Kark/krag if you REALLY want to use bolt actions
#battlefield-legacy-titles
shy badger
main grove
Well yeah every weapon can be called a one shot if for some reason every enemy you fight has <12 hp
shy badger
po8, rsc, c96 m95 for close
fervent rune
They make me panic
main grove
Bolt actions are meant to be headshot weapons in this
The issue is that their bullet is sllooooowww
solid hinge
What’s fortnight
main grove
For some reason BF5 bolts have super slow bullets
solid hinge
Bf1 is the best Game
main grove
Compared to other BFs
fervent rune
It's really hard to hit moving enemies
shy badger
for some reason the assault has the gun with the best muzzle velocity
main grove
MAS with high velocity ammo breaks 900m/s
shy badger
Yep that's fucking stupid
main grove
Meanwhile the fastest bolt shoots 700m/s
plush elm
if they increased velocity it would be to easy to snipe
shy badger
it's already easy to snipe
plush elm
exactly
plush elm
i already get picked off way to easily
solid hinge
Yeah
main grove
Bolt bolts should be the best choice for sniping
But they're not
Because they fucked them in this game
plush elm
its stupid
solid hinge
Use the heilregal
main grove
If they didn't change it from BF1
plush elm
ever played support and picked up a self loading rifle
main grove
It would actually be fine
plush elm
easy kill streak
main grove
Play medic and get Semi auto
shy badger
tfw an smg can have a faster muzzle velocity than a bolt action
fervent rune
BANZAI
main grove
The fucking jungle carbine that's soon coming out
final totem
man I wish they'd at least move the resupply locations a little further away from infantry on some maps now
solid hinge
@solid hinge #streams-and-videos please
final totem
like going for the island one on mercury these days is a genuine risk
main grove
Than the full length rifle
plush elm
what platform you on???
main grove
Lee should do like 650m/s at the least
Kar should be nearly 900
So should krag
G95 and Ross should do around 800
There bolts are now viable sniper weapons
The fact that they are releasing a carbine variant of the Lee that can actually exceed the velocity of the full length rifle is nonsense
It clearly shows they forgot the actual speed of bolts in this and how low they set it
icy sluice
I once got 9 kills in one
solid hinge
Playing recon in it feels rewarding
still dove
i have 100+ hours in the game and havnt played it once
gloomy kraken
I played my first round on final stand Yesterday by accident
main grove
I have 300+ hours and I've never played it
main grove
Bruh stop
echo glen
Stop with the pings mate
main grove
Like actually
solid hinge
What’s up my mans @frozen sparrow
echo glen
Inb4 ban
still dove
ignore, dont feed the troll
solid hinge
Yo @frozen sparrowI got an insane snipe
main grove
solid hinge
@frozen sparrow wanna play
subtle wharf
I somehow can't get into any matches on PS4, it's just an infinite loading screen in the menu. Does anyone have this problem too?
bleak marlin
whens the DLC out
main grove
31st
feral grotto
they should get us the patch earlier cuz we finish the community mission so quickly
feral grotto
because it was a shit game
lyric helm
gray saffron
You can still play 2142 though
bleak marlin
came out 17 October 2006. 2142 is now 14 years old
@gray saffron Not when Battlefield 2142 Revive team got shut down because EA said shut it down not to use our old games :/
I played it when EA shut it down
gray saffron
Darn, thought it was still up :(
bleak marlin
( I write on behalf of Electronic Arts Inc. and its development studio DICE or, in other words, 'those guys that make Battlefield'.
We've noticed that Revive Network has several projects and websites devoted to being a Medic by reviving older Battlefield games, including Battlefield Heroes, Battlefield 2, and Battlefield 2142. It's great to see your enthusiasm for these titles. Not to brag, but we too get the nostalgia chills when booting up these classic entries in the Battlefield franchise.
We need a favour though: we must ask that you stop throwing down Ammo Crates. In other, more legal-styled terms, please stop distributing copies of our game clients and using our trademarks, logos, and artwork on your sites.) Yeah it kinda sucks but it was a good run
feral grotto
they have every right to ask them to not use their stuff .. i don't see an issue with it
the update on the 29th is for the pacific update that comes on the 31st @sharp falcon
bleak marlin
the issue is ppl want to play older battlefields but I just don't understand why DICE won't remaster2142 and Battlefield 2
feral grotto
because there's no money in remastering a game that most people didn't like..
i'll give you an example for no money in a game that people did like that got remastered..
modern warfare remaster
not the new one that came out few days ago
bleak marlin
Cky you're not understanding
only true battlefield Vets know what classic game was good
feral grotto
ok mr vet
solid hinge
the modern warfare remaster was shit though
bleak marlin
Bad company 2/BF3/BF2/BF1942/BF2142
feral grotto
ok buddy
bleak marlin
The only servers i see in PC on bad company 2 are only USA and EU with only 6 to 5 servers up
most of them are modded servers
feral grotto
poor aussies.. 😐 no old game's servers
bleak marlin
@solid hinge agreed
gray saffron
Mw was more a remaster for its singleplayer. Mp was more of a shoe in and an excuse to sell more monitization bullcrabs.
