How about this? Short range powerhouse anti-tank launchers for assault, while support gets the lesser damage, but more accurate and higher velocity Bazooka/Panzershreck?
#battlefield-legacy-titles
tribal cairn
tribal cairn
It fits into anti-tank support
solid hinge
that just gives support long range explosives
limber anchor
I want assault to be a rifleman class
stoic breach
They are already rifleman
limber anchor
Rifleman and anti tank lol
tribal cairn
Dynamite then
solid hinge
I dont think they need dynamite, I think they should have the limpet charge
tribal cairn
There's probably nothing we can do to get rid of the sheer amount of anti tank shit an assault have
limber anchor
It’s not good when every other class is one dimensional
solid hinge
Assault doesnt even have that much stuff it just has the only stuff that doesnt suck
Piat and dynamite
solid hinge
Tbh BF V is not dead, there are more BF V servers than BF 1 servers
limber anchor
The at class could have rifles but no scopes
tribal cairn
No, but it essentially has the only effective stuff
tribal cairn
Since one assault takes down one tank easy
stoic breach
Assault is already rifleman since the SARs are the best versatility pick for them
limber anchor
a rifleman should have the long range capabilities
tribal cairn
I say Recon gets dynamite, just like the rest of the BF Games
stoic breach
Assault has SAR with scopes up to 3x
tribal cairn
Without glare
hybrid dock
when 4 assualts try to kill ur tank but I have s-mine spec
solid hinge
With fortifications added I think assault should keep dynamite
stoic breach
AT and rifleman are combined to avoid class clutter
hybrid dock
ez kills
solid hinge
They need options to bust sandbags and shit
limber anchor
They should ads Bangalores to destroy barbed wire ad sandbags
stoic breach
Thats just dynamite
tribal cairn
They should then probably nerf the Panzerfaust and PIAT to account for them having more damage against a tank than a dedicated tank gun.
limber anchor
@tribal cairn agreed
tribal cairn
However,
limber anchor
Not really
stoic breach
Yes really
tribal cairn
I use the Panzerfaust over the PIAT, but alright.
limber anchor
It leaves the option for the bazooka and panzershreck to be better
stoic breach
But why would you want power creep
thats bad gadget design
if you could carry 9 Panzerfausts, there would be a utility case
limber anchor
If they were weaker I would agree
tribal cairn
That's what I said about the bazooka and Panzershreck,
limber anchor
Those should be good against light armor
tribal cairn
They need to be lesser damage,
But more range and Velocity
Essentially a critical-damage focused launcher
stoic breach
Panzerfaust is meant to be the ranged pick over PIAT, but it doesnt do enough impact damage
limber anchor
@tribal cairn that’s what I’m saying
tribal cairn
Requiring accuracy
solid hinge
faust sucks at everything other than ease of use
stoic breach
Yeah
solid hinge
it cant bust fortifications
stoic breach
Faust needs better impact damage
solid hinge
it has ridiculously slow reload
stoic breach
And like 9 spares
solid hinge
it has 0 splash
stoic breach
And it would be fantastic
tribal cairn
Alright, then nerf PIAT and buff Faust, agreed?
solid hinge
I would prefer Faust to be anti-tank focused and piat to be anti-infantry focused but both being passable at doing the other role
stoic breach
Instead of making shit more hype, things got weaker for "balance"
limber anchor
Well the piat is a borderline mortar so it should have more splash
solid hinge
At the moment the piat can do everything and the Faust can do one thing and it's not even good at it
tribal cairn
How about this,
Faust has penetration damage values due to its specialized warhead, enabling more damage against tanks,
limber anchor
Yes
tribal cairn
PIAT HE based damage can also do decent damage against tanks, but is mainly for infantry
stoic breach
Yeah, even though PIAT was supposed to be AT in real life, for the sake of gadget balance, its good for what it is
limber anchor
That’s how they should be balanced
solid hinge
Yeah
It just makes sense to have an anti infantry launcher and an anti tank launcher
stoic breach
yeah
solid hinge
Idk what the fuck the balancers are doing
stoic breach
But the AP launcher is better at AT than the AT launcher and has better utility
solid hinge
The piat isnt even anti infantry right now its anti everything
stoic breach
Like, Panzerfaust seriously needs like 9 spare launchers and it would be great
Haha
solid hinge
..the image of someone carrying 9 fausts is painful
stoic breach
But also delicious
Hype AT
I wouldnt even mind the lower damage if you could deal more of it
solid hinge
I wouldnt mind that after they add panzershreck and bazooka
Gimmicky mass ammo AT launcher
limber anchor
The bazooka was coming with 5v5
tribal cairn
Incase they don't change the damage values on the launchers,
solid hinge
But until they get added I dont want one effective launcher and one gimmick mass ammo one
tribal cairn
They should at least give Panzerfaust 4 barrels
stoic breach
Haha
solid hinge
DUAL FAUSTS
tribal cairn
So 4 shots
solid hinge
one for each shoulder
coral fiber
Oh no
tribal cairn
The ultimate soldier
stoic breach
Dual fliegerfaust
limber anchor
They do have that launcher that has multiple barrels
limber anchor
It’s in the files
stoic breach
Seriously though, Fliegerfaust for support would be good cause its AA denial
coral fiber
True
stoic breach
Its an inherently defensive tool
coral fiber
I don't mind dice adding it in
tribal cairn
Yeah it would, it would make sure low altitude bombers and fighters decide to fuck off
stoic breach
Yeah
limber anchor
It’s pretty much confirmed coming
stoic breach
Good infantry AA lets planes be planes and infantry be happy on the ground
solid hinge
I still want it on assault
limber anchor
It just doesn’t have animations yet
solid hinge
Giving it to support would give them explosives that aren't shit
limber anchor
Can we agree that they over nerfed ap mines
coral fiber
It should be in support
stoic breach
yeah since area denial
AP mines before nerf were definitely fucked but now they just shit
Wasted gadget pick
solid hinge
They either need to make them stronger or let you put 3 down at once currently
limber anchor
Would it be better if they activated slower and gave you time to prone over them
solid hinge
They busted them too much
stoic breach
Thats how they are now
solid hinge
They already made them activate slower
limber anchor
And buff the damage
solid hinge
You get one second to hit the floor
But you can just sprint past them and only take like 30 damage currently
limber anchor
They should be how they were in cod
solid hinge
They didnt boost the range enough to deal with the delayed activation
limber anchor
They are 1 hit but it gives you enough time to avoid it
solid hinge
I use them mainly for knowing when someones busting into my house when im mmging out of windows
I dont like them being one hits
limber anchor
I think they should be 1 hit or at least like 95 damage
stoic breach
If they had higher damage, like 60 or 70
limber anchor
And make it where you could only place 1 to avoid spamming
limber anchor
People would still bitch about them
solid hinge
I wouldn't mind significantly higher damage on them but not one shot kills
rare you get kills with them at all now
limber anchor
Yea I stopped using them entirely
solid hinge
I use them cause AT mines are shit and if I'm defending the AT pistol is also shit
coral fiber
Air melee takedowns
spiral trail
stoic breach
Airsassination
coral fiber
Now that sounds interesting
coral fiber
TM
solid hinge
Placeholder animations my fucking ass
coral fiber
Yeah
solid hinge
They dont even have a back prone bayonet animation
tribal cairn
Just rip the propellor off and B.J Blascowicz some poor bastard
limber anchor
At this point I just hope the pacific is good and we get some US vs Germany maps
solid hinge
Like that's just straight up not a thing
limber anchor
Really?
gray saffron
CHAAARRRRGGGE *proceeds put away the rifle with bayonet to slowly choke the guy from the back
limber anchor
Lol
solid hinge
If you bayonet someone on their back it does the longass animations
Which gets me killed
limber anchor
I like the prone melee animations though
solid hinge
I dont want to spend 5 hours slapping some dude on the ground
Put the bayonet through his eye and move on
limber anchor
Definitely the headbutt
solid hinge
But like tactically faster animations are actually good
limber anchor
Before he got his brain scrambled by a cricket bat lol
tribal cairn
I wanna gauge someone's eyes out
Just add more and more fucking horrifying melee animations
ionic girder
@solid hinge cough Why I don't like the executions in MW. cough But, in it's defense, it's too new to tell currently what that is really going to be like.
limber anchor
MWs takedowns look terrible honestly
limber anchor
Bf3s were the best
ionic girder
Lol.
solid hinge
Yeah
ionic girder
Understandable.
stoic breach
Emphasis on fast
limber anchor
Tap melee for fast kill hold for longer animation would be good
solid hinge
In reach you could just slap them in the back for instant kill or do a like, 2 second head stab
Style and Function
The backprone animations are all way too long
limber anchor
I like them tbh
solid hinge
I like them theoretically but there is almost ALWAYS someone nearby
who shoots me
sneak up on someone proning to get a silent melee kill
they turn around just before I do it and turn it into a backprone melee execution
their teammate has 3 seconds to shoot me before I even kill the guy
tribal cairn
I just wish the takedown hitboxes were better because I always just hit the guy for 50 damage
solid hinge
I gave up on using heavy melee
The knives have SO much better takedown range
Its fucking ridiculous
Heavy melee is for like
Actually meleeing someone
Knives are for takedown
limber anchor
That should be a risk though
stoic breach
I wish the throw knives got unpatched
limber anchor
You should be at a disadvantage for melee
solid hinge
If I melee someone they should at least die immediately
Every other melee animation has them dying
stoic breach
Risk is only acceptable with an equal and proportionate reward
solid hinge
Right at the start of it
limber anchor
They usually do die right at the start
solid hinge
The backprone animations dont even kill them for 3 seconds
ionic girder
MW2 melee. swipes dead immediately
solid hinge
You bash them against the ground but they dont die until you do the head slam
stoic breach
The risk to kill one person with a 3 second long melee anim is attrocious
limber anchor
@ionic girder lunge 30 feet to knife them lol
solid hinge
I do suicide bayonets a lot because I know I can get a confirmed kill out of it
Even if I go down I've forced an enemy into an unrevivable 10 second delay until they spawn
solid hinge
When my bayonet rush turns into a backprone execution
limber anchor
But melee should be a last resort thing you do have a gun for a reason
solid hinge
limber anchor
stoic breach
That may be the case, but theres barely any reward for the risk
Technically if its discouraged, its fine
But the animations are meant to encourage people
They're meant to look cool
ionic girder
Lol, I don't usually bayonet, so I haven't noticed. I would imagine the transition looks horrible. Bayonet charging and a random jerk to backprone melee anination.
limber anchor
Not in battlefield lol
solid hinge
If I sneak up behind someone I can take them out without it being heard
stoic breach
Or if you use a throw knife and cut the risk entirely
limber anchor
There’s a map and they see exactly when their teammates dies
stoic breach
Or I suppose small risk for small reward
honestly, the minimap doesnt have enough information
limber anchor
I don’t care for the minimap tbh
stoic breach
It should show markers for where people have fired guns, but delayed so they only get fucked if they're camping
Yeah I dont blame you for not caring when its pointless right now
Even the compass you can barely see
ionic girder
Then the COD guys for MW are screaming for a minimap.
stoic breach
Like, all this shit about making a tactical game and you can barely fucking see the compass
limber anchor
I like what MW is doing with the minimap but I don’t think it will work for cod
stoic breach
Yeah CoD needs a minimap for bigmode
No minimap for 2v2 though
That kinda stuff is alright
Actually, maybe if there was casual and competitive
Cas 2v2 with minimap, and curated comp without it
limber anchor
Bf could work without a minimap but there needs to be some massive changes to the game
tribal cairn
Man, for a first match of squad conquest, that really fucking sucked. We had a bad tanker vs a competent one, our bad tanker decided to ditch his tank, and the enemy had two tanks and two objectives
stoic breach
BF without minimap needs glowing orange playermodels like Titanfall 2
Titanfall 2 you barely need the minimap
BFV also needs good visibility and 3D spot
limber anchor
I like it
limber anchor
Good it’s called hardcore for a reason lol
tribal cairn
90 percent of the time, there's also about 15 one shot kill snipers
stoic breach
I mean
solid hinge
@stoic breach the knives dont give me tags..
stoic breach
Compared to SLRs in hardcore, bolt actions would still be pointless
tribal cairn
True, and ZH-29 would definitely be a beast in hardcore
stoic breach
Hardcore MMG camping with literally no counters 😩
Big brain weapon balance
SLRs with infinite OHK and semi-automatic
limber anchor
A grenade launcher to the face is a pretty good counter
Along with every assault class weapon lol
limber anchor
The m1a1 has shit range tho
stoic breach
Not in hardcore it wouldnt
limber anchor
CFC it would be good though
solid hinge
OHSK 450rpm AGM
limber anchor
Cqc
limber anchor
The damage drop off on the m1a1 is huge
It does like 20 damage at range lol
I’m assuming the health would be at 60 so yea
stoic breach
In hardcore, the M1A1 would kill up to 50m in two shots
Anything past 50m is a waste of time because the average engagement distance is 30m
limber anchor
The maps I would play on it no one would use it
stoic breach
Oh yeah as a little tidbit as well, MG42 in hardcore would only allow someone 0.1 seconds of reaction time
limber anchor
I never said hardcore was balanced lol
faint spindle
Hardcore isnt really about balance, it favors realism.
limber anchor
Yea I never use bombers unless I’m on the German side
solid hinge
It only favours realism in the sense of "bullets kill peopel"
faint spindle
Exactly. All weapons have low ttk.
limber anchor
Have you played insurgency sandstorm lol
limber anchor
That game has a brutal ttk lol
solid hinge
and no gunner upgrade
limber anchor
One hit kill to the chest sometimes lol
faint spindle
Yes. More like Arma 3 HC. 1 bullet hits you in a vital area and your dead.
coral fiber
JU 88 ftw
Even tho i hate bombers
limber anchor
I can’t wait till it releases for console
It will probably get delayed until early next year
faint spindle
I just dont like the floating doritos BF normal mode introduced. Seems so cheesy.
Pun intended
limber anchor
It could come November or December though
faint spindle
I play mainly bf4 still. But only play normal mode when I have to. Not just for weapon power but because I despise the floating doritos above the enemies heads.
solid hinge
Bfv has no doritos
faint spindle
Not that I've seen. Or maybe I just havent noticed.
faint spindle
I havent got to play BFV yet. I try to wait for them.to get the bugs worked out first before I play a game.
limber anchor
@faint spindle wait until pacific comes out
faint spindle
Seems 5 is taking a while. Lol
faint spindle
Lol I do now. Took me a minute Victor. It's still early, havent finished muh coffees yet
Yes. Plural. Lol
Who doesnt drink multiple coffees in the morning?
Early morning aimbot. 😂
Well. He should try 2. Lol. I'm probably as old as your dad as well.
40+
Oh yea. Been playing since bf : Vietnam. And not the remake
Of course I have a job. Lol
I've been a gamer since I can remember. I dont drink or party. I work and play video games.
That's cool. What grade if you dont mind me asking?
limber anchor
Lol
faint spindle
Understood
coral fiber
If crash landings were in bfv i wouldn't mind being shot down all the time
limber anchor
I just graduated from high school last year
coral fiber
Graduating this year
limber anchor
But I’ve been playing bf since bad company 1
faint spindle
Completely understandable Victor.
coral fiber
But i would love me being shot down in style
limber anchor
You crash but survive basically
Like the trailer
Not just slamming into the ground full speed though lol
faint spindle
Where if the cockpit didnt take direct damage or the player model, you could technically survive if you could skid to a landing?
coral fiber
Yeah
limber anchor
That would be hard to code and I don’t think dice could do it lol
stoic breach
If you land the plane
coral fiber
Say like you engine is busted and you have to land it somewhere in the map
faint spindle
Just make the plane much harder to keep straight once shot down, but good pilots could manage to save it and land flat
latent bridge
Wasn't crash landing like in the reveal?
coral fiber
Technical restrictions from what i heard
latent bridge
I was hoping for body dragging
solid hinge
same as the supposed mission generator for combined arms
solid hinge
they said "check this cool shit out" and then went "we cant do this lol my bad"
limber anchor
Frostbite 3 is a mess
stoic breach
Yes when a game has bad management, everybody misses out
Thats why almost 100 employees left DICE
orchid shore
it's about time to make frostbite a open source engine
faint spindle
Even if you have very talented developers, they are still held back by bad management
faint spindle
Because of bad management?
stoic breach
That and the fact that the vision for BFV wasnt one that alot of the dev team shared
BFV was practically envisioned as this "hardcore, tactical" game by people who had no idea of the kind of game they were making
Basically, when you put people in charge who dont actually know what to do you get BFV
faint spindle
Management will always lean towards sales, no matter the downfall to the gameplay. Devs tend to prize gameplay over the amount of money made.
stoic breach
In charge of people who actually know what they're doing
No, its not about money
That doesnt really matter
faint spindle
Somewhere, deep down, it's always about money.
stoic breach
DICE is run by nepotism and favours and shit
Well not favours
But like, newer staff dont get much say and shit
faint spindle
Devs ask to implement something that would be really cool but its struck down due to financial concerns .
faint spindle
Too much time to implement vs cost raise in game pricing.
stoic breach
BFV failed because the game the directors wanted to make wasnt a game the majority of people wanted to play
faint spindle
Yes, they go off of analytics, what they perceive will sell. Devs tend to lean towards what will make a great game. Or what hasn't been done bwfore
stoic breach
They arent happy in their jobs because they got forced to make a game they knew would suck
faint spindle
^^
stoic breach
The devs didnt get much creative control
limber anchor
Bfv mostly failed because of the marketing and direction they went
faint spindle
Bingo
stoic breach
People who knew what they were doing didnt get as much say in the matter
limber anchor
People wanted a world war 2 game and I doesn’t feel like one
stoic breach
BFV could've been marketed better and by the time the game released, players would still be disappointed
faint spindle
They tried to make a old school game with new age mechanics. They dont always fit.
stoic breach
Haha yeah not many people really seem to understand that BFV has alot of conflicting game design
faint spindle
Plus, consumers are a-holes for the most part.
stoic breach
Like the piss-easy shooting mechanics vs giant open maps
Hamada could pass as a 1942 map
limber anchor
The gunplay isn’t the problem lol
stoic breach
Doesnt really equate to good infantry gameplay though
limber anchor
Most maps suck because they are either to big or too small
stoic breach
Also because they're just awfully designed for the most part
limber anchor
They focus on infantry instead of combined arms
faint spindle
The original.Bf games maps were huge battles. I remember sniping from 1500 meters out, still well in the play area. Now that's farther than the entire map
limber anchor
Most of the maps lol
stoic breach
Nah
Galicia was shit
yeah
Verdun Heights
Fucking awful map
Fuck Verdun
Also Sinai was shit on conquest
Suez was shit on conquest
limber anchor
Bf3 has the best maps in the franchise imo
limber anchor
Definitely the dlc maps
faint spindle
I liked BF3s big maps. Especially with the tank dlc. They weren't huge, but were much bigger than the rest
limber anchor
@faint spindle bandar desert is one my favorite maps of all time
faint spindle
Mine as well
limber anchor
Deathl valley was nice
stoic breach
Ironically, if Galicia was bigger and was in BFV everyone would praise it
faint spindle
I didnt like the blue filter on DV. Other than that it was a great map
stoic breach
Amiens was so good
Best map voted by community for a reason
While I dont think its the best map
limber anchor
Amiens is overrated
faint spindle
Someone needs to remove Dices filter selection.
stoic breach
Great medium sized map
limber anchor
My number 1 map is probably caspian border or metro lol
faint spindle
Blue doesnt mean dark and orange isnt sunlight. Lol
limber anchor
Yes
stoic breach
God Caspian Border would be great in operations
gray saffron
just use nvidia game filter if you dislike the colour of a map ;D
stoic breach
In breakthrough
limber anchor
That’s tough
stoic breach
I've only played the BF4 version
limber anchor
I like both
stoic breach
And it was kinda sucky
limber anchor
But bf3 is classic
stoic breach
Cause it was just a fuckhuge conquest map
limber anchor
Nah it’s perfect lol
faint spindle
Gulf is ok. Except for the spawn in the ocean. That was a tough downfall to recover from.
stoic breach
Yes because players love ring around the rosie on giant maps while running into max 3 players every minute
Great fun that is
faint spindle
Ru had tanks from the start. Us had to capture the first spawns to get tanks
limber anchor
I like stuff like that it gives the map more story if that makes sense
stoic breach
Like the planes over Amien
limber anchor
It makes it feel like a real battle
stoic breach
Like the entire german half of St Quentin's Scar
Like the entirety of Paschendaele
All feel like wartime
limber anchor
I barely played those maps so I wouldn’t know tbh
faint spindle
Damavand peak was one of my favorite Bf maps of all time.
limber anchor
That map was great definitely on rush
faint spindle
I wasnt huge, but it was diverse.
limber anchor
That BASE jump was the best
faint spindle
Oh yes..
faint spindle
But the rocket spam was atrocious. Lol
limber anchor
Lol
There was another map I liked I can’t remember the name of it though
It was sharq something
opaque shadow
has someone a list of all soldier cosmetics ???
limber anchor
It was a dlc map
faint spindle
Sharqi was a great map 2
faint spindle
Sharqi peninsula
opaque shadow
there was a bf wiki with all but cant find it
faint spindle
I like maps where you can play as anything and still be effective. Not doing well as a tanker? Switch to infantry and cap flags.
limber anchor
@faint spindle I mostly like the big vehicle maps
That’s why panzerstorm is my favorite bfv map
faint spindle
I hope they hurry up and iron out BfV. It sounds neat. I just dont wanna deal with the frustration of bugs everywhere.
And lack of features it sounds like
limber anchor
I’m on Xbox so I don’t have any of those problems tbh
faint spindle
I'm garbage with a controller or I would play on console
stoic breach
Even if BFV had no bugs it would still be shit
faint spindle
Wake was cool too. That was a bf2 map iirc
stoic breach
Everyone just loves spawning in with half their ammo right
faint spindle
O wow...its like that huh?
stoic breach
Everyone loves not being able to regen to 100hp without a medic
limber anchor
You spawn with pretty much all of it lol
stoic breach
No you dont
limber anchor
You only miss like 1-2 mags lol
stoic breach
Guess these soldiers werent trained to carry all of their ammunition?
limber anchor
It’s not even a factor anymore
stoic breach
They left their ammo at home?
limber anchor
Soldiers can only carry so much
faint spindle
Did they add horses to bfv as well? Please say no
limber anchor
No horses lol
stoic breach
Real soldiers would carry more primary ammo than pistol ammo
limber anchor
It’s world war 2 they would get slaughtered haha
stoic breach
In BFV, if you pick a bolt action and a revolver, theres no reason to use the bolt action
limber anchor
What?
stoic breach
Because the revolver has a fuck ton of ammo
faint spindle
Oh my... that sounds bad.
faint spindle
Can u steal ammo from downed players?
faint spindle
I guess I should just buy it and see.
stoic breach
Yes its super helpful to kill someone 30m away and not be able to run to him and get his ammo without risk of getting shot
stoic breach
Remember when attrition was worse lol
stoic breach
You literally only spawn in with 2 extra full reloads
faint spindle
I dont mind snipers. Or camping. It's part of warfare. I dont like to play that way, but enjoy killing them. Lol
stoic breach
People complain about the Boys AT and then proceed to camp with a bolt action
limber anchor
@faint spindle the only real problem with camping is guys with MMGs but even that’s overblown
stoic breach
faint spindle
Good ole bush wookies
limber anchor
The boys isn’t even that good lol
stoic breach
MMGs are only a problem because you cant see them
limber anchor
You can see them easily most of the time
faint spindle
Scope glint? Or nah?
stoic breach
Boys is only the best bolt action in the game, but I suppose thats not a high bar to pass
limber anchor
No it’s not lol
stoic breach
It is
limber anchor
@faint spindle on snipers yes
stoic breach
Its the only bolt action that comes close to the weapon design of the rest of the game
limber anchor
It’s only viable within 100 meters lol
stoic breach
Yes its only viable in the range you can be most useful to your team
limber anchor
The bullet drop and bullet velocity is shit lol
stoic breach
Then dont camp past 100m?
limber anchor
And it’s clunky af
faint spindle
The best gun in the game to me is the one I can use most efficiently. It doesnt matter its stats. It can be the most op gun in the game, but if I cant hit with it, it might as well be a revolver.
limber anchor
I don’t use it lol I use the kar or ross mk3
stoic breach
Ross doesnt have straight pull on every scope
Kar fires slower than Krag with the same bullet velocity
faint spindle
It's still weird seeing assault as an actual "assault" class and not as medics.
stoic breach
Medics should've gotten assault rifles in BFV
limber anchor
I disagree honestly
gray saffron
using a scope on ross is useless :3 i use the ross like my bayonet enfield. close, ironsights only and agressive
faint spindle
Like the m40a5 in bf4 . I used it as my aggro recon weapon. Red dot ftw.
gray saffron
slrs on medics would get you the medics from bf1. they'll never revive again
stoic breach
You'd be surprised
limber anchor
They shouldn’t have access to scopes though
stoic breach
Medics in BF1 have better potential than BFV
Also assault rifles are inferior to SARs at every range except under 10m
faint spindle
Wait... medics actually revive people in bfv?
limber anchor
Yes
gray saffron
more than in the previous bfs
limber anchor
Shocker right
stoic breach
Yeah it is shocking
Considering how much more easily you can get killed while reviving
limber anchor
They have smgs so they have to be on the frontlines
faint spindle
Medics in 4 just spammed noob tubes and dropped medkits for themselves. Lol
stoic breach
Yes give the class with infinite healing SMGs right
limber anchor
@faint spindle yep lol
stoic breach
Totally not unbalanced in CQB
limber anchor
Smgs are shit though for the most part
stoic breach
yes past 15m they are
limber anchor
But they’re smgs they are supposed to be good in cqc lmao
stoic breach
Thompson with 900rpm plus self healing is godly in the right hands
gray saffron
it's balanced. take them out from medium or long range. medics with smgs should dominate cqc
stoic breach
But why
limber anchor
@gray saffron thank you
faint spindle
That sounds like a good range for medics tho. They should be front lines and need a cqc weapon.
stoic breach
Why give the class with infinite self healing (with no cooldowns) SMGs
They run into enemies, win a gunfight, and heal
limber anchor
That’s what always happens with medics lol
faint spindle
So give them a bolt? So they are in close combat with a bad weapon ?
stoic breach
Because theres no punishment for CQB medic
limber anchor
Lol
faint spindle
That seems worse.
stoic breach
SMG for assault, lose at CQB for being a shit medic
gray saffron
because they're on thefrontlines. they're gonna get shot a shitton due being in the bullet hell. an assault has more range and can hang back a bit, doesn't have to heal people lying in the open
limber anchor
No that ruins the class
stoic breach
Medic should be a versatile pick
Not a CQB god that nobody wants to play on large maps
faint spindle
But they aren't supposed to be mid range fighters? They are meant to be in the trenches, saving people.
gray saffron
they're not invincible, medkits don't heal instantly. you can still take em down with 2 shots or 3.
stoic breach
Medkits heal fast enough where you can win a 1v1 and be good
Mid range medic makes more sense
faint spindle
Disagree
gray saffron
totally disagree
faint spindle
That's their job?
gray saffron
yeah and what do people do when they get a mid range gun? hnag back a bit. and thus never get any way near people that need revives
stoic breach
Medic's job is to die?
limber anchor
Giving them rifles would make them better fraggers lol
gray saffron
just look at when the carbines were introduced
stoic breach
While assault has more ranged options?
gray saffron
just people sniping and less reviving
stoic breach
Yes carbines are so popular right
faint spindle
On the frontlines yes. Dying is a part of frontline fighting
limber anchor
A medic is supposed to risk his life to support his team
stoic breach
No
He's supposed to support his team without dying like an idiot
And revive safely
faint spindle
You're blending classes.
limber anchor
Lol
stoic breach
So medic running into a fight before an assault makes more sense than an assault dying before a medic
When assault cant revive and medics can?
limber anchor
A medic is a support class
faint spindle
Why not give sniper launchers? I mean what if they encounter a tank by themselves.
limber anchor
He’s supposed to support other infantry as best as he can
limber anchor
That means pushing the objective with them while keeping them alive
stoic breach
And that makes more sense than assault pushing an objective first
limber anchor
He’s supposed to be in close proximity with his teammates
gray saffron
^
stoic breach
Yes, he is
faint spindle
If you give medics any kind of ranged weapon, they will no longer be medics. They will stay back and frag while healing without helping revive. Guaranteed
limber anchor
Not 100 meters away with a rifle
stoic breach
Vs right now
100m lol
Right now medics are the ones best suited for running into an objective
Without help from teammates if its close quarters
With no cooldown on self heal
limber anchor
They are best suited for cqc gun fights and supporting the team
stoic breach
No other class can self heal more than once when medic can
faint spindle
Like in 4. Once medics could have dmrs they would plop a med kit down, sit on it and shoot like recons. Not a single revive happened .
limber anchor
That’s why he has smoke launchers and grenades
gray saffron
tbh assaults can also have infinite self heals, just be near a medic. but if medics are camping 100ms away, no self heal for assault ;D
limber anchor
He’s supposed to help push the frontlines and keep his teammates up and healed
What else should smokes be used for lol
stoic breach
Yes, assault rifle medic is better suited for that
faint spindle
Again. Disagreed
stoic breach
Help the team while not getting shot at because of the extra range
faint spindle
Agreed. Lol
limber anchor
I just don’t see your argument
stoic breach
The argument is that SMG medic makes no sense
solid hinge
that was quick
limber anchor
Give medics mid to long range weapons so he’s away from the frontlines like I don’t see how that makes sense
coarse thunder
Bf1 nostalgics lol
limber anchor
Lmao
stoic breach
The frontlines isnt a distance of 5m you know
You assume medics would camp with assault rifles at range and not help the team
When medics right now are better suited to 1v1s and… not helping the team
limber anchor
That’s exactly what they will do if the both have SLRs lol
gray saffron
how are they better suited for 1v1, when you established a medic with smg is rather unbalanced for cqc? ;D
would make more sense for them to have a smg then for cqc non? :3
limber anchor
That’s like giving medics MMGs
stoic breach
Its not
limber anchor
Like all they would do is camp
coarse thunder
Or even the slower firing 32 round smgs can do work
limber anchor
They weapon types determine how a class would play
stoic breach
Medic is more suited for 1v1 in CQB because of the weapon type and self healing
Yeah, since weapons determine how the class plays, why is the thompson so popular for medic
Because it melts people
limber anchor
The Thompson isn’t even the most popular weapon lol
stoic breach
So popular = the most popular ?
limber anchor
It’s the zk-383 and the Suomi
stoic breach
lilac umbra
these challenges were you need to kill ppl while attacking objective are worst
limber anchor
I disagree
gray saffron
suomi is similiar to thompsont hough
lilac umbra
sumoi gun has so much recoil
limber anchor
The Suomi is easier to use
stoic breach
How would you even know what the most popular weapon is
limber anchor
The tommy is useless outside of 15 meters
stoic breach
Same with the other SMGs because of the damage model
stoic breach
Same with the suomi because of spread
solid hinge
assault getting smgs just doesnt make sense
the only ones they'd use are Thompson and suomi
stoic breach
Yeah thats cause they're some of the best SMGs
limber anchor
He’s arguing that medics should get SLRs lol
stoic breach
Yeah I said SLRs lol and not assault rifle multiple times?
Good job caring enough to read
sleek trail
Fjell, how to ruin a good map with planes 😂😂 can't even counter them
limber anchor
Well you made it seem like you were talking about SLRs
stoic breach
Assault rifle, AR, I'll clear this up now then
sleek trail
Bf1 had decent aa, wtf dice
stoic breach
I'm talking about assault rifles and not SAR(SLR)
SAR is better suited towards assault anyways
solid hinge
BF1 AA was stupid
faint spindle
I still think it would change medics gameplay immensely.
solid hinge
it would kill the plane in 2 seconds
limber anchor
I think smgs fit the play style better
stoic breach
Right now they do because theres no cap on self heal
Self heal is what makes SMG medic so potent
faint spindle
I'm just using older games as a reference. Once medics got ranged weapons, revives stopped.
stoic breach
If there was a cooldown on self healing like in BF1, the ZK would be a much more popular pick
sleek trail
Typical dice going from one end of the spectrum to the other
stoic breach
Because of the extra range
AR in BFV isnt set up to be a sniper or anything, its extra range for extra versatility
It gets beaten by SAR at range and SMG in CQB
limber anchor
What assault rifles?
stoic breach
SMG assault would counter medics in CQB because medic is a support class, not aggressive
All of them
faint spindle
If they can sit back 100m from the line and shoot. They will.
limber anchor
Not for SLRs lol
stoic breach
Yeah thats SLRs though
Btw, SLRs are the 2BTK recon weapons
SARs are the 3BTK assault weapons
SAR effectiveness probably goes up to about 50m before it purely becomes a waste of time to shoot at anyone
limber anchor
When I say SLRs I mean SARs
stoic breach
Yeah, its just clarifying
limber anchor
Because of autocorrect it’s easier to type that lol
faint spindle
It would switch the meta. Medics would care more about kills, and less about revives.
stoic breach
Yeah
Medics already care more about kills if they're focussed on it
Its the feeling of altruism that drives medic revives, nothing more
Its the feeling of trying to be helpful to your teeam
limber anchor
As a medic should do lol
faint spindle
Exactly
stoic breach
Yeah, so giving medic the best CQB weapons kind of invalidates that
faint spindle
The more people I can stand back up on the line, the more chance we have to win.
stoic breach
Yeah thats how it would go if you're trying to help teammates right, but with SMGs are inherently better suited to close range engagements
faint spindle
I still can't follow your reasoning.
stoic breach
As in, getting close to an enemy
tacit kelp
They is so many whiners and toxic players in this BF. Go 42-0 on Panzerstorm, Hamada 41-0 and it starts. Camper, cheater and many worse words
stoic breach
My reasoning is that I would rather see medics clear an area about 15m-20m away with an AR and then revive
limber anchor
The bf community is mostly shit that’s why
stoic breach
Rather than medics get in close where its dangerous, potentially die
And not be able to revive
stoic breach
I would want my medics alive, healing
If somebody dies outside of cover from the attacking front, I would rather the bulk of medics stay and keep healing
faint spindle
So smg seems better then? They have better weapons for close so they should stay alive longer?
lilac umbra
wow why tf there has to be that one guy XxDogkiller321xX ads in every cover
solid hinge
speak english
stoic breach
But the medic has to run towards danger to maximise the effectiveness of his weapon
faint spindle
That's his job tho.
stoic breach
A medic in danger is useless until there is no more danger
Because if the medic dies, theres no reviving
limber anchor
If a medic isn’t on the frontlines there is no reviving lol
faint spindle
It should be assaults job to protect the medic. Not make the medic an assault as well.
stoic breach
The medic right now is an assault
Assault's job is to be the main fighting force, its in the name
faint spindle
You lost me...maybe I need more coffee.
stoic breach
The assault assaults the enemy
faint spindle
Lemme finish this cup of deliciousness. Then we can resume. Lol
limber anchor
Lmao
stoic breach
Must be good coffee
sharp pawn
anyone wanna do some battlefield 4? join otherBF squad 4 if interested
faint spindle
Black rifle coffee company. It's fantastic.
limber anchor
Can we agree that when they raise the player count a rifleman class would be a good addition
coarse thunder
Bruh how can medics be assault when they don't even have the capability to damage a vehicle outside of the Trombocino nade launcher
stoic breach
I dont see the point, since assault is already a good rifleman
faint spindle
Nope. No more debating till coffee gone. 
stoic breach
Medics have SMGs which are weapons best suited for running towards enemies
limber anchor
I think splitting up the assault class would be a good idea
coarse thunder
Assaults have literally all the good explosive weapons, 2 of which are best suited to close range
stoic breach
But then what would the AT class get for a primary
coarse thunder
E.g. PIAT and dynamite
stoic breach
Yes
Close range
Assault would suite from SMGs for extra close range power
Thats why the M1907 is the best AR
Fastest rate of fire
Better in CQB than all other ARs and equal at range
Because of the damage model
solid hinge
tfw a corpse looks Exactly like someone side proning so you waste your mag on it
coarse thunder
Maybe on PC, otherwise I'd say the Ribeyrolles
solid hinge
m1907 and ribey are the two most worth using imo
limber anchor
The at class should get maybe smgs maybe idk
solid hinge
even with ribey's hit
coarse thunder
So a return to the engineer class is what it is basically
faint spindle
Bf uses the same classes for many different things. Assault in 4 was a medic.
stoic breach
I wouldn't mind return to true engineer but its not that necessary I dont think
Yeah, AR medic had good versatility
limber anchor
The engineer class should return
stoic breach
People like assault rifles, people can heal as they please
faint spindle
But 4 it could also be a sniper medic, because dmrs
coarse thunder
Ngl splitting the engineer is a pretty fair idea
stoic breach
Nah sniper medic is too far
That would actually be camping medic
BFV medic having the Tromboncino is already dumb enough considering its the best 2BTK bolt action in the game
Surprisingly no one really camps with the Tromboncino as far as I can tell
limber anchor
I just think there should be 5-6 classes
Rifleman medic engineer support and recon
faint spindle
More classes with less weapon choices is a good idea .
solid hinge
no
limber anchor
Maybe a commander class too
solid hinge
thats what fucking ruined battlefield in the first place
faint spindle
Classes?
stoic breach
4 classes is optimal because theres a clear role for each
faint spindle
Or just give everyone whatever gun they want and screw classes all together.
stoic breach
Then whats the point of classes
faint spindle
Exactly
limber anchor
Lol then we would be full cod
faint spindle
You either have to separate it into roles, giving each role a separate subset. Or just give everyone whatever guns they want.
limber anchor
How about this
solid hinge
battlefield 4 didn't limit weapons and the classes still worked
limber anchor
Rifleman demolitions medic support scout commander
faint spindle
No... they didnt. Once medics got dmrs, revives in conquest stopped.
coarse thunder
What weapons would commander get
That's more in line with boomer milsim class setup
stoic breach
Squad leader is already commander enough without being the full blown commander from BF4
Playing an RTS where his units didnt have to follow his orders
solid hinge
i like medic cause they're at a disadvantage weapon-wise in exchange for the whole medic thing
faint spindle
Agreed
faint spindle
That's a pretty big disadvantage
stoic breach
Is there a reason to play as a medic on panzerstorm
Or hamada
When you can play as an assault and comfortably use an SAR
Or play as recon and comfortably use an SLR
solid hinge
To be a medic
coarse thunder
Stick to the E F G portion and you should be fine as a medic
stoic breach
Other than feeling good about occasionally reviving people
faint spindle
Some people like that class. Hence why it exists.
coarse thunder
Even running between D and C is fine as a medic
stoic breach
Yes play 3 flags and ignore the rest of the map is galaxy brain map design right
stoic breach
You could use that
coarse thunder
Well if you ignore C on Rotterdam the map becomes significantly better
stoic breach
But its not super popular
Yeah thats true
Fuck C flag
Just imagine it doesnt exist
faint spindle
If those are the 3 prominent flags that could win the game then yes, it is a good choice.
coarse thunder
The first side that usually gets those 3 wins the game
stoic breach
BFV conquest boils down to ignoring flags for the best experience
coarse thunder
Just take a transport and drive over there
stoic breach
How helpful is B flag on Panzerstorm, really
faint spindle
And medics could help hold them immensely
stoic breach
Compared to the middle flags
With the most action
BF1 Sinai, G flag extending the area of the map
Besides a plane, that flag is shit
faint spindle
Like fog and wind noise together. If theres wind, theres no fog. Lol
stoic breach
Big brain
The biggest problem with BF1 assault was that they didnt really have much range because it was mostly smgs, like you could get ranged kills but they werent really that great at it
coarse thunder
Remind me why people suck off Sinai again
coarse thunder
I think it can be boiled down to my username
stoic breach
Yeah probably
gray saffron
wut, assault in bf1 have smgs while medics use ranged?
faint spindle
Hahha
stoic breach
But honestly Sinai is just poo
Yes medics had range
Which made them stronk
But weak in close quarters
faint spindle
That seems backwards
coarse thunder
Medics had SARs with no scope glint
So basically like modern assault but with no explosives
stoic breach
Yeah
faint spindle
I dont think they are meant to rush first, no matter the load out. Lol
stoic breach
Assault with SAR works better than medic with SAR imo
Medics do rush first though in BFV
Because of the smgs
coarse thunder
Smoke spam, everyone is now required to rush
stoic breach
Its why I think AR medic is a good medium
faint spindle
Then that seems to be a player issue. Not a load out one.
faint spindle
If medics rush and die at the beginning. That's a player fault.
stoic breach
But what are you supposed to do with an SMG though
faint spindle
Medics shouldnt be concerned with capping flags.
stoic breach
Max effectiveness is up to 15m and can be pushed to 20m
Or I guess 10m if you like hipfire
lilac umbra
get 20kills while attacking an objective its so easy and yet so frustrating
faint spindle
They should go in after the initial.assault, revive and kill any cq stragglers left. Hence smgs
midnight nimbus
AR medic best medic
stoic breach
Its not like medics will ignore the cap with a longer ranged weapon
coarse thunder
The funny thing is most of the flags have sightlines in those ranges
solid hinge
dude, literally everyone in this game ignores the cap
solid hinge
I want a teammate
lilac umbra
well ar in this game are useless
stoic breach
Also healers who dont heal and go for kills are useless healers