Oh yeah, I forgot you can change that.
#battlefield-legacy-titles
torn frigate
@gray saffron did the EA dudes give you your money back for BF1?
gray saffron
why?
torn frigate
I remember you saying you cant play the game
gray saffron
hmm, wasn't me ๐ฎ game works fine for me
desert dune
It takes me a solid 2 minutes to figure out how to use C4
Man I should know better
Itโs exactly like dynamite 
gray saffron
right to throw, left to blow ;D
desert dune
WWI soldier learns how to use really modern weapons
junior badger
Yo, im trying to complete an assignment where you have to either do 950 damage while in a bipod or like 2k damage to tanks while support but neither are going up. Any ideas as to why?
gray glade
@junior badger do you have the right combat role?`
some of the machine gunner assignments require you to use the machine gunner role, so if you have engineer it wont count
junior badger
Yeh because there is a 3rd part in it which is completed already
gray glade
double check that you have selected both machinegunner role for both axis and allies then
sometimes they reset, at least they did for me
brave coral
Damage to tanks sounds more like Vehicle Hunter or whatever for Assault. Support doesnโt have much AT tbh. Or is it just a general assignment/old ToW one?
solid hinge
which assignment?
silk lantern
is bf3 worth getting or is it a dead game at this point? (pc)
sturdy osprey
Dude I'm back and all i can think about is getting that trench carbine all gold . But i don't wanna throw my controller 
gray saffron
what assignment are you stuck at?
sturdy osprey
The 3rd one get 25 kills using hipfire
gray saffron
it might work in the co-op mode :3
gray saffron
assignments count in the combined arms mode, as long as the assignment doesn't say stuff like "in an objective area" or "in pvp"
sturdy osprey
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gray saffron
@silk lantern there are around 1k players on PC, ps3 has 900, 360 has 600. so it seems the playerbase is quite small.
silk lantern
@gray saffron hmm alright thanks for the info
main oracle
When is the pacific coming
icy sluice
!!when
ruby trailBOT
Soonโข
gray saffron
November prolly though
echo turtle
Maybe that's what those Halloween skins that were datamined are for
or for a present
solid hinge
im missing shots at range because people stop doing full animations and start moving at 5fps
marita is genuinely the worst map in the game
the bush camping is atrocious and the leaves cover up flare spots so I cant even see someone when I KNOW they're there
they can see out just fine though
i killed a bush camper and a medic came along to rez him right in front of me, the bush ate my throwing knife and then the back melee didnt execute
he got the rez off and killed me
its genuinely fucking horrible to play against
stoic breach
Why are you still playing then 
digital seal
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raw orbit
idk what even makes marita bad but i hate it 
maybe its how half the map is just big valleys with no cover or somethign idk
echo turtle
Feels like Monte Grappe
digital seal
I enjoy Martia over Mercury and Op Underground
raw orbit
i love monte grappe tho
digital seal
Are you saying Monte Grappe feels like Marita?
raw orbit
i disagree
digital seal
I disagree as well
raw orbit
man i liked al the bf1 maps now that i think about it
digital seal
Monte Grappe is not urban at all and Marita caters toward house/bush camping dummies
If you disagree it's because you're the MMG/sniper house/bush camping person ๐
icy sluice
I end up running around the map as a recon with a pistol carbine and end up wrecking the enemy's day
digital seal
Well unless your name is @icy sluice because they're a different breed of recon
raw orbit
i dont know why the trench carbine feels so good like aside from the ammo size i expected to just end up with a bad gun but its so fun 
icy sluice
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half wolf
IIRC it has like no spread and the fire rate cap is bugged
buddy of mine went 97-2 with it
raw orbit
wew
digital seal
MOST recon are completely useless
clear aspen
hows the m28 con tromboncino?
raw orbit
the damage feels too low for me if you dont just headshot everyone 
the grenade launcher si rad tho
icy sluice
Recon Pro-Tip, use the sniper decoy in objectives and it can help defend
icy sluice
If just one person in the push shoots it, more than likely every single person in that push will be spotted by the flare that shoots up
raw orbit
it shoots a flareee?
icy sluice
If an enemy destroys it, it fires a spotting flare upwards
raw orbit
i never see them used and ive never used it myself i just assumed it only spots the person who shoots it
whack
icy sluice
Really helpful now
raw orbit
now? is it a new thing the flare?
solid hinge
Any bf4 sale expected soon?
icy sluice
Been in since launch afaik
raw orbit
o
guess ill try it tomorrow
i have some assignments ive been putting off because i dont wanna use the decoy
also throwing knives on the church staircase on devastation is actually stupid good
icy sluice
I've spotted an entire team with it before and then a plane ended up bombing every single person
half wolf
I know we're not supposed to discuss cheats/specific naming and shaming and all that, but has anyone noticed how much more people have been cheating these last couple of weeks? It's a substantial uptick. There was a period last week where every single match I got into had someone blatantly cheating.
Is it because of the free weekend/all that?
raw orbit
honestly i dont think ive ever found someone who i could say is blatantly cheating but maybe EU servers get away with it idk
clear aspen
nah i noticed that too
saw alot of ppl running around hip firing with mgs and getting 200+ kills
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half wolf
The new thing I've seen is snipers - since they instant-kill with headshots anyway it's a lot harder to tell, but I've just seen matches where every 30 seconds, anyone exposed on the map just... dies.
Even back in our spawn lol
strong parrot
lul...just had a certain community manager in game 
half wolf
I just ragequit/uninstalled. Just had a match with 5 hackers in it spread between the 2 sides. Just farming everyone else.
Which is just the biggest of oofs if I ever seen it.
raw orbit
dont wanna call anyone a liar but based on my own experience i find it extremely hard to believe anyone gets 2.5 hackers in each game
half wolf
@raw orbit First time I ever saw it. Think it was a squad. I just went through, reported everyone, and just yoinked out.
digital seal
Biggest piece of advice is to not react to them in game. Most of them do it for shits n giggs or to piss everybody off so when they don't get any reaction, they'll leave 
raw orbit
i guess multiple hackers playing together makes sense
half wolf
@digital seal Agreed - however "just avoid them" is becoming increasingly difficult these days. Hoping that there's some progress made on the anticheat front because it's getting quite frustrating.
