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paper robin
coral fiber
The subreddit is just comepletely idiotic, poor danny getting downvoted for no reason
paper robin
I honestly don't know what it means
dense bone
@paper robin the time between sending and or receiving information
paper robin
Oh
rose pilot
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dense bone
always at work when these pop up
coral fiber
Probably taken by now
topaz dome
lunar lion
I still have 6 i found in my backpack from ea play should drop some in this chat 
hoary condor
lunar lion
If i do, someone will redeem it without saying: “got it” or “thanks” so people get angry and say he is just putting used codes in chat smh
dense bone
those people are stupid
dense bone
oh i wouldnt do that, but i wouldnt assume the person posting codes posted shit that was already redeemed
hoary condor
just wasn't quick enough 
coral fiber
True
My origin won't load
Oof
Ahh well
I'll get one code someday
Imma head out lol
lunar lion
shy badger
coral fiber
Well shit i forgot to do an assignment for cyber security
Man i hate that class
Ok imma go now
Y'all have a good one
paper robin
Bye.
torn frigate
shy badger
I feel salty that he didn't write bf vietnam
dense bone
considering dice has been with EA for YEARS and bfv is at worst "ok" i dont see what youre trying to say
solid hinge
no
bf4 and bf1 paid dlcs were because of EA
broken launches were because of ea making dice rush its game
dense bone
we dont have paid dlc now...
solid hinge
and bf5 launched as a "full game"
dense bone
and we dont know if dice said they could make those deadlines or not
dense bone
i thought bf1 didnt launch with a bunch of factions either
solid hinge
it launched with a decent amount
dense bone
not that factions count as meaningful content for a game honestly
dense bone
i can imagine only history buffs caring about it
as far as it goes for gaming, factions dont add anything
solid hinge
its depends on context
solid hinge
its a ww2 game with 2 factions in unknown small battles with no major changes
imagine a dday map
64 players d day
shy badger
WW2 is pretty common knowledge, I doubt only history buffs care about factions
dense bone
as a non history buff, the differences between bf1 and bfv is that bf1 was better optimized, faction wise i could care less the differences and wouldnt notice unless it was for the history buffs in this server
dense bone
you mean dday, the gaming trope that has been played to death by ever ww2 game out there?
maybe for once a dev didnt want to tread the same cliche for once
solid hinge
better than boring ones
dense bone
especially when they have personally already done it themselves
dense bone
i dont care if it was japan vs germany in berlin
i dont think about that when im gaming
solid hinge
its easier to play this game with no history knowledge
dense bone
and it certainly wont be a reason to complain
shy badger
lol no
solid hinge
bf1 sold 25 million
dense bone
also bf1 is a fantastically optimized game
of course theres going to be glitches, the game has a lot of shit to cover
shy badger
It's not like if Dice had said that bfv is alterante ww2 the sales would've doubled
dense bone
almost every game slows down
dense bone
nothing new there
solid hinge
complaints trash the game
dense bone
if you think that affects sales youre delusional though
solid hinge
average rating ive seen is 60
when people see reviews
they are less excited about getting the game
dense bone
im saying youre delusional if you think sub reddit affects games sales, not reviews
solid hinge
im not saying reddit affects it
shy badger
Surely general public consensus affects sales
solid hinge
im saying its own subreddit is against it
dense bone
sorry, saying sales suffered and then mentioning sub reddit complaints makes an easy attachment to that conclusion
solid hinge
sub reddit is excluded
gray saffron
bfv had quite decent reviews at launch, but most of the cons were content felt lacking and polish. biggest issue during the first year were that those complaints weren't really fixed due the live service was quite lackluster and the patches were bandages and caused bugs elsewhere in the game. took a year to get to a point where the game is stable and the content is quite a decent package
solid hinge
it doesnt have too many members to affect sales
dense bone
i dont reddit, but id be surprised any sub reddit that doesnt have people bashing a game
everyone thinks they can do it better, and with anonymity they are basically certain to voice their complaints
solid hinge
new updates give hope
its slowly building up to a full game
after almost a year of being an early access game
dense bone
it launched as a full game
dense bone
most bf games i know launch with 8-10 maps
solid hinge
tide of wars wasnt included in launch
last tiger wasnt
the 2 biggest things werent in launch
gray saffron
4
solid hinge
i enjoyed the bf1 story
dense bone
and tides of war is definitely not the factor of a finished game or not
solid hinge
i finish a bf game before moving on to the story
gray saffron
my friends haven't even finished a single war story haha
solid hinge
i mean online
dense bone
how much you enjoy stories does not change the fact most people who get bf games dont even play single player
solid hinge
the online then
shy badger
EA always planned to dripfeed us content in bfv
Which is a shame since this is a great game after all
solid hinge
ignore the character customization then its atleast 6.5/10
gray saffron
map packs like it was in premium wouldn't really work with the tide of war imo. that means all there's left is vehicles/guns/skins. that was practically the experience of chapter 4 and no one enjoyed it, since the biggest maps were given out at the end and the other mini maps were also bundled up.
dense bone
are you saying character customization drops the games score...
gray saffron
you can make your characters look as plain as you want though. the only time i notice other people's customization is if i pick up their guns or at the start when there's nothing else to look at ;D
shy badger
I most definitely notice, I just got used to it
solid hinge
lol i dont remember picking someone's weapon on a bf game
shy badger
Speaking of picking someone elses weapon, why did Dice change it from picking up someone elses class?
