If/once DICE takes care of the multiplayer, firestorm may be revived again as it's way more unique compared to other games
#battlefield-legacy-titles
young wing
i mean its not like developing games is easy, I'd rather it come later and not rushed instead of a half-assed release
solid hinge
It wasn't half-assed at the beginning from my understanding at least
The team that made it gave it up to DICE after a month and it hasn't received an update since due to the bug fixes in the main game
Although I may be wrong about it being completed or not
stoic breach
Firestorm wasnt a really well designed BR to begin with though
It has all the standard trappings of generic BR plus alot of obnoxious shit
autumn hull
So, is standard BFV actually decent to play now?
Or is the game still basically as bad as it was at launch?
icy sluice
Game's been pretty good since like 4.2... right now we're at 5.0
sage lagoon
I wish the drilling’s 3rd person model showed sights correctly
icy sluice
Uhh
sage lagoon
For some reason it shows the sights glitched down and to the back
uneven oxide
Whenever you have the drilling equipped, it should change the music to the Doom soundtrack
sage lagoon
For example, if you have buckhorn sights, the rear sight appears the be on the back of the stock
Instead of where it’s supposed to be
Honestly I thought the game was always pretty good
They’ve just made it better
autumn hull
So, it's actually worth playing if you just want a semi-strategic shooter? How's progression now?
Is it still "Use the gun to get perk slots that you have to mix and match"
sage lagoon
They’ve been doing a good job upgrading it from good to great
Yes
That’s just how it is
autumn hull
I didn't like Battlefield 1 because you lost a lot of customization options. And then BFV brought some back.
I much preferred the BF4 style of customizations.
autumn hull
Where I could mount almost anything to any gun.
sage lagoon
But then again, it’s not like you could mount anything to any gun in WWII
autumn hull
That is true. And I hope we go for a more modern time period in BF6 in 2022
sage lagoon
Perhaps
autumn hull
Maybe even a Bad Company 3 instead of BF6
sage lagoon
I kinda hope it’s Vietnam
autumn hull
Also, how's performance? I have a Ryzen 5 3600, 32GB of RAM, and a GTX 1070. Can I hit 1080p144hz?
sage lagoon
I’ve kinda grown up with modern pov shooters and I got tired of it
Dunno
Sounds like a #technology question
sage lagoon
Cause I don’t really care
I know that my pc can run most modern games decently, so I see no need to constantly know it’s specs or the specs required to run any given game
autumn hull
So you can help other people? 🤔
sage lagoon
The only time I’ll ever need to know it’s specs is when I’m researching specs of a game I want to buy or buying new hardware for my computer because the stuff I have is outdated
And honestly, this is one of those cases where people can help themselves easily
Why ask other people about something you could easily look up yourself
sage lagoon
I have no idea what you mean
autumn hull
When they benchmark something, they use the best components they can and then swap between the test component (so if it's a GPU, they have the best of every other part)
sage lagoon
Ye
autumn hull
Nobody is benchmarking a 3600, 32GB of RAM, and a GTX 1070.
sage lagoon
Well just look up what the recommended stuff is and if you have it then I’m sure you’ll be fine
autumn hull
If they were benchmarking the 3600, they'd have 64GB of the fastest RAM they can get, and a 2080Ti.
But this is off-topic for this channel now.
What are the "meta" guns nowadays?
sage lagoon
Ye I need to sleep goodnight
I dunno I use the drilling cause I think it’s the most fun
I don’t concern myself with such things as “meta” in games like this
I think it’s dumb
stoic breach
The meta guns arent even the best guns in the game
Meta for assault is the StG44 even though its not that good
stoic breach
Because they're easy to use
autumn hull
That's not what Meta means...
wary tree
but it loses out in CQC and long range to other guns
stoic breach
StG44 has controllable recoil but doesnt do enough damage
autumn hull
Meta means it's just flat the best thing in the game.
wary tree
yeah meta has more of a popular connotation
rather than flat out being the best of something
stoic breach
Meta is generally the best gun because its popular
StG44 is meta even though there are better assault rifles
solid hinge
also because it has some cool skins
stoic breach
The skins are still mostly based on popularity I think
young wing
how come armory rotation is 3 weeks?
young wing
pretty sure, yea
autumn hull
Yes, you do.
prime pine
Meta for assault is the m1 garand
And g1-5
They're the best semis straight up
Sadly the meta for support is lewis gun. How boring. 🤷
young wing
poor Lewis, he probably has a great personality
trail blaze
i've never run into any single person unironically using the gewehr 1-5
you're better off peppering sprays with the stg 1-5
trail blaze
i don't like the semis too much
trail blaze
valid opinion
teal compass
compared to the pacific?
wary tree
yeah
well i don't play conquest
so that might be why
i was playing maritas breakthrough and it was just an incredibly annoying map to play on
getting shot from every direction
lost pike
If you're not playing conquest, are you really playing battlefield? 🤔
teal compass
yes
if you're not camping in a corner with a broken weapon, are you really playing Call of Duty?
