battlefield-legacy-titles

[unique thunder]

Love the Suomi

[jovial ether]

Hate the Suomi

[solid hinge]

poor mp34

[sage lagoon]

You still have to aim with a shotgun, you just have to aim differently

[solid hinge]

useless to have extra damage

[unique thunder]

what like, at them?

[sage lagoon]

If you don’t hit center mass with a shotgun, it’s hard to kill someone

[jovial ether]

^

[sage lagoon]

Even aiming slightly off center will fuck you over big time

[jovial ether]

yeah

[digital seal]

I missed the EXCITEMENT?

[jovial ether]

When Shotguns require more accuracy than a SMG

[sage lagoon]

With the drilling, sometimes I will hit both shots just a couple inches off center and won’t get the kill

[jovial ether]

and you dead

[sage lagoon]

Yep

[stoic breach]

Shotguns are just bad SMGs in BFV

Smh

Shotguns are fun but not very good

[sage lagoon]

Shotguns can be really good with practice

But only if you find them fun

[stoic breach]

Yeah with practice they're just more fun

But they definitely need buffs

[sage lagoon]

I think the drilling is fine where it is

[stoic breach]

They need to have more consistent damage/spread

Right now they're balanced as birdshot and not buckshot

[sage lagoon]

I’m pretty sure heavy load is buckshot

[solid hinge]

for how weak they are at range they arent good enough at up close

[stoic breach]

They fire like 30 pellets that do small amounts of damage

[solid hinge]

an smg can pass at range and still shred up close

[stoic breach]

The pellets add up to 100 damage

But the pellet spread can be really inconsistent

[sage lagoon]

Can we at least agree that the drilling is actually a glass cannon

Even the buckshot on the drilling has a really good range compared to the other shotguns

[stoic breach]

Thats cause the ADS spread is tighter

[sage lagoon]

I guess

Also shotguns are great for shooting down flares

[stoic breach]

Imo the right side of the drilling spec tree should be replaced with slugs

[sage lagoon]

Pull am I right

[stoic breach]

Because having the right side of the spec tree dedicated to the third barrel is stupid

Its a gimmick sniper, so why does it have actual sniper specs

[solid hinge]

Bad balancing

[stoic breach]

Yeah

Dicepls give drilling slug

And buff slugs to be 25m OHK

[solid hinge]

Give drilling 6x scope spec

[stoic breach]

Fuck

Slug

God damn it

Fucked my whole shit up

There I fixed it

[sage lagoon]

I actually really want them to give the drilling a longer range scope tho

[stoic breach]

It doesnt need one

Being a gimmick iron sight sniper is good enough

[solid hinge]

It could have that for right side specs

[stoic breach]

Drilling really needs slugs

[solid hinge]

Slugs + scope

bootleg triple barrel bolt

[stoic breach]

And 12g auto probably shouldn't have slugs

Although it might be alright

Idk, I miss 257rpm 12g auto from BF1 but whatevrr

But yeah, slings/swivels and heavy load/overpenetration should definitely just automatically be given to shotguns

[wide knoll]

Morning

[solid hinge]

''This is a War. And Things Happen in a war.'' -Cpt. Cole, Battlefield 3

[spiral remnant]

Bruh I'm tired of kids cheating in BF1, like the game is almost 3 years old

[dark sorrel]

Tbh why would you cheat in any Battlefield game

It's not like there's any competitive element to it

[spiral remnant]

There's this specific US guy who sits in eu servers and gets around 120 - 0 every game, also calls everyone a few specific racial slurs

[glad knot]

i just destroy a tank...

with fire grenade..

[young wing]

ig u were too hot to handle

[glad knot]

[young wing]

[solar vale]

Hey fuckers s

[young wing]

howdy y

[glad knot]

BF5 should add something like
1.Sneak behide a tank (need fire grenade equip)
2.Enter Enemy tank
3.Throw Fire grenade in

[solar vale]

Greater man

Your say

[glad knot]

and boom boom

[solar vale]

Look boys..i have drunk a little.so please don't mind

I mean no offense

[glad knot]

@solar vale so you defense?

[solar vale]

But I'll have your ass nevertheless

[glad knot]

but not offense?

[solar vale]

Defence?

[young wing]

that reminds me, i was playing GO again on Wednesday, and i was just running circles around this tank, i only died when a 2nd tank came and blew my ass up

[solar vale]

I play controlled offense

[young wing]

the tank i was running around couldn't do shit to me

[solar vale]

Mostly mg

[young wing]

imagine sneaking into an enemy tank and pretending you're one of the bois

[glad knot]

i respect the guy who never use automatico and SMG 08 in BF1 for kill

[young wing]

i have bf1 but rarely played online

not my fav time in history

and then theres ww2

[spiral remnant]

bruh the cheater is 18k score with 3 - 0 medic

[young wing]

just bc hes 3-0 doesn't mean he's cheating tho

prolly just reviving and healing ppl 24/7

[spiral remnant]

He's a known cheater

just saying

[young wing]

ah, my b

how's he cheat?

wallhacks?

[haughty pawn]

huh,18k is easy as medic if you don't go for active killing and just play full support for the team

[quasi aspen]

3-0 is a humble cheater lol

[young wing]

also, if hes a known cheater, wouldnt dice have banned em already

[spiral remnant]

He uses signal flare exploits

He also headshots you with artillery truck from 300m+ through smoke and several people at the same time even though they are on opposite sites?

Several vidoes on him also...

[shy badger]

lul

[solar vale]

Who talking bout

007?