It was cool picking up a medic kit to revive players
gray saffron
well, in the previous games it would change your complete kit. in bfv it only changes your primary. sometimes it's nice to swap out of guns when im running otu of ammo or not doing well with the class's specified guns
midnight nimbus
bc they wanted more attrition
dense bone
its very stupid to reduce a score on cosmetics in a fps
midnight nimbus
can't be picking up a support kit to unattrition ourselves now can we
snow ermine
Fuck bfv
snow ermine
This game was made by a bunch of Pakistani hires
My left but could make a better game than this
snow ermine
Same shit. You get the point
dense bone
idk any mp game as technically impressive as bfv, id love to see someone challenge it
midnight nimbus
too bad attrition makes no sense from a realism or gameplay perspective
shy badger
What do you mean by technically impressive, graphics?
main grove
I doubt dice will do this again
dense bone
graphics, scope, audio, etc
snow ermine
How the fuck you need to change assignments while it's already been done.
midnight nimbus
"technically impressive"...if only you read the files and saw the technical mess that they created
dense bone
again, idk any game that has 64 players on destructible massive maps with infantry and vehicles that look / play this good
shy badger
When comparing the game to the time it released in, bf3 was a lot more impressive
dense bone
garbage no one else is doing
midnight nimbus
could've used way simpler and less complex solutions that work 100x better
there's a reason no one else uses some of these mechanics
dense bone
why dont you work for dice and do it?
snow ermine
Because nobody gives a shit ab8 that.
dense bone
sounds like you got this all figured out
main grove
Armchair devs are everywhere
midnight nimbus
there's a million other places i'd rather work before I would ever consider touching game dev
solid hinge
imagine getting triggered over a game
dense bone
likely
snow ermine
Game dwv is a joke now
midnight nimbus
yeah working in game dev sucks
main grove
Thanks to bullshit deadlines
gray saffron
i like attrition except for tanks. it just makes tanks camp.
snow ermine
Slave labor
main grove
I tolerate attrition
midnight nimbus
like the way wall penetration works in this game
dense bone
of all the people that shit talk dice, no one has mentioned a game outside of the bf series that does as much as bf does
midnight nimbus
lol tier
main grove
I don't like it but I manage with it
midnight nimbus
same with incoming vehicle damage and glancing blows
shy badger
ugh glancing blows
solid hinge
coal of dutie
midnight nimbus
there's a ton of shooters that use rly easy solutions to wall pen
shy badger
The bane of my existence
midnight nimbus
DICE concocted this super complex system
shy badger
How tf does a tigers 88 bounce off a transport truck!
midnight nimbus
and it doesn't work
shy badger
I'm still salty
snow ermine
Fuck dice devs
dense bone
i bet tons of shooters are way simpler compared to bfv
snow ermine
Bunch of clueless hires
main grove
Jesus christ
dense bone
and even then, it could be a design choice rather than not
main grove
Chill
midnight nimbus
same with the new systems for incoming vehicle damage
rly complex
unreadable to players in practice
dense bone
bf is a complex game
snow ermine
Fuck this game
dense bone
yet you want simple solutions like a simple game like csgo
dense bone
^
shy badger
:DD
dense bone
you can also go to youtube to get upvotes
shy badger
You can hate on the game all you want, but at least explain what you don't like instead of shitting on the devs
dense bone
if ever i got to the point of complaining like this i typically just play something else, i wouldnt go to forums to yell into a well to feel good about myself
midnight nimbus
tfw asked someone at DICE for how wall penetration works
response is basically lol don't bother, it doesn't work
main grove
All the original software engineers have left for this Frostbite
dense bone
lol bad devs gg
main grove
So they really need a new engine
haughty pawn
midnight nimbus
BF is really technically impressive, but resources don't come for free
main grove
It's like being expected to be able to build a tank with the instructions in Vietnamese
midnight nimbus
it does a lot of things with unnecessary complexity imo
dense bone
i really doubt if something could be as simple as you say it could be, that the devs just ignored it
solid hinge
bf is a really complex game only 3092 iq people can get
midnight nimbus
could've used a simple wall pen system based on material and hardness alone
main grove
Material
Calibre
midnight nimbus
instead of some uber complex system based on material hardness, angles, caliber, etc.
main grove
That's it
solid hinge
totally not getting killed by the same weapon over and over again
dense bone
most games can get away with that, but bfv probably wants to account for more variables
midnight nimbus
and that's why tank damage works the way it does
glancing blows sound rly cool in theory
solid hinge
i feel like nyph is being paid by ea
midnight nimbus
except it's super inconsistent in practice
dense bone
i feel like im the only reasonable person
midnight nimbus
bc the system is unreadable
shy badger
Do we really need that many variables though? It's an arcade shooter not a simulation
main grove
I love that argument
dense bone
and most people are just dramatic name shamers
solid hinge
thats what an Ea agent would say
main grove
Straifht from 4chan
midnight nimbus
compared to how simple BF3/4 reactive armor worked
and you could easily port that system into BFV
dense bone
im not the devs for the game, but having a simple pen system just doesnt sound like bf to me
main grove
Accusing people of shilling because you cannot comprehend other people having an opinion
midnight nimbus
WW2 tanks had side skirts and additional armor as well
dense bone
it sounds like we want the complexity of bf, but when it comes to pen just make it csgo levels of basic
lavish raptor
everybody that doesnt and has never played bfv b like
hur dur its ok but bf1 better
main grove
No I've played both and I think that
lavish raptor
thats cool but you arent everybody
dense bone
bf1 was a better game, just had stupid design choices
lavish raptor
and you play both
main grove
It's people who've never played who mindlessly shit on it
lavish raptor
^
literally every person who whines about women or blacks or anything unrealistic havent even touched the game
solid hinge
EA agents
echo turtle
Common thing that comes up when talking about bfv
main grove
I do think a lot of creature comfort systems were better in BF1
shell quiver
battlefield 5 is a fun game it's just microtransactions and the developers that are
bad
midnight nimbus
how repair/build works
echo turtle
"I think that x is pretty good" and then some dude goes "bfv is trash" to insert themselves into the conversation
midnight nimbus
additional complexity in the death system creates a ton of issues
main grove
But BFV's shooting though 😩
dense bone
bf is a complex game
dense bone
again, want something done simple play cod or csgo
lavish raptor
^
lavish raptor
it is tho
main grove
But it isn't
dense bone
bf is way more complex than what most popular fps is
solid hinge
its not complex
shell quiver
BF5 shooting is fluid but also too much call of duty oriented compared to BF1.