Especially when you can look on BattlefieldTracker and see they've been pulling this stuff since launch. ๐คท
Avoid, report, find another server is all ya can do.
strong parrot
inb4 a certain insufferable douchebag around here comes in with "xd they are just god aimers bro"
half wolf
@strong parrot who?
strong parrot
youll know him when you see it 
half wolf
Technically they are god aimers, if you go the "higher powers are omnipotent" route.
I feel like every BF game goes through a big period of time where they get plagued by cheating, then they manage to clean things up. So hopefully the same happens here.
Anyway
Gets down from soapbox.
Just had a frustrating week of matches with this stuff and needed to bitch
solid hinge
feel free
imo it's absolutely ridiculous that people can name common cheaters by name because they havent been banned in so long
That moment when you try to find a breakthrough match but it puts you in a grand ops breakthrough match
they'll remove game modes because the playerbase isnt big enough but they wont manually ban cheaters huh
digital seal
The cheaters increase the playercount ๐
half wolf
@solid hinge Well that's why they're not putting more effort into anticheat - The playerbase isn't big enough to justify the expenditure of getting BattleEye or some other third party anticheat software, or continuing to develop any new internal tools.
solid hinge
im gonna go with them being incompetent over that
half wolf
It makes sense from a business perspective, the financial harm of not banning cheaters is less than the amount they'd have to sink in to develop their own program or license Battleye.
solid hinge
they want to retain the current dedicated playerbase who buy boind
sturdy osprey
OK I quit
solid hinge
if they lose their whales they lose the majority of profits
half wolf
I don't think Boins is as big of a cash cow as people think. Stuff is super overpriced, and given how delayed they launched, I think they lost their cows anyway.
Also on an aside - i like how people prefer this over the "premium" model with map packs and stuff, where a single character costs as much as 4 maps/8 guns in BF1.
solid hinge
Looking back at your messages imma just tell you know that the anti cheat sucks
The sheer amount of people I see using elites alone is ridiculously large considering everything
digital seal
Battlefield is not a real cow in any sense
solid hinge
That's not counting the rare skins
half wolf
The funny thing is those elites cost as much as a freaking DLC in earlier games.
solid hinge
That's exactly why they want to keep them round
digital seal
I misss CLose Quarters DLC ๐ฆ
half wolf
Is it just me or is the damage model for buildings worse now than it used to be?
Even outside of CQ, you'd see chunks of wall/building falling off.
This feels like we're back to Bad Company 2 levels of destruction - except you can't even fully level a building.
digital seal
Wait, what was the free weekend mode this time?
digital seal
Ahhh haven't played since Friday with the #FNB crew and we hardly played for long at all
half wolf
It's not really worthwhile. Doesn't bring anything new to the table in terms of experience.
Just a taste for people who might buy this game for $20 now lol.
I'm interested to see if DICE continues the game past the Pacific DLC. I don't think it can sustain the population it has for much longer anyway (and I'd like to see those numbers too).
Is there any idea for how big the playerbase is for this game?
digital seal
I find it funny how in origin, I bought/pre-ordered the deluxe edition but it's still trying to make me buy the deluxe edition in the "extra content" section
solid hinge
Its still the most recent battlefield game so itll have a dedicated playerbase for a while
if battlefront 2 is anything to go by they'll support it all throughout 2020
rotund beacon
I actually like battlefront 2
half wolf
if deluxe == True
disp('Thank you for buying Deluxe')
else
disp('BUY DELUXE YOU FRIGGIN COW')
end
We have an inkling considering that small modes like Rush/Frontlines/Domination are basically dead, which only happened around a year and a half/2+ years into BF1's lifespan.
digital seal
Well of course Bob Saget likes Battlefront 2 ๐
half wolf
Also @solid hinge Battlefront 2 got the support because Disney knuckled down and told EA/DICE that they'd lose their Star Wars license if they didn't unfuck it, because it makes the multibillion dollar franchise look bad. Not necessarily because of profit.
Battlefield doesn't have that same level of pull, because ya boi Mickey hasn't gotten his greasy tentacles into it yet.
solid hinge
It was fucked for a solid year before they added anything
and the recent content is still more showy than actual content
lavish raptor
i mean im not trying to reach
solid hinge
nothing for any of the existing classes in the game, no new weapons or equipment, just a conquest variant and new reinforcements
lavish raptor
but dice sensors a whole helluva lot of chinese topics the communists censor
like LiuXiaobo
solid hinge
EA have already wasted most of the star wars licence anyway
lavish raptor
nothing in there to flag
half wolf
Yeah, it's literally just enough to get the narrative that Battlefront 2 is an okay game and stop it hurting Disney's bottom line. DICE isn't going to sink that much more money into a failed project than they absolutely have to.
lavish raptor
idk just thought of bringing that up in case someone didnt know but yeah ea censors a lot of chinese topics
half wolf
Every company does - because they're sold and played in China.
lavish raptor
since for some reason everyones just now becoming aware of how brutal the communist regime is and is boycotting blizzard
even though its been that way for like 50 years
strong parrot
just post recorded footage on reddit of a cheater and have it massively upvoted till a dev sees it and replies with "reported internally"
that always gets em
solid hinge
they're still supporting it cause episode 9 is coming out
they ain't gonna give up the most recent game they can throw a movie connection into
half wolf
Not to get into the geopolitical dumpster fire that is China, but I'm glad Blizzard/Lebron are catching this heat because it draws attention to how much power Chinese business has over American companies.
digital seal
Game companies shouldn't have a political agenda that influences the development of their games
Plain and simple
half wolf
@digital seal Agreed - the point of contention is just that they need to ensure that they're palatable to the Chinese gov't so they can access that market.
lavish raptor
yes
no one stated otherwise lol
its well established in like 5th grade how a business operates
half wolf
It's not exactly taking a political stance per se, but it's making sure that there's nothing that risks their bottom line. Playing it very safe.
lavish raptor
just like how a boycott and unions force business's to change there way of operation
half wolf
Remember the backlash from when Siege almost censored aspects of its game for the Chinese market?
Anyway we've dove far off topic here.
lavish raptor
no
half wolf
?
half wolf
One last thing before we return to battlefield - the people making Top Gun 2 removed the tiny Taiwan flag on the back of Tom Cruise's jacket.
Sips tea.
Yeah. Spicy.
