Bf1 spotting was op
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
coral fiber
Them spotting changes look good tho
lavish raptor
archer
analog mist
Like at this point just add the old spotting system back, it's way better than that.
solid hinge
This one is better
lavish raptor
wanna play now?
half wolf
The spotting is dumb, and god adding +1 btk for the slow firing LMGs is gonna just make them useless at range
steel agate
Im eating lunch now
lavish raptor
man
half wolf
DICE really is trying to force everyone into playing either assault or antimaterial rifle
lavish raptor
i kept tryna get you to join my team lmao
i beat you in score on that game of pacific lmao
21k to your 19k
was on a race
steel agate
Yeah I saw, half my team was camped out back
solid hinge
Antimaterial is lame
lavish raptor
idk how i get so much score tho
coral fiber
But then again guys
HARDCORE IS COMING š
lavish raptor
i do team shit but i aint special
dusky badge
@coral fiber this
half wolf
Man I can't wait for only 6btk in hardcore
solid hinge
wtf they nerfing fliegerfaust ? on iowa and storm every good plane player still gets 60+kills ..
soft storm
Lmao theyāll add RSP but nerf all the guns
half wolf
@solid hinge I'd say nerf the flieger to require more accuracy, and nerf the shit out of napalm/40mm guns on the planes
lavish raptor
fuck
half wolf
If I wanted enemies literally made of tungsten I'd go fucking play Overwatch
soft storm
Donāt they get that thereās a small player base for this game? If you change shit people leave
You donāt gain people from TTK changes that make it longer
half wolf
@soft storm The big thing is them changing shit isn't gonna bring anyone new to the game.
Especially around the holidays.
lavish raptor
wow
lavish raptor
they made it to where you aujto see people at 50m with marks
idle breach
a small tribe in remote region who prefer longer ttk
midnight fable
you watching jackfrags vid
half wolf
I think the netcode needs to be fixed so you dont get the instakill bugs, but you dont need to freaking double TTK at range for guns
lavish raptor
no westies
gray saffron
when you try to slide in bf3, but end up dead in your tracks crouching :<
half wolf
Welp it's been real, folks. Time to go to modern warfare
gray saffron
you mean bf3/bf4 ;D
half wolf
Because in a sad twist I have more faith in Activision fixing their MP than DICE fixing theirs
half wolf
@gray saffron bold claim here but I don't like the BF4 gunplay. For some reason the muzzle velocities just catch me off guard and I can never hit anything, the TTK is too long, and I hate the huge spreads.
BF3 at least had faster TTK
coral fiber
It ain't gunna be the end of the world tho... Lmao
lavish raptor
no its the end of this product
gray saffron
yeah i thought bf4 was dull too. my issue is more the maps though. they're not that fun as bf3 base maps
lavish raptor
theyre just assimilating it into the bf1 gameplay
half wolf
It won't be the end of the world you're right. It'll get hated and rolled back I'm sure.
coral fiber
š¤£
I'm done
half wolf
But it's going to kill my enjoyment of BF5.
lavish raptor
same
half wolf
Many aspects of BF5 is ludicrously unbalanced and they're somehow making it even worse.
*are
lavish raptor
this is ridiculous
theyre pushing back content too
just to make the game worse before adding something the community wants
cool
nimble pebble
I mean did anyone think this game was really gonna become something great? They screwed this one up hard and they have abandoned it in comparison to other bf
sage lagoon
Who knows, maybe by doing this they will figure something out
Good things could come from this
lavish raptor
@sage lagoon im an optimist but no this is them giving up hope
literally morphing its gameplay to bf1
sage lagoon
Remember all their past Fuck ups and how they changed things for the better?
lavish raptor
no i remember them solidifying broken games instead of growing them
sage lagoon
Well I mean in bfv
sage lagoon
In the beginning everyone thought it was a shit show, but they were able to bring it back
sage lagoon
Not spot
solid hinge
rip medic lol
sage lagoon
Itās only client side from what I know
solid hinge
Basically an icon above their heads
sage lagoon
Well, from what they say
Look, we can only wait and see what happens. If all of this is really that bad, Iām sure they will roll it back
lavish raptor
dude
sage lagoon
Think of it as an experiment
lavish raptor
outrage before is better then after
coral fiber
Just be more accurate and nail headshots
lavish raptor
dont want them implementing cock slamming
midnight nimbus
spotting changes are mega based though
honestly it sounds like a really good patch outside of gunplay stuff
coral fiber
Yeah
midnight nimbus
well it's not even technically spotting
coral fiber
I like the spotting changes
midnight nimbus
bc it's not communicated
sage lagoon
I say that itās better to hold the outrage till after
midnight nimbus
it's just for visibility / awareness on an individual level
solid hinge
A game that just started rising from the dead doesnt need any experiments
gray saffron
aye zir. it's like everyone acts this will be permanent. we already saw quick rollbacks when the ttk got altered last time. if people really hate it, they'll see it and fix it. we're going off charts and stats now. how it feels in-game might be completely different.
solid hinge
Im prob gonna go back to war thunder and cry
coral fiber
The "YOU ARE SPOTTED" on i really like
sage lagoon
If they real ease the update and it just doesnāt work and they get an instant large scale negative reaction, it is more likely they will role it back
dusky badge
Knowing that you are spotted is a great change
coral fiber
Yes
jovial ether
Actually looking more into it, i think these changes are good
lavish raptor
nah
gray saffron
i want a mgs sound effect when i get spotted "!"
lavish raptor
they just morphed bf1
coral fiber
The FF is going to be more avoidable
dusky badge
Changes are good.
lavish raptor
i cant wait to compare the games when it updates
dusky badge
The FF is goin to be more accurate, and truth be told, it was cheesy
jovial ether
And then we always have one negative guy that hates change 
coral fiber
When you can't insta kill anymore
dusky badge
But it should still have the same effectiveness
sage lagoon
I think that immediately reacting negatively will only result in them saying āgive us a chance pleaseā
There is no use getting mad now
dusky badge
āEveryoneās entitled to an opinion, but yours is wrongā
sage lagoon
Iām not saying anyoneās opinion is wrong geez
sage lagoon
Iām just saying why donāt we just try waiting
lavish raptor
i think being a skeptic on things that are completely morphing the games niche and being not passionate at all isnt the way ill go
ydy
solid hinge
BECAUSE WE ALREADY GOT A TTK CHANGE
dusky badge
I agree zir, wasnāt calling anyone out
half wolf
Well DICE already tried that with so many aspects of this game (untold stories, attrition, live service...) so they'll probs doing this again.