The best part about BF5 is medic despite it being the worst fucking class.
solid hinge
Nah, play Fortnite for simple. Nothing simple like yelling kids
lavish raptor
the way you play is complex
dense bone
just look at bf vs cod comparisons
hoary condor
bfv shooting is fine
solid hinge
its not hard to understand battlefield
lavish raptor
bfv shooting is fye
solid hinge
its not complex at all
echo turtle
It makes itself look overly complex due to how the systems look to some people
shy badger
Wdym by being call of duty oriented? @shell quiver
lavish raptor
complex
dense bone
just to name a couple of things you have hitscan vs bullet travel and bullet drop, varying levels of that with velocity
main grove
Most games are like that
solid hinge
you always got that 48 service star guy using the same op weapon killing you all the time
main grove
Working by different rules does not equal complexity
dense bone
no one said that, but coding for all the factors i mentioned vs making everything hitscan is easily a difference in complexity
solid hinge
and artillery truck campers
Complex or not, you're not doing complex equations in your head to get the drop on someone. Lets be honest :P
these guys are only getting streaks because theyre safe from anything
they camp where you cant hit them
and just bomb you
hoary condor
Art trucks were so annoying 
dense bone
no one said the user has to work harder to get results, but all the code in the background is way more complex compared to most shooters
midnight nimbus
oh yeah, BFV shooting is good bc they finally used spread systems that other shooters have been using for 10+yrs now
main grove
They have put some unnecessary systems in though that overall make the experience worse though
hoary condor
play smart, not hard
shell quiver
@shy badger the ADS is a lot quicker and hipfire oriented with modern feeling reticle addons to your gun. there's a specific scope I think it was 3x or 1.5x can't remember but it's literally like a reflex sight. I don't recall world war 2 with god reflex sights but I might be historically inept
The shooting isn't bad with battlefield 5 though lol
solid hinge
the most annoying weapon is helriegel
there are better weapons
why do people only use it
dense bone
to simplify it, most games are static while bf is dynamic
solid hinge
nyph let me see how much EA paid you
main grove
It's got middling rpm and big mag
shell quiver
I prefer it more and both games still prioritize on big map fights than close range hipfire sprays
main grove
Big mag is everything for most people
shell quiver
in small maps
main grove
Why do you think Lewis is so popular in BFV
dense bone
@main grove when there are 32 people trying to kill me at any given time, and i ptfo, big mag all the way
shy badger
@shell quiver You're talking about the nydar sight? It was used even in ww1 if I'm not mistaken (just in limited numbers). ADS in cod is pretty slow compared to bf tbf, just compare the snipers.
hoary condor
small maps are for cod tbf
solid hinge
ironic how most bf players say bf is about big open maps then their favourite map is a locker or metro. map
shell quiver
yeah fair point
midnight nimbus
BF ADS time is pretty much equivalent to CoD nowadays
main grove
Or machinenpistole
dense bone
@solid hinge those maps are still bigger than most other maps in other games.. weird isnt it? the game with 64 players have bigger maps than games with 12 players
shell quiver
@solid hinge that's because there are small conquest maps and big conquest maps 😐
dense bone
relative
solid hinge
closed space but they say bf is about big open spaces
MOTHER RUSSIA NEEDS SOME RECOGNITION
shell quiver
not really because they're bigger still than most game maps
shy badger
Oh no go back to general please phantom
dense bone
no one says bf is about big open spaces
main grove
Big open spaces are a meme
dense bone
they say its about big maps
solid hinge
I'M STARTING A PETITION TO PUT RUSSIANS IN BFV
midnight nimbus
yeah BF is about the chaos
solid hinge
big maps with vehicules
dense bone
big maps are a staple of bf
midnight nimbus
people love BC2
solid hinge
favourite map locker without vehicules
midnight nimbus
probably bc the maps aren't fuckhuge empty fields
dense bone
you have found some irony in metro being a favorite, doesnt really prove anything
main grove
Rush is the best mode because it actually condenses the action down to a palatable amount of chaos
solid hinge
Battlefield is about HEART, CoD is all about that DOOKIE
hoary condor
i'm so used to bf... ultimate destruction
shell quiver
conquest is not grand operations @solid hinge
conquest is great yeah because you don't have a panzer running you down every five seconds If you aren't assault class but Grand operations is a staple of BF and so are big maps of BF in general. They're war oriented not small operation oriented
autumn nest
Indeed
shell quiver
people like the idea of those type of maps because it's a lot more freedom
shy badger
Yea conquest is pretty chill, that's why it's my favorite
dense bone
i like conquest since theres a lot of choices and its ever changing
autumn nest
Rush and Conquest are probably the best
dense bone
you get shit like rush where its a front line of campers
shy badger
It can be sweaty with the right squad
solid hinge
operations is a more epic version of conquest
umbral jacinth
I'm new to the game and would like to play medic, any tips?