RSP ain't coming
calling it now
low totem
so, 100 million for next ToW eh? itll be tight, i reckon
digital seal
100m Kills/assists between the entire community
lavish raptor
thats not even remotely difficult IMO with the total player count
half wolf
What is the total player count?
low totem
is it cross platform though?
digital seal
Yeah no, that won't take very long
lavish raptor
id assume its crossplatform
digital seal
Yeah, all platforms combined
half wolf
The playerbase is too small and the cost of implementing it too high - if they make RSP, it'll be really expensive for users, not free. Otherwise there's no real justification to do it.
digital seal
Anybody who gets a kill/assist to help towards the goal will get the reward ๐
sturdy osprey
๐๐๐๐๐๐ Fuck mp
half wolf
uh what
lavish raptor
can you leave
half wolf
can you just not
lavish raptor
fuck off you fucking degenerate quit killing my vibe @sturdy osprey
sturdy osprey
Multiplayer
half wolf
Here's a question for ye - Do you think that the pacific will get delayed to Q1 2020 at minimum?
digital seal
Eugene, can ya please stop being disruptive to the conversation? (I'm asking nicely)
sturdy osprey
.... ok
digital seal
I hope nothing else gets delayed. That'll be bad news bears for the game if something else gets delayed
low totem
if they did delay it, it'd essentially kill of the game for good, IMHO. they need this big DLC now, during the big pre-christmas sales period
not DLC
update
technically both
because you download it
half wolf
Oh I didn't even think of that, jaketeaking.
If they push it after Christmas, then they're losing out on all those sales.
echo turtle
Yeah
echo turtle
Having it go through Christmas would generate some decent sales
low totem
if it needs a week or two of extra spit to get it just right, sure. after christmas? no.
half wolf
@digital seal I'd say for DICE too. EA will make their money back other ways and will survive this. DICE... not so. Considering what happens to other studios that collapse.
echo turtle
Well dice have been their "golden boys" for a while
digital seal
DICE is the bigger studio for EA, they're going nowhere (I hope)
echo turtle
Even through their fuck ups
echo turtle
And they're an original EA studio
half wolf
At least BF1 was apparently a massive success.
lavish raptor
not trying to be negative but they really need to give some insight into there schedule and work as it really seems like the delays are just a middle finger to the consumer
echo turtle
Imagine how it would paint EA if they axed them
half wolf
Smooth launch, consistent support, seemed to be generally very well received.
echo turtle
3rd or 2nd best selling game on the Xbox one
half wolf
I'm worried that Modern Warfare is going to really hurt BF5's chances around the holidays.
lavish raptor
honestly i really doubt much of the core playerbase will leave for MW
echo turtle
Survival scandal might have a few not buy it
half wolf
@lavish raptor Not the core playerbase, but the new people that DICE need to attract around the holiday.
Also Activision confirmed no lootboxes in MW.
lavish raptor
well then i hope it does take a lot of people
half wolf
Just made a press release this past week.
echo turtle
They switched to a battlepass system
lavish raptor
because it will make dice work
echo turtle
God forbid they make a premium version (won't look good for them, that's for sure)
low totem
ill give them credit where its due, at least theyre trying to reinvent their old ideas. i belive the last time they did anything remotely similar to this was world at war
echo turtle
WW1 was a great idea at the time
lavish raptor
thats bull also
simple roost
where the fuck is the server browser button in bfv
lavish raptor
bugs are riddled still in bf1
echo turtle
Fairly untouched, and their competitor is stuck in space
half wolf
To be entirely honest while BF1 was a bit casual-ified, I think it was still done right, more or less.
low totem
WW1 game at a time of severe lack of WW1 games, or at least ones of any real quality.
lavish raptor
verdun
low totem
please refer to the second part of my statement
lavish raptor
its quality
low totem
its broken and buggy as hell
simple roost
damn throwing punches at verdun
echo turtle
The team that made Verdun made a second game set in WW1
half wolf
Accessible WW1 games. You remember that games like Verdun, or these newer small-dev WW2 games, are more niche stuff that are generally not backed by a big studio.
And not on console.
echo turtle
Think it's in the eastern front
low totem
dont get me wrong, its a fun game to play, but it is inherently broken
lavish raptor
dont need a triple a studio to back a game only a fraction of people are interested in
echo turtle
Verdun is on console
half wolf
I'm excited to see how Modern Warfare pans out. I don't think it's a game I'd enjoy because it'll be another twitch shooter, but I hope it drives FPS devs to make things of higher quality. Specifically pushes DICE to make Battlefield better.
echo turtle
Reviews are fairly good
lavish raptor
rising storm ive played since it came out
solid hinge
it's not like bf1 was actually like ww1 asides from vehicles
lavish raptor
^
low totem
landship bae
echo turtle
Liked how the tanks and vehicles flew across the battlefield
half wolf
BF1 was like a "WW1punk" setting. Which I think is the way to do it and make it fun for most Battlefield fans.
If it was made realistically, I don't think it would've been as fun or as well-received.
simple roost
rising storm 2 is great although i personally dont like the fact that it is almost impossible to get into
lavish raptor
thats what bfv is too lol
echo turtle
Fun as hell to speed around the map in a car or a motorbike
half wolf
BF5 has the worst aspects of being made casual, and the worst aspects of a realistic game combined.
lavish raptor
isnt that like the entire reason redpilled 15 y/os get triggered at bfv
half wolf
Personally I hate the attrition system.
lavish raptor
cuz its too modern
half wolf
It's soo awful.
echo turtle
Looks too complex
lavish raptor
i dont agree but thats a preference tbh
half wolf
BF1942/BF2 had limited health and ammo, but they didn't give you 2 spare mags... They gave you enough ammo to actually do your job.
echo turtle
But is really simple
solid hinge
i think it's badly implemented and balanced
half wolf
The idea of Attrition was interesting, but the execution is bad.
solid hinge
only a few guns actually suffer from it
simple roost
speaking of bfv where the fuck is the server browser button or do i need to pay for it
half wolf
Also I'm still salty as fuck over Suppression being removed.
low totem
1943 was... very arcadey, but its still one of my favourite from the franchise.
solid hinge
having a bigger mag means you pick more ammo up
half wolf
I get the idea of removing spread from guns, but you should get increased scope sway, no healing, or longer ADS time if you're suppressed.
simple roost
bad company 1, 2142, and bf4 are the best games IMO
half wolf
Because right now you can just triggermash and beat out a MMG or LMG trying to suppress a sniper.
simple roost
i tried to get back into BF3 but it just feels so much worse for some reason
half wolf
IMHO all guns in BF5 are too easily controllable.