sage lagoon
Oh sorry lol
dusky badge
The comment was just to the bf community about game changes lol
sage lagoon
Lol
half wolf
TTK first time around...
jovial ether
It is true that BFV is no more this tactical hide and shoot kinda game. You have maps with open spaces that are large, so this TTK change will actually make the game more enjoyable in open areas
solid hinge
They could increase a little bit the recoil or buff suppression but increasing TTK sounds like a 20 iq play
dusky badge
We can only wait and see until what happens
jovial ether
you are badly designs
severe wraith
Nice ttk
jovial ether
"Maps are badly designed" and i bet you want Wake Island to be a circle so you can get from point A to point G easily? xD
severe wraith
Smart
young wing
when spotted enemies will disappear after they go thru smoke 
half wolf
@jovial ether nah fam I mean the ones that are an open field for snipers, MGs, and assaults to pick you off with ease, with 0 cover
cyan fog
lavish raptor
add changes the community doesnt want
severe wraith
Yup
lavish raptor
just to remove them after the community still doesnt like them
half wolf
@solid hinge I'd say increase recoil, add suppression-induced sway and healing slowdown (or stop), and increase MMG spread and bullet drop at range. Don't mess with TTK š¦
severe wraith
Yup
lavish raptor
thats not productive
sage lagoon
Think about it, if you had an idea that everyone seemed to disagree with, but still thought it would work and you have the power to put it out anyway, wouldnāt you at least do it to try? Wouldnāt you be driven to possibly prove them wrong?
severe wraith
Itās dice
lavish raptor
nor is it healthy
sage lagoon
You know what I mean?
jovial ether
Guns are not being "broken" but fixed...there are guns that are already broken and overpowered, this in my opinion will bridge the gap between weapons
solid hinge
@half wolf imo the perfect balance was the suppression at the end of BF1 cicle
sage lagoon
Plus, the graphs that we saw are probably not the final draw
solid hinge
It wanst annoying
half wolf
Not really. Assault guns already dominate at all ranges, and this will only do moreso.
jovial ether
@half wolf what class do you mostly play?
dusky badge
Pls no suppression
half wolf
Support and assault.
dusky badge
The chad recon
solid hinge
But snipers werent laser while suppresing them
solid hinge
Now suppression is a joke
jovial ether
Aahhh so the guy that plays with the more OP classes doesnt want a TTK change figures
lavish raptor
3d spotting
sage lagoon
Yeah suppression doesnāt really do much anymore
jovial ether
Just like Pilots didnt want the FF xD
lavish raptor
honestly fuck off
half wolf
I disagree with how BF1 did suppression. I don't want random bullet deviation. I want scope sway when ADSing with 3x+ scopes, and healing to stop when suppressed.
half wolf
And Kitten, I've been wanting stuff to get rebalanced for a while. Both assault and support are the most powerful (you are correct there), but a TTK nerf isn't the right way to do it.
radiant pivot
thats a joke update, except Fliegerfaust, and new map
lavish raptor
balance =/= flat based stats
lavish raptor
balancing isnt making guns the same
sage lagoon
Why do you keep saying 3d spotting
jovial ether
@half wolf but it isnt a TTK nerf per say, it is a range nerf. They are making some weapons less reliable at higher ranges
coral fiber
It's not 3D spotting
half wolf
I've been wanting increased recoil across the board, increased MMG spread, but also adding suppression effects back in and for the love of god give Medic and Sniper more ammo than one fucking spare magazine.
solid hinge
they say they're rebalancing everything
autumn bane
only thing i want is the assault rifles to be 5 BTK at all ranges
cuz Semi autos are too good, especially with mouse aiming.
young wing
what even is 3d spotting?
autumn bane
spotting is when u get an icon above ur head at all times
lavish raptor
an abortion
gray glade
doritos
coral fiber
@solid hinge dem tanks changes tho š
autumn bane
basically everyone knows where u are.
jovial ether
Every weapon is getting changed, alongside recoil, accuracy and all that. And they have said that, this is a massive weapon system overhaul
sage lagoon
Stop complaining about 3D spotting they havenāt even said anything about that
half wolf
The issue with this is it yoinks MMG and LMG utility at range, where they already get beaten out hard by snipers and semiauto rifles. The thing people hate about the MG42 is some dude proning in a doorway at 10m away and that won't get fixed.
solid hinge
They did
lavish raptor
...
autumn bane
when @jovial ether
gray glade
they showed that video
coral fiber
@solid hinge YESSSSS
sage lagoon
3D detection is the word you are looking for
jovial ether
Just go watch Levelcaps video
autumn bane
kk
jovial ether
he explains everything
solid hinge
Everyone is spotted within 15 m when u look at them
gray glade
@half wolf yeah, thats my opinion as well, i play alot of MMG's and honestly this will INCREASE mmg campers
solid hinge
I hope they dont put it
sage lagoon
Yes but it is not spotting, it is detection. Two different things
coral fiber
^
jovial ether
Tanks are not getting buffed. They will have a damage model similar to what they had in BF3 and BF4
solid hinge
inb4 they remove mg42 recoil entirely
half wolf
MMGs needed an overall TTK nerf yes, but not obliterating their effectiveness at range and still not giving them the suppression they need to be effective in the role they're intended to be in.
It's just gonna increase MMG corner camping now.
sage lagoon
I still hate the idea of detection, but 3D spotting and detection arenāt the same thing
solid hinge
wait
half wolf
No amount of 3D spotting will save you from a 4btk at 1200rpm with this game's netcode.
solid hinge
I mean FULL ACCURACY
coral fiber
Yes
gray glade
yeah i dont get that either @solid hinge
whoever decided 13 bullets needed at 100m never tried doing it
lavish raptor
literally nothing for me to defend this game with now
solid hinge
Ita rebalance
half wolf
@solid hinge Just give them increased spread and then buff suppression, don't friggin increase the TTK anymore.
sage lagoon
They should just make it so that if you look directly at an enemy an icon appears above their head
coral fiber
Ok
gray glade
its difficult hitting someone 6 times at 100m with the mg42, if you wanna kill the dude in a reasonable time period
try 13
sage lagoon
The detection makes no sense
half wolf
The only viable class for long range shit now is fucking assault bahahaha and we know they're not gonna get touched as badly by these nerfs.
solid hinge
They will add the giant bomber w mortar shells
jovial ether
@half wolf its not only the TTK they are changing y'know?
