yeah thats my load out for APCs as well as boats
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
midnight nimbus
my LAV loadout depends on maps
and i swap out Zunis for PRMs on the MAA if there are planes
don't need PRMs against helis
spiral trail
e
slate carbon
did they nerd the m30s range?
prime pine
Yeah im playing right now raz
Raze
Im planning on getting off soon though.
I got jobs and cooking to do.
stoic breach
Dang
prime pine
Thinking of making cinnamon rolls...
lilac umbra
dark sorrel
Honestly tho
What the fuck
It's like they've never developed a game before and are just chucking shit at the wall to see what sticks
"Fortnite style customisation! Uh wait actually just WW2 uniforms if they were designed by people that think The Joker is a role model..."
"Fuck the low TTK we going back to BF1 speeds! Wait, we should have consulted the players first... Er... Some people can have the high TTK some can have the low! Oh shit we don't have a strong playerbase, have your old TTK back."
"We know our main appeal is huge scale open combat, but we thought we'd put a Battle Royale in and even though we're super hyped, it won't be ready at launch. But for those who like open maps, here's literally a giant field with tanks on either end! Also most our new maps are small scale for our exciting 5v5!!"
They're not going to foster a competitive scene in a bug riddled game nearly a fucking year after it released
I can't wait for the Eastern Front to be represented as a 6v6 hero shooter
wild jacinth
like i said theres like 2 people working on bfv
idk but theres definitely 2 people working on bfv and rest of the team focusing on bf6
thats why they're making small maps 2 people can make small maps but 64 people can make big maps
solid hinge
BF6 will be even worse
dark sorrel
Dice clearly don't have a clue what they want their product to be
wild jacinth
yeah i dont really understand the lets release a 64 player game but since all the other shooters have lesser players versing each other so they want to apply to those people that do and dont play this game for that element.
like that 4 v 4 mode or 5 v 5 mode in bf1
i never even played it
dark sorrel
BF1 was the same game from the first trailer to the last content pack, there was a cohesive design philosophy that ran throughout the game.
The only time they diverged from that was that weird 5v5 incursions mode and they scrapped it because they realised it wouldn't benefit the game
tight tusk
General feedback says that the community wants a modern bf next
Which I agree with tbh
wild jacinth
yeah
tight tusk
Wasn’t good tho
wild jacinth
but it had ligma
dark sorrel
Meanwhile BF V has tried to be about five games at this point
wild jacinth
i mean thats why its probably called battlefield V duhhh
solid hinge
I like it when I ask for a specific build, and center it around the AT rifle...
And those special people, who know the "meta" and who come in, twinkle toed and great big smiles on their faces go "Ooh! But that gun isn't in the meta! For whatever reason would you want a build for that? I advise you use the gewer!"
If I wanted a build for that gun...
I WOULDA ASKED
tight tusk
Ikr
wild jacinth
i like firestorm but it just needs more detailers areas and guns, tanks and uhhh maybe a...
uh
you know like playerbase
dark sorrel
I guess people were more supportive of it in BF 1 because the game was in a very good state with a huge variety of maps and content, so chucking in a dumb 5v5 mode toward the end of the games' cycle was just whatever
tight tusk
Can’t have a player base without servers lmao
solid hinge
Fucken who even plays firestorm?
tight tusk
I would if they had any oce servers
dark sorrel
Whereas BF V has fuck all content and two whole maps have been given to a mode nobody cares about
wild jacinth
oh yeah so what pissed me off about bf1
tight tusk
But every time I queue for it I get like 13 minute waits and an eu server
wild jacinth
was the dlc releases
wild jacinth
took them like a month to release the 2 other maps for example when they had teh Australian dlc they relelased 2 maps month and the rest the next month thats when we started seeing dice gimping
compact oxide
Eww to both
wild jacinth
are those bfv maps?
dark sorrel
BF 1 maps have a very strong sense of place to them I feel
compact oxide
Eh, I bought premium
wild jacinth
premium was sad you didn't even get the maps on time.
compact oxide
Amiens is actually real balanced
dark sorrel
I hate DLC and mtx and all that shit but the expansion content system worked much better than what we got now
wild jacinth
i just cant understand how they have like amiens 24/7
compact oxide
Sounds like your team sucks then 
coarse thunder
Writing notes down for my conspiracy theory rn
compact oxide
Waaait, you're saying the E-F side is worse off?! 
It's probably like 10% better off
coarse thunder
@steady nymph DICE/EA purposelly made ToW "shit" to make people nostalgic for the premium pass
dark sorrel
As in "were making maps themed around x nation or event, let's put together a cohesive set of maps and scenarios and weapons"
compact oxide
Honestly I never had an issue with premium
Or any season pass, so long as you buy it once and you're good
Destiny 2 pisses me off that you can't buy it once
coarse thunder
I have pretty good evidence that my theory is right
coarse thunder
✍
compact oxide
Yay
But achi baba is my fav map of all bf tbh
That or one of the dragon ones in bf4
coarse thunder
$20 is $20
wild jacinth
i mean srsly guys
this game should just free to play
so no one has to be disappointed anymore
solid hinge
or they could just make a good game
wild jacinth
this game has lack of content. No the community can be like hey man its a free to play game
coarse thunder
Then they'll make the boins micros more prevalent
wild jacinth
thats fine
coarse thunder
Get ready to see rare outfits become boins only lol
solid hinge
wasn't there a f2p battlefield? or was that some weird dream I had?