shell quiver
conquest is for easier kills
solid hinge
i find operations is
shell quiver
unless you drop with a shotgun right behind the enemy lines from a plane
solid hinge
Matchmaking for Operations whether Grand or not take too long :S
shy badger
@umbral jacinth Use smokes and a lot of them
shell quiver
and begin blasting them all
solid hinge
sectors have few flags
hoary condor
i prefer breakthrough
shy badger
Stick to close range
solid hinge
and people are concentrated in them
shy badger
Experiment with all weapons
dense bone
@umbral jacinth play to your strengths, run smoke nades to navigate map, youre range typically sucks, smoke before you revive
solid hinge
i mean
hoary condor
topaz dome
put your smokes in front of the people you are going to revive
solid hinge
most of the time its snipers not playing objective
autumn nest
^
shy badger
And remember, you're the most likable teammate when you're a good medic, and the most hated when you're a bad one 😉
solid hinge
the medic that doesnt revive
shell quiver
playing as the medic class is by far the most god awful worst decision unless you have a support constantly giving you ammo to hipfire spray everyone like a machine gun
because unlimited heals
hoary condor
smoke launcher is so helpful
autumn nest
I usually run around the map when I play recon instead of camping one spot
dense bone
@shell quiver or you ptfo where theres always a ammo crate and youre good to go
dense bone
dont bypass filters, its against the rules
shy badger
lmao
solid hinge
but the other man isnt
autumn nest
Lol
shy badger
Double standards
shell quiver
@dense bone yeah just try spraying into groups and jogging 20m back to the nearest ammo crate.
You can't.
echo turtle
Because he killed more people
solid hinge
what the fuck
shell quiver
It's not persistent.
dense bone
i play a lot of medic like that
autumn nest
Because communism is less offensive I guess
dense bone
i do fine
echo turtle
Can't have a man with low KD be not censored
solid hinge
communism killed like 160 million people
shell quiver
you'll be fine yeah but you aren't gonna be on the front lines that easy spraying and healing people
shell quiver
but if you have a support throwing ammo at you hiding while you spray people constantly and heal
hoary condor
wonders of team work 
royal gull
Did Stalin target specific ethnic groups for extermination or just kill whomever he wanted?
shell quiver
you can rack up a decent amount of kills until people learn what the hell their left mouse button or right trigger is
autumn nest
Basically anyone who stood in his way @royal gull
shell quiver
which is something most people that play battlefield 5 have no clue what is
shy badger
wasn't hirohito a puppet?
dense bone
so you can get decent amount of kills than..
solid hinge
he was propoganda for japan
shell quiver
@dense bone unlimited ammo plus unlimited health
solid hinge
and approved unit 731
dense bone
not necessary
solid hinge
and unit 731 outclasses every german war crime
royal gull
I think that's the big difference then on why its looked at differently. Methhead targeted specific ethnic groups with the intent to commit total genocide while Stalin was just a basic mass murderer
shell quiver
you can reverse it too even and have the engineer constantly healed while he uses tank grenades on infantry
dense bone
sure youll do better with a dedicated support, but its hardly something that if you dont have you are fucked
its a perk, not a necessity
shy badger
Right, but I don't think those were his plans really, but his general's
shell quiver
and does 68 damage per shot. that shit is ABUSABLE. You can just shit out AT piston rounds every 10 seconds with an ammo crate
shy badger
He was a weak man, not a terrible man unlike others
balmy creek
G'day lads
royal gull
Japan still got off too lightly
dense bone
hello/goodbye
shell quiver
@dense bone The recoil on most medic guns + lack of ammo means you have to retreat a lot to get ammo
autumn nest
G'day
shell quiver
meaning if you don't you just die. unlimited health packs or not lmao
no ammo = likely death unless you can knife people at the speed of light
dense bone
i have 30 hours on medic, you dont have to do that
shell quiver
or if they just don't know how to play the game
dense bone
when you kill people go over their body and get ammo
shell quiver
that's fair.
dense bone
if ever get low or have chance get ammo
imo people who complain about ammo are probably camping or stupid
shell quiver
It's a lot easier not to rush out on the battlefield unless you're directly rushing through the enemy team
dense bone
because i play solo like a mother fucker and hardly have ammo problems
midnight nimbus
some classes/guns are more impacted than others
bc fractional magazine recovery makes no sense
shell quiver
Recon is fun to abuse with flare gun.
dense bone
if youre complaining about ammo than pick something not as fucked by it as others
shell quiver
You can constantly spam resupply your flare gun if the enemy team and you are at a draw in taking a point
And shit out flares constantly to get a ton of points
and help your team out
it's literally unlimited radar help
midnight nimbus
like SLR recon gets hurt so bad by ammo attrition
but Turner assault gets enough ammo for like 3 kills per pickup lol
same with 1916 and G1-5
totally makes sense DICE, thnx
dense bone
12 hours with model 8, as ptfo recon, if anyone should have problems it should be me, and i hardly ran into scenarios where ammo was a bother
granted, i ptfo
midnight nimbus
meanwhile, the ZH-29 that's designed to be played in the same range as the 1916 barely gets enough ammo for one kill per pickup
shell quiver
assault is pretty much useless compared to support unless you're on a vehicle map. sure some of the guns are useful in assault and you do get a PIAT but engineer can just shit tank grenades and better controlling high damaging guns with an ammo box
midnight nimbus
and it's a long range weapon, designed to not be used in the range where you pick up ammo
10/10 logic
shell quiver
imagine using the boys AT rifle and saying you're a good recon player
dense bone
assault is THE killing class
with 32 people normally at obj, its the primary way of getting shit done in the game
shell quiver
"Assault is THE killing class"
Guns you down in a second with a KE7
Blasts your solar plexus in with a shotgun slug
dense bone
so i wouldnt say assault is useless
shell quiver
literally lays down and sprays you with LMG as I laugh at you
dense bone
they just dont provide much to the team
shell quiver
they don't provide much anything at all lol
you get a slightly more ranged gun
that's it
dense bone
SARs are basically relative snipers
solid hinge
assault is overrated
midnight nimbus
> thinking LMGs are good when SARs and 1907 exist
shell quiver
yeah fair
dense bone
anything outside of SAR range you really shouldnt have to worry about
assault is a selfish class, that doesnt provide anything to team but kill potential
shy badger
SARs are incredible
dense bone
when 50% of alive people dont ptfo either
shy badger
Many of them have a faster muzzle velocity than the fastest bolt action (!)