sage lagoon
Soldiers in WWII didnāt have spidey sense
solid hinge
From bf1
half wolf
@jovial ether Yeah but what are you gonna do? Make MMGs lasers at 100m? Because that will just make things just as bad as they were before. All it's gonna do is encourage more MMG corner camping.
autumn bane
the browning is honestly not that bad
solid hinge
they nerfed semis too dude
half wolf
the browning is great, I love it
lavish raptor
brownings ballanced
solid hinge
only things that didnt get nerfed were bolt actions
half wolf
And since all MMGs have the same damage profile and they're all gonna be equally unusable at long range, the only viable MMG is gonna be the fuckin' mG42 again
lavish raptor
nerf everything make the game to where only noobs enjoy it
solid hinge
BOLTS RISE UP
sage lagoon
I was using the mg42 yesterday and it honestly felt kinda shit
solid hinge
they said they were gonna change fire rates and recoil as well
sage lagoon
Every time I deployed the bipod I was instantly sniped
half wolf
@solid hinge Fact of the matter is with their super low recoil, still fast TTK, and 3x scopes and no suppression, semiautos will always beat out MMGs at range now
solid hinge
maybe the mg42 will be 1800rpm with 0 recoil now
The semis are getting slapped harder than the mmgs are
jovial ether
@half wolf they are also gonna do recoil adjustments, tweaking Rates of Fire, more diverse weapons specialisations
half wolf
But buffing ROFs and recoil will just make them into even more corner camping monsters. DICE is gonna have the opposite effect.
solid hinge
The mg 42 is quite bad
pastel pulsar
Feels like they'llmake the gumplay similar to bf4
half wolf
@solid hinge what are the semis getting slapped with?
sage lagoon
Iām still debating their choice to have mmgs
half wolf
Because its a bf1 gun and who wants to use that horseshit
solid hinge
@autumn baneit is my most used gun
autumn bane
the semi auto, not the sniper btw
solid hinge
Look at what they did to the m1a1
autumn bane
its so good with 25 rounds
half wolf
@solid hinge link?
solid hinge
sage lagoon
The problem with mmgs is that they are just as powerful as other weapons as long as you have a bipod out
And that makes them bad
autumn bane
the m1a1 sucks, just use an STG and tapfire it
solid hinge
I use the 1906 @autumn bane
half wolf
well the M1A1 has been outclassed by the italian burstfire ever since it came out anyway
sage lagoon
They donāt really have very redeeming factors
solid hinge
STG tap fire is objectively far shitter than the m1a1
lavish raptor
bredas skill based gun
half wolf
I like MMGs, but the balance of them isn't done well. The issue is the game mechanics that make a MMG a solid weapon class (SUPPRESSION FOR FUCKS SAKE) aren't executed well, and DICE has to compensate by giving them comical killing power up close.
dusky badge
^
half wolf
breda 3x is a spicy boi
lavish raptor
is breda getting nerfed too
solid hinge
m1a1 still has 0 recoil
autumn bane
stg tap fire with a macro is accurite asf
half wolf
Still prefer the extra breda ammo you get
autumn bane
no horizontal recoil
half wolf
That is cheating, you know that?
sage lagoon
Iām the only one who worries about the drilling
solid hinge
Stg damage model is way worse than the m1a1 though
sage lagoon
I use the drilling the most
autumn bane
its not cheating since i binded the fire button to X.
solid hinge
Waste of time tap firing it
severe wraith
Cringe
half wolf
How is that not cheating.
solid hinge
actually
half wolf
How is using a friggin' macro not cheating?
solid hinge
sage lagoon
Heās joking
solid hinge
I take it back the STG will dunk now
autumn bane
tapping a key is less stressful than tapping a mouse button
while also tryna keep aim on target
try it out lol
solid hinge
@solid hinge the scout slrs?
severe wraith
Cringe
lavish raptor
whats new whats old
regal summit
I donāt see anyone with a Gewehr 1-5 anymore
severe wraith
Thereās a key on the top
dusky badge
New: blue
autumn bane
ribeyrolles with 3x scope is where its at if ur on a map with barely any corners
dusky badge
Old: yellow/orange
half wolf
ribeye with 3x is better than many LMGs lol
solid hinge
They didnt show any SLR changes but they said the only things they're certain about not touching are the bolts, bolt action carbines and the AT rifles
autumn bane
i run gewehr 1-5 with iron sights. only cuz the fast strafe spec
otherwise its kinda outclassed.
autumn bane
ru on pc
solid hinge
Nobody uses them i hope they keep them the sams
autumn bane
alot of guns dunk on pc
on console i feel like theres only a few viable ones
ive tried both
solid hinge
I love using my s1906
half wolf
yeah these changes look awful
Imma get my kicks in now, then wait till all the game changers riot and get the TTK rolled back
autumn bane
majority of bfv players are unaware and dogsht no offense
so of course dice needs to accomodate to them
this is not a surprise
solid hinge
g1-5 rules just cause it's a semi with detachable mag
half wolf
All this is gonna do is drop their playerbase more tbh
They're not getting anyone new from this
short pecan
looks fine to me
solid hinge
keheheh
short pecan
weapons dont have spread anymore so they need to tone down damage at range to balance it out
half wolf
Or maybe give spread back at range?
These guns actually had spread IRL... especially the MMGs.
lavish raptor
im the fuckin dolphin
short pecan
maybe bolt actions arent gonna be ass anymore
solid hinge
Its not just damage changes
unique thunder
Proposed ttk changes going down a treat I see
half wolf
Bolt actions are still gonna be ass.
solid hinge
but yes apparently bolt actions are gonna rule now
half wolf
Just everything else will be ass too.