Battlefield Play4Free
wild jacinth
solid hinge
holy shit this was a thing
coarse thunder
Bf5 bad bf1 good what you mean
wild jacinth
that link is jack flags playing bf heroes in 2019
compact oxide
👀
coral fiber
?
compact oxide
wild jacinth
uh oh
coarse thunder
I'm considering changing my nickname again
coral fiber
dark sorrel
Anyone wanna play Insurgency Sand Storm?
solid hinge
Is there any difference between the standard and deluxe edition of bf1?
bronze grotto
5v5 maps lol lol ol lolol
solid hinge
Like do you miss out on dlc maps or something
spiral trail
@solid hinge deluxe edition is a scam
bronze grotto
u mean getting red and white stripes on ur starting gun is not a scam? 
spiral trail
you miss out on good maps
solid hinge
Alright thanks I’ll wait for the premium version to go on sale
spiral trail
And good weapons
solid hinge
I need something else from bf5
solid hinge
A fast paced fps game which isn’t battlefield 5
spiral trail
see? bfv disappoints almost everyone
If you're looking for a ww2 game, i suggest hell let loose or post scriptum.
solid hinge
Call of duty games on pc tend to do poor due to a lack of support and hacker infestations. I don’t trust them too, as they promised micro transactions later on after launch
I like fps games with different play styles and weapons to unlock/master
Rainbow 6 is extremely slow
I have the game
I just like playing fast paced shooters during breaks and some free time when I want to relieve stress
Played 2016 on ultra violence
New one comes out in October right?
Well battlefield 5 only has like 9 months of juice left before battlefield 2020 is announced
Isn’t it hardline 2?
Wait battlefield Vietnam
Imagine the camping
dark sorrel
Play Ion Fury
It's sick
o
Wolfenstein: The New Order and The Old Blood are a fun romp
compact oxide
Ye, new order and old blood are freaking amazeballs games
dark sorrel
Also I weirdly rly enjoy the Single Player campaign for CoD: Advanced Warfare, even with the meme'd F To Pay Respects shit
compact oxide
New order immediately starts you off with what the game will be like
dark sorrel
Ye
coarse thunder
Yeehaw kevin spacey
dark sorrel
I guess (or at least hope) it wasn't deliberate on their part???
coarse thunder
It wasn't publicized till almost last year
coarse thunder
Lmao watch supersize me and jared from subway is there talking to highschoolers
compact oxide
Kevin Spacey is a great actor, no matter what kind of scum he is
So that's what I view it as
dark sorrel
I mean you're always gonna have this issue with casting
A big name doing something bad and then retroactively ruining your product
Uninstall the game because DED GAME
coarse thunder
It would get people interested in the game again
Especially when bf6 pulls the same floppery in the future
compact oxide
I still wouldn't play BFV if it was all content and bots
I don't play battlefield for bots, I play to flex 
solid hinge
tbh, from decades of playing battlefiled, I wouldn't expect the next one until 2021
fathom pebble
They have an actual AI that plays the maps for them to test and stress test
solid hinge
yeah exactly
fathom pebble
Depends
AI is quite interesting mostly when they can learn how to play tye game by themselfs
Which is the case
zenith pendant
Hello, fellow battlefielders
fathom pebble
BF been having 2 years of dev time each IIRC fromstart to release
zenith pendant
It's morning where i come from
fathom pebble
Then the game gets 2 years of live service
zenith pendant
What did I miss
solid hinge
if you want a finished game .. im not a huge fan of BFBC2 but the one thing they got right was they took their own time to get it right .. 2006 BF2142 ..2009 BFBC2
that should be the benchmark for the franchise
compact oxide
I'd prefer a finished game overall, I can fill time
And if they hit on a winner then go ahead and release the next game built onto the last
fathom pebble
I mean independent the time they have of development I think its more about the decisions and getting the things done with the time projected by the teams
compact oxide
If they find a game that is great fun don't chuck it out after the 2-3 years for a crap one
fathom pebble
Its like star wars battlefront 2
solid hinge
well yeah .. BF Vietnam (2004) was almost the same game as BF1942, just with a UI change and a few code tweaks (not counting the maps, soldiers and weapons)
fathom pebble
Smooth solid game, almost bugless
zenith pendant
No new primaries tgo
fathom pebble
Only thing that ruined was their loot crates and card system
zenith pendant
Since launch
fathom pebble
They fixed it and now the game is actually interesting
tacit kelp
Did DIce make in BF4 or BF3 small maps only for smaller modes??
compact oxide
Honestly I feel BFV has too many new primaries
fathom pebble
They did for BF3 a dlc only with small maps
solid hinge
sure, BF3 & 4 had many small map and game modes
fathom pebble
For domination and tdm
zenith pendant
Dude that's some dangerous talk you talk, Derrik
tacit kelp
Ok, thx for info
zenith pendant
You'd get burned alive by bfv reddit for thay
solid hinge
even regular conquest .. hang on, let me take a screenie of procon
zenith pendant
That*
fathom pebble
Bf4 think small maps was just small areas from already big maps out of conquest
We are civilized in here @zenith pendant
zenith pendant
Of course, wdym
rich ember
BF3 had the Close Quarters DLC, which is a DLC i think should've been ported to BF4.
instead of having the fucking Naval Strike DLC.
Fuck the navy, dude.
zenith pendant
I was not the one that trolled you yesterday
So idk why you ask me that question
But okay
rich ember
i fucking hated it.
fathom pebble
Carrier mode could have been better tbh
prime pine
Gotta love how you play games then everyone in your fucking team leaves cause they dont like close games.
rich ember
All of the maps suck for conquest and i don't care about the fucking carrier mode, i just don't.