Which feeds into the Suppression issue as well.
Anyway, I'm going to go play Overwatch.
simple roost
if bad company 1 came out on PC i guarantee that it would be more liked than bc2, although it does have less destruction
half wolf
I'm tired of BF5. I hope it changes for the better, but I doubt it.
lavish raptor
seeya
simple roost
yeah im gonna wait for the next BF game
modern warfare will definitely keep me entertained until then
lavish raptor
i like your optimism
half wolf
I don't think MW is my kind of shooter. Too twitchy. But I'm excited for the standard I hope it sets for quality.
lavish raptor
need more of that in this community
half wolf
You know the sinking feeling you got watching the trailers and press leading up to BF5? Not getting that with MW. So fingers crossed, I really hope it does well.
simple roost
MW to me feels like BF4 on a much smaller scale which is what i like
and i feel like a lot of different aspects in gunplay and feel are even better than bf4
digital seal
The flinch from being shot looked a bit excessive
half wolf
It's still very much a COD game in terms of pace. I think a better comparison would be adding in aspects of Insurgency.
lavish raptor
tbh i didnt get that reaction honestly, beta always tells me what i need to know about my hype towards a game
half wolf
@digital seal The main issue is just that the pacing is still super fast. A flinch like that is okay in Battlefield with a generally slower TTK and positioning-based combat, but in COD that doesn't seem great.
However in MW Remastered the flinch was super bad.
So they're definitely going to that old school feel.
simple roost
yeah
half wolf
And fair enough - the BF5 beta didn't feel great either.
lavish raptor
ill admit its less casual so less mainstream
simple roost
i didnt have my PC when the bf5 beta came out so i was super interested last night to see how it would feel and was definitely disappointed
with the free trial
stoic breach
How are easily controllable guns a bad thing though
Suppression does need to come back though
@half wolf
half wolf
@stoic breach my complaint is how easy it is to snap to people and hose them down at insane ranges. Assault semiautos, semiauto sniper rifles etc. Most assault guns are better than MMGs or bolt action snipers at anything.
simple roost
and why does this game stutter and drop frames a shitload on the first match
half wolf
But yes, Suppression coming back would largely fix that.
stoic breach
Yeah
simple roost
i cannot go 2 seconds without it freezing
stoic breach
Nerfing suppression to shit was a bad decision
Bolt snipers need their damage buffed to match their DPS with other guns
Headshots don't count because every other weapon is balanced for bodyshots
Plus snipers have awful bullet velocity
half wolf
Bolt snipers need damage buffed, ADS time nerfed, scope sway nerfed, and suppression effects nerfed.
half wolf
Well there needs to be some way to represent suppression effects as a sniper.
stoic breach
Suppression was what balanced strong snipers in BF1
half wolf
Because suppressing snipers is a huge reason why suppression should be a thing.
stoic breach
To avoid getting sweetspot killed you could supress a sniper
half wolf
A blurry screen edge does not do that.
stoic breach
Yeah, suppression doesnt even stop healing anymore either
So theres no penalty for standing around and getting shot at like an idiot
solid hinge
only stops crate heals
stoic breach
Yeah
half wolf
Aka does nothing because so few people use crates.
The gameplay loop in BF5 is just totally fucked in almost every regard.
stoic breach
Yeah it is
I dont think snipers should have ADS time reduced because then they feel sluggish
If the Boys AT could ADS then it should have a slow ADS time
stoic breach
Boys AT damage gets balanced by it's slow KPM
AT Rifle ADS wouldn't be bad if the other bolt actions were good
They only feel cheap because you cant see them beint used half the time
half wolf
How would you implement suppression on sniper rifles?
stoic breach
The same as it was in BF1
half wolf
Well without suppression, AT rifles have no counter. Which is how they feel cheap.
stoic breach
Actually
Yeah
Increased bullet spread without scope sway would be the best
And blurred screen
half wolf
I don't want there to be spread because people hated that. Sway at least you can counter through skill.
Screen blur and sway increase, I'd say.
half wolf
True. But its better than random spread.
stoic breach
I think increased base spread when suppressed works because being suppressed already changes the way you're supposed to play
You're not supposed to stand still and keep shooting
half wolf
Yeah unfortunately because the Game Changer shitbags hated suppression, it's gone, and will stay gone.
stoic breach
Random screen shake already technically feels like random spread anyways since you cant aim
Yeah
half wolf
If LevelCap can't run around and quicksope, then whats the point in having a game, right?
stoic breach
Suppression was super important for LMGs and MMGs to have a better place as suppressive weapons
Hahaha
icy sluice
Not only was there random screen shake but there was added spread
stoic breach
Quickscoping is fine, its just a way to play
icy sluice
So, random on top of random
half wolf
@stoic breach The issue with that is they make the game entirely about "who kills the other faster" instead of actual tactics and suppressive fire/fire and manuver/etc.
becomes all about ROF and time to kill vs actual strategy
stoic breach
I feel like on the spot thinking is more important in a shooter like BF
The strategy comes from where the best ranges to use weapons at come from
half wolf
But the gameplay loop never favors "suppress and flank", it's always just "plink them the fastest most efficient way possible"
stoic breach
Like you dont pick an LMG to just suppress people, you pick it to kill people and also suppress people
I think theres value in that, tactics should be a result of gameplay, not the other way around
Its about flexibility and stuff
Otherwise weapons like MMGs become too situational
Which is what they were designed for
half wolf
I might be explaining it badly - the issue I have is that the best solution to every gunfight is "be faster than the other guy". There's no room for positioning or other tactics.
half wolf
give suppression and make MMGs and LMGs less accurate. Then all of a sudden nobody has issues with MMGs sniping across the map lol. Those things were npt accurate IRL anyway.
icy sluice
I feel like quick thinking and a good aim should be rewarded... but it also depends on the position of the two combatants
stoic breach
I guess it just comes down to base spread and just having a weapon that feels good enough for what you want
half wolf
I think there should be a balance. Otherwise it's not fun for people who may be good at finding good ambush spots, but may not have the best reflexes.
