Dude, BF is a casual game
#battlefield-legacy-titles
stoic breach
stoic breach
Casuals buy AAA and play it
brave coral
It’s yeah a bit bootleg but it can work with a few changes
languid sinew
next you get aimbot
stoic breach
Lmao @ people who think red markers above enemies heads = less skill
untold wraith
🤔 my message was deleted.
stoic breach
You still have to, you know, shoot at people
languid sinew
its less skill for sure
stoic breach
Besides, the Sniper role for Recon already gives you markers if you tag someone
Now the game will do it for you across every class
brave coral
My only issue is the cone of effect (seem like you don’t have to be looking that close to people to spot) and it being completely instant
stoic breach
At 15m you have to be looking directly at someone
Below 7m is where peripheral markers appear
languid sinew
I liked the changes to the spotting system and now they are doing a 360 all the way back to older battlefields
brave coral
That’s not what it looked like in the video
Nah it’s really not going back to old spotting systems
stoic breach
The new spotting system sucked anyways
languid sinew
well you have much more spotting than in the beginning of bf v with the massive flare b uffs
brave coral
It’s local to the player
solid hinge
if you're looking at someone under 15 metres you should be able to see them
stoic breach
Flares didnt get buffed
languid sinew
I know that its local
gray glade
if this works, it would help ppl see people hiding in bushes and stuff
brave coral
Yeah that’s the main thing
solid hinge
if someone is in your peripheral under 7 metres then they should be in a position to kill you
stoic breach
Yeah, its anti-camper for sure
languid sinew
flares did not get buffed? wtf they got increased radius and time some time ago
brave coral
I do like it for being able to instantly identify if it’s a dead body or a guy camping
stoic breach
Yeah, the radius got increased to BF1 size
stoic breach
The old radius was pissing distance
brave coral
I’ve literally run over what I assumed were dead bodies then got shredded by an MG42 or whatever
solid hinge
no longer will I think it's going to be a fucking dead body
when it's actually a person
stoic breach
The old radius is what happens if you fuck up while shooting a flare
solid hinge
hello
thank fuck
hey guys im a bit new to the game how does the point system in conquest work
how can you dislike this spotting change honestly
i played battlefield 1
stoic breach
Yeah cause in BFV, dead bodies move more than prone bodies
solid hinge
and im used to it going to a 1000
brave coral
It’s mainly that, and people in rubble/bushes
@solid hinge it’s basically the bf1 system. Held flags reduce the enemy ticket counter, as do ‘full kills’ (ie they go back to respawn screen)
The number of tickets varies per map as well
stoic breach
Yeah, the spotting change is a buff to stealth as well
languid sinew
also a casual solution
stoic breach
And if you try to stealth within 7m of someone you deserve to get shot at
brave coral
That’s fair to be confused lol, especially if you’re used to bf1 conquest as they are a little different
solid hinge
yeah
brave coral
The flares don’t make a sound?
solid hinge
hard to tell flare radius though
stoic breach
Yeah you can definitely distinguish between a flare and a gunshot right
brave coral
Past like the initial firing
stoic breach
In the middle of a firefight
stoic breach
Also "looking up" is a stupid argument
solid hinge
Supply stations are on every map
solid hinge
Looking up on console takes time
brave coral
I like the spot notification though, it’s subtle enough to not be a distraction/super obvious but nice player feedback
stoic breach
Not even that
solid hinge
Shooting a flare down on console is a pain in the ass
brave coral
If that makes sense
stoic breach
It lowers your awareness if you pay attention to flares instead of enemies
brave coral
People still won’t shoot down flares lol
jovial ether
Me don't like 3d spotting. I actually thought it was cool, until yesterday I had to hide in the bushes from a tank on Pacific storm
languid sinew
well then ppl are pepegas if they pay no attention to flares and deserve to get killed
sick pendant
I need some help
brave coral
Wym? People do that anyway
stoic breach
Ironically, the spotting change will tell you when you get spotted
brave coral
Idk if they’re doing it for the local auto spot
sick pendant
on battlelog, it doesnt show that I have any emblems but in game it does
solid hinge
Do u get any advantage by using planes in 1st p or it just to zoom in?
brave coral
Seems like it could get spammy
stoic breach
Hopefully local spot gives a notification
Any kind of spot should give a notification
jovial ether
I hate local spot. Fuck local spot
solid hinge
when do you all think the next battlefield will come out
stoic breach
Since its a 15m spot, you arent going to get tagged from years away
brave coral
There’s no statistical advatange but visually you can zoom in and stuff @solid hinge
solid hinge
ok
stoic breach
I think the local spot should take 0.5 to 0.8 seconds to appear, but should persist after you look away
sick pendant
If I showed you guys my emblems, I would literally get an instant ban
brave coral
They literally said Fiscal Year 2022
stoic breach
Oh yea, if theres a local spot notification, it will actually tip you off if theres an enemy within 15m of you
brave coral
Which means April 21 - March 22
stoic breach
How about that counter-intel amirite
brave coral
Agreed @stoic breach
brave coral
Tbh I’m growing o like the sound of it
stoic breach
The spot change opens up alot of avenues for intel/counter-intel
solid hinge
They wont implent it like it was in the video i hope
wicked pilot
Hopefully they keep the Lunge Mine accurate and it kills the person using it rather than taking only 20 health
brave coral
@jovial ether no it’s October 2021 unless they pull a Hardline and release it in Spring
Lunge Mine is being pushed back because it has issues detonating
jovial ether
@brave coral dude...they literally said Fiscal year 2021. Which is from October 2020 to September 2021
brave coral
It looked a little powerful from that clip imo
solid hinge
I wish they released battlefield games in springs
I hope the close range spotting only activate if u use the spot comand
lunge mine didnt always kill the person using it
stoic breach
Now if BFV was to add minimap spot when firing, and make it so that sprinting made it disappear faster that would be really nice
solid hinge
So only ppl who actually can play the game can use it
brave coral
Minimap spit while firing isn’t great imo
solid hinge
And not just a noobs helping tool
wicked pilot
The Lunge mine was a suicide technique, no it didn't always kill the person using it but that was the one unlucky bastard
stoic breach
Minimap spot on delay would be ideal
Like a 0.5 delay where it pings the last location you fired
brave coral
It can work, but I prefer how they did it in battlefront 2 where the radar shows the general direction of gunfire and the general proximity
stoic breach
Bipodders that dont move would get pinged regardless
wicked pilot
^
solid hinge
So they're gonna ruin both tank and plane gameplay in the next update
stoic breach
That might work as well
solid hinge
Sound nice
stoic breach
Honestly, just player awareness in general is a great start
brave coral
What are they doing to tanks and planes?