fathom pebble
@solid hinge If only they did a titan mode again like in BF2142
I did love tdm/domination on the naval strike maps. They were inside of the carrier only
compact oxide
People seem to love the idea of Titan mode
coarse thunder
Time to write my second conspiracy theory
compact oxide
Didn't play back then myself
fathom pebble
Titan mode was great
solid hinge
scrren snip from the server admin program of BF4 (my clan's server) available maps for one of the DLCs
fathom pebble
They tried to replicate in BF4 but they didnt the way it was alike the original one
Basically titan mode was
fathom pebble
Capture areas like conquest style then missile would launch and hit the titan in the air
U had to down the shields then next fase was the assault on the titan
rich ember
@solid hinge i don't know what i'm meant to get from this
solid hinge
titan mode was like conquest large with tanks + inf only rush
fathom pebble
Where u had to land or using the pods from the ground vehicles
Enter the carrier and destroy the core of it to win
The transport vehicle with the pods was fun
solid hinge
@rich ember that was a response to @tacit kelp question aboout BF4, does though not read?
fathom pebble
Park it under then launch urself into the air to the carrier
Not to talk about the mechs
Shit was scary as infantry
rich ember
oh
zenith pendant
Anyways, tell me
rich ember
was further up than i expected
fathom pebble
@solid hinge Getting stepped on by enemy mechs all the time trying to run away from them 
zenith pendant
So naturally people would assume that they don't support big modes, right?
Right?
rich ember
People are mad about the 5v5 because they feel like they're being disregarded to cater to people who don't play the game anymore.
compact oxide
Because 5v5 was a waste of time in BF1
solid hinge
lmao I loved the mechs
zenith pendant
I played the incursions
compact oxide
They're putting effort into something that people have already given up for dead
fathom pebble
Do u know how fast it died?
Because devs were pushing their shitty ideas into a comp 5v5 that made 0 sense
zenith pendant
Yes, but does not answer my question
fathom pebble
The classes were horrible in incursions
compact oxide
Because it's wasted dev time @zenith pendant
fathom pebble
Like Br, base game now 5v5
coarse thunder
I was gonna get incursions for the arebo club but it wouldn't work upon launch so
zenith pendant
If people knew that 5v5 maps were coming all along why didn't they cause an outrage back then
Why wait for gamescom and then be mad
fathom pebble
And tbh jf u want a strong 5v5 game mode u got look at leading games like R6S or csgo
Which they focus on the whole thing
solid hinge
they both should have been farmed out like Apex was to free to play
fathom pebble
And DICE has to focus on the casua base game, tue BR and now the 5v5
rich ember
I think DICE are trying to cater to people who have stopped playing Battlefield already.
fathom pebble
I do enjoy good competitive 5v5 if its done right
rich ember
They had their chance, but they ignored them. Now they're gone, and DICE wants them back.
stoic breach
BFV to begin with wasnt meant to cater to the casual playerbase
compact oxide
They even hung around for BF1 because whilst it wasn't comp it was fun but BFV is dull as
fathom pebble
Not throwing random elements and then a class system that makes no sense along with game mods that doesn't work with a competitve 5v5
zenith pendant
My friends and I find bfv to be fun
And I am not coming back to 3d spotting, no thank you
fathom pebble
Idk but playing incursions in bf1 felt like was playing a cod gamemode but there's a tank on each team
compact oxide
I've come around to 3d spotting being a necessary evil
rich ember
@zenith pendant I hope you play a better game at some point in your life.
fathom pebble
From horrible netcode to insane bugs that made no sense and broken weapons and ended up one of the most popular BF games
prime pine
Tracking people on bf1 was laughably easy.
fathom pebble
And everyone pronning everywhere
zenith pendant
Are we talking about mmgs now
compact oxide
There was plenty of ways to get around 3d spotting in bf1 anyway
compact oxide
Exactly
zenith pendant
prime pine
Maybe only mmg fire gets them spotted on the minimap
echo glen
A good counter to prone snipers and machine gunners was 3d spotting
zenith pendant
Like what
compact oxide
I really dislike those milsim games
compact oxide
zenith pendant
Nah man i can't
fathom pebble
@compact oxide I enjoy some good king of the hill in arma 3
zenith pendant
I like bfv for it's gameplay too much
echo glen
BFV's ship was sinking already, then DICE scuttled it
rich ember
I'd probably enjoy Rising Storm 2 more if i could run it better.
fathom pebble
Server with 100 players and doing 33v33v33
rich ember
Arma's just not my thing.
coarse thunder
Three faction battles?
coarse thunder
Unless this is the current middle east situation or the apocalypse I can't really see that happening
fathom pebble
U can play only with 2 but also all 3
compact oxide
Don't make the next game a real war
fathom pebble
BF would be funny
spare gorge
fathom pebble
Having british, americans and french at once
coarse thunder
compact oxide
It's always best to have some artistic license and not have any chance of pissing off realism freaks
coarse thunder
I mean even a cold war gone hot alt scenario would just be the soviet union-led govts and the soviet union versus basically the entire west
fathom pebble
@compact oxide the thing about BF is that its a good semi big scale game and casual. Turning it into a milsim or a realistic sorta insirgebcy shooter would kill the franchise
compact oxide
Exactly, which is why BFV was a step in the wrong direction
Having a non real war and having all this crazy crap going on would be awesome
fathom pebble
Thats why if u want realism and milsim play arma or squad or insurgency: sandstorm since they are focused and developed in that way
compact oxide
Casual sandbox is what I want for bf6
fathom pebble
Same
compact oxide
Hell, go full crazy and do steampunk/borderlandsesque
fathom pebble
I mean look at cod mw, tbh they seem to try keep the game as a cod alike and not trying to shift it beyond what cod shouldnt be
coarse thunder
CoD has basically the same multiplayer formula forever, with experimental tweaks added for community reaction
rich ember
i'm waiting for someone to go on about how CoD bad
coarse thunder
I mean the micros are pretty bad but that's really it
sonic moss
My friend who is a big cod supporter is not getting modern warefare
coarse thunder
Burnt out?
