I dont think people were expecting the maps to be this small
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
zenith pendant
Shitting on devs does make you look entitled
dense bone
paying money gets you nothing but a working product
solid hinge
I want a Normandy operation
icy sluice
Normandy is a long ways now
stiff sky
they not tiny they are weeeee little maps
solid hinge
Me too but its never coming
ivory acorn
Yeah and they won’t do it
dense bone
so if i pay 60 bucks i deserve a good game, but if i pay 30 i dont?
stiff sky
what about potatoes. vodka and 14.5 hmg
solid hinge
At this point better to just not expect or want anything
Might as well ride this derailed train as long as possible, wont cost us anything
lol
spiral trail
So many battles dice could do
rich ember
You could also get off the train.
solid hinge
I agree
spiral trail
They're just too lazy
stiff sky
i dont want bf 5 to die just cus others do. cus i am not a hipocrit
dense bone
im not enjoying bf right now, i stopped playing, i dont throw a fit saying im entitled to more
solid hinge
Im too comfortable on the train seat
ivory acorn
Entitled to more? What????
solid hinge
I like bfv just some bigger maps would be cool
ivory acorn
Dude I want the game to be better lol
gray saffron
god, i wish there was a way to disable squad spawning on my end. i keep making the mistake of spawning on an squadmate that's either just about to get mowed down or is in heavy explosive spam. which means +1 death for me 😦
dense bone
and?
solid hinge
Fact is the incompetence surrounding this reveal shows that we’ll be better off not asking, expecting or assuming anything beyond this point
stiff sky
bigger maps need things that we dont have right now so yeah
ivory acorn
I still care about the game, hence why I keep playing it.
spiral trail
nobody:
nyphon: 🤡
ivory acorn
But it’s clear the devs aren’t doing anything to fix the problems that have been plaguing it
solid hinge
Bf1 has decently sized maps
dense bone
you think spending money on a product determines the quality you deem the game?
rich ember
i still maintain that there are better games you could be playing
zenith pendant
How productive to the conversation at hand, clerk
spiral trail
but we paid $60
dense bone
devs have been doing alot
ivory acorn
If you’re spending 60 to 80 dollars, then you bet your ass I’m expecting a good game from it
What have the devs been doing?
dense bone
not how the world works
ivory acorn
Because we only got 3 maps, a ton of guns which is nice, and that’s about it
stiff sky
i agree they have been doing alot
solid hinge
One could make the argument that whats the point of civil discourse if civil discource got us into this position
spiral trail
@dense bone Devs haven't done shit for a few months now, only now are they starting to add shit because of all the criticism they're getting.
solid hinge
They clearly didnt listen to the community
dense bone
didnt they just add mercury like 1-2 months ago?
ivory acorn
We got no new vehicles, a lot of the major bugs are still in the game, explain to me what the devs have been working hard on?
dense bone
and then al sundan?
icy sluice
They did listen, there's just so many voices coming at them
solid hinge
No there arent
icy sluice
There's not this gigantic collective voice that everyone on Earth has
rich ember
No there aren't
ivory acorn
@steady nymph have you even played the game?
zenith pendant
Ohahahaha
solid hinge
They only listen to jackfrags smh😔
zenith pendant
Funny joke
rich ember
@solid hinge what fucking world are you living in where there's not a wide array of opinions on any given thing
solid hinge
There isnt that but there are things that are a collective priority
ivory acorn
Because a lot of the main issues still persist in the game
spiral trail
@steady nymph how old are you?
solid hinge
Like all the bugs?
spiral trail
you've never even played bf4 LMAO
solid hinge
Maps are still shit fron launch
zenith pendant
but bf4 good
icy sluice
We've been given big maps and people said they don't like it... they've given us medium maps and people like those, some of the community have been wanting more competitive play along all of this and they give it to them
midnight nimbus
mfw BF4 went from unplayable to playable and BFV went from playable to unplayable
icy sluice
then they get shit on for listening
ivory acorn
And what does that mean? The devs should make yet another unplayable game like Bf4?
zenith pendant
screw half a year of it being broken at launch
solid hinge
When did they give us big maps
zenith pendant
Bf4 good!
gray glade
vehicle balance have changed slightly though, the heavy tanks were too nerfed at launch
solid hinge
Big maps can get boring
icy sluice
Panzerstorm, Hamada... people hate those maps
solid hinge
Don’t see anyone for ages
dense bone
cant wait for this new wave of cry babies to stop coming here like the rest of the whiners have
gray glade
hey i like panzerstorm
zenith pendant
@steady nymph you don't say
solid hinge
Those are base game maps
spiral trail
@icy sluice we've been begging for some of the more noticed battles and dice has been giving us this greece shit, where NO greece soldiers are fighting.
icy sluice
SEE, KHORNEY SAYING THAT PROVES MY POINT
gray glade
😄
solid hinge
Your point being?