If quick aiming and good TTK is all that matters, then just play COD
lavish raptor
literally
stoic breach
Well BF generally shouldnt have to cater to people who cant aim if they want to play an FPS
icy sluice
I think they should be factors but not the entire equation
lavish raptor
yes
half wolf
I particularly do not enjoy BF5 because my reflexes aren't great, and BF used to be a game where I could still have fun and do well because I could position well and control recoil decently, just not snap to people in milliseconds.
stoic breach
Well, thats were weapon accessibility comes from
half wolf
In BF5 it doesn't matter that I can find a great ambush spot and pull off a flank if someone can flip 180 and dome me in a quarter seconds.
lavish raptor
that didnt matter in bf3-4 either tho
stoic breach
Idk, I feel like thats unavoidable in FPS
half wolf
And I agree - a balance is important so both positioning and reflexes are rewarded.
half wolf
The issue is the TTK for some guns is literally so high that someone can flip around and kill you no matter how you aim or shoot.
lavish raptor
as youre going to face the enemy in large numbers generally
then use other guns lol
stoic breach
I dont think theres really a problem with that
High TTK weapons are balanced with ammo and spread and shit
half wolf
Not really tbh
lavish raptor
zh-29 is example of attrition balancing ttk
half wolf
Theyre all super controllable in my experience
lavish raptor
runs out of bullets hella quickly if youre being efficient
half wolf
I agree that a balance is needed though. Because rewarding both is important. The issue is just that right now, that
's not the case
BF5 is a twitch shooter, when it used to not be.
lavish raptor
you just said that tho
stoic breach
I think speeding up the game overall is a good thing
Besides, BFV is way slower compared to BF1 and BF4
lavish raptor
yes
stoic breach
People dont move around as much
No 3D spotting, no minimap spotting when someone fires their weapon
half wolf
BF5 feels faster and twitchier than 1 in my experience, because the recoil feels a lot lower and everything is a lot more controllable.
But thats my opinion and I recognize it's counter to what a lot of people think.
stoic breach
BFV just makes it easier to magdump
lavish raptor
honestly even that isnt true
stoic breach
Well yeah base spread is lower and shit, but some weapons feel alot more controllable than others
lavish raptor
do that and you run out of ammo or get shot for being a dumb ass
half wolf
If you go back to 1942 and BF2 they were a lot slower paced, and I wish Battlefield went back to that route.
lavish raptor
any other class tho
solid hinge
you can kill anyone before they react with basically any gun providing you dont miss
stoic breach
The general public doesnt enjoy slow paced Battlefield like 1942 and 2, theres a reason BF1 is the highest selling BF game
Its super aggressive
lavish raptor
yes x2
half wolf
@stoic breach Then I'm not sure why I loved BF1 compared to 5, when I hate the pacing of 5.
Because 1 felt a LOT slower to me.
lavish raptor
simple
people were so fucking tired of modern gameplay
and got overly satisfied from bf1
and that hype died down fairly quickly
and now we're stuck looking for answers as to how bfv is the worst thing ever
stoic breach
Well there are answers for that
lavish raptor
lol
half wolf
I think the one thing we can agree on is that for one reason or another, BF5's gameplay loop almost universally does not feel good for a lot of people, regardless of playstyle
stoic breach
The people in charge of BFV dont know what players actually enjoy
Dice Sweden has no idea why people enjoyed Bad Company 2 so much
half wolf
And I think that manifests in a system that manages to irritate everyone
BC2 had NO PRONING
thats it
stoic breach
Not just that
half wolf
thats all that made it great
lavish raptor
thats not agreeable at all
stoic breach
Linear gameplay, no planes
lavish raptor
the fuck
half wolf
But actually thought yeah
lavish raptor
i love the gameplay
half wolf
yeah no planes (the balance of which is its OWN can of worms in 5), balanced vehicles, the classes were all unique and balanced and fun, and the map design I loved.
stoic breach
Well of course its subjective, but the majority of people dont enjoy the gameplay loop of BFV
half wolf
Plus complete destruction of buildings.
stoic breach
Yeah Rush was the premiere mode
stoic breach
And people like being pointed towards the enemy quickly
Thats why Rush is so popular
half wolf
I love the Rush game mode tbh. Its not too chaotic like Breakthrough, but it feels more directed.
stoic breach
Because it doesnt take long to start shooting at people
Yeah 16v16 is a good player count
Plays really well
Like, Apex showed that you dont need 100 players for a BR to work
Rush shows you dont need 64 players for Battlefield to work
lavish raptor
still think it should be like 48 players
half wolf
Honestly I don't know why I loved BC2 so much. It was just simple. I think thats why. BF4 had all these gadgets and mechanics and levolution and disables and etc
lavish raptor
to compensate for every game losing half the players on each team
half wolf
(Controversial opinion I wasn't the biggest fan of BF4)
lavish raptor
how is that controversial
formal valve
You guys think the game changers are going to Stockholm for the pacific this week?
lavish raptor
youre in a discord for the most unpopular current title
i think most opinions here are fairly controversial
formal valve
Did you guys see what that Italian Game Changer said?
half wolf
No?
stoic breach
Nah
stoic breach
But yeah, the gameplay loop of BFV is super unpopular
half wolf
There's just so many things about it that frustrate me.
Also is it just me or are the maps designed to be more conducive to spawncamping now?
stoic breach
Well the map design in BFV is really shit so maybe
Spawncamping is literally just the bottom line of conquest though
Like the best and most obvious way to win quickly is spawn trap
half wolf
Probably why I like Frontlines/Rush so much.