Bfs has always been more multiplayer focused and are a lot harder to sell to new audiences. Can't lure them in with nostalgic feelings for certain singleplayer missions ala chernobyl or the nuke.
feral grotto
again.. just because a minority of people liked a game it doesn't make it good or eligible for a remaster
bleak marlin
pfff
bleak marlin
(The Battlefield 2142 Revive Project, which went live on Friday, 23rd September, saw over 11000 concurrent players did into Battlefield 2142's 64-player battles. At the time of publication, an impressive 2332 people had played today.)
feral grotto
living in the past is fun and all.. but new is much better
unreal ore
Excuse me when does the war i the pacific come out?
feral grotto
31st
sharp falcon
31!
bleak marlin
@unreal ore 31st
gray saffron
Thursdayy
sharp falcon
and wake islands in december
fervent rune
BANZAI
unreal ore
Oo i cant wait:3
sharp falcon
hey how many maps will they bring out till the end of BFV
gray saffron
Between 3 or the answer of life: 42
thorn mica
Do you think we will get the flame thrower attachment on the british and german tanks?
bleak marlin
https://youtu.be/l5NF3QI-2e8?t=7 2142 will all ways be my fav BF game
fervent rune
I want to play as Finland
gray saffron
We already bave a flamethrower on the croco for the brits
sharp falcon
2142?
fervent rune
And be a sniper
sharp falcon
then new battlefield should kick COD ass
thorn mica
Oh yea deffo
feral grotto
cod's ass is already kicked pretty deep ...
thorn mica
I just want to know the timeline of the next battlefield
feral grotto
MP on cod and co op is just horrible
sharp falcon
ground war LOL looks like people never played BF
stoic marten
My favourite BF game was BF 1942.
feral grotto
leave content a side.. the quality of the gameplay is just bad
they should've make a SP only game..
echo turtle
No one really knows where or when the next battlefield will be set
gray saffron
From what i heard about mw, spec ops is disappointing, maps are mweh, campaign rewrites real war crimes, ground war is bad version of bf :3
feral grotto
campaign is the only good thing about mw
echo turtle
They might stick with going through the wars up to modern times or make a fictional modern war up again
sharp falcon
people in the commets section of COD are saying COD MW is better than bf4
feral grotto
idk about better than war stories..
two seperated ways to tell a story
i like both
broken juniper
what guns work with bayonets in bfv??
echo turtle
Which war stories?
bleak marlin
https://youtu.be/Mk4wEAO07hM?t=21 great trailer of all time
feral grotto
multiple guns Hydratedmelon
broken juniper
how do you put them on?
gray saffron
Every class has a gun with bayonets. So many to count.
feral grotto
its a spec you put on
echo turtle
Through specializations
brave coral
Idk
echo turtle
Should be the last one
raw orbit
Lol
sharp falcon
lol! 😄
echo turtle
No one knows
brave coral
War stories can work I concept but bfv’s ones are pretty bad
pine crown
raw orbit
Not going to lie my dudes by all measures battlefield might as well just not bother with singleplayer
sharp falcon
i agreee
gray saffron
War stories were done way better in bf1. The plot development and gameplay structure are really mweh in most of bfv's war stories
sharp falcon
but comeone BF is about Multiplayer
echo turtle
If they have the resources to do so or to spruce up the next game might as well
Give those without an internet connection a way to play
sharp falcon
so! when is RSP?
bleak marlin
3142 what
sharp falcon
im fed up with hackers
bleak marlin
it would be 2143 dude
gray saffron
I would not mind it either if bf went mp only. My friends didn't even complete all the stories xd
raw orbit
4144 when?
sharp falcon
@bleak marlin just kidding
gray saffron
Chapter 5, blazing. No confirmation when though
feral grotto
nah.. i wouldn't want a mp only on bf
echo turtle
Should arrive sometime in the pacific
raw orbit
I stopped halfway through the Norway story
feral grotto
i enjoy the war stories
raw orbit
feral grotto
and well i enjoyed the campaign on 4 and hardline
bleak marlin
this is god like https://youtu.be/Mk4wEAO07hM?t=31
raw orbit
Bf4 I barely played and bf1 was okay but I hate the stealth sections in 1 and 5 like why
gray saffron
If bf has sp, i'd rather have a campaign then as they tend to flesh those out a bit more.
sharp falcon
u might hate it comeon its good
gray saffron
The prologue of bfv is amazing, gotta agree yeah
raw orbit
Bf3 campaign in a war stories format could work well like with the different characters 
And I literally do not remember what the bf5 prologue is lmao
gray saffron
That's essentially the co-op mode of bf3, caper. Those were standalone missions right? :3
feral grotto
meh..
raw orbit
Idk if I'm not gonna play it it's just better to spend the resources elsewhere
Same with firestorm
sharp falcon
to be honest i played the intro and the last tiger in BFV
echo turtle
I'd like a nice story alongside a campaign
Be nice to have if I lost internet for a bit
sharp falcon
@raw orbit Ahhhhh firestrom!
its gone
wish i play it again1
no one wants to play firestorm in Asia it just dont work! hey europe has firestorm active players
i will use VPN
will that work?
echo turtle
It was Criterion's resources that were used
feral grotto
i have 100% squad wins on firestorm 😐
echo turtle
Not much of a lose for dice
sharp falcon
@feral grotto awesome Dude 
feral grotto
but battleroyale games should take a break for the next 2-3 years
rather not have anything like it in the next bf
sharp falcon
they Took
echo turtle
Trend might die out by then
feral grotto
its already dying slowly..
