#battlefield-legacy-titles

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solid hinge
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Aint got any numbers

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Only the ranking

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Lemme see

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Dont see any numbers

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Yeah for now

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A couple months back it was like top 10

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Slowly losing the players

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The casuals are what keep it alive

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If cod gets them away

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Shits dead

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Maybe

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Completely depends on dice

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And tbh they havent shown that they could do it

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swbf2 is still alive

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Barely

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And they put a lot of work into that game

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  • its star wars
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Which is carrying it pretty hard

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Its a good game but it lacks content, updates and polish

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For 8 months now

ivory acorn
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I’m getting really sick of the shitty hitmarkers in this game

solid hinge
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Hah

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Those people who cant wait a few weeks for a patch probably have been waiting for patches since launch

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So I dont blame them

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real coping hours

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Its an activision game so microtransactionsplosion is a given

ivory acorn
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I’m tired of shooting a guy and getting fake hitmarkers that dealt no damage

solid hinge
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and dice isn't?

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even tough they take direct orders from the EA top?

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Imagine if they said that everything could be earned without spending money and then they went back on that word and made most things cost real money XD wouldnt that be funny 😆

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Like if activision made an image that showed the paths to rewards and then deleted it after launch

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Thatd be insanely scummy

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I know this is just hypothetical

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Of what they could do

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😉

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Or get this, what if IW said its going to be a live service game with free maps etc but then didnt put out a single map for half a year

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Duuuude thatd be such a bummer

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oh, he's mad now

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Theyve talked about mtx in cod mw

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Its never been more funny

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Dice just keeps tripping over

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Attachments will all be free thats confirmed

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So no paid gunbench

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The only confirmed mtx as of yet is skins for the operator dudes

wild crag
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BF1 Anyone ?

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advise please

solid hinge
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All the dlc will be free in cod mw that means the mtx will flow like water in the game

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I heard dice were forced by ea to use an outdated version of frostbite and thats why the game is kinda buggy

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They can’t make money anymore because there are no dlc packs anymore. Mtx is the only way

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Lol

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Skins

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@solid hinge that’s really cheap

fast gyro
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Supply Drops??

ivory acorn
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The Bf5 team is probably celebrating right now

fast gyro
solid hinge
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are there actually """people""" out there that can't stop themselves from spending money on weapon skins?

ivory acorn
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I remember when the game failed at lunch and these people were still celebrating

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Launch*

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The devs have shown no signs of caring about the game. Every time they get caught doing something wrong, they just bullshit

solid hinge
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How do you know they were celebrating?

wild crag
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is this a general BF channel or only BF5

solid hinge
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Remember, the mtx at launch and until christmas will be decided by iw. Activision will get involved only if the fails, wich mw will obviously not

gray saffron
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every battlefields are discussed here, @wild crag

ivory acorn
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Because when the game launched, it was confirmed that the game didn’t do good at all, yet the devs were celebrating and someone posted a picture of their banner, which mocked the fans

solid hinge
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Idk if the bf5 dev team is even a skeleton crew at this point

ivory acorn
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Like I said, it’s like every time they get called out on something, they just bullshit

solid hinge
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Idk whats is going on at dice

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Probably like 3 people + jeff

ivory acorn
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Someone pointed out that Chapter 4 promised vehicles, and now they’re saying it was a mistake

solid hinge
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Somethings very wrong

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Most of the team is probably finishing up battlefield 2020

wild crag
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@gray saffron where can i find BF1....

solid hinge
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every single time

fleet bloom
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@ivory acorn you committed the ULTIMATE CARDINAL SIN

solid hinge
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i hope chapt 5 is a turning point

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Oh yeah lets blame r/bfv

gray saffron
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what do you mean "find bf1"?

solid hinge
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Not put anything on dice for lying and hyping up nothing

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r/bfv is fucked

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Yeah r/bfv ruined battlefield guys

fleet bloom
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@wild crag looking for game channels

ivory acorn
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Chapter 4 was suppose to be the biggest turning point for this game because it was coming with a ton of new maps and weapons, but the devs blew it

wild crag
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battlefield 1 playees

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*players

solid hinge
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Dice and r/bfv are equally fucked tbh

gray saffron
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ohh, yeah check the looking for games channels. they're above the voice channels

solid hinge
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every single time someone in here even slightly questions Dice you feral animals jump in and start screaming about the battlefield subreddit

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jesus christ

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take your pills

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Questions valve?

gray saffron
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select either pc/xbox or ps4 for your desired group @wild crag

solid hinge
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What does valve have to do with this

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shit I mean dice

vale merlin
solid hinge
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On one hand you have a company tripping on their own shit and on the other hand a bunch of cavemen and weebs like ant

ivory acorn
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@steady nymph What did battlefield 5 do right besides the gunplay?

solid hinge
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So fucked either way

ivory acorn
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Please explain to me what they did right

wild crag
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thanks

fleet bloom
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is there a channel for actually discussing the game instead of this constant circlejerk of EA BADweirdChamp

solid hinge
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Yeah and the rest of us are just on the sidelines pointing and laughing

ivory acorn
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Because I’d love to hear your reasons for it

solid hinge
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Tbf^

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that has never happened because battlefield never did anything right

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bfv bad reeeeee

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Its been the same thing with every bf game

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Bf4 was bad bf3 was good

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You know why people only talk about bf5 bad

ivory acorn
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The best part about Bf5 fanboys is that they suck at defending the game

solid hinge
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Because theres fuckall going on

gray saffron
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just wait a bit @fleet bloom it usually dies down and then normal discussions happens again. xD

solid hinge
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Literally nothing else to talk about

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Then bf1 was bad bf4 was good

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If the pacific won’t save the game then they have to remaster bf3...

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literally what has battlefield V got going for it?

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Now bfv bad bf1 good

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genuine question

ivory acorn
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No one can explain why because the Bf5 fanboys don’t even know

solid hinge
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Bfv is a good game at its core

ivory acorn
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That means nothing if everything else is falling a part

solid hinge
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its a good game sure but that doesnt excuse it being down the shitter for 8 months

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Lol

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And when the next bf realeases, it will be bad and bfv will be good

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Tfw the ironsights on a Vickers dont load in so you have to spray and pray with a big fucking rectangle in the way

stiff sky
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tfw you come home from work at 20:30 . power up your pc. log in interent doesnt work at all. restart it few times. finally get something . log in to origin launch bf 5 and find out that axis offensive is a f*cking hat. youtubers says panzerbuchse is this week but no. apparently a hat is more of a weapon than an amr. look at xp rewards on tow.

ivory acorn
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Then get out Victor. If you can’t handle criticism over a game, then piss off

solid hinge
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Yeah its very cool to have that cool moment in between the hundreds of bugs that occur

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oh no, not people with different opinions...

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this is the end bros

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Hundreds of bugs?

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Tell me of one major game breaking bug

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End of what?

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Fucking npc

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Victors yet to say anything on why its a good game either

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What outweighs the bad

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i still get invisible people, the hitreg is wack, tanks have a Billion different bugs that get you killed, audio is fucked

ivory acorn
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This is why battlefield 5 is in this state. The devs don’t give a shit because morons are defending them.

solid hinge
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So we cant enjoy a game?

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Hitreg is such a pain in the ass

ivory acorn
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You can enjoy the game

solid hinge
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Whos saying you cant enjoy the game lmao

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Im sorry for not being a bandwagon npc

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Yup hitreg pisses me off

ivory acorn
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But don’t defend it from its issues

solid hinge
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you can enjoy whatever games you like, and we can shit on whatever games we like

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that's how the first world works

ivory acorn
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The fanboys that think there’s nothing wrong with the game are just as bad as the flat earth society.

gray saffron
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and we can defend on it too if we like ;D

solid hinge
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For now...

ivory acorn
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All this proof and yet they still deny it

stiff sky
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@solid hinge worst bug i have experianced multiple times now. is infinant bleed out screen. when the circle is done but some how someone tries to revive in the last split second and they die . you get stuck in bleed out screen only thing you can do is quit cant respawn

solid hinge
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Yeah you can defend the game

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If you look on the forums for a bit youll se that every bf game was called bad and its predecesor good

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@steady nymph 1. You didnt point anything but gunplay 2. Neither of us said the latter

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So keep riding your bandwagon as the npcs you are

stiff sky
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you can still be revived you can wait. but dam i give up when i wait past 4 min

ivory acorn
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@steady nymph I asked you what you like about the game and you didn’t say shit, moron

solid hinge
ivory acorn
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All you said was gunplay

gray saffron
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so much name calling

solid hinge
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Oh look at me calling people morons because they like the game i hate reeee

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You sad fool

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@solid hinge Looks like the windows are down on the DICEWagon so nobody can hear you chief OMEGALUL

ivory acorn
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I can tell Nine Merc isn’t even reading what I’m saying

stiff sky
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wtf does reeeeeee mean

solid hinge
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ah yes, the mindless consumer brand drone calling anyone else for an NPC

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Come back when you develop free will

stiff sky
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@solid hinge burnnnnnnnnnnn

solid hinge
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Ant why do you even talk youre a weeb ffs

ivory acorn
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@solid hinge you aren’t even reading what I’m saying, so go back and read it all again

solid hinge
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I am

ivory acorn
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I’ll wait

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No you aren’t

solid hinge
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I am

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I like the game

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you're absolutely seething right now

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!!r4 weenies

ruby trailBOT
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RULE #4:
Be polite and kind. Respect others if they have a different opinion. If you disagree with someone, you are free to do so politely, but don't make it personal and become hostile.

ivory acorn
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And I didn’t say liking the game made you bad

solid hinge
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@solid hinge Your argument revolves around calling people NPCs, maybe its time to call it quits and develop another argument

ivory acorn
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And yes

solid hinge
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Its more fun than any bf game ive ever played

stiff sky
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@solid hinge what does reeee mean

solid hinge
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How many hours do you have played @solid hinge

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And ive litterally said that dice are trash rn

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Afaik victor you aint a mod

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So take that cease and shove it up your ass

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@stiff sky a noise of anger and despair

ivory acorn
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And yes

solid hinge
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I’ll cease when ayla specifically says so

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Ive played 1942, 2, 2142, heroes, hardline, bf4, bf1 and bfv

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Over 2000 hours in total

stiff sky
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oh. ok i am extreamly underwemed. thought it was somthing more than that so oof basically

solid hinge
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I mean I didnt say anything rude until that comment

fleet bloom
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you should cease before a mod tells you to tbhweirdChamp

solid hinge
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Bfv is the best out of all of them

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And thats barely even rude like

spark path
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I`ve unlocked "Winterkrieg"-Headgear, and now i wait a week for the next ToW-Challenges -.-

solid hinge
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@solid hinge How many hrs in bf5?

stiff sky
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@solid hinge thanks tho. couldnt find it in dictionary XD

solid hinge
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400 in bfv

ivory acorn
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Good for you Nine Merc

solid hinge
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Speak for yourself @steady nymph

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Since beta about 500

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literally asking for the self destruct button

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Im about the same

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over 2000 in bf in general

spark path
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@solid hinge are that your Origin-Gamehours or in the profiel in bf5?

solid hinge
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@steady nymph Is that all you can say chief? Gunplay, bandwagon and now circlejerk?

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Profile im on ps4

stiff sky
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what are we talking about ?

solid hinge
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Idk at this point

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Victor is having a breakdown because people disagree with him

stiff sky
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yeah sounds like discord

spark path
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@solid hinge can you go into Battlefield -> Profile? There are the hours you was on a battlefield

solid hinge
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Think theres a command here too for stats

fleet bloom
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@stiff sky we are currently on the EA BAD topic

stiff sky
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ohh this again

spark path
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@ocean cave in battlefield 5

ivory acorn
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@steady nymph dude you suck at arguing because you can barely come up with any good points to your argument.

solid hinge
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I have 400 on bfv

gray saffron
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i think everyone is disagreeing with eachother xD

solid hinge
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thank god the guy with the cat pfp is gone

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dev rights extremists are not human

ivory acorn
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No one is calling you a moron for liking the game, you moron

gray saffron
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pfp?

spark path
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In Origin there are 265 Hours but in game at Profile there are just 167 hours

solid hinge
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@steady nymph One example from this convo of me calling someone a moron. And shove it up your arse not multiple

ivory acorn
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Because you’re acting like one right now

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And I did give my points. You just chose to ignore them

solid hinge
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What are you talking about @spark path

spark path
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@solid hinge about playtime in battlefield 5

solid hinge
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Later fella

ivory acorn
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Do it lol

stiff sky
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we still seeing a bar fight in typing right...... ?

solid hinge
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I have 400 hours

spark path
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Nice 😄

solid hinge
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Lmao that meme

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Literally victor

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2000 hours in bf

stiff sky
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i liike the gunplay. way better than alot of other shooters

solid hinge
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No you cant like bfv thats illegall

gray saffron
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i think you need to explain ti before you're allowed to say that here, matt ;D

solid hinge
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I like the gunplay too

ivory acorn
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That’s @steady nymph right there.

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I ask him what he likes about the game, but he only says gunplay and gets mad

solid hinge
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Whole point here I think was that for the majority of players the bugs are making the gameplay not fun to play

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And some people dont understand that

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Ok look

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Do you like bfv?

spark path
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today i played bf1 after 12 months and the gunplay is very bad because the shots dont go to this point where are you aiming at. BF5s gunplay is so much better

stiff sky
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way better than cod for example. wich is a game only has gunplay and thats pretty much it. so thats saying somthing . bf 5 wayyy better

solid hinge
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Do you like bfv?

stiff sky
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yeah

ivory acorn
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I like Bf5, but I see its problems

solid hinge
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Ahh shit

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Here we go again

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victor calm down ok

ivory acorn
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Nah let him get mad

solid hinge
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imagine having a nervous breakdown because someone on the internet didn't like the product you like

stiff sky
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@ivory acorn i like earth but i see its problems whats your point

solid hinge
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^^

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Lets actually talk like human beigns

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Can we?

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Allright so

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Can Victor is the question

ivory acorn
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I enjoy playing the game, but that doesn’t excuse its problems

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I do in my heart believe the dev team doesn’t care

solid hinge
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Same

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I disagree with that

ivory acorn
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I’m sick of seeing people, who like the game, defend it from its problems

solid hinge
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I think the devs who are in the trenches making the game care about it

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The higher ups see numbers

ivory acorn
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You can like the game, I’m not saying that you suck or whatever.

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No one is saying you can’t like Bf5

stiff sky
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i dont think so if they didnt care they wouldnt make more cosmetics nor would there be servers

solid hinge
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im not defending the game, i just think its way better than people say

ivory acorn
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But when you try and defend the devs yet you can’t come up with anything to defend with, that’s when I snap

solid hinge
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Im not defending the devs

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Theyre litterally pulling shit not even indie devs would pull

stiff sky
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yeah people .....well certain youtubers make it sound like the game is unplayable and its far from that

solid hinge
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Exactly

gray saffron
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game

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game's definitely better than what bfv's reddit is claiming xd

icy sluice
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Game is certainly playable and is a very enjoyable experience but there are... moments

solid hinge
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Exaclty

icy sluice
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But every game does have moments

solid hinge
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You cant say its far from unplayable though

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Because for many it is

icy sluice
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Ah, I've just remembered that CoD WWII still has that spectator bug lol

solid hinge
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Mmgs and the boys at are a bigger problem for me than any bug

icy sluice
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Campers are the least of my problems

solid hinge
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Its a combination of many things

stiff sky
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@gray saffron well of course reddit is for people that like shouting and complaining about everything cus they have nothing else to do

solid hinge
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Not only bugs

spark path
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I think BF5 makes fun althoug there is no much content

solid hinge
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That make it unplayable for some

ivory acorn
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My problem with Victor is that he blindly misses my points and ignores what I’m sayin

solid hinge
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I dont get any bugs tbh

ivory acorn
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Hence why I called him a moron

icy sluice
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I rarely get bugs

stiff sky
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i only see one

solid hinge
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I dont see that rev bug

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I come across a lot of random bugs everytime I play the game

icy sluice
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The one thing that does piss me off is the parrot cam spawning getting stuck

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Me?

gray saffron
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i hardly see bugs as well

solid hinge
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Just today hitreg was ass and lots of visual bugs like one guy had his 3d mesh glitch so it was like jumping up and down without animations

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you still haven't told us what's so good about it

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Bugs are nearly non existent on ps4

stiff sky
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well. that means you were revied at the last split second instead of the medic or squad mate dying

solid hinge
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seems like you're struggling

ivory acorn
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That’s not true Nine Merc

solid hinge
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Ant youre obnoxious

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and you're seething

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This is interesting tho

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Its like we have two extremes

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Im talking about the game

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Ant and victor

icy sluice
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In my 570 hours I've gotten like... 4 crashes but that was like 4-5 hour sessions

ivory acorn
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So am I

icy sluice
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The crashes could've been my xbox which is on it's side

fleet bloom
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can one of yall say a naughty word and get banned already so we can move onOkayChamp

solid hinge
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Disconnects happen to me a lot, server just throws out without warning

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I never get bugs personally

ivory acorn
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I get bugs

gray glade
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i rarely have any bugs or crashes tbh

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pc

solid hinge
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High ping players are epic as well

ivory acorn
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And I’ve been getting them for a while

solid hinge
stiff sky
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the body glitch when people hang from nothing then get revived as a static object sure its a bug but its soooo funny to see a player hover everywere

icy sluice
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Stutters also rarely happen which is a big surprise since I am just on a base Xbox One

solid hinge
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Like game breaking bugs are non existent for me

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Im on the S and there are frame drops from time to time

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They did seem to fix the kill stutters completely though

stiff sky
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for me its kinda hard to make out stuttering or lag

solid hinge
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Which is great

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"it just is"

icy sluice
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The 4.0 patch is where I got the most crashes tho

solid hinge
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alright, got it

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Ant

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I wouldnt say animations are that great

stiff sky
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i dont really get fps drops

solid hinge
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For fucks sake

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Sound design could be better too tbh

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Those are subjective tho

ivory acorn
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Damn Victor. It took you way too long to figure that out

solid hinge
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hey calm down

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let me have my laughs

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it's not that serious

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Youre obnoxious

icy sluice
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I don't see too much of a problem with the animations

solid hinge
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Animations are good

icy sluice
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Other than lifting your pinkie to reload the 12g Automatic OMEGALUL

solid hinge
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I reckon for me its more about how broken they can be

icy sluice
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Like a true BRIT

solid hinge
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Big man

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Like animations could use some polish

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There we are finally comunicating dudes

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Ngl seeing a tposing soldier scoot off is the funniest shit

fleet bloom
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takedowns on prone players take way too long with all the headbutting and banging so i just shoot them

solid hinge
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Its not a bug its asserting dominance

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T

ivory acorn
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They should remove the downed team mate animation from all classes except medic, because I don’t have to see my team mate rolling around on the floor when I’m playing Support

solid hinge
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I actually had a new animation I had never seen before where I slit the fellers throat

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Like the headbutt but just slit the throat instead

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Brutal

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Wow throat slit?

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No blood tho

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Wait does that exist?

gray saffron
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the new knife does that animation a lot more i think

solid hinge
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In bfv?

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Yeah apparently it does

stiff sky
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@icy sluice would love to see some sidarm and knife animations but since you cant get cammos and stuff on them guess theres no reason. altho the swichblade i mean come on . would love to see the switch blade word

solid hinge
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I used the shovel

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Yeah he was prone

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Came from behind and flipped him over

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SHOVEL THROAT SLIT???

stiff sky
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work *

solid hinge
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Man wish I wouldve recorded it

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Shovels hella sharp chief

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thats brutal af jesus

gray glade
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i wish i could throw my shovel like a spear

solid hinge
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WW1 they used em to cleave enemies to their heart

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Brutal stuff

stiff sky
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would be cool if we had the comedic hit in the face with shovel noise

solid hinge
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Good video from gun jesus on the ww1 weapons as well btw

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Gun jesus being forgottenweapons guy

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Ian

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well this is a nice conversation

stiff sky
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we know

solid hinge
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Some might not

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The more that do the better

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Spread the word of gun jesus

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Eh idk about winterkrieg

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I really want the torso tho

stiff sky
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@steady nymph thats the only thing that has pissed me off. promised weapons get yet more cosmetic bullsh*t

ivory acorn
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Winterkrieg’s headgear is cool and all

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But they’re gonna end up releasing the set soon

solid hinge
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I have like no patience but im doing ok with bfv so that something

ivory acorn
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I enjoy it with friends, because then we just bullshit around and laugh at the problems

solid hinge
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I wish they gave us winterkrieg for free to make up for the delays

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I do fine by myself

ivory acorn
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What system do you play on?

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And I do fine by myself but I prefer playing with other people

solid hinge
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Free? From 2019 DICE? I think Aliens visiting us would be more realistic

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true sadly

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Milsim in firestorm?

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Why not milsim in firestorm

ivory acorn
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The winterkreig set will be good with the wanderer helmet, but the only thing that sucks is that the set comes with a strapped helmet, so 2 helmets would look dumb

solid hinge
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Works quite well for a small team operation

stiff sky
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but hows the tow going to work with the weapons if its delayed. i know there is a gap from when chapter 4 ends and were chapter 5 begins was hoping for a thanks for sticking with us somthing thats were skins should be. i dont know how its going to work cus now we have one less week when the last 3 weeks were going to be weapons now only 2 weeks remain. would be nice to knw whats happening there

solid hinge
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Lmao

ivory acorn
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I wanna see how they do chapter 5

solid hinge
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A “thanks for sticking with us”

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Chapter 5 will probably have a big gun drop

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Where the joke of the year award at

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This man needs it

ivory acorn
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I doubt they’re gonna dump a bunch of cosmetics, guns, and vehicles on us.

solid hinge
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Like they need to add americans and japanese gear

ivory acorn
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Yeah

solid hinge
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I think DICE is of the mindset that you should be giving them an award for sticking with BF5 lmfao

ivory acorn
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And c96 carbine, but not now

solid hinge
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People forget that dice is working on an entire new theater rn

stiff sky
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@solid hinge yeah. they gave us a few free epic skins awhile back. there was a games com or somthing

solid hinge
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Ye promotional for ea play

stiff sky
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you know what i mean somthing for sticking with the game even through the difficult times.

solid hinge
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I want das panzerschreck

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Bitte

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I wanna be a panzerjager

ivory acorn
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The bazooka is gonna come soon

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You mean a panzergrenadier?

stiff sky
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want to be able to kill tank and burn enemies behind with the blast from the panzer shreck

ivory acorn
#

Yeah I hope the M1 bazooka is powerful

stiff sky
#

every one does already. nothing more scary than a noob with explosives@steady nymph

solid hinge
#

M1 bazooka and panzerschreck will only have like 2 rounds but deal like 40 dmg per shot

ivory acorn
#

I fear those moments where I push with the whole team only to realize I’m the only soldier alive

stiff sky
#

want to get that printed on a shirt

midnight nimbus
#

idk last time I saw panzerschrek stats, it was nothing special

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not worth over PIAT

solid hinge
#

Its not finished yet

stiff sky
#

would love to hit people with it as a melee weapons XD

midnight nimbus
#

yeah, DICE doesn't know how to do launcher variety at all apparently, so it's either gonna suck or be ridiculously good

solid hinge
#

Rember, the boys was a two shot kill a couple days before release

midnight nimbus
#

the history of BF launchers

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it wasn't

ivory acorn
#

I want the the Germans should have an armored car like the Staghound

midnight nimbus
#

it never was

solid hinge
#

it was

midnight nimbus
#

it was always OHK

#

brainlets can't read files

#

the damage never changed

solid hinge
#

its was an 2sk

midnight nimbus
#

brainlets forget that splash damage and impact damage stack

#

Boys can't OHK off impact damage alone, even today

solid hinge
#

And why do you feel like calling me a brainlet?

midnight nimbus
#

it stacks w splash to allow for OHK

ivory acorn
#

What? @steady nymph

stiff sky
#

oh my word. tfw you use panzerfaust on a tank on its side shoot the top of the engine at 90 degrees and do 3 damage no glancing blow just 3 damage like bruh

solid hinge
#

Yeah and why do you call me a brainlet?

ivory acorn
#

Yeah that would be interesting

midnight nimbus
#

bc you're wrong

solid hinge
#

So im a brainlet?

gray glade
#

wtf is a damn brainlet?

ivory acorn
#

I don’t think so

solid hinge
#

a dummy

ivory acorn
#

Actually I don’t think any mortars were confirmed

stiff sky
#

hmmmX2

gray glade
#

there was a leak one of those hand-hend mortars

solid hinge
#

Knee mortar was leaked i think

gray glade
#

but as we have learned, leak doesnt mean release

solid hinge
#

True

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Still

gray glade
#

i would like it anyways

#

could help get rid of campers

stiff sky
#

@steady nymph not when you get your mates together and you all use them on the same area

ivory acorn
#

They should add flamethrowers as a “fortification” buildable

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They spawn randomly on the map, and if you find it you can build it and get a flamethrower

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn not needed

solid hinge
#

Dont forget the einstoch and m2 are confirmed

ivory acorn
#

Actually

gray glade
#

get ze flammenwerfer!

ivory acorn
#

The Japanese and US should have exclusive gadgets

solid hinge
#

HANS

ivory acorn
#

The US get the flamethrower while the Japanese get the Lunge mine

stiff sky
#

only if i can shoot the fuel tanks or pressure tank and see an amazing boom burning close by enemy soldires and killing the weider

solid hinge
#

Germans have a flamethrower as well tho

stiff sky
#

weilder*

hybrid dock
#

flamethrowers should be a battle pick up, like bf4

ivory acorn
#

Well what gadget could be given to be British?

solid hinge
#

Einstoch is a fallschirmjager pistol flamethrower

hybrid dock
#

Einstossflammenwerfer

gray saffron
#

dead rat bombs for the brits!

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn doesnt matter both isdes will get it

solid hinge
#

Seen in chapter 4 trailer

stiff sky
#

sides*

ivory acorn
#

Assault should get the full auto c96 carbine

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn why

hybrid dock
#

"the disposable weapon fired a half-second burst of flame of up to 27 metres"

solid hinge
#

Its not like that ingame

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most weapons in games have their range significantly reduced

hybrid dock
#

i was more talking about the half of second

solid hinge
#

Einstoss is in the files fully working

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So should come soon

hybrid dock
#

and the welgun has a dogtag, where is that

solid hinge
#

idk

hybrid dock
#

so does the american lee enfield

midnight nimbus
#

y does everyone think more content will save this game

tawdry atlas
#

Only english?

solid hinge
#

S O O N

stiff sky
#

since we making suggesting for no reason. how about the ptrd 41 14.5 mm anti tank rifle

ivory acorn
#

M712 shnellfeuer? Is that the name of the full auto Mauser?

hybrid dock
#

yes

solid hinge
#

No no more anti tank rifles please

ivory acorn
#

Nah

stiff sky
#

yes one for every nation

hybrid dock
#

schnellfeuer just means rapid fire

ivory acorn
#

We still got the panzerbuche, and maybe the PTRS if the Russians get in

solid hinge
#

especially the ptrs dont add the ptrs for the love of god

stiff sky
#

they all had one that was used in the war except for the americans

solid hinge
#

A semi auto ohk? Hell no

midnight nimbus
#

WW2 Barrett

stiff sky
#

was a protoype not used

midnight nimbus
#

man if DICE actually wanted fun sniper rifles in their games

#

PTRS would be epic

hybrid dock
#

ptrd would be better

#

its one shot

#

no mags

ivory acorn
#

I’m close to getting it

solid hinge
#

Ptrs would the most op gun in bfv

midnight nimbus
#

PTRD would be lamer* ftfy

hybrid dock
#

everyone will cry over a semi-auto AT rifle

solid hinge
#

Im already crying over the boys and Panzerbusche

stiff sky
#

would love to use it. cant get blamed if people dont see you. its 2m long so thats their fault

midnight nimbus
#

people already cry over guns that aren't overpowered at all

#

like the Sten

#

who tf cares

solid hinge
#

😂

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Ohk is the epitome of op

midnight nimbus
#

breaking BFV might even make it more fun than its current state

solid hinge
#

For you

ivory acorn
#

There’s an AT rifle someone posted on reddit. It’s like this giant version of the Boys, and supposedly 2 guys had to carry it

spark path
#

Do you think we get next thursday the update?`

midnight nimbus
#

that's the problem with the "more content" fallacy

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn there were two like that no wait 3. they were all 20mm light cannon not realy a rifle

midnight nimbus
#

if the game isn't fun with its current content, how does new content that's balanced against the current content fix it?

solid hinge
#

Its fun

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If its not fun for you then dont play it

spark path
#

@midnight nimbus it makes very much fun

ivory acorn
#

@stiff sky yeah true

solid hinge
#

Right gtg brb

hybrid dock
#

BF5 is very much fun

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn well actually most of them were meant to be for a squad of 2

hybrid dock
#

but i want more stuff to play with

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so more content would make it more fun

ivory acorn
#

@stiff sky yeah I know

solid hinge
#

nice and full

stiff sky
#

as long as that content isnt cosmetics then yes@hybrid dock

midnight nimbus
#

the best games that are replayed the most often don't have a ton of content

spark path
#

More content would be nice but it makes fun without it too

solid hinge
#

If they add any more at rifles except the ptrs ill end myself

midnight nimbus
#

almost as if content isn't what makes or breaks the game

solid hinge
#

I meant ptrd

hybrid dock
#

RPD when

ivory acorn
#

Rpd would be a cool addition

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That and the As44

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn hmmmm. idea 20mm anti tank rifle fortification a scout and support must be bbuld it together for it to work

solid hinge
#

Rpd prob towards the end of bfvs life cycle

#

They said theyre gonna add prototype weapons

ivory acorn
#

@stiff sky that would be hard to do unless you do it with friends

orchid shore
#

Well, I lost hope Sad

hybrid dock
#

RPD is definitely not a prototype

orchid shore
#

It's about time I uninstall BFV and not reach level 40 for this ToW

midnight nimbus
#

any new vehicles won't be fun unless they break the formula and they're busted good

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn kinda the point. and dont think it should have a scope tho. cus well a tank is pretty big

ivory acorn
#

I just want the Sherman Firefly

orchid shore
#

they said something was coming out on Thursday and today is Thursday and we waited until

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"It was about the Trello board we're looking to launch tomorrow for the community."

hybrid dock
#

why did they change the vehicle spawning from bf4

ivory acorn
#

@stiff sky yeah true. That would definitely work out. Hopefully we get some kind of new turret buildable

midnight nimbus
#

BFV vehicles compared to BF4 are just embarrassing

hybrid dock
#

at least that fucking worked

midnight nimbus
#

you can't pick your vehicle

#

set vehicle types

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn wasnt that british version of a sherman. they took a sherman and put a 17 pounder in it

spark path
#

stop hate. if u dont like it dont play it and leave dis discussion

midnight nimbus
#

you can't pick an AA tank on a map without air

orchid shore
#

I think in BF4, you had ton of options to set up your vehicles

hybrid dock
#

i would like the choose a vehicle thing

orchid shore
#

and that too

ivory acorn
#

@stiff sky yeah it’s a british tank used by both the Brits and the Canadians

hybrid dock
#

but i hate how you do it in bf5

#

the UI nearly ALWAYS bugs out

midnight nimbus
#

eh, BF4 still had a few bad vehicle options

hybrid dock
#

i've never had the spawn UI in bf4 break on me

midnight nimbus
#

canister shot for LAV for example

orchid shore
#

I really didn't understand what was the point of picking AP rounds or sabot rounds haHAA

midnight nimbus
#

and yeah BF4 UI actually works properly

hybrid dock
#

I used sabot on my LAV

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn yeah. having mmg fortifications is . well theres no point. if you can run around with one and set up were you like. 20mm would be differant. sure we have at rifles but it would pack a mean punch and be usful

midnight nimbus
#

HE + Zunis man

#

who cares about killing vehicles when you can kill infy instead

hybrid dock
#

Railway

#

Firestorm

#

Caspian

midnight nimbus
#

I just play MAA on all those maps

hybrid dock
#

ah you are one of those pricks

midnight nimbus
#

delivering 30mm flyboy justice

ivory acorn
#

@stiff sky i think we need something big like the Flak 88.

stiff sky
#

wonser if a ship will be part of firestorm. like an aircraft carrier. go there to get planes

midnight nimbus
#

sending infantry back to the spawn screen

#

yum

hybrid dock
#

Sabot and TOW on LAV is great

#

TOW can lock on to laser targets

#

and sabot does more damage to vehicles

midnight nimbus
#

my favorite vehicles will always the the vehicles that are capable of engaging anything

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn lol. well we did have thoes massive gcannons in bf1

solid hinge
#

Sabot is great

midnight nimbus
#

MBT can't kill air unless the enemy pilot is an idiot

ivory acorn
#

@stiff sky yeah. They were exclusive to 2 maps though.

hybrid dock
#

so tank with HE with guided shell

#

can kill aircraft ez

solid hinge
#

They should add stationary heavy cannons

#

Like the 88

ivory acorn
#

Yeah

midnight nimbus
#

I've killed plenty of planes with tanks, doesn't make them good at it

ivory acorn
#

The 88 on a couple maps. It’ll make dealing with camping tanks a lot easier

solid hinge
#

tanks have killed my planes more than AA has

#

That fuction like the big boi guns on bf1

stiff sky
#

@ivory acorn i dont thin 88 would fit all maps. only big ones like hamada or aerodrone and arras is kinda pushing it but theres enough buildings for cover

solid hinge
#

Yeah only open maps

midnight nimbus
#

nah I'm talking about tanks in a BF game where they're actually fun

ivory acorn
#

Yeah that’s fine @stiff sky

hybrid dock
#

my Jav eats aircraft for breakfast

stiff sky
#

@solid hinge my at rifle has killed more planes than aa

solid hinge
#

I suck at bf4

hybrid dock
#

ive bought bf4 3 times

solid hinge
#

huh

hybrid dock
#

once on ps3

#

onces for my xbone

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and once for pc

solid hinge
#

Ok

hybrid dock
#

because it was genuinely a good game

#

i've always had fun with it

solid hinge
#

idk i prefer bfv tbh

midnight nimbus
#

BF4 MAA is the pinnacle of vehicle design

spark path
#

bf5 best battlefield since bfbc2

ivory acorn
#

We should get some AA machine gun emplacements

hybrid dock
#

obviously not because america doesnt even use the LAV-AD

warm atlas
#

I also like BFV much more than BF4

solid hinge
#

We need stationary ack ack on maps with planes

#

Bfv

#

Not flak

warm atlas
#

The only things I enjoyed about BF4 was the Phantom Program & Zavod Graveyard shift.

solid hinge
#

Ack ack

#

No

#

AA mgs

#

Like 8 heavy mgs in a turret l

ivory acorn
#

Yeah

warm atlas
#

Anything that can actually destroy planes cause god knows the AA cannons in V can’t.

ivory acorn
#

Or make it a gadget that Support can use

solid hinge
#

So we can get those iconic flying bullets in the sky

stiff sky
#

night. fellow gamers

solid hinge
#

I know

ivory acorn
#

Guys

#

Imagine if they added the maxim gun on wheels that the Soviets used

solid hinge
#

ooh spicy

ivory acorn
#

Imagine watching a player run around with a long rope that pulls a wheeled machine gun lol

solid hinge
#

Will it have friendly fire tho?

ivory acorn
#

Yes

#

Only for the Russian faction

solid hinge
#

Make way for the HotWheels machinegun

ivory acorn
#

The Russians are the only ones with friendly fire activated

#

But all jokes aside, the wheeled maxim gun would be cool to see. I just don’t know how they would implement it

warm atlas
#

I still want them to add the Bicycle with the Villar Perosa on it into BF1

ivory acorn
#

Give us lunge mines

warm atlas
#

Aren’t those the tank mines on a stick?

ivory acorn
#

Lunge mines should insta kill tanks if they connect

solid hinge
#

Can we get rape on nankin dlc

ivory acorn
#

It’s a long stick that Japanese soldiers rushed tanks with

warm atlas
#

Thought so

ivory acorn
#

At the end of it is a sticky mine, and they’d stick it to tanks and blow themselves up

#

It would be a fun away to destroy tanks

warm atlas
#

Just gimme the damn Limpet Charge back dammit

solid hinge
#

yeah its would be anoying for the tanker but its fair

opaque pawn
#

Anti tank spears

#

That would be badass

solid hinge
#

Lunge mines would probably not kill either person instantly

#

Its like jeepstuff

#

High risk high reward

midnight nimbus
#

only vehicle that comes close to BF4 MAA to me in terms of fun is BFH AH

warm atlas
#

I would say only make the lunge mine a one hit kill on tanks if you have to initiate like a bayonet Charge with it.

solid hinge
#

I imagine high damage to the tank and maybe some damage to the player

ivory acorn
#

Yeah

#

Other wise you just damage the tank and die

solid hinge
#

and make it usable on players

#

or just both die

#

i want an explosive bayonet in a gadget slot

warm atlas
#

Pokey pokey

#

Boom boom

solid hinge
#

for the emperor

#

ram lunge mine into someones neck
boom

#

the tags will rain from the sky

#

You have brought great dishnour to our nation

ivory acorn
#

ram lunge mine into someone’s neck
deal 54 damage

#

dies while the enemy player lives

solid hinge
#

Cool

hybrid dock
#

Russia should get T-90 AA

solid hinge
#

Whats that?

hybrid dock
#

a version of the T-70

ivory acorn
#

Anti air tank

solid hinge
#

Oh an aa tank

#

Sure yeah

hybrid dock
#

it was a prototype with mgs on it

ivory acorn
#

What if the Russians got bomb dogs

midnight nimbus
#

if it's anything like the rest of the AA tanks in BFV, it'll be horrible

solid hinge
#

Thats not gonna happen

hybrid dock
#

it was canceled for the ZSU-37

ivory acorn
#

I know lol

solid hinge
#

Peta will eat them alive

ivory acorn
#

Yeah

solid hinge
#

And i will be very sad :(

midnight nimbus
#

we need the return of the blessed BF4 MAA

#

ultimate shitter farming vehicle

solid hinge
#

Ok cool we get it bfv bf4 good jesus christ

midnight nimbus
#

it's not even that good

#

shitters just don't know how to deal with it

#

any competent pilot or driver can deal with it

ivory acorn
#

What if Dice gives us hints to the next game by adding weapons like the AR-15 and the MP5 to Bf5 Lmao

solid hinge
#

Nani

spark path
#

i think the next battlefield will be bad company 3 because there was a inoffical leak from the launch titles from the PS5

midnight nimbus
#

man I'm gonna play BF4 today and pray for Zavod

#

prolly the only map where MAA is actually OP

solid hinge
#

True

midnight nimbus
#

I've never played Zavod MAA and not had an absolute blast

#

if you sit in the middle of the map, you can spawn trap enemy helis

solid hinge
#

Exaclty

midnight nimbus
#

tfw you pop a transport heli full of people 😍

solid hinge
#

Also you can easily gun down infantry aswell

midnight nimbus
#

eh it's not that amazing against infy

ivory acorn
#

Makes me wish we got transports

solid hinge
#

its ok

stone plaza
#

zavod breakthrough with 5 MAAs vs 8 transport helis

#

😍

#

and you control all 5 MAAs

ivory acorn
#

Imagine sitting in the back of a German truck on Arras, and the truck in front blows up, so now everyone has to climb out and fight

midnight nimbus
#

BFV airborne but you can defend as BF4 MAA 😍😍😍

stone plaza
#

BF1 dreadnought was peak "broken vehicle"

solid hinge
#

:))

stone plaza
#

on cape helles ops

solid hinge
#

Not really

stone plaza
#

you literally camped 300m from the shoreline where nothing could hit you

#

two-shotting torpedo boats

#

you and two friends

#

all with MAIN GUNS

#

nuking infantry from your cosy boat

#

😻

midnight nimbus
#

not as broken as BF3 AH

stone plaza
#

yup

#

BF3 AH 0spread tapfire gun 😩

midnight nimbus
#

where your only counter was JETRAM

stone plaza
#

HOVERCAMP

spark path
#

nope bf5 is more fun than this modern shit

ivory acorn
#

What’s the new game mode about?

#

Oh

#

That’s interesting I guess

#

I didn’t notice because all I played today was devastation and Rotterdam lol

solid hinge
#

B L I T Z K R I E G

ivory acorn
#

They should give us a tank mode with AI soldiers

hybrid dock
#

one time i popped a full transport heli on oman with a jet at the beginning of the game

#

it was glorious

solid hinge
#

Same

hybrid dock
#

it looks fun

#

i'll definitely be trying it out

spark path
#

but CoD dont have levellution like in bf5 xD

ivory acorn
#

I played the 2v2

hybrid dock
#

BF5 doesnt have levolution

solid hinge
#

I didnt like 2v2 because i dont like small competitive games. The game looked solid and the gunplay was great so it should be fun

ivory acorn
#

The gunplay in cod is pretty good, but the 2v2 and hit detection isn’t all that good

spark path
#

destroying all of the houses and bridges and much more?! @hybrid dock

hybrid dock
#

thats not levolution

solid hinge
#

Thats destruction

#

Levolution is scripted

hybrid dock
#

thats destructive environments

ivory acorn
#

Only in ghost I believe

solid hinge
#

Ghost doesnt have shit lol

hybrid dock
#

levolution is destruction on a massive scale that changes the map and how it plays

opaque pawn
#

Yeah

spark path
#

@steady nymph last year the new feature was that u can destroy glass

solid hinge
#

Like a gas station you can blow up and a couple walls lol

hybrid dock
#

like floodzone, shanghai

#

locker

opaque pawn
#

Cod has never really done multiplayer map changes well

spark path
#

go away from me with bf4 lol

hybrid dock
#

yes

#

it does destruction very well compared to other game engines

lilac umbra
#

bf4 nailed it

hybrid dock
#

and its because of this that its very picky

#

and you do one thing wrong and it'll fuck up everything

#

thats why there is constant bugs

#

frostbite 3 is the newest one

#

it was released with bf4

#

all DICE games after bf4 has used Frostbite 3

#

BF3 was Frostbite 2

sonic rampart
#

Yes

hybrid dock
#

most likely?

sonic rampart
#

There is a hair trailer already

solid hinge
#

Cant wait to play conqu- i mean ground war on cod mw

sonic rampart
#

Lol

ivory acorn
#

We need war mode from cod ww2 to come back

sonic rampart
#

Nvm

hybrid dock
#

Frostbite has been updated

#

but not like

#

a major overhaul

solid hinge
#

I have a bug where I cant resupply my tank

hybrid dock
#

much like what valve did with source engine

solid hinge
#

jesus that took like 4 minutes

sonic rampart
solid hinge
#

oh and the teams are 12 to 21

#

yeah fuck that

sonic rampart
#

I remembered it wrong

hybrid dock
#

the 2004 source engine is different from 2007

#

much like frostbite 3 engine from bf4 is different from the frostbite 3 from bf1

sonic rampart
#

Imagine frostbite 4 and an actual good battlefield: bf6 a sequal of bf3 and bf4, where the devs took enough time and didnt rush the game

ivory acorn
#

Guys, what’s that Bren looking lmg from battlefield 1 called?

#

The chat?

sonic rampart
ivory acorn
#

It’s not the chauchat

midnight nimbus
#

every BF past BF4 has had levelution btw

#

levelution wasn't just the big destructibles

sonic rampart
#

Not really

ivory acorn
#

Oh yeah the Madsen lol

sonic rampart
#

Oh

ivory acorn
#

Idk why I thought it started with chat lol

midnight nimbus
#

it also referred to increased map interaction, especially indoors

#

so the flame projectors or mines built into BF1 maps

#

still levelution

sonic rampart
#

Meh

midnight nimbus
#

ladders/doors/elevators

#

still levelution

hybrid dock
#

ehhh

#

i guess

#

still its nothing like bf4's

sonic rampart
#

I would count the big air balloon or the war ship instead of that

#

And the train

#

I forgot all names lol

hybrid dock
#

on Altai Range there was actually supposed to be a snow storm

#

but it was cut

sonic rampart
#

I cant believe we couldnt climb before bf1

#

When returning to bf4 for example

hybrid dock
#

"In a blog post from DICE, it was revealed the weather station was planned to collapse as part of levolution but it was cut as it would apparently 'kill' gameplay in the area."

sonic rampart
#

They wanted us to be able to dig holes in bf1 I heard

#

(Prob from a Jackfrags vid lol)

hybrid dock
#

Dragon Pass, there was supposed to be a monsoon that would flood it, but it was cut

sonic rampart
#

They changed their mind and changed it into fortification in bf 5

#

They wanted to make night operations aswell

midnight nimbus
#

the big destructible events sucked anyways

north ravine
#

Being miners instead of soldiers GWjiangPepeThumb

solid hinge
#

Whats a moonsoon?

midnight nimbus
#

never really improved gameplay

hybrid dock
#

its what you would call a hurricane

solid hinge
#

Oh

midnight nimbus
#

monsoon = what you call a hurricane in the eastern hemisphere

hybrid dock
#

thats nearly word for word what was said in the bf4 campaign

#

lmao

#

when Pac asks Hannah what a monsoon is

solid hinge
#

She said typhoon

#

Not moonsoon

hybrid dock
#

hint, nearly

gray glade
#

i say moonmoon

solid hinge
#

soonsoon

#

Bfv rn

gray glade
#

my car goes vroomvroom

icy sluice
#

What word did I say was wrong there?

sonic rampart
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Mine Goes

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Boom boom

icy sluice
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alter

solid hinge
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Dice goes
Soonsoon

sonic rampart
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Picard have to Get a new one now

icy sluice
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comes down

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Oh

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Now I know what word was blocked

sonic rampart
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Which one

icy sluice
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Sky...

sonic rampart
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Down?

hybrid dock
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Silk road was supposed to have a sandstorm

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wtf

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WHY IS THAT BLOCKED LMAO

sonic rampart
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I guess you have to miss spell it

icy sluice
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Because the word inside of it meaning sexual assault/unwanted sex

hybrid dock
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skiscapper

sonic rampart
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Cause the word rap is in it

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Er

hybrid dock
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thats stupid

sonic rampart
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Stop

icy sluice
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That is discord TOS

sonic rampart
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Its going to the mods

icy sluice
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Can't really get mad at that

sonic rampart
solid hinge
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ok?

hybrid dock
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none of my other servers censor me lol

icy sluice
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Because this is partnered

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Well, verified

sonic rampart
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Verified

hybrid dock
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no, verified

icy sluice
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I just corrected it, you two

hybrid dock
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my partnered servers dont censor me

sonic rampart
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I didnt correct you

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I was just too slow at typing

icy sluice
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tmw a large building comes down so now less people are focused on that one thing and the map is now actually decent and playable

sonic rampart
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Lol

hybrid dock
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anyways, there was so much cool levolution that was scrapped from bf4

sonic rampart
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Kind of true

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Everyone was just chilling on there

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Who cares about the rest of the map

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building Goes down

midnight nimbus
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the Shanghai tower was nice

solid hinge
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tfw you bayonet charge a proned person and run over the top of them

midnight nimbus
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everyone was sitting in a nice and convenient spot for AH farming

spark path
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Battlefield 5 is nice

sonic rampart
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and they kill you after @solid hinge

solid hinge
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what is with the hitbox on this thing

sonic rampart
solid hinge
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it doesnt exist

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Help so much homework

sonic rampart
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I like it how I always die by shotguns and hidden people in marita OkayChamp

icy sluice
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12g shotgun has such a large 1 hit kill range

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I killed someone from basically down the street on Arras in one shot

sonic rampart
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Ye that happened to me aswell

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Only I was the victim

midnight nimbus
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only half of the OHK of BF3/4 shotguns :(((

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or actually 12G Auto is a bit over half

solid hinge
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12g with slugs or buck?

sonic rampart
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Operation locker shotgun

gray glade
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so often i see ppl complain about mmg users proning in bushes and other hiding places, but isnt it mostly a "hiding issue" ?

sonic rampart
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Ye

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I dont really get killed often by mmg players

fast gyro
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I play engineer full time

gray glade
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if i crouch in a corner and someone enters the room, i will prolly kill him if he is unaware, doesnt matter if i have mg42 or a shotgun

icy sluice
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I usually headbutt the MMG players

midnight nimbus
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slug OHK for the 12G Auto is either 8 or 9 meters

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or no, it's 10m

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1897 is 12m

sonic rampart
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I always aim at where a camper could be

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Sometimes still die tho

midnight nimbus
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buckshot OHK is ~16m depending on how well you center your shot

gray glade
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ppl gotta watch more movies man, in the movies they always check every corner when they assault something

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like swatting

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in bfv ppl just run around oblivious

solid hinge
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tfw 3 of your tanks on panzerstorm breakthrough are flakpanzers and then you get killed by a prone mmger proning inside a dead body that you stand on without realising he's alive

stoic breach
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😩

midnight nimbus
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probably bc irl awareness is better than BFV, because you have depth perception and working audio

sonic rampart
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Or

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Its irl and you dont want to die

midnight nimbus
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and because you can't respawn

sonic rampart
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So you dont run as an idiot

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Into the fire

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Smh

midnight nimbus
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well peeking fast > peeking slow in online FPS

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gotta get that peeker's advantage

solid hinge
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tfw the enemy team is 4 archers and about 5 iron sights boys AT users proned at random places in the grass

sonic rampart
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Just me or are boys at snipers always campers

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Sniping you in the middle of nowhere where you dont expect an enemy

stoic breach
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Camping is just the easiest way to use it

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For alot of people

sonic rampart
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Its not fun tho

solid hinge
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im the only person ive ever seen who hasnt been in the middle of nowhere

haughty pawn
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medic is the number 1 camper class

gray glade
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i never see boys AT users really, i mean, i could be lucky but on PC in europe they seem extremely rare, at least in breakthrough

stoic breach
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Smh, DICE balancing the only good bolt action by making it a pain in the ass to be aggressive with

sonic rampart
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Medic isnt the number 1 camper class

north ravine
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support is

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Especially with the new glitchs

sonic rampart
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Combination of every class

haughty pawn
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is see medics prone camping fucking everywhere LUL

sonic rampart
north ravine
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you can hide in a rock and kill half the server

stoic breach
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Prone medics wow

sonic rampart
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With suomis let me guess smh

solid hinge
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the only people on my team who can use a tank are the fucking flakpanzers and they're useless because they're flakpanzers

stoic breach
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Lol

sonic rampart
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Most of my deaths are suomis

haughty pawn
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zk mostly

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bipod

sonic rampart
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And the Same person

haughty pawn
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or mab

solid hinge
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You can't give people free choice of vehicle if you're going to make the majority of the vehicles ineffective vs other vehicles

stoic breach
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Your medics have truly awoken

haughty pawn
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or sten