wicked pilot
How are they ruining planes
solid hinge
Lunge mines are gonna get added and the flieger is getting a buff
languid sinew
if you mean the fliegerfaust its getting nerfed
wicked pilot
Flieger is being tuned
brave coral
I think the flieger change sounds quite good
solid hinge
Seems my friend lied to me
fliegerfaust is getting slight ease of use nerfs but a bunch of buffs
wicked pilot
They are increasing the range on the Flieger but they are nerfing the fire rate and the damage
solid hinge
it's range is increasing
i don't think they're nerfing fire rate, I think they're reducing the full damage explosion radius
brave coral
Idk
solid hinge
Currently it does full damage within 7 metres
wicked pilot
They are nerfing FR
stoic breach
Also giving tanks more armour lets them camp more effectively
shy badger
I didn't see anything about nerfing the panzerfaust
brave coral
PF needs a ‘perfect hit’ to deal max damage
shy badger
Rather 'improving' the ricochet system
solid hinge
I think they're trying to change the angle modifier on tanks
sleek trail
the times i do 90 dmg to a plane a cant get a follow up shot far/fast enough tho
languid sinew
they buff the armour of tanks to encourage ptfo gameplay🤣
brave coral
I think it’s more a tank change tbh
solid hinge
rather than a straight up armour buff
prime pine
So apparently recoil adjustments and fire rate increase for the new ttk?.... Heads up dice. Should of made those changes earlier and slowly over time.
stoic breach
PTFO by sitting at the back of the map and shelling
wicked pilot
I hate tanks. Like Ill be trying to rush a flag and then BOOM im dead to the tank on the hill hiding behind grass
languid sinew
as if ppl would suddently attack objective instead of camping on the map edge
brave coral
But I haven’t heard anything about PIAT so that’s just going to make the PF even more redundant lmao
stoic breach
Yeah
wicked pilot
@prime pine as if the TTK wasn't already too long
brave coral
Only thing PF has is range and velocity
solid hinge
We'll have to wait to see if they change the launchers
brave coral
Has no splash so can’t anti-infy
Has to get a direct hit on tanks whereas PIAT just deals basically a flat damage
sleek trail
i actually think the TTK is perfect, not to fast or slow just really good
jovial ether
Wait till the changes come bro
I am the one of few that actually have good hopes for the 5.2 update
sleek trail
@jovial ether convince me
languid sinew
what you mean by waiting they increase the bullets you need to hit to kill someone on range
languid sinew
yes
jovial ether
It's not in a good spot
stoic breach
It is
hoary meteor
hi
stoic breach
You dont have to feel compelled to just snipe people right now
You will when TTK0.25 drops
vast thistle
every round of breakthrough i play nobody advances to a flag.
jovial ether
OMFG these Bfv players...
"Assault is too OP, balance their weapons bla bla bla"
*Dice making full weapon rebalancing *
"OMG stop ruining the game, it is perfect as is"
sleek trail
they should just adress the MMg's and fast fire smg's specifically
jovial ether
This is why i love Battlefield players, you can literally rant about anything. In two days we went from "Assault is too OP, their weapons are too OP" to "The Weapons right now are in a perfect spot"
like for crying out loud, make up your goddamn mind
stoic breach
Assault is barely OP
sleek trail
who's complaining about assault?
jovial ether
The past 3 days people were complaining about Assault being too OP
jovial ether
here
stoic breach
vast thistle
the last year not just last 3 days
jovial ether
Well yeah, im just saying that 3 days ago, before DICE announced the weapon changes, everyone was like "Nerf Assault weapons" bla bla bla
They kinda are op though. A all rounded class, a jack of all trades basically
stoic breach
Well the new TTK is going to nerf all weapons
jovial ether
Yeah
stoic breach
Jack of all trades is what assault should be
jovial ether
is it though?
stoic breach
Why would you run around with the majority of the team as medics or snipers
Assault needs to be well rounded everyman class
feral grotto
if it was jack of all trades it would be the only class you see
solid hinge
The semis are less Jack of all trades and more shit on everything at range and still manage to perform up close
sleek trail
i shit on assault even with slow smg's
jovial ether
I find it hard to believe that a Class that should be in the front lines should be able to snipe you across the map with a M1 Garand....and yes, that did happen to me
feral grotto
if you stand still of course you'll get sniped.. even with a smg
stoic breach
Easy fix is to give medics ARs and assault SMGs
Let SARs outclass ARs at range and SMGs outclass ARs in CQB
sleek trail
no
flat matrix
@jovial ether im even snipin with sturmgewehr lol do u wont chose
feral grotto
they should leave it as it is now..
sleek trail
not the bf4 balance again lol
stoic breach
Instead of medics being the most frontline fighter possible
Cause what you want is MEDICS rushing the enemy team
flat matrix
mnk, cronus, xim ppl will snipe u with anything
stoic breach
And not assault players
feral grotto
classes are great as they are now.. and this nerf that coming is stupid
jovial ether
Now, you see? now you are ranting about weapons being over powered at longer ranges, especially Assault weapons 😄
You are misunderstanding one thing, It is not JUST a TTK change, they are reworking recoil, accuracy and probably even spread. They are doing this to make each weapon stand a chance against other weapons. Because the META right now, the top 3 weapons, are assault weapons
stoic breach
The meta is really dumb
Meta is StG44 cause its braindead easy to aim with, not cause its actually good
flat matrix
@jovial ether which 3 weapons?