[spiral remnant]

rekt urm in bf1

[digital totem]

How many planes can you have in the air in bfv

[hoary condor]

4-5 i think

[swift condor]

Too many

[hoary condor]

nah get on the flaks

more so on Pacific Theatre

Flaks are quite OP

have good range too

[digital totem]

That's not enough

I want more

The most I've seen is 6 in the air

If seems really sparce

[quasi aspen]

pull out flingerfaust, all planes gone

[digital totem]

:(

Not even realistic

[tacit eagle]

Its not supposed to be

I mean

You see pilots getting 5 or 6 kills per strafing run

[digital totem]

I can still be upset

[solar vale]

Flaks are fun

[tacit eagle]

So there has to be some more effective way of countering planes than sitting at spawn on an aa gun

[weak marsh]

Hi guys

[digital totem]

No there doesn't

Fligerfaust wasnt made till 1945

[echo turtle]

The AAs in bfv felt way more weaker than their bf1 counterparts

[solar vale]

@weak marshhowdy jim milton

[echo turtle]

They had prototypes before that afaik

[solar vale]

Hi Eugene

How's ya

[digital totem]

I just feel that there could be 10 planes in the air

[sturdy osprey]

Unfortunately even sitting at the spawn tactic isn't even effective. I destroyed today why my high explosive guns

[hoary condor]

Pacific Theatre flaks are hidden well enough from planes

[digital totem]

What kind of ww2 feild would have like 3 planes on either side

And a handful of tanks

It's understandable for ww1 but

[sturdy osprey]

Yes all infantry needs to do is go in mountain lol

[hoary condor]

but it's a game

not every map will be panzerstorm

[digital totem]

But bf4 had 4 tanks

[sturdy osprey]

I agree we should have 8 all together

[hoary condor]

i don't see vehicles as a problem tbf

[digital totem]

In bf4 there were as many as 10 combat vehichle on bf4

[sturdy osprey]

The waiting is lol

[digital totem]

Idk just seems SILLY

[shy badger]

In what sense

[sturdy osprey]

Dice just wants more infantry i guess

[hoary condor]

they will never win as everyone wants everything which will conflict with what everyone wants

[digital totem]

Well in WW2 battles vehicles were vital and they didn't just put 32 units with like 3 tanks

Well

Ig it's more of the fact that it could be more

3 is just so small

[shy badger]

We have maps with lots of tanks

Variety is important though

[digital totem]

And ik for a fact there were a lot more than 3 planes on either side in the Pacific

[weak marsh]

@solar vale

[digital totem]

Ig that it doesn't fufil my impossible Company of heros 2 but battlefield standard

[solid hinge]

10 planes a side would leave no one on the ground

[hybrid dock]

its called balancing

[digital totem]

@hybrid dock I don't like it

[young wing]

50 planes per side

[hybrid dock]

at the end of the day, this is a video game. made for entertainment and not for historical doumentary

[digital totem]

@solid hinge there could be a think like Midway and having everyone in a plane

[sturdy osprey]

I was killing dudes sitting at AA spawn with my zero high explosives. just insane how easy killing got.

[digital totem]

@hybrid dock you make a fair point

[junior vale]

The power curve for 20mm is non existant

Stock 20mm fire blanks

[sturdy osprey]

I agree

[hybrid dock]

I know people want more out of games

but game engines can only handle so much

[junior vale]

Explosive 20mm have j-dam load

[sturdy osprey]

High lol

[digital totem]

Bfv just feels like bf1 tbh

[hybrid dock]

frostbite wasn't built on the bases of like, 100 vs 100 with like 20 planes and shit

[digital totem]

Woah

Thatd be neat

[solid hinge]

I'd support a plane only mode but it ain't here yet

[hybrid dock]

Go play arma

[solid hinge]

I think stock 20mms do more damage to planes

[digital totem]

You go play arma

[sturdy osprey]

So are you saying WWII feels like WW1
You sir are expelled

[hybrid dock]

Go have infinite number of units on both sides

[digital totem]

@sturdy osprey not at all

[hybrid dock]

I have played arma

I have over 2000 hours in amra 2 and 3 combined

[digital totem]

Bf1 was like ww2

But ww1

[young wing]

for plane only play World of Warplanes good substitute

[digital totem]

@young wing war thunder is neat

[young wing]

[digital totem]

@young wing

[sturdy osprey]

Does anyone here feel like a dick weed using the high explosives on infantry from an aerial view?

[hybrid dock]

because frostbite isn't open source

[young wing]

[sturdy osprey]

Lol

[hybrid dock]

we have no idea what the limit of the engine is

[young wing]

or do we 👀

[digital totem]

Be cool if we did

[hybrid dock]

DICE could already be hitting the limit

[digital totem]

Make frostbite 4

[hybrid dock]

easier said than done

[young wing]

i don't want bf6 to be delayed any longer Collin

[sturdy osprey]

[digital totem]

we have enough bf games for now

And they still active

[young wing]

there's never enough bf games

[digital totem]

Modern people got 4 ww1 people got 1 and WW2 people got v and weirdos have hardline

[young wing]

what about the 100 years war ppl :(

[digital totem]

Musket bf when

[haughty pawn]

i love planes,sometimes that much that i dream of them when im fliegerfausting them down

[sturdy osprey]

And dinosaurs got Raptor

[solid hinge]

I want hardline 2

[junior vale]

Ew no

[young wing]

do u get points for successfully killing someone via suicide bombing

[digital totem]

Bf1 2 when

[sturdy osprey]

I don't know if you can

[haughty pawn]

doubt it

plane crashes 1 meter in front of me,nothing happens lul

[digital totem]

Bf great Congo war 2 when

[sage lagoon]

I think you can get a kill from it if you roadkill them

[young wing]

BF Cold War when

[hybrid dock]

if we take the source engine for example, because this engine is open source and has been around for a long time. it was released in 2004 and had many major updates to the engine over the years including source 2006 and 2007. only in 2015 did valve announce source 2. game engines take time. look at call of duty, or even arma

[sturdy osprey]

Tbh I'm glad you can't because that would be annoying af

[haughty pawn]

but for a roadkill you have to like run them over rather than crash down ?

[digital totem]

@young wing that's bf4

Cold war part 2

[sage lagoon]

You can’t just have a game about the Cold War

[digital totem]

Black ops 1

[young wing]

What about Bf Great Emu War

[sage lagoon]

It wouldn’t make sense unless it’s fictional

[digital totem]

You're fictional

[young wing]

No u

[digital totem]

Bf Vietnam 2 when

[buoyant fossil]

we need a cold war bf

[sage lagoon]

Now that’s something I can get behind

Bf VIetnam

[buoyant fossil]

EM-2s Chieftains, leos,T-72s

[digital totem]

Bf cold war featuring veitnam, Korea, Iran, Afganistán and other unpopular wars

[buoyant fossil]

so much to do

central America

[young wing]

How about Battlefield: Hor-Aha's Nubia Campaign

[buoyant fossil]

Bosnia

[digital totem]

Central América always at war

[buoyant fossil]

Yugoslavic wars

[sage lagoon]

I dunno I think a multiplayer video game sporting wars from a bunch of different decades would be a clusterfuck

[digital totem]

Bf ww3 when

[young wing]

2030 @digital totem

[buoyant fossil]

it's the cold war

[young wing]

[buoyant fossil]

most were just proxy wars

[digital totem]

Bf civil war when

[buoyant fossil]

Battle of Gettysburg

[haughty pawn]

bf with the ww3 (the alpha game on steam) setting would be awesome

[digital totem]

Bf china when

[young wing]

Bf Downfall of Babylonian Ideologies when?