@solid hinge I'd do more bolt actions if I didn't get Soviet Union 1942 levels of ammo with them. I hate this attrition system so much
analog mist
I'm also not a fan of armor changes, especially their plan to give planes angles of attack
short pecan
too early to tell, we'll see how it plays out in the end
autumn bane
do the agm42, gewehr43, and zh29 still have the same TTK
half wolf
I am interested to see what happens. But I'm not wasting my time on playing with the new changes if I'm not gonna like them.
tight rain
Wait, they doing some new balances?
half wolf
its TTK all over again
half wolf
They didnt learn from the first time
lavish raptor
literally crutch patch
tight rain
I see
proven acorn
Hopefully they buff the m1 garand
half wolf
That does not need buffs lmao
tight rain
Is it bad?
half wolf
Just the M1D scope pls
half wolf
the M1 garand is excellent.
tight rain
I havent really used much of the new weapons, other than the ariska
half wolf
But like every other smallmag gun, it's hampered by attrition.
tight rain
Arisaka*
half wolf
All the new guns are pretty fun imho.
analog mist
I hope they make low ROF weapon hit harder.
half wolf
The M1919 shreds at range, and it's just a fun gun. The garand is fun and has a unique spec tree, the Type 100 is solid
tight rain
I tired thhe m1919 but i cant get used to it
proven acorn
The m1 is nuts. Fast rof, low recoil, fairly good accuracy and bullet velocity
analog mist
My friend who is a support main always complains that all the guns for his class basically do the same damage.
half wolf
@analog mist that's a big complaint. just like in BF1, ROF determines which guns are best, nothing else.
rotund totem
hey,at what framerate should I be able to un bf5 at with ryzen 5 2600x and with a 1050ti? because I see videos on youtube with ryzen 5 and they have like 100+ frames and im getting like 40 in singleplayer and when it does go to 60 it doesnt look smooth at all so if someone could help me that would be cool just @ me or DM me
lavish raptor
literally just making this game bf1 based on desc of the update
half wolf
@tight rain relevant username
hexed steeple
Canāt wait till community games drop
tight rain
Yee
half wolf
Actually tho take the 670rpm spec, the fast bullets and reduced recoil spec
That shit claps cheeks at range
tight rain
Hmmm
autumn bane
this means there wont rly be 100+ kill games anymore lol
tight rain
Seems a little too slow
rotund totem
@lavish raptor can you come into tech so maybe you can help me?
analog mist
BF3 and 4 did it right, bigger bullet did more damage but in return kicked way more
lavish raptor
sure
half wolf
Dont go lower RPM, you will always lose to assaults then.
tight rain
Even the mg34 is too slow for me
proven acorn
Big bullets were also slower
analog mist
That too
half wolf
I used to feel that, but I've moved back towards the slower RPM guns for range. More controllable.
proven acorn
The Lewis gun is my go to if I wanna be somewhat aggressive
It's just so damn good XD
autumn bane
lewis is only good if ur enemy doesnt know ur shootin at em
half wolf
Lewis or FG42 for aggressive LMG play, but tbh I'm decent enough with MMGs that I still push with those
hop into a trench and hose it down from the hip like in the Pacific HBO show
analog mist
I can only imagine how terrible the FG-42 will be after the update.
proven acorn
It's already very meh
half wolf
my side mag bbys
analog mist
I hated it before
short pecan
dont forget the ls26
autumn bane
the fg42 might still be good if they decrease the horizonal recoil
half wolf
I love the FG42 right now
tight rain
I try to be fairly aggressive with the mmgs, but the hipfire is just so bad
proven acorn
Ke7 is easier to control and has more ammo
half wolf
@tight rain the key is to just play hyperaggressive. Do not jump down and try to prone people on a push, you will get domed. You hold down the trigger and keep moving forward.
short pecan
the fg42 is already decently controllable for a high rof weapon
proven acorn
The mmgs are bodied by anyone with decent aim and map awareness
half wolf
Surprise is key, and if you stop to bipod or prone, you lose that
short pecan
can easily drop targets at up to 50m, just use lower optics
half wolf
@proven acorn they are, but they're still fun to use. How would you recommend improving them?
I use 3x on the FG42 and semiauto it
its great
tight rain
Mmm 3x
half wolf
headshot machine
tight rain
If only the mg42 had it
half wolf
oh god no
analog mist
I'm kinda not even excited for the BAR anymore.
tight rain
God himself would fear me
half wolf
the BAR is just gonna be dogshit with this new TTK, and its rates of fire. Won't be anything special for the support class tbh
To be fair the BAR was a pretty bad squad automatic weapon IRL...
proven acorn
The mmgs really encourage a playstyle I'm not a fan of. Usually only die to the mg42 player curled up in a corner
tight rain
Never liked it in bf1, probably wont like it here either
analog mist
I'm not even sure which way it will get balanced because it can be fired faster or slower.
And it seems it's just high ROF stuff getting the stick the worst.
proven acorn
The semi auto snipers will be nuts after the patch lol
half wolf
@proven acorn these new changes are only gonna pigeonhole us MMG players into even more of that prone corner camp meta. I try and lock down lanes of approach and just start hosing down at longer ranges, as opposed to corner camping, because that's boring.
gray glade
i dont like that dice are doing everything they can to get rid of the mg42, especially the 1200 rpm version
WHY dice why :((
half wolf
But if I can't be effective at range, then there's really only one way to play MMGs then.
tight rain
1200 rpm and extended dice pls
gray glade
now im forced to use dirty american weapon
whole island
Honestly, the Kar98K should be in the assault class
half wolf
This TTK patch is actually worse than the first TTK attempt. Most guns are getting +1btk at all ranges at minimum and others are getting EVEN MORE
gray glade
and whatever the m1922 is
whole island
As a rifleman.
gray glade
m1922 is prolly the best mmg atm, which is weird
cuz i never heard of it before this game š
tight rain
I remember trying it
short pecan
didnt bf4 increase ttk as well and most people liked it?
young wing
quick question, how do ppl take those screenshots in #screenshots-and-clips
gray saffron
spectator mode
proven acorn
I hope they fix the shotguns
tight rain
They broken?
gray saffron
go to server browser, go to server info, click join as spectator
proven acorn
The way spread works is wonky
tight rain
I see
whole island
Nope
young wing
can u rewind in spectator mode? i assume not?
gray saffron
you can join servers that are 64/64 players
pastel pulsar
A question beside:
Did anyone ever complain about the TTK? I never heard any criticism, so I wonder why they adress it.
whole island
Shotguns are still good wdym
gray saffron
no, no rewind
young wing
so all those pics are just spur of the moment screenshots?
solid hinge
Is the tommy getting worse or not?
proven acorn
Shotguns feel unreliable af
tight rain
The drilling didnt seem different
gray saffron
i think with nvidia ansel you can pause though, but not sure
rustic root
the only thing i want is for them to nerf the suomi
coral fiber
People cried about visibility in the game and dice adds a way to spot them
And people cry more
Im fucking done with this community lmao
dusky badge
short pecan
its not even a real spot lmao
solid hinge
people are loud about any changes
@coral fiber bye
new visibility stuff looks good
coral fiber
LMFAO
young wing
whats that red line in the middle of the pic?
