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Epic
I just got a triple with a grenade
😩
guess what map it was on
Operation Smoke Grenade
Uhhh theres maps in this game?
😔
Can't even spam right
@desert dune make this man disappear
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I’m trying so hard to like BFV, but every time I play more and more it just brings me misery

@desert dune same, every time I try to play BFV I just get bored after one game and return to bf1
The players are a big problem for me
Laying on their bellies with MGs
wow morning just did a pensive
An SLR beat me to it and I was Recon
who did this monstrosity
That was my last straw

Constantly being placed on the losing side doesn’t help either 
entschuldigung
bruh
bruh
Metro is good map overall
No bipod-locked weapons (let MMGs and ATs ADS), 3D spotting, minimap spotting, automatic healing and ammo auras, no "skillful" screenshake recoil, better colour palette
😩😩
I hipfired more than I've ADD
ADS
ez flanking too
I got killed by a shotgun after going around a corner
and I saw my teammate get blasted by the shotgun
Im a BF4 Aussie sniper player.. looking at the newer games BF1/BFV which is 'working' has populated servers for Australia? and is there a Aussie Battlefield discord all links Ive found so far are dead
!!lfg @tepid tulip
ℹ Looking for Players to play with?
Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation
If the MG42 can ADS, it would eliminate the Suomi and Tommy in most engagements
Lmao
have you ever tried ADSing a mg42 in sustained fire irl
f to face if you tried to ADS with an MG42
if you don't fall over first
k/d, for me, very good
this was in metro btw
So I think I "fixed" my ping problem. I think I might have been joining the wrong north american servers.
BRUH
When there is slots available in OC servers but the game puts you in an NA server 
Kinda dumb there's no difference in naming when it comes to "east" and "west".
Only "North America".
Also if AT Rifles can ADS, fuck all the other bolt actions then lol
at rifles cant, you cant look down sights without a bipod
Just get a dude to hold it up
Going to run the ol' packet sniffer to confirm.
just like irl
but apparently it takes one person to operate an MG42
and AT rifkes
rifles*
@icy sluice No idea what that's about it was a simple question cya
i mean if one person really wanted to, they could operate a mg42 if it was on the ground
The Underground Outfit is nice
really nice 
It looks french 😳
@icy sluice fuck all the other bolt actions anyways
I had a dream last night that I was playing BFV, but all the bolt actions could OHK and it was a beautiful dream
I almost have my ROSS tags
Bolt Action should win because of scope time
But snipers are awkward cause i changed my controls
You know how you press LS to hold breath, Raze.
Yeah
My LS is for leaning left
So my natural instinct is to hold breath to increase accuracy which results in awkward leaning
I changed it to conflict with my marking button
But then if you accidentally aim down the scope for too long, you'll lose breath and have to regain it
The madsen. While cool as fuck. Its not top tier
The BREN is chunkier and is more forgiving at close range
Madsen is certainly a competitor
The accuracy and mag helps so much
I might jump on and play for a bit, I got home like half an hour ago
Bana LMG
Three
Dang
Ike, Temprd and cyanide. We can split our squads up no problem.
LITERALLY, My friends were amazed how dedicated he was
Well by friends i meant skuxx and shit
Medic/support
Tommy?
im trying to buy BF1 is it good to buy?
Oh my god my fucking game crashed loading the map
@prime pine inv me to the party
some metro matches are just terrible
unlike any other kind of awful match in another map because you can barely move out of spawn
its a meat grinder map, shouldnt be anything else
Idk what's with the flooding tho
my first (and only) game so far we pushed the jerries back to C and then took it
i like it
but i have no idea what triggers the flooding
Same
l e v o l u t i o n
I think it's automatic
cus it's not levolution
levolution stopped being used in like
BF1
BFH had some
honestly bf1 was just weather conditions
with the crane and the mansion
true
coulda been earthquakes or artillery shellings tho
break up the whole map after a coupla seconds of b o o m
why earthquakes
most of WWI happened in Russia, Middle East and France
soo
not really on any faults
ik lol
just sayin there’s a possibility of levelution in world war one settings that isn’t a city collapsing or whatever

some of the western front maps could have an artillery barrage that would change the face of the map entirely
the valley based eastern front maps could have an avalanche
fao fortress could have a massive warship crash into it halfway through
that giant dry dock map could have a flood and sink part of it
and so on
oHHH
oh yeah
i just remember the model 1900 was such a meme on that map
the other turning tides map is hella fun
2 dreadnoughts
fuck yeah
speaking of dreadnoughts
did you know when you fly near the guns as they fire and you're in front of them, it actually affects your plane
By making you go up or down
Bf1 anyone?
What console
Pc
Thanks
I drowned because it started flooding in the tunnels
imagine drowning in
the tunnels
😔
wait hold on
the p e s t
of the s kies
drowned
IN WATER?
😳
@teal compass a bat actually
what
hes a bat
Dear dice
a thicc bat? 
I love your game to death
But among all it's problems
And all its flaws
Why can a solider survive getting run over by a tank?
They just kinda
Scoot along
It's a 3 tonne war machine
It should atleast kill a bloody soldier by running over them
I mean
If they survive getting run over by a Staghound by the wheels not hitting them then it's understandable
Jesus metro is fun
what if they made it where you can blow up a pillar and the ceiling comes down
revealing a new path
The MP28 and the 1907 SF are awesome
wow ok no m1928
Thompson*
i can't enter bf1
even with a good internet it still say i lost connection to ea server
@teal compass nah
😔
So
Metro has made me hate conquest even more
It’s such a boring slog
But breakthrough?
MAN that shits fun
So i heard that a pacific theater is coming out for Battlefield 5
do you guys know if there will be more campaign to it?
and like will there be any more new campaigns to the new chapters and stuff?
Idk sry
Grand operation vs Operation
I doubt it .. single player campaigns are more akin to TV series productions in terms of cost, outsourcing actors and production facilities. To make a fresh campaign SP would delay Chapter 5 by months
I mean I'm pretty sure every other expansion in the other games didn't expand the campaign as well
if you look on imdb the production of BFV's campaign stories is detailed, Nordlys for instance features actors who worked on a few TV shows https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9053434/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1
You know, production of Battlefront 2's campaigns was probably the last thing Carrie Fischer did before she died
no one's ever really gone
There's a problem rushing B in metro, the barricades from behind are awkward, needing you to duck before hopping in.
Meaning I get stuck in the doorway, and killed.
According to the BF tracker
My most used weapon is the Sten
who cares that I have 48 kills with it
and the fact that I have 4.5k kills with the MP40
cus apparently I use the Sten the most

So today I have witnessed one of razes moments
And by moment i mean
He fires a rocket launcher, accidentally kills himself and launches hinself across the map.
Can you confirm. Raze.
I think I've got a better fix for unbalanced teams
we dont need an auto-balancer- we need an auto-game-ender
if the game suspects enough of an imbalance, the game just ends, "Enemy retreated"
that will throw enough people back into the pool to back fill other games that sorely need it
That might maybe work if theres an imbalance of like 20 people
but it takes some time until the next match starts
@prime pine I’ll be up for some more games soon, I’m just downloading something real quick and I’ll be on.
Oh cool
One handed PIAT? 👏 I commend you.
Are any of the mmgs good when aiming without the bipod?
no they are all pretty much the same bad
Oh
or, well, good when it's within 5 METERS
so metro and houses, rooms, stuff like that
but even then it's prone to RNG misfire
you can either melt the guy or see your bullets spray behind his shoulders
Well you can it's just not going to be effective
you can grab Lewis Gun for that tho
with extended mag
S2-200 is decent when hipfire
Lewis gun with 97 bullets is too good
Still great
you can get outgunned if the guy is not stupid and prefires
because most people just sprint behind corners
especially on metro
or, Ubahn
Let's make a petition to call the new operation underground U-bahn
because it's german metro
I thought the 1-5 was gonna be good for underground, but then I saw the long corridors

I actually like this metro remake more than ANY of grindfest maps
even the "Grind" gamemode grindfests
SMGs are fucking amazing on Underground
what did you expect
Also 1907 SF
I want to run ironsights Panzerbuchse for the meme
Just fucking delete a guy and then get hammered by the rest of the people in the room
or, you know, somehow make it work. I am familiar with bipod mechanics enough to be able to delete people with bipoded stuff
anyway I probably want to do it more for the salt rather than efficiency
also, hot damn throwing knives are probably going to be good too
Someone please let me know how to make this playable as I've installed 4 different drivers and no luck. Bad frames & stuttering 😑
Nvidia card btw
This is the clip where raze blows himself
test
absolutely a great new map, but i am experiencing bad frame rates compared to all the other maps. normally i get 90FPS this map im between 50 - 60FPS.
putting this aside I had a great night playing it last night & i think this will help the BFV game.
Operation Underground is a fantastic map
At least you guys are only getting stutters and frame drops
On PS4 the game just BREAKS
Crashing
love that there is flanking potential instead of it being a stalemate
Drift, is it just me or is there a problem with the sandbags on B?
I’ve not had any issues with the fortifications
Not with the fact you have to duck under the door when climbing over the fortifications?
Meaning you panic, get stuck and get shot?
operation underground has so many good spots to hide for an MMGer ❤
alot of nice spots for mines too
I fucked so many people off in this game
There's also cheese potential with the flooded tunnels , hoping in with a spawn beacon and no one can stop you from spawning there 😄
M1907 + bayonet + dynamite
I didn't know the tunnels drained too
Operation undeground is a GODSEND for farming Fortification assists for the gold toolbox dogtag
how do you even drain the tunnels, interact with the valves right?
or do they do it automatically
It's automatic
but flooding them means interacting?
I've seen them do it on themselves
like I built a bunch of sandbags on the rail tracks that are one of the brit team entrances to the metro
and it all of a sudden just started flooding the entire tracks, and nobody was interacting with anything because my entire team was pushing germans to C from B
it's actually really fucking bad for brits if that happens when you are fighting there since you can't crouch to use sandbag cover you can build, and your sprinting speed is reduced since it's knee-high water
anyways if there are any supports out there farming for that gold toolbox dogtag that requires you to do 300 fortification assists, U-bahn your way to go
just build every hmg emplacement that will benefit your team, and watch as your blueberry team mows the enemy down with them
well the map is literally asking for it
long corridors and whatnot
hell a simple MMG does the trick quite well
you add a front-shield to it, decrease shots to kill to 3 and plop it in a hallway, and you got yourself a good defense
until it gets piated
Also didn't realize that large sections of Town Hall's walls can be blown up
Town hall reminded me of Amiens
of that building on the last sector of breakthrough
You know, you're right
Except expanded
Also reminds me of that one building on Soissons
Soissons building is veeery similar to the Amiens one
Yeah they were basically the same building
Also can we talk about how good the music is on Underground
great, another hacker in another server
It is?
yes
It sounds new for some reason 
the end-of-round theme is 100% rotterdam
The opening music sounds different
idk, as far as I know music for maps is in "packs"
as in, there is no mixing and matching
for example Devastation and Narvik both have a unique music pack that is not present on other maps
(altho Narvik's is remixed in Lofoten Islands, but that's not the point)
while Rotterdam, Panzerstorm and now Ubahn all share the same music pack
Also, Hamada, Aerodrome and Al Sundan all have a unique music pack too
So goddamn burned out
The starting round theme is a sped up version of rotterdams/panzerstorms ending theme
I fucking LOVE the fact that there are sirens at the start
And the rockets coming in on conquest
I love how fitting Waterproof skins are in Underground
I just do night ops with a bit of chrome
You can see it on my m1907
But i like to keep the variety
And change it up between weapons. Make use of what i can...
I like the high ROF weapons in Underground
Still gotta get it
It's only 2:17 AM currently so I should be able to get it
Hopefully
tfw you keep getting flanked by the same guy who uses the MG42 like a fucking SMG
This map is fucking excellent for grinding assignments
@shy badger yes they are
have only met a handful
You have yet to meet a 64 player defending stack with MMGs then
Finally got the Madsen! 
It's almost 4AM so I might wait to try it out tomorrow.
So I decided to go ahead and try the Madsen out and holy fuck it's good
@stoic breach You were right, it is a delicious LMG
Oh yeah
Reccomendations for specs?
all right side
I have no idea how I want to spec this bad boy yet.
Aim already feels quick by default ngl
Australian Servers are few
im trying to get into medic whats your favorite gun?
suomi or thompson is the meta i believe
i like suomi so far got it specd out all right
the m28 is really good too
hmm okay thanks
but suomi and going full hipfire you cant really go wrong
so i think you got it down
just played defense, breakthrough on underground, lol just destroyed 3 squad that ran through the alley on the left side in the first sector
legit got 12 kills in 3 secs
Played some battlefield 1 last night and I wondered if it's common to see players riding on top of a land ship or Assault tank because there were two support class players on the roof top
Yeah happens a lot
@pastel grove Madsen can get a horizontal recoil spec
People absolutely loved those things
Until they get blown off the top by mortars or another tank
Riding on top of tanks in BF1 is fun
I agree Anime and the only way you can kill them from long-range is actually grabbing a mortar landship or truck against those. Between the Mortar trucks and the landship which one has the stronger mortar shells?
Mortar truck is just way more mobile I think
You set it up at some remote location and go on a 100 kill streak unlike the landship that goes around slowly and makes a ton of noise
Yeah honestly Mortar Truck camping is dog but you might as well do it
yesterday my ping was 80-88
today my ping is 140-130
anybody has this or know the reason ?
Might’ve queued you into a different region if you were using auto queue
Try to use advance search instead and select the server you want to join
sadly i did it's europe for me always
I read your name as "Lord of traps"
The fg42 skins...
I just want something thats dark and royal
For the fg
Is there a tank in BV1 where you can call in a bombardment?
BFV or BF1? Because if it's BF1 that's the St. Chamond
some sort of killcam would be nice in bfv
Technically I believe that could also be one of the mk.v/ landship variants, no?
We should get the M50 Riesing SMG for the marines
talking about all these changes that ll never happen is nice
game still ass with stuttering still
I love how i can go no stuttering to not being able to play in just 1 update 😄
i love this underground map!!!
me too 🙂
yeah it's great!!
There's an issue on PS4 where it cuts out my music on operation underground because a "Cutscene is playing"
So, I don't get to use my tunes on spotify because a "cutscene is playing"
REEEE
i gotta say the new music for this map is actually kinda sick
anyone noticed a bug with the mounted machineguns on operations? I used one for a few minutes, getting a bunch of frags, but then i kept getting mounted weapon assists for several minutes after
did you build it?
!?!?
it's been in the game
no wai
for a long time now
you pulling my leg boy?
u just never took the time to help your team 😳
cus ur bad 😩
@gray glade that's always been in the game but the mounted stuff is so useless 99% of the time that you'd never notice because no one ever got kills with jt
They are!
They're a lot better
The sandbags cover them nicely and they're not open enough to be targeted by every sniper within a hundred metres
yeah!
@gray glade 🌽
😄
Fuckin
Gottem
@solid hinge is your name a reference to the egyptian god or the villan in Stargate?
No
It's a referance to Apophis D'meatiernight The Meteor Knight.
That's his full name.
Oh
It takes getting used to
Found out you can easily run through the cars without being shot
Also, it's good for taking tags
The train cars
oohhh
hmm, in my games there's always this mg dude firing through the trains.. or it's me firing at people that walk through the trains ;D

Huh
🎄
Not yet man only 2 months to go
what connection issues?
i feel you should get cover smoke points when you smoke a guy and another medic swoops in and steals your revive 😦
Bayonet charging people is so satisfying
On metro especially
It actually makes a massive difference when you must rush to an area
if you haven't charged into complete chaos and end up bayonetting an mmger, you haven't truly lived :3
I bayonetted someone hiding in the entrance to the zone that get flooded
Ive also booby trapped numerous attackers
Operation Underground is a tag farm
On breakthrough. By the barracks by the very right. Place three dynamites on entrance out of bounds.. Fire at them like normal.. Then when you fail to kill them and they hide. Detonate dynamite. 
I even got an accidental double when i meant to kill one.
Bois bois bois
If you play bf4 and want the dev camo I just made a server
It lasts 1 day
So hop in quick
how does that work?
You know you've fucked off someone when they tbag you
lol
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Would getting killed by an m1907, a bayonet charge and constantly getting killed by dynamite annoy you people?
Camo
you get the white camo on that questline , don't you?
yes the DICE LA camo
did you try a sneaky backcap, bodie?
so yeah.. i was right
is different from the phantom one
You have to do the lantern "easter egg"
Um
It was on breakthrough
They kept on chokepointing
I kept on throwing dynamite
Defending too
okay, i'd teabag you too ;D
haha
dice got anti cheat
so many get ban last 3 month
now i can get back to the game
latter
wow they did somthing
no more fucking hacker
I can show you a back cap with an amusing ending if you'd like, Jer.
Nuke yourself
Tank stealing is such great fun
Have you ever stolen a tiger with HEAT rounds?
Panzer IV's and 38(t)'s dont deal with then too well. 
ya you play a tank and someone els take your tank what you going to play with then kill your self
Have an assault player on hand
People dont steal my tanks because im not garbage. I actually die with the tank.
only friend
realy
when you go fix it
they steal it
then you try to fix the ammo box
they steal it
Be more careful?
Epic steal time
gta in bfv ffs
Does the tanker class not come with explosives to take down tanks?
I only lost my tank once when i was repairing my churchill. It pissed me off. But i respawned in my own churchill and destroyed the stolen churchill.
Yeah we have mines
Ive seen people booby trap their own tanks cause they run out of ammo
Depends on the genre
I mean... You're always going to have idiots.
aim assist = not skilled
You can turn that off...
then turn it off
then you have skill
Skill is so important right
Probably will, locks me onto people that I wasn't even looking at
probs should have said that

Gets real annoying
skill is important, ik you think it doesnt exist from a convo a while ago
Commander axes.... He's not the best in combat but he's a great great team player.
Which makes you invisible to flirs
@prime pine feel free to show me that amusing backcap ^^
Skill is a buzzword
And aim assist meaning players have no skill is a really dumb take
I really dont care
You can have aim assist and still be dogshit anyways
You still need skill to get the cursor close enough to the player to kick the aim assist in.
I turn it on from time to time and i end up having even more fun
haha nice one bodie, did you blow up your own teammate? xD
Yeah
ahh xd
I dont mean to throw it around cause i dont want to annoy you but it was a good one, Raze.

you should have teabagged razen before you picked him up :3
Kek nah. Im not mean.
And the 20v20 conquest was actually fun
Yeah it was
you could create suicide bombers that way 😮
I cleared an obj in underground but i blew myself up in the process
Pretty funny
I want to live my 12 year old dream of using my friends as suicide bombers
you sounded like dark kid ;D
Well
You could say i was
I'm still doing what I was doing
I meant like
Cause i saw you type
And then stop typing
"im gonna stay outta this part of the convo"
@solid hinge it doesn't make you invisible to flirs btw ... it used to tho
I was typing and lost focus 👽
Heyy technically we can suicide bomb in this game
We just need to stick mines to kubelwagons
And drive them into tanks
that's my favourite activity on panzerstorm

Jihad jeep
I actually wanna play BFV again and melt with the Madsen
OH I WANT TO DO THAT. Mines on a fighter
And Breda
Whats this
Mines on a fighter?
Raze wants to play bf5
Those two guns are enough to keep me just interested enough to play
Yeah pilot
I'm not gonna play solo
Huh? Never thought about that
I'll only play if you and Cmdr Axes wanna play
the japanese developed the ohka. Bodie invented the spitfire mines edition ;D
On hamada slash al sundan you can stick mines onto a plane that is taking off
YEAHHH BOOIIII
@prime pine hmmmmm
"The fuck is this fighter doing"
do mines stick on the front though? dynamite + ap mine might work as well
Yes my sqaud and i did dynamite experiments on fighters
The only result was just flatspinning
You'll need to precisely get them on the nose for maximum damage output
Providing the mines will stick
One mine plus dynamite may have to be done just for damage output
what's flatspinning?
Im thinking of the impact
Imagine a fidget spinner, but a plane doing that.
Happened to me once somehow i didn't even know a plane in bf can do that
ahh
Oh right
Only for like 2 seconds
Timing with tnt will be extremely difficult
It is
Imma do that with my squad now
Just put a shiton of tnt and blow it up

Next to a bomber
Im trying to think what plane is best
Vb can soften them up and with timing the dynamite can go off
Right as you fly in to the tank you have to get your mate to detonate. Since the natural delay to process information will be a major factor in this
VB too
Well i mean... I thought you got the gist with the at mines mentioned
Which is viable
Can you try sticking the mines onto the plane
AT mines?
Yeah
They stick to kubelwagon so they might
Even though the answer may be obvious. Its still worth testing
True
Tanks will need to be softened if you're using tnt
Mines will only need three for heavy tanks. Safe putting them all on.
If you can test and share me the fruits of your labour i will be very happy
when you stick dynamite onto a kübelwagen
JIHAD JEEP
nah
it's more like
launching your teammate into the side of a hill
and watching them die
When you stick dynamite to a kettenkrad and you kamakazi tanks and it works
does it really
is there still ppl playing firestorm?
firestorm is dead af
God the Dutch version of the Madsen is short as fuck
😳
Which is ironic
well I'm sorry we can't all be your required height 😭
I’m sure the MAB is probably longer
we can't all be your height you know 😔


Im 6'2
Plus I really want skins for base weapons that aren’t the same bloody 8 guns
I want battered for everything in base game
Battered is just a less over the top captured
None are men of culture. Its not a jihad jeep.
Its called, Jeep Stuff
It’s not so much that
Ivory and cinder look good on some parts of the gun like the wood
It’s the fact that they only make skins for the same base game guns
Like the STG44 or the STEN or the KE7
Like damn I wish I could get ivory on everything
Im 5'8
Waterproof looks cool
With the heavy wraps
Napalm is ehh
Not really a fan of skins that are obviously someone took a spray bottle
on the m30 it's pretty cool
Napalm has a good colour scheme
I like the matchbox
My stg has the night owl handguard. The cloth goes really well with the red.
And a cinder stock
With the big white cloth
Ik what jeep stuff is
I used to use the stg with all captured besides the handguard which was also night owl
looked pretty cool ngl
I like how the map rotation is on conquest
Goes from a chain of large maps to a medium to small to a medium to large again
You get Narvik into Panzerstorm into Al Sundan into Hamada
And then Marita into OU into devastation into Fjell
I have fully gold stg
I wonder if Twisted steel really should be in the middle of the medium sized maps like Arras and Aerodrome
It's pretty big tho
Nice

wait why were we sharing our heights on this chat?
can love bloom on the Battlefield?
ok so general consensus-
we're all happy with Op Ug
nice
keep at it DICE
heres hoping Chapter 5 is good
one game of it was good
need to learn and adapt.
However
needs duos back... final 5 and 2 are teaming up 
i didn't break a controller 
my RSC is fully leveled up
level 10
I can no longer use my French gun on my French girl 
Duos will never get back because nobody plays them.
Don’t you just love the level 8’s in your squad who keep mashing the ‘request revive’ button when they die in the most dangerous spots
so someone figured out how to get out of the map
on metro
😔
And decided to show how instead of letting the developers know so now people can cheat
News flash
I died to water yesterday lmao
The tunnels filled up with water and i drowned
Don't get in the tunnels :)
I once nearly drowned
I got to about 40hp
And then somehow applied bandages to my water filled lungs
It sucks up the water in your lungs
The indoor outdoor contrast should be non existant
Thought I didnt have to update it
madsen is too powerful.. and accurate ;o
finished the head shot mastery in 3 magazines
Are there already ppl who use the fliegerfaust?
how would people already use it?
Thought I saw it already on Underground
Dice are officially baby einsteins
Strange
Never mind, was reading a week after this one
I thought that play 1 round of rush was for this week, and no rush servers were on
Dice are officially cool
god i hate cowardly teams
if your being camped in the spawn, smoke and push together
good players cant win against literal numbers
Yeah I don't understand why some players just refuse to even try
just sitting in spawn, using whatever class
I'm a flank addict
@prime pine tell the sun to not be so bright then

British ftw
I find it fun to spam explosives through a choke point 🤷
Conquest is fun af
Conquest is the best
they have to move into my lane of FIRE
Must flank
shit is boring af
i hate conquest on Metro, it takes forever
I hate camping
F... Fll...flank.
Im not a big fan of conquest in general, so conquest on underground is no different really
Flank...must flank
yeah if you get a good flank man its nice
Don't really get why they didn't put a conquest only rotation
people dont cover the sides in the new
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