wary tree
i don't like conquest
i've always preferred rush
conquest generally involves more walking than shooting
if i wanted to play a walking sim i would just play ARMA
lost pike
🅱ruh what are you talking about
wary tree
it's true
conquest you're just constantly running between points lmao
i don't see why that's supposed to be fun
oh we just capped C
teal compass
isnt ?
wary tree
now let's go cap D
teal compass
that the point?
wary tree
to spend all game walking around?
teal compass
to go from point to point?
wary tree
i'd rather play ARMA
lost pike
That's why vehicles exist
lost pike
and most maps, especially now are small compared to before
wary tree
either way most of the game you're just going between point and point
wary tree
rather than fighting
teal compass
wary tree
and most of the bfv maps are designed for conquest smh
wary tree
might explain why most of the base game maps are shit
teal compass
wary tree
i enter hamada
half the team leaves
i play one game, and now i know why they all left lmao
lost pike
People's stats makes me 🤢
wary tree
who cares about other peoples' stats
lost pike
I do, you can tell who knows how to play the game and who's just some noob
FILTHY CASUAL
compact oxide
Conquest gives you a lot of freedom to work at capping or to killing off the enemies who are blindly capping themselves
compact oxide
Also imagine being a battlefield elitist 
lost pike
and still is
lost pike
yeah, but in BFV its difficult
cause of the attrition system
and how you can't pick up kits anymore
stoic breach
Conquest just really sucks
Rush/Breakthrough and Frontlines should be the future of BF
compact oxide
BFV just sucks tbh
stoic breach
Conquest is only popular because players have been conditioned to think that large open maps = good game
lost pike
BFV does suck
compact oxide
But breakthrough is great when the map is designed for it
stoic breach
Yeah
BF being designed for linear maps with areas of freedom in them is great
Like smaller arenas inside larger maps
Thats why breakthrough works so well
compact oxide
Neither of those are great
lost pike
They're not great at all
stoic breach
They would be great with frontlines
lost pike
but for some reason people like it
compact oxide
But maps like freaking achi Baba are 
stoic breach
They just suck in conquest
Achi Baba is fantastic
Also Zeebrugge
Which is just outdoor metro
Would be great in Frontlines
compact oxide
Zebrugge actually wasn't too bad
stoic breach
Its fun in conquest, but the mode really holds it back from being truly great
compact oxide
It was the imbalance to start that was annoying, defenders got it so much better
pastel grove
most imbalanced map is Galicia imo
stoic breach
CQA just sucks
compact oxide
I mean the map was okay on conquest
pastel grove
Fort Vaux was fuckin excellent
compact oxide
Fort is a special case in that it's fun until someone knows how to all cap
It's a very easy map to spawn trap
pastel grove
Honestly yeah
Also don't forget when literally every player on the map is held up in that hallway
Albion was good
compact oxide
Albion wasn't that good imo
Was also pretty unbalanced
The water spawn side got screwed over much more frequently
stoic breach
Albion was kinda fun but not that good
Its sort of classic bigmap syndrome
Really, bigmap conquest is just serious nostalgia goggles getting in the way of good game design
pastel grove
Shittiest map was Fao Fortress
stoic breach
Fao TDM was fun
compact oxide
FAO domination was okay
Tbh one map I loved that nobody else did was that night city map
icy sluice
The Fortress on Operations was just chaos https://youtu.be/fTw2ICebUu8
And now I say gn
stoic breach
@compact oxide Prise De Tahure was probably one of the best maps in BF1
compact oxide
That's the one ye
stoic breach
Yea
compact oxide
I liked it, it was okay with all the warrens and trenches
Achi is my fav map though easily
pastel grove
Yeah Prise de Tahure and Nivelle Nights were great
prime pine
St quentin was a good map
On breakthrough holy fuck its a chilling map to play
Then again. Bf1 breakthrough was the best it was ever.... Hearing the soldiers yelling as the new sector open was so chilling.
stoic breach
Yeah
prime pine
Maybe the reason why conquest sucked on bf1 because it felt like it was made for breakthrough. Then again, there were some conquest maps that had a really good flow.
Amiens and st quentin are the only ones that come up first to my head
Suez was alright. I guess.
stoic breach
Suez is good in everything but conquest
prime pine
St quentin was really dark
Atmosphere wise
Oh yeah funny enough. Three years alter i just learned that german snipers were black
I thought it was due to the shadowing LOL
compact oxide
Oof
stoic breach
Haha
compact oxide
I enjoyed that Bf1 had the "progressive" stuff without making a big deal about it
prime pine
It wasnt shoving it down your throat
compact oxide
But let's not go down that rabbit hole topic
prime pine
Fair enough
I would like to say that with the british medic... It didnt even strike me as much funny enough
Just a "Oh. Right"
compact oxide
I loved the British medics, the young bloke and the old fart
prime pine
I hated the A7V on bf1. Cause there was almost no warning weather or not they were aiming at you.
compact oxide
A7V?
prime pine
Heavy tank
compact oxide
Ah
solid hinge
Yeah no, conquest will always be Battlefield, the problem with rush/BT is that it removes all strategy from the game, it's scripted spoon fed combat and more idealized arcade type action from a TV show than a taste of the chaos of actual combat .. I get that some people find the chaos of 360 degree combat bewildering and uncomfortable, but not all people feel that way, some people relish it.