[solid hinge]

futuristic ww2

[buoyant fossil]

LEVOLLUTION WITH ROBERT E LEE SHOOTING LINCOLN

[digital totem]

Bf Rome when

[solid hinge]

tiger but it's a mecha

[sage lagoon]

I wanna see a bf that just takes a shit ton of weapons from different eras of time and shoves them all into one game

[solid hinge]

garand shoots laser beams

[digital totem]

No

Yes

[autumn bane]

Ag m42 with fast strafe over the garand any day 👀

[young wing]

Bf 1st Global Freezing?

[buoyant fossil]

Cold war bf when?

Garand with box mag when?

oh wait that's a m14

[young wing]

BF ice age Featuring homosapien dlc when?

[buoyant fossil]

bf5 with naval battles when?

[young wing]

Bf War against Whales when?

[hoary condor]

battlefield primal when?

[buoyant fossil]

iowa would glitch through the map because of how long she is

[haughty pawn]

bf vs cod when?

[young wing]

Battlefield: Global environment VS the first human

[weak marsh]

I wanna a Battlefield located during the Napoleonic Wars

[young wing]

Bf: invasion of Raetia when?

[junior vale]

Battlefield revolution, where its a bunch of different liberation wars instead of straight up global powers

[solid hinge]

That would be cool

[young wing]

Battlefield: Industrial Revolution

[junior vale]

I like US vs other big bad but it would be cool fo fight get another prespective kinda like mw

[hoary condor]

Battlefield: Financial Crisis

[solid hinge]

Battlefield: Great Depression

[haughty pawn]

bf impeachment

[young wing]

Battlefield US vs US , The Modern Civil War

[solid hinge]

Republicans VS Democrats

[young wing]

anti guns vs pro guns

[buoyant fossil]

battlefield:Spanish American war

krag and Spanish kars

[solid hinge]

The White House would make a cool map actually

[junior vale]

No memes tho something like freedom fighters vs colonial spain france etc

[young wing]

Battlefield: The quest for the declaration of Independence

[solid hinge]

Battlefield: Battle For The Alamo

[young wing]

featuring Nick Cage as Playable DLC character

[buoyant fossil]

battlefield:westward expansion

Little big horn

[junior vale]

Yall still remember battlefield 3 animation showcase?

[buoyant fossil]

trail of tears

[young wing]

Battlefield, the colonization of Africa

[buoyant fossil]

battlefield: opium wars

[junior vale]

More like battlefield, colonial countries get rekt

[young wing]

Battlefield BC: Pangaea

[buoyant fossil]

battlefield jurassic park

[young wing]

Battlefield but if you die you gotta buy a new copy

[buoyant fossil]

WHAT

[zenith smelt]

Battl€fi€ld?

[buoyant fossil]

YO THAT WOULD BE LIKE REALLY GOOD PROFIT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

sell it to Africa

[young wing]

Battlefield EU: Brexit

[lavish raptor]

l

[young wing]

@buoyant fossilwhich one

[buoyant fossil]

@young wing ALL

[solid hinge]

HEY FELLOW BATTLEFIELDERS

[young wing]

what, i mean the games not Africa lol

[buoyant fossil]

Battlefield:British colonize

oh

[young wing]

Battlefield but if you win a match you get drafted into the US military MiniK

[regal river]

real life but all wars are fought in battlefield

[buoyant fossil]

battlefield but you get put on the black market if you lose

[young wing]

Battlefield but with Supersonic Aerobatic Rocket-Powered Battle-Cars

[regal river]

battlefield but my parents arent disapointed in me

[still dove]

New! from te fascist ethnostate that brought you the Panzerfaust™ and the fliegerfaust™ The Leutefaust™!

its just a regular gun for shooting people

[muted socket]

i tried sniping yesterday and it was quite satisfying

[gloomy jungle]

plane fist

[spiral remnant]

Are lmg campers a big annoyance in bf v?

[buoyant fossil]

no assault is the biggest annoyance

[dense bone]

define annoying

mmg campers are annoying since they can delete you quickly, but you can normally go to the same spot and kill them

assault are generally good at killing but dont provide much else

so if youre playing a class outside of assault you are likely to lose the fight if equal skill level

but thats fair because thats all assault provides, while all 3 other classes contribute outside of kills to get a win

its just being a shooter and people being simpletons they directly relate winning with getting kills

[regal river]

assault provides anti tank stuff bruh

[dense bone]

which is essentially killing

[gray saffron]

just be francis of l4d and hate everything. "i hate shotguns, i hate mmgers, i hate planes with 20mm explosive rounds, i hate dynamite throwers" just don't hate vests.

[dense bone]

and the way 90% of tanks are played an assault isnt getting near them

[gray saffron]

"what about resupply stations, dad?" we don't go there, Simba, my young assault trainnee. Tanks have set up camp there.