sharp falcon
COD and BF wont bring BR anymore
echo turtle
And become a niche genre like it once was
feral grotto
just need a final shot in the head to make sure its down
with how mp goes on on cod right now maybe they should've put br on
lol
shy badger
We need a campaign that actually represents the game in the next bf (if it's not historical)
I find the concept of switching characters on the fly like in bf2 modern combat (or however it's called) perfect to introduce players to the game
alpine belfry
next bf game should be revolutionary war
echo turtle
Did that follow WW1?
shy badger
Have missions where players need to use different classes/vehicles to complete objectives
alpine belfry
coop campaign
frosty osprey
5.0 update will be on tommorow
shy badger
Not really as you can control any npc on the map alone
echo turtle
Combined arms is kind of a co-op campaign
prime pine
So yeah. 29th of october. For update.
I will give credit where its due. The fliegerfaust is clutch on fucking fjell combined arms.
alpine belfry
fliegerfaust is too good
echo turtle
Think mw is getting one
prime pine
Im all for ground defence versus planes in the form of an actual proper aa launcher
echo turtle
Not sure about it tho
prime pine
Currently as it is. Its overbearing.
alpine belfry
the thing is the FF is too powerful
echo turtle
Because it's doing what it's supposed to?
prime pine
"Look at these pilots cry that they cant get killstreaks!"
echo turtle
Planes ruled the battlefield
alpine belfry
the thing is the fliegerfaust is too easy to use
echo turtle
Fuck em
prime pine
Yeah look at you cry groveling on the ground, complaining about every little thing. (not you guys, hope you understand the context)
echo turtle
The AAs are garbo
prime pine
You're due to get killed by something in this game
alpine belfry
i believe flakfire talked about it pretty accurately
alpine belfry
the FF should deal a little bit more dmg but the rockets need to be more condensed and blow up much closer to a plane
so its not a blind high dmg spray
prime pine
Award accuracy not mindless sprays.
Reduce the damage output, increase accuracy for consistency
alpine belfry
no higher dmg
but only explode if the rockets hit the plane
not proximity detonation
prime pine
Yeah yeah
alpine belfry
no
pastel lion
Anti tank weapons dont allow you to kill in one shot
alpine belfry
thats because the armored combat is balenced
the infantry is able to deal with tanks but not easily
raw orbit
Tanks are also slow enough that you can find time to fire another shot
alpine belfry
it should be like that for planes
pastel lion
I mean Ig since there's almost literally no counter to planes and they can just destroy
Mobile aa is barely a counter
alpine belfry
right now the planes owning the battlefild has swithed the spectrum to infantry owning the air
prime pine
Its made medium planes useless
alpine belfry
it should be a balance
pastel lion
Needs to be balanced lol
echo turtle
Buff AAs then
alpine belfry
yes
raw orbit
Fly your planes higher so it's harder to get hit by AA 
pastel lion
Gimme my bofors AA for brits
echo turtle
Have them spit out more flak before overheating or reduce the cooldown time from the overheat
alpine belfry
for example AAs on fjell should have more visiblity and more effective against planes
make charging AAs headon very difficult
solid hinge
could make it fire all 9 tubes at once
prime pine
So give it some actual lead
solid hinge
more spread but more likely to hit
prime pine
Practically a shotgun yeah
alpine belfry
lesser spred
prime pine
Hell maybe a consistent pattern
alpine belfry
no lesser spread so it is harder to hit
solid hinge
Seems more fitting for an infantry tool
alpine belfry
make it a direct hit to deal dmg
prime pine
Make the pattern consistent to severely punish those who get close but limit long range fighting
solid hinge
the anti air flaks are supposed to be the more accurate things
alpine belfry
not proximity
prime pine
Yee ayla
solid hinge
not the teeny hand held stuff
bleak marlin
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/soldier/xXCAPTAINWOLFYXx/stats/1767219019/ps4/ so far this is what my BF4 stats looks like
prime pine
I havent been able to properly plah
Play
The past week
THANKS DAD
so
Sadly im not caught up on the meta
bleak marlin
if anyone can guess what the right side dog tag is
alpine belfry
the wide spread of the FF is what makes it so powerful
it makes it much easier to hit and deal high damage.
solid hinge
It's crazy powerful bodie
alpine belfry
yeah its able to one burst bombers of you hit them correctly
gray glade
i flew for the first time since fliegerfaust release, it felt easier to avoid death than i thought
but then again i usually fly at high altitude anyways
eric hartmann style
alpine belfry
stukas are almost completely countered
prime pine
Yeah no from the video and minor experience i have with it i think it'll be overbearing
Ayla
gray glade
i can imagine stukas suffering a bit
but surely it cant be all that bad for ju-88
the flieger does have a quite limited range, and if someone flies fast enough, you usually only get one shot off within range
but tbh if they nerfed it just a teenie tiny bit i would be fine
maybe increased the spread for it
prime pine
Thats my concern. Fighters and medium attack plane pilots who have spent months learning how to strafe than dealing with this shit basically invalidates what they have learned.