compact oxide
Yeah tanks were interesting in BF1
Conquest just needs to be tweaked better
Imo I prefer it in bf1 to the other modes
Dunno about ops though
prime pine
All the m2 flamethrower is, is a flammable jelly launcher. Change my mind.
compact oxide
Never got to play ops in Bf1
prime pine
I would appreciate conquest for what it is
But it makes me appreciate other game modes a lot more
buoyant summit
i like the concept of conquest, but now that our maps are so large i find i never see that many enemies since i spend so much time moving point to point
even in 32 on 32
prime pine
Breakthrough's pace is fast and consistent
buoyant summit
hence why i like breakthrough
prime pine
Conquest is all over the place
buoyant summit
indeed
oddly enough i love conquest on Fjell
but i think its because its such a small map
and also so many planes
compact oxide
Conquest is good on medium/small maps
buoyant summit
i think i may be the only person who genuinely likes Fjell
prime pine
I like fjell
compact oxide
Sinai style maps are trash
buoyant summit
conquest on Marita is good too
conquest on Panzerstorm makes we wanna commit toaster bath
compact oxide
Panzerstorm is legit less enjoyable than galacia
prime pine
This is what i hit 3 days ago
wary tree
is there scope glint for 2x scopes on recon guns?
stoic breach
What kind of strategy are you supposed to use in conquest
Other than spawntrapping the enemy team
Thats legit the only strategy
Conquest doesnt play like a board game or RTS does
prime pine
2x has no glint
wary tree
ok thanks
and for conquest you just run back and forth
that's the strategy
the team that runs the fastest wins
compact oxide
The strategy in conquest is to flank
prime pine
I mean. The strat i picked up with my friends is to flank and brute force the objective
stoic breach
Flanking isnt the same as running behind someone to steal the flag they just capped
Thats ring around the rosie
wary tree
that's what conquest is
compact oxide
And split your squad to cap multiple points, or trick the enemy zerg into thinking you're going one way when you're not
stoic breach
Conquest's best gameplay is the gameplay you get on contested flags
Breakthrough and Frontlines has that except more focussed
compact oxide
Pretty much
stoic breach
And more frequent
wary tree
yeah which is why i like breakthrough
stoic breach
Theres never any downtime unless the lobby is too empty
compact oxide
But breakthrough and frontlines are ONLY THAT
wary tree
haven't found a single populated frontlines server
compact oxide
Nothing else sadly, so you don't get the range
stoic breach
Frontlines as single flag conquest is great
wary tree
there's plenty of flanking going on in breakthrough
stoic breach
Its the best contested flag gameplay of conquest but everyone is attacking the same flag
You can have range as well, tanks and snipers can stay well away from the flag
While assaults cap
compact oxide
Breakthrough is the mode I prefer in BFV but BFV is trash overall
stoic breach
Yeah
wary tree
breakthrough in V is pretty fun overall
stoic breach
The biggest winners of conquest are still the vehicles
wary tree
hadn't played since 3
compact oxide
Conquest genuinely gives you options for styles of play that other modes don't
wary tree
eh i only find conquest fun if i get a tank or something
stoic breach
Its not as sandbox as it used to be though
compact oxide
Not as true, but still okay depending on the map
stoic breach
It doesnt have all the goofy shit that BF4 did, so you're left with uninspired gameplay in a map too large to have all players fight together
Domination can have the same gameplay but without spawntrap
compact oxide
Again, depending on the map
stoic breach
And lower player numbers
compact oxide
Domination is hit or miss I find
stoic breach
If the map is too big, conquest is too slow, and on smaller maps, it might as well be domination
stoic breach
And spawntrap
Because you can just choose to pick the flag closest to the enemy uncap
compact oxide
And if you have a squad on comms then most maps let you break out
stoic breach
Yeah it still requires coms though
compact oxide
Hence why it depends on the map
stoic breach
But other modes dont have the issue of full cap and spawntrap
At all
Domination has no flag spawn, and Breakthrough only has 2/3 flags at a time, and tickets are entirely dependent on player lives, not sitting on a flag and keeping it
solid hinge
I dont get SOME people's attitudes towards Battlefield. They want to remove conquest large, change it to smaller maps, try to cut down on the chaos of it make it more of a sanitized TV experience ala CoD campaign .. they want to completely purge it from the game .. why? ... why cant we have both? .. if you like CQB TV combat on small city maps, thats Great! .. please leave my conquest large alone, we can have both
stoic breach
Theres less chaos in conquest large because the whole team is split up
You cant realistically have strategy between all 32 random players on a team, conquest is based on individuals or individual squads going off and capping flags on their own accord
The only global objective players really work towards is capping all flags and baselocking the enemy team
Its an individual goal that everyone just naturally works towards
solid hinge
so because you dont think so, dice should remve conquest large from the game
stoic breach
Its not what I think, its what happens
solid hinge
17 years of conquest large enjoyed by millions should just be deleted because YOU dont enjoy it
stoic breach
32 players dont just decide to coordinate and cap flags because of eachothers needs
solid hinge
so?
stoic breach
They cap because its what individuals feel like doing for points
solid hinge
so?