coral fiber
"BYE" š¤£
solid hinge
š¤·āāļø
royal gull
Lol at the sub melting down over the balance changes
half wolf
@solid hinge I think the visibility stuff is a bandaid on a larger issue, but something needed to be done, and it looks like this is our best shot at a fix.
royal gull
I hope DICE doesn't cave to appease SMG/MMG/AR spammers
dusky badge
Before patch: the chad assault
After patch: the chad recon 
half wolf
@royal gull That's half the guns in the game, bucko
dusky badge
Time to shred with glorious kar98
solid hinge
Wait is the visibility getting better?
half wolf
I think those guns need a rebalance, but not through what DICE did here.
tight rain
Yea yea, I totally agree sg
royal gull
Yeah and it's bad balance when there isn't much of a reason to not use a specific weapon
gray glade
dice are absolutely in love with recons
gray saffron
this is the most anti smg/mmg/ar spamming change though SG-17. it all makes it worse to spam with it since you need moar bullets
proven acorn
9 bullets to kill seems legit
coral fiber
Boutta roll in my Kar98K
gray glade
dice wishes we all play recon
royal gull
90% of the time if you weren't using an STG44 you were at a disadvantage
gray glade
15 recons per team in breakthrough not enough
dusky badge
Everyone gangsta till the medic pulls out the jungle carbine
tight rain
Oh yea, jut got the carbine
coral fiber
I thought assault was DICE's golden child š¤£
tight rain
Man i hate using assault
half wolf
If they make the lower ROF LMGs and MMGs more viable I'm game
rotund totem
is anyone a techy person here?
half wolf
But it looks like this may be an across the board nerf to all of them regardless of ROF
coral fiber
@rotund totem #technology
short pecan
the low rof lmgs are good already
royal gull
From what I've read of this the idea is to get rid of the one size fits all crap
dusky badge
I wonder how pistols are being changed?
short pecan
bren and madsen are so easy to use at range
royal gull
Make the entire weapon list viable
dusky badge
Or do they stay the same?
royal gull
Rather than a handful
coral fiber
Pistols are untouched
dusky badge
Untouched? Sweet.
half wolf
@short pecan if they get their TTK shrekt at range they won't be anymore.
short pecan
yes they will still be
proven acorn
Mark iv ftw
short pecan
because its not just them getting nerfs
half wolf
I think they need a small ROF bump to stay competitive with Assault's guns tbh
coral fiber
When people can't insta kill anymore
royal gull
Soumis will still murder in close quarters but will get assfucked by semi autos or slower ROF smgs at range
half wolf
Oh with this game's netcode, instakill will absolutely still be a thing!
short pecan
it already does tho
half wolf
Don't worry you won't miss it
plush flume
So redditers are having shit fits over TTK again? Epic
short pecan
if you lose to a suomi with a semi auto at 20m you just suck lol
tight rain
Boy oh boy reddit is mad again
dusky badge
Le redditeurs have arrived
coral fiber
Oh yeah lmao
dusky badge
āReddit momentā
half wolf
I'm still not a fan of "lol TTK fixes everything". I agree that a lot of things needed a rebalance, but this ain't it, chief.
plush flume
I just skipped over the TTK part in the early patch notes reading
tight rain
Yea lets go redditors
coral fiber
Bouta roll in my tiger again lmao
half wolf
also TWELVE BULLETS TO KILL in a game with super fast healing 
I guess my favorite combo of support with a stolen Thompson will be a goner
plush flume
Like what are they even proposing to change with TTK this time?
half wolf
sad
coral fiber
The only reason why dice is doing this
DEM CHRISTMAS NOOBS ARE COMING
junior vale
How about making recons viable again
half wolf
@plush flume Drastically reducing the effectiveness of most guns past 75m or so.
royal gull
Automatic guns
plush flume
Thatās why theyāre having a shit fit?
royal gull
Not most guns
gray saffron
it's at 100 meters though. how much firefights are you having at 100meters? most of my fights are close range š¦
coral fiber
^
short pecan
every gun except bolt actions are affected
coral fiber
Most fights are close range
half wolf
I use my M1919 at long range...
royal gull
Exactly
plush flume
Muh TTK
royal gull
So the meta won't change for close range
short pecan
and pistols
half wolf
But also it looks like an across the board +1btk to most guns as well, in addition to the range nerfs.
So it's like their first attempt at the TTK rebalance, but even more oof this time.
royal gull
But if a STG44 user is going to try to engage a Garand user at 50m they'll get spanked instead of having a good chance to beat the Garand user, all other things equal
dusky badge
Redditors are shitting themselves because it takes a high amount of bullets to kill someone with an SMG at a 100 + range but then complain about HISTORICAL ACCURACY and REALISM
coral fiber
Lmfao
plush flume
I mean if most of the community donāt want it changed than donāt do it but if they wanna try changes let āem try it at least
half wolf
I don't give a shit about realism lol
dusky badge
no shit youāre not gonna hit or do anything with an smg outside itās effective range
half wolf
I just want fun balanced gameplay
short pecan
i like the change to a 5 btk standard in cqb
dusky badge
We wonāt know how this stuff plays until the patch drops
coral fiber
^
half wolf
I think the 5btk close quarters standard is putting a bandaid on the larger netcode issue, but we will see
onyx phoenix
increased time to kill
coral fiber
One of the community manager's even said it's not gunna play out like the last ttk change
analog mist
Lunge mine hype tho
half wolf
No offense but I don't believe shit the CMs say.
analog mist
75 damage to ass end of that sherman
dusky badge
Lunge mine is for support!!!
half wolf
It often comes across like they don't play the game themselves.
coral fiber
Yesss
dusky badge
Itās like the limpet, but better
analog mist
I hope it breaks walls and fortifications
half wolf
I am stoked for lunge mine but IIRC it looks like it's being delayed again.
half wolf
oh yes
short pecan
i'll stick to mines and sneaking up
half wolf
ITS LIMPET TIME AGAIN BOIS
coral fiber
I don't mind it being delayed
dusky badge
Good olā Lumpy
analog mist
It only did like 10-15 damage to the user though, but I expect that will change when it finally releases.
half wolf
I don't mind it either. I just hope it's not "tank customization" level delayed
gray saffron
i think this ttk change is closer to games like bf4 etc, where you cna still reasonably walk on open fields (ala al sundan etc) and the players can still kill you if they're good enough. currently it's walk on the sand dunes of al sundan and yer dead by a any semi auto that's camping from D or whatever.
analog mist
30 I think is fair if it can do that much to the back
short pecan
lunge charge seems like a gimmick at best, especially if your characters screams are audible to the tanker
midnight nimbus
NICE
half wolf
That is fair, @gray saffron. But that's a function of bad map design and lack of access to smokes.