gray glade
what about the infantry man
that spent a year dyin without a proper chance to fight back
main grove
Maybe it would be more balanced if the damage doesn't change but it needs to be a direct hit
It would make getting good with it rewarding
Because right now it's too easy to use
Just a burst of 20mm rocket fire from the ground
Normal AA and MAA should stay airburst
Or they could add more choice to MAA
You could either choose for the more easy to use airburst or the more damaging but skill demanding solid Shot
Bombers who fly low aren't the problem
stoic breach
If it was direct hit it would need to fire all of its ammo at once and have alot spare
its forgiving for a reason
main grove
It's fighters who spam rockets for infy farming
And are impossible to get a decent enough AA burst on
Low bombers can be killed with a well placed tank shot
stoic breach
Yeah that still relies on tanks though
Good infantry/vehicle interplay needs to allow everything to kill everything else
main grove
To make planes think twice about strafing
gray glade
😄
gray glade
you usually only get one burst off though
stoic breach
Thats still too long I think
alpine belfry
it should still be 1 burst but much harder to use
gray glade
and thats even if they dive
stoic breach
Harder to use would make it pointless
gray glade
once i got two bursts off but he was going straight through me
main grove
How
stoic breach
More effort means more time looking in the air and less time looking at the ground where the majority of enemies are
main grove
It still should be good against planes
alpine belfry
it shouldnt be proximity detonation, it should do higher dmg, but have a very tight spread
main grove
Just not a fuck you delete button
stoic breach
But bombers and planes have had delete buttons since the game launched
alpine belfry
THATS because they are a vehicle
main grove
I'm terrible at killing infy in a bomber
stoic breach
Forcing bombers up higher into the air where they should already be isnt a bad thing
main grove
It's well hard for me
solid hinge
The fliegerfaust is balanced
alpine belfry
@solid hinge get outta here
solid hinge
No
gray glade
forcing planes to higher altitudes would funny enough make it more realistic, as they would be more inaccurate
rotund bluff
usa and jap in game yet?
gray glade
on thursday @rotund bluff
rotund bluff
ight imma head out
alpine belfry
the thing is the FF is a complete deterrent to ANY low elevation flying
stoic breach
Thats a good thing
alpine belfry
DIVEBOMBING
stoic breach
planes shouldnt be hugging trees and mountains
alpine belfry
The FF completely cancels any idea of a stuka or mosquito
stoic breach
planes shouldnt even really be in the game because they're way too binary
gray glade
battlefield distances is very different from irl ones, but afaik, even dive bombers like stuka dropped their load at like 400m up
and then climbed again
main grove
I mean we're talking about all this but planes themselves aren't balanced
Stuka and Blenheim are crap
main grove
Stuka was good before big bomb nerf
stoic breach
they could legit rebuff the stuka now
Cause it'll just get instafucked if it flies too low
alpine belfry
the FF should reward skill over blind fireing
gray glade
maybe either reduce explosion size or increase spread
alpine belfry
it shouldnt be a panic spam that destroys anything in its path
stoic breach
Thats how BFV got so fucked in the first place
alpine belfry
say for instance the PIAT
stoic breach
Dude, panic spam is how you should react to a fucking BOMBER flying towards you
alpine belfry
its good at anti tank but its used also against infantry
main grove
Bombers are shit though
alpine belfry
but its drawback is its drop and speed
stoic breach
Theres no space for "skill" when its infantry vs flying machine
alpine belfry
a skilled player can use the PIAT much more effectively than a not skilled player
stoic breach
eh its all explosives anyways
main grove
It's fighters that piss me off
alpine belfry
it should be that way with the FF
main grove
I infinitely prefer a bomber on the enemy team than a strafing fighter
alpine belfry
a not skilled player should still be able to use the FF well but not as well as a skilled player
main grove
My issue with FF is its the only way to kill aircraft now
alpine belfry
well just the better player
stoic breach
in a game where vehicles are designed to farm infantry
alpine belfry
how games should be
stoic breach
lol
main grove
Normal AA is still a joke
stoic breach
how would that be fun
Why not just force players to use the panzerfaust against planes
alpine belfry
the skilled player almost always beats the non skilled
stoic breach
bad luck to non-skilled player who cant hit a plane
Guess they'll keep being farmed
main grove
If vehicles spawned faster I'd be more willing for paper armour vehicles
alpine belfry
a non skilled player shouldnt have a trump card on skilled aircraft but it should still have a weapon against it
main grove
If a plane or tank has the same survability of an Infantryman
stoic breach
the aircraft ITSELF is a trump card against infantry
main grove
Then they should be always available
stoic breach
Why shouldnt infantry be able to easily defend themselves