stoic breach
Theres no strategy involved
solid hinge
indead there is
you can and I do use stratergy all the time on connquest
imo rush/BT removes that from the game, it spoon feeds it
but heres the difference
I dont keep petitioning dice to remove rush/bt from the game simply becuase I dont enjoy it or agree with its viability
I live and let live
if you want too play BT/rush, go for it, I'm not calling for its removal like you are with conquest large
stoic breach
Thats kind of a different arguement, you're arguing to keep it because people enjoy it, I'm arguing to remove it because I dont think its a good mode
I enjoyed conquest in BF1, I still think it should be removed
tiny mist
does DICE/EA respond on twitter actually?
wary tree
20 minutes and all i got was 3 kills
spent rest of the time running around
from island to island
solid hinge
yeah you're asking for its removal based on your opinions and citing anecdotal evidence to make your case. If you dont like it dont play it ... this is like walking into McDonalds and asking management to remove all beef items from the menu because you dont think its good, and screw everyone else in the restaurant who has ordered Beef
stoic breach
Not really
solid hinge
yes really
stoic breach
And the "anecdotal evidence" for why I would want conquest removed is more based on the fact that conquest is completely aimless for the most part, and theres no realistic way for all 32 players to actually achieve the same goal by coordination
solid hinge
its EXACTLY like that
I love conquest, and heaven forbid dice removed conquest large from battlefield, they would lose a lot of their playerbase including myself
compact oxide
Okay let's take a breather
stoic breach
Alright
tiny mist
how can I possibly be sure about 1 thing if some people say and some say it isn't and when I ask somebody they don't respond lol
compact oxide
Wut
solid hinge
Ea/Dice respond on twitter when they want to
solid hinge
for obvious reasons they wont respond to every tweet
tiny mist
well probably my question is useless then
but some people like me want it to be a thing
well maybe next update will sort it out, I hope so
tiny mist
lol
wary tree
fuck this map
6 times
not a single fucking kill
fuck this game
and fuck this map
ionic girder
😆 Get gud?
wary tree
i mean i average 1.5
ionic girder
Kidding.
wary tree
which is slightly above 0
lmao
haven't had a single good game tonight
and i've played for what, 5 hours
lmao
one shit game after another
ionic girder
Not sure why. Maybe everyone is high or something.
versed notch
get your spirits up by playing a sp game that makes you feel like god ig
that's what I usually do when BF becomes tilting anyway
ionic girder
I've had some poor games recently though. Defensive teams while trying to push on Iwo Jimo breakthrough.
compact oxide
@wary tree it happens man, I'm a similar kd as you and have the same occasionally
ionic girder
Tanks that sit on the beach and farm kills.
Just depends on what people are on and how they want to play. 🤷
Supposedly playing Doom makes you feel like a god sometimes. Or maybe Borderlands 3. @wary tree
bronze oyster
SEX
compact oxide
Playing destiny 2 makes you feel godlike
ionic girder
@compact oxide I've been tempted to try it, then come across the reviews. 
But then again, BFV reviews say the game is trash, and I still play it every day. 
solid hinge
imagine reviewers having an agenda of their own
compact oxide
I mean I dislike BFV because it feels like a wasted game
But destiny 2s main issues are lack of endgame content and Activision was real greedy with money
The gameplay is fantastic imo as long as you ignore PvP
solid hinge
besides that if the reviewer basically says yes, great game, few small issues to most games then the reviewer becomes less relevant, in other words, reviewers tend to exaggerate issues to remain relevant.
solid hinge
then your average player starts to think that the exaggeration is a truth
ionic girder
A lot of them seem to base their issues off of how the game makes them feel.
compact oxide
Pretty much
solid hinge
yeah, anecdotal
ionic girder
And emotions aren't always a sure sign of much. 
compact oxide
But honestly you have games like anthem which was fantastic gameplay just real empty on content and bad launch
It just feels like a huge waste
ionic girder
Don't a lot of games today though? Much potential ruined by corporate agendas and stock numbers.
solid hinge
All games have issues, BFBC2 was absolutely slammed by the community on launch, ok, twitter/reddit wasn't such a massive platform then but the blogs and forums had pages of angst about how it was CoDified BF, emotional reviews about "the death of Battlefield" and stuff.. and yet 10 years later ask just about any gamer what they think about BC2 and its legend now.
ionic girder
Fair enough.
compact oxide
I'd argue that a lot of it is Reddit etc and the reviewers are mostly trying to cover all bases
ionic girder
I don't think V will become that for annoyances such as attrition and whatnot.There are core gameplay functions that seem generally disliked by the masses.