rotund totem
hey guys how do I uncap my fps from 60? Ik it can go higher but it wont
stoic breach
M1907 can out-DPS it at range but people are too lazy to even attempt to control it's recoil
feral grotto
@rotund totem check if vsync is on or frame limiter is set
jovial ether
StG44, M1907 and one Semi that i keep forgetting the name of
feral grotto
m1907 isn't top 3
stoic breach
M1907 isnt meta
sleek trail
not on console lol
flat matrix
maybe try to play scrims not pubs guys cuz there no such shit like m1 garand
stoic breach
StG44 is meta cause it's recoil is easy
Yeah man, play scrims to get rid of the fun weapons
SARs arent OP
They perform as they should
flat matrix
fun weapons xddd
stoic breach
If recon keeps getting out-sniped, its an indication that recon weapons need improvements
Like faster recoil decrease for SLRs
jovial ether
OH! the M1A1 carabine, yeah that shit is what is killing me the most from range
feral grotto
if a recon getting out sniped it doesn't mean assault weapons are op
jovial ether
Im not saying range as in 300m yknow?
stoic breach
Fair enough
flat matrix
When im lookin ať this convo u guys have never met like cronus player lol
fleet bloom
jesus christ, i wonder what the M1907 is going to be like
solid hinge
It's dinky but it's still a semi that can dump at tange
stoic breach
Who cares about cronus players
It really doesnt matter
M1907 is gonna get fucked so hard
stoic breach
I've played with one
I have a school friend who does it
He doesnt annihilate the enemy team every single game with 100% accuracy or anything
And rapid fire doesnt really matter that much
flat matrix
stoic breach
Its not like you can rapid fire with a low rate of fire weapon
Its not gonna change much
solid hinge
Too much players rely on rapid fire lol
stoic breach
Yeah, rapid fire isnt gonna change much, you can only macro rapid fire to the maximum fire rate of a weapon
solid hinge
Garand with heavy load
36 damage body shot at range 😄 😄
jovial ether
Makes other semis obsolete tbh
stoic breach
Not really
solid hinge
it reminds me of the Mondragon Sniper from BF1
jovial ether
Well what other semi would you pick over the garand?
stoic breach
Gewehr 1-5/Turner are still better stompers than M1 Garand at close/mid range
31/20 rounds over M1 Garand's 8
Gewehr 43 can still reload faster
raw jewel
@solid hinge how do you have a 68 kill streak
stoic breach
AgM42 is still more accurate at range
raw jewel
What absolute frickery did you do
stoic breach
M1 Garand is just a good ranged melter
jovial ether
never got killed with a AgM42 🤔
Maybe like once, literally xD
solid hinge
with heavy load the garand has a fairly big vertical kick
@raw jewel Idk just not dying
stoic breach
AgM42 is like one of the most underrated weapons in the game
Along with MAB probably
solid hinge
I don’t even remember how I got the killstreak
stoic breach
AgM42 is a better sniper than any recon bolt action
Because it has no damage dropoff
jovial ether
If it is. That is just bullshit for assault to have it
stoic breach
Maybe thats a sign that recon bolt actions need buffs
And hint: its not to make them better at headshotting
solid hinge
(yes it is)
stoic breach
Because even hitscan headshots would be worth less than 450rpm 2HSK AgM42
solid hinge
hitscan unrevivable headshots
stoic breach
Although hitscan would be a start
solid hinge
unf
stoic breach
Sweetspot and unrevivable headshot
jovial ether
You can somewhat hitscan with a Jorgsen though
solid hinge
begone sweetspot lover
stoic breach
Or slow ADS, BFG snipers
jovial ether
Hate sweetspots
stoic breach
Krag muzzle velocity is still slower than stock Mas44
Krag is 750m/s, Mas is around 800
jovial ether
Like sure, at 60m it's a one shot kill, but from 5m you deal 45dmg? Like by what fucking laws? XF
solid hinge
The krag has slower bullets than every single LMG, MM, semi auto and the ZH/selb 1906
krag is 700m/s
stoic breach
It stops bolt actions from being ghetto shotguns
Shotguns should be killing under 20m, not bolt actions
jovial ether
That is broken logic
stoic breach
Its not
solid hinge
make bolties good at long range and headshots
stoic breach
You pick a bolt to snipe, you want CQB power, you pick a different gun
solid hinge
give AT rifles the sweetspot niche
stoic breach
AT Rifles should be gadgets
idle breach
making guns more specialised in specific intended range would make newbies life more painful
brave coral
I think sweetspot is a good thing
jovial ether
Lol no
stoic breach
Having them as BFGs would be nice, but you cant buff AT damage
Oh yeah, suppression could stop you from being killed by a sweetspot
brave coral
CTE just needs to be in this game so they can experiment with this sort of stuff
stoic breach
You could suppress a sniper and throw his aim off so you didnt get OHK
idle breach
new players don't fucking know what gun to use in specific situation and where should the position themselves when they choose some gun and sorta things
all the TTK change would make, except for old players is just massive noob-raping
stoic breach
Well every gun does have a specialised range sort of
idle breach
at least in current state noobs can just spray and pray
brave coral
The bolts in this game (on top of needing a buff across the board) are all very similar
stoic breach
TTK0.25 just makes every weapon mediocre at CQB and bad at mid range
brave coral
Or rather there’s sort of 2 archetypes of them
jovial ether
If you want sweetspot mechanics and suppression mechanics....go play BF1
idle breach
imagine being a new player like
brave coral
But within those there’s very little variation
solid hinge
If you want sweetspot mechanics and suppression mechanics....go play BF1I do play BF1 😄
stoic breach
How about having good weapon balance in the current game
idle breach
you don't know shit. you choose the gun by random order or just unlocked things
or by looks
stoic breach
Yeah
solid hinge
I'm new and I use Garand 🤷
idle breach
and they're in a marita
stoic breach
Yeah, BF needs the BF1 weapon range chart back
idle breach
and oldbies are all having shotgun
jovial ether
I mean, they have no choice, they only have the StG44 to choose from at the start xD
stoic breach
StG1-5 is the starter gun
jovial ether
not the 44?