Just as much as it is a part of weapon balance.
But it is easier to rebalance guns than redesign all the maps š¤·āāļø
gray saffron
not really. it's not like cod where there HAVE to be a corner or cover on every part of the map. we have portable smokes and launchers, we have moveable vehicles and stuff.
short pecan
phh boy
coral fiber
I'm looking forward to the aircraft damage change in later updates
plush flume
HMG nerf when please
half wolf
@gray saffron half the classes don't have portable smokes. tbh I think everyone should be able to pack a smoke grenade
gray saffron
but you usually have a medic in your squad that moves alongside you ;D
short pecan
well my swuads tend to be 3 recons or 3 assaults
sage lagoon
@gray saffron lol what world do you live in
half wolf
But you don't get smokes back from Support ammo crates.
plush flume
Even if you donāt have a medic in your squad everyone still pops smoke fucking everywhere
gray saffron
if you go through the sanddunes as a dude without smokes, you deserve to be sniped by a g43
short pecan
cant pick your team mates unfoetunately
sage lagoon
You mean sandbags?
half wolf
And while I don't think we should cater to the lowest common denominator, we should recognize that a lot of people in this game solo queue.
analog mist
I am mixed on the smokes, last thing I want is more blueberries dropping smoke on their own defensive position because they go shot once.
sage lagoon
Itād be kinda hard to throw sand dunes
half wolf
@analog mist give em the rope to hang themselves I'd say
analog mist
Even worse when you're attacking and people don't throw them far enough.
half wolf
But it's better to have access to smokes I'd say.
sage lagoon
Imagine throwing an entire hill of sand
short pecan
does anyone ever use the sticky grenade on the support? it feels so useless
sage lagoon
Omg add pocket sand into the game right fucking now
analog mist
All the time
sage lagoon
Pocket sand grenade available for every class
half wolf
if you nail a tank on the booty
analog mist
Sticky for them solo tank kills
half wolf
ammo crate plus sticky nade is 4 AT pistol shots plus the nade
you can totally yoink a tank with that
short pecan
solo tank kills with support usually happen with sneaky mines though
no need for the grenade
gray saffron
i think the ttk change might make maps like twisted steel, aerodrome, which are more sniping semi auto centred maps, more bearable but we'll see.
short pecan
the at pistol sucks
analog mist
Mines have less utility, I always roll with the AT pistol
half wolf
I used to do the "shoot the mine" trick, but now I use the AT pistol and love it.
sage lagoon
Pocket sand acts like shotgun spread but if you hit someone they are temporarily partially blinded as long as you hit them from within 5 meters
dusky badge
It all depends on positioning (where youāre hitting the tank) and reload time of the lunge
sage lagoon
Yes please
shy badger
What was the point of the TTK change
analog mist
Christmas
half wolf
Countering bad netcode, map design, and players.
sage lagoon
You mean the change in TTK?
OH THAT MAKES SENSE
They changed TTK for newbs on Christmas
half wolf
lmao @ DICE thinking they'll gain a ton of new players on Christmas
gloomy jungle
thompson is gonna no longer be 4 hit kill
short pecan
weapons were long overdue for rebalancing, i think the timing is just coincedence
gloomy jungle
rip thompson with no specializations
sterile garden
changing TTK, typical dice move 
sage lagoon
It just means being punished by better players will take longer and be more painful
gloomy jungle
the ttk was fine
half wolf
It's not for Christmas noobs. The weapons in this game are pretty unbalanced, and they needed a fix. Just that DICE can't fix the netcode and bad map design, so they need to make weapons awful past 100m.
gloomy jungle
i dont want to be spitting on people from 100m
sage lagoon
Some TTKs were way too low and some too high
half wolf
^
analog mist
With luck it means low ROF weapons get more use
simple terrace
*cough Stg
outer brook
They havenāt messed with ttk again have they?
sage lagoon
They are gonna
sterile garden
TTK right now is allright, no need to change everything. Just some weapons need rebalancing.
outer brook
Why itās perfectly fine
sage lagoon
If it really turns out to be that bead I bet theyāll change it back
It wasnāt fine to be honest
junior vale
Yea i dont need to be sniped by an M1919 from 150 meters away
drowsy basin
Hello all āļø
outer brook
Perhaps private games will allow you to change ttk
sage lagoon
Maybe for your favorite weapons it was fine, but a lot of weapons were under or overpowered
short pecan
if anything the ttk changes are gonna make headshots more inportant at range
sage lagoon
Maybe not game breaking but it was undesirable
sterile garden
TTK changes and 3d spotting,like wtf are they even thinking. Do they even play their game?
drowsy basin
sage lagoon
Itās not 3d spotting itās 3d detecting damn it
short pecan
you act like people werent spamming flares for the past 2 weeks
sage lagoon
Not the same thing
sterile garden
Still pretty damn shit
gloomy jungle
i think since the thompson is getting a 5 shot damage nerf should they give it a default 30 round stick mag like they did to that one assault weapon
sage lagoon
I know it sounds like it sucks but I wanna see how it plays out
I think it might even be beneficial to see how it plays out
outer brook
Yeah I guess
sage lagoon
For both us and the devs
lavish raptor
so
sterile garden
Then they should do it via a serpate playlist or CTE !
lavish raptor
ive been gone an hour
gloomy jungle
this is why we need a CTE
lavish raptor
hows the update changed?
outer brook
But only if private games debut hardcore mode or something in chapter 6
sage lagoon
If it actually ruins the game, I doubt they will just leave it like that
gloomy jungle
but it takes awhile to change back like other patches
sage lagoon
They still have till 2021 till there next game donāt they?
lavish raptor
huh
sage lagoon
At most it will be two weeks
nova cedar
outer brook
Donāt think thatās the right attitude but you do you no judgement here
short pecan
again, they did it in bf4 and it worked out well, don't see any reason why it wouldnt work here
lavish raptor
thats the attitude of skeptics rn
im an optimist
but im a realist
this is a terrible concept for an update
sage lagoon
Can you please stop being so pessimistic about it Jesus Christ. We havenāt even experienced what all this shit feels like when actually applied to the game
lavish raptor
and to say that itll work out and there shouldnt be any rage is stupid
sage lagoon
All we have seen is little snippets of what it might do
sterile garden
They should def. test it first, like why are we even talking about this? Releasing a major update that changes the meta needs testing,
lavish raptor
^
outer brook
CTE was a good shout
sage lagoon
Critique is good, but everyone is just saying āthis is the end of this gameā over and over again
gray saffron
live patching is the new testing ground though :3
if it fails, they'll just revert it back to old ttk
outer brook
Or a playlist with the new ttk before the launch of it on all servers
sage lagoon
^^
sterile garden
^
sage lagoon
That would be preferable
lavish raptor
its exaggeration
points still valid
dice is fucking bipolar
and they deserve all the shade thrown at them
sterile garden
It won't change that good players will still dominate. It just ruins the smooth quick gameplay.