Hopefully they wait until the next BF to completely remove it though. I am the dork who likes it. 
solid hinge
I think BFV was at a massive disadvantage because of BF1's success, any change, any difference was likely to be slammed by the community, much like BFBC2 was after the legendary BF2142. The controversy of the launch trailer was more fuel for the fire but even if that had not happened, BFV was condemned before it even got a chance
Pacific has turned that around quite a bit
even BF2142 was slammed after launch, mainly because no US faction and futuristic setting
ionic girder
Yeah, I agree. I also think that after BF1, more gamers wanted a return to modern era shooters. Naturally put BFV at a greater disadvantage because no one really asked for it, at least seemingly.
compact oxide
I was one of those who wanted modern
Overall my main issues with BFV stem from lots of little tweaks and balance issues that felt like a step back from BF1
solid hinge
i appreciate that it feels like a shooter at least
solid hinge
Royal Motivations in armoury 
constantly seeing outfits I’ve already got 
shy badger
No one asked for bfv? People have been asking for a ww2 bf for a long time
People have been sick of the modern setting since bf4
empty pine
When i started playing bfv
i went and searched my stats
my score/min was like
1.800
wary tree
lmao
5 hours of shit games
one shit game after another
because dice can't get off their lazy ass to have auto balanced teams or even team shuffling between games
time to uninstall, glad i didn't waste money on this piece of shit game
where half the fucking maps are laughably bad
idle breach
only half???
white wedge
Complains about how bad a game is but still goes out of his way to join a discord server about said game
10/10
stoic breach
You can still be in a discord even if you dont like a game 
hoary condor
I have them days where i play bad and say things i don't mean
white wedge
you’re right but what would be the point?
simple roost
or be in the discord for an older game in the franchise
i hate battlefield 5 but im here because im a fan of bf4 and less so bf1
hoary condor
ok
simple roost
oh wait that guy left lol yeah he joined just to complain and headed out
white wedge
Sad times
white wedge
Lmao
solid hinge
Lol
vapid orbit
How much XP is level 40 in a Tides of War Chapter?
hoary condor
it should show you if you scroll all the way to 40
vapid orbit
Sadly, I'm on my laptop where BFV isn't installed. 😦
I'll check it out later
On my gaming PC
hoary condor
Fair enough you might be able to google it, i would but at work
vapid orbit
BFV tracker doesn't track your chapter ranks, does it?
hoary condor
No
devout gull
Tbh just really waiting for HC servers
cyan sail
how do you report cheaters?
solid hinge
Is 265 points a min good?
gray glade
depends on what class you play
and probably what modes as well
i would call it in-between
late kelp
Anyone playing on PS4 that wants to team up for Combined Arms? 🙂
hoary condor
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solid hinge
I thought combined arms was dead tbh
hoary condor
I think i've played it once lol
raw orbit
hoary condor
does look good
cyan sail
So, this cheater, 15k kills, 14k by head shot. Why does anti-cheat not pick this up?
Is there even such a thing?
low totem
the only reason i ever played combined arms was to cheese the assignments
and i did it like once.
brave coral
Yeah CA is only good for assignments
It’s probably fun if you’ve got a full squad and you’re just pissing about
But normally once I complete an assignment in it I don’t bother playing the rest, just quit
hoary condor
cyan sail
Done it. I imagine other have as well. Guy has been collecting stats of BFV Stats for over 30 days... sooo seems pretty pointless
idle breach
When usual i go like 30-20 ish kd
devout gull
Jfc the recoil for the model 27 is ridiculous
cyan sail
What are the broken OP things just now?
cyan sail
That Anti-Air Rocket Launcher is insane
idle breach
Yes
cyan sail
It is as OP as planes are
idle breach
Just pick anti air plane and just bully the entire enemy air force
devout gull
Tbh if planes weren't so predictable it wouldn't be that good
hoary condor
planes were OP when flaks were nerfed
then the FF came in and it's all even stevens now
cyan sail
If a plane is flying, low and close to infantry, they deserve to be swatted out the sky
hoary condor
Facts
devout gull
Planes can do damage but they usually follow a set game plan, win dog fights/bully ground, if you know a plane is about to strafe run you just give it the ole razzle dazzle
cyan sail
I am no use in planes
stoic breach
Even Stevens 😩
solid hinge
theres a clip on reddit of a dude killing 3 planes in one shot each in a row with the fliegerfaust immediately after reloading each one
idle breach
Or just use fighter and bully the enemy planes
solid hinge
I don't think any infantry should be able to do that frankly
cyan sail
Sooooo
hoary condor
flaks on Pacific are OP so it's easy to swat
devout gull
@solid hinge planes fault for being in range
cyan sail
it is okay for a plane to kill 3 people in one bomb run?
solid hinge
It kills planes faster than guns kill infantry
idle breach
Its okay
solid hinge
I can literally kill a plane faster than I can kill another person
vapid orbit
Yeah, I think Fliger should do at max half a planes half.
grand zinc
I do that with HMG @cyan sail
minor jacinth
people. always say im wallhacking
idle breach
Problem with FF is that
minor jacinth
cuz I see shoot them through bushes
solid hinge
I don't mind planes shredding people because they're fuckin planes
idle breach
Its the most low risk-high return aa weapon
solid hinge
Yeah
devout gull
In BFV WWII the bullets aren't anti infantry
idle breach
And it's a portable gadget of assault
solid hinge
The only downside of the FF is that you don't have the Piat
cyan sail
It is also a game, not a real life simulator and there has to be a counter for balance
idle breach
It's fucking broken
solid hinge
idle breach
Ff being superior than every other aa method is just insane
minor jacinth
vapid orbit
Like, even a whole ass Panzer shot doesn't one shot a tank
solid hinge
You pull the FF out borderline instantly, it fires instantly, it reloads fast, and it shreds
idle breach
Whats the point of stat AA now?
solid hinge
You have no indicator of who's carrying it
pastel grove
Now that we're far along enough in Chapter 5, a lot of planes have their specs on.