stoic breach
Yeah
lavish raptor
i really just want grind
stoic breach
It doesnt feel like spawntrap because its part of the game
Like for defenders, the goal is literally to spawn trap
lavish raptor
im only having fun when i have a full squad and hop servers till i find one with medics that dont fucking ignore you
stoic breach
Theres only one goal for attackers, to push out of spawn trap
lavish raptor
which takes hours
stoic breach
๐
Conquest is just an awful mode that makes spawntrap feel even worse
Frontlines being the premiere mode of BF wouldnt even be a bad thing
stoic breach
Because all players would be attacking the same objective
half wolf
Frontlines was my favorite mode in BF5
coral fiber
Wasn't conquest always awful
half wolf
and THEY KILLED IT
lavish raptor
grind
half wolf
LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY
lavish raptor
bring grind back
stoic breach
Like the only redeeming quality of Battlefront 2 Cap supremacy was that you COULDNT FLAG SPAWN
Then they added that
half wolf
CQ used to be boring and slow in the old games, then in the newer ones its just a mess
lavish raptor
huh
half wolf
Rush was just such a good objective based mode
stoic breach
Yeah
half wolf
Like in 1942 and 2, you could go a couple minutes without seeing another human being
lavish raptor
honestly conquest is boring and slow in all games
half wolf
Meanwhile in 4, 1, and 5 its just a shitshow
stoic breach
Honestly, BF should just be Frontlines as the main mode, Breakthrough as the 64 player war mode
stoic breach
Grind was an awful mode but at least it was fun
half wolf
grind was something new
lavish raptor
wasnt awful was a mess
half wolf
but I did not like it
lavish raptor
thats the fun
stoic breach
Fun is what matters really
lavish raptor
i loved being a medic on there
stoic breach
The only problem with grind was that it was too easy to win by doing nothing
half wolf
Personally didnt like the "mess" nature but it was something unique and new
stoic breach
Aka recon spot flares
lavish raptor
thats not a grind problem bro
i just got a 32k flare game on underground like a day ago
coral fiber
Should bf go total infantry in the future?
stoic breach
Well BF can do other stuff but I suppose generally its about vehicle and infantry gameplay
lavish raptor
grind was just fun as you could hop in and make your skill actually matter
stoic breach
Too bad vehicles in BFV are so poorly designed
lavish raptor
while still not giving a fuck and just reviving
coral fiber
Grind is fun
lavish raptor
yes
stoic breach
That its more effective to camp
lavish raptor
i just slowly find myself observing a lot of the issues with this game directly being caused by the balance
coral fiber
Dice needa give some vehicles love tbh
stoic breach
Yeah balance is super off
lavish raptor
people with gamesense can easily destroy a tiger but a cluster fuck team of dumb shits prone will let one massacre your team
stoic breach
Like, tanks shouldnt have a turret rotation limit
lavish raptor
games go fast as no medic to revive and keep games at a match
coral fiber
Yet the only thing i see on the trello is
IMPROVEMENTS TO TANK TURRET SPEEDS
atleast that's somethin
lavish raptor
its a fun game literally i can almost 100% say that a lot of these issues would be naturally dissolved with balance being focus
stoic breach
Yeah
lavish raptor
theyre core issues but theyre caused by smart people abusing weak links in casual thinking
stoic breach
Like look at Halo, infantry and vehicles can melt eachother in that game
What do you mean by weak links in casual thinking?
@lavish raptor
lavish raptor
weak links like tiger camping
smart team can counter by picking it off with piats and panzerfausts if a medic would support
stoic breach
Well, not if the Tiger is far enough away
solid hinge
theres no effective counter to camping tanks right now
coral fiber
Tanks shouldn't be designed to camp
solid hinge
asides from another tank
lavish raptor
i just think there needs to be more focus on not nerfing the game but buffing the matchmaking more then anything, but spawn camping is the biggest issues with vehiclexs
simple roost
what is a drilling and why is it the worst thing to ever exist in a videogame
this shitty thing one shots at all ranges
lavish raptor
l o l
coral fiber
REDDIT IN A NUTSHELL
๐คฃ 
lavish raptor
what
stoic breach
Hahaha
lavish raptor
im coming down from stim and am clueless
drifting yacht
why shouldnt tanks be designed to camp? Like im not trolling or anything just curious about why yall think it shouldnt be "allowed" for lack of a better word
lavish raptor
what are you referring too vro
stoic breach
Well camping isnt fun for anyone
lavish raptor
it shouldnt be because then you literally cant fight fair
solid hinge
primarily they should be pushing tools
lavish raptor
nothing to counter long range tanks sniping on a map with no tanks on other side
and even if so
the balancing issue i brought up comes into play
dumb fucks level 15 steal the tank
die immediatly
coral fiber
But the second they push an obj
They get reckt in a second
lavish raptor
and there sweaty tanks camp the rest of the game
solid hinge
they can be designed for camping if theres counters to that
lavish raptor
^
stoic breach
Yeah, Mercury is so biased towards the Brits because their tanks are better and they can spawn more of them
solid hinge
but ideally they'd be designed for pushing
stoic breach
Picking an Archer as brits on Mercury is easy win
solid hinge
you need some Ju-88 a support
drifting yacht
A heavy tank does seem like a push tool but like an Archer or kinda a Churchill seem like they're meant to be almost across the map sniping
stoic breach
Tanks dont move fast enough and turrets dont spin fast enough
So why wouldn't you just camp and have the turret facing in one direction at all times
drifting yacht
Ye
lavish raptor
church hill was an MBT at one point but tanks would be fairly useless in a BF series if it wasnt meant to support infantry mainly
drifting yacht
I get that
solid hinge
the heavy tanks are the worst for pushing
stoic breach
Self sufficient tanks are the most fun, but the tanks in BFV are just bad
solid hinge
they cant rotate fast enough
stoic breach
Yeah heavys cant drive fast either
drifting yacht
U need infrantry with u if u decide to push w/heavy tanks
solid hinge
first person has massive input lag as well
stoic breach
Like why the fuck does Bodie like the Churchill so much when its one of the worst brit tanks
solid hinge
so the only two viable aiming choices are 3rd person which is wildly inaccurate and zoom, which is obviously not suited for close range
drifting yacht
I liked the Churchill for mid range onto objs but when Archer came out i just didnt look back
stoic breach
Yeah milsim tanks have no place in Battlefield
solid hinge
churchill with howitzer is passable
stoic breach
Archer is one of the best brit tanks so yea
stoic breach
Why arent the tanks designed like the SCORPION
How fucking good would fast moving tanks be that also had AUTO HEALTH REGEN
Fuck that would be so good
drifting yacht
Prob didnt look too much into it
solid hinge
the scorpion died in 3 seconds every time
stoic breach
Yeah if you were shit
solid hinge
someone jumped on and slapped a grenade in
stoic breach
Or if the enemy was just super good
solid hinge
its fat and slow
drifting yacht
Lol
stoic breach
But it has auto health regen
stoic breach
Wraith is kinda GOAT tbh actually
drifting yacht
Wraith was kinda same way, if you got surprised it was over
lavish raptor
mannn
stoic breach
๐บ
lavish raptor
players on bfv have the most fragile ego's i swear
drifting yacht
....