sage lagoon
Even if it is exaggeration, itās still dumb when multiple people say the exact same thing over and over again
fleet bloom
EA bad upvotes to the left
gloomy jungle
š
sage lagoon
My point is that we canāt be sure exactly how these things will change the game from here on out
gloomy jungle
nope its the end of the world
lavish raptor
if they didnt want opinions
gloomy jungle
game will hit 0 players instantly when update drops
lavish raptor
they wouldnt release info to the consumer
sage lagoon
It may just discourage fighting from ridiculous ranges
Yes but straight up saying that they are dumb for trying to change stuff isnāt positive criticism
icy sluice
I think 25?
rapid hatch
Oof
sterile garden
https://old.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/dwueiv/community_broadcast_chapter_5_check_in/f7lvu62/ now thats just a true from me dog
rapid hatch
Ok
icy sluice
30 or so I don't remember
gloomy jungle
i liked the short barreled version of the model 27 that temporyal leaked awhile back
sage lagoon
No Iām like 27 and I donāt have it yet
icy sluice
They are the community team and don't have ANY decision in how the game is made. @sterile garden
It's the gameplay and multiplayer designers
gray saffron
yeah, i don't think it's a good idea to attack the community managers. they're just there to relay info one way or another.
icy sluice
I'm 31 iirc
coarse oasis
am I reading this patch directly that at rifle is going to require a lot more Precision now against vehicles
icy sluice
And DRUNKKZ3 (gameplay designer) DEFINITELY plays the game
coarse oasis
Correctly*
icy sluice
I currently don't have enough time to fully read it
lavish raptor
new idea
gray saffron
yeah, i've seen plenty of dice employees play bfv, saying "they don't play the game" is silly argument when it comes to "radical' changes.
lavish raptor
get a test team of 500 players randomly selected that play every day
gloomy jungle
wdym you're from north america, the EU, south america and africa raptor
lavish raptor
and take there stats on certain guns and see if theres an issue
since people call OP on every gun someones good with
lavish raptor
sexy
solid hinge
Dice: Hmm, looks like people are happy with the pacific.
Lets heck everything up lol april fools in december
icy sluice
They get a lot of internal playtests, so they probably playtested the upcoming ttk
lavish raptor
needs to be random @icy sluice
gray saffron
#220326362077069323 i think, @raw jewel
raw jewel
thanks
icy sluice
Yeah, remember that everything you do in this game is recorded
gray saffron
even my teabags? ;3
icy sluice
Even that stupid thing you did where you have quickly changed things around or something, they know you do that š
@gray saffron probably
gray saffron
oh dear
raw jewel
everything??
gray saffron
Big Dice is watching youu
icy sluice
Everything, it's to help fix bugs and change things around
shy badger
raw jewel
bruh they watch me get lasered by an MG for the 4th time by the same person? nice
gray saffron
that time you went afk to the bathroom to laugh at kitten videos? THEY KNOW.
raw jewel
oh my i've spent 1 day of my life playing as a medic
like seriously?
1 day of my life
GONE
gray saffron
medic is fun to play though š¦ no time is wasted as a medic!
gray saffron
i main medics mostly
topaz dome
I've spent almost 4 days playing medic
gray saffron
you're always close to action, a smg killing machine, get to tell people they're fine, people can grope you for health and you have unlimited healthpacks! ;D
main grove
And they literally just said they think bolts are fine
Itās other weapons that need tweaking apparently
raw jewel
i want the explosive plunger to come out
mighty sierra
The next patch will ruin TTK and destroy the game. EA, DICE, please don't do it!
topaz dome
looks like it will do quite a lot of damage
raw jewel
what's wrong with the TTK?
gray saffron
so dramatic. let's just see what the change will do, shall we? š¦
main grove
Iām wondering what this 15m auto spot is gonna do
raw jewel
bruh top 18% medic score i feel cherished
15m autospot??
that should not be in the game
mighty sierra
The TTK in the upcoming patch is ridiculous. Remember last year when they tried to slow down the TTK? They're trying to do it again.
mighty sierra
The new spotting mechanics are stupid as well
gray saffron
only if the person is in view. he won't show up on your minimap. so no hugging corners to see if there's a guy behind your wall
main grove
So rip stealth
upbeat apex
RIP Battlefield 5
mighty sierra
3D spotting is a crutch for bad players who have terrible awareness of their environment
gray saffron
it will only mean rip mmgers/proners. you can still act stealthy as fuck
mighty sierra
3D spotting should be removed entirely
pastel pulsar
Its a bloody arcade game
raw jewel
i've literally spent 19h using the mp40
solid hinge
it's only gonna show up on people in your field of view
so that dude camping inside a bush will actually be visible now
pastel pulsar
Gladly
mighty sierra
Yeah so? Just because its an arcade game doesn't mean we should give a crutch to bad players who have terrible awareness of their environment.
gray saffron
it's essentially just side pings. not real Spotting
solid hinge
When I literally know someone is somewhere and I cant see them it's not my fault the game's visibility is shit
mighty sierra
The medic SMGs need a very slight buff to damage over range if anything. They aren't competitive with any of the other full auto weapons.
solid hinge
camping in foliage makes you borderline invisible
spiral remnant
Bruh if a match starts in BF1 and I'm tabbed out the game tab turns black and is frozen, but you can hear sounds
solid hinge
the smgs suck at range because they maul up close
icy sluice
Do people not realize that the 'spotting' is literally just enemy names showing up like in CoD?
spiral remnant
is bf4 still alive?
gray saffron
let's face it, we're not quake 3 anymore. maps aren't sterile and empty. we're in 3d almost nigh-realism maps with destructible items, Visual Clutter fx and particles. it's already hard enough to see a guy in the rubble with a insta-delete mmg, so i don't see any issue with this new viewpings at close range. it might remove the whole VISIBLITY SUCKS meme.