alpine belfry
BECAUSE THEN PLANES ARE USELESS
stoic breach
Planes are already unbalanced as shit
alpine belfry
they should be able to defend themselves but not dominate aircraft
stoic breach
Besides, Fliegerfaust doesnt even have infinite range
alpine belfry
yeah
raw orbit
Can't believe air vehicles are actually threatened by anti-air now
gray glade
flieger has shorter range than normal AA i think
main grove
You do have the issue of making vehicles too weak
alpine belfry
but planes dont have unlimited effective range
alpine belfry
their MGs have a low accuracy at long ranges and therefore arent good
bombs have a drop time and limited precision from too high up so therefore its easier to fly lower but it shouldnt be a deathwish to fly low
main grove
Tbh it should
alpine belfry
it should be a risk not a certain death
stoic breach
Its definitely a huge risk
main grove
And not really worth the risk
Medium range is fine
Still can get attacked but still
alpine belfry
but flying high isnt rewarding so planes now are in an awkward position
stoic breach
Planes have been in an awkward position for months
main grove
Flying high has the reward of not getting shot down
solid hinge
lol
alpine belfry
they arent effective at far ranges but die anytime they get close
stoic breach
fucking vehicle nerfs because of attrition
attrition causing bombs and MG ammo to resupply at the same rate
raw orbit
Pilot's idea of effective is getting 100-0 kills 
main grove
I understand this feels shit if you're not a level 140 flyboy who has a kd of 660 or something
stoic breach
Bigboss probably wouldnt even be affected by the fliegerfaust being added
main grove
But the fact that they could even do that shows that planes are unbalanced
alpine belfry
im not a flyboy but i do like balance
alpine belfry
i fly sometimes but im mostly a assualt or M tanker
main grove
I often kick ass in a light tank and feel bad but then are reminded that I get destroyed by pretty much everything
solid hinge
like to use the tank I think its quite affective to blow there fucking brains out
alpine belfry
also may i say the current status of tanking is annoying because most people sit in the back of the map with a tiger because pushing up is a deathwish if you dont have inf support
solid hinge
ye
stoic breach
Tank balance is just shit
stoic breach
Turret limits and movement speed
raw orbit
drive tank
why can't I just mindlessly roll into the objective uncontested and get 100 kills with no way to stop me smh nerf c4
stoic breach
Flicking tanks is fine if infantry AT is good enough to match
AT needs to be buffed to the equivalent of fliegerfaust AA
solid hinge
honest to god I kick arse in the tank
alpine belfry
the status with tanks isnt a game mechanic problem just people dont support their tanks
shy badger
unbelievable, no one can do good in a tank!
stoic breach
Because they're badly designed and require support
shy badger
It's impossible!
main grove
Tanks need support IRL
alpine belfry
@stoic breach no AT is fine as it is
stoic breach
Its not
solid hinge
well blackout your speaking to one
stoic breach
You either sneak up to a tank, or its camping too far away to do anything about
alpine belfry
its not too powerful but its not too weak
solid hinge
that was a joke
main grove
They would be shit without infy guarding them from C4 runners
alpine belfry
THEY SHOULD
solid hinge
ure right
stoic breach
If they could just drive away fast enough
alpine belfry
tanks were not solo irl
main grove
Combined arms is a concept for a reason
stoic breach
You already have to use up a tank spawn, why would you THEN need to keep relying on infantry
shy badger
the IRL argument doesn't hold up in bf
alpine belfry
they had infantry support
solid hinge
the only thing is is that its easy to blow one up
shy badger
stop with it
stoic breach
When you're supposed to be able to melt infantry
stoic breach
Thats why AT would need to get buffed as well
Tanks can solo an objective, but infantry can solo a tank like it used to be able to in BF3 and BF4
alpine belfry
a tank should be a powerful tool but should be assisted by the inf
stoic breach
By shooting it in the back with an RPG
main grove
People want BF to be a game with instakills all around
Where you can make ebin montages
stoic breach
Well thats how the game gets hype and gets more players
If more players can do amazing shit
solid hinge
there should be a game mode where you can us e tanks only
alpine belfry
tanks shouldnt be able to be killed by a single guy
stoic breach
Or at least keeps players
main grove
It makes the best players actually unkillable though
alpine belfry
instantly
stoic breach
The best players right now are unkillable
solid hinge
it would be solely archers and valentines vs tigers currently
main grove
I believe in skill ceiling for all
alpine belfry
dont trash talk the 38
alpine belfry
its powerful if used correctly
main grove
If players got 2 shotted by panzetfausts then no one will play tanks ever again
main grove
They'll be awful
solid hinge
not if they're appropriately stronger
stoic breach
Tanks would just need to be powerful enough
prime pine
Sluxx would heavily disagree..... But the 38T has always been better.