midnight nimbus
almost all of them do lol
dense bone
still surprised dice hasnt upped bolts velocity, its an obvious buff imo
hoary condor
breakthrough on hamada, i had 40% of my team at spawn sniping and our tank.... (we were attacking) 
midnight nimbus
they gave the community what they wanted with bolts
people love watching le epic bullet drop
hoary condor
assault is a great class
midnight nimbus
people complained when BF1 gave bolts realistic velocity bc they couldn't watch the epic bullet drop
hoary condor
i do love bolts
dense bone
ive only seen feedback in this discord, and idk anyone that wanted that
midnight nimbus
so then DICE added Martini Sniper variant as a meme so people can literally watch their bullets drop like rocks
shell quiver
the only reason you would play assault is to unload PIAT (I hardly play assault so I forget the rocket launcher) and tank mines on a tank.
literally if a tiger is in the area and there's a singular assault infantry the tiger is gone lol
hoary condor
long shot, the dip and headhshot
dense bone
almost anyone here that knows anything thinks bolts should have higher velocity
hoary condor
i don't like the animation
shy badger
I like to rock the m95 with iron sights
shell quiver
@dense bone you have to admit the only good reason assault exists besides SAR is tank killing lmfao
Until a recon with the boys AT breathes air
shy badger
What else do you want them to do? Be good at everything?
shy badger
They're decent at close range, incredibly good at medium, and great against tanks
dense bone
up close go m1907 or the first assault gun
hoary condor
dense bone
from there you are effective up to like 150-200m
with guns specialized at almost every point in between
not to mention they have the best perks for solo play outside of medic healing
lavish raptor
zh29 > literally every gun in the game if you are having a bad game
dense bone
over 200m imo you dont even have to worry about people
hardly anyone is landing shots at that range
hoary condor
zh is a good gun but i don't like it up close as everyone else would of assault of smg
lavish raptor
like you can have a slump day and not be able to warm up and the zh is there like a comfort food
dense bone
ignore, move to more relative objectives, and actually do something
dense bone
@thorn finch reddit says they suck
shy badger
Do you dare challenge the liberator with that puny zh29 you mortal?
hoary condor
gold 
worthy wharf
gold sucks
thorn finch
Reddit says everything sucks
dense bone
^
worthy wharf
its either chromed or blued
hoary condor
chrome is good tbf
worthy wharf
thats the one thing i dont like about the MAB
its my fave weapon atm
but it has those shit skins
not chromed and blued
midnight nimbus
every other gun gets realistic velocity except for bolts lolololol
lavish raptor
reddit says that we should have a battlefield game where we literally play as IRA members and have car bombs
dense bone
lol the fucking reddit comments for burnt "a burnt plane, what next wet newspaper" what a genuis
hoary condor
i still feel M95 has good velocity
lavish raptor
so idk bout relying on anything reddit says
dense bone
reddit is mostly meme kids chasing karma
hoary condor
that's Reddit in general
hoary condor
i use it well, guess that's all that matters
worthy wharf
the only scout weapon i can use effectively is the rsc
hoary condor
M95 and Lee for me
dense bone
p08c, model 8, and ZH for me
hoary condor
p08c seems op for me
worthy wharf
it sucks in my eyes
dense bone
its a mini g1-5
worthy wharf
why would you take that when you could just take a sten or a mab
dense bone
i wouldnt call it op, but up close it does melt
get into any sort of range and the p08c kinda blows though
worthy wharf
i guess it does do more damage than the smg's
but it still just feels like a pea shooter when i use it
hoary condor
I have fell back inlove with the sten
lavish raptor
i cant pass up medic
hoary condor
x1.5
lavish raptor
i just finished getting sten gold last night its nice
hoary condor
lucky
i'm nowhere near
got the tommy gun, but seem to suck using it... but if i pick it up i'm great
worthy wharf
i would like to gold my mab, but im fairly certain the last challenge is impossible
10 kills above 30m in one life
shy badger
How did you spec up the tommy squid?
worthy wharf
or 25 kills above 30m in a round
dense bone
doesnt sound too hard
worthy wharf
trust me, its impossible
dense bone
bet
worthy wharf
oh it needs to be done in pvp too
hoary condor
@shy badger i haven't probably why
shy badger
Yea lol explains it
worthy wharf
getting one kill above 30m with the mab is pretty hard
worthy wharf
haha, yeah,
shy badger
If you're sweaty go for all R
worthy wharf
i challenge you to gold that thing
hoary condor
i got the m95 gold by mistake, i didn't even know 
shy badger
If you feel like having a meme go for the 20 round mag with the faster rof
dense bone
what do i get when i gold it?