solid hinge
BF1 medic guns felt really nice
stoic breach
No
brave coral
No
idle breach
yeah STG1-5 is the lvl0 gun
jovial ether
always thought it was the 44 🤔
idle breach
ir unlocks like STG1-5, G43 then STG44
brave coral
44 was the lvl 0 gun in the Beta
idle breach
yeah it was beta
stoic breach
Yeah BF1 medic was good because they had decent midrange, but they couldn't rush
jovial ether
aaaa right, beta
brave coral
Nah the third Assault gun is the M1907
stoic breach
Medics couldnt rush like idiots in BF1 because no SMG
idle breach
oh right m1907
brave coral
StG is 5th I think
idle breach
yeah this patch would make newbs more painful
jovial ether
i rushed as a Medic in BF1 lol xD
stoic breach
So it kept medic as a midrange support role, and if you wanted to get closer, you chose a better gun for it
idle breach
they fucking got STG1-5, yeah maybe could do something with that gun but
oldbies would just poke them from long range anyway
stoic breach
Yeah did you rush with M1907?
idle breach
and they got a shitty sten
stoic breach
Cause that was one of the only specific rush guns for medic
idle breach
and bunch of lvl0 gun
bunch of lvl0 vehicles
instantly deleted by dynamites and fliegerfausts
jovial ether
Like, you guys want a sweetspot mechanic? Dont you sometimes rant about snipers camping lol? xD Sweetspot mechanics will just strengthen that
brave coral
This guy just doesn’t know what sweet spot is lmao
stoic breach
Aggressive snipers can take advantage of closer range sweetspots
jovial ether
And sweetspot mechanics will keep them at a certain range
stoic breach
Like the Vetterli with a 20m sweetspot
brave coral
Like give the Enfield a 30m sweet spot
stoic breach
That was a super rush-heavy weapon
fleet bloom
what's a sweet spot ? i never played BF1 past the beta
brave coral
Suddenly it’s a very aggressive rifle
jovial ether
@fleet bloom that at a certain distance a sniper rifle one shot kills to the chest
stoic breach
Yeah
brave coral
Sweet spot is a short range where you get OHK bodyshots with a bolt rifle
brave coral
I’d also like a headshot sweet spot for Recon SLRs
stoic breach
Yeah that would be fantastic
jovial ether
I would keep recon as is
brave coral
Then you can make something like the RSC worth using
stoic breach
Let SLRs OHSK because they're better suited for it
jovial ether
requires more skillz
brave coral
‘Skill’
stoic breach
It doesnt require skill to play as recon
brave coral
fleet bloom
that seems kind of silly i guess ? 1 shot body shots are annoying to be killed by
stoic breach
Bolt actions are terrible weapons
brave coral
It’s like luck based
stoic breach
There are literally better weapons you can use to headshot people
jovial ether
Bolties are good weapons if you know how to use them smh
brave coral
They’re literally not
stoic breach
There are weapons in the game that do bolt action's job better
jovial ether
Are you guys recon players?
stoic breach
I played every class
brave coral
And I am also a Medic player
prime pine
brave coral
And funnily enough I actually have a better mid range sniper as Medic than I do as Recon
prime pine
I CANT
jovial ether
@brave coral so you are somewhat like me. I main Medic, and recon is my secondary
stoic breach
Yeah, bolt carbines are better at headshots than bolt actions are
stoic breach
So the only solution is to make bolt actions better at bodyshots
jovial ether
But the difference being, i dont mid range snipe
prime pine
Im 200 but cant play cause my internet has slowed down
brave coral
The Jungle Carbine is just objectively better than the standard Lee Enfield
stoic breach
Yeah
fleet bloom
make bolt rifles do like 80 damage and give them straight bolt spec like BF4 and they'd be fine tbh
brave coral
It can clip reload with a scope on
sonic rampart
How long does it take to level up when you’re that high @prime pine ?
stoic breach
In BF1, you'd have better close range bolts as well
brave coral
It can rechamber a round while ADS
stoic breach
Like Vetterli, Lee Enfield, Gewehr 95
brave coral
It has better velocity
stoic breach
80 damage would still suck
sonic rampart
Wait
stoic breach
Assist-count-as-kill machines
jovial ether
I think recon is in a good place. Not as annoying, and to really dominate as a recon you need a huge amount of experience (Stodeh is a amazing example of this)
sonic rampart
Doesnt it take more exp every time?
brave coral
Medic Carbines and Recon SLRs should be the headshot focus weapons, Bolts should be good even with body shots
fleet bloom
ya and it sucks to be 1 shot body shot too 🤷
stoic breach
Stodeh plays better using other weapons
He just uses bolt actions to clip with and cause they're fun
He knows how bad they are
OHK isnt overpowered
sonic rampart
Its good in the right hands
jovial ether
But he still dominates the scoreboards with sniper rifles 🤷♂️
stoic breach
Because hes good at it
solid hinge
You can dominate with anything
sonic rampart
But give them another gun and they would be better
stoic breach
Not because they're good weapons
solid hinge
Raptor dominated a match before with melee
brave coral
So you’re saying Recon should only be able to do well if you’re insanely good with it, whereas you can just grab an AR and top the leaderboard EZ
sonic rampart
Except for the liberator
solid hinge
Doesn't mean it's good
stoic breach
You can dominate using the MkVI if you felt like it
brave coral
I mean
stoic breach
Bolt actions arent skill cannons because there are better headshot weapons in the game
jovial ether
So you want to make bolties as braindead as assault weapons?
solid hinge
I've had matches on devastation where 95% of my kills were revolver and throwing knives
brave coral
Stodeh has montages of him just ruining people with the revolver
stoic breach
Theres a reason assault weapons are so deadly
Because they're both easy and have high KPM
brave coral
What do you have against Recon actually being able to be effective?