stoic breach
AKA flicking tanks
solid hinge
tank vs tank damage deserves a buff
solid hinge
i still hate the idea of tank flicks
prime pine
I find the fact that tanks were the same all around was the simplest form of balance
stoic breach
Everyone dying really easily would very much still seperate better players from worse ones
solid hinge
If they're gonna slap attrition in the game then things have to die appropriately
prime pine
Now you worry you're to be outgunned by a tank in a higher tier
solid hinge
You can use 70% of your total ammo in a tank on ONE enemy tank currently
main grove
Oh my god the game would jump from 6/10 to 8/10 if they just fucking delete attrition
shy badger
It was the simplest but it was really boring balance
stoic breach
Yeah, also faction vehicles should be directly balanced against the opposite vehicle
solid hinge
Tanks need to be able to shit on enemy tanks
stoic breach
of the opposite faction
alpine belfry
you believe that because people are better than you, they should be punished for being good
shy badger
And not really possible in bfv unless you disregard the common consensus that "big turret make big boom small turret small boom:"
alpine belfry
and bad players should be rewared for being bad
stoic breach
Deleting attrition would literally reward everyone
bad players already get rewarded for being bad lol
raw orbit
Attrition 👏 good 👏
stoic breach
dont kill anyone and still top the leaderboard because "me press E me help team"
alpine belfry
so then youre complaining about good players
stoic breach
good players can actually kill people in an FPS
desert crater
no, press 3 instead
main grove
Bad is going 3-20 on the scoreboard because you get stomped by someone good
And have no chance to improve
stoic breach
You can go 3-20 and still get top 5 players because you can throw ammo fast enough
alpine belfry
thats how all games will be
raw orbit
Also the fact is it's clearly way easier to do insanely good in a plane as opposed to as infantry or as a tank
main grove
No you can't you can't get shit in this game for resupplying
It's such a pathetic amount of points
solid hinge
it's objectively easier to do good in a tank than a plane
Imagine attrition being an issue
main grove
And everyone just uses ammo Stations everywhere
solid hinge
id argue it's even easier to do good as infantry than plane
stoic breach
attrition gives everything the same cooldown
solid hinge
plane spm tends to be shit
shy badger
Depends what kind of plane and what map
main grove
Planes can't PTFO
solid hinge
Imo they shouldve gone further with attrition instead of backing down
shy badger
And gamemode
alpine belfry
one reason planes are powerful is becasuse they cant take objs
main grove
So they lose out on score
shy badger
bombers on fjell had incredible spm
alpine belfry
they have high killing potential but if your team dont take flags you will still lose
solid hinge
Because fjell conquest is badly balanced
raw orbit
Brother how often do you see infantry get ridiculous k/ds as opposed to aircraft
solid hinge
Hows that any different from a tank
It's bootleg air superiority
Or even infantry
Ur team sucks ass = u lose
No matter what ur playing
shy badger
The whole concept of having an infantry/plane map with no real counter to planes is badly balanced
Not just the map
alpine belfry
people need to understand that objs are the main purpose of the game not kills
solid hinge
Agree
It's inherently easier to die as infantry but it's also way easier to be relevant to the match
stoic breach
that just rewards players for doing nothing and lets you run away from a fight and still win
main grove
Planes just play their own weird game
solid hinge
I hate the argument of “If I farm kills here theres nobody to contest the obj 
“
main grove
Where the only purpose of an objective is bait for bombs
alpine belfry
you can assist your team taking a flag but you cant take it yourself
stoic breach
thats why planes are bad for balance
fervent rune
The hardest part of being a pilot is to get into a plane
solid hinge
What they should do for planes is increase their map size by 3x same with height. Change AA guns to do more and more dmg the closer to the ground the plane is
main grove
3x height
solid hinge
This would make obj bombing take more skill due to having to drop bombs from higher
main grove
We playing Battlefield space edition
stoic breach
hahaha
solid hinge
when did they give recon wings
main grove
Orbital strike edition
solid hinge
it's high enough as is
stoic breach
planes already can orbital strike
solid hinge
i literally can't see anything on the ground
alpine belfry
also high weight bombs should be real in that they dont blow up on impact sometimes, like in war thunder they land and if you react fast enough you can escpape
main grove
It's not even rendered
solid hinge
Thats why I said in addition changes to AA gun damage depending on range
solid hinge
Idk about that tbf
main grove
They don't
main grove
They only feel that way because the meta is to drop them about 4 feet off the ground
shy badger
what?
prime pine
Ayla. Have you bombed as of recently?
shy badger
I can never hear a plane when it's about to bomb me
Impossible for me to dodge
am I just deaf
main grove
Bombs are well shit when I use them
solid hinge
Been doing a lil bit recently
solid hinge
and even if you could how the hell are you gonna be able to dodge a fucking bomb while youre in the middle of a gunfight
prime pine
It takes a long time to adjust your eyes to the ground
solid hinge
I still can't see anything on the ground
coral fiber
Ok so the fliegerfaust's effective range is within 300m
prime pine
Are vehicles possible to spot?
solid hinge
You dont need to see anything just bomb the flags
stoic breach
Dude just use your eyes xd cause thats the solution to everything zoomer 😩
solid hinge
On the off chance someone flares my kills noticeably spike
alpine belfry
I have an idea, bombs should have an effective arming range where if they are dropped to low they wont have enough time to straighten out and explode on impact, that way if dropped from a high enough height they will blow up immediately
solid hinge
Not a bad idea
prime pine
You get the most random of multi kills in this game
main grove
I mean I think giving bombs advanced mechanics isnt the answer
stoic breach
bombs would have to be buffed to compensate for the arming range but that wouldnt be bad
solid hinge
Have u ever been on a commercial plane
stoic breach
haha yeah planes need rebalance first
solid hinge
They don’t actually fly 100m off the ground
alpine belfry
that way the stuka bombs will blow up on impact almost always because the bomb is dropped already facing the ground
stoic breach
oh yes
solid hinge
Bomber vs tank dmg needs adjusting as well
desert dune
Ilya muromets flashbacks
solid hinge
The fact that u can one shot a tiger is a big 
Planes irl arent anything like planes in this game
main grove
They go very high
stoic breach
Well if the tiger could drive faster it wouldnt be that bad
solid hinge
They have to change because otherwise they'd be untouchable
main grove
Because the ground is scary
stoic breach
if you couldnt one shot a tiger what would be the point of trying to kill a camping tiger
with a bomber
solid hinge
small arms fire should do more damage to planes
alpine belfry
bombs should have and effective height for instant detonation or else they will land and wait a bit before exploding
shy badger
No, people have realized
stoic breach
bombers should be lethal against tanks yeah
solid hinge
you can still drive sideways and dodge a bomber
alpine belfry
bombers are effective against camping tanks so that it incentivises tanks to move
solid hinge
I had a very nice exchange with a fighter the other day. He started shooting my panzer 4 with the rockets straight from spawn and started doing bombing runs. I had to jump in and out of my tank to repair for about 10 minutes at the spawn point until a friendly fighter engaged him. Epic
alpine belfry
well you cant make tanks too fast
main grove
Tanks have decent speed it's the acceleration that hurts
Tiger takes like 5 seconds to suddenly lurch forward in speed
stoic breach
faster speed and acceleration then
main grove
I don't want race tigers
shy badger
The tanks in bf4 well really fucking fast but yet there were plenty of campers on silk road
solid hinge
AT is good here too
shy badger
So maybe the solution is to buff AT at range and not buff tank speed?