sonic moss
Not sure
compact oxide
No Minimap
sonic moss
And i on the other hand who hasn't really touched cod I'm getting it
echo glen
Maybe he has PTSD from the previous cods
compact oxide
Actual bullet physics and no hitscan
coarse thunder
I played for a decade plus, burnt out sometime around Black Ops 3
echo glen
I'll get cod, I need something other than BFV on Ps4
compact oxide
I'm gonna get the beta and if I like I'll buy
sonic moss
Same
compact oxide
I can stomach MTX to a lesser degree
echo glen
Maybe when the open beta releases I'll play
rich ember
i'm heavily annoyed when MTX exists
so i'll just not buy it.
like, 100% of the time, i don't buy it.
coarse thunder
I have a bunch of open world narrative games on the ps4 when I don't feel like multiplayer
rich ember
"why are you like this"
sonic moss
Also was it me or did the Beta of BFV had better visuals
rich ember
that's probably some form of nostalgia or things seeming better in retrospect
coarse thunder
It had better cosmetics lol and faster firing coaxial mgs but that's what I remember
dark sorrel
My beef with CoD is that it became a rly annoying twitch shooter for a while
Like I really enjoyed it up to WaW but I thought MW2's MP was awful after a while
Black Ops 3 had a good MP though
With the wall running and stuff
coarse thunder
I stopped playing mw2 the day I got hacked to level up everytime I killed somebody
hybrid dock
but the hackers in mw2 are so fun
dark sorrel
You have the option between the following as a sidearm:
- A pistol
- Dual-wielded lever action shotguns which are lethal at assault rifle distances
rich ember
people tend to forget those got nerfed
dark sorrel
I still remember them being godlike up to the launch of Black Ops
Also the new MW has some pretty cool features to do away with the shit I don't like it seems
TTK seems a little higher and sprinting is de-incentivised by you going into a run which takes longer to bring the weapon up
coarse thunder
I hope there is no op perk that everyone runs
hybrid dock
hardline pro
dark sorrel
There's been some real broken perks in CoD over the years LOL
hoary condor
Commando Pro 
dark sorrel
Was that the one where your knife had an attack distance equal to like five times the size of the map?
hybrid dock
commando pro
and thats quite the hyperbole
it was probably two people lengths
at most
coarse thunder
Doesn't stop the cars from exploding when you jump onto them from a building
upper plank
dark sorrel
the new beretta sounds like it has the same sound as like three other guns???
coarse thunder
Do you have a clip of it firing?
dark sorrel
If you don't mind him, the start of the new jackfrags vid has it
(maybe go incognito)
coarse thunder
Because I know the ribey and the mp40 share a tactical reload anim but that's it for similarities
zenith pendant
Oh yeah, we are getting "letters from the front" too
I can imagine that won't go well
dark sorrel
What's that?
coarse thunder
?
dark sorrel
random bits of "lore"?
zenith pendant
Don't you read this week in battlefield
coarse thunder
No I play once a week
dark sorrel
So basically "here's why you should keep playing don't worry it'll get better I promise!!!! Just put some Boins down and we might release Al-Sudan!!!!"
coarse thunder
So a dev ama?
zenith pendant
I don't think it's a dev ama
dark sorrel
There are a lot of jobs I wouldn't want to do and doing the AMA for the BF V community is definitely in that category
zenith pendant
Reddit ama go like this
"Hello, I am sound designer for guns in BFV, ama!"
WHERE ALSOONDONE
WHY OUTRAGEOUS ELITE SKINS
CONTENT DRIP FEED
EA SHILL
coarse thunder
EA bad
zenith pendant
And then at the end, when the poor sod is done answering what he actually can
The "Community" deem the ama a failure
That's how a BFV ama will go down
Actually fuck reddit for a while
At least r/bfv
Same shit in different phrasing
coarse thunder
Easy place to karma farm
prime pine
Ive got for light bolt thompson
For medic
Figured if im going to go medic i go tommy
frigid roost
fuck me another knife.. this isn't CSGO....
stoic breach
frigid roost
I'm just catching up on the reddit and gamescom stuff... wish I hadn't now..
stoic breach
Fairburn Sykes knife
frigid roost
At least COD WW2 had the weapons I wanted from launch shame it's a dead game now.
dark sorrel
Honestly if I were in EA's shoes at this point I'd focus all efforts on doing what people love the series for
With the rep the game has and the time it's had out, adding a 5v5 and smaller maps isn't going to bring in a new audience
The tacticool community has stuff like CS and Siege, I doubt BF V will with them over at this juncture
win them over*
Also I'm sorry but
???
rich ember
EA doesn't care about what people love the series for, they only care about getting as much money out of people as possible.
Everything they've done is because they thought it would be profitable for them in some manner.
solid hinge
I've decided to unsubscribe from Levelcap after looking at his most recent video, which had not him, but ANOTHER person going "THE GAME ISN'T FINISHED" like that's a bad thing and then his comments were filled with "It's such a bad game 😔😔😔😔 smhhh playing bf1 instead"
Like... shut the fuck up.
Besides we all know he's going to upload another video of him getting kill-streaks and shit in BFV and claim that he loves the game regardless of EVERYTHING his new friend just said in that video.
timid sequoia
rich ember
who are you
solid hinge
Somebody complaining, you?
rich ember
no not you
rich ember
why are you linking your own twitter
gray glade
I dont think he had the editor do voice over because he was afraid of voicing his opinion
solid hinge
Me neither
gray glade
writing a script and recording it takes time and its not always youtubers have time when they are at events
gray glade
yeah
solid hinge
It still doesn't change the hypocrisy
dark sorrel
Gotta get that double revenue
solid hinge
One minute he rates the game at BEST a 5/10 and then he uploads him "Showing off the meta!" Or "getting one billion kills!" Or some dumb shit and it really just makes me want to make him eat his words, especially when his subscribers are just that goddamn dumb that they'll eat up ANY negative media and he KNOWS they will, so instead of trying to HELP the game grow, by showing off the little details or the interesting mechanics, he just says "GAME BAD, GAME OKAY, GAME BAD, ME NO LIKE"
dark sorrel
Smash a video up ASAP so you don't get beat to the punch then actually write a script
Pointing out that the reload animations are nice helps the game about as much as saying "ITS DUMB AND I HATE IT"
solid hinge
^^^
dark sorrel
The trick is to critique with suggestions on how to improve it
gray glade
i honestly didnt finish watching any of the youtubers videos this weekend
i managed to watch jackfrags video for about 2 minutes after i turned it off
depressing shit 😄
solid hinge
Of course, but he DOESN'T do that.