solid hinge
^
mighty sierra
That's the problem. DICE is trying to pass off 3d spotting as a easy way to"improve visibility" when they could be working on improving the actual visibility of the character models
solid hinge
red outlines
midnight nimbus
how do you tell blueberries where an enemy is
32p VOIP would just be hilarious though
icy sluice
Make it Proximity Voice chat then
midnight nimbus
"JuSt UsE vOiCe"
royal gull
I like this change with the individual spotting
icy sluice
I'm all for Proximity Voice chat
gray saffron
i'd love prox chat though. or atleast being able to chat with the blueberry driver of the tank you're in ;D
icy sluice
It's not even actual spotting lol
main grove
Ok Iāve just read the TTK
mighty sierra
If they added a compass in the HUD then that would make it easier for players to communicate where the enemy is. RIP blueberries
midnight nimbus
it's worse than last year lol
solid hinge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/630125516296290314/645006155848089641/Screenshot_2019-11-15-21-55-14-1.png
Posted this on reddit but it got removed in 2 seconds lmfao
midnight nimbus
last year was only 0.85x
raw jewel
wait ranked servers are a thing???
broken hazel
NOBODY WANTED A TTK CHANGE SO WHY DOES DICE THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA TO "UPDATE" THE TTK THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE WHEN THERE ARE STILL BUGS IN THE GAME SINCE LAUNCH!??!!?!?!?!?!
raw jewel
i thought it was all casual
royal gull
It's not a TTK change
mighty sierra
@broken hazel facts
main grove
They need a CTE for this shit
solid hinge
@broken hazel Bruh, why fix tank hit detection etc when you can fuck up something people like
royal gull
Its adjusting the bullets to kill on a per weapon basis so crutch guns like the Suomi stop being overused
main grove
Rather than dump it onto people
If itās on a per weapon basis, I dunno still seems unneeded
mighty sierra
The suomi isnt even good compared to the full auto weapons in the assault class
icy sluice
Updates are too frequent for it to work yeah
broken hazel
@solid hinge it's DICE's specialty. To fuck something up that was working perfectly fine. It happens EVERY "UPDATE"
royal gull
They are also adjusting recoil to account for the greater margin of error with the higher bullet to kill
tight rain
Nothing better than when im about to get an easy headshot and the gun shoots the ground
royal gull
So you'll need more bullets with some guns but you'll also be more accurate
icy sluice
Gives me more time to headshot people when they're firing at me lol
royal gull
These changes will make it so slow firing weapons will be more practical at ranges where they previously got mowed down, while still making high RPM weapons practical choices at close range.
half wolf
Any word on anticheat improvements too?
royal gull
Semiauto and burst fire should rule medium-long ranges, bolt should rule long ranges, and full auto should rule close-medium ranges
solid hinge
I really find it funny how people always complained about pilots who got a fighter and would only fight other planes and would never help their ground team, but now when the ff came out everyone's like "pilots should stick to dogfighting and not bother the infantry"
main grove
I dunno I guess Iāll have to see what over changes they made to the weapons
They presented it horribly thatās for sure
They made it out like theyāre just gonna casually make every gun have like 1.7x more bullets to kill over range
royal gull
Think of it this way, at 50 meters if an M1 Garand user and an STG44 user went head to head, all other things equal, the STG44 user had a significant advantage. Now the M1 Garand user will have the advantage.
But you enter the 25 meter range and the STG44 user will regain the advantage.
midnight nimbus
> Think of it this way, at 50 meters if an M1 Garand user and an STG44 user went head to head, all other things equal, the STG44 user had a significant advantage. Now the M1 Garand user will have the advantage.
wat
the M1 Garand still has the considerable advantage here
3BTK at 300 or 360 RPM laserbeam
midnight nimbus
vs 5BTK at 600 RPM with spread and recoil
elder oracle
I really appreciate assault getting another new gadget, they just receive so few guns and gadgets
I was worried DICE forgot about the class
gray saffron
every class receives equal amount of guns so far though. gadgets on the other hand..
sturdy osprey
I just went 32 -16 with my zero bomber lol
half wolf
The cheating problem in this game is out of hand... just had a match on Iwo where everyone was getting instakilled the moment they spawned on the ships from this one dude
gray saffron
pause menu -> scoreboard -> click on the hacker's name -> profile -> report him through the origin tab. make sure to tell others in the servers to do that as well ;3
solid hinge
Ok guys for the people who still play hardline; got a question.
I'm about to start using the semi auto snipers (excluding the barret), which one from personal usage would you say is a good one to use?
half wolf
You do that, but I just get the vague feeling it ain't doing shit.
tight rain
Hmmm
raw jewel
Can we complain after the update drops, we may not even notice the differences on some of the weapons
tight rain
I probably wont notice
elder oracle
Changes seem minor, at least there's a nerf to Assault's guns a little bit
raw jewel
Fliegerfauz (whatever) nerf though is shaky
icy sluice
For a nerf, it's a decent nerf
half wolf
ok what the fuck, 3 different matches today have had the same aimbotter in them
midnight nimbus
well
FF nerf isn't exactly a nerf
because the range extension is rly big
if you can aim, it's a huge buff
half wolf
Making it more skill based to use.
Either way, TTK or not, DICE has gotta unfuck their cheating problem.
icy sluice
tmw people genuinely think that the 'spotting' is going to fuck up big flanks
formal valve
Holy shit
I had this bad feeling in class that something was coming
I guess that TTK change thing is it
icy sluice
All the spotting thing will change will have it so that you can see someone in a very dark corner wearing Nachtigall when you're looking at them
half wolf
I mean the TTK thing isn't gonna go over well, and I disagree with it, but this is far from what's gonna kill this game.
icy sluice
Also, it looks like it's going to be introduced alongside Community Games
Nothing is stopping people from changing damage values there
icy sluice
I don't mean with different guns
midnight nimbus
see in previous games, HC was done through a simple multiplier
icy sluice
Yeah that's what I meant
midnight nimbus
can't actually modify the file values
so if you slap a damage multi on what we're getting
icy sluice
I'm more focused on this burger on my plate rather tbh
midnight nimbus
you just get insane imbalance
with lower spread and recoil than what we currently have
dense bone
oooo we having TTK changed?!
icy sluice
yeah
dense bone
more btk?
icy sluice
yeah
midnight nimbus
shotgun kings rise up
icy sluice
lol
dense bone
considering shotguns are generally shit thats not a bad thing
simple canopy
guess we all came here after Jack's video
icy sluice
Sniper and SLR gang rise up