stoic breach
AT fucking sucks
shy badger
I do agree that AT isn't good enough at range
balmy creek
BUFF BOMBERS
solid hinge
Nah
alpine belfry
the top gunner of a tank should always be loaded with incindiery rounds that deal extra dmg to planes
balmy creek
BUFF BOMBERS
shy badger
That would actually be cool bob semple
stoic breach
high power game makes it more fun for everyone playing
solid hinge
@alpine belfry Damn youre popping with good ideas mate
alpine belfry
like the infantry incin rounds for mmgs
main grove
What razen wants is this
Infy rapes infy, planes and tanks
Tanks rape tanks, infy and planes
Planes rape planes, Infy and tanks
balmy creek
Lower bullet vel on the top gunner?
balmy creek
The bullets go slow enough as it is
main grove
I dunno about that
stoic breach
😳
solid hinge
Interesting
shy badger
The bullets are actually pretty fast
main grove
It makes everything feel worthless and disposable
shy badger
From what I can tell
solid hinge
the bot has odd offlimit words
balmy creek
They're not
stoic breach
Well everything should be able to rape everything but also be able to deal with it
Glass cannon is how infantry vs infantry is
shy badger
I like tanks being glass cannons
solid hinge
Bruh
stoic breach
now infantry vs plane
solid hinge
Tanks vs Tanks should be a lot more glass cannon than it currently is
shy badger
Rewards players who play smart r
alpine belfry
i have an idea, bombing should be much more inaccurate, this makes tank busting still effective but harder to do
solid hinge
Tbf yeah tank vs tank should be way more glass cannon rn
bombing being inaccurate hurts
stoic breach
bombing being innaccurate is less player control
alpine belfry
so that way precision bombers like the stuka are more accurate
solid hinge
Tiger should be able to two shot the staghound
main grove
Tanks are the best way to kill other tanks IRL
solid hinge
the bombs dont have large enough explosion radius
shy badger
Wait can't a tiger do that already?
solid hinge
@main grove false
main grove
How
alpine belfry
best way to kill tanks are shaped charges
solid hinge
maybe with magic tiger special rounds
Best way to get rid of a tank is an anti tank gun
main grove
A tank gun is designed almost solely for destroying other tanks
desert crater
tank destroyers were the best way to kill tanks
solid hinge
Afaik ww2 sherman kills were 81% anti tank guns
main grove
Tank guns are AT guns just fitted into a turret
desert crater
it's in the name
alpine belfry
irl the panzerfaust could one shot a tiger
solid hinge
Thats why at guns are better
stoic breach
I forgot that tanks are meant to be force multipliers and not just bullet sponges
stoic breach
so buffing AT would honestly make sense
solid hinge
Require less men
desert crater
alpine belfry
the panzerfaust could technically one shot all the tanks in the game if you hit the ammunition
stoic breach
"require less men" should've been applied to BF game design
And panzerfaust OHK sounds fun
shy badger
What no it can't
stoic breach
wish it was that good in game
alpine belfry
yes it can
solid hinge
Panzerfaust could disable tank without hitting the ammunition
Could kill a crew member or hit something else
Also the blast inside the tank from the faust isnt nice
alpine belfry
the PF was a shaped charge that would melt and send copper into tank killing or exploding ammunition
stoic breach
It is
solid hinge
What r u on about
stoic breach
it could be possible
main grove
Maybe to counter camping tanks
stoic breach
If the panzerfaust could one shot tanks from behind
solid hinge
the panzerfaust could technically one shot all the tanks in the game if you hit the ammunition
alpine belfry
not in BFV but in war thunder thats how HEAT works
main grove
Make it so the splash drops off over range
stoic breach
panzerfaust?
shy badger
Well I've got to go but no the panzerfaust can't one shot all tanks in bfv
That's a game, not real life
main grove
How splash is right now
alpine belfry
heat in BFV just codeword for high dmg
main grove
Not good
stoic breach
wait splash for what?
main grove
That will be the minimum
solid hinge
@shy badger u should read what we was talking about lmao
main grove
What I'm saying is
Give tanks cannons way more splash a close range
And then buff AT
stoic breach
Well thats kind of how the Pz4 is technically
Except its just not super effective at super long distances
main grove
I mean even with a large cannon
alpine belfry
Tanks should have more shell types
solid hinge
Tbf its been almost a year now since the game came out and I doubt theyre planning on doing anything about balance because if they were they wouldve done it already
main grove
So if you shoot a tiger right close
The OHK splash is 12m
stoic breach
I think that kind of just makes tanks less fun, I've thought about reduced damage but it sort of punishes tanks for just generally keeping distance, not straight up camping
solid hinge
they've been taking ages to balance anything
gloomy kraken
eta for patch notes?