[jovial ether]

OH! we came back to ranting on Assault players? 😮

mah gawd

each day the same rant

blyatiful

[gray saffron]

has bolties been discussed yet today? or that smgs don't fit on medics argument? 😄

[solid hinge]

The only good part of resupply stations is that you can shoot them with a gun to blow them up

[jovial ether]

We have discussed SMGs, with one guy saying that a Sten is basically the same as a Type 100

[shy badger]

Explosive barrels take way too many bullets to explode

[regal river]

i threw c4 on a resupply station while retreating and it didnt do shit lkdfjhdshjlds

[shy badger]

Dice should really nerf their hp

Dice plz

[solid hinge]

Shoot the big propane tank a few times

That's the thing that busts the station

[gray saffron]

i like that they have ammo resupply now too. sneak up, grab your third dynamite and then pop it up on the repairing tank next to it

[shy badger]

(Talking about the red explosive barrels in op underground btw)

Seriously though, why do they take so many rounds to explode

[jovial ether]

Because bullets dont catch fire

[solid hinge]

They blow up slowly once they start burning

[gray saffron]

good question, they should just pop the moment you fire one or two rounds

[solid hinge]

Leaving them to fester is fun

[shy badger]

I had a gunfight where a guy decided to hide behind one of them

I thought I was clever by shooting them

[jovial ether]

fun fact, bullets dont really ignite fossil fuels 🤷‍♂️

[shy badger]

Turns out I was not

[gray saffron]

:<

[shy badger]

Luckily my teammate saved me but still

A fact that pretty much everyone knows by now

But game logic means shooting red barrels=explosions

[gray saffron]

but red barrels in videogames usually equals boom and not realism though, kitten ;D

[jovial ether]

They should add tracer rounds 🤔

[gray saffron]

dont guns already fire off tracer rounds?

[jovial ether]

nope

well

yes and nope

[versed dirge]

hello

anyone up for some bfv?

[jovial ether]

We have "tracer" bullets by game design, they arent really real tracer bullets

[versed dirge]

am bored with no squad comms....

[gray saffron]

@versed dirge #lfg-xbox #lfg-pc #lfg-playstation if you're looking for people to squad up with ;3

[jovial ether]

#lfg-pc

[versed dirge]

PC

[shy badger]

Region?

[versed dirge]

where you at? 😄

probably will redirect me to europe

[shy badger]

I was thinking about playing some RDR2 but I can add you if you wanna play later

EU too

[versed dirge]

sweet

done

❤️

[gray saffron]

i might join casually, since i already got blackout on origin ;D

[jovial ether]

I want explosive rats in BFV

and Anti Tank Dogs

or Goliath track mines

[versed dirge]

lol

MODDERS!

[jovial ether]

AND BAT BOMBS!

Actually bat bombs would be sweet imo

If you are a attacking team, send bat bombs to an objective, literally to take out buildings

I think that was a genius creations.

Just put bats with C4 in a area, they will fly into attics and chimneys, press the trigger BOOM no more houses

[gray saffron]

did they really use live bat bombs though? the rats were usually already dead and strewn around railroads or whatever

[nova cedar]

LUNGE MINE

LUNGE MINE

YOOOO

[raw orbit]

support gets lunge mine

no more dropping suicide at mines

now i get real suicide mines

[sage lagoon]

Wait really?

Support is getting the lunge mine?

[raw orbit]

and assault

[sage lagoon]

Both get it?

That is awesome

[lapis hare]

community games

24/7 underground

[sage lagoon]

I was so hoping support would get it

[solid hinge]

uh oh

3d spotting is back

[sage lagoon]

Is it next weeks tow?

[solid hinge]

thanks to all the dumbos who cant see shit

[gray saffron]

omg, isch good

patch

[lapis hare]

but 3d spotting isn't really back xd

[gray saffron]

eh, it's only 3d spotting for close range, that's fine imo

[raw orbit]

so they literally gave up on visibility

[gray saffron]

now i just hope they revert all the brightened colours since doritoes are back xD

[solid hinge]

this is bad

because ya'll cant pixel snipe

[nova cedar]

‘How do I know when I’m Spotted?’. So we’ve added a new UI element that will appear above the Minimap (which will also be highlighted whilst spotted)

oh wow that sucks

[sage lagoon]

That’s disgusting

I hate this

The player acquisition

It’ll make it so much harder to flank people

[solid hinge]

other than that

I really like the tank angles

actually wait

the 'player acquisition' is clientside only

[sage lagoon]

I know

[rose pilot]

https://i.petersmk2.com/pxLmQUqF17.png 😄

[raw orbit]

👁️

[sage lagoon]

But from what I can tell, that could mean visual cover could be useless

[solid hinge]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sage lagoon]

At close range

[solid hinge]

WHAT HAVE THEY DONE

THEY RUINED BATTLEFIELD

[rose pilot]

Calm down lol

[solid hinge]

i'm shitposting

It shouldnt be that bad

[shy badger]

Hehehe

[solid hinge]

i hope

Support gets lunge mine?

[shy badger]

I guess i won on that one @solid hinge

[sage lagoon]

Ye

[solid hinge]

Is that.. a compass?

oh nice now I can call out degrees

[gloomy jungle]

[gray saffron]

wehraboo at 125!

[solid hinge]

tank at 175

[wooden parrot]

Its spidy senses

😂

[raw orbit]

new proximity doritos break recon spotting

[solid hinge]

okay wait to clarify

the proximity spotting is only clientside

so it's not so bad

[gray saffron]

yeah it's only for you that the spotting happens at closerange. to spot for your team, you need gadgets

[solid hinge]

I never understood visibility issues

but it's ok tbh

They're buffing fliegerfaust

[rose pilot]

Spotting changes https://youtu.be/kvmVX-Al_kM

[solid hinge]

[gray saffron]

and it isn't shown on your minimap i think

so it's not really spotting. just making it clear that yes, that piece of rubble is a mmger

[solid hinge]

so it seems smoke negates all spotting

thats actually neat

[gray saffron]

that already did that though

[solid hinge]

oh

[nova cedar]

shake my head

[solid hinge]

Spotting imo was never really used in BF1

like

I've never used it

[nova cedar]

theres no point in spotting now

because they'd just hide

[solid hinge]

and its because they design the soldiers to stick out somewhat in BF1

that's an example of good asthetic design gone right imo

what the hell are these damage changes

[gray saffron]

spotting will still be useful. since it spots people from far. you only spot the people in close range and they wn't show up on your map. you won't see the guy behind a wall with no flares etc

[solid hinge]

they've nerfed all the autos

[midnight nimbus]

@solid hinge tfw I told everyone

no one believed me

who's ready for triple the Fliegerfaust range 😬😬😬

[solid hinge]

what the FUCK

[soft storm]

LMAO THEYRE INCREASING ITS RANGE

THEYRE ACTUAL IDIOTS HAHAHA

[midnight nimbus]

oh yeah it can hit orbital bombers now

it's actually a really good change

[soft storm]

OH MY LOOORD

[solid hinge]

handheld flak cannons in ww2

[soft storm]

BRUH IT ALREADY HAS BETTER RANGE THAN MOST STATIONARIES

[midnight nimbus]

not being sarcastic or anything, this is what it should've been from day one

[solid hinge]

what have they done to my trench carbine

kht stop

[midnight nimbus]

wait until you see the upcoming Japanese SMG :)))))))

[solid hinge]

At this rate the commando carbine will be not shit

why are the medic carbines so bad

like

[soft storm]

THEYRE SO OUT OF TOUCH ITS INSANE

[solid hinge]

they're actually bad

[soft storm]

Nobody thought the autos were insane?