shy badger
And enjoy melting people
dense bone
send nudes
dense bone
damnit
worthy wharf
ill give you my spotify log in
hows that
you can go ham on it
fuck all my play lists up
dense bone
thats just cruel
worthy wharf
well im that certain you wont gold it
worthy wharf
ok now i regret this
hoary condor
100m kills pls 
dense bone
most guns i get the final gold only take 1 match
hoary condor
Grind is good for sniper headshots in objective areas
as most of the map the defend in is the obj area
worthy wharf
@dense bone thought of something
dense bone
im gonna do it and fuck up your playlist now that you doubted ill do it
solid hinge
nyphon have you tried the mab
worthy wharf
i was gonna say i will spend 24 hours without touching the internet
because that would be harder for me than messing my Spotify up
chilly marten
WHEEZE
dense bone
i think i got the mab to lvl 4
hoary condor
i think i killed one person with it, thought it was crap, redeployed 
worthy wharf
its my fave weapon,
chilly marten
literally every SMG is garbage
chilly marten
unless you hit the skill trree
dense bone
youre garbage
worthy wharf
ermm suomi is godly
chilly marten
without the skill tree it's trash
worthy wharf
not really
hoary condor
i don't hipfire
chilly marten
i remember trying to reach lvl 4 with it
dense bone
hipfire is for gamblers
chilly marten
took me like 10 matches
well
honestly
if they are right there in front of me
i wont waste time aiming
unless if it isn't a SMG
dense bone
shoot while adsing
hoary condor
i always ads
chilly marten
ok
dense bone
same
worthy wharf
i dont, not always,
hoary condor
or go for random no scopes across map
chilly marten
what gun do you guys think is the best?
worthy wharf
m8 its personal preference
chilly marten
yes
hoary condor
stg44
chilly marten
yeah
worthy wharf
but in general i would say the stg
chilly marten
an opinion
dense bone
g1-5
worthy wharf
yeah see, more proof your just weird 
dense bone
its only weakness is range, which compared to most guns, it still does well in
dense bone
g1-5 range only sucks when compared to other SARS or range specific guns
chilly marten
my favorite gun is the RSC.
hoary condor
Bren is a good gun
worthy wharf
yeah its not too bad
dense bone
g1-5 is one of 3 guns i got a 2.5+ kpm with
worthy wharf
bren isnt a good alrounder tho
hoary condor
i like it
chilly marten
i enjoy the Bren
solid hinge
honestly after trying double hipfire specs on the smgs it doesnt feel like chance anymore
worthy wharf
its good at mid range, but anything else its ass
hoary condor
x1.5 onit
chilly marten
it's my favorite LMG
warm atlas
Bren is the best
solid hinge
they're so tight
hoary condor
KE7
chilly marten
bruh
worthy wharf
ke7 is awsome
hoary condor
it's terrible lol
worthy wharf
even after its nerf its still amazing
worthy wharf
didnt you say you liked the bren tho
dense bone
i think lewis is possibly the gun i would recommend to absolutely everyone
hoary condor
bf1 it was good
solid hinge
it's weird it doesnt have any strong points
chilly marten
the Lewis is good and all
hoary condor
i struggle with it in bfv
echo turtle
They nerfed it enough
chilly marten
but
shy badger
lewis is nutty
worthy wharf
ribby isnt too bad either
hoary condor
ribey is good
warm atlas
I just don’t like the lewis gun in V. Idk why
dense bone
ribby is just a smaller mag lewis
shy badger
Try the madsen or bren then
solid hinge
3x scope accuracy specs Lewis is a bastard weapon
hoary condor
can't beat em, join em
worthy wharf
shot guns on metro tho
chilly marten
no
worthy wharf
thats a new story
hoary condor
shotguns on metro are the worst
worthy wharf
shot guns on metro is just awsome
hoary condor
i only use shotguns in firestorm
solid hinge
bf1 has best theme
dense bone
solid hinge
second is bf 1942
hoary condor
thats because i don't have a choice
solid hinge
third is bf4
chilly marten
oh
guys
if you have the chance
would go bayonet people
I have a weird obsession with claiming Dog Tags.
worthy wharf
dense bone
shoot > melee
warm atlas
I thought the bayonet was brokeded in BF1 but in V it’s mental.
chilly marten
i get 2 dog tags per match avg
hoary condor
V it's so good
echo turtle
Shanking people denies a revive
echo turtle
Really nice
warm atlas
That day a few weeks ago when you needed 5 bayonet charges or whatever. (Maybe it was 10) I got them all on one round on Rotterdam
hoary condor
warm atlas
MP-34 + Bayonet is a gnarly combo
dense bone
@hoary condor arent those all firestorm weapons?
hoary condor
NO 👀
warm atlas
I mean I was actively going for bayonets. So I wouldn’t normally get that many.
hoary condor
tbf most of them are MP
chilly marten
You mean Dog Tags?
solid hinge
mhm
chilly marten
hell
warm atlas
Can we talk about how ugly the tags are in V?
chilly marten
i'm gonna grind rn
solid hinge
there's someone in here with 5.5 thousand of them
solid hinge
I've given up on catching up to him but I still like having tags
warm atlas
So disappointing. I loved customizing my tags in 3-1
But they’re so bland in this game.
Those apocalypse tags in BF1 were beautiful
lavish raptor
how do you check tag requirements/
echo turtle
Profile
icy sluice
I'm sorry, what's going on in here? @solid hinge
lavish raptor
i got one
solid hinge
TAGS
dense bone
i dont play tag anymore, too fat
lavish raptor
i got both yay
icy sluice
Nyphon is a chonker
dense bone
chonker of a cat for sure
icy sluice
They're good... two tips I can give off the back are that flares are good so that you can bayonet charge someone coming around the corner... and the Combat Medic will speed the animations up by a considerable amount
Club and Heavies have the quickest behind animation
Club and Knives have similar side animations but I think they're faster than heavies
All front animations are pretty similar in time
solid hinge
I can barely get heavy executions to trigger
idle breach
nice to meet you guys
icy sluice
If you're a Recon, don't use clubs or knives, really.
idle breach
I don't have 'regular' patch on me so I'm new here
so
is this game a boomer game
or this channel a boomer channel
icy sluice
One thing that helps in cqc is hitting someone with a bolt action and then using a heavy
idle breach
yeah heavy is good for finishing someone, knife is good for uh.. just killing proning people
or melee standoff
icy sluice
Knife has the best takedown angle
idle breach
yeah
icy sluice
A knife to the side will usually work
idle breach
pretty accurate detail by dice,
icy sluice
So if you're very quick and get face to face, you can sprint jump to get to their side and quickly stab them
gray saffron
don't forget the bipods
icy sluice
Bipod knife
idle breach
is 360rpm semi auto(MAS44/Turner) got buffed or something? I feel better with these guns recently
icy sluice
I don't recall, sorry.
icy sluice
Alright...
idle breach
I really hope some maps get some rework
I don't really expect dice to make new maps pretty fast and regular,I think it's safer to make existing maps better
to me one good map is better than two shitty maps
solid hinge
i really hope weapons in this game actually get some balance
because current state is a freaking joke
petition to make battlefield 40 000 bc
i want 64 players beating each others to death with a rock
dapper oyster
solid hinge
ok
idle breach
- arras is good, can use some slight modifications like weather/colour theme change to make it feel new.
- devastation is good, can use more that alternative weather and rush/breakthrough kinda mode can use some modifications.
- rotterdam is good but some specific corners need a slight tweak I think, and some supply point positions and things.
- panzerstorm is pretty good but I don't think that rainy foggy weather is a good idea for 'alt weather(and also the most frequent)', it gives better environment for infantries but... it stays just too long
- fjell has same problem with panzerstorm, blizzard should last shorter and more frequently, and actual wind affecting player and planes would be great. and also need some more stat aa positions and things or new fortifications like takes long to build anti-bombing (at least strafing) bunker or something
solid hinge
I have heavy melee on anything that can insta kill out of one shot
idle breach
- marita is a shitfest, the conquest works like shitty version of grind cq, just need more flank routes or vehicle or complete rework to actually moving frontline
- mercury is fine but supply point position is pretty stupid
- aerodrome is unbalanced
- I don't see the point of operation underground should have longer round time compared to other maps(in general fewer map change by explosions), and performance issues.
balmy creek
Were you looking for the notepad on your computer?
balmy creek
Congratulations
balmy creek
👍
idle breach
thank god I'm not the type of mental that hurts people
watched the joker film yesterday, all I could think was 'wow gotham city welfare system is some class A shit waiting for disaster to happen'
solid hinge
- cant drop prone into water
- accuracy of heavy mg’s is a joke - too low, completely unrealistic and underpowered
- cant aim down sights with mg’s
- mg’s spray more than shotguns when hipfired
- can’t crawl onto small obstacles when prone
- mg’s damage is a joke (mg42), 3 headshots needed to kill
- mg’s bipods often deactivate at the worst possible moment
- cannot put your barrell on a wall (like in arma 3)
- too big delay when you want to start shooting with mg when running
- when you move your body when bipodded, player raises the bipod instead of going around the bipod (key bind for deploy bipod needed)
- cannot aim directly upwards or downwards
- launchers are broken and weak – if you shoot under legs of your enemy, you die – enemy won’t
- dynamite is too weak – same effect as above
- anti armor heavy sniper rifle kills with one shot but only below 100 meters – this is nonsense
- fortifications are to weak and easily destructible – one tank shot destroys all sandbags – in reality a tank shell would just penetrate the sandbags through, dealing damage to people behind it – but sandbags would remain – world war II guns didn’t have as much cavity effect as modern weapons - even modern shells’ cavity would have a hard time devastating several cubic meters of sandbags with one shot
that's my rant bout bfv
in short
icy sluice
If the MG42 did anymore damage with 950 RPM, it would break it even more
solid hinge
they had most of this fixed in battlefield 4 i dont know why the hell they messed up with V
no it wouldn't if it was balanced the same way as in BF4
icy sluice
I can already spray down like 6 people before it overheats
solid hinge
in BF4 you do have at least some chance vs others with an mg - here you are forced to camp and even then you are defenseless from more than 50 meters because it won't hit anything accurately beyond that
assault rifles are more effective and versatile than mg's in every aspect by a BIG factor
idle breach
- drop prone? I'm not sure I understand
- I don't think mmg are weak, I think we can more diversify the mmg, more hipfire/run and gun focused mmg(S2-2000 but more extreme) or just prone-using mmg(focused on firepower or accuracy, like mg34 and mg42 but the difference should be larger)
- yeah but in balancewise I think MG should spray worse than shotgun
- yeah bipods are still not perfect
- never played arma3, that would be great. more creative point for using bipod or any place to lay down your weapon would be great really
- I think mg should have longer delay than other guns but well, we can have that kinda gun but not really good when mounted, we can tweak VGO I think
- manual bipod is great idea, well I still don't use manual leaning but don't see the downside really
- think that's intended for balance
- I'm happy that piat nerfed, I'm fine with current state but doing damage more to yourself is weird, agree
- I think dynamites are strong enough. maybe we can have some other variants of explosives? can-carry-one but more powerful thing.
- agree, fortifications are too weak
midnight nimbus
> If the MG42 did anymore damage with 950 RPM, it would break it even more
No, wouldn't matter
that's why spread and recoil are a thing
idle breach
whenever I use MMG, I'm not dragging the whole team but I think it's not because MMG is good enough it's just I played this game a lot and I know where to prone/wait.
midnight nimbus
all the DPS in the world doesn't matter if your gun isn't accurate enough to land the shots
and manual bipod is dumb af
literally input tax
icy sluice
CoD had it and sucked
idle breach
how about buildable tripod for support?
midnight nimbus
literally even more input tax
gray glade
what does manual bipod mean exactly, like we had in bf1 and bf4?
idle breach
or at least support can build some.. sandbag anywhere?
yeah I know we can use ammo crate but
midnight nimbus
if the speed of the bipod deployment bothers you that bad, just have a longer buffer until it's deployed
solid hinge
- by drop prone into water i mean - say youre running in a water up to your knees - you cannot drop prone into the water (underwater) - it's just one handy thing that would be usefull, i already died multiple times on metro by this
icy sluice
Manual Bipod means that it's no longer automatic and you have to press a button for it to bipod
icy sluice
No, it will do it automatically as of right now
gray glade
then as someone who's mained LMG/MMG and used ALOT of bipod since bf3, manual is far better than automatic bipod
midnight nimbus
but why do you want something manual
icy sluice
The bipod animations are not really intrusive in this game, thankfully.
midnight nimbus
when you can do it automatically
solid hinge
they could just add auto/manual option and problem solved
idle breach
because MANUAL MASTER RACE?
gray glade
i'd preferre manual if that fixes the bipods
icy sluice
@midnight nimbus reminding me of modded Minecraft right now (Why chop that tree down when you can a u t o m a t e it! )
idle breach
I guarantee there are some people who want fucking clutch pedals on their bipod lol
solid hinge
and once you deploy the bipod, moving sideways WOULDNT pick it up like now - its extremely annoying - this would allow for repositioning your body without raising the bipod
so say you re bipodded and want to rotate 180
you should be able to crawl your body around the bipod
midnight nimbus
honestly yeah, why require multiple clicks when you can just have one click to chop the tree down
why do you think minecraft building mods are so popular
icy sluice
Not even one click, make a machine
idle breach
well anyway, I think it's safe to say using MMG is not really intuitive especially to new players.
midnight nimbus
bc it's tedious as fuck to create a 400x400 square without one
gray glade
well the recent nerf to turning with bipods when you are prone didnt really do much
it takes like 1 sec to turn 180 anyways
if even that
solid hinge
about mg's - in battlefield 4 they work nearly perfectly, when ADS they are significantly slower than assault rifles but they compensate with advantage when bipodded
icy sluice
I don't know why people don't get up after being shot when they're prone
midnight nimbus
bruh BF4 ADS time for LMGs is still fast as shit
idle breach
responce..?
midnight nimbus
it's like BFV SMG tier
icy sluice
I meant don't lol
solid hinge
AND another very very important idea i had
icy sluice
I am kinda tired right now.
midnight nimbus
everything in BF4 ADSed super fast
solid hinge
you know that delay between mouse and turret of a tank?
gray glade
nerfing the deployment of bipod speed, like we got in bf5 probably increased the numbers of campers anyways
solid hinge
it should be for every weapon depending on weapon weight
solid hinge
so say youre running forward with mg42 and want to rotate left quickly
icy sluice
I don't think it should be on weapons...
solid hinge
your mouse and aim cursor should be able to do this BUT MG WOULD FOLLOW WITH DELAY
gray glade
dude no
solid hinge
very balance much science
idle breach
I got a solution
gray glade
but people will hate it
gray glade
the feeling of constant lag when you run holding a heavy weapon
im sorry but thats a terrible idea
idle breach
yes
midnight nimbus
LIMITED INFANTRY TURNING RATE 
idle breach
I'm professional terrible idea suggestor
midnight nimbus
yes, kill your playerbase even faster pls
icy sluice
I personally don't think that's a good idea
solid hinge
you know if they added avtivation window for this delay people wouldnt hate it because it would activate only in very fast moves
making the mg's balanced among other weapons
say you re running with a light assault rifle
gray glade
i have a feel none of the dice devs actually play with mmg alot
icy sluice
MMGs already have a huge weight of needing a bipod
gray glade
judging by how their mmg nerfs work
solid hinge
you can rotate quickly with the weapon if the weapon is light
if the weapon is heavy, you need to use more force
idle breach
they could just had something like
solid hinge
and after you accelerate your body and its extension (the weapon), the weapon will deaccelerate slower
icy sluice
Lemme just fling my mouse across my desk to do a 90 degree turn nao
idle breach
don't make mmg a bipod-only ADS but
midnight nimbus
long ADS time and poor hipfire is enough to nerf them
idle breach
stupid slow ADS and something
solid hinge
its bullshit and lack of fun, mg's are useless now
idle breach
it's... too different from other weapons to balance well
gray glade
like the recent nerf, where it takes a long time to turn when you are prone... anyone that plays mmg alot knows that you can turn 180 when prone with bipod by just pressing "jump" (which removes the slowness of turning) and then you spin 180 and prone again... takes 1 sec max, prolly ½ a sec
midnight nimbus
works great
icy sluice
MMGs can still do a lot in this game
solid hinge
you stand NO chance with an mg against any class right now
icy sluice
Hey guys, should I bring up that MG42 clip again? 
midnight nimbus
MMGs are still a stupid meme
idle breach
if we think mg is terrible you still can kill another support with mg
solid hinge
the recent nerf is not what im talking about
im talking about adding smooth inertia
thats not the same
recent nerf just added "moments" of slow down above angle window
icy sluice
I don't think they need another weight holding them down
gray glade
@solid hinge what stops ppl from equipping pistol then?
icy sluice
Stop, stop it's already dead
gray glade
equip pistol, turn 180, equip mmg... voila, no intertia
solid hinge
for example the fact that they like playing mg's or thing that you ll get mangled by assault class if you just use your pistol or for example situation where you quickly need to respond with fire and you have 10 people in front of you
idea is to get mg's back to bf4 state, but for the fastest and strongest ones like mg42 add inertia delay to prevent situation where everyone on the server is running around with an mg42 stand-quickscoping everyone around
icy sluice
That's already Operation Underground | After the Edit, still operation underground lol
solid hinge
yea because they dont break laws of physics and handle well xd