solid hinge
so just set bfv in alternate universe where ww2 has jet tank technology
stoic breach
Or if the BFV tanks actually drove at realistic or fun speeds
lavish raptor
like i stated that not having medics isnt fun
solid hinge
Iโve literally been told to not talk about Battlefront
stoic breach
Damn who told you that
stoic breach
This is so sad
lavish raptor
and entire server takes it as you threatening there mom
drifting yacht
Oh u just passin it along ok
solid hinge
It's kind of relevant when you're comparing vehicles
Not quite
I compared aircrafts one battlefront to ones in Battlefield
Then I did the same with ace combat
stoic breach
I've talked about Battlefront here as well
drifting yacht
Wait what
stoic breach
Lol who told you not to talk about it
drifting yacht
Oh nvm i get you
stoic breach
solid hinge
God I canโt spell
coral fiber
โญ
solid hinge
Thus mod dominance
stoic breach
solid hinge
๐ค
stoic breach
Yeah basically
solid hinge
Idk man thatโs why I donโt talk here
Iโve been told to fuck off comparing dice games
Yet I come and see Halo and BF ๐ค
stoic breach
Alright BFV planes and Battlefront 2 fighters are equally shit for different reasons
solid hinge
Kinda cringe
coral fiber
I want it to
Ironically
lavish raptor
huh
solid hinge
My favourite past time is bullying bfv
lavish raptor
so youre saying you get told to fuck off so that means others need that negativity
drifting yacht
Oh no
lavish raptor
ok
drifting yacht
We should try being nicer lol
stoic breach
๐ฉ
rotund beacon
Yeah
stoic breach
I think BFV is bad but I think SWBF2 is BAD
drifting yacht
I think bfV aight but mainly its fun especially w/friends
stoic breach
BFV has some pretty positive aspects but its mostly not that good
rotund beacon
What if you donโt have friends?
stoic breach
Yea
solid hinge
what happened to the shark easter egg on twisted steel
drifting yacht
What platform u on lol
stoic breach
Haters rise up
lavish raptor
like
rotund beacon
PS4
drifting yacht
Ooooo, where
lavish raptor
some people genuinely throw a fit when you have a rough critique of this billion dollar companys game
drifting yacht
Oh
I cant help u :(
lavish raptor
not complaints but straight up criticism
stoic breach
Reddit is actually the worst though
lavish raptor
and they seriously think theyre any different from the redditors
rotund beacon
No one can
drifting yacht
Reddit is funny
lavish raptor
like at the end of the day theyre both throwing hissy fits for fuckin no reason
coral fiber
Atleast we're smart and civilised
pastel grove
people actually try to defend this fucking game?
lavish raptor
yes
stoic breach
Well I think its ok to be upset about a game you dont like, not everything has to be happy and all
drifting yacht
I like reading about bugs on Reddit, doing "research" on it, and finding out they were just lagging
stoic breach
But criticism should be founded and make sense
lavish raptor
i agree but it shouldnt be shutdown because its said crudely, off topic non based subjects arent critiques but thats like half of reddit
drifting yacht
Lol i'll defend any bf until the game not fun anymore
stoic breach
Yeah
coral fiber
lavish raptor
good example is if you post a video showing a bug in here
100% youll see like 4 people defending it
drifting yacht
Ooooo, what else happens
marsh dirge
bruh momento
drifting yacht
Prob Winter
lavish raptor
when MW is released
drifting yacht
Prob Spring
coral fiber
Rumor goin around that the game changers are goin to Stockholm to test out the pacific
lavish raptor
gotta wait for numbers and if its a dent then theyll get there asses working
icy sluice
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The Regular role is earned by members who are active, welcoming and resourceful on the server.
pastel grove
?when
stoic breach
!!when
ruby trailBOT
Soonโข
stoic breach
coral fiber
Lmao
pastel grove
oh it's part of regular
drifting yacht
....
ruby trailBOT
yeet
pastel grove
I totally haven't been here for months
lavish raptor
me either
marsh dirge
introducing
mycharacterisdepressedandwantstouseaa6mzerointoanamericanshipโข
andramitโข
drifting yacht
Oh
icy sluice
I have my doubts on campaigns being good nowadays
echo turtle
how to be resourceful?
icy sluice
But that's for another time
drifting yacht
It was nice til that last bit
marsh dirge
imagine if battlefield v got good
pastel grove
I just want to use the Arisaka rifles tbh
marsh dirge
x to doubt
icy sluice
@drifting yacht Can I ask what exactly is your image?
pastel grove
And the M1 Garand.
icy sluice
Arisaka and M1 Garand was in that 2 second teaser
pastel grove
I just want Pacific to come out already
drifting yacht
I feel it
pastel grove
Also naval warfare
marsh dirge
@pastel grove if i use the m1garand i will be demolished by a japanese woman with an MG-42
drifting yacht
Lol
icy sluice
Can't wait to Banzai Charge as a woman tbh
The Japanese Localization for the Brits are already pretty good
drifting yacht
Oh the scream
pastel grove
Can't wait to get accused by my family of streaming Japanese porn on my Xbox.
lavish raptor
mother fucker if you hate them so much theyre there for you too shoot
jesus christ
icy sluice
I don't know exactly what to think of this statement tbh
pastel grove
but shooting them activates the elk sound effect
marsh dirge
cant wait to be a german on iwo jima!!
icy sluice
Men also make loud goat noises when I kill them
lavish raptor
cant wait to lick your salty tears
pastel grove
inb4 Italians on Iwล Jima
icy sluice
I don't think we'll get Germans on Iwo Jima considering the datamines and how much they're boasting about "New Factions"
pastel grove
Hopefully "new factions" isn't just horseshit
drifting yacht
Wait i remember that the Pacific had new factions, does that mean new default uniforms? Like a chance to actually look like Jap/US soldiers?
pastel grove
ye
icy sluice
Only way I see this happening is if they don't have the new factions enabled if/when they showcase it to the GameChangers, which is a possibility.