[solid hinge]

STG44 is now a 5btk from 0 metres

make them like the sniper carbines at least

[midnight nimbus]

bolt actions are competitive now 😬

[solid hinge]

YES

[idle breach]

oh

[solid hinge]

ITS MY TIME

[idle breach]

fuckin

[solid hinge]

TO SHINE

[raw orbit]

t. ignoring half of the changes to the ff

[idle breach]

they are adding the angle of attack

nice idea, but I worry it would end up massive unbalance like

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge arent you a pilot tho

[idle breach]

the shapes...

[solid hinge]

mg42 goes from 4 - 6 btk to 6 - 13 btk

[idle breach]

and that makes howitzer more badder

[solid hinge]

what in the actual fuck

13 bullets?

From the mg42?

[idle breach]

no

[solid hinge]

13 whole fucking bullets?

[idle breach]

it becoming 6 from 13

[solid hinge]

ah nic

[idle breach]

isn't it?

[raw orbit]

mg42 already feels like shit dps wise idk why maybe i have bad aim

m1922 my babe

[solid hinge]

No

the mg42 you need to conserve ammo alot

They're nerfing them

[idle breach]

oh FUCK

[solid hinge]

All of them

wait WHAT

[idle breach]

FUCK i read it as 6.0 / 5.2

[solid hinge]

wait what do those numbers mean

im stupid

someone help me

[idle breach]

we're gonna have another bf1 that's what it means

[raw orbit]

nerf long range mg42
encourage more corner prone mg42s

[solid hinge]

: |

lord have mercy

[raw orbit]

turner will reign supreme

[solid hinge]

I imagine it will also get nerfed

[raw orbit]

no not my turner

✊

[solid hinge]

M1a1 carbine is getting dunked on

Prepare for 4btk Turner

TANK BUFFS

They nerfing the m1 grand

and the knowledge that 1 damage ricochets were apparently a bug

???

why in the name of god did they always,always, always do 1 damage if they were a bug

Please don't tell me there touching it

It's perfect

[midnight nimbus]

everything is getting nerfed

except for bolt actions and shotguns

and sidearms maybe

[jovial ether]

Nerf BFV

-70% movement speed!

5m crouch animation!

[solid hinge]

bolties and boys rise UP

[jovial ether]

Realistic 4min reloading !

[solid hinge]

Good luck doing fucking anything to a sniper now

[idle breach]

oh fuck

don't touch TTK please like

[solid hinge]

With your 13btk gun

[idle breach]

don't they got tons of things to do

[solid hinge]

[idle breach]

like jesus fuck

13btk? why even bother fucking shooting

[solid hinge]

Doesnt matter that the bolts have baseball velocity if the enemy literally cant hurt you

[jovial ether]

So let me get this straight. Snipers will be more annoying now?

[lavish raptor]

ok what

whats getting fucked

[idle breach]

fucking bulletsponge warfare flashback

[lavish raptor]

and whats getting buffed

[idle breach]

everyone getting fucked

[solid hinge]

every gun is getting fucked

these are the examples they gave

[lavish raptor]

english

please

[solid hinge]

orange is old blue is new

[idle breach]

fuck

[solid hinge]

red is average engagement range

[idle breach]

FUCK

FFFFFFFFFUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKK

[solid hinge]

you can place 6 AT mines now

they bust components better but do less damage

[nova cedar]

STG44 NERF

[jovial ether]

OMG

[nova cedar]

YAA

[pastel lion]

Didnt they try doing this earlier?

[jovial ether]

they are even nerfing the absolute trash Trench Carabine? xD

[nova cedar]

also holy shit people are just gonna stack the mines

thats so stupid wtf

[lavish raptor]

so

wwhats good

[nova cedar]

not this update for sure

[lavish raptor]

ok let me rephrase

what gun si good

whats new meta

[solid hinge]

they're nerfing literally everything from the looks of it

[nova cedar]

nothing

knives are the only things that stayed safe

[solid hinge]

not touching bolts or bolt carbines or AT rifles

[nova cedar]

so knife meta

[jovial ether]

New meta would be snipers

[solid hinge]

probably not gonna touch shotguns

[jovial ether]

wow

well fuck

xD

not gonna lie, some weapons did indeed need a nerf! but nerfing everything at once is stupid

[idle breach]

it just means

[soft storm]

They’re making MMG’s have 10 bullets to kill at range

Lmao

[idle breach]

tank and planes are more dominating the rouynd

okay I get it

[jovial ether]

So back to square one, before FF

[idle breach]

I now got the reason why dice is doing this

[nova cedar]

they gotta make it so enemy airfields are out of bounds

[idle breach]

nerfing every gun

[nova cedar]

so you cant just AT mine it

[lavish raptor]

oh

[nova cedar]

its so aids

[lavish raptor]

so theyre making this game bf1

[idle breach]

no

[lavish raptor]

and removing all sense of freedom in gunplay

huh

[idle breach]

this is dice's anti-cheat measure

to make hackers less effective

[jovial ether]

[lavish raptor]

if thats coming from a source

[idle breach]

and we should just steamroll the enemy if we got a good tanker and pilot

[lavish raptor]

and isnt hearsay

they are braindead

[idle breach]

because infantry got fuckguns now

[lavish raptor]

hur dur nerf game to nerf hacker

[idle breach]

this is my theory

[lavish raptor]

that is literally the dumbest statement ive ever heard

[idle breach]

and respect my I'm a professional conspiracy theorist

[lavish raptor]

youre a professional dumb ass if thats your theory

im certified pissed off now

[idle breach]

at least I'm professional

[lavish raptor]

that is true

💯

[solid hinge]