All these pilot mains flying around with napalm makes me want to fuckin cry
cyan sail
Good. Down with pilots and planes
idle breach
Replace the fuckin 40mm bofors with stat fliegetfaust launcher lol
solid hinge
The literal only thing you can do is stay 300 metres away from all infantry
vapid orbit
Dude, napalm is uncounterable
vapid orbit
Unlike bombs, where you can rez after explosion, the fire literally stops you from getting a rez.
pastel grove
Also at least bombs are usually survivable
solid hinge
it's way harder to aim napalm than the FF, and after a napalm drop they have to fly all the way back to resupply
pastel grove
Napalm just fucking burns you
solid hinge
You ALWAYS have FF ammo
devout gull
DICE next update: Support Gadget! Waterhose
cyan sail
planes carry a whole host of different ways to kill. Can self repair, instantly. Can reload ammo in one run. It's not like lifes hard
hoary condor
true
cyan sail
Long hail the FF
pastel grove
Literally just fly higher.
devout gull
Literally just stop spawning in planes.
cyan sail
Pilot mains will moan and complain until the FF is nerfed. I am enjoying it while it lasts
pastel grove
It's not like pilot mains do anything to help themselves
Some of those assholes fly low enough to get hit by hand grenades
prime pine
Planes are absolutely vital for support
These ones specifically
The 1A and A5m2 drop flares and can take out clusters of bothersome infantry.
feral grotto
Ff isn't as much of an issue like it was a week / 2 weeks ago already
solid hinge
It's very hard to see people on the ground without getting close
Pacific planes have methods of spotting
which alleviates it a little
prime pine
You dont know who's an assault or not without the spotting scope.
solid hinge
vanilla planes have fucked balance right now though
prime pine
Cause assault have no rocket launchers on their backs
solid hinge
fighters borderline useless
feral grotto
Method of spotting people is the obj
hoary condor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483943340929318922/517610833296097290/IMG_20181129_075942.jpg
pastel grove
people still fly fighter planes?
prime pine
Yeah
hoary condor
Pacific there ar eno bombers 
prime pine
Technically there are
pastel grove
They've always been bad imo
hoary condor
bombers i find are OP for health
brave coral
Once you get specs I think the Pacific bombers are actually bombers
prime pine
The 1A and the A2m5 are the bomber variants
feral grotto
Pacific planes do more as bombers than normal bombers on the old maps
hoary condor
never seem to take em down unless you got a fighter tailing it
prime pine
If they nerf the explosive 20 mils they better nerf the flieger
junior vale
Just make the damn thing not be able to one shot
pastel grove
They balance each other tbh
prime pine
Having two "overpowered" parts of the game fight each other is not healthy
I sorta know this from experience in pokemon
brave coral
There is no reason for the Flieger not to have the capability of ‘one hitting’ planes
junior vale
Why is that?
brave coral
All it needs is a bit more spread
junior vale
Fuck let it do 90
prime pine
90 means a single infy can take you out when you are very lightly chipped. Is that fair? Fuck no.
junior vale
Just not be avle to straight up one shot
feral grotto
It does 90
brave coral
Because if it doesn’t have the ability to take out a plane doing a strafe, then the plane can easily just retreat and heal to full
It’s already not a ‘guaranteed kill’ unless you’re flying dumb
junior vale
Or die because theres more than 1 assault between 32 players carrying a ff
feral grotto
People will have less issues with the ff when they stop using the same specs with the he rounds
junior vale
And AA emplacements
feral grotto
You can do much more without it
pastel grove
Like I said, most of these fucking pilots fly low enough to get hit by fucking grenades.
brave coral
Ive literally seen a clip of someone taking a plane out with an impact grenade lmao
pastel grove
Same.
junior vale
Yea those moments happen
pastel grove
I took out a plane in BF1 with an incendiary once 
prime pine
At least fliegerfaust rounds destroy the fire bombs being dropped from the plane so they dont get the kill
junior vale
Just because youre in a plane doesnt meab you shouldnt die
junior vale
Look i was the first one to cheer when the FF was added but in some instance its a braindead solution
brave coral
I agree the FF is a little too easy to hit planes consistently at long range
feral grotto
Range on it is the only thing that should be changed
junior vale
In some matches theres is an absoluteky no fly zone because one squad is salty enough to carry 4 and start shooting at you at 150 meters away
hoary condor
junior vale
While camping a resupply
brave coral
But as long as you’re not strafing the same spot over and over most of the time an Assault isn’t going to have an FF ready to shoot
cyan sail
And this is a problem why?
junior vale
And it becokes this slogfest
feral grotto
And they lose the game cuz they are focused on planes.. @junior vale
pastel grove
If you piss off a whole squad that much, maybe you should get fliegerfausted
brave coral
Yeah
cyan sail
If 4 players turn there attention one, their is obviously a reason for it
junior vale
Oh yea lets give the idiots an easy way out cuz why not?