And we won't see it
I won't show the datamines but... of course Temporyal, that man, has discovered 6 names for Americans and Japanese
3 men and 3 women each
drifting yacht
Oh
pastel grove
inb4 Prince Asaka as an elite
drifting yacht
How interesting
icy sluice
The names of two male elites have been leaked to.
marsh dirge
cant wait to storm iwo jima in a halftrack ngl ngl
pastel grove
the datamined elite for Empire of Japan looks boring as shit
icy sluice
We don't have a model, yet.
drifting yacht
Two elites for Pacific or nonspecific?
pastel grove
but like, story wise @icy sluice
icy sluice
I mean... what else are you going to do with a Japanese soldier in a multiplayer game and not in a Story-line game?
marsh dirge
id be happy if they did
drifting yacht
I like Norman & Seamus story
marsh dirge
b-17 lmao
icy sluice
I do like that we have an Irish Guard soldier
pastel grove
can I talk openly about datamined stuff?
marsh dirge
a flame trooper kit has been located near your location
drifting yacht
I know you can't do much with giving the elites background but that lil bit of personality that's added to them makes it better than if it wasn't there
marsh dirge
hopefully there will be a Beach Assault Mode
solid hinge
@pastel grove what ya wanna say boi
pastel grove
"sidearm sharpshooter" is fucking silly when you consider Nambu pistols accidentally went off constantly
solid hinge
@marsh dirge Iโm dying for it
echo turtle
give the man a revolver
marsh dirge
starting from a ship, you would then have to advance the beach in a LCVP
that'd be epic!
drifting yacht
Beach assault would be one-sided, where do i request this?
solid hinge
Yess
marsh dirge
30 SECONDS BOYS
solid hinge
Beach landings on Peleliu
drifting yacht
Oh
coral fiber
Just got another invite to a milsim
Why oh why
pastel grove
military simulation
drifting yacht
Is that common here?
pastel grove
I'm playing a milsim rn as Hungary in 1330
drifting yacht
Lol
pastel grove
wait what kind of milsim
drifting yacht
On bf
solid hinge
Whatโs the goal of milsim?
pastel grove
oh
solid hinge
Shooting at air?
drifting yacht
To have fun i guess
coral fiber
Idk
marsh dirge
where do you do milsims?
pastel grove
On Battlefield, they just play "realistically"
echo turtle
using proper military tactics
drifting yacht
Lol
solid hinge
Smh
marsh dirge
on bfv?
echo turtle
and using that thing in your head a bit more
coral fiber
Just an Xbox bfv milsim unit
pastel grove
I remember one guy in here saying that some milsim squadmate pretended that the half-track broke down
echo turtle
really? 
pastel grove
100 health and it "broke down" because muh war simulation
echo turtle
that's some dedication
solid hinge
Sounds boring as hell
drifting yacht
I mean one of the ppl i play bfV with is a vet (military not bf) and he gives us like a run thru sometimes on actual tactics/positioning, i find it fun but i feel like milsim is a bit too much
pastel grove
using actual tactics sound kinda fun
coral fiber
Im not into milsims
pastel grove
but milsim players are on some shit
coral fiber
Yet i talk and callout like actual pilot
icy sluice
I have people who I run into on Xbox and they do call-outs... it's fun like that
drifting yacht
Actual tactics are fun, thats y i was askin about the tank camping earlier. I rly didnt think of it as a problem til coming here
pastel grove
Using good communication improves literally any game
coral fiber
That's why i love flying with faithful wingmen
pastel grove
On RDO, I usually use mics with this one guy so we can plan the bounty hunting tactics
coral fiber
Sadly they went to play RDR2
drifting yacht
I cant fly in bf
coral fiber
I don't blame them
drifting yacht
Helis but not planes/jets
pastel grove
I mostly go back and forth between BFV and RDR2 @coral fiber
coral fiber
Nice
drifting yacht
I like RDR2 now, not really when it came out but thats an interesting rotation of games
icy sluice
I fly more in BFV more than I do in BF1
drifting yacht
Oh plz dont remind me of those planes
coral fiber
@icy sluice kinda wanna fly with you sometime
But i also wanna shoot you down lol
icy sluice
I rarely fly 
I probably unknowingly helped you strafe run with a flare tho
But I don't think you do that
soft storm
You always crash into trees?
drifting yacht
Im that guy, fire a flare and hope a pilot sees it
drifting yacht
Crash into a tree?
coral fiber
No, firing a flare
drifting yacht
I can see that
coral fiber
That was me in bf1 where my wing hits a single leaf on a tree then my vehicle spontaneously combusts
coral fiber
But I haven't flown in awhile tho
drifting yacht
I flew and crashed a few hrs ago lol
prime pine
Getting 1000 kills with the stukas will be sooo much fun.
drifting yacht
For a tag?
coral fiber
Stukas still wack tho
prime pine
Personal accomplishment
I want to get 1000 kills with every possible vehicle in the game. Asides from transports.
drifting yacht
Stuka can do a stuka dive tho
icy sluice
aaaaaaaaaaa
prime pine
Why use a stuka which has a smaller payload over a bomber which has a much larger and meaner payload.
drifting yacht
Cause Jericho Trumpet & satisfaction
prime pine
They need to buff the 37mm's to deal more damage versus tanks again. Cause they're goddamn useless against a simple valentine.
And give the b-1 4x 250's
drifting yacht
Thats the cannon on the bomber right?
coral fiber
I have 2,200+ kills with the G2
827 (i think) with the stuka b1
drifting yacht
"Cannon"
prime pine
And so ALSO get rid of stupid part repair
The 88c fires 75mm shells
The b-2 fires 37mms
serene patrol
Just buff all vehicles across the board, prolem solved
pastel grove
@coral fiber If you don't mind me asking, what's your gamertag anyway? We both live in NA
prime pine
Emergancy repair
serene patrol
and completely remove anti tank from assault, give it to support
prime pine
Part repair only does what... 10% not a full on repair cycle
Partrepair has its merits
But general emergancy repair is sooo much more helpful
drifting yacht
Doesnt it fix a disable?
coral fiber
It just repairs the elevator, alierons, and rudder
drifting yacht
Both actually
If so, thats a lifesaver
U could maneuver afterward, if you had time at least
coarse thunder
The spec fixes a part instantly and gives 10% health
prime pine
I'd rather have an extra repair cycle over part repair
coral fiber
drifting yacht
Isn't that kinda the pineapple wrench specialization, or is it the opposite?
coral fiber
Pineapple wrench is bad