It looks like

the guns that shoot faster

[idle breach]

yeah this is DICE anticheat

[solid hinge]

are significantly shitter at range

[idle breach]

so

they're basically

[solid hinge]

while the guns that shoot slower arent as shit at range

[idle breach]

buffing the SAR again

lol

is dice selling some semi auto rifles ?????? wtf

[lavish raptor]

no cap

[jovial ether]

I literally made a meme for Dice rn

[lavish raptor]

if they make guns baseline bullshit and remove all meta

im going back to rust

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solid hinge]

The semis look like they're getting slapped too

Look at the m1a1

[idle breach]

300rpm/360rpm would be better even if get nerfed

and the gun with small magazines like ag m/42 would just be trashgun

[solid hinge]

wait

[idle breach]

if they really do this and it don't go well I'll fucking quit

[solid hinge]

Are they gonna nerf the AA guns on the LVT

[low totem]

no

[idle breach]

no

told ya, this is anti-cheat measure

[solid hinge]

Or are the LVT guns gonna be ridiculously good while all the guns suck

[idle breach]

LVT AA is a role of anti-cheater now lol

[sage lagoon]

I hope the drilling doesn’t get slammed

[midnight nimbus]

pretty sure vehicle weaponry won't be nerfed

[sage lagoon]

That’s dumb

[soft storm]

I’m gonna e honest dice is out of touch

[lavish raptor]

they been out of touch

tf you mean

[soft storm]

I think the spotting changes will work well enough but buffing the FF range and nerfing TTK?

[sage lagoon]

I’m questioning the detection system

[soft storm]

Why haven’t they buffed mobile and stationary AA’s yet?

[lavish raptor]

its the fucking dolphin bitch

[sage lagoon]

What

What does a dolphin have to do with any of this

[solar blaze]

the fucking dolphin

[lavish raptor]

yeah

[solar blaze]

🐬

[sage lagoon]

Wha- what?

[idle breach]

i just got response from partwelsh

[lavish raptor]

so

before we get RSP or grind servers

we getting the game diluted

[idle breach]

1. is the guns getting worse BTK in overall? that's kinda shitty. I thought players enjoyed faster gunplay in general, especially compared to BF1.

2. so no rebalance/rework on any european contents happening in near future? it's bit out of context but well..

3. can we please have at least 4 same gender soldiers? since you locked the cosmetics by character, which I didnt liked but understandable having only 6 character is kinda bit too small. can we at least just copy each one from british/german ones?

4. mechanisms about angle of attack sounds great but what about the balance? some tanks are clearly more 'flat' while others being better shape in sense of angle of attack. are we getting some modified(looks complicated but actually calculated as flat) hitbox? and what about the howitzer, HESH rounds or things kinda would not make a glanced hit?

was my question

[lavish raptor]

who gave dice a fuck load of ket

[idle breach]

1. Each gun is being targeted differently. Expect some of them to become more specialized and others to fill different roles

2. Update 5.2 is bigger than what's outlined here.

3. I've shared this feedback with the team

4. The different sizes of tanks are balanced differently - full details will be shared in the update notes early next month

[lavish raptor]

IM THE FUCKIN DOLPHIN

[idle breach]

was his annswer

[lavish raptor]

I AM AWESOME

[idle breach]

at least we can expect better than baddest

i mean

[sage lagoon]

Ok

[idle breach]

gooder than baddest

they're treating guns differently okay

[sage lagoon]

So they did a shitty job of explaining themselves?

[lavish raptor]

so what theyre saying is

big changes to big roles

that are un needed

cool

cant wait to train my muscle memory

jk going to rust

[soft storm]

Is that a picture of Donda West

[lavish raptor]

YES

[soft storm]

[lavish raptor]

HAHAHHAHA

[soft storm]

YE

LMAO

[sage lagoon]

Oh god

[lavish raptor]

SOMEONE FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT

[soft storm]

It’s Kanye’s mom of course I recognize her

[idle breach]

yeah

[lavish raptor]

im in oklahoma

[gray glade]

dice WTF

[lavish raptor]

so i might visit her grave

[sage lagoon]

It’s not that no one figured out, it’s that we knew what would happen when someone pointed it out

[lavish raptor]

fuck it

[idle breach]

she would be the mother of the president of america in 2024 right?

i heard kanye is gonna be the president

[soft storm]

If Kanye does run lmao

[royal gull]

I'm liking these changes

[idle breach]

I wish he would

[sage lagoon]

@gray glade don’t worry they just did a shitty job of explaining themselves

[royal gull]

Especially the enemy icon thing and the spotted alert

[idle breach]

I mean, I don't really like his recent albums but he was really really genius with his early albums

[gray glade]

am i not understanding the mg42 nerf?

[sage lagoon]

I’m not liking the enemy icon thing

[idle breach]

early kanye is the one of the best

[soft storm]

JIK is shit but Yandhi is goat

[idle breach]

so we can expect similar

[soft storm]

The leaks are much better

[idle breach]

like

[gray glade]

thats not what im getting at

[lavish raptor]

i love JIK

[royal gull]

Does less damage at range but has a better recoil and fire rate @gray glade

[lavish raptor]

kanye first rapper to get me into rap lmao

[idle breach]

he would make a solid... like 3yr president? at least

[sage lagoon]

I like the idea of seeing an icon when you are looking directly at an enemy, but not just when you’re near them

[gray glade]

13 bullets to kill someone up to 100m?

[royal gull]

#general if you want to talk about that dumbass

[gray glade]

from 6

[lavish raptor]

they doin donuts in the tractor

[idle breach]

I mean, making music is not that different with running an administration right

[lavish raptor]

they got a bentley tractor

[idle breach]

aaaaaaaa this game is ruined

[gray glade]

why would they DOUBLE the bullets to kill for the mg42

[idle breach]

they didnt gave us the reason

[royal gull]

Guns made for medium and close engagements were too deadly at long ranges

[idle breach]

why are the ykeep messing up with TTK

[gray glade]

its not even the best mmg atm

why are they nerfing that gun in particular so hard

[royal gull]

Long ranges are for semi-autos and bolt actions

[idle breach]

so korney I asked partwelsh

[lavish raptor]

so give me a tldr

[idle breach]

is the guns getting worse BTK in overall? that's kinda shitty. I thought players enjoyed faster gunplay in general, especially compared to BF1.

and he responded

[lavish raptor]

are comp sweats like me

[idle breach]

Each gun is being targeted differently. Expect some of them to become more specialized and others to fill different roles

[lavish raptor]

goling to be nerfed

and exiled

?