stoic breach
They literally cannot be skill cannons
jovial ether
With the 5.2 update i think that Bolties will be in a better place
sonic rampart
Who shoot headshot after headshot
jovial ether
me
sonic rampart
Thats bullshit
stoic breach
Because there are better weapons than bolt actions you can headshot with
How do you not understand
solid hinge
even if you land headshot after headshot you're only killing at average speed
stoic breach
There are better headshot weapons than bolt actions
sonic rampart
How do YOU not understand lmao
brave coral
Bolts are unnecessary skill cannons because there are other weapons which can do the ‘skill cannoning’ way easier
sonic rampart
Doesnt mean there is no skill in sniping
stoic breach
Dude, its not a skill cannon because they cant even do their specific job as well as other guns
prime pine
I can bren, aim for the head and make be more effective overall
gray glade
all weapons that 1 shot at longer ranges, like bolt actions or trombone will be in a better play after the rebalance
cuz dice nerfed the range of all other weapons
stoic breach
Madsen is a better sniper than bolt actions
sonic rampart
^ ye lmao
stoic breach
Because of the KPM
solid hinge
even with nerfed range on other weapons for the sniper rifles to be so slow is silly
stoic breach
And if you can hit Madsen headshots, its more powerful than a bolt action too
sonic rampart
solid hinge
every single support weapon asides from the shotguns has a higher bullet velocity than every bolt action
stoic breach
You can be the best sniper in the world, and it still wont be as good as just using a bolt carbine
solid hinge
every single semi has a higher bullet velocity than every bolt action
sonic rampart
Honestly if there is a player who headshots people back to back, and you call that no skill
jovial ether
Skill is playing with the StG44
Skill is playing with unbalanced OP weapons
Skill is playing with said OP weapons and then ranting about how we dont need the 5.2 rebalancing patch
stoic breach
What are you even talking about
sonic rampart
If a gun is bad, it requires more skill to be effective with it
solid hinge
Landing headshot after headshot is skilled, but it doesnt make the gun a skill cannon
stoic breach
Whats an "OP" weapon in BFV
solid hinge
It makes the player skilled
sonic rampart
Liberator
jovial ether
Well we already said this xD
solid hinge
Closest thing to a skill cannon is probably AGM or model 8
stoic breach
Do you actually think the StG44 is OP
jovial ether
and you are literally spewing out weapons that outclass snipers in their own category xD
thorn oracle
stoic breach
If every class has a way to outclass bolt actions, thats a clear indication that bolts arent good enough
brave coral
Model 8 is a bit of a skill cannon yeah
solid hinge
Model 8 is more skill cannon after they buffed it
stoic breach
Even weapons in the Recon's own kit can outplay bolt actions
solid hinge
225rpm 2btk up to 50 metres is fancy
brave coral
You can body people but it’s risky because you have to be up lose to be effective and you have 5 rounds
jovial ether
If every class has a way to outclass a bolt action, that also means that those weapons are overpowered compared to other weapons
solid hinge
when you only have a 5 mag
brave coral
But you’re not complaining about these ‘OP’ weapons
jovial ether
So they can do a better job that a weapon created for that certain job 🤔
brave coral
You’re literally just trying to keep bolts neutered lmao
solid hinge
the bolts are objectively the weakest weapon class currently in the game
stoic breach
AgM42 isnt a close range stomper, it has 10 round mag vs Gewehr 1-5's 31, but because it can snipe better than bolt actions, its OP
sonic rampart
No..
stoic breach
OP is when the KPM of the weapon far surpasses other weapons by a significant margin
sonic rampart
Dont bring back sweetspot
brave coral
Why not
stoic breach
A 31 round magazine RSC SMG would be more "overpowered" than the Boys AT ever could be
brave coral
Give me a good reason
sonic rampart
Because its bad 
jovial ether
That would overpower snipers like the Gewehr
sonic rampart
Keep it in bf1
brave coral
I said a good reason
stoic breach
Being better at sniping doesnt mean its overpowered
brave coral
“I don’t like it” isn’t a good reason
sonic rampart
Im not saying its OP
solid hinge
personally I don't think they should get sweetspot while the AT rifles exist and I don't want the AT rifles to be gadgets
stoic breach
Legit, the Boys AT being OHK wouldnt be nearly as powerful compared to a 70m 4BTK StG44
jovial ether
If you bring sweetspot mechanics, fast firing sniper rifles will then become overpowered and other sniper rifles will become obsolete because they wont be able to keep up with the fire rate, thus making it pointless to choose
stoic breach
No
jovial ether
yes
brave coral
No they literally don’t
sonic rampart
Yes
stoic breach
Because not every sniper has the same sweetspot
brave coral
Because you have different sweet spot ranges for different guns
stoic breach
A faster firing sniper could just have a worse sweetspot than a slower one
jovial ether
OK, so lets say Gewehr has a 60m sweetspot, and the jorgsen being a long range sniper has a sweetspot of 120m. Which one would you be choosing most of the time?
brave coral
So you can make the Enfield a good close range sniper, and the Krag can be OHK at long range
stoic breach
Well you'd pick one for whatever situation and distance you want to use it at
sonic rampart
Sweetspot is just to make it easier to snipe honestly
brave coral
Wow it’s almost as if the sweet spot mechanics makes choosing a bolt rifle more important
stoic breach
Easy sniping isnt a bad thing
brave coral
If I had Regular I would post ‘that’s the point, sergeant’
It just makes knowing the weapons and sticking to their range more important
jovial ether
As if you dont do that right now
you wont pick the gewehr over the jorgsen for long range sniping any ways
brave coral
Bruh i thought you said you played Recon
brave coral
You can literally use any bolt rifle equally ‘well’ for mid range sniping
stoic breach
Theres other factors like bullet drag, rate of fire, magazine size
stoic breach
Vetterili had 20m sweetspot for aggressive sniping, but you had to give up ammo and speed
bleak marlin
stoic breach
Vetterli wasnt popular at all despite how powerful it was
solid hinge
tfw 600m/s m95 with chunky damage and lightened stock and 700m/s krag with sexy reload
sonic rampart
Sweetspot doesnt require very much skill Thats why I dont like it
stoic breach
Who cares
jovial ether
OMG just realized im arguing with Playstation and Xbox players
sonic rampart
I do
stoic breach
Omg pc masterrace xdddddd
brave coral
As if playing any other class requires more skill than Recon
stoic breach
Nice well thought-out argument