brave coral
That’s four enemy players not playing the objective or taking your teammates
junior vale
Shit i wasnt even doing that good, jist trying to level up the shitty plane
feral grotto
Do it smarter.. you won't die
brave coral
Also you say that like making the Fliegerfaust deal 50 damage is going to fix that lol
4 x 50 = 200
feral grotto
50x 4 is less than a 100
junior vale
I said let it deal 90 for all i care
feral grotto
Oh wait..
junior vale
Not straight up one shot
junior vale
You get no damage feedback
brave coral
And it doesn’t one shot
feral grotto
If you stick to the new planes meta you'll die a lot
cyan sail
Not every hit is a one shot
pastel grove
Fly higher Most of my attempts at fliegerfaust only end in +90 damage. 
brave coral
It’s not a guaranteed
junior vale
So it does one shot...
feral grotto
Those one shots are 2 shooting at you or you were damaged
hoary condor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483943340929318922/517035701271789608/IMG_20181124_115643.jpg
junior vale
It has the ability to one shot
brave coral
No because you need to hit like 8-9 rockets
junior vale
I wasnt damaged
brave coral
There is no reason for it to not have ‘one shot’ capability given the way planes function
junior vale
I got straight up thrown back to respawn screen with no feedback, just POP from one ff
cyan sail
bit like having a bomb dropped on you
feral grotto
If people can go 50+ kd with planes when the ff is a thing. Than it's not an issue
junior vale
Oh you mean the shitty 0 splash damage bombs?
brave coral
Bruh
hoary condor
Pilots: having a good time
ME: Walks out with my FF, imma ruin this mans whole career
brave coral
Tbh I don’t even run FF most of the time
pastel grove
Same
cyan sail
Depends who is annoying me the most, tanks or planes
tranquil cliff
FF should have reduced range or damage drop off
brave coral
It’s only if there’s a plane that’s just strafing with no one trying to take it out
junior vale
Im not a pilot, ive only recently started trying to level up the planes since i like zeroes and the flying mechanics in bf5 suck ass
brave coral
Yeah same and?
junior vale
Absolutely not
brave coral
I went on like a 13 kill run on Pacific Storm
cyan sail
Let me guess, BF3 was the best BF?
feral grotto
You're just not good with planes than buddy
brave coral
Got taken out by a plane that got behind me, no one even used a Flieger on me successfully lol
junior vale
Wait hol up, so im bad because i dont like the ufo flying mechanics huh?
cyan sail
I suck in planes, I still fly them. Leveling them up is a chore
tranquil cliff
Reduced range on FF would balance it better
junior vale
Kewl
brave coral
FF just needs more spread at range
cyan sail
I agree with that @tranquil cliff
If a plane is so close that it can get blitzed by the FF, fair play
junior vale
Ok, back to flying actual planes in war thunder i guess, ill leave the reskinned ufos to @feral grotto
devout gull
Leveling up each nation's planes <
brave coral
That’s how you completely discredit yourself in a discussion, good job
tribal cairn
I used to be big on piloting in WT when I had my laptop
It's much harder on console
tranquil cliff
Why r we even arguing this?
hoary condor
Let's not
feral grotto
We're not anymore .. he left for war thunder
tribal cairn
I mean, there was no argument in the first place.
feral grotto
Well yeah it was more of a rant
cyan sail
Because I should be doing chores, but I don't want to and this is more fun
stoic breach
Bruh moment lul
brave coral
Well
pastel grove
Oh hey Raze
brave coral
You get used to it quickly
junior vale
I didnt start a rant, the ff was being discussed before hand
brave coral
“Ha! You thought it was over”
feral grotto
😂
tranquil cliff
OH GET OVER IT ALREADY!
brave coral
That may be so but by the time I joined it was a rant
cyan sail
It'll be nerfed soon and the status quo will resume
feral grotto
Hope it won't tbh
brave coral
So far it doesn’t look like it’s going to be nerfed that much
junior vale
But looks like this place has a bunch of minimods
prime pine
Coffee and noodles....
tribal cairn
Ugh. Doesn't sound too tasty
junior vale
Thats a good combo
brave coral
I really hope they don’t take it’s one hit ability
pastel grove
Oh so we're all minimods for shit talking your opinion about Fliegerfaust
pastel grove
Coffee and noodles sounds good as fuck rn
brave coral
Again. This is a masterclass in how to discredit yourself in an online discussion
pastel grove
What kinda noodles, Bodie?
tribal cairn
I don't exactly like washing down my noodles with coffee, being honest.
prime pine
Uhhhh
cyan sail
boil the coffee in the same pot as the noodles?
prime pine
Vietnamese spicy tom yum noodles
tranquil cliff
👌
brave coral
Tbh I was thinking like instant noodles but using instant coffee instead of the flavour packet
cyan sail
what is rn?
feral grotto
Meh.. coffee
pastel grove
@cyan sail "right now"
feral grotto
Right new
cyan sail
danke
tribal cairn
Schön.