alpine belfry
They should have an easy switch from AP and HE but still have the special round
stoic breach
Well tanks being able to destroy at any range is pretty appealing
Its just the fun nature of tanks
main grove
Maybe yeah
stoic breach
Nah, PIAT should just do less vehicle damage
alpine belfry
n o
stoic breach
Panzerfaust should have no splash but high vehicle crit
solid hinge
Either way a dmg reduction would be nice
main grove
PIAT should have less crit damage
shy badger
Aye sry I was checking thw chat and saw that comment
Assumed you were talking about bfv my bad
main grove
But faust rewards precise shots
solid hinge
panzerfaust currently is just inferior piat
alpine belfry
PIAT should do the same as PF but the PIATs drop is so bad
stoic breach
PIAT isnt even designed for vehicles and yet its better against vehicles
solid hinge
piat drop just takes time to get used to
alpine belfry
OH YES IT WAS
solid hinge
Fairly certain the AT in PIAT means anti tank
main grove
PIAT does stand for portable infantry anti tank
solid hinge
not in game
stoic breach
yeah but for the sake of gadget balance
solid hinge
it shoots HE in game
main grove
Panzetfausts should be soley AT
stoic breach
literally for the sake of gadget balance
main grove
While PIAT is dual purpose
stoic breach
I mean, if there were more launchers maybe they could both be good
solid hinge
faust has basically 0 splash and does same vehicle damage as piat with a longer reload
alpine belfry
yeah because the Allies are fucktards and didn't know what HEAT was yet
stoic breach
but as it stands, PIAT is superior
main grove
Faust needs more crit damage and less drop
solid hinge
the ONLY thing the panzerfaust has is velocity
main grove
Yeah
solid hinge
piat is better in literally every other way
sweet fulcrum
guys patch notes
stoic breach
And if ammo 2.0 replaced attrition, it could have a longer gadget cooldown than panzerfaust
main grove
Theoretically faust should reload faster than PIAT
stoic breach
too bad we got attrition though
main grove
It just get another one
alpine belfry
faust should get extra dmg for hitting areas where ammunition is stored
midnight nimbus
lmao Breda getting nerf batted is hilarious
main grove
But you character takes the piss
solid hinge
oh fuck the notes
sweet fulcrum
ah yes the notes
plush flume
Yes, final the notes
solid hinge
FLARE BUFF
icy sluice
Players are now able to inspect their primary and secondary weapons directly while playing. Simply hold down the commorose button, and press the reload button to take a look.
solemn pebble
o no
icy sluice
Immediately
solemn pebble
17 gb
sweet fulcrum
GUYS
INSPECT WEAPON!
main grove
MP28 finally no longer has a brick sized front post
stoic breach
POWER DRAIN
plush flume
Commorose?
sweet fulcrum
@main grove nice
solid hinge
Model 8 buff
unique crater
fuck I forgot I had this discord server
main grove
Breda nerf isn't too bad
plush flume
What is this commorose?
stoic breach
MORE BUTTONS
brave coral
Weapon inspect is cool
solid hinge
Lewis nerf
stoic breach
This game is absolute undisputed genius
solid hinge
Suomi buff
main grove
What's the point of inspecting secondary weapons
sweet fulcrum
@plush flume the thing you can request order, request healing or ping objective as squad leader
stoic breach
They managed to run out of buttons on your fucking keyboard and controller
main grove
Like no skins exist
alpine belfry
YES THEY BUFFED THE SUOMI
plush flume
Oh
sweet fulcrum
@sudden estuary because why not inspect always cool
brave coral
I guess cool factor
solid hinge
What in the fuck does this mean
lapis hare
unique crater
Bomber nerf 
icy sluice
Model 8 Shoots faster 
solid hinge
Bursting just didnt work? Wtf
unique crater
Mosquito swatter gun pls
main grove
Every patch goes by with them still thinking bolts are fine and balanced
midnight nimbus
@solid hinge probably idle sdec
midnight nimbus
idk I'll check on it when I can read the files
solid hinge
fuck they fixed the bayonet bug
come ON
leave something nice in the game for us
bastards
icy sluice
Fixed an issue where players would be able to jump whilst charging.
sadness noises
stoic breach
they still havent removed the animations from dead players
solid hinge
Oh what the fuck they removed jumping while bayonet charging
What the hell
Put that back
solid hinge
You're telling me jumping while charging was a fucking 11 month long bug?
Not an intended feature?
Are you kidding me
whaov 17 GB
I hate this game sometimes
stoic breach
they were too busy making halloween skins
icy sluice
What's good is that you can probably now cancel a bayonet charge by jumping
main grove
Everyone here can do a better job
rancid pulsar
should I stay BF1 or buy BF5?
solid hinge
I hope so
icy sluice
That way you don't fucking end up sprinting a mile past the attacker
stoic breach
BF1
icy sluice
hoary creek
When update?
solid hinge
Oh shit they changed tank gunner positions
rancid pulsar
@main grove I feel like BF 5 is not fun
main grove
1 was less controversial though in its design choices