He just goes "Game no worky on my computron" and then blames it on BFV not his own PC.
rich ember
the reload animations are nice. But most people don't care about that.
solid hinge
I care about it but that's because of OCD
rich ember
well that's great but you are not the majority of the playerbase, i'm sorry to say
dark sorrel
I mean, DICE's actions at this point could be down to two things:
-
They've realised BF V is tarnished forever in the eyes of their standard audience, so they're going to put stuff in that will appeal to an audience who are into different things (Battle Royales, smaller squad based gameplay, etc
-
They genuinely have no idea what they're doing and are just spitballing in the hopes that something takes
solid hinge
I think it's 2 for now, but it'll become 1
gray glade
battle royale was announced before the game was even tarnished all that much tho
personally I think that dice are mostly moving on to new things atm, keeping a minor ammount of devs to produce new content for BFV but mostly just focusing on whatever is next
dark sorrel
BF V's biggest problem is that it came after BF 1, which felt like a real passion project with a vision of what they wanted the game to be, how it should look and how they wanted to depict World War I's combat in a way that's engaging for a wide audience who might not enjoy the actual way the war was fought
By comparison, BF V just feels like they were told to make it. Like EA just chucked a brief at them with things people liked: "People like World War II. Fortnite is popular at the moment, so include Fortnite style customisation and a Battle Royale, maybe some building too. Oh, it's really in for companies to be 'woke' at the moment so do something about that as well. You've got six months."
slim pewter
W E J U S T W A N T 5 V 5
zenith pendant
Why are people mad at the mermaid skin
It's a tiny miniscule detail that you won't see 90% of the time unless you specifically loot enemies in order to look at it
dark sorrel
Like the massive collection of Codex entries, interesting takes on uniforms that incorporated some of the weirder aspects of World War I, stuff like making Cavalry viable and making the tanks feel like they were breakthrough monsters, all that shit vs. BF V which is just an FPS
IDK
I guess because the big demand from the community ATM is to make the game feel and look more like a World War II game
zenith pendant
but it already does look and feel like WW2
not everything was a shithole like stalingrad or normandy landigs
and not everything had a dark grey filter slapped on top of it to make a movie
dark sorrel
And my knowledge of World War II is kinda limited (I mostly studied Balkan history and medieval stuff) but I'm fairly sure people didn't have Mermaids stuck to the front of their guns
stoic breach
@dark sorrel People left DICE because they didnt like the vision for BFV
zenith pendant
Do you expect Arras fields filled with flowers on a sunny as fuck day to be dull in colour ?
stoic breach
BF1 was absolutely a passion project
gray glade
the BFV community are experts are blowing things out of proportion
zenith pendant
Because CoD just went into space again
and everyone was like "fuck that"
and then out comes BF1
dark sorrel
I would counter that @zenith pendant by saying that Battlefield I felt and looked like a World War I game despite only having a few maps set in muddy trenches
zenith pendant
a tripple A WW1 Shooter
stoic breach
CoD was chasing the trend of enhanced mobility for so long and fucked up with it
zenith pendant
Literally nothing on the tripple A game market had that
They hit a bullseye on a blue moon
and it paid off
dark sorrel
And other stuff like IDK if you guys ever played Red Orchestra which is set on the Eastern Front and that had loads of maps which weren't crawling around the ruins of a bombed city and that felt like a World War II game
zenith pendant
Here we had Trevor Noah, a guy that didn't give a shit, hosting the reveal
stoic breach
BFV could've benefitted from being the WW2 version of the gameplay people loved from BF1
zenith pendant
Red Orchestra and Battlefield are 2 completely seperate games gameplay wise
Where one strives for realism (which TWI always does in their shooters), the other strives for a sandbox feel
dark sorrel
But we're talking about capturing the look and feel of World War II without doing Normandy or Stalingrad
zenith pendant
@stoic breach WW2 version of gameplay from BF1
Aside from MMG and no sweetspot
that's what it is
dark sorrel
The big problem BF V had is that they said they wanted to cover the aspects of World War II which aren't seen very often in the media
Which is cool, I love that. HOWEVER, the fact they just made it UK vs. Germany ruined that
stoic breach
Just an updated version of BF1 would've been fine
stoic breach
No
Gunplay, mechanics, alot of things are different
Artstyle is different
Even things like hitboxes are different
zenith pendant
gunplay is different for the better without bloom on first few shots, imo
dark sorrel
Also, the fact it was initially set very precisely around the start of the war during launch, but the default assault weapon was designed in the final days of the second world war by a cash-strapped Nazi government
dark sorrel
Also too many World War I prototypes from BF 1 were ported over
zenith pendant
with germans the only team with tanks
stoic breach
Gunplay is just easier in BFV, even though they were so fixated on recoil and making it more difficult
zenith pendant
and no AT for assault
stoic breach
They just made it more annoying
dark sorrel
They still had SMG's and auto-rifles and shit at the start
gray glade
gunplay in bfv is just so more reliable tho
stoic breach
They didnt remove spread
Its still in the game
Spread gets converted to visual recoil now
dark sorrel
They should have included stuff like:
Battles between the French and Germany as the French defensive lines collapsed
Some shit at Dunkirk between the British and the Germans
stoic breach
Yeah French could've been in the game
dark sorrel
French, Vichy French, Danish army, Resistance, British Expeditionary Force, British Army, commando skins, that shit
stoic breach
@zenith pendant They did make videos about recoil patterns but like
eh
Its just spread being skewed in a specific direction
gray glade
its not always in a specific direction for mmg's btw
the mg42 for example has a tiny bit of randomized spread
stoic breach
MMGs are just weird
gray glade
like the 3rd and 4th bullets sometimes go left and sometimes right
stoic breach
Yeah after a few bullets its like sort of random
frigid roost
Feel like the mg42 has been nerfed now.