[idle breach]

think they're making guns like

near-unusable like bf1? wtf

[gray glade]

does dice even use the mg42

[midnight nimbus]

> "comp sweats"
> BFV

[lavish raptor]

kht dont talk to me

[sage lagoon]

Holy shit I read the graphs wrong

[gray glade]

i dont think they ever played with it at all

[midnight nimbus]

I've seen most of the damage curves and they're just lol tier

bro just run shotguns

[sage lagoon]

What the actual fuck

[coral fiber]

"We’re also starting our work on similar Angles of Attack changes to Airplanes and we’ll share more details on that as we get closer to achieving our goals here."
👀

[midnight nimbus]

or bolt actions

[lavish raptor]

they are literally bf1ing this game

holy fuck

[coral fiber]

Community broadcast looks interesting

[royal gull]

These changes seem good

[idle breach]

idunno

nobody liked BF1 because of its TTK

[royal gull]

It's annoying to get melted by an SMG or AR at long ranges while running a semiauto

[sage lagoon]

I thought the distance was from left to right and the y axis was billet damage

Holy shit this is going to fuck up everything

[lavish raptor]

pm me welsh response @idle breach

[idle breach]

it was a good game but it's like saying people loved COD because of main menu design

[royal gull]

Now it seems that if you run a semiauto and engage at long ranges you'll win

[lavish raptor]

is breda being nerfed

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 TTK wasn't even that slow

not compared to this 😂😂😂

[sage lagoon]

@idle breach is there any other reason to love cod?

[lavish raptor]

cause currently breda is the best skilled weapon in the game

skill oriented*

[idle breach]

uh

i dunno

like

uh

[royal gull]

They are also adjusting recoil and fire rates to balance out the bullet damage changes

[idle breach]

the logo looks cool

cewl

[royal gull]

So the Thompson will probably have less recoil than before

[idle breach]

It's fair feedback, and as I've volunteered in the post above, it come under our umbrella of Operation Sandbox. We're not keen on just dropping in content and moving on with our lives. We'll review this against the Plans that brought us to implementing this feature, and check it against our safeguards. If it's breaking too many of our own rules, we'll review our implementation and adjust appropriately.

The important thing for us is that ALL players get to interact with the systems in a live environment (as we have been doing internally for the past month as we built it out). Keen to hear more from folks when this comes into the game next month.

partwelsh reply

One of our safeguards against this is how it keeps the Battlefield as more than just one frontline. If we see this change negatively impacting players abilities to play the game in all manner of styles then we'll review and react to that after the feature has gone live into the game.

again

I can appreciate it's tough to appropriately judge how the experience will change in 5.2 without going hands on. What's been developed for this update isn't in line with the changes that were proposed last year.

What's been targeted here is the effective damage of the guns at long ranges. The common engagement range is at or below 22M, and for the most part there's a bullet difference on most weapons in and around that area. When coupled with the changes to recoil and rate of fire that we're making, it's not affecting TTK in the same manner that was proposed last year.

What is changed is how much damage is suffered at longer ranges (except for Sniper Rifles which were balanced more recently). Players who are engaged at longer ranges will find that they have more time to react, unless the player attacking them is continuing to target for Headshots.

For the absolute majority of engagements in and around the objective, the gameplay experience isn't being heavily adjusted.

in short, they're making specific gun does better and shitter in their 'intended range'

[coral fiber]

Aight boutta use my tiger again

[idle breach]

and in more short, they're making bf1

[royal gull]

I don't see how

[idle breach]

bf1 guns acted like they're just a stick some metal things making noisy sound when little bit out of its intended range

[midnight nimbus]

dude BF1 damage models are pretty similar to BFV before this change lol

[idle breach]

oh yeah but

isnt it because not damage but

like accuracy and shit but

[lavish raptor]

man im actually pissed

[nova cedar]

at least we have a month to enjoy bf5 until it gets ruined

[lavish raptor]

are they pissing on the suomi too?

[nova cedar]

NO NOT MUH SUOMI

[idle breach]

anyway they're making making guns more useful in intended range and not useful in non intended range like

[royal gull]

You shouldn't be able to be successful with an SMG past medium ranges

[idle breach]

yeah but not like in bf1 level

[midnight nimbus]

Suomi and Thompson have the same damage model

so yeah

it sucks

[lavish raptor]

...

MW came out and failed at ending bfv

[idle breach]

I agree on that but NOT LIKE BF1 like when you meet an assault with SMG, having SMG and both of you just dump the whole mag and each one goes "okay sir have a good day"

[coral fiber]

Soo uhhh in a nutshell the TTK time is being lowered?

[lavish raptor]

its like they are trying to comp for there own success

what the fuck is this company

literally trying to lose money

[half dagger]

I have a question...why is reticle customization not a thing in BFV?

[lavish raptor]

it doesnt make sense

[idle breach]

"this is too long for us to engage, you sir have a nice day"

[sage lagoon]

So the mg42 is gonna be a close range weapon now?

[royal gull]

There is like no reason to use anything other than the STG44, Ribeyrolles/Sturmgewehr, Suomi/Thompson/MP40, or Lewis Gun

[idle breach]

nothing made any sense in bfv

[sage lagoon]

How does that make any sense

[idle breach]

stop trying to find a sense

[midnight nimbus]

literally just snipe and shotgun lmao

[sage lagoon]

It just encourages more camping

[idle breach]

yeah like bf1

[coral fiber]

I'm looking forward to the tank changes and spotting changes

[lavish raptor]

this is embarassing

im out

[idle breach]

no

[royal gull]

Now you should be able to use more of a wide gamut of weapons without fighting the game

[idle breach]

no

no kanye mom

you go ask kanye to buy DICE

please

[lavish raptor]

fine

[gray saffron]

@coral fiber TTK being raised, not lowered ;D we require more bullets at longer ranges. seems close range is still the same though

[coral fiber]

Are y'all just mad because you can't insta kill anymore

Ok

[idle breach]

we just fucking have every soldier yeezys but keep the TTK please kanye mom

[lavish raptor]