solid hinge
Oh yo just gave the spotting changes a wee lookie and man that doesnt actually seem too bad
jovial ether
Well as you know, playing on PC differs from playing on console
sonic rampart
Well whats your Well thought out argument
stoic breach
Recon requires more effort to use weapons that are still worse than other classes
sonic rampart
Why would Sweetspot be sooo great
brave coral
Perhaps read the discussion we were just having
solid hinge
As long as they take the soldier glow out when they add it in im fine with it
amplify glow
give everyone heat vision
lmao are use rly arguing over bolts again
sonic rampart
jovial ether
ok, im gonna rework my argument. On Consoles, a sweetspot mechanic would work better than on PC
jovial ether
And then we have these guys ^
solid hinge
I'll show you noob
sonic rampart
solid hinge
made for lazy noobs who have high colestrol
stoic breach
Its takes more effort to land headshots in a game where it takes less effort to be more lethal with other weapons
jovial ether
"lazy noobs" xD
solid hinge
it takes no effort to sit 300m from every objective and take pot shots at other recons doing the exact same
thats why half of every team is still recons
stoic breach
The folly of headshot heroes
stoic breach
Teams are mostly recon because of the map
jovial ether
OOF, that is just some of the Jorgsen players
stoic breach
You dont see 64 recons on Devastation or Arras
jovial ether
You guys on consoles really have such a influx of recons per game? xD
brave coral
Tfw your entire argument for not adding something is ‘pc good console bad’
jovial ether
No its not entirely true
solid hinge
what is his argument
jovial ether
im just saying that playing on console differs from playing on PC
stoic breach
Making sniping easier isnt a bad thing because the rest of the weapons are easy enough to use
solid hinge
enlighten me lego yoda
stoic breach
Its just logical balance based on DPS and KPM
sonic rampart
Imo sweetspots just lower the skill-ceiling
solid hinge
No razen
brave coral
You literally said ‘oh you’re a console player’ as if that invalidates the argument
sonic rampart
Thats my opinion
stoic breach
And the fact that every other weapon only needs bodyshots
solid hinge
Dif is other weapons dont have the option to camp 300m from the obj
stoic breach
Whereas bolt actions need headshots to be effective
jovial ether
@brave coral it somewhat invalidates my personal arguments that i make
brave coral
stoic breach
When there are literally weapons in the game that can headshot better than bolt actions can
sonic rampart
So what
solid hinge
razen so by ur logic cuz piat can one shot the thompson should too?
sonic rampart
^
solid hinge
ok then
glad knot
these guy who fucking use heavy bomber plane in BF1... it just feel a little disgusting
solid hinge
so by ur logic cuz the m30 drilling can one shot then the thompson should too?
brave coral
Literally do not bring ‘it makes sniping less skilled’ into a discussion about bfv sniping is the hardest playstyle to do effectively lmao
sonic rampart
Compare a diff type gun with a sniper excellent argument
glad knot
i don't like new spotting system
solid hinge
Literally nothing hard about sniping in bf5
glad knot
for BF5
solid hinge
Its the easiest its prolly ever been
stoic breach
Well the Thompson is more lethal than the Drilling anyways but thats besides the point
Theres no disparity between how quickly those weapons kills
glad knot
its like you can't take advantage of corner or hiding in the dark anymore
when enemy can just spot you after they see you
brave coral
New spot system is pretty good imo
sonic rampart
After they dont see you but they see the red dot*
solid hinge
Agreed
glad knot
well i guess depends on the people
brave coral
Makes it much harder to just corner camp or lie in bushes
jovial ether
@brave coral PC and Consoles have different learning curves, i should know, ive started off playing FPS games on Consoles, Golden Eye, CoD: MW1/2, CoD: WW2, BF3/4. And it is harder to be a aggressive sniper on consoles than it is on PC, it really is harder. So in my personal opinion, a Sweetspot mechanic would be better than it would be on PC. 🤷♂️
solid hinge
Its the easiest its prolly ever beenmax scope is 6x though
glad knot
but well i don't really like it
solid hinge
Tbh only ppl who wouldnt like the new spotting system are ppl who need dark corners as a crutch
glad knot
well yea
stoic breach
Yeah its great how you the new spot system lets you know when you're inside a flare radius
solid hinge
Like idrgaf cuz I can see everybody anyway
stoic breach
Clear player communication and danger assessment
solid hinge
Flares should get deleted tho
jovial ether
No?
solid hinge
If they remove flares then they can buff bolts
glad knot
ok that a pretty big word for me
stoic breach
Uhhh you still have to actually shoot at whoever is spotted
jovial ether
OMG its to easy to shoot a flare!
sonic rampart
I dont use dark corners, but if I flank and people see me cause they see a red dot when I walk in their sight it will annoy me
solid hinge
I always shoot flare at floor
stoic breach
That part doesnt change
solid hinge
the spotting scope should be the way for recon to spot
glad knot
I remember in bf1 when i shoot the spotted enemy
glad knot
and it actually land a headshot even a smoke screen is ahead of me
jovial ether
I hate people that want the game to be too realistic
solid hinge
me too
glad knot
well depends on people who like it
jovial ether
well you are one of them
stoic breach
Spotting scope lets people sit ages away to do their job
solid hinge
especially the wehraboos who want ss uniforms
brave coral
You realise the new spotting is local and takes effect at like under 15 m
solid hinge
lol how am I one of them
glad knot
it can be that realistic like [Insert game here]
stoic breach
You still actually need to be close enough to enemies to use a spot flare
solid hinge
Not rly
stoic breach
You cant sit 80m away and use it effectively
brave coral
And smoke is being made more effective at in-spotting you
glad knot
but we all gotta accept that if we don't want game to be too realistic we are all still have casual playstyle for a bit
jovial ether
Well you want flares removed, and keep a spotting scope because that is how it should be 🤷♂️
I like the spotting flare, and it is actually one of the not many gadgets that helps pushing a point
north ravine
why is 3d spotting coming back
sonic rampart
^
north ravine
they are making the game worse 
jovial ether
Without spotting flares, some maps would be nearly impossible to push tbh
glad knot
Bravo six
solid hinge
@jovial ether hows that in any way related to wanting realism tho, I just want a balance change so the 16 recons on the enemy team couldnt give them UAV endlessly
vast thistle
flare allows u too be mobile.
