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prime pine
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It'll be a big change

frigid roost
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or like DODS where you have to shoot all 7 until reload

prime pine
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You can just pull the thing back and force the clip out

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Or

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I dont know if its possible

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But you can put in seperate rounds in directly into the clip

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The reciever

ionic girder
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@pastel lion I'm pulling the video back up from a data mine. Can't remember which video it's pulled from exactly, not to mention that it might not even be officially released.

weak marsh
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Yes you can i think

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You can't with the Carcano or the De Luise

prime pine
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Heard it was risky/dangerous with the garand

ionic girder
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Correction, not a data mine, but leaked. Give me a bit and I'll share it. 😐

weak marsh
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Oh i see

frigid roost
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hmm Hell Let Loose is on sale

prime pine
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I will have a black garand

solid hinge
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PINK

frigid roost
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MERMAID

hot drum
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man i wish that there would be better sights for snipers...

prime pine
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Just go long range and thats that.

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I like black things

wild kayak
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in BF1 and BF4 Support class feels like the most underpowered one (especially in BF4). How is it like in BFV?

prime pine
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Support is MUCH better.

frigid roost
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it's a lot better

prime pine
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I can say this with 10 million points on support.

solid hinge
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BIG GUNS

wild kayak
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I personally like staying stationary and defending.

frigid roost
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There's MMG's

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so just set up a tent and defend.

prime pine
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Fg42, Bren/Lewis and the 12G/M30 drilling are the best weapons for it.

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Mmg's are infuriating weapons. I avoid them.

wild kayak
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And what about Support anti-vehicle means in BFV? In BF4 it was good only against tanks with C4 and in BF1 with limpet charges and planes with LMGs

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so it pretty much sucked against vehicles

prime pine
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Your option is AT mines with impact grenades. So you can force a detonation.

frigid roost
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The AT pistol isn't amazing.

solid hinge
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AT mines or an AT pistol

weak marsh
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I personally love MMGs

prime pine
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The AP pistol is your ranged weapon for tanks. But you must strike the engine.

weak marsh
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But i don't use MG42

solid hinge
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Not incredible options, but you can refill your own gadgets

prime pine
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For worthwhile weapons.

solid hinge
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So you have sustain

wild kayak
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And I guess you can no longer regenerate gadgets with the ammo crate?

prime pine
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Uh

solid hinge
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You can!

wild kayak
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what

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can you?

prime pine
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You still can but its slower

weak marsh
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Yes but only one or two

prime pine
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Per resupply you get one mine/AT grenade.

frigid roost
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MG34 is nice over the 42

solid hinge
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It has an interact option

wild kayak
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I heard it was only possible at the ammo stations on points

solid hinge
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You slap it and take one gadget charge

wild kayak
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oh

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Well that's good

prime pine
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Ammo box yeah.

solid hinge
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Then it has a cooldown

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You only get grenades back from the ammo stations

prime pine
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25 second cool down per resupply.

wild kayak
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I see

weak marsh
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Also the MG34 even with his 770 rpm is super accurate

prime pine
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Ammo stations completely refill your gadgets.

main grove
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Sticky grenade also does ok damage to tanks

prime pine
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Sticky grenade is eh

solid hinge
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oh yeah sticky grenade

main grove
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Like 20

frigid roost
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cannot wait for Browning if we get one.

main grove
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I really like the sticky grenade

solid hinge
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Its.. not bad, but situational

wild kayak
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From what I've seen BFV Assaults (Dice seems to really favor assaults in BF4 and BF1..) get very, VERY powerful weapons

main grove
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It’s high damage but low blast radius and long ass fuse

wild kayak
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like medic weapons from BF1

prime pine
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Fire grenades are one if the better options for grenades on support.

main grove
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BFV assaults are just good at everything

solid hinge
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Bfv assaults get sick weapons, yeah

main grove
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Semis for range

prime pine
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Oh. Their semi autos. Yeah. They're powerful but you can contend with them with an LMG if you're good enough.

main grove
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ARs for close to mid range

wild kayak
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Assault bias in a modern Battlefield, who would've suspected

solid hinge
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They're the only class with reasonable explosives as well

prime pine
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What i consider crap in support would be the Ke7.

wild kayak
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Oh but of course, they must have their AT gadgets

prime pine
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Its ok, the ke7. But its nothing in comparison.

main grove
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KE7 needs a recoil pattern buff

ionic girder
weak marsh
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Or even with a medic

wild kayak
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Well I liked M1917 and MG15 in BF1

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and MG4 in BF4

solid hinge
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There's plenty of large guns for support

weak marsh
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Because i can kill assaults with my MP40 or STEN

prime pine
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The m1897 is the least effective shotty

main grove
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BFV does away with large mag LMGs aside from the Lewis

prime pine
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I would say

weak marsh
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The 12g is better

solid hinge
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The big difference is that MMGs can't ADS unless bipoddrd

main grove
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Anything with a belt or very fast fire rate is an MMG

wild kayak
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I like rekting assaults at long ranges, so they jump and run around hopelessly as they are bombarded with lead

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@solid hinge hey I'm used to that

prime pine
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All MMG's i would say are B+

solid hinge
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heh heh

weak marsh
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Well the FG42 is not a MG

prime pine
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Ke7 and m1897 would be a straight B.

wild kayak
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LMGs in BF1 can't ADS unless bipodded either

solid hinge
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The MMGs got nerfed last patch but they're tweaking them again next patch

main grove
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FG42 is fast but not extremely fast

weak marsh
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No yhey can

wild kayak
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unless you're using some noob LMG like lMG 08/18 or storm BAR

prime pine
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Parrabellum.

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Fool.

weak marsh
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The LMG can ads

main grove
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I want the Madsen

wild kayak
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Parabellum isn't that good for long ranges

main grove
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Again

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Was my fav in BF1

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Actually no

wild kayak
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The telescopic is when you fire in bursts

prime pine
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Fg42 - S-

main grove
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The huot was my fav

wild kayak
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Madsen mag takes up too much screen space lel

main grove
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I like using hard guns

weak marsh
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I love the telescopic FG42

wild kayak
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and I need FoV when prone

prime pine
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While the Bren and Lewis i would rank as A

main grove
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KE7 is a B-

prime pine
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While the m30 drilling and the 12G are A-

wild kayak
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So what would you say is the best long range weapon for support in BFV?

midnight nimbus
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telescopic is a shit meme in BF1

prime pine
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Uhhhhhh

midnight nimbus
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Bren is easily the best

weak marsh
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Yeah it is sadly

midnight nimbus
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I mean it's literally the most accurate

prime pine
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Yeah the bren is very very good

wild kayak
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I see

midnight nimbus
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MG30 ig but no scope

weak marsh
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Chauchat was the best LMG in BF1

midnight nimbus
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BAR M1918 was

weak marsh
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Alongside the MG1917

wild kayak
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in BF1 I used to outshoot snipers with telescopic M1917

midnight nimbus
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but it was practically p2w

solid hinge
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that vertical recoil though

midnight nimbus
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bc you needed to preorder BFV to get it

solid hinge
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you think I can actually drag down?

main grove
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Is that the BAR that couldn

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Yeah

midnight nimbus
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BAR M1918 was pretty much busted

wild kayak
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There is no best LMG in BF1

main grove
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Change fire rate

prime pine
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Vertical recoil with the bren ayla?

wild kayak
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Every LMG in BF1 has its purpose

solid hinge
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it goes UP

midnight nimbus
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the ONE LMG in the game that didn't deserve the low weight variant got the low weight variant

wild kayak
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Assault and medic weapons on the other hand

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smg 08/18, hellriegel or automatico

main grove
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Lahti is kind of stuck in the same void as the KE7

wild kayak
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and then mondragon or federov

main grove
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Where it’s not too good at anything

midnight nimbus
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nah not all LMGs in BF1 had a purpose

solid hinge
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and i cant see where the bullets land because the stupid reticle is so ugly

midnight nimbus
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assault and medic balance was better

prime pine
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If you play with the fg42, The brens recoil is easy to control. With high velocity bullets it makes longer range targets easier to hit.

midnight nimbus
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also Mondragon and Federov weren't that good

prime pine
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I guess the reason why the bren's scope is better despite having the crappy reticule is cause of the size of the scope

midnight nimbus
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both had kinda shit variants

main grove
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I see most medic sweats in BF1 using Howell sniper

midnight nimbus
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Factory is pretty much the best variant in the game

solid hinge
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I'm exceptionally bad at controlling recoil

prime pine
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Ahhhh howell sniper oh boy did i love that gun.

midnight nimbus
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you practically get storm benefits + spread benefits

main grove
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Is factory just fast spread reduction?

prime pine
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Selbstlader and the farquad hill were so good

weak marsh
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Federov was bae

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And i have 15 stars with it

midnight nimbus
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fast recoil and spread decrease

frigid roost
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Gen Liu with bolt was my Pref

midnight nimbus
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M1907 and Howell were prolly best sweat guns

frigid roost
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The bolt cycle time was a dream and could easy one tap

prime pine
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I forgot the m1907 was a thing

midnight nimbus
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actually the General Liu is the one gun in the game where the Factory variant sucks

prime pine
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Dunno why but i didnt like it

weak marsh
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I use the Selbslader M1906 or the Cei Rigotti

midnight nimbus
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bc factory doesn't give the bolt mode any benefit

weak marsh
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Or the RSC-17

midnight nimbus
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and it has so much hrec you need Storm

main grove
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I hated the look of weird ass vertical grips on storm variants

midnight nimbus
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and Factory isn't really that worth it on the 1916 bc you want Marksman

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otherwise, Factory on everything else

wild kayak
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Federov is OP

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I know, I used it

midnight nimbus
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Federov is literally not that good

main grove
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I hate the look of V.Grips in general

midnight nimbus
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it's a bad 1907

wild kayak
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Medic rifles in general are too powerful

midnight nimbus
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that you get to hold LMB with

weak marsh
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No is a good M1907

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I love it

wild kayak
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They're so easy to use

frigid roost
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I just wish the mp40 was a little stronger in BFV

main grove
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Fedorov felt awful when I used it

midnight nimbus
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the M1907 does more damage at pretty much every range

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you just have to click

frigid roost
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it feels so weak.

wild kayak
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Federov is boring. But it's effective.

prime pine
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I would rarely use the fedorov

main grove
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It just feels

prime pine
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But when i did

main grove
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Loose?

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Like not much damage and fast penalties to spread

prime pine
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I would build my class around the trench variant with the bayonet charge & training.

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So i would gain the full benefits of it.

midnight nimbus
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AL8 35 only fam

prime pine
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It was beautiful cheese.

wild kayak
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After 500 hours of LMGs I tried medic weapons. They felt so easy to kill with it's ridiculous

main grove
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God I remember when BFV bayonet didn’t give you a speed boost

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So bad

wild kayak
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I don't have to lay down, I don't have to set up a bipod

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I can shoot extremely accurately on the move

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and deal so much damage

frigid roost
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Sweeper is my all time favourite in BF1

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for medics

wild kayak
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if I had medic rifles as support, oo boi

midnight nimbus
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sweeper sukt

main grove
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I don’t understand why you pick sweeper

midnight nimbus
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factory only fam

wild kayak
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What's sweeper

frigid roost
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Because for CQC you got 20+ Rounds and high fire rate

echo turtle
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It's automatic

frigid roost
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and it's decent at mid range

midnight nimbus
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it's not even that high

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300 RPM

main grove
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Same with automatic mode on Cei rigotti

midnight nimbus
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you can easily click that

coarse thunder
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Sweeper is for the people who NEEDED their automatic weapon

midnight nimbus
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there's literally only one reason to use sweeper

main grove
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450 is like the average max clicking speed

midnight nimbus
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and it's on high ping servers

main grove
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It’s why M1A1 and AGM have that

prime pine
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I didnt realise the cel rigotti was fully automatic until many months later.

midnight nimbus
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bc without needing to queue clicks, your shots will come out better

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450 RPM isn't average max click speed dude

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telemetry showed that average click speed in BF1 was like 200 RPM

main grove
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Surely not?

midnight nimbus
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that's why BFV semis have no spread or horizontal recoil

main grove
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I could set the Fedorov to semi auto and click as fast as I can and it felt the same as full auto

solid hinge
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most people do not desire carpal tunnel

midnight nimbus
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bc players were clicking so slow, that they didn't have spread or horizontal recoil anyways in BF1

frigid roost
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but why take the AGM or M1A1 when we got given the MAS

main grove
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Although you have to hold the controller in a funny way

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Holding it normally it wasn’t like that

solid hinge
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cause the MAS only has like 10 bullet

wild kayak
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It's funny how LMGs look like laser guns on consoles

frigid roost
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Reload faster and you get 20

pseudo jackal
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just use the gewerh 1-5 and spam the shit out of it like a noob

main grove
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Tracers are too bright tbf

solid hinge
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you think i can get more than 30% accuracy?

main grove
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I’m not saying remove them but make them harder to see

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Like BF4

wild kayak
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I saw some console gameplay and it looks like LMGs ADSing on consoles are as accurate as bipodded on PC

frigid roost
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Mas is the only gun I enjoy outside of support it feels.

wild kayak
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and bipodded on console were laser guns

main grove
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When I first played the BF1 beta I was genuinely thinking they just took the blasters from Battlefront 1 and turned them orange

midnight nimbus
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console gets less vertical recoil

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and less recoil pattern

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in BFV at least

pseudo jackal
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especially in bf1 with the scopes on the mmgs

wild kayak
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BF1 too

midnight nimbus
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not for BF1 iirc

wild kayak
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and probably BF4

midnight nimbus
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this is new to BFV

pseudo jackal
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u didnt even have to bipod in bf1

echo turtle
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Yeah, bfv felt less punishable than bf1

main grove
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Isn’t that normal for console games though?

wild kayak
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Well I've seen BF1 console gameplay and it always seemed so weird to me

main grove
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Like R6 has it?

midnight nimbus
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console just has aim assist

main grove
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Because the controller is just simply worse at aiming and recoil control

prime pine
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Sometimes i wish i could turn off aim assist.

midnight nimbus
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most games don't have much recoil

wild kayak
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Also, why the heck does assault in BF1 have AT mines

main grove
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That’s why console aim assist is a thing

wild kayak
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and support doesn't

midnight nimbus
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so no reason to add additional benefits

prime pine
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Limpet charge!

wild kayak
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assault already has enough AT gadgets

midnight nimbus
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big recoil is a shit meme anyways

wild kayak
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Limpet charge is just nerfed dynamite

prime pine
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Eh

wild kayak
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You can throw just one and you can't decide WHEN to detonate it

prime pine
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Its great in destroying buildings

main grove
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I’m better at aiming with a controller than a M+K but that’s because I’m used to it my whole life

wild kayak
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and so is dynamite

prime pine
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One of the reasons why i want it back

wild kayak
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and AT gun

stoic breach
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Limp bizkit charge

pseudo jackal
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dynamite can fuck off tbh

prime pine
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Nah at least it explodes when you die

wild kayak
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assault should have limpet charges in BF1

main grove
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I’m shite at shooting on PC

wild kayak
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and support should get dynamite

midnight nimbus
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limpet did a ton of damage

wild kayak
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and/or AT mines

midnight nimbus
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it was fine

main grove
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Like I tried various arcadey games and was dog shit

wild kayak
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yeah it did

midnight nimbus
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dynamite for assault is gud

wild kayak
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but you only get to throw one before the cooldown

prime pine
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I miss support using c4 and similar things.

main grove
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Limpet was great

wild kayak
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and you need to get EXTREMELY CLOSE

main grove
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Should come back for BF5 support

wild kayak
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and BF1 has mostly open maps

main grove
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I n fact it is

midnight nimbus
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coming 2023

main grove
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There’s a magnetic explosive somewhere in the files

wild kayak
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Oh, also

main grove
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I don’t even understand

echo turtle
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Aren't we getting a mine on a stick?

wild kayak
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Can you still use PIAT as mortar?

main grove
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It’s not like DICE are lazy because there’s so much shit they already made

prime pine
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Sticky dynamite is great for destroying buildings. Just place it under the floor boards and let it rip. The ensuing confusion after the blast allows you to get easy kills.

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Yeah you can.

main grove
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They’re just for some reason drip feeding into the game

wild kayak
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I liked PIAT mortar

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But of course support doesn't get it

prime pine
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The bayonet charging mine stick?

wild kayak
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Dice doesn't like support

echo turtle
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The live service sounds like it puts more pressure on them

wild kayak
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Dice says 'fuk support'

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'asalut bestest'

prime pine
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Honestly. If they just drop skins throughout the weeks and then give us weapon content bombs i will be just as happy.

main grove
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I think people would prefer huge updates every few months with little bits in between rather than ā€œlive serviceā€

echo turtle
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Assault feels useless without there being tanks in the field

wild kayak
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I would prefer updates to the previous Battlefields

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There are still bugs

main grove
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Live service only works if they stopped making battlefield 2020 and have the entire dev team on it

wild kayak
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and balancing issues

solid hinge
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MINE ON STICK

fleet bloom
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they really need to nerf the repair tool jfc

prime pine
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Assaults are great for going offensive.

solid hinge
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Assault is most certainly not useless if there's no tanks

wild kayak
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OH! I love how support has repair tool in BFV by default!!!!

solid hinge
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They're like the only class that effectively destroys fortifications

prime pine
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The fact that they can regen 45 points of health is massive

main grove
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Because after a BF is made like 80% move on to the next project

wild kayak
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Assault is the only class that is effective at everything

echo turtle
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I only pull them out when there's a tank

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If they had shotguns

prime pine
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I mean.... Support is my assault class anyways. Sooo kek.

main grove
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I do think the emergency repair is too powerful

echo turtle
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And the smgs

main grove
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It should be 20hp

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Actually maybe more if the health is lower

pseudo jackal
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btw what do you guys think of the breda?

echo turtle
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They felt more effective in trench clearing and tank destruction in the last one

main grove
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It’s not out yet

prime pine
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Dont know yet

wild kayak
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I love the fortification mechanic in BFV. Anyone knows what other games have it?

pseudo jackal
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ik know but the concept

main grove
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It’s out on Thursday

stoic breach
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Fortnite has it

prime pine
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And trench. Thats the main thing. Its helpful using it when on 45 health.

stoic breach
wild kayak
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...

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No thanks..

main grove
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4 round burst seems odd

echo turtle
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People who went to Gamescom said it was stupid op for some reason

pseudo jackal
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do 3 or 5

stoic breach
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4 round burst seems broke as shit

wild kayak
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I know about Foxhole and I have it, but

main grove
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Like it will only be effective in 4 round kill range

prime pine
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It gets you back to 71 health

wild kayak
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Foxhole logistics got too complex to be enjoyable

prime pine
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So you can take more pummeling

stoic breach
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Considering ARs need 4 bullets to kill under 10m

prime pine
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Breda looks to be good fun

main grove
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Because most automatic engagements in this game take place at 5BTK

stoic breach
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One-bursting people in close range

echo turtle
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Probably a weapon to surpass the ribeyrolles with its accuracy

prime pine
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But people are saying semi auto is more effective than burst cause of the delay.

stoic breach
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What delay

wild kayak
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How is MG42 with/without RPM upgrade at long ranges?

stoic breach
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Oh between burts?

main grove
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The delay between bursts

wild kayak
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Is it ok or too uncontrollable?

prime pine
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Yeah raze

stoic breach
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Yeah I forgot

prime pine
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You fire, minor pause then fire. With semi its dadadadadadadadada

main grove
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It’ll probably be good at close range shit at mid good at long

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Because of the 4 bullets

prime pine
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We might get a 24/7 lofoten islands/provence playlist

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So im looking forward to that

main grove
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How fast is the Burst RPM anyway?

prime pine
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650 rpm

solid hinge
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@wild kayak mg42 is harder to control than the rest, but y'know it shoots so many bullets that it barely matters

stoic breach
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I hope for 24/7 DOM playlist

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That would be the best

main grove
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Less than the STG1-5?

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It better be accurate

prime pine
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Ive been playing a lot of squad CRONK as of late and its so much fun

stoic breach
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Breakthrough would be ideal but nobody wanna play Breakthrough

prime pine
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Yeah it will have to be

wild kayak
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I guess MG42 is the best support tool for taking out planes?

solid hinge
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Breda has a further 4btk range iirc

prime pine
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They werent made for breakthrough

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Which is annoying

stoic breach
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No MMG is good for taking out planes

solid hinge
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You cant do shit to planes as infantry currently

wild kayak
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Really?

stoic breach
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Because MMGs cant aim up OMEGALUL

solid hinge
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Vehicle balance is wacky

wild kayak
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oh well

stoic breach
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Imagine trying to aim vertically but your fucking bipod keeps you glued to the ground

solid hinge
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You have to try to hit them with a panzerfaust

wild kayak
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In BF1 LMGs can hurt planes

main grove
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Incendiary bullets on MMGs do about 10 damage to a plane as it passes

wild kayak
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easily taking down bombers

prime pine
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When you're flying your mosquito mk fb vi and some support starts to open fire on you so you strafe him with your 4x .303's.

solid hinge
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Planes got changed in this

stoic breach
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Nice job DICE designing "defensive" weapons that cant defend against planes

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Big lol

main grove
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But they make distance much faster than BF1 planes

wild kayak
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ehh

solid hinge
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There's rumours they'll add an anti air launcher to assault

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so that might change things

prime pine
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FLIETERFAUST

wild kayak
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I am super pissed by how OP flying vehicles are in BF4

stoic breach
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Fliegerfaust gang

wild kayak
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in BF1 they're fine

sonic rampart
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Please add the chopper

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From firestorm in mp

wild kayak
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just like tanks

sonic rampart
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Like

stoic breach
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Yes

wild kayak
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BF1 has great vehicle balance

sonic rampart
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Just yeet it

prime pine
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I want to fly in bf4 and get used to the A10. That looks like so much fun.

stoic breach
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Kolibri with mounted MG34

sonic rampart
#

More battlefield moments

stoic breach
#

That would be the dream

main grove
#

Plus vehicle attrition on planes encourages them to constantly make one pass and then fly out of infantry bounds

stoic breach
#

Equipped with dumbfire missiles

prime pine
#

Nahhhhh raze. VGO. sneakyplat

sonic rampart
#

@stoic breach we can keep on dreaming FeelsMeowMan

wild kayak
#

in BF1 vehicles were weapon platforms that were super powerful if you were smart with them

stoic breach
#

VGO on da back

main grove
#

Only way to proper take out a plane is another plane

wild kayak
#

in BF4 flying vehicles are indestructible if you know how to fly properly

prime pine
#

To be fair. You'll be an open target. So i wouldnt want to bother xD

main grove
#

But then if they’re good it just becomes flying in a circle until someone gets bored

stoic breach
#

Imagine though for real, radar package, mounted MMG and dumbfire missiles on the Kolibri

prime pine
#

Kek

stoic breach
#

Full WW2 helicopter farming

main grove
#

If you become actually unkillable in a plane because you’re somewhat good then that’s bad balance

stoic breach
#

With the Fliegerfaust acting as a faux-lockon

#

Cause its aerial splash

prime pine
#

Im a dog in air vehicles. Cause ill crash into the ground before they get me.

wild kayak
#

I loved halftracks in BF1942

#

They could take down infantry, wreck planes, heal and resupply

prime pine
#

When its released. I would like to test it out with you raze.

main grove
#

Maybe we should bring back BF4 style vehicle spawns

wild kayak
#

why can't we have halftracks

prime pine
#

See how much damage two or more assaults can do to a plane.

main grove
#

I dunno

stoic breach
#

Yeah

prime pine
#

I havent seen a plane fly for ages i forgot wow.

stoic breach
#

If the Faust actually gets released I'll jump on and test it

main grove
#

I feel like some vehicles need to Respawn faster than others

stoic breach
#

I also wanna test the Breda when it releases

prime pine
#

Ive been playing so much squad cronk ive forgotten about vehicles

north ravine
#

I wanna try the m1 garand

stoic breach
#

Hahaha

north ravine
#

bet its gonna kill in 2 shots

stoic breach
#

I'm still on the Warframe grind

#

Thats all I've been playing

north ravine
#

Warframe grind never ends

stoic breach
#

For the past like month

formal valve
#

You know what’s funny

stoic breach
#

I know

main grove
#

M1 Garand should be an SLR

#

For recon

north ravine
#

@stoic breach lmao thats smooth

main grove
#

Not semi auto for assault

formal valve
#

People still call the MG on the back of allied vehicles a VGO lmao

stoic breach
#

Yeah man

prime pine
#

Semi auto

north ravine
#

MG42 FTW

prime pine
#

Raze. Fast reload or bayonet on garand. What would you choose.

stoic breach
#

SAR spammy M1 Garand would be super fucking fun though

#

Never tac reload

#

Just spam

prime pine
#

Cause ill go bayonet

stoic breach
#

I would go fast reload

prime pine
#

If they ever do bayonet

formal valve
#

M1 doesn’t fire very fast

main grove
#

I just don’t think assaults need another godamn semi auto

north ravine
#

I'd always empty the garand to hear the ping!

stoic breach
#

300-360rpm M1 Garand

#

Yeah

#

360 rpm fast as fuck boi

prime pine
#

It'll just be another g43 whats the big deal?

stoic breach
#

Hear pings all the time

north ravine
#

Is it the same as the carbine ?

stoic breach
#

It'll be a HYPE Gewehr 43

prime pine
#

Exactly raze.

main grove
#

I want the Garand to be a fast SLR

#

300rpm

prime pine
#

Then people will realise how limiting it'll be

north ravine
#

Whats the m1a1 rof?

prime pine
#

450

stoic breach
#

I wish the Turner SMLE was an SLR

#

20 round stomper SLR

formal valve
#

At least Recon is getting the M3 with a infrared scope

main grove
#

2btk up to 25m

formal valve
#

That’ll be a cool gimmick

stoic breach
#

Probably up to 20m would be better

#

Even 18m

main grove
#

That looks so fucking stupid

prime pine
#

Im not sure. Isnt the m3 an m1a1 with an infared?

main grove
#

The M3 carbine

formal valve
#

No

#

It’s a M1

stoic breach
#

Assault counters to smoke

main grove
#

WW2 infrared technology on top of a gun

prime pine
#

Have you played return to castle wolfenstein, trench? Cause it was there.

stoic breach
#

I hope they just eliminate medics entirely

main grove
#

It seems so bulky though

formal valve
#

Engineer class pls

prime pine
#

It appeared as the snooper rifle as the only silenced rifle.

#

Yeah and it was

#

Cause the tech was very very new

stoic breach
#

Imagine seeing through smoke as a recon lol

#

Goodbye medic smoke spam

formal valve
#

I’ll probably not use it tho

prime pine
#

People carried giant batteries on their back essentially

formal valve
#

I want the Springfield

prime pine
#

Just to power it

stoic breach
#

Springfield would be sick if it had the BF1 sweetspot

#

That was the appeal

main grove
#

I can’t imagine the M1 Garand being a 3btk with an 8 round clip

stoic breach
#

It was a higher damage Krag

north ravine
#

Kar98 ftw

stoic breach
#

That would make it a skill weapon

#

3BTK with an 8 round mag

prime pine
#

They'll probably give it some gimmick so it stands out

stoic breach
#

A gun for people who like to switch on

prime pine
#

The one hit one headshot weapon sort.

stoic breach
#

With a lightning fast weapon

north ravine
#

the garand should be a one shot weapon

#

even to the legs

prime pine
#

No

north ravine
#

Yes

stoic breach
#

I wish SLRs could one-shot headshot

main grove
#

I just think it should be like a lighter faster but weaker SLR

#

That way I can mount 6x scope as well

stoic breach
#

Garand AT Gang lol

prime pine
#

Raze liked what i had thought out for the PTRS if they added it in.

#

Remember?

stoic breach
#

Remind me again

#

I wanna think about it

prime pine
#

180 RPM Ohko headshot under 50 M SLR

stoic breach
#

Yeah

#

Or better yet, OHSK up to 100m

formal valve
#

The funny thing is guys

prime pine
#

100 M OHKO eh.

main grove
#

I figured the PTRS should shoot 140 RPM with a shit ton of recoil

#

Even when bipoded

stoic breach
#

One headshot kill

prime pine
#

Dunno why but that rubs me the wrong way

formal valve
#

People are complaining that they aren’t adding the Vampir which was the IR STG

stoic breach
#

OHSK

main grove
#

It will still one shot infantry

#

Up close

formal valve
#

The M3 was actually documented used

stoic breach
#

Vampir would be interesting

prime pine
#

50M or even 70/80 M

solid hinge
#

garand will probably be 3-3btk with 360rpm

prime pine
#

Rubba dub dub

formal valve
#

Whereas the Vampir might not have been used at all

main grove
#

That will suck

solid hinge
#

so g43 damage with turner fire rate

stoic breach
#

3-3BTK would be sick

main grove
#

I don’t want semi auto Garand

stoic breach
#

If it had epic hipfire that would be amazing

main grove
#

I really don’t

formal valve
#

150 M3s were used and well documented on Okinawa

prime pine
#

The garand was semi auto

#

What

main grove
#

I mean as an assault weapon

#

It should be under recon

echo turtle
#

Medics

prime pine
#

Well then for recon it'll outclass then all

#

It'll make the RSC and the model 8 shit

main grove
#

No

stoic breach
#

I think the Garand works better as a fast trigger spam weapon

main grove
#

Make it have a much shorter 2btk range

prime pine
#

It'll have more ammo per clip

stoic breach
#

Unload 8 rounds as fast as possible

#

Ping then restart

prime pine
#

If you give it a shorter 2HKO range then why use it over the RSC/Model 8?

main grove
#

For me the Garand will always be more of a slow methodical heavy semi auto

echo turtle
#

The medics should get access to a few SLRs

prime pine
#

It'll probably be a B+ weapon at release. The hype'll go down and shit.

#

Then people will realise how bad its flaws are

stoic breach
#

I actually wish the SLRs got buffed because got damn

main grove
#

Besides I’m more hyped about other weapons like the M1903 and B.A.R

stoic breach
#

They are floaty as shit

formal valve
#

I’ll use it just for the novelty I guess

main grove
#

They need to be floaty

prime pine
#

The mx garand on bo3 was actually one of my more most used weapons kek

formal valve
#

I’m hyped about the Ithaca M37 and the M3 grease gun

main grove
#

Otherwise there is little reason to use them over bolt actions

prime pine
#

Fast mags, quickdraw and a sight was all i needed and i dominated everyomr with it.

main grove
#

Not that that doesn’t already exist

stoic breach
#

What you mean little reason?

prime pine
#

Have you touched the rsc, raze?

main grove
#

Ithaca M37 and Sjogren

stoic breach
#

RSC feels like shit compared to the BF1 version

#

In BFV

main grove
#

It feels the same to me

prime pine
#

Yeah it does. But even as a former shadow of itself its not all bad.

stoic breach
#

The SLRs just have way too slow recoil decrease

main grove
#

Like the SLR class was based off the BF1 RSC

prime pine
#

I always give up quick aim over recoil buffer.

stoic breach
#

Like, if they had faster recoil decrease that would be amazing

#

Yeah

#

No more floaty pieces of shit

prime pine
#

It makes me worse at close range but it helps me on the long run.

stoic breach
#

I specced the RSC for hipfire

main grove
#

2btk though is fucking fast

prime pine
#

I went L R R R

main grove
#

You sure you want to get 2 tapped that fast at range?

stoic breach
#

You could actually give the SLRs more recoil if the decrease was faster

main grove
#

That could work

stoic breach
#

That would also feel better

#

More kick but it steadies faster

prime pine
#

During the CC drought. I had to use the ZH without recoil buffer while using its scope.

#

Holy fucking shit i dont know HOW i did it.

stoic breach
#

Hahaha

#

Wow

prime pine
#

But i made it work

#

And then when i got the coin for recoil buffer

#

It made it so much easier

stoic breach
#

Yeah

prime pine
#

Theeeen i never touched it again once i got my recon to level 20.

stoic breach
#

For the ZH I chose faster rate of fire

#

Because I didnt actually need a box mag

prime pine
#

If i wanted faster rate of fire i would go selbstlader

stoic breach
#

I just cant handle the Selby now

#

The slow recoil decrease sucks too much

prime pine
#

Oh no i just remembered my game on Arras frontlines...

stoic breach
#

I dont even want to bother levelling it up

prime pine
#

Would you consider two people flying mosquitos and dropping big bombs on clusters of soldiers on the last objective overkill, raze?

#

The selbstlader 1906 has always felt the same weirdly.

stoic breach
#

I would call it PTFO

#

Lol

prime pine
#

Kek

#

Cyanide and i were just saying big bomb and screaming when we got 4+ man multi kills xD

stoic breach
#

Yeah after levelling up the ZH I cant use the Selby cause I dont want to use a shitty stock version

#

Hahaha

midnight nimbus
#

ZH and 1906 have the same recoil decrease

#

1906 might actually have less recoil

prime pine
#

Nah their values are the same

#

The only difference is their specs

stoic breach
#

Before when I didnt care so much, I levelled up the ZH, now that I do care I cant use the Selby ever

prime pine
#

ZH has the advantage of fast reloads while the selbstlader has better killing potential accross the board.

midnight nimbus
#

oh yea u right

#

no reason to pick high RoF ZH

#

actually 1906 needs quick reload to match the ZH's reload time ig

#

assuming both at 163 RPM

prime pine
#

Yeah they're both at 164

#

Selbstlader with faster ads movement speed is a clear pick for me.

dense bone
#

zh for its 2x or 3x, whichever has the nice basic crosshair

prime pine
#

That'd be selby

midnight nimbus
#

yeah 163 RPM ZH has kinda shit specs

#

ZH does have the nice 3x though

prime pine
#

If the medium scope was larger then i wouldnt have much of a problem with it

#

I really wouldnt

#

Its why i give the Bren's scope high praise

#

Cause reticule can be shit but the size of the scope can decrease the clutter and make things clearer.

midnight nimbus
#

all BFV sight choices are shitty in their own way

#

very cool!

prime pine
#

Kek

#

If we could customise them then it wouldnt be so bad

midnight nimbus
#

you just pick which way you want to cuck your visibility

#

I don't even think any of the 3x scopes are particularly amazing, but none are bad

#

they just slow down your ADS time pretty badly

prime pine
#

I do notice that

#

Maybe its why the 2x feels weirs

#

Weird

#

Cause i know its a scope but i expect it to not be so quick

midnight nimbus
#

433ms to ADS with a 3x scope OMEGALUL

#

vs 200ms in BF1 for scoped SLRs

#

400ms for the Telescopic LMGs ig

prime pine
#

Jeez

hot drum
#

mercenary good map to snipe if u know how to snipe

midnight nimbus
#

and 300ms for the sniper rifles with scopes

prime pine
#

Quick aim changes it massively too

midnight nimbus
#

433ms to 300ms

#

yea

#

300ms still isn't amazing though

prime pine
#

But its better regardless

midnight nimbus
#

yeah quick aim is crutch with all non SMGs

#

especially if you use 3x

hot drum
#

ugh hamada....

prime pine
#

Its a must have on the bren for that reason

#

Cause the bren performs best with the scope

#

And as you stated

#

The ads time is extremely slow

vivid hedge
#

any pc players wanna squad up

gray saffron
#

check out #lfg-pc for people to group up with, @vivid hedge

prime pine
#

Huh ok there's an assault bundle

solid hinge
#

how can i use the airstrike for the panzerbüchse 39

#

I gotta say

#

The panzerbüchse is pretty sexy

#

NOW

#

can someone help me xddd

#

The airstrike?

#

The heck u saying

#

i mean the sectorattiliere

#

im from germany so idk so is it sectorartilary or sth like that

golden gate
#

šŸ‘®šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

solid hinge
#

It is

#

Its quite simple mlady

#

U have to be the squad leader

golden gate
#

Tips fedora

solid hinge
#

Have 17500 points

golden gate
#

šŸ‘€

solid hinge
#

And hold the 2 buttons

#

Select sector arty

#

Choose the location

#

And congrats

#

which buttons xd

#

What platform r you playing on?

#

pc

#

Heck, i dont know then

prime pine
#

Sector artillery is a squad leader reinforcement

#

You must be a squad leader and have 17500 points to call one in.

solid hinge
#

Already told him all of that

prime pine
#

Oh right

solid hinge
#

He doesnt know which buttons to press

prime pine
#

You can see the buttons by the score i think

solid hinge
#

O shit

#

U right

#

xd?

icy sluice
#

It says it next to your name in the bottom left corner

#

If you are squad leader and have enough to call in Requisitions

#

iirc it should be like 4-5k to call in the smoke barrage?

solid hinge
#

ok thx

#

wtf the emp is actually really comfy

#

I think smoke is like 8k

icy sluice
#

You're comfy

solid hinge
#

Surprisingly expensive

#

It's true! I have a cat on my lap

icy sluice
#

:peepocat:

solid hinge
#

7500

icy sluice
#

I haven't used them in a long time, so lol

solid hinge
#

Some weird catto started coming to my house and meows until it gets food

#

Help

halcyon burrow
#

That button is F i think but its depends on person settings

prime pine
#

I remember i had a cat on me when i played cod 2

icy sluice
#

I think it's B for Computer by default

prime pine
#

That was warm

icy sluice
#

toss cat overhead

prime pine
#

NOOOO

#

Not that cat

#

You monster

solid hinge
#

Fuck i want a cat now

#

Dont

prime pine
#

I used to have a cockatiel. I would hear him sing and bang me while i played my game

halcyon burrow
#

Oh i dont know my friend has it on F WoahThink

solid hinge
#

i got 6

#

They are disgusting

prime pine
#

Wait no not bang as in bleugh

solid hinge
#

I have 2 but they are my sisters

prime pine
#

Like he would bang my headset with his beak

solid hinge
#

But I do everything for them

prime pine
#

Im allergic to cats so i havent really been around them much.

solid hinge
#

She dosnet feed them, play with them, clean their shit and piss up, wash them

#

It fucking sucks

#

@prime pine your lucky

prime pine
#

Eh that depends.

#

I go to my sisters place and my breathing goes bad when it isnt monitered.

#

Ugh... Remembering old times.

solid hinge
#

how does this discussion relate to battlefield i wonder šŸ¤”

prime pine
#

Cause ayla's cats were sitting on her

#

Someone mentioned comfieness

glossy locust
#

running into spinbotters every match lately...

#

even on US east

#

EA should but the next BF on their stream platform

#

i am so tired of dealing with this BS

solid hinge
#

a high dpi mouse is all you need to flick around 180 degrees more or less instantly

glossy locust
#

dude i know the difference

solid hinge
#

if you say so, and i'm not a dude

glossy locust
#

the last game i was in the guy was bragging ab it

midnight nimbus
#

> high dpi
> playing FPS
LUL

solid hinge
#

some people like high dpi, some don't... some are extremely skilled with high dpi/sensitivity, some are not... simple facts

dense bone
#

lets assume dpi is talking about general speed you move in game

#

theres a fact that lower is better

#

considering if you want to move fast you can move your arm faster

solid hinge
#

can still do sharper movements with higher sensitivity

dense bone
#

theres no saying that people that make high sens gaming work wouldnt do better if they got used to low sens gaming

solid hinge
#

and there's no saying the contrary either

dense bone
#

except science

solid hinge
#

prove it, scientificly, then

dense bone
#

its easier to fine tune with lower sensitivity

solid hinge
#

🤦 .. i can see this discussion is going nowhere, so i'm out of it

glossy locust
#

high dpi low game sens is techically smoother than the opposite

#

makes no difference really though

solid hinge
#

i habe enough pojtns

dense bone
#

dpi doesnt make a difference

solid hinge
#

which key should i press now

#

for the arty

dense bone
#

because dpi is only 1 factor of like 4 that determines your in game movement

glossy locust
#

higher dpi is by definition smoother, no?

solid hinge
#

have you any idea what dpi actually is @dense bone ??

dense bone
#

dpi is dots per inch

solid hinge
#

in a mouse

dense bone
#

do you not get that dpi isnt the only determining factor for how fast you aim?

glossy locust
#

I use 800 and going over that is useless in my experience. 1600 is nice for desktop movement, but some shittier games you can't convert into your low sens if you use dpi >1000

dense bone
#

theres windows settings and in game settings, mouse accelerationg (i hope most turn that off)

solid hinge
#

which key should i press for sector arty??

halcyon burrow
#

@solid hinge are you squad leader?

glossy locust
#

400 is a bad desktop experience in my opinion

#

but most pros do use 400

dense bone
#

you can flick just as fast with 400 dpi as you can with 1600 dpi as long as you change the in game sensitivity values

solid hinge
#

yes

#

dpi in a mouse is now many dots per inch the sensor reads, and if you have a higher dpi setting on your mouse, it reads more "dots" ... and if you drop the sensitivity way down in the game it reads more information that it crams into a slower speed making it more high resolution = smoother

#

exactly what @glossy locust just said

dense bone
#

yes, and none of that pertains to your "high dpi flick faster" comments

#

since you have other factors to determine how fast you can flick

glossy locust
#

so higher dpi is smoother it's a fact, but really in game it doesn't matter, that's the point.

solid hinge
#

if you have a set sensitivity in your game, say 20 or whatever, and then crank your dpi up on your mouse = much faster movement

glossy locust
#

so pros actually claim 400 is chunkier, less precise and that's a good thing

dense bone
#

yes, or you can have low dpi, set it to 40 and get the same results

halcyon burrow
#

@solid hinge so in left bottom corner is your squad and next to you is 1 letter

solid hinge
#

yes

glossy locust
#

like because your hand movement is not perfect, the mosue updating less per second can lead to more accurate movement

solid hinge
#

next to my name is a star

dense bone
#

it seems like you were defaulting to dpi as the end all for your in game sensitivity

solid hinge
#

and then around 5k points

#

oh lol

hollow wadi
#

I know nothing about this dpi stuff but ok

glossy locust
#

think of trying to draw a straight line in paint, might be easier at lower dpi less microcorrections from the mouse

solid hinge
#

i have it thxxd

#

it seems you are making alot of assumptions @dense bone ..... i didn't default to anything, i was merely discussing stuff

halcyon burrow
#

Np matešŸŽ‰

dense bone
#

its not assumption, its your words

solid hinge
#

which is why i'm again out of this discussions, since it's pointless

dense bone
#

you literally said high dpi makes you flick faster

#

a combination of settings makes you flick faster

midnight nimbus
#

some players play with high dpi, really low in game sens bc it apparently improves tracking and pixel skipping

#

but yeah high sens doesn't make you flick better lol

hollow wadi
#

Oh hi beo OkayChamp

midnight nimbus
#

you never have to do more than a 180 anyways

glossy locust
#

pixel skipping is a debunked myth now

solid hinge
#

shjeewsshh

dense bone
#

pixel skipping happens with certain settings, mostly high sens gaming

solid hinge
#

@hollow wadi hey man

dense bone
#

and looking at csgo pro settings 90% of players are on 400 or 800 dpi

glossy locust
#

the theory that 400 dpi it's easier to maybe snap and click heads in csgo because the mouse doesn't microcorrect as much because it updates less makes more sens than pixel skipping to me

midnight nimbus
#

also some really good quake players play with mouse accel

#

as long as you have a good and reliable curve it works

#

yeah but mouse settings are entirely subjective

#

there's really no best

dense bone
#

not entirely

midnight nimbus
#

if you use relaaa's settings, you'll prolly play like shit

dense bone
#

like i said, theres a reason most pros are using roughly the same settings

midnight nimbus
#

yeah not entirely I agree

#

high sens for FPS sucks

#

even though ik a few players that make it work

#

no one really really good plays with a high sens

glossy locust
#

csgo favors >40 cm 360 Battlefield favors <35 cm 360 quake and fortnite less than 25 cm 360

dense bone
#

i think beo is a high sens gamer and mad at this convo

midnight nimbus
#

within a certain boundary*, mouse settings are entirely subjective

dense bone
#

ill agree with that statement

midnight nimbus
#

ik someone who plays BF with like a 10cm 360

solid hinge
#

there you go assuming things again @dense bone ... it's really not a good trait to have

dense bone
#

what is it like 10-16 inches to 360 is what a majority of gamers fall under

midnight nimbus
#

but he whores JU88A

dense bone
#

i did assume that one, didnt asume others

hollow wadi
#

Don't make the great wise beo mad

glossy locust
#

battlefield is kinda different because you almost always aim down sights which slows your sens

midnight nimbus
#

nah you can have USA

glossy locust
#

still slows down your sights

midnight nimbus
#

ADS sens = hipfire sens

#

if you want

glossy locust
#

10cm becomes like 40cm with a 6x

#

or more

#

with USA

midnight nimbus
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just use different settings then

icy sluice
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iirc you can set it so that ADS sensitivity is higher than hip-fire sensitivity

midnight nimbus
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idk i don't overthink sensitivity settings personally

icy sluice
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imagine if someone does play like that tho

midnight nimbus
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I just play with it until I get a sensitivity I like

glossy locust
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USA is best at 0% technically, I would either do 0% or the default

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0 is most mathematically sound

icy sluice
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100% is most comfortable for me lol

midnight nimbus
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well

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technically no one knows how USA actually works

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bc DICE doesn't even truly know

icy sluice
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My coeffecient is at 133% which I think is the default?

dense bone
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wtf is USA

midnight nimbus
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technically "best" coef is dependent on aspect ratio

glossy locust
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there is a lot of number crunching on mouse-sensitivity.com 0% was determined to be the best. It's the only ratio that actually is consistent with hipfire. So no matter how scoped in you are it's teh same ratio

echo turtle
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USA

midnight nimbus
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but no one really knows how to do this

topaz dome
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I play with 1400 on mouse, maybe default ingame, to 180 is about 2 inches

dense bone
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ffs...

midnight nimbus
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holy shit

topaz dome
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and I bet if you take out the flares and smokes I would have about 25% accuracy

icy sluice
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Universal Soldier Aim

dense bone
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4 inches to 360?!

icy sluice
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Uniform

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Fuck me

solid hinge
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i just checked, and i'm running 10 sensitivity and 1000 dpi on the mouse.... so there you go

glossy locust
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there is a big post from bf4 when USA was implemented

dense bone
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idk what that means for in game sens

glossy locust
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it's basically the same as CSGOs setting is it not

dense bone
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theres windows settings and resolution involved

solid hinge
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low

icy sluice
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Uniform Soldier Aiming... basically getting all sensitivities for different zoom levels to 'feel' the same

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The most basic form I can narrow it down to

dense bone
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10 sens and 1k dpi sounds pretty high

glossy locust
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but they aren't the same, it just slows down the sens depending on how much your zoom in, aka how low your FOV gets

solid hinge
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🤷

icy sluice
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Yeah, I used the word 'feel' for a reason

solid hinge
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that's what i like, and that's what i run with

midnight nimbus
dense bone
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i think im around 4 sens and 800 dpi, though im on higher end of distance to 360

glossy locust
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the coefficient used determines the ratio value, or how much slower your zoomed in sight feels

solid hinge
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4 sensitivity and 800 dpi? on pc? .... you couldn't turn a 180 even if you used half your desk then

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in battlefield?

midnight nimbus
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well how sensitivity + dpi matters also depends on your resolution

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like I'm at 600 dpi 17 sens, which isn't normally that low

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but it's pretty low if you have fuckhuge horizontal resolution

glossy locust
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yeah you have ultrawide?

solid hinge
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i have 3440x1440 resolution... but i used the same when i didn't have ultrawide

midnight nimbus
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yeah, it took me awhile to get used to it

glossy locust
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one day i will get an ultrawide

midnight nimbus
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I had to change all my sensitivity settings a bit

glossy locust
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when the 1440 HDR 1000 one isn't 2k

solid hinge
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you will never go back after you played on an ultrawide.. it's excellent

midnight nimbus
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i tried playing on 2560x1440 and I couldn't hit anything

glossy locust
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annoying that some games don't work with it though

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overwatch like stretches it right

solid hinge
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battlefield works perfectly, unlike say, Division 2 that has some scaling problems in certain parts of the UI and some game elements

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haven't had any of that in BF1/V

glossy locust
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surprising because ubisoft is usually on point with PC features

solid hinge
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for sure

glossy locust
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still, even this far after releast

midnight nimbus
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I need to change my BF4 config so it moves all the HUD elements towards the center

glossy locust
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bf3 is unplayble on any resolution over 1080p

midnight nimbus
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kinda annoying to have all your HUD elements towards your peripheral

glossy locust
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made me uninstall even thought it's my favorite

midnight nimbus
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I thought BF3 felt fine at 3440x1440

glossy locust
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the hud is so tiny and no way to scale

solid hinge
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never tried BF3 in ultrawide, so I can't really comment on that :/

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maybe i should... for science!

glossy locust
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but for real i really want to try a pc shooter on a stream now

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like input latency is fine i just can't stand the hacks anymroe, somehow bfv is even worse lately

midnight nimbus
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the size isn't the problem, I just hate my HUD elements towards the sides

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this is nice

dense bone
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i have like 18" of desk space

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it takes me roughly 17" to 360

glossy locust
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if EA just was like if you want to play the new bf you have to use our stream

dense bone
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you dont need to 360

glossy locust
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i would be onboard in a second

midnight nimbus
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or whatever settings nickel uses for BF4

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shit looks great

glossy locust
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bf3 is crazy for its time isn't it

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still looks good

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came out in like 2011 or 2010?

midnight nimbus
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looks better than BFV kek

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I need to change up my config to do this

gray saffron
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Looks a bit squashed

midnight nimbus
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that's the point

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all the info is towards the middle

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though nowadays he uses diff transparency settings, so you can see through the HUD elements better

high fox
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Too claustrophobic for my style

midnight nimbus
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looks great in BF1

icy sluice
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It is funny looking at Nickel's tweets, thinking that he's this megamind of a person is hilarious

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He calls his teammates (r-word) and praises a solo-mode but then goes on to say "WHOA 100 PLAYERS"

hot drum
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spawn in die spawn in die spawn in die this has happen now like 20 times

hoary condor
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Don't die WeSmart

rocky verge
prime pine
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Huh

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I never knew the HCAR was a modern BAR.

hoary condor
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Neither did I

hot drum
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AT Rifle and the panzerbuches making this game unplayable

gray glade
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fliegerfaust when dice

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give me a chance to shoot planes

hoary condor
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Panzerbuches is worse than the boys

prime pine
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It'll make strafing with the mosquito harder... But being completely honest. As infuriating as it will be. Infantry need some sort of defence against planes.

hazy wasp
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im timing it now

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I am dying to SMG's as fast as I die to a sniper rifle shot to the head