pastel grove
Also at this point, I can wash anything down with coffee
brave coral
I know someone who voluntarily used his hot dog water to make coffee
brave coral
Fuckin weirdo
tribal cairn
That's what washing down means
It's not like you drench the noodles in coffee like an Italian breakfast
tribal cairn
Personally I love soy sauce over my noodles. Maybe some iced tea to wash it down
feral grotto
Hate coffee.. had my last one at 09.. no regrets
brave coral
I’m just not a massive fan of hot drinks in general tbh
tribal cairn
I mean, 9 In the morning is normal for coffee
pastel grove
What about iced coffee? @brave coral
feral grotto
It was more like 4 am
brave coral
Not really had it tbh
tribal cairn
Wait, you weren't doing 24 hour time? Huh that had me confused
brave coral
I don’t mind coffee flavour but on the few times I’ve tried it I don’t like it as a drink
tribal cairn
Say In 09
pastel grove
I fucking love coffee.
tribal cairn
Eases the confusion
brave coral
Idk why that seems oddly specific to know when the last time you had coffee was
feral grotto
Here we at everything
prime pine
Dont snort coffee
bleak marlin
hmm would be cool to have the Imperial Japanese Army March soundtrack into the game. https://youtu.be/JoC3EU_H2tc
tribal cairn
Wait, the actual coffee mix?
prime pine
Yes
tribal cairn
Why the hell would you do that?
prime pine
Dont know
brave coral
Some guys in one of my classes crushed um some tictacs and snorted them lmao
feral grotto
There's any brain damage?
prime pine
I dont think so
pastel grove
I considered snorting melatonin once
feral grotto
Prior to you snorting?
prime pine
Nahhh im all fine
pastel grove
I restrained myself from it but you know what
feral grotto
pastel grove
I might do it 
prime pine
Haha
tribal cairn
Please don't.
prime pine
Just dont
bleak marlin
I need healing
prime pine
I got foam around the nose
pastel grove
From the coffee grounds, Bodie?
prime pine
Painkiller
prime pine
Ill dm cause the mods are watching
cyan sail
make lunch or BFV?
tribal cairn
Lunch. Cold meat sandwich does wonders before a match.
earnest delta
^
cyan sail
Roger that.
prime pine
Haha
cyan sail
Probably good advice
prime pine
Food helps so much for multiplayer
echo glen
Quick, while they aren't watching, say something 
pastel grove
I could use a sandwich rn
prime pine
Palkia looks like a giant dick
pastel grove
Hungry as fuck I should probably like
Actually fucking sleep
It is now
Fucking 5:09AM
tribal cairn
We don't need Germans on crystal meth
As much as I love blitzkrieg as the next guy,
We don't need meth
yet
earnest delta
The Germans fighting with the Japs must be on meth
echo glen
Let's get Goring's terrible morphine addiction
earnest delta
Hell yeah
pastel grove
That's how meth gets balanced
prime pine
Did find badgers videos hilarious
cyan sail
Take meth, mouse sensitivity increases by 400%
prime pine
Now he doesnt do battlefield anymore
prime pine
Therussianbadger
earnest delta
He's a good boi imo
earnest delta
Ah, a man of culture
cyan sail
BF4 - The Prophecy
cyan sail
China vs USA in Hong Kong?
earnest delta
The Phantom Bow meme was pretty lit while the game had a bigger player base
trail blaze
ikr
cyan sail
BF 4 was peak BF Friends
earnest delta
I just bought a server for a day and got it in that community map
I couldn't get it the legit way
sonic rampart
Bf friends 
young wing
are there phantom challenges for bf5?
echo turtle
No
earnest delta
Nope
young wing
echo turtle
Not sure what they're going to do just yet
earnest delta
Maybe one day
young wing
maybe its part of an uncompleted easter egg 👀
earnest delta
Just like Tank Body customization, Soon TM
young wing
didnt jack frags find a building easter egg in the training map?
sonic rampart
Ye
young wing
with a timer and a certain path u had to follow?
earnest delta
Patched
young wing
has that been finished?
sonic rampart
Is it gone?
young wing
o
earnest delta
Pretty sure it is now
young wing
welp, did we ever find out what it led to?
earnest delta
Some headphones that didn't mean much, that shrine thing is still there I believe though.
stoic breach
Tfw you can interact with a phone on Fjell and it does nothing
Fucking 30 second long interaction as well
What even is BFV
idle breach
it's a game
earnest delta
They are all on the maps
solid hinge
tfw hitreg is just blatantly fucked
earnest delta
I feel that
pastel grove
tfw no Springfield
earnest delta
Ok, no need to make a man cry now qwq
pastel grove
or really many other weapons that need to be here
earnest delta
The American Thompson qwq
earnest delta
Silencers qwq
earnest delta
Now that's a twist
tfw there are Germans fighting with the Japs that stick out like a green thumb
earnest delta
tfw there is no Katana execution
And melee = smol knife or whatever your melee weapon is
earnest delta
LVT HMGs?
earnest delta
Yeah, they need a bit of tuning, a platoon I was with thought it was cool dropping 100+ with almost no deaths. "Player of the week!"
And they just sat in the HMG LVT all game like come on now.
solid hinge
You can't do a single thing to react
prime pine
The aa spec on the tanks are fucked
earnest delta
Soon