glad knot
going dark
solid hinge
it's only for people up close and it'll only make a difference for people pretending to be corpses
sonic rampart
Sad
north ravine
yea but that ruins the mmg fun
sonic rampart
No moments of clutch
solid hinge
revenge
glad knot
@north ravine who say u wanna crouch with MMG anyways
solid hinge
Shooting flares gives you points now
If without having borderline wallhacks on some maps is impossible to play for u then I think ur just bad
so expect them to get shot down
north ravine
MMG are supposed to be played like that
don’t come at me with mmg campers are annoying
stoic breach
Thats really epic, you still need to actually shoot at people to make use of a flare
glad knot
@stoic breach what happen when the flare hit a person and he run away
will the flare just follow him xd
solid hinge
does anyone rly like mmg apart from the person using it
north ravine
@solid hinge annoying but was ww2 fair?
stoic breach
Theres no problem with giving your team information
jovial ether
@solid hinge i dont see a problem with flares. The problem is that players dont pay attention to flares, because the enemy can simply shoot down a flying flare...and now with the spotting text, flares will be balanced
solid hinge
mmgs are lovely stationary targets
sonic rampart
stoic breach
The only problem with flares was that you didnt know when you got spotted
solid hinge
@stoic breach I agree with that statment but its a problem when the info is very easily accessible at all times. Mw2 for example it took 3 kills to get UAV
jovial ether
This is not CoD, BFV is not a arcade shooter
stoic breach
Information should be easily accessible if you can die so quickly
solid hinge
u should earn that info rather than it be handed to u
sonic rampart
@solid hinge dont forget that buttheading mmg prone players is a satisfying thing
solid hinge
to be fair 3 kills is not that much to get UAV
like spotting scope is perfect but its not used cuz of flares
glad knot
Air assault
Naval Combat
would be a good for BF5
solid hinge
tfw butthead doesn't kill until the end of the animation
sonic rampart
^
stoic breach
Spotting scope is borderline useless because you cant help anyone with it
north ravine
air assault would be good
tame cargo
hey did they fix the completing weapon quests in coop bug or can i still cheese it ?
brave coral
It wasn’t a bug
sonic rampart
Tfw a melee animation kills as soon as you stab
vast thistle
but bfv is an arace shooter
solid hinge
@stoic breach you can but you just need to get into a spot and RECON
stoic breach
Why should randoms care about some recon using a spotting scope if they can be provided accurate information with a flare
tame cargo
so its still there ?
sonic rampart
solid hinge
@stoic breach that’s exactly my point
stoic breach
Spotting scope is useless without 3D spot anyways
brave coral
Naruto run at the enemy and slam your head into them
solid hinge
removing the flare would be so good
stoic breach
The problem is communication with random players the majority of the time
Spotting scope is good enough with people on mic
jovial ether
Removing the flare would actually make the recon less usable as a class...
stoic breach
But not everyone has a party to play with
solid hinge
what the hell r u on about
brave coral
Removing the flare nerfs Recon even more
glad knot
The Pride Of Nation
A Beast Made Of Steel
solid hinge
u dont need a mic to use the spotting scope
stoic breach
So they need to rely on accessible information that blueberries can provide
brave coral
Hey thinking about it
solid hinge
have u actually ever even used it razen
brave coral
If you make some bolt rifles have a long range sweet spot
brave coral
Like 80+ metres
solid hinge
U seem like u have not cuz u have no clue what ur on about
brave coral
So the flare is out of range
stoic breach
Right
solid hinge
in Bad Company 2 recon balls only showed an enemy on radar when they moved
I think that was more balanced
in recent games it shows stationary enemies also, instead of only moving ones
north ravine
bolts should be one shot kill from the chest above
brave coral
Then it makes the scope more attractive
solid hinge
@solid hinge thatd be a nice change as well
stoic breach
If a random blueberry uses a spotting scope, and makes a tag, how do you know if that information is relevant to you
solid hinge
bolts should be one shot kill from the chest aboveacross all distance?
very overpowered
brave coral
Wow
stoic breach
A random using a spot scope could've made a tag 100m away, are you suddenly inclined to make use of a 100m tag without context
solid hinge
chest shots are big target to hit
brave coral
Sweet spot would like to say hello
jovial ether
i remember MW2, the Intervention was just such a OP rifle, it was game breaking actually xD
vast thistle
bolts should be like bf1 minus the sweetspot
solid hinge
@stoic breach thats a stupid argument
sonic rampart
solid hinge
sweet spot was limited range
stoic breach
Its not, because information without context isnt worthwhile information
solid hinge
buth whah ifh the recons spot mans in 30000m way then I must shoot that guy because he force me
stoic breach
Yeah that's exactly what I said
brave coral
All the spotting scope does for the average solo Recon is make camping better
sonic rampart
jovial ether
A unspoken law of the Recon class. If you spot another sniper looking in your direction. you must, and i mean YOU MUST have a 1v1 recon stand off. There can only be one.
brave coral
Flare gun encourages more aggressive play
jovial ether
^
solid hinge
@brave coral bruh
stoic breach
Spot flares provide accurate, contextual information about enemy location
solid hinge
flare gun gives free undeserved info
stoic breach
And spotting scope is useful to blueberries how exactly?
jovial ether
And Suomi give free kills in close quarters
sonic rampart
Who cares that its useful to blueberries
stoic breach
Because placing a ping on the map might not even give accurate information if the target is moving
brave coral
Are you really trying to call the Flare Gun a participation trophy? 
solid hinge
Thats what it is
vast thistle
how is anyone suppost to attack in breakthrough without free undeserved info?
stoic breach
Dude, being useful to blueberries is great
jovial ether
Placing a ping on the map only shows for your squad, not your team
solid hinge
Ur doing absolutely nothing yet u give so much information
stoic breach
Because you are a blueberry to someone else
brave coral
Wow
solid hinge
Dont know about u but I couldnt care less about that guy going 2-35
and he shouldnt have flares
stoic breach
And if a blueberry doesnt give you relevant or reliable information, what reason do you have to trust them
sonic rampart
Lol
brave coral
Would it be fine with you if everyone could spot anyone they saw at any range without having to use a gadget?
solid hinge
I missed what blueberry is?
jovial ether
2-35
brave coral
Is that information earned?
stoic breach
Dude, the spotting scope is a blueberry trust exercise
solid hinge
🍓
sonic rampart
I dont even trust my squadmates if they are random
solid hinge
literally 100% of the time if u put ur trust into a rando u both end up dead
stoic breach
Dont you think its a problem if you cant even, by design, trust your own teammates
sonic rampart
Like sometimes there might be a random whos actually good, but Thats sometimes
jovial ether
im literally laughing shitless in my chair reading y'all 
royal gull
Players who use the flare gun are good players. Supporting the team
jovial ether
Listen, this is BFV.
You have the Assault class, and the rest are made to support the Assault class.
sonic rampart
Meleefest 😩
stoic breach
Yeah, thats how the game should work
stoic breach
Why would you want more than 10 medics or supports or recons on a team
royal gull
The Assault class assaults the enemy
solid hinge
some people seem to think the game is made around them and their recon class
royal gull
The medic heals the team
sonic rampart
Because medics can revive
solid hinge
people should run to their camp and heal/resupply them
jovial ether
front line : Assault (Attack)
Second Line : Medic (Heal)
Third Line : Support (Ammo)
Fourth line : Recon (intel)
stoic breach
Well every class should be equally capable of killing, but assault has the most aggressive tools
Yeah, second line healing
solid hinge
I’d say they are rn
wicked pilot
How does a pistol kill me in 5 shots but it takes 15 rounds all hitting for my LMG to do any really damage
solid hinge
its not
stoic breach
950rpm 4BTK isnt frontline?
sonic rampart
^
solid hinge
ar’s or bolts are frontline guns
brave coral
This man is already playing TTK 5.2
jovial ether
Because medics, run up to assaults and revive them, or they kill those that break through the frontlines
solid hinge
I mean yeah the wehrmacht for example issued the karabiner as the main weapon for every soldier
brave coral
‘Bolts are frontline weapons. But the class that has them also shouldn’t be able to operate in their role at close range’
stoic breach
Yeah this is a super historical AAA casual audience FPS game
brave coral
This is a game where bolt actions are sniper weapons
solid hinge
I just proved ur statement wrong is all
jovial ether
Give us the Battle of Moscow map. If you are on the Russian side, 75% of the players should spawn with only melee weapons
stoic breach
Yes you proved my statement is wrong regarding historically accurate games
solid hinge
uh no
brave coral
This isn’t Hell Let Loose
brave coral
It’s an arcade shooter, therefore bolt actions are snipers, SMGs are frontline offensive weapons
stoic breach
Yes except the SMGs in BFV are built for close range
And have bad spread and damage for range
solid hinge
frontlines arent suited for smgs even in bf5
Stg does that way better
Which is an ar
shy badger
????????
solid hinge
u can read right
stoic breach
StG44 isnt even nearly as good as you seem to think it is at CQB
shy badger
I can't read nonesense
solid hinge
but we are talking frontline combat
brave coral
The submachine gun was developed during World War I (1914–1918). At its peak during World War II (1939–1945), millions of SMGs were made as close quarter offensive weapons.
brave coral
The wiki page for Submachine Guns
hoary condor
Henlo
solid hinge
yeah says there close quarters as well
stoic breach
Ohhh sorry, didnt realise you were talking about a 32 player march across an open field
My bad
sonic rampart
@hoary condor 🎄
hoary condor
jovial ether
Ekhm, Medics have SMGs because it is actually somewhat accurate to history. Medics carry medical equipment so they need a light weight gun to be able to run up to someone quickly, and take out anyone near the spot where the injured teammate is. That is basically it. SMGs are second line of defense, you utilize them when the enemy gets too close
solid hinge
well thats not at all what I was talking about
Butttttttt duuuuuuuudr ur on aboit history lol nerd im talking epic game fortnies
stoic breach
Frontline combat in BFV consists of being able to rush objectives
brave coral
Oh yeah I realise now you are talking about the frontline of the attacking team going into the second sector of Panzerstorm
shy badger
Generally medics are in the frontlines
glad knot
BISMARCK
jovial ether
Assaults can take out enemies from further distances, so its pointless to have SMGs right at the front lines since Assaults can take them out with ease from afar
stoic breach
There is no frontline if there are no objectives
shy badger
Because they want to get as close as they can to the enemies
hoary condor
Playing Pacific then going back to normal MP sucks lol
hoary condor
Ps is awesome
shy badger
They're frontlines in bfv
sonic rampart
@hoary condor ikr lmao
solid hinge
thats cuz the other maps are absolute garbo
stoic breach
Frontlines are based on attacking objectives, SMGs are typically used as close range sweeper weapons
solid hinge
Op underground, iwo and pacific storm are the only good maps in bf5
jovial ether
Medics are perfect for Second line defensive healing, and flanking a objective
hoary condor
Brigade Abroad is ok
stoic breach
Since medics have SMGs, they possess the best weapons for attacking objectives
shy badger
And they have the guns to suit that role kitten
shy badger
SMGs aren't those guns thoug
stoic breach
Therefore, medics are the most effective frontline fighters in BFV
sonic rampart
Therefore its just a game who cares tbh
solid hinge
@stoic breach yes smgs are good for pushing past the frontline, good job 🏅
rare topaz
Am I the only one who thinks that Breaktrough is so much better than Conquest? I feel like Conquest is much more objective based and there is just not so much action as in Breaktrough. Of course it depends on the map but generally there is so much more action in Breaktrough and I, as a Sniper main, feel like having an insane impact there. I mostly get 1-3th place just with kills and spotting.
stoic breach
Cool
So now you have MEDICS pushing past the front line, in front of assaults generally
solid hinge
@rare topaz no ur not, breakthru is the best mode and conquest sucks ass in bf5
stoic breach
Healers go first in BFV
shy badger
@rare topaz I feel like BT is more objective based
jovial ether
If you want to be a close range very aggressive Medic, pick the Suomi or the Type 100. If you want some more mid range capability, take the MP40. Mid-Long range support? M28 or Jungle Carabine 🤷♂️
shy badger
Since it's so simple most people actually go for the objective
stoic breach
Because SMGs are the best at frontline objective attack
ebon trench
Not if your entire team ate glue and licked window.
shy badger
Or rather because it's so straight froward
ebon trench
If that happens breakthrough is a nightmare
jovial ether
I actually love the MP40 at mid range
solid hinge
type 100 is about as mid range as the mp40
jovial ether
I prefer using the Type 100 over the Suomi, because i stick to the second lines.
ebon trench
I get lasered from 300 m away with the t 100