stoic breach
It hasnt
zenith pendant
how
dark sorrel
BF 1 had:
British Army, Royal Navy, ANZAC, Royal Italian Army, the US Army, French Republic, Russian Empire, Soviet Union, German Empire, Austro-Hungary, the Ottomans
BF V has:
The British, The Germans
😦 😦 😦
frigid roost
It fires better as a burst fire but doesn't matter because suppression isn't a thing so you get one tapped between bursts and ttk.
zenith pendant
don't burst then
stoic breach
@dark sorrel Thats what happens when near 100 employees leave the company after 2018
frigid roost
Continuous fire you just get random spread so ttk seems higher, or at least on my end it did.
stoic breach
Bursting is pretty good though since spread decrease is really fast for it
Actually, spread decrease is pretty good for everything except SLRs
zenith pendant
yesterday I met an aimbotter cheater in grand ops
he shared some info about the anti-cheat
appereantly, it's stat based
so if your stats get too good, you get banned or smth like that
when asked why he cheated, he answered "I want to come back from work and relax"
gray glade
fair fight does that
steel agate
I'm pretty sure that was for BF1
gray glade
yeah
zenith pendant
yay, shame I learn physics for the next hour
gray glade
in bf1 i remember a cheater joining the game, and fair fight actually worked fast enough to ban him for cheating at the end of the match
even if its the same anti cheat now, i remember it feeling more secure back then
steel agate
I really don't think there's an anti-cheat that's active at the moment
I see the same hackers on occasion
They are all the way in the back, hipfiring with their MGs, getting all HS and topping the leaderboard
I just want the obvious hackers dealt with
The suspicious players... well, suspicions aren't sufficient to warrant a kick/ban
The obvious hackers should be banned, they'll have to buy a new BFV, DICE makes more money, everyone's happy
If they hire one EA employed CM to kick those super obvious hackers, I think it may actually pay for the salary itself since many of those hackers seem to repurchase the game.
zenith pendant
who wants to play some BFV in an hour
stoic breach
Fairfight was used with another system in previous BF games
BFV just uses Fairfight by itself
Its why the "anti-cheat" doesnt work, Fairfight isnt technically an anti-cheat program
It just collects evidence of stat outliers
zenith pendant
so it must be either paired with another system
stoic breach
Cheaters wont get noticed if they dont go on massive killstreaks
zenith pendant
or have a dude overlook it
zenith pendant
I mean it's not that far-fetched, really
stoic breach
CSGO does it so yeah, not far fetched at all
zenith pendant
it's almost like being an admin on a private server
you look for suspicious dudes
you spectate them
stoic breach
The only problem is spectator delay, CSGO doesnt have that problem cause its round-based
stoic breach
Yeah
zenith pendant
what price would you put for a banned cheater
I'd make it 20 boins for each banned cheater
banned by your hands I mean
stoic breach
Thats actually kinda sufficient as well, since theres never not going to be cheaters
drowsy basin
🐸
stoic breach
🏂
rich ember
ok
cyan terrace
guys remember its named Battlefield 5 not WWII right? so what DICE should do is to add other wars like the vietnam war or something like that
gray glade
i wouldn't get stuck on the name
polar totem
Honestly they need to fix bugs and overall game health before anything else
dark sorrel
I think that's the main issue
They keep adding (and then taking out) all these modes and shit
Instead of just focusing on improving what they've got
If they really wanted mode diversity, they should just implement private servers and let people do customs / mods
stoic breach
Servers would just be "MMGs/AT Rifles banned"
gray glade
i think i would ban bombers first
they are a curse upon my battlefield life
they fly up there virtually untouched in breakthrough
my only chance is to hope the pilot is either a complete noob or he's already damaged from flying into a tree before i start using the AA
if there even is an AA, sometimes my only hope is firing a panzerfaust and pray
dark sorrel
Vehicles should be doled out like juggernauts were in BF 1 tbh
If the defenders are putting up an iron wall, the attackers should get a few tanks or a bomber, and if the attackers are punching through the lines, the defenders should be given some time before the next wave to bring in stationary guns, get a few tanks or whatever
gray glade
that stuff dont usually help tho
often the tanks hang back way back from the objective
and the infantry that actually makes it to the objectives die to enemy infantry gathered there
dark sorrel
Tanks need to be tankier
They were great in BF1 because you take take loads of damage so could push and be brave in them
smoky horizon
@icy sluice congrats now delete the game
icy sluice
lol
stoic breach
Vehicle combat in BFV is just super stale
icy sluice
I just like absolutely ruining other people's tanks 
stoic breach
I like camping with tanks
icy sluice
I usually end up pushing with it
Most of the time I get results
Figurehead on the Breda vs Figurehead on the Madsen
rich ember
that looks cool i donno why people are complaining
icy sluice
It looks like a BF1 skin
rich ember
you look like a BF1 skin
icy sluice
Like a legendary one
rich ember
i have no problems with this
stoic breach
Madsen 😩😩
formal valve
Ehh
I’m more excited for the battered skin we saw
It has a rough and worn look, with barbed wire wrapped around it
lost pilot
jackfrags was so not interested in the new maps it was kinda depressing
formal valve
Plus, I think that one has more of a chance of being for CC
lost pilot
sniper getting 2 weps and of course assault getting another wep
icy sluice
Jackfrags is a big combined arms person so that's to be expected
supple flume
Big theory
Activision paid out dice to Abandon BFV to get everyone to switch to MW.
Cause that’s what this feels like at this point. The operation underground map they were going to test tonight apparently doesn’t work 😂
icy sluice
These two maps remind me a lot of the CQC DLC from BF3 but less CQC
formal valve
I’m with Jack
rich ember
@supple flume that is a fucking conspiracy and a half mate
icy sluice
They just said there won't be recordings of it
formal valve
?
lost pilot
jack frags said the new expansion is only 3 maps and if thats true imma stop playing bf5
lost pilot
two free maps are coming i know but the fall expansion i was told 3
formal valve
Nvm
lost pilot
i was hoping at least 5
icy sluice
Yeah but 3 maps before 2020 which means more will come
5 is a lot for an expansion
3-4 is the usual number for expansions
formal valve
My friend was being way too optimistic
lost pilot
they said it was gonna be huge and be a game changer but 3 maps does not change a thing imo
lost pilot
i feel
icy sluice
3 maps is what is usually given with expansions
lost pilot
usually 5 for bf
or 4
but like i said they said its going to change the game
not 3 maps tho lmao
icy sluice
I count 3 maps from Apocalypse
formal valve
^
lost pilot
i didnt like apoca
supple flume
formal valve
3 maps and two skybox ports lmao
lost pilot
looool
icy sluice
London Calling and that other plane one does not count as they're pretty much direct ports from single player
formal valve
Razors edge
icy sluice
@supple flume That is to be expected...
formal valve
Turning Tides Imo was the best one
lost pilot
right!
supple flume
Wasn’t broken before 
icy sluice
Turning Tides added 4 maps although one was very small
formal valve
Which was odd
lost pilot
They can pull and activision and just reboot BF3 and have it come with bc2 both remastered and id b fine
pls dice
stoic breach
Achi Baba 😩
formal valve
Why add a infy only map in a expansion geared toward naval invasions and combat?
Never maid sense to me
supple flume
Bf3 remaster would outsell bfv 100%
stoic breach
It was the inland part though
lost pilot
1000000 percent
stoic breach
It made sense
formal valve
Yeah but
icy sluice
You mean just fucking make another modern game?
lost pilot
I JUST WANT WAKE ISLAND
icy sluice
I never get the point of remastering a Battlefield game
formal valve
Kinda just a wasted slot
supple flume
When they actually gave a shit about making a game 🤡
formal valve
Imo
stoic breach
Why would BF3 even need a remaster
icy sluice
Yeah just make another fucking modern game
formal valve
For consoles
icy sluice
Backwards compatibility
icy sluice
Oh wait PS4 doesn't have that lol
rich ember
Remaster for consoles
lost pilot
bf3 on a new engine would be sick
rich ember
neh
lost pilot
ray trace and all
formal valve
Gib 64 players to us console plebeians pls
rich ember
oh fuck off with the ray tracing meme
icy sluice
You don't need a good computer to run Battlefield 3
lost pilot
lol
rich ember
as if any of you people would use it anyway.
stoic breach
BF1 just has everything I could want to play
rich ember
on multiplayer?
lost pilot
yep
formal valve
Am I an asshole for doing this? https://twitter.com/eastonwaguespa1/status/1164496970586775552?s=21
lost pilot
it really changes the game
lost pilot
do u have an rtx
rich ember
no cause unfortunately i'm not bloody rich
lost pilot
ok then u have no real opinion
rich ember
i have an opinion.
icy sluice
Imagine spending $800 for better reflections.
rich ember
it looks better but runs worse and is absolutely worthless for multiplayer games.
stoic breach
lost pilot
thats ur opinion
stoic breach
I'm pretty sure its more than $800
rich ember
yes but you said i have no real opinion
lost pilot
exactly
icy sluice
BUT YOU CAN SEE YOURSELF THROUGH THE REFLECTION OF THE WATER
rich ember
@stoic breach 2080 Ti is like $1.2k
lost pilot
its funny ppl shit on rtx but dont own one
icy sluice
AND THE REFLECTION OF YOUR GUN
stoic breach
Yeah I was gonna say
formal valve
OWOAH
stoic breach
$1200 for better reflections nice
formal valve
THE GRAFIKS DOU
lost pilot
the 2070 super is like 500 475
icy sluice
$800 for just a 2080 no ti
stoic breach
Thats still alot
rich ember
but does it beat the 2080 Ti?
stoic breach
I would just get a old card for less than $300
lost pilot
lmao
icy sluice
My card is worth like $50
lost pilot
1080ti are still like 700 dollars tho
rich ember
Last time i looked into RTX the impression i got is if you're not running a 2080 Ti, RTX is worthless.
stoic breach
Yeah I should get a $50 card
lost pilot
not true, you can set the ammount of ray trace you want
icy sluice
lost pilot
bf5 is a terrible example of RTX cuz the game dont work in the first place LMO
icy sluice
RTX does work on BFV lol
lost pilot
LMAO^^^
rich ember
2080 Ti - Only GPU that's decent for RTX
2070 - Will work with RTX on Low
2060 - Don't even bother.
rich ember
i feel like that's a lie
icy sluice
Looking at people stream it with RTX and shit, it works but then they turn it off because of frame rate
rich ember
@icy sluice like, do you believe this?
icy sluice
They like how it looks but immediately turn it off because it doesn't feel good with the frame rate
lost pilot
i mean ive played bf5 for 300 hours and half of that was with a 1060 6gb
lost pilot
so when i switched to a 2060 im not lying, rtx looks great. yeah without ray trace on i can get 114 fps
stoic breach
I would rather 114fps than 80
rich ember
yeah that's a lot better
lost pilot
yeah but with this games awful stutter it doesnt matter how many frames we get
stoic breach
300fps in Devil Daggers 😩
icy sluice
I know I am on console so I am hard-locked to 60... but if I am on a PC, give me like 100 fps at least
rich ember
Devil Daggers 😩
stoic breach
What a great niche game
rich ember
yeah. i'm fucking trash at it tho
stoic breach
Same
odd bear
Do anybody know how the pacific map will look like?
stoic breach
My record is like 68 seconds, garbo
solid hinge
its not just reflections tho, actual performance is better too, makes the difference in close quaters combat, usually the guy with the better pc wins
lost pilot
reflections and better lighting plus shadows has actually helped me see players better and has really helped tbh
solid hinge
thats another reason i don't like fps pvp on PC
stoic breach
Battlefield V would be better with low contrast lighting and high contrast colours
Instead we got high contrast lighting and low contrast colours
Woo hoo
lost pilot
bf would be better if they actually fixed latency and stutter
stoic breach
Rip people who get enough desync to literally get shot through walls
echo glen
Damn it I didn't get the Fall Grun skin 
rich ember
realistically, higher FPS will make more difference than fancy reflections, most people who are decent at video games don't need them
lost pilot
ran into a house and stood there for 2 seconds and got killed thru the wall by a dude across the map. realized he had a 200 ping oh ok game
cant get a high fps with PC frame stutter on bf5
still an issue they wont fix for some reason
stoic breach
They wont fix it because they probably cant right now
lost pilot
too busy with skins you cant buy without real money
formal valve
stoic breach
DICE's frostbite software engineer left the company
solid hinge
Dice is too busy making the next battlefield and mermaid skins for bf5
last night was in FS, in a hut waiting for the final 8, guy pops up in the window, I got a 2 second burst into his chest, he calmy one shotted me and won
lost pilot
rip in peace
solid hinge
peekers advantage baby
Is that the guy who left yesterday?
The programmer
which only ever seems to apply when you're not the peeker
solid hinge
Oof
lost pilot
im not shocked tbh
echo glen
The crew's evacuating the sinking boat that is BFV
lost pilot
the two dev heads basically control this game
echo glen
Imagine if BFV gets discontinued 
lost pilot
its a shame because i think this game could be fixed with one giant update
formal valve
lost pilot
but nope
lost pilot
i love how u cant say Nazi in bf5 chat
solid hinge
Well duh
lost pilot
like who we fighting? the bad germans
solid hinge
This isnt a ww2 game
lost pilot
yeah but who the bad germans
stoic breach
you know how many german players would get killed by the government 
solid hinge
So they arent nazis
lost pilot
shh we cant say who they are thats bad
solid hinge
You dumb
formal valve
@solid hinge
solid hinge
formal valve
Is either the Red Team
solid hinge
Lets face it
lost pilot
nazis didnt exist only bad germans
formal valve
Or The Bad Guys From that War in the 40s
solid hinge
BF5 is just ww2 nerds larping with airsoft guns
lost pilot
LOOOOOOOOOL
solid hinge
I love how people care about using those words and outfits and want to "be historic" with germany but when it comes to japanese its never a problem .. nobody wants to be a historically accurate japanese
lost pilot
snakes in the grass
formal valve
We do
solid hinge
Yeah whos saying they dont want historical Japanese
formal valve
We just haven’t seen how their cosmetics are handled yet
So we don’t know if we need to complain about that yet
solid hinge
Operation Underground is working now 😌
Playing Rush, you start above the subway. At the beginning of the round, a V1 rocket explodes open the subway below the roads and the 1st set of MCOMs are around the rubble.
lost pilot
I have hope for the new expansion but in the back of my mind i know i may just end up shakeing my head furiously
solid hinge
Then you wake up
solid hinge
yeah I bet 99.9% of people that play BF V couldn't tell the difference between a KMT unit uniform or a Imperial army or navy uniform, without using google, if their lives depended on it, yet can chat for hours about the different German uniforms without reference
formal valve
I can tell the difference
stoic aspen
I've never played BFV and never will
solid hinge
Thats a completely different topic as well
Thats probably due to the common view of ww2 as us vs nazis and dday
lost pilot
only get bf5 if its like 20 dollars or whatever the EU equivalent is
formal valve
@solid hinge lets just focus on what’s actually in the game rn
tribal cairn
None could ever tell the difference between a IJA and IJN Battle flag either
solid hinge
Whole pacific is lesser known
rich ember
@solid hinge i don't know shit or fuck about german uniforms
stoic aspen
I will only play BF1
rich ember
or military uniforms in general really
stoic aspen
Yeah lol
lost pilot
i need to reinstall bf1
stoic aspen
You must
echo glen
German uniforms are stylish because they're made by Hugo Boss
rich ember
I don't think Hugo Boss has those skills
echo glen
Well, if they didn't design them, at least they were of well-made quality
tribal cairn
Very well made. I admire the uniforms themselves.
stoic aspen
Well they might as well go out in style or come home in style
rich ember
probably were quite expensive at the time
echo glen
Though considering how many uniforms were made, I'd say that expense was the least of NazGermany's problems(they received funding anyway so)
rich ember
pricks with too much money.
solid hinge
NEWS: #battlefield-legacy-titlesV Operation Underground gameplay footage will not be shown publicly until after Chapter 4, says Battlefield Community Manager @PartWelsh. Keep in mind that Chapter 4 ends on September 19.
solid hinge
tfw we're genuinely going to get those weapons in September
roadmap didnt even say August
delayed an entire month
@formal valve next weekly reward is also going to be a knife
Reward: Fairbairn Sykes Knife.
I thought that was today's reward
Ahh nvm
You’re right 😂
pulsar summit
but you're probably right on next week being a knife