Yeah but that with no overheating is OP
#battlefield-legacy-titles
unkempt dust
willow vigil
i dont know the fact about weapons in ww
unkempt dust
FG-42 would be beyond OP if it gets a larger mag
Bren has a small mag but is really accurate for a LMG even at longer ranges
limber anchor
It’s really good with the 3x on it
zenith pendant
Bren is uber-accurate
willow vigil
in bf1 there was overheating right
zenith pendant
yeah
willow vigil
ok
limber anchor
I tried playing bf1 yesterday and yikes lol
zenith pendant
I don't want to come back
willow vigil
i miss those weapons
zenith pendant
to 3D spotting
limber anchor
It’s so bad to play lol
stoic breach
If the game had a good artstyle maybe it wouldnt need 3D spotting 😩
zenith pendant
one breath of fresh air without 3D spotting and you can't come back to other BF games because of it
willow vigil
yhea
unkempt dust
I think people just remember the game with rose tinited glasses.. it still is my least favorite BF
zenith pendant
we already have glowing soldiers
what more do you want
Oh BF1 was thoroughly shit on in it's release
mainly due to lack of weapons
DLCs gradually fixed that
limber anchor
That system was so stupid lol
stoic breach
Glowing soldiers are impossible to see on Narvik if they camp
So not even soldier glow really fixed much
zenith pendant
Dude it's a guy laying in snow
stoic breach
Yes
limber anchor
Lmao
zenith pendant
unless he runs full partisan, you shoulnd't have a problem seeing him
they literally stand out as black objects on snow
willow vigil
i am glad the did glowing soilder becuse i have 60% eye loss
stoic breach
Some people actually do have the foresight to run camo though which is annoying
Yeah BFV really shits on people with bad eyesight
limber anchor
That’s the point of camo though lol
zenith pendant
At first I had issues too with spotting dudes
stoic breach
With my minitor as well I have trouble seeing people
zenith pendant
but 2 things really helped me with that
Looking for motion, and bullet tracers
that's why prone dudes that are not shooting are the hardest to see
stoic breach
Those also help in other games with better visibility
zenith pendant
Have you played Rising Storm 2 ?
limber anchor
I play alot of DayZ so that is already ingrained into my brain lol
stoic breach
No I havent
zenith pendant
It's Vietnam
stoic breach
Yes
zenith pendant
and in literal jungle
so you can't really see anyone that ain't moving
and you die in one shot
stoic breach
Its also an indie game that's intentionally designed to be hardcore
BFV doesnt seem to know what its designed to be
zenith pendant
"indie" lol
limber anchor
I hope battlefield moves more hardcore tbh
stoic breach
Who's the publisher?
zenith pendant
Tripwire Interactive
stoic breach
Oh interesting
zenith pendant
Well it's a mix, really
TWI not only publishes games but helps with their development too
limber anchor
I really don’t like the weird casual and hardcore mix they are going in
zenith pendant
Imagine if EA provided programmers to their devs and helped them out
kind of like that
unkempt dust
what we have now with attrition and no 3D spotting is good
zenith pendant
Some games they develop fully by themselves, like Killing Floor 2
what attrition
there is only health limits
There is no ammo attrition at all
unkempt dust
maybe when RSP is released people can set hardcore servers with no 3rd person etc...
limber anchor
I like it lol
zenith pendant
difference between 1st and 3rd person in tanks is jarring
zenith pendant
you can't see shit in 1st person but can actually aim
stoic breach
Yeah medic is broken in CQB and useless on large maps
zenith pendant
but you can see everything in 3rd person, but can't aim for shit
stoic breach
Real fun
limber anchor
That’s the point tho
zenith pendant
like that 3D sight you get for 3rd person in tanks is literally misleading
solid hinge
if I had my way I would kill 3rd person in BF
zenith pendant
I'd like that for you to have 3rd person your dude must pop out of the tank somewhere
limber anchor
I remember 3rd person in mw2 lol it was fun
prime pine
K thanks dice you did tanks so well
stoic breach
No 3rd person is just making it more of a milsim
prime pine
People are relying on third person because dice fucked first person view so much
limber anchor
They should take war thunders approach
zenith pendant
If I were DICE I'd force aim delay on 3rd person
so you can't whip your aim that well
limber anchor
I would make turret rotation accurate to the tanks and make them slower
stoic breach
Why?
limber anchor
But increase their damage
stoic breach
why do people like attrition and milsim mechanics in BFV
Lol, tanks dont need damage increase
prime pine
Thats artificially fucking a system that shouldnt be touched in the first place. Turret rotation has been massively decreased so theres no room for an artificial delay.
stoic breach
Spawning with half your ammo
prime pine
Theres no delay when zooming at least. So long(er) range firing is possible.
stoic breach
No cooldowns on gadget resupply
prime pine
2/3rds of your ammo
limber anchor
I want battlefield to go farther in that direction
prime pine
But i would prefer spawning with 5 mags if anything.
unkempt dust
it's not "milsim" it's just some handicap so people are not hopping/sprinting between covers and waiting to magically regen
zenith pendant
magic regen is real
limber anchor
They should have the ammo system like insurgency sandstorm
stoic breach
Magic regen works better than the ammo system now
limber anchor
You spawn with mags Instead of a ammo pool
unkempt dust
that would kill me.. I obsessively reload lol
echo glen
Always reloads after using 1 bullet gang
limber anchor
Lol it works pretty well though as you keep the mag
zenith pendant
I try to break that habit
limber anchor
Unless you do a tactical reload
stoic breach
But Battlefield at it's core isnt supposed to be that hardcore
limber anchor
It should move more into that direction imo
stoic breach
It shouldnt
unkempt dust
I think BF should focus more on the sandbox feeling
stoic breach
BFV already tried that and had less sales than Hardline
unkempt dust
like back in BF4
prime pine
My issue is with attrition is how is fucks with your health. I main support so ammo isnt a concern but even so other classes shouldnt be fucked hindered just to rely on their teammates even more. Especially when most of the players on the game are a bunch of brain dead fucking morons.
limber anchor
I think they should either go full casual or full hardcore not this Weird mix of both
gray saffron
you can always retreat to a cp and build up a health resupply if your teammates aren't willing to cooperate
stoic breach
BF1 didnt become the best selling BF game by being a milsim
unkempt dust
it also sucked lol
gray saffron
healing in bfv is way faster than it is in the older BFs. be safe, click medpack, boom, hp 100
stoic breach
Not according to majority of people
limber anchor
It became the best selling game my being super casual lol
prime pine
Oh no jer i completely get what you mean
unkempt dust
BFV is much better than BF1 in everything but amount of content
zenith pendant
in BFV
stoic breach
Thats a bad thing?
zenith pendant
unless you specifically stay out of points
limber anchor
Yes too me
stoic breach
Selling to the majority of people is the bad thing?
zenith pendant
you will get hindered by limited health regen
prime pine
But nothing is more aggrovating than being hundreds of metres alone from a med station and being unable to fully recover your health
zenith pendant
and lack of medics
zenith pendant
but if you PTFO you'll always be in range of a health station
limber anchor
Bf1 was the worst bf I’ve played gameplay wise
zenith pendant
woooooo bfv ded
unkempt dust
it's not bcoming a milsim.. it's even retracting a lot of it's more hardcore intended features
prime pine
It depends but imma stay reserved.
limber anchor
@unkempt dust that’s my problem with it
unkempt dust
like the halo regen now around medic and medkits
stoic breach
Yeah, ammo attrition got nerfed because people hated it
zenith pendant
Unless CoD will have medics that can revive you in that 100 player mode of theirs
stoic breach
Big surprise
zenith pendant
because it was too extreme ?
stoic breach
yes
limber anchor
They went slightly hardcore and basically reverted everything
stoic breach
Is it such a surprise that people hate running out of ammo in a gunfight
After they spawn
zenith pendant
it's not like you spawned without an extra mag
limber anchor
People hate playing as a team that’s the problem
stoic breach
Nobody hates playing as a team
limber anchor
Every body wants to zerg rush from flag to flag
unkempt dust
MW is not gonna kill shit.. it will sell tons like every other COD but BF is something different and I guarantee you no one from wthose who say they will leave BF for MW will be satisfied with it as a replacement
limber anchor
That’s all they do lol
zenith pendant
Unless that 100 player mode has Medics in it that can revive you after you get melted by their TTK
That mode then has nothing on BFV conquest
literally nothing
unkempt dust
you can't shoot through a fucking car window in a map the size of my bedroom lol
limber anchor
Lmao
stoic breach
Cool
zenith pendant
And they for sure will have respawn timers
unkempt dust
no destruction, not even a mini map
zenith pendant
so they MUST have some kind of revive mechanic in there
limber anchor
There’s no vehicles no destruction no classes
prime pine
We all thought bf1 would kill cod but it didnt.
zenith pendant
there is, some tanks
stoic breach
No revives are necessary
compact oxide
Zerging is what you do when you're dumb, clever players go in small groups to the off flags
zenith pendant
If no revives are forced then it's shit compared to BFV
or BF conquest in general
stoic breach
Reversing a kill in CoD is pretty stupid imo
gray saffron
everyone wants to be a one man army, but you can't really in bfv. be a infinite healing supermachine, but tanks will fuck you over. be a tank destroyer, but you're still gonna have to find medics to heal. have unlimited ammo, but your weapons require you to prone. have hs instakills and far distance, but you're weak at close range ;D plus all that just matters for K/D. while winning requires you to PTFO. which a lot of players forget because most games like cod, csgo, pubg are more geared towards k/d
unkempt dust
I don't even think they confirmed a "50 vs 50" mode.. they only said the new engine is capable of that
stoic breach
In BF1, the individual mattered
compact oxide
Exactly
stoic breach
You could also regen to 100hp so you dont get cucked in a second gunfight
compact oxide
BF1 got the balance right between individual and groups
prime pine
A good k/d means nothing if you dont play the objective
stoic breach
In BFV, squad play got emphasised to the point where the individual gets fucked
zenith pendant
well technically each kill you make that does not get revived is -1 ticket
prime pine
I can hold myself well
zenith pendant
so you technically play the objective if you kill a lot
stoic breach
CoD doesnt need revives because thats the game
compact oxide
You could well succeed being an annoyance who is capping the off flags for your team alone in BF1
prime pine
You go to the objective and make sure it is secure
stoic breach
It's a team game as much as players want it to be
zenith pendant
So CoD's conquest knock-off is fucked then, if no revives
gray saffron
yeah but that 20 kill streak ain't gonna do shit, if they hold all the caps and your team just creates chokepoints at random places ;D
zenith pendant
well that depends on the 20 kill streak
if it's over the course of 5 minutes picking off straglers inbetween points
gray saffron
plus you reach the top of the scoreboard way faster with just ptfoing and less killing
stoic breach
Oh yeah, BFV "teamplay" weaponised numbers
You could rush an objective and get killed, or you can sit in spawn and pointboost until you get a Croc or Sturmtiger
compact oxide
BFV ruined the balance of individual vs team, so now it's zerg or you suffer really
zenith pendant
why no squad inbetween
Why compare either one dude or a zerg of 15
of course the zerg of 15 is going to be stronger than a single dude
zenith pendant
Zergs can be guided by 3 players minimum
compact oxide
That's the thing though, in BF1 you could still somewhat deal with it
zenith pendant
they just need to rush after capping a flag in a certain direction
and most will follow
It's like guiding a cattle, lol
we did that with a friend once on Fjell
it was glorious
compact oxide
BFV makes it """forced""" teamplay meaning it sucks balls if you just want a quick jump in game alone
stoic breach
Yeah
BFV puts artificial obstacles in the player's way to make it seem more deep and tactical
Or intuitive
compact oxide
Only way is was having any fun in BFV was in comms with a full squad or on small gamemodes where you meant something
stoic breach
Yeah
solid hinge
What’s the best German spitfire MK VA plane?
zenith pendant
what
solid hinge
Equivalent
zenith pendant
You mean BF109 variant ?
solid hinge
As in extremely powerful fighter plane
unkempt dust
or you find a good squad and follow your squad leader's orders so you are attacking/defending together?
zenith pendant
Isn't squad a small zerg
limber anchor
@unkempt dust don’t you know that’s too hardcore lol
compact oxide
@unkempt dust sounds like a unicorn to me
unkempt dust
lol nope
compact oxide
Hence zerg or nothing
zenith pendant
Jeez boys if you want a good squad just squad up with people here
unkempt dust
doesn't happen every game that's for sure
zenith pendant
From talking to you, it seems you guys are BF pros
unkempt dust
but the mechanics for it are there and it happens
gray saffron
medic crates passively heal you as well in bfv btw. so while yes, if there aren't any medics/stations; you regen normally in bf1, it also takes a while before it starts and easily get's stopped; which resets the waiting timer. by the time you're done healing the zerg already catches up with you. and the higher ttk plus random bullet deviation puts you in a more awkard spot than it does in bfv imo.
zenith pendant
So why not squad up and shit together
unkempt dust
nope ... I am a casual with a shit KD myself
but I enjoy the game for what it actually is
zenith pendant
I'd call myself a casual but for some reason I have an average 2 K/D
unkempt dust
not what I want it to become .. a COD clone
zenith pendant
though I don't "Aim" for it really
compact oxide
@gray saffron higher ttk is 100% better imo
limber anchor
@unkempt dust it’s already heading there sadly
bronze grotto
and i think it doesn't even register to bftracker because of it
stoic breach
BF became better by getting closer to CoD
limber anchor
That ruined bf1 for me the shit ttk and the shit bullet deviation
@stoic breach lmao
stoic breach
Bullet deviation lol
compact oxide
A game where you get insta gibbed around every corner by a camper is far worse than a game where you have a split second to react
stoic breach
You mean holding the trigger like an idiot?
compact oxide
Also RBD is a meme really
stoic breach
RBD doesnt exist
unkempt dust
@limber anchor I hope not
limber anchor
I like my bullets to go where they should
stoic breach
If you want accurate shots you literally need trigger discipline
limber anchor
@unkempt dust they are
compact oxide
If you have issues hitting people at a range, use a more accurate gun 
stoic breach
Thats probably why people think BF1 is too hard to play
unkempt dust
even if they pursue that 5v5 .. I hope it's with their own taste
stoic breach
BF1 gunplay comes down to trigger discipline
Random spread only happens when people forget they can take their finger off the trigger
zenith pendant
before I go
I want you to drop a theme to discuss that I can read when I come back from the local shop
reinforcements: V1 vs Tank
what's better
limber anchor
Sturmtiger on German
stoic breach
Depends on the situation
Croc is good if you kick everyone from your squad and lock it
Because the flamethrower covers the primary camera
"teamplay"
limber anchor
I never use it it’s pretty shit tbh
stoic breach
or if you have people on mic and they know not to fuck with you
unkempt dust
you seem to really have an issue with squad play mate lol
limber anchor
Compared to the sturmtiger
stoic breach
I don't
compact oxide
Forcing squad play isn't fun
stoic breach
Sturmtiger is like the only tank that gets better with more people
stoic breach
Teamplay =/= artificial barriers to gameplay
Also V1 can be good for flexing on zerging idiots
zenith pendant
Any tank can be good to flex on zerging idiots
onyx cave
can anyone help me, i was completing my war stories for the epic gear and completed all of Tirailleur. in the missions it says "6/6 letters" but in the overall letters it says "16/17". i find the location of the letter and its not there cause i collected it
zenith pendant
Contact EA support
limber anchor
Contact ea
stoic breach
But yeah, tanks have some nice flexibility
limber anchor
I think they are fixing it next patch though
zenith pendant
Provide some screenshot evidence that proves you did find all letters but the game is bugged, should be quite easy
and they are cooperative with that sort of thing
stoic breach
Croc at range solo is great against everything
zenith pendant
goddamnit can't wait for 4.4 patch notes
limber anchor
Same
zenith pendant
someone leak them please
iron comet
Anyone wanna play BfV on Xbox?
limber anchor
Maybe later I’m not on right now
compact oxide
!!lfg
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iron comet
Posted in there, v dead channel tho
stoic aspen
You would think they would've fixed stuttering issues already
compact oxide
@iron comet please use those channels in future, we don't generally allow lfg outside them to reduce clutter 
dark sorrel
I think I'm coming to terms with BF V now
compact oxide
Same
dark sorrel
The post-Battlefield V survival guide:
Remember that it doesn't stop Battlefield 4 and 1 from existing
stoic breach
Its just a shame cause BFV has some great design concepts
stoic aspen
What these patches bro how have they not already fixed all that shit
stoic breach
Like piss-easy gunplay
stoic aspen
Mhm
You can go to Rank 500? holy shit
I would not mess with someone that is that dedicated to a game lol
bronze grotto
Do stats get tracked even if i crashed before finishing the round
bronze grotto
Is it different from assignment tracking
Jesus i crashed literally when the tickets reach 0
stoic aspen
Did you have good stats?
stoic breach
Frostbite doesnt seem to like background stat tracking
stoic aspen
40 to 3 feels bad man
stoic breach
Rip
bronze grotto
This does not happen often for me and it crashes
stoic aspen
The one time when you're a god and the game shits itself , that's why I don't play bfv
limber anchor
I rarely crash tbh
stoic breach
BFV is fun when you get a group of friends together and break the game
stoic aspen
Yeah I would be pissed as well
limber anchor
Outside of that one update that broke the game on Xbox lol
bronze grotto
I did get 95-5 earlier this morning
stoic aspen
Wtf?
bronze grotto
Though it was valentine on aerodrome
stoic breach
Dude since BFV lets you switch weapons without switching classes, if you get a medic to run an SAR its borderline broken
Its hilarious infantry fun
stoic aspen
What were you using mil?
bronze grotto
Wait no it was hamada
Valentine and snake abuse
Resupply station and a slight incline
bronze grotto
Snek spam
limber anchor
The most kills I’ve ever got in battlefield was 214-27 lol
stoic aspen
Bullshit
limber anchor
Op metro was fun back in the day haha
bronze grotto
Most tigers suck anyway i just blast their treads
bronze grotto
Snekking an entire filled trench
stoic aspen
What's snekking?
limber anchor
The acw-r was a beast in bf3
stoic breach
Solid Snake gameplay
bronze grotto
The line charges spec on brit tanks
stoic aspen
I need to get bfv just to understand what any of yous are saying lol
limber anchor
An easy 100 plus kills lol
stoic breach
Just stick with BF1 and have a good infantry game
stoic aspen
The people that play bf1 only get a high kill cuz they use planes
stoic breach
And use the AL8.35 for clout 😩
bronze grotto
The next best thing i have is going 52-5 with a bren again on hamada conquest but that was yesterday i think
limber anchor
I got 50-0 on bf1 in a tank before lol
stoic breach
Yea
limber anchor
It was so easy it was boring lol
stoic breach
Flawless tank farming is even better in BFV
stoic aspen
Yeah but that's in a tank I really dislike people that use planes, tanks and shotguns man it pisses me off
stoic breach
You spawn an archer and camp at the back of the map near a resupply
zenith pendant
I went 83-28 throughout the entirety of Narvik Grand Operations yesterday
limber anchor
I’ve never went flawless but I can streak up with the staghound
stoic breach
Nobody even plays Ops here
zenith pendant
we lost first day, lost second and won the conquest match
with 90 seconds left
250-0
stoic aspen
I've never actually had an opportunity to be in a Op
bronze grotto
Jesus man im so sore about the crash
zenith pendant
It's a good mode to do assignments
limber anchor
The panzerstorm grand op is so fun lol
bronze grotto
At least ctd me on a negative kd match
stoic aspen
I'm sure you'll be mil you seem like a pretty good player anyway
zenith pendant
Like you pack 4 assignments and do them across the entirety of grand ops
stoic breach
Not fucking conquest in the middle for whatever reason
zenith pendant
then quit and pick another batch
stoic aspen
Well no one does ops on bf1
limber anchor
Panzerstorm and arras are my favorite maps in the game
stoic aspen
Everyone just does Conquest
stoic aspen
Well it's the only thing that's still alive in bf1
bronze grotto
Arras is good for suomiing
limber anchor
I never really liked conquest outside of the big vehicle maps
stoic breach
I hate giant vehicle conquest
limber anchor
I mostly played rush up until bf4
bronze grotto
Personal best is 69-13 with suomi on breakthrough arras
stoic aspen
Well like I said there's nothing else to do in bf1 unless you wanna do the stupid story mode
bronze grotto
Though i was going with another suomi cancerman
stoic breach
BF1 conquest at least has some nice enough variety
stoic aspen
Conquest or nothing is really what bf1 is
stoic breach
Yeah
solid hinge
Bring rush 64p
zenith pendant
BF1 conquest is the worst in BF history
limber anchor
@stoic aspen come on every body always claims it’s the best bf how are you bored lol
stoic aspen
People say bf1 is dead but there is always 64p servers always goin on lol
limber anchor
@zenith pendant agreed lol
zenith pendant
because they broke the "Majority bleeds the other team and not yours" rule
limber anchor
Only on conquest
stoic aspen
When did I say it was boring Dana?
stoic breach
The tickets going up to 1000 is weird, I prefer tick down to 0
zenith pendant
and it ruined that mode
limber anchor
Saying there’s nothing else to do on it sounds like boredom to me
stoic breach
Conquest with ticket bleed makes sense but at the same time, all conquest boils down to is holding half+1 flag for the majority of the time
or just spawncamping your enemy team
stoic aspen
Well it's straight facts have a look lol Conquest is actually the only gamemode people play in bf1
stoic breach
If ops was more popular in general for BF1 that would be a dream
limber anchor
I would play more bf1 if the turning tides servers weren’t dead that’s the only thing I enjoyed on that game
stoic aspen
Yeah I know kinda sad the game has been left in the dust
stoic aspen
Well hopefully the game blows up somehow cuz I would love to do a bf1 Op
stoic breach
Achi Baba domination would've been amazing
limber anchor
Well I hated that map but the rest were fun lol
stoic aspen
I'm so shit on some maps
stoic breach
Zeebrugge would've been so fucking good if I ever got to play shock ops
stoic aspen
Like I just can't sometimes I'll get 87-26 then sometimes I'll get 36-42 like lol
zenith pendant
BF1 ops were either spawntrapped on first sector because a motherless son of a bitch decided to use mortar truck
stoic breach
Spawntrap is at least a good strategy in ops/breakthrough
zenith pendant
or steamrolling defenders into the second map, then losing a batallion, then finish the steamroll
stoic breach
Spawntrap in conquest is just toxic
stoic aspen
I just enjoy pushing kids and destroying like 2 squads with me, myself and I
stoic breach
But its an easy win
limber anchor
I remember spawn trapping so much on metro and locker lol
stoic breach
Yeah
limber anchor
Some teams were really bad
stoic aspen
With a Bar m1918 which only holds 20 bullets in a mag and somehow I clutch somehow then sometimes I'll get abused the whole match lol
stoic breach
Haha
limber anchor
Rush on those maps were where good tho
stoic breach
Just use the madsen
stoic breach
yeah rush on linear maps is always good
stoic aspen
I love using the Bar m1918
limber anchor
I liked the chaos lol
stoic breach
Metro and Locker would be so good on frontlines though
Yeah the chaos is great
Frontlines on Locker would be so much fun
limber anchor
Metro will get frontlines for bfv
stoic aspen
The only guns I use are Bar M1918 Trench or M1917 MG
stoic breach
Yeah see, thats better than conquest
Frontlines is just a better focussed conquest
Far superior gamemode
stoic aspen
I kinda wanna get bfv so I can easily find a server and not have to look for one lol
stoic breach
Eh, you'll be disappointed
stoic breach
I understand the want for a battlefield sandbox
The idea of a large scale battle is a good idea in theory
But when its fucked by design, it needs to have a rethink
zenith pendant
planetside 2 is a good example of large scale battles
stoic aspen
I already am disappointed Toast, I had low expectations but then when it actually came out I was like wow what is this company doing
zenith pendant
except until you get into operation metro on steroids in Bio domes
stoic aspen
Are Ops even good?
stoic breach
No
limber anchor
I only like it on maps like golmud railway panzerstorm and bf3 armored kill dlc
stoic breach
Only one of them is
stoic aspen
I see
stoic breach
And thats Panzerstorm
zenith pendant
depends, Ops is like a playlist of sorts
stoic aspen
Also depends what people you're up against
zenith pendant
Like if you want some different but similar experiences but don't want to switch servers, Ops are good
stoic breach
Large maps are good when they're broken up into smaller chunks like with Breakthrough
solid hinge
panzerstorm BT still relies on the attackers actually attacking
limber anchor
Ops on the pacific maps have the potential of being good
stoic breach
Yeah
zenith pendant
any BT requires attackers to attack
solid hinge
and not picking anything other than tiger or pz4
limber anchor
Definitely with that beach landing mode coming with them
stoic breach
For large maps, 64 players actually fighting each other is the optimal experience for the map
solid hinge
the amount of people who pick 38t or the fucking flakpanzer
stoic aspen
Yeah that would be sick, you start off the match with coming in on a boat instead of just spawning
zenith pendant
gimme D-Day so people can see how shit it plays out
limber anchor
My browning will melt through some japs lol
stoic aspen
Or if you're on the other team you spray them down as they try to get to the shore
solid hinge
spawn on boat
boat gets destroyed before it even lands
stoic breach
Yep
solid hinge
the real experience
stoic aspen
Well that's how it went in real life
zenith pendant
Like that Operation in BF1 with Turning Tides
solid hinge
That's why doing it totally true to life isnt necessarily a good idea
stoic breach
BFV would have to drop realism for creative license
zenith pendant
First Batallion gets shit on on first sector
limber anchor
@bronze grotto stop I can’t get more erect
stoic breach
Because realism is only good when it enhances gameplay
zenith pendant
Then in comes a Dreadnought
a mortar on steroids and some experimental drugs
that just shits on the defenders position
stoic aspen
Oh yeah I played that map in Conquest we got to use boats but I never got on one cuz I accidentally spawned on a guy in the middle of the fucking water
bronze grotto
Tfw no boats in bfv
stoic breach
Cape Helles more like Cape Hell
zenith pendant
just like in real life
stoic breach
Cause that map is fucked in operations
limber anchor
There’s boats coming in the pacific update
bronze grotto
Honestly give supports the hmg weapon class
limber anchor
But nothing huge
bronze grotto
50cal
stoic breach
Its not even a fun meat grinder
bronze grotto
Boys but rapid fire
zenith pendant
implying that a meat grinder is fun
stoic aspen
Meat grinder
stoic breach
Remember how you could ADS with MMGs in BF1
zenith pendant
stoic aspen
lol
stoic breach
Meat grinders can be fun, its why people love metro
zenith pendant
Meat Grinder is a glorified zerg vs zerg
to test which team can shit out explosives faster than the other
stoic aspen
I love being support don't diss the big boy weapons
stoic breach
At least people zerg in the same direction
limber anchor
There’s a reason metro is one the best maps ever
zenith pendant
Remember Fort Vaux Ops ?
stoic breach
Thats why Locker/Metro frontlines would work well
limber anchor
Because it’s fun
stoic aspen
Nope
limber anchor
I don’t I never played that map lol
zenith pendant
Metro Lockers Frontline would work not because zerging in same direction
stoic breach
Yeah Fort De Vaux is fun but fucked
zenith pendant
but because 16v16
stoic aspen
Fort de vaux is such a shit map
zenith pendant
Make it 32v32 Frontline and it's just shit conquest with big capture times
stoic breach
Yes, only 16 people zerging instead of 32
zenith pendant
that ends quickly because no spawntraps
limber anchor
Doesn’t arras have 64 player frontlines?
stoic breach
20v20 is the best size
zenith pendant
it does
stoic breach
in ops
zenith pendant
but it's one sector
limber anchor
What op is it
stoic aspen
Fort de vaux is only fun when both teams are at a door trying to get through to each side lol
zenith pendant
And the capture point is big enough to allow flanking
Twisted Steel --> Arras ops
i don't remember the name
limber anchor
Ah I remember now
stoic aspen
Good memory
zenith pendant
@stoic aspen Holy shit the worst zerg map in history of BF
Operations second sector
one is out in the open that has 3 ways leading to it that is easily captured
the other one literally has 2 hallways
2 HALLWAYS
stoic aspen
My favourite map is the forest map
stoic aspen
OKAY
stoic aspen
32v32 are always fun what do you mean
limber anchor
Battlefront isn’t really balanced though
zenith pendant
Battlefront 2 ops is a mess because of steamroll heroes
stoic aspen
You gotta mix of idiots, noobs and good players
stoic breach
Fun cause its a mess, not fun cause its balanced
Battlefront 2 is a mess in general
Its a terrible game
But 20v20 was a good decision
stoic aspen
I never new bf2 was a game lmao
zenith pendant
Gotta love it when you get spotted by emperor
limber anchor
Battlefront games rarely get past the first phase let alone the last one lol
zenith pendant
and the only thing you can do is literally run to postpone your INSTANT DEATH BY RAYSCAN LIGHTNING
limber anchor
Palpatine was so broken at one point
stoic aspen
I can't belive Battlefield Hardline servers are still a thing
limber anchor
His lightning would kill people through walls lol
stoic breach
raycast and hitscan are different things
stoic aspen
I completed the story in Hardline and I was like multiplayer now and all the servers were filled up with people and I was like wtf
zenith pendant
Like BFG in classic Doom
stoic aspen
And I tried to join one and the server crashed 🙂
limber anchor
The last time I played hardline it had like 4 servers populated
zenith pendant
literally 2 things can survive a palpatine raycast lightning
another hero
or a literal tank
stoic aspen
All the servers are populated now Dana
bronze grotto
Better to crash on the start
zenith pendant
If you are infantry, you don't even have a chance to react
bronze grotto
Than at the end
stoic aspen
Like I didn't even have to scroll down
zenith pendant
you are just deleted
bronze grotto
Or more like crashing right before the end
stoic aspen
I don't like infantry
zenith pendant
like -kill in console kind of deleted
stoic breach
Yes too bad Battlefront 2 is a fucking broken as fuck game at its core
limber anchor
Idea was lowkey op too
stoic breach
Because it got player counts right
zenith pendant
like if (palpatine_raycast_hit == true) player == fucking dead
limber anchor
Iden*
stoic breach
And thats it
zenith pendant
kind of deleted
stoic aspen
What did I just say lol? I don't like infantry
limber anchor
Is she still lol I haven’t played in a while
stoic aspen
Blaster heros? Sounds like a toy
limber anchor
Every one though she was shit but her grenade launcher 1 hit groups of people lol
stoic breach
yeah I could honestly rant about all the things I hate about Battlefront 2
stoic aspen
It's an old game what do you expect?
stoic aspen
Yeah
stoic breach
I love Battlefront 2005
Oh yeah Battlefront 2005 has BETTER FLIGHT PHYSICS THAN BFV
limber anchor
I don’t know about that
stoic breach
It does
stoic aspen
Well guess what? BFV IS FUCKED
stoic breach
Hahaha
stoic aspen
So of course it's better
limber anchor
The flight physics aren’t that bad
stoic breach
Yes they are
stoic aspen
Never played so I agree with every hate comment lol
stoic breach
They prioritise weight and inertia for turning
open totem
Why is fucked? 😮
stoic breach
Slowing down makes your turn rate worse
stoic aspen
No shit
stoic breach
So everyone uses dive brakes
limber anchor
I’ve never had a problem with it
limber anchor
I play war thunder so I’m used to stuff like that
stoic breach
BFV isnt War Thunder though
stoic aspen
Who would've thought lol
limber anchor
The vehicles would be much better if it was lol
Definitely the tanks
The planes not so much
limber anchor
Tanks would actually be lethal
stoic aspen
Fuck off I hate camp tankers
limber anchor
Not hit someone 10 times because he instantly healed lol
stoic aspen
Well I'm never buying the game
stoic breach
Yeah
stoic aspen
It's all 10 year olds that can't shoot for shit even with aim assist so they need tanks to get some kills
limber anchor
It’s only like that on certain maps really
stoic breach
Not even aim assist or anything simple like that
limber anchor
Hamada and panzerstorm
zenith pendant
I had a guy on Fjell that went 2-8 the entire match
stoic breach
You become an invincible box of death
zenith pendant
because he was crying so bad in chat that AA is stupid broken
limber anchor
Not really lol
zenith pendant
and then he went 25-5 in the next match on Rotterdam
stoic aspen
2 to 8 what a shit player lol
zenith pendant
and started talking mad fucking shit
limber anchor
Tanks aren’t even that difficult to deal with
stoic breach
If you rush towards enemies, you'll just get swarmed because tank gameplay is so shallow
zenith pendant
all he did was roll on the road around E and D as Axis
and as soon as he took damage he retreated to spawn
stoic breach
Bruh lol
stoic aspen
when he got that 25 to 5 he probably thought he was top shit lol
zenith pendant
he did, Konner
limber anchor
Most tanks are shit against infantry
zenith pendant
he started talking Mad Shit how he did more than anyone in that tank of his
stoic aspen
Lol
stoic breach
Effective vs everything
limber anchor
If you have 3 assaults the tank is basically dead
stoic breach
Archer, best camping tank
zenith pendant
Not really
stoic breach
It is
stoic aspen
Who cares it's a fucking tank what do you expect? tank= shit players that want easy kills
zenith pendant
it's way more tanky
golden roost
@limber anchor yep
stoic breach
Archer can out dps every tank
zenith pendant
Gun carrier can dab with line charges
stoic breach
And if it's camping near a resupply, attrition is a big help
zenith pendant
Like it's a mini V1 if you spam those out
limber anchor
That’s why the need to use war thunders system that would make tank combat take actual skill
stoic breach
On Mercury as Brits, I spawned an archer and camped in uncap and it was extremely effective
zenith pendant
oh yes instant kills
stoic breach
Deep, tactical gameplay lol
solid hinge
Archer > gun carrier by miles
stoic breach
the churchill needs a better movement speed
limber anchor
War thunder is extremely tactical lol
stoic breach
War Thunder is tactical by design
zenith pendant
Yeah, but it does not fit BF
solid hinge
the gun carrier is slow as fuck and cant do anything if anyone gets up close
limber anchor
But balancing light tank would be a nightmare
stoic aspen
Why would they do that Dana? They obviously loved making this game as unrealistic as possible
zenith pendant
can archer do anything if someone sneaks up close ?
solid hinge
archer is fast as fuck and has a shedload of ammo along with super high DPS
Archer has the sick swivels
stoic breach
Archer can also camp in uncap
stoic aspen
Archer?
stoic breach
No sneaking at all
solid hinge
also a back turret
stoic aspen
They are just easy kills that assholes use
stoic breach
Yeah BFV tank design optimises tank camping over anything else
limber anchor
The tank combat sucks because a fucking light tank can kill a tiger 1 like come on that’s ridiculous
stoic aspen
Lol 2 tank nades disables a big tank in bf1
zenith pendant
Why use a tank slot that can be used to cap points when Artillery Halftracks exist
solid hinge
Light tanks cant kill anything now
They used to be the best tanks by far
Now they're the worst by far
unless you count the AA tanks
hybrid dock
autocannons can't damage armor
zenith pendant
Light tanks need to use mobility and flanking to deal with other tanks
limber anchor
They are ok at killing infantry if used right
stoic breach
Yeah they have mobility and little else
stoic aspen
Why. Did people complain the light tanks were to strrong?
stoic breach
The vehicle design team just has no idea what they're doing
Like brits have better tanks by design
limber anchor
But they shouldn’t be able to touch medium and heavy tanks
zenith pendant
hey Staghound can rip tanks into shreds with missiles
hybrid dock
because the autocannon put out so much damage so fast
solid hinge
The original light tanks had super good damage
stoic breach
Germans intentionally have worse tanks
solid hinge
And heavy tanks were much weaker
stoic aspen
Lmao
limber anchor
That objective
solid hinge
They buffed heavy tank armour and reduced light tank damage
stoic aspen
Light tanks should still be strong one bullet from a light tank to a person should kill them
solid hinge
The missiles on the staghound dont mean much when you have to actually get next to a tank to use them
limber anchor
@solid hinge but that’s how tanks should be balanced
solid hinge
The flakpanzer might genuinely be the worst tank in the fame
zenith pendant
German Medium Tank < Brittish Medium Tank
stoic breach
No
zenith pendant
German Light Tank < Brittish Armored Car
limber anchor
Heavy tanks should have great armor and poor mobility
stoic aspen
What's with the German and British arguments I still don't understand it
solid hinge
If you go up against any decent tank in a staghound you'll get your wheels blown off on the first shot and then die
stoic breach
The 38t and Stag are both shit so thats personal preference
limber anchor
That’s how it was irl lol
solid hinge
Sneaking up on a tank in this game relies on the tanker being shit
stoic breach
But the MK8 Valentine can literally out dps a Tiger
stoic aspen
Well this game is unrealistic as fuck @limber anchor
zenith pendant
and extremely slower if you blow up threads/engine
limber anchor
Even in game balance a staghound shouldn’t even scrape a tiger 1
limber anchor
I don’t know about that
stoic breach
Yes
stoic aspen
Man for someone that makes fucking war games for a living how'd they fuck up this badly?
stoic breach
Valentine can get a rate of fire boost as well as increased ammo and APCR
That lets it fuck up Tigers
solid hinge
valentine 6pdr is the strongest cannon in the game
valentine 2pdr is the weakest cannon in the game
stoic aspen
Does the valentine shoot arrows?
stoic breach
Tiger 1 should beat MK8 but it doesnt
stoic aspen
Lol
limber anchor
Most German armor should outclass the British
stoic aspen
Ok we get it, the brits are shit lol
solid hinge
Not to mention they have the stupid glancing stuff set up
All the german tanks are built like boxes while the english tanks are super curvy
limber anchor
The German tanks should have great armor great guns and shit mobility
solid hinge
So shots bounce off the english tanks all the time
stoic aspen
You know how @stoic breach showed the bug fixes for 4.4?
stoic breach
At least Pz4 has good splash damage
limber anchor
In reality the tigers would either break down or run out of ammo before they were destroyed lol
stoic breach
Hm?
stoic aspen
Why aren't they fixing this shit instead of those little issues?
stoic breach
Because its by design
limber anchor
What do you mean
stoic aspen
Or why don't they include it in the bug fixes
solid hinge
pz4 is like, one of the actual balanced tanks
stoic aspen
The game is fucked in general
hybrid dock
it just works
stoic breach
Pz4, german farming equipment
hybrid dock
ITS A FEATURE
limber anchor
@solid hinge yea I love the panzer 4
solid hinge
you either spec it to be great at anti infantry and shit at anti armour or good at anti armour and sub-par at anti infantry
stoic aspen
Guy
stoic breach
It is
stoic breach
And then you have JU88C being the best plane in the game
hybrid dock
yës
limber anchor
@solid hinge that’s how the tanks should be balanced
stoic aspen
Planes are a big no no
stoic aspen
I hate people that use them
stoic breach
Yes
zenith pendant
why
limber anchor
That has to be a joke
stoic breach
The best pilot in the world uses the JU88C to dogfight
stoic aspen
I swear I get bombed every 3 seconds by a player
zenith pendant
yeah and ?
stoic aspen
It's like fuck off please
stoic breach
JU88C doesnt need mobility when it can melt other planes
limber anchor
Doesn’t mean it’s the best lol
stoic aspen
That's why I don't like planes
solid hinge
@limber anchor agreed, they just arent
hybrid dock
dude I can use planes to do my boys at assignments, in going to do them
hybrid dock
fuck off
zenith pendant
JU88A can melt planes with Waffenbehalter
solid hinge
the Ju-88 is genuinely incredibly good at everything
zenith pendant
doesn't mean it's a good dogfighter
hybrid dock
no its not
limber anchor
I prefer the Stuka
solid hinge
numba C
hybrid dock
it's slow and turns terribly
stoic breach
It can out-dps every other brit plane
zenith pendant
Me too, I prefer stuka
solid hinge
juicy
hybrid dock
and it's huge
zenith pendant
Outdps-ing planes does not matter
stoic aspen
No one uses dogfighters in bf1 people that use planes just use bombers
zenith pendant
because planes don't statically face each other and unload
limber anchor
Stuka plus 37 mm cannons equals heaven
solid hinge
and it gets heavy gunners with 4 x 20mms
zenith pendant
they chase and dodge and weave
stoic breach
solid hinge
you dont need to chase if the thing youre shooting at dies in an under 1 second burst
hybrid dock
I feel like the Blenheim with the explosive .50 is good for CAS
zenith pendant
yeah and if it gets dropped on by a VA ?
limber anchor
I really hope bf6 maps are huge because that would open up the planes a lot
zenith pendant
or a mosquito with 50cals + increased RoF
hybrid dock
because it's pretty fast and has bombs
stoic aspen
bf6 lmao
hybrid dock
plus free explosive 50
stoic breach
BF is over
limber anchor
Really bad company 3
stoic breach
BFV should've been BF1 2.0
hybrid dock
so the splash damage kills inf
stoic aspen
Hope they don't fuck up bf6 if it ever will be a thing
Well Ima head to bed, Goodnights guys have a good one
solid hinge
the earlier mosquito is weaker to the later mosquito in every way
stoic breach
cya
limber anchor
Bye
stoic breach
interesting
stoic breach
They need to focus on making a good game first
solid hinge
they've done bad with the specs in this one
stoic breach
The spec system in general
limber anchor
That too but the vehicles are really mistreated
solid hinge
and in giving the classes actual anti vehicle options
theres nothing any infantry can do about a tank beyond 50 metres other than attempt to hit it with fausts or piats so it backs off for like 3 seconds to repair
limber anchor
@solid hinge do think the game should have more than 4 classes?
limber anchor
I personally think it would be easier to balance
solid hinge
More classes is more roles for my teammates not to do
solid hinge
I have my hands full being the only person spotting in the first place
hybrid dock
just 1 class
limber anchor
Assault should be a rifleman class
solid hinge
demolitions
limber anchor
And there should be a dedicated anti vehicle class
solid hinge
things that break fortifications also break tanks
limber anchor
@solid hinge exactly
solid hinge
that just makes sense though
hybrid dock
dynamite should go to support
stoic breach
Assault is dedicated anti vehicle though
limber anchor
That’s what I meant by more classes
hybrid dock
change my mind
solid hinge
Support deserves close range anti tank tools
stoic breach
Limpet charge as well
solid hinge
like that magnetic sticky mine thing
hybrid dock
limpet
limber anchor
Assault shouldn’t have that much range and be able to shit on tanks
limber anchor
That’s op
stoic breach
Assault should be the majority pick anyways
its not
Flexibility class
Assault can shit on bad tankers
limber anchor
They have the best guns already
stoic breach
Good tankers dont let assaults get close
limber anchor
They shouldn’t be anti tank as well
solid hinge
i dunno if it's good tankers so much as tankers that know the only effective way to play tanks
stoic breach
Assault losing AT power is dumb