12 years 5 days ago i died

put some respect on me

😦

[idle breach]

just respawn

hahaha

[gray saffron]

imma just gonna wait, till the bomb hits and see how it plays. ttk change during launch was terrible cause it raised ttk for every range. this just changes it for higher range. might still feel good 🤷‍♀️

[idle breach]

because it was intended to use in "trench":

[sage lagoon]

Multiplayer games are significantly less fun when people become bullet sponges

[idle breach]

and no othe places

[royal gull]

I'm not sure why the Trench Carbine is being touched

[coral fiber]

Atleast im done with my carbine

Fully golden

[royal gull]

But I'm glad that semiauto rifles will be more viable now

[idle breach]

imagine when two recons meet each other with trench carbine over 50m

[sage lagoon]

I hope the drilling stays the same

The drilling is completely fine where it is

It’s perfect

Please

It’s my baby

[idle breach]

it's classic bf1 "oh, an enemy. oh, we both have too short-ranged gun. good day to ya sir" again

[midnight nimbus]

yeah shotguns untouched

[gray saffron]

shotties dont seem to be changed. neither are bolties

[coral fiber]

Fliegerfaust nerfed 🤣

More skill to use

[idle breach]

hahaha

[sage lagoon]

I thought they said they are touching shotguns

[coral fiber]

Thank god

[royal gull]

It's funny, after the Op Underground only servers went away I stopped having success with the Trench Carbine

[idle breach]

oh yeah me too

[royal gull]

Not a nerf for the Fliegerfaust

[idle breach]

trench carbine was kinda niece gun

niche

[royal gull]

Gave it more range

[midnight nimbus]

FF range tripled 😩

[royal gull]

Good

[idle breach]

what? tripled?

FUCKING TRIPLED??????????????

[gray glade]

why does dice do everything to make MMG's be weapons where you are forced to corner camp inside buildings?

[sage lagoon]

As long as they don’t touch my baby the drilling

[royal gull]

Shouldn't see pilots going 25 and 0

That's an imbalance

[gray glade]

why not give us MMG users options to be more mobile or use precise bursts

[sage lagoon]

There is nothing more epic than a German made survival rifle

[royal gull]

Honestly they should add a specialization tree to MMGs to make them into LMGs

I'm not a fan of the MMG system in general

[gray saffron]

mg42 lmg? 🤔

[gray glade]

im ok with keeping mmg's as only mmg, but they gotta give ppl options

[royal gull]

You know like how in every other goddamn game made you could use them just like LMGs or SAWs

[gray glade]

fix the bipods so ppl can use them reliably

[idle breach]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa stop making changes

stop changing sadfk unnessary zing

[sage lagoon]

I think they should make it so that you can make the spread on mmgs while standing tighter

[gray glade]

currently the bipods are so bad ppl are literally forced to camp or hipfire ppl within 5m

[lavish raptor]

im 100%

[royal gull]

I'm glad that the M1 Garand will be even more effective now that I can out range assault rifles

[lavish raptor]

6,395 hours in rust

only reason im playiong bfv is because its more fun with its gunplay

[sage lagoon]

I like the way payday 2 uses the mg42

[lavish raptor]

they do this im gone

[sage lagoon]

It’s not an ads weapon unless you deploy a bipod, but it’s still relatively while standing

[coral fiber]

Damn no one is really happy with the TTK change

[sage lagoon]

No

[gray saffron]

people don't like change ;D

[sage lagoon]

Longer TTK means less fun or satisfying weapons

[coral fiber]

It can't be that bad
Not as bad as that horrible ttk change last year

[lavish raptor]

genuine question

[coral fiber]

Well this year actually

[midnight nimbus]

it's worse than that

[soft storm]

People don’t like change because we spent a week and a half with shit TTK to make the game more casual

[midnight nimbus]

actually

[lavish raptor]

you think PR will listen when people show this ammount of outrage?

i mean still a month

[midnight nimbus]

well

[sage lagoon]

I don’t think a person should die in any more than 6 hits

[midnight nimbus]

this is what DICE has wanted for awhile

the design they've been going for

[coral fiber]

Makes headshots more viable tho

[gray saffron]

im just gonna wait till the patch drops. it might remove those insta one kills from g43s on insane ranges and feel a bit more..fair

[coral fiber]

But eh

[soft storm]

Who cares what dice wants, dice wants vehicles to be trash and most of the community hates it too

[dusky badge]

wouldn’t it be better to not jump straight to conclusions and see how the btk change works out first?

[coral fiber]

^

[soft storm]

Like last time?

[dusky badge]

They’ve stated that there are massive recoil changes

[lavish raptor]

conclusions

[rustic root]

i swear the marker thing is so dumb, i bought bf5 2 weeks ago and imidatly want to stop playing after the new patch notes

[lavish raptor]

they showed graphs

and gave data

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, it's Apex Legends now

[dusky badge]

So we can’t conclude anything until we actually see how this works in gameplay

[lavish raptor]

tf you mean?

[soft storm]

Oh great recoil changes too

[sage lagoon]

No I’m right and you’re wrong

Jk

[midnight nimbus]

it's no recoil, high BTK

[lavish raptor]

bf1

[midnight nimbus]

if you enjoy BO4 SMGs, you'll love this

[dusky badge]

dumpster fire has been lit

[lavish raptor]

man

they really know how to pull a fucking 180 degree turn

from a good dlc to a shit overhaul

[sage lagoon]

Honestly I don’t like it when devs decide to increase TTK in games

[half wolf]

Eesh, this new TTK stuff sucks.

[sage lagoon]

Unless weapons are just way OP

[half wolf]

12 bullets to kill above 75m for a MMG?

[solid hinge]

Love being put on a team where 50% of them haven’t even gotten over 1000 points mid game

[coral fiber]

CRIES IN HEADSHOTS

[sage lagoon]

But then again 75m is a pretty long distance

[half wolf]

Well yes but actually no

[idle breach]

this game is becoming more authentic ww2 game and i like it

[analog mist]

BTK aside, the spotting mechanic they want to add in 5.2 is even worse than the spotting in past games.

[idle breach]

12 btk? yeah, just like in real life

[analog mist]

WTF

[idle breach]

eyah

spotting sucks

but well, for realism

[lavish raptor]

what

[steel agate]

Wake Island looks very interesting: