battlefield-legacy-titles

[tribal cairn]

Theoretically speaking as an idea for the map

[solid hinge]

pretty sure it's also a reimagining of the original map

[tribal cairn]

If it's a bit like carrier Assault on Iwo Jima for the most part with a large bit of Infantry combat,

[steel agate]

Maybe DICE already made that map you're thinking of

[tribal cairn]

Usable cannons for against ships,

[steel agate]

We have 4 maps incoming for the Pacific

[tribal cairn]

The tunnels for quick access to the front lines,

[steel agate]

Yeah tunnels and caves

[solid hinge]

I just want those large oceans for mini-scaled naval combat

[tribal cairn]

And of course Flamethrowers

[solid hinge]

maybe with BF1 style destroyers

no behemoths though

[tribal cairn]

Can't have the Pacific without flamethrowers

[steel agate]

Flamethrower gadget, or flamethrower elite unit?

[solid hinge]

nah like

flamethrower squad call in maybe

maybe like how you have squad call in vehicles

[steel agate]

yeah elite squad req point

[solid hinge]

you can have a call in class where you redepoly

[steel agate]

That's what I was thinking

[tribal cairn]

Could be interesting

[steel agate]

Yeah I suggested that to DICE

[tribal cairn]

I was thinking a combat role originally

The Flametrooper for support or so,

Their only weapons being a pistol of their choice and the flamethrower

[steel agate]

Flamethrower has attrition then?

X seconds of continued use

Then refill gas at station

[tribal cairn]

Yes, Essentially there is no way to get additional ammo for it except for at vehicle supplies

It's main purpose is for medium-ish range of clearing objectives

But has very little long range potential

[steel agate]

Longer range flamethrower than BF1 right?

[tribal cairn]

Of course

The range would probably extend maybe 25-30 meters at most

[solid hinge]

BF1 flamethrower sucked when you were walking through an open field

like sinai

[solid hinge]

but then again I guess the original goal was to make it so you could just clear the points / fend off

[tribal cairn]

I'm sure Dice would nerf the range

[steel agate]

American flamethrower looks wider, German looks very narrow and targeted

[tribal cairn]

Since they could reach upwards to 50 meters in range

[solid hinge]

It would probably be 12 meters

[steel agate]

Dude those flamethrowers look super OP

What would be the squad XP cost?

Less than the Sturmtiger and croc, right?

[tribal cairn]

Well, it's not a super-soldier, you can still riddle them with bullets

But I'd say about 13k?

[steel agate]

Maybe 15K at least

17.75 K for artillery strike, 20K for croc/sturmtiger

[coarse thunder]

I mean if you make it have that range lol

[tribal cairn]

Again, it would be nerfed

[coarse thunder]

They'd probably shorten it

[tribal cairn]

I say a good range for it would be 15 meters as a nerfed state

[steel agate]

If you get shot in the tank pack, you explode right?

[tribal cairn]

With no chance of revive

And with the combat role idea, there is a catch

Even being a combat role, there can only be one per squad

[steel agate]

Nearby friendlies would catch fire from the tank exploding too

[coarse thunder]

Nah should just be normally dying but with no chance of revival

[tribal cairn]

Precisely

[steel agate]

Should it be one per squad or one per team?

[tribal cairn]

As a combat role the Flametrooper would both be detrimental to the enemy and his own team

[coarse thunder]

Dispel the long standing myth that fuel tanks explode when shot at with regular munitions

[steel agate]

Yeah they're tracer rounds being shot

[solid hinge]

I assume what they did for BF1 was a playtest for BFV's naval combat right?

I mean

[tribal cairn]

I'd say 3 per team at any given time

[solid hinge]

they had playable destroyers

so like

They would possibly bring that back for the pacific right?

[tribal cairn]

Imagine playable battleships

And not behemoths either

[coarse thunder]

I mean it's basically a given

[solid hinge]

ye not behemoths

[steel agate]

BF4 had Levolution, BF1 had elites and behemoths, BFV has...

attrition

[coarse thunder]

Fortifications and squad abilities

[steel agate]

I hope we get something like elite units at least

[tribal cairn]

Ehhh

[steel agate]

Yeah but I mean something big

Over the top

like previous titles

[solid hinge]

I would like something like maybe special classes you can get when capturing certain points

[coarse thunder]

The over the top shit was hated in both past games so

[steel agate]

I really like Levolution

[solid hinge]

I thought behemoths were fine

at least

the battleships

[tribal cairn]

Special classes when capturing certain points?

[steel agate]

It was fun playing as elites

[solid hinge]

Something like that yeah

[tribal cairn]

What would you mean specifically?

[solid hinge]

I guess

not for a WW2 themed battlefield but something more cold-war esque

maybe you capture a secret bunker on the map

[coarse thunder]

I like the idea of special weapon call ins but no dedicated class with bullshit bullet armor

[solid hinge]

and you get a special chemical weapons class

[steel agate]

@tribal cairn You mean like you cap a point, and at that point you can spawn in as a unit, sort of like how at Hamada objective G you cap it and you can spawn in with an extra plane?

[solid hinge]

in the case of WW2 it would be a flamethrower class

or something special like an officer class

it sounds like elites tbh

[tribal cairn]

Could be like that, perhaps.

[coarse thunder]

As long as they don't have bullshit bulletproof armor

And in the case of sentries, literally unkillable with melee swings unless executed

[tribal cairn]

I still say that Flametroopers being a limited combat role, with 3 per team at any given time, and serve as a detriment to their team by not being able to be revived, and, even despite it being a myth, exploding upon impact with the fuel tanks, maiming and killing anyone around them

[steel agate]

I like the simple version of squad req point call ins for elite units, costs about 15K or so, and only 2-3 elite units per side at any one time regardless of what kind of elite unit you have (e.g. Mad Jack, flamethrower, super tank hunter, etc. - 3 total; or only 1 of each elite type)

[solid hinge]

maybe if they're doing the cold war games

see I can see the capturable special classes concept doable for a more futuristic game like 2142 or a more sci-fi cold war game

[tribal cairn]

Oh God, mad jack?

[solid hinge]

I can think of 10 classes

[tribal cairn]

That's gonna be interesting

A guy with a longbow just killed a entire squad

[coarse thunder]

Simple history weehee

[solid hinge]

wait fuck I have an idea

they're more specialized classes like anti-tank

[steel agate]

Yeah with Mad Jack, bagpipes play upon his entry, he has added speed and agility, has a Scottish Claymore sword, longbow and faster healing/recovery

[solid hinge]

infiltrator, spec ops, officer

and maybe when you capture certain points you can get those classes

but only in limited numbers depending on their rarity

[tribal cairn]

This is gonna turn into battlefront one of these days

Judging by these ideas

[solid hinge]

well you gotta balance it

and not make them like superpowers

i.e, an officer class would just be able to request drops

[steel agate]

Well Mad Jack has a bow and no other gadgets. Just a sword and handgun, so there's a tradeoff

[solid hinge]

a spec ops is just a suppressed SMG class which can sabotage enemy shit

flamethrower just has a flamethrower

infiltrator is the BF1 thingy I guess

[steel agate]

Flamethrower would need nerfed speed though, right?

[solid hinge]

yeah

[tribal cairn]

You'd need to be at a crawling pace while using it

[coarse thunder]

No bf5 flames are pretty ass when compared to bf1 flames

[solid hinge]

really?

[coarse thunder]

Oh yeah

[solid hinge]

BF5 flames look so much better imo

they actually stay on surfaces, for one

[coarse thunder]

You'd get at least 40-50 dmg if someone threw an incendiary at your feet even when crawling to put the fire out

Not to mention the area of effect for the incendiary nade didn't correlate with the visual effect

Like you were basically dead if at half health or less and someone spammed incendiaries at you

[tribal cairn]

You know what would be an interesting gadget? A sort of thermite charge

You have to get extremely close to a vehicle or a wall, touching distance basically,

And you do a 1-2 second animation

After animation is complete, and the vehicle was stationary allowing it to happen,

You can then detonate it for a very large explosive blast, granting a large degree of structural damage and very high vehicle damage

[midnight nimbus]

@solid hinge that's BF4 class design

allowing you to spec out classes to form more specialized subclasses

spec ops = suppressed carbine, stealth perks, TUGS/pokeballs, C4/spawn beacon

AT class = take AT perks, SRAW or Javelin

no need for class limits

players begin to intuitively figure out when a role is oversaturated on their team is teamplay is done right, and you have sufficient info and feedback

[solid hinge]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

4 classes is perfectly fine

personally i'd like to even see 3

[solid hinge]

I think 5 might be a good sweetspot but idk

since the original roster was 6

[midnight nimbus]

well

support and recon are relatively niche as is

[steel agate]

5th class would be elite/special forces (SAS!)

[midnight nimbus]

you ideally want most of your team to play medic and assault/engineer already

you don't need a ton of supports and recons to cover everyone

BF4 recon covered the specops role

[solid hinge]

gg

yeah bf4 recon allowed you to carry a good CQC rifle

[compact oxide]

@midnight nimbus I love how you and an Aussie guy with lots of ideas have literally the opposite ideas of how to make the game better

[solid hinge]

isn't that also me

[compact oxide]

He wants more classes and no sweet spot

[solid hinge]

...I'm completely at odds most of the time

[midnight nimbus]

I mean basically return to BF3/4 formula that made the franchise explode into what it is

not the formula that made BF a niche franchise

roles more about specialization than restriction are way better for teamwork

[solid hinge]

I think it can go both ways

[midnight nimbus]

when everyone can contribute to every task, just to differing degrees and in different ways

I think the overly restrictive model makes no sense

1. in a large format where communication is difficult
2. in a AAA game with a diverse playerbase

sure it may work in your squad community or whatever

but squad doesn't fall under #2

[solid hinge]

squad doesn't fall under 1 either

actually squad wasn't really what I had in mind

I was thinking of rising storm 2

[midnight nimbus]

even there

assumption #2 doesn't prevail

[stoic breach]

Whos the aussie guy

[solid hinge]

I think me

i'm not an aussie

[stoic breach]

[solid hinge]

I mean I argue with him alot

[compact oxide]

Not unless your name is LifeBD

[solid hinge]

also have the complete polar opposite ideals

oh

[stoic breach]

LifeBD

[solid hinge]

lifebandit666?

[midnight nimbus]

idk what's his discord name

[solid hinge]

there's noone here named lifebd

[compact oxide]

Nope

Don't think he's here

[midnight nimbus]

I just see him downvoted to fuck on my threads for boomerism

[solid hinge]

Boomer

[compact oxide]

Pretty much 😛

[stoic breach]

Boomerfield

[solid hinge]

I dont really come from boomerfield

[coarse thunder]

Can someone dm me a link to one of his posts

[solid hinge]

I come from planetside 2 which has the same 7 player class system

or something like that

and when I tried battlefield I was expecting the same thing...

[midnight nimbus]

best teamwork is unintentional teamwork

[solid hinge]

I got shittier tank battles

but nowadays I like the franchise I guess

bf1 is pretty cool

[compact oxide]

I came in at BF4

[midnight nimbus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/d5a8h6/battlefield_v_a_weapon_balance_concept/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
idk lifebd is down here somewhere

[compact oxide]

Really late so I sucked but I loved it a lot

[solid hinge]

Bf4 here

Yeah I also sucked at BF4

it's ok

I mean

[golden lake]

Is DICE deliberately trying to kill their games with shitty servers AND cheaters who headshot through the walls?

[solid hinge]

when I first played it last year I hated it because I kept dying

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 is fairly balanced at the high level

[solid hinge]

but then I realized to soak it up a ltitle and now it's fine

but it's dead these days

[midnight nimbus]

like good MAA player vs good pilot

etc.

[compact oxide]

The only thing I could do is be a heal bitch in BF4 but I was very good at that

[midnight nimbus]

but it certainly has its issues at the pub level

bc people don't know what roles to take

[solid hinge]

here's your medkit go get it

[midnight nimbus]

bc they're too conditioned to thinking that teamplay begins and ends at pouch throwing

[solid hinge]

here's your medkit go get it

[compact oxide]

Pretty much

[solid hinge]

was that the only line he had

S A N I T A T E R

[compact oxide]

Get the perk for two crates at once and cover a couple of choke points

[solid hinge]

how many other medkit lines were there

I remember more

it was just that one I think

Heres your meds

[midnight nimbus]

when there were far greater depths of degeneracy to be tapped into

[solid hinge]

ahhh yeah

@midnight nimbus is roze in that convo

[midnight nimbus]

somewhere prolly

we gild each other on random shit for shits and gigs

[solid hinge]

I remember he gave me a long paragraph rant on why my ideas were shit / his ideals

fun times

[midnight nimbus]

well

the ideals of BF3/4 stand up to a lot

[stoic breach]

That was interesting

[compact oxide]

Wut

[midnight nimbus]

people I talk to have plenty of things shit on BF3 and 4 for

but the fundamentals are good

[solid hinge]

Why no fov on console

pretty sure i just want this game to be planetside 2 without the grinding and with runways

that's my life goal

which will never happen but hey I'm a cs major and I know how to program

so if I cant get bf to be it then I can make my own game I guess

[stoic breach]

Just make planetside 2 again

[solid hinge]

exactly

[stoic breach]

Australian server is dead

[solid hinge]

there's one server still up

pretty sure emerald is up

[stoic breach]

Yeah but thats like 200-300 ping

[solid hinge]

and it's always 400 - 1000 players

I mean i'm on the east coast so

[stoic breach]

I'm on the south coast of the south land

[midnight nimbus]

imo, PS2 still has a ton of class redundancy

[solid hinge]

I remember years back you'd have 60+ players in tanks and we'd all go 73 easting on the enemy

but it would be a slow grind but it was still very fun

I wouldn't really say class redundancy but weapon choices are pretty slim

I mean, it's virtually the same weapon set with the exception of the infiltrator and some light assault stuff

[stoic breach]

That reminds me of how theres only 4 weapons per class in Battlefront 2

[compact oxide]

@stoic breach south Australia? Oof

[stoic breach]

Which wouldnt be a problem if the weapons were good

Wait a fck

[midnight nimbus]

heavy assault is silly imo

[stoic breach]

No im in vic

Bodie is in SA

[compact oxide]

Oh darn

[solid hinge]

Yeah heavy assault I don't really get the point of

[stoic breach]

Darne

[solid hinge]

it's not really an LMG class?

[compact oxide]

WA for me

[stoic breach]

Nice

The armpit

[solid hinge]

it's like a heavy assault rifle class or something but there's the anti-tank part of it

[stoic breach]

[compact oxide]

Not really

[midnight nimbus]

BF four class system with minimal changes would be nice

well return to modern era helps

[compact oxide]

I mean, I'm moving to an awesome little town in a couple week which is much better

[stoic breach]

That's pretty good

[midnight nimbus]

bc you can really reinforce specialization > restriction

[solid hinge]

I do like the TR and NC vehicle / weapon designs though

feel brutalist

TRs are virtually just space soviets since they're t-72s

[stoic breach]

I don't think I would jump into a new modern BF game so quickly, I do like the WW1 and WW2 settings

[solid hinge]

NC's are like american rednecks

[stoic breach]

But it would probably be better

[solid hinge]

Vanu's are just really gay spandex lovers

i'm being serious there are like a bunch of probably gay vanu outfits

[stoic breach]

Bruh

[solid hinge]

but that's not why they're bad

they just zerg all the time

[midnight nimbus]

yeah in modern BF, the proliferation of heavier vehicles gets a little oppressive

[compact oxide]

I'd prefer a modern game next, as they need something that's easy to succeed in

[midnight nimbus]

i'd like to see mechanized infantry aka tons of light vehicles

[solid hinge]

I would like more of that

[tough lake]

i have a question , i play bfv on ultra vsync it doesnt drop to anything less than 60fps , i have a gtx 1660 and ryzen 5 1600 , but when i am ingame task manger reads that the gpu utilization is about 20% , is that normal?

[midnight nimbus]

BFV halftrack, but not shit

more like a better BF4 MRAP

humvees with TOWs

armored cars with 30mm autocannons

[solid hinge]

I don't really see humvees or APCs used alot in BF4

or BF3

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 MRAP, but with driver controlled MG

[solid hinge]

they're just one manned

[midnight nimbus]

because they suck

no one wants to play taxi

[compact oxide]

@tough lake you're playing on vsync so it's limiting what your PC can do

[solid hinge]

and when you do want to play taxi nobody hops on

[midnight nimbus]

driver needs agency over the primary weapons systems

to play taxi effectively, you need to defend yourself

can't do that with no weapons

[tough lake]

@compact oxide but 20% of my gpu is just too low for ultra 60fps , isnt it?

[solid hinge]

please obey the rules

[midnight nimbus]

change transport heli into more of a "support heli"

let the pilot control weapons

tons of cool lighter vehicles so that the relatively rare tank or attack heli feels influential

[tough lake]

did i disobey the rules?

[compact oxide]

@tough lake it should be fine

Also no, another dude

[tough lake]

ok thanks

[versed frost]

Do some one here have a add friend problem on Origin?

So lag

[fresh kindle]

Lol, my most used gun is the sten? Lmfao. Outdated info 7MD because I never use the sten.

OK fanboi

[solid hinge]

Sten

Not stein

[fresh kindle]

My point proven, I don't use the pos to even care how it's actually spelled. Stein sten. Who actually cares? the kid above me actually

[solid hinge]

How do you not know the fucking sten

[stoic breach]

Yeah Sten is the worst smg in the game

So yea

[solid hinge]

STEN is fine tbh

[stoic breach]

But the MAB exists

[solid hinge]

the suomi isn't so good

How is it the worst smg

I wish a drum mag existed for it tho

[stoic breach]

It doesnt have the rate of fire or damage

The best way to use it is against people who arent looking at you

[solid hinge]

Actually

It has a lot of range

And can kill upclose just fine

[stoic breach]

The MAB does range and CQB better than the Sten does

[fresh kindle]

Stens shit.

[solid hinge]

Mab doesnt have as much range

[stoic breach]

It has better velocity I'm pretty sure

[fresh kindle]

Suomi > sten

[solid hinge]

If its shit, how comes i get like 45 kills 10 deaths with it

[fresh kindle]

Because you play bots

[stoic breach]

Because you can still be good with a shit weapon?

Its like how Stodeh uses bolt actions

[solid hinge]

Suomi is ass

[stoic breach]

They're useless weapons but hes good with them

[solid hinge]

It can hit anything beyond 20 meters lmao

[fresh kindle]

You're ass if you're 45 and 10

[solid hinge]

What?

[coarse thunder]

Bruh that's a 4.5 kd

[fresh kindle]

53 7

[coarse thunder]

Average people barely break like 1.7

[solid hinge]

Whats your kd?

FoxHound

[fresh kindle]

25 n 0

36 n 7

[solid hinge]

Whats your overall kd

[stoic breach]

Also yeah the Suomi is generally better

[solid hinge]

Suomi has no range lmao

Sten can snipe

[stoic breach]

Who cares

[fresh kindle]

You have a pc, I'm in phone . Do your research.

[solid hinge]

What?

[coarse thunder]

Suomi is good for close-medium range magdumping

[solid hinge]

Medium?

[stoic breach]

Suomi out DPS Sten at CQB, and anything past 20m is time wasting for an smg generally

[solid hinge]

Sten can snipe up to 100m

[stoic breach]

If the SMGs had better ranged damage and the Sten had no hrec that would make it better

Lol

100m is Boys AT distance

Thats a bit far

[tough lake]

Bruh my kd is 0.5

[solid hinge]

Well sten can kill at that range

[stoic breach]

Sten maybe has good enough control to get to about 30m, but at that point the speed and damage is miserable

[naive parcel]

What is the best ? Boys AT or Panzerbüsh ?

[solid hinge]

I get like 10 100m kills per match lmao

[tough lake]

Panzerbush

[fresh kindle]

^^^ lmfao

[solid hinge]

Its a lazer beam

[naive parcel]

Ok

[stoic breach]

Boys AT is probably generally better

Cause it fires faster

[fresh kindle]

No argument there

[stoic breach]

Panzerbruh doesnt really do enough tank damage either for being a weapon that's supposedly better against tanks

[coarse thunder]

Panzerbitch ain't reallt my weapon type, along with the girls at

[tough lake]

I like your name

[coarse thunder]

Just helping to spread the word

[tough lake]

I am spreading the ultimate word

[solid hinge]

I am

Officially a god

[coarse thunder]

At least until the micros come in hot

[solid hinge]

I got the Vietnam dog tag in BF3

😎

Finally got all my stuff potted over

[stoic breach]

Yeah no minimap and microtransactions make me weary about MW2019

[solid hinge]

^

It looks great though

[fresh kindle]

I've played the beta. It was worth my pre order.

[coarse thunder]

Don't worry they'll have both in 3 months minimum

[fresh kindle]

Lol true that.

[stoic breach]

I'd probably wait for a heavy discount before I buy it

[fresh kindle]

What's your take on the breda. M1935 PG

[stoic breach]

One of the two good ARs for assault

Breda and M1907

[compact oxide]

I'll need to play the MW beta before I even consider buying. Not going to preorder after doing that for bfv though

[versed notch]

No STG

[fresh kindle]

I need to work it more for my unlocks but recoil buffer and an increase in bolt cycle would make it OP

[compact oxide]

Stg is eh

Too slow ttk

[stoic breach]

Bren for support does the StG44's job better

Plus infinite ammo and magdump

[fresh kindle]

So upon further research, if the specs for the breda had the ported barrel and trigger job make it OP

[versed notch]

STG44 is versatile though

Slap a 3x, put on Hipfire attachment

[fresh kindle]

^

[compact oxide]

It's versatile but still eh

I used it for a while but it really didn't work for me unless I went only for headshots

[versed notch]

Well, that's what I do

Hot tip, if an enemy is like 70+m away, crouch before spraying

Increased accuracy + lower recoil

Especially useful with a 3x

[fresh kindle]

@versed notch do you have custom stock or recoil buffer? 🤔

[versed notch]

Or just burst+tap fire

I use recoil buffer

[fresh kindle]

[versed notch]

Stg44 is already very accurate

No need to increase it further

Unless you're planning to snipe 200m away

[fresh kindle]

So down the specs like i have quick aim, enhanced grips, lightened stock, recoil buffer.

[stoic breach]

Right side of Breda gives it so much range

Its the horizontal recoil that fucks it

[fresh kindle]

I agree.

Burst cycle and horizontal recoil buffer would be great.

[versed notch]

Havent tried the Breda yet, maybe if I have it installed it would help

[tribal wave]

You have to unlock the Breda

by completing the weekly tides of war challenges

[compact oxide]

Or by waiting a week and buying it for chump change cc

[pastel grove]

I want that glove gun in Inglorious Basterds

The 1-shot glove gun that Donnie and Omar use to kill some guards

[little raptor]

aye question

whats the longest range boltaction rifle for Recon

that isnt an AT?

[compact oxide]

Kar98 probs

Although if you want to put all your eggs in the headshot basket the krag is good fun

[versed notch]

Krag has the highest muzzle velocity yeah

Esp when you get low drag

Kar98 has a similar muzzle velocity but higher damage

But it doesnt really matter if you get a headshot anyway

[tribal wave]

does anybody here use the m1907 as main?

M1907 sf

[compact oxide]

Most assault users probs

[tribal wave]

its really fast

what do you u guys use for support

[fathom pebble]

Yo its jesus

[little raptor]

for support i actually like the MMG that has 250 bullets

that ISNT the m43

i think the Bren gun...?

its firerate and TTK is lower than the M43, but that means you retain your bullets longer

[solid hinge]

@ancient raptor careful with your posts

[little raptor]

meaning its better for suppression imo

what'd they do, post pron?

[solid hinge]

nevermind

[ancient raptor]

What?

What happened?

[little raptor]

i think it was a mistake :P

[ancient raptor]

I’m trying to post a long message of GeForce for students.

[little raptor]

either they read wrong or they @tranquil roostd the wrong person lol

oh

nvm then

[compact oxide]

Yeah please don't post a long message of GeForce for students

[ancient raptor]

It’s battlefield related but I don’t know why I was warned since it was never posted.

[solid hinge]

yeah our bot caught it for several things, I know it wasn't malicious so its cool, also lets keep things on topic here

[ancient raptor]

Oh okay

Gotcha thanks!

What about general chat?

[solid hinge]

please dont post walls of copy pasta, rather use a link to a screen shot on imgur

in general yes

[compact oxide]

Or just send the link to the page itself

[ancient raptor]

Oh okay!

Also I’m not promoting spam, but just looking out for fellow battlefielders who want to be part of a program that benefits both gaming and collegiate work. And battlefield is featured on NVIDIA, so I want to give battlefield a chance with this news.

[compact oxide]

That's fair, a little more of a #general topic overall though

[pastel grove]

If only Battlefield was featured by the people developing Battlefield

[echo glen]

[solid hinge]

I sold my soul to EA

[echo glen]

Alright

[compact oxide]

Okay

[solid hinge]

I bought the italian skin

It looks pretty good

[coral fiber]

God i just did something shameful
I took out a guy's pilot with my rockets whilst turning
I feel sorry for him

[compact oxide]

I sold my soul to the devil, and he taught me how to play guitar real good

[solid hinge]

I sold my soul to ea, and he taught me how to live without food for 4 days

[echo glen]

I live on shitty games and microtransactions alone

[versed notch]

So gacha games

[thorn ice]

@steel agate boi can't soulve EEs here head back to #misc-puzzles

[solid hinge]

Yah boy

Super happy

Right now 😎

Yeet

[bright spoke]

When does Chapter 5 start today?

Will there be an update?

[prime pine]

BIG BOMB

[solid hinge]

Soon

Aim 3-5 MMt

[bright spoke]

So in lamens terms, nobody knows pretty much?

[solid hinge]

Is chapter five starting today? I thought it was gonna be around October

I just posted the link to the latest TWIBF

there is no official news yet on what is next

no updates this week

[bright spoke]

yikes

[fast gyro]

[solid hinge]

I’m just happy I got my old dog tags in BF3

😎

We should get a role to say how much of a veteran we are

[shadow widget]

How come in BF4 i play on high ping servers cuz my region dead and it says 61/64 players and legit I'm placed with 4 players on my team and 4 on the other?

Like wtf.

[solid hinge]

HEY FELLOW BATTLEFIELDERS

[round turret]

when does defying the odds end?

[steel agate]

the current chapter ends tomorrow

The next chapter begins soon.

There's an intermission after this current chapter 4.

[round turret]

sorry i should clarify

WHEN exactly does it tmrw?

i'm trying to figure out if i have time to play it still tmrw

or just spend the BFC

[steel agate]

Oh I believe it's early morning CST. I want to say sometime between 3 am and 6 am CST.

Usually when there are updates it's 3 AM CST

[round turret]

oh noooooooo

[steel agate]

Armory updates 7 AM CST on Tuesdays, and I remember the Thursday ToW weeks update earlier in the day than that

[round turret]

so as in a few hours?

or in about 20 something hours

[steel agate]

Yeah in about 24 hours maybe less

[round turret]

ahhhhh ok tyvm

[steel agate]

np

[round turret]

and i know you're not the real sterling archer

but i am all nonetheless charmed that mr. archer replied to me ❤

[steel agate]

Or am I? Dun Dun DUN!

https://media3.giphy.com/media/XhcSIUIkgbmuY/giphy.gif

[pearl dirge]

We need to remove the [Join Server] button, from BATTLELOG as soon as possible, Because this is the cause of the two server attacks.

[shadow widget]

Good god.

What the hell

[pastel grove]

@round turret Defying the Odds should end in 23 hours and 45 minutes

[solid hinge]

How do you unlock the 44 scope in BF4?

It says its a veteran item but I've heard multiple stories over on battlelog

Main one is usually "play bf3 or older and have a save file on your Xbox from said game"

[brisk field]

the battered skin for the breda looks like it had it's receiver explode

oh wait i think it is

[hot drum]

Why thus game wants me to play hamada

?

[rugged cairn]

are AA guns still underpowered compared to bombers

[stoic breach]

Yes

[rugged cairn]

rip

I had one bomber dive right at me from far away, with zero evasive action

fired at him and landed every single shot with the AA gun

does like 60-70% dmg over the entire time he's diving, he still perfectly lands a bomb hit

why even bother with AA

[hot drum]

@rugged cairn agree

[steel agate]

It's even annoying against fighters

You will need help or you will lose against fighters, especially if they have a bomb too

[hot drum]

Uuh anyone have a good guide for bfv snipin?

[rugged cairn]

personally I felt AA had just the right balance in bf1

even LMGs were useful AA weapons, unlike bfv

[prime pine]

Someone was named scrotomsaurus in my game.

I cant stop laughing

[solid hinge]

That's a good name

[plush flume]

Scrotomsaurus for some reason sounds like a start to a ligma type joke

[hot drum]

There was someone named KaptainKamakazi

[weak marsh]

I want Op. Underground right now

[glad knot]

I have a problem.

I stuck in console mode and unable to get it off what do i do?

[steel agate]

Press the ~ key again

[glad knot]

I did but it does not work

[steel agate]

That's odd, I'd CTRL-ALT-DEL and close out of BFV then

See if it happens again

[glad knot]

It's suddenly gone after i just restart the game 3 time?..

[steel agate]

Well if you close out of the game it shouldn't appear.

[glad knot]

Thank you.

[steel agate]

But test it again and see if you can close out of the console screen after you open it.

[glad knot]

Sure thing.

[steel agate]

If it doesn't happen again, then it may have been a weird fluke or maybe the game froze.

If it does happen again, then you need to address it because the console key gets hit too often to ignore it.

[shut dirge]

Finally getting around to playing the story missions. First two down. Pretty happy with how these have turned out.

[upbeat cypress]

Whats next after chapter 4 end?

[tribal cairn]

Probably some Pacific stuff

[upbeat cypress]

really?

[tribal cairn]

Yeah, not maps but weapons at least

[glad knot]

My defeat rating just got Minus

defend*

How is that possible

[tribal cairn]

No idea

[glad knot]

how long does it usually take for the report to get to the moderator?

[hot drum]

Shouldn churchill MK VI penetrate tiger 1?

[formal valve]

*MK VII

[lunar pine]

hi

[solid hinge]

All the tanks penetrate

[prime pine]

Got to rank 93

[gray glade]

so you got like 4 ranks since yesterday?

[hazy wasp]

finisdhed Tides of War last night too

now to take like a 2-3 day break from battlefield..fuck

[sonic rampart]

Lol

I hope they release a new update soon

[prime pine]

I got rank 90 yesterday

Rank 93 today

[tough lake]

I am like rank 20 lmao

Is there any surpressed sniper rifles in multiplayer?

I could find them in offline story mode

[ancient ocean]

I'm an oppressed sniper.

[tough lake]

Bruhh

[prime pine]

No silenced sniper

[tough lake]

Why

They added it in story mode but not in multiplayer wtf

[ancient ocean]

Because your like sorta supposed to be able to stealth story mode.

[tough lake]

But why didnt they add it into multiplayer?

[echo turtle]

We have flare guns

Spotting scopes

People with the ability to give their team a rough idea of your position

[unique aspen]

@ancient ocean way

[ancient ocean]

I don't think there was any surpressed rifles in ww2

[echo turtle]

If there are any of these people on the opposite team which is extremely possible your suppressed rifle won't help you

[ancient ocean]

Ultra way @unique aspen

[tough lake]

Makes sense

[unique aspen]

O oops

I forgot

That word is banned

Lemme just fix it

There we go

[echo turtle]

Use the Delisle carbine in the medic class

[tough lake]

I like how the characters ingame say "shit" while dying but u get censored from typing it in chat

[ancient ocean]

Kinda the same with this discord.

[prime pine]

Yo raze you there?

[royal gull]

Does the detachable magazine for the Turner make it reload like it has a magazine?

I'm trying to use it with RLLL and I just don't like the way it reloads.

[echo turtle]

Yeah

The 20 mag has you load single rounds or use stripper clips

[upbeat cypress]

Wait so after chapter 4 is chapter 5 right?

[echo turtle]

We're getting 4.5 first

[thin bear]

wut

[feral grotto]

@royal gull if you stay on the lane with the 10/11 bullets it will reload like it has a mag ,yeah.
which is the way i go with it

[drowsy cedar]

what’s chapter 4.5 mean 🤔

[solid hinge]

@drowsy cedar the weeks between chapter 4 and 5. It’s where we get operation underground

[echo turtle]

And moar guns

[drowsy cedar]

oh sick

i want some pacific guns early

[royal gull]

Do we know if Metro is 64 player Conquest,

[echo turtle]

Think it will support most game modes

[royal gull]

Good, don't want it to be like those two other maps I'll never play because they aren't 64 player conquest

[drowsy cedar]

does anyone know how much exp it is from class rank 19 to 20

[formal valve]

Shut your mouth, Lofoten and Provence are good

I hated the idea of them

But I’m defending them now

[solid hinge]

They are not fun for me

Kay

Detachable mag Turner is a worse version of detachable mag MAS

[echo turtle]

Mas master race

[solid hinge]

Tommygun master race

[royal gull]

I'll try the MAS today but I'm just not feeling any of the semis

Though I will force myself to master the M1 Garand

[echo turtle]

There's a set that was up for 45cc before the update

[royal gull]

DICE better not make it weak

[drowsy cedar]

semi auto rifles are underrated tbh

[formal valve]

I’m not excited for the Garand anymore

[hybrid dock]

smh hmu when svt is added

[royal gull]

I like them for medium range but I tend to be aggressive and Rush objectives with Assault so I find the autos more attractive

[drowsy cedar]

i mean if you’re rushing at close range why not go medic

[echo turtle]

Shotguns

[royal gull]

Taking down fortifications

[echo turtle]

People hiding in the smallest corners of an objective

[royal gull]

I have been seeing a lot of them recently, basically maxed out

[solid hinge]

I won’t make it to chapter level 40. Aww man

[royal gull]

But the M1 Garand. Hope it's a two shot kill for center chest and head and 3 shot for everywhere else at minimum

Considering its max clip size is 8

IIRC

[solid hinge]

It might be 360rpm with the g43 damage model

[royal gull]

What is that model again?

[elder patio]

so the 4.6 update is coming next week right guys ?

[echo turtle]

Depends on how polished it is

[prime pine]

Got the 4000 kill mark for the Bren.

[solid hinge]

G43 has 300rpm but it's a 3btk maximum

Turner & MAS & g1-5 have 360rpm but can take more than 3 shots to kill

g1-5 is the best aggressive semi imo

4000 bren kills..

[royal gull]

Yeah I've been liking the G1-5 more than the Turner or G43 so far. Really haven't tried the M1A1 or the MAS yet

[elder patio]

M1A1 is broken

[solid hinge]

Main downside of the semis is the low mag size

[elder patio]

and the MAS is good tho

[prime pine]

Havent seen the m1a1 in ages

[solid hinge]

G1-5 makes that not a downside

g1-5 has one of the most efficient mag sizes in the entire game

[prime pine]

The g 1-5's weakness is its recoil. I mean you can manage it but yeah.

[solid hinge]

3btk 31 detachable mag

ten kills per mag!!

[prime pine]

Either stock or hipfire

I gotta try ads, hip fire and recoil buffer.

[solid hinge]

the lightened stock g1-5 strafing hurts my soul

[gray glade]

when will 1200 rpm (mg42) be a viable option again dice?

[solid hinge]

M1a1 is one of the weakest semis imo

[prime pine]

Its certainly more miche

Niche

[short pecan]

1200rpm is way overkill

[solid hinge]

which still makes it a really good gun

[prime pine]

I have not seen the turner in ages

Come to think of it

[short pecan]

turner is good just takes years to reload

[solid hinge]

80% of my deaths are either the stg44 or mp40 headshots

[royal gull]

I have been enjoying the Breda but it kicks like a fucking angry mule

[prime pine]

Ive gotten into the rythem of reloading it

The turner

[solid hinge]

I honestly really like the bigmag strip clip reloads

[prime pine]

But i would rather use g 1-5 anyday

[solid hinge]

That's a fun thing

but its outclassed by the g1-5

[prime pine]

I reckon. If they didnt nerf the turner it'd still be a great gun.

[solid hinge]

I wish breda had less kick but longer downtime between bursts

[prime pine]

Breda isnt bad once you get used to it. But it really suffers up close.

[solid hinge]

Make it super good at chunking

[royal gull]

Breda on semi auto is fine but not excellent

[solid hinge]

Semi breda isnt bad if you're beyond burst range

It's a worse m1a1 but that's like.. still good in terms of guns

[prime pine]

I think that even with the spec, the breda kicks too hard horizontally.

[royal gull]

None of the Assault weapons are awful

[solid hinge]

Yeah

[prime pine]

Its a gun that relies on accuracy and then they give it a shitton of horizontal recoil like.... Fuck off dice.

[solid hinge]

I still want hrec reduction on the other spec tree

[prime pine]

I went r r r l

[solid hinge]

lightened stock on a slow cycle burst is weird

[royal gull]

I've been gravitating to the STG44 but I want to change it up. Might go to the Sturmgewehr 1-5

[prime pine]

My mate when l l l r and he's loving it

[solid hinge]

I'm on RLLL for it

[prime pine]

Just want a damacitus Fg42. That skin is ROYAL

[solid hinge]

Imo the stg44 is the worst assault weapon

[royal gull]

But still need to give the MAS a fair shake

[prime pine]

Oh wait i meant r l l l

[royal gull]

Really? It seems very effective @solid hinge

[prime pine]

The stg 44 is cool but the cracks show

[solid hinge]

MAS isn't too different to the turner, basically more accurate in exchange for no bigmag spec

[coral fiber]

Bigmag

[fleet bloom]

Seblstander is probably worst assault weapon

[prime pine]

The recoil is so fucking intrusive cause they thought it was too good in the beta

[coral fiber]

No

[solid hinge]

Stg44 is a jack of all trades without like.. being good at everything like the g1-5

Selb 1916 can dump on people

[coral fiber]

^

[prime pine]

I would rather go breda or stg 1-5, maybe even m1907 SF.

[solid hinge]

3btk at any range with 26 detach mag

[coral fiber]

Still love that weapon from bf1

[fleet bloom]

257 fire rate

[solid hinge]

it's not the faaastest gun in the world..

but good God it chunks

[coral fiber]

But it does pack a punch

[prime pine]

It wouldnt be so bad if its scope wasnt dog shit

The scope is not good for semi auto

It makes the gun artificially more clunky

[solid hinge]

Its just the bren scope

[fleet bloom]

isn't it the same as the G43

[solid hinge]

You like that scope

[prime pine]

Yeah thats thw thing

[drowsy cedar]

lattice sight best sight

[prime pine]

On an automatic weapon it isnt even bad

[solid hinge]

German 3x scopes are different

The English ones have like.. the Chevron thing

[coral fiber]

Man i really said sorry to an enemy pilot cuz i shot his pilot whilst turning
Felt so bad

[solid hinge]

The german ones have a vertical line coming up from the bottom

[prime pine]

Yeah why the fuck did they give it an english scope not a german scope

[fleet bloom]

the english 3x are the worst

[prime pine]

Oh yeah pilot guy

[coral fiber]

With the ROCKETS

[prime pine]

I shot a bunch of fighters and bombers outta the sky with the 88'c's cannon today. : D

[coral fiber]

it was such a lucky shot

[solid hinge]

Yeah I dont like the English 3x at all

[stoic breach]

Holy shit

[solid hinge]

But for some reason it feels good on the selb

[prime pine]

Oh raze

[stoic breach]

Bdoee what you want

[royal gull]

I was planning to get all of the rifles to at least rank 5. So hopefully I find one I can stick with. Sometimes I feel restless about my weapon choice

[stoic breach]

[prime pine]

Uhhh

Hello

[stoic breach]

Hello

[prime pine]

I forgot how i was going to word it

[solid hinge]

Rank 5 on everything is good

[prime pine]

Im sorry i actually am

[stoic breach]

What

[solid hinge]

Gives you enough time to try the gun and then get used to a full spec tree

[prime pine]

Nnngh

Sorry i cant word it out!

[stoic breach]

Are you rank 90

[prime pine]

93

[royal gull]

I just hope to god that the Garand is good. I want to use it for the immersion factor

[prime pine]

But it was about the Dwe fuckheads

[delicate herald]

Same

[formal valve]

I don’t want it any more

It’s not a scout weapon reeee

[stoic breach]

Lol

[delicate herald]

Scout weapon will probably be the Springfield.

[prime pine]

One of the most toxic fuckheads in oceana is fucking greasy

[stoic breach]

Hahahaha

[prime pine]

Uhhhh i dont know how to word it to keep you interested fuck

[echo turtle]

Krag Jorgensen 2.0

[formal valve]

At least we get the M3 IR

So I can pubstomp the Garand users

[royal gull]

Do we know all of the weapons coming from datamining?

[solid hinge]

dont replace my krag..

my precious baby

[echo turtle]

We're getting the hbar

[formal valve]

@solid hinge it’s not called the Krag

It’s the Craig

[delicate herald]

KAR for me. Lol

[echo turtle]

The m1919a6

[solid hinge]

The CRAIG

[echo turtle]

John

[formal valve]

CRAIG JOHNSONSEN

[royal gull]

If they add the BAR will they make it an LMG or an Assault rifle?

[solid hinge]

Lmg

[formal valve]

LMG

[delicate herald]

Probably LMG

Lol

[coral fiber]

It has to be an lmg

[formal valve]

M1941 should be a assault rifle

[solid hinge]

craig johnsonsen

smg

[stoic breach]

Craig johnson hhh

[coral fiber]

Wth

Craig Johnson?

[formal valve]

It was a joke people

[prime pine]

I love shelling planes with my ju 88c

[formal valve]

I renamed the Krag to the Craig

[coral fiber]

Hate the 88c

[prime pine]

Im a little little asshole

[formal valve]

That’s how I like them @prime pine

[coral fiber]

Such a pain in the ass to lvl up

[prime pine]

I know your pain

[coral fiber]

I have up on it
Rather stick to the 88A

[prime pine]

I use the 88c more than the 88a

[formal valve]

M1941>M1 Garand

[prime pine]

And thats cause i hate the heavy bombers

[royal gull]

The BAR hasn't always been an LMG in games, some define it as an Assault Rifle. And regardless it kind of sits on the border.

[formal valve]

Cod WW2 did that

I can’t think of another one

[prime pine]

Maybe it could be a weapon for both assault and support???

I would love to see that

[formal valve]

It’s neither a LMG or AR

[coral fiber]

Bombers are kinda weak when it comes to defense

[formal valve]

It’s a Automatic Rifle

[gray glade]

Ah yes, the Daniel KRAIG

[prime pine]

A machine gun

[delicate herald]

Seems like the BAR would be similar to the FG42 tho which is a LMG

[formal valve]

@gray glade

[prime pine]

Ok in seriousness. Raze. If you're there.

[solid hinge]

ju-88 a
weak defence

[prime pine]

Cyanide and palombi were both in AA tanks

So there were two flakpanzers

[coral fiber]

Bombers in general have weak defense

[prime pine]

It was so fucking cheesy and hilarious

[royal gull]

That's funny COD WWII made the FG42 an Assault Rifle too

[prime pine]

So bagsta and i bullied valentines that roamed the ground

[delicate herald]

This is battlefield though...not cod

[royal gull]

Wow I didn't know

[stoic breach]

If anything, it's a battle rifle if not an LMG

[prime pine]

How dirty does two AA's in your same team sound

Raze

Ugh

[stoic breach]

What the hell

[coral fiber]

Mmm?

[prime pine]

Cyanide and just palombi were in their aa tanks

[coral fiber]

Oof

[prime pine]

So bagzsta and i were flying in our own planes luring fighters and shit to them

Then palombi died so cyanide grabbed a towable aa

[coral fiber]

Lmao i love how AA kids are being salty all the time

[prime pine]

We were just bullying the fuck out of them

The enemy team

[coral fiber]

That's what my squad does too

[delicate herald]

Nothing brings me more joy than blowing up AA tanks or sniping the people manning stationary AA guns.

[coral fiber]

Like all 4 of us got rockets and fucked the shit out of an AA tank one time

Dude had no chance

[prime pine]

Then on the same map but later on, One of the guys in the party was flying the bomber, cyanide was in a valentine AA so while i was doing my business and flying my mosquito, they were having their little bomber versus AA war.

It was hilarious to hear

[coral fiber]

[prime pine]

"Nah, You're done cyanide!"

And he didnt get cyanide once

[delicate herald]

F

[prime pine]

And then another guy in the party i accidentally fucking bombed so he spent the game just shooting at me in his tiger.

Then we got even.

So we left each other alone

First time i got killed my soul left my body cause it frightened the shit out of me. One second im flying and then the other i've been turned into a fucking fireball.

[royal gull]

I read somewhere that Battlefield 1943 was only released as sort of an engine test for the destruction used in BC2. Like they took the WW2 assets they made to the opening Aurora mission of BC2 and expanded it into a small game to test the engine under load before BC2 came out.

Does anyone know if this is true?

[coral fiber]

Yo I found that clip of the rocket shot i did

https://xboxclips.com/GETMEMEDONLOL/fc0849aa-13c9-4f94-aa97-ac20d99f297d/embed

[delicate herald]

Damn. Nice.

I’m a terrible pilot. 😂

[echo turtle]

How do you go up

[gray glade]

@coral fiber nice kill, i understand where u got your name now 😄

surprised you got first person on tho

[coral fiber]

Yeah I'm used to 1st person

[delicate herald]

I can barely fly in 3rd, I would never be able to do it in 1st.

[smoky horizon]

3rd for general then 1st for looking

Looping

[coral fiber]

I think I'll dogfight well in hardcore servers ngl

[smoky horizon]

And then back to rd

Lmao that's too easy @coral fiber

[hot drum]

@coral fiber yo how can i be like u mate fightin with a aircraft? Always when i picl the plane i instantly crash it

[gray glade]

@echo turtle you mean as a pilot?

[echo turtle]

Whenever I push a it goes down

[gray glade]

im not on console but there should be a setting for it

so its more "natural"

[coral fiber]

@hot drum practice i guess
Atleast that's what i did back in bf1

[gray glade]

i forget the name but, something like inverted controls or similar @echo turtle

[delicate herald]

Default for console is right stick for pulling up/down and left stick for rolling.

[coral fiber]

@smoky horizon it was extremely lucky ngl

[hot drum]

@coral fiber practice aka crash crash crash crash

[delicate herald]

I think

I actually can’t remember 100%

Lol

[coral fiber]

I use default controls so yeah

[smoky horizon]

https://youtu.be/Tv0lPdsy2bY

[coral fiber]

@hot drum maybe try flying in the practice range and get a feel for it

[smoky horizon]

Use that good friend of mine made that video clown

Quality pilot

Might help you out a bit

I prefer using tanks but his guide helped me for planed when I fly them

[delicate herald]

^ same. Tanks are fun. Lol

[smoky horizon]

But what annoys me is when people take heavy tanks

Such a pussy move

I use all 8 of my apc vs heavy still don't die

[coral fiber]

I tend to post my dogfighting clips on r/pilotsofbattlefield
Lowkey super friendly

[coarse thunder]

Not really a pussy but redundant

[smoky horizon]

2 shots from heavy tank with their apc I'm dead

[gray glade]

flying is fun but im so bad at it

[smoky horizon]

It's a bitch move can't take me out on a level playing field so takes the most heavy hitting shit...

And sits in spawn

[gray glade]

i always miss my bombing, despite the 3rd person bombing sight being ontop of enemy

[short pecan]

git gud

[smoky horizon]

Happens every time on arerodrome

[quasi aspen]

yes those freaking spawn campers

[coarse thunder]

I agree with the latter part but other than that no

[smoky horizon]

So I just miss people of and get on top of the bunker

[gray glade]

are you supposed to take your own speed into account when bombing?

[coral fiber]

@gray glade same ngl

[smoky horizon]

Hehe 50+ no prombke

[echo turtle]

Aerodrome with archers

[coral fiber]

Yeah it's best to dive a bit too

[smoky horizon]

British side is better hehe @echo turtle

Straight up the side and dominate

[coral fiber]

Archer good

[coarse thunder]

The archer, valentine medium, and pz4 absolutely dominate the tankspace

[echo turtle]

You get killed as long as your in the thing's sight

[quasi aspen]

is stug 4 the worst tank?

[smoky horizon]

Lmao

[short pecan]

churchill is a funny meme with the howitzer

[smoky horizon]

0anzerwagon oppp

Hahaha

[short pecan]

stug is just alround worse

bad in every way

except for the gunner position i guess

[echo turtle]

[gray glade]

if you actually have someone on the gunner position the stug is pretty good

but ppl never join my stug 😄

[quasi aspen]

360 degree scoped machine gun 😼

[gray glade]

so i always have to switch seats

[short pecan]

yeah but being reliant on another person to deal with infantry sucks

would rather use panzer 4

[coral fiber]

I dogfight way too seriously

[hot drum]

Can someone send thw guide?

[echo turtle]

Flakpanzers being used to kill infantry

[prime pine]

The chutchill mkvii is not too bad

[hot drum]

@coral fiber can u send me the guide?

[gray glade]

what guide?

[hot drum]

@smoky horizon did u have the guide?

[prime pine]

Fantastic anchor with its 95 mm howitser

[short pecan]

@echo turtle valentine AA used to be the best anti-infantry tank

[hot drum]

What i mean the plane/tank guide

[prime pine]

Theres no guide

[coral fiber]

I don't have a guide

[echo turtle]

https://youtu.be/Tv0lPdsy2bY

Here's the guide you speak of

[smoky horizon]

@hot drum dms

[echo turtle]

Was the valentine AA in the beta?

[prime pine]

No