zenith pendant
Really , just play the game and don't look at forums
gray saffron
greece was quite an important battle though
icy sluice
They're listening, there's just a lot of voices to listen to
dense bone
that would be like every other ww2 game
solid hinge
As I already said there is a collective priority
gray saffron
first big paratrooper usage from germany. first time the brits used enigma code extensively
gray glade
i think its important that ppl dont listen to youtubers saying someting is bad or needs a change just because they are a youtuber
solid hinge
Dice would be stupid if they listened to every single person on planet earth
icy sluice
My feet are tired going up the same flight of stairs @steady nymph
zenith pendant
Gib normandy
gray saffron
first time the axis forces encountered full resistance from civilians.
gray glade
plenty of youtubers had really terrible ideas in the past
solid hinge
Thats not how companies work
ivory acorn
It’s not about well known battles. It’s about making good maps
spiral trail
@steady nymph yes they do, what the fuck are you on about? There's not alot of ww2 games with the eastern front in them that have good graphics/made 2016+
ivory acorn
Omaha, Norway, Italy, doesn’t matter where, the maps shouldn’t be shit
solid hinge
This situation is just such a mess
I thought they focused on less known battles
If true that’s a cool thing
Dice has dug themselves a deep hole and frankly dont think theres any other way out but the next bf game
icy sluice
Ironically, the playerbase is still really healthy
gray glade
several of the maps are lesser known battles, at least when it comes to known in previous games
zenith pendant
@icy sluice no bfv ded
solid hinge
It was for a while on xbox
icy sluice
solid hinge
Its going down now though
zenith pendant
Didn't you read the forums
icy sluice
Still healthy, I should know, I am on Xbox
zenith pendant
gray glade
dont read reddit too much you'll get depressed
spiral trail
@steady nymph what you said just made no sense, theres no reason why they can't add the eastern front. "Because this is about battlefield" is not a valid response
ivory acorn
@icy sluice good for you. No one is saying the game is dying.
solid hinge
Think it dropped two or three titles down from the list in the last two months
zenith pendant
@ivory acorn but people are
icy sluice
🔜
zenith pendant
Look at people jerking off to cod on reddit for bfv
dense bone
despite how toxic and forums are, its really a small vocal minority that are salty against dice
the most upvoted hate comments on youtube and reddit are all probably under 1k
ivory acorn
All I’m saying is that Dice should actually give a shit about the game instead of laying back and shrugging all the problems off
dense bone
1k is not a lot of people vs the hundreds of thousands that are just playing
solid hinge
Thats usually the case tbf
orchid shore
ivory acorn
The apex devs suck
rich ember
i don't
dense bone
then the vocal few think they are hot shit because their "lul dice sucks" comment got 100 upvotes
spiral trail
what victor Charlie is saying makes no sense lmfao
solid hinge
But it doesnt matter what reddit or youtube says when the average joe gets bored of the twentythousandth round of devastation
if the playerbase is healthy why did they kill frontlines and domination
rich ember
you don't directly insult your playerbase and then get sympathy when they're upset about it, i'm sorry, that's not how that works.
zenith pendant
@dense bone lol that is too True
spiral trail
you're **
dense bone
problem is is that they didnt insult playerbase, just a specific toxic few
gray glade
serious question: how much do you think battlefield devs play their own game? I'm not fishing for "absolutely nothing*" comments
dense bone
but gamers love blowing shit up
rich ember
@gray glade just enough to do playtesting.
spiral trail
@zenith pendant explain how
gray saffron
i've seen quite a few devs playing in bfv
zenith pendant
You are literally a troll
gray saffron
i only know this, cause i knived them and saw their tags xD
dense bone
classic response
rich ember
@dense bone yeah, except those people were protesting the MTX event that was going on in Apex at the time, and frankly, the response was unprofessional and unnecessary.
spiral trail
I'm not a troll
solid hinge
Well yeah whats the point when youll say im blowing it out of proportion myself after I do
icy sluice
Breda Skins look nice
ivory acorn
Nyphon is wrong on a lot of things, but there’s no point in arguing with him.
zenith pendant
Protesting
icy sluice
zenith pendant
You mean
gray saffron
they look painful ;D
zenith pendant
Fling shit at devs
dense bone
unprofessional but not wrong
zenith pendant
Over reddit
orchid shore
😩
dense bone
people are crying about mtx in a f2p game
ivory acorn
Definitely both
gray saffron
barbwire against your arm D:
dense bone
mtx cosmetics!
solid hinge
Oh nice
zenith pendant
And then get uberrabies when devs start flinging back
solid hinge
EXPENSIVE
SKINS
spiral trail
@zenith pendant stop trolling
ivory acorn
Something tells me Nyphon is just new to gaming
zenith pendant
No you stop
dense bone
is ober and clerk the same person?
spiral trail
no tf
solid hinge
Is EA and Nyphon the same person?
zenith pendant
No but they like insulting people
ivory acorn
No there 2 different people
gray glade
i think its two personalities in the same head
spiral trail
You rlly think I can switch accounts that fast
dense bone
ive never seen anyone use the clown emoji, now we got 2
spiral trail
🤡
icy sluice
One account on mobile and one on PC
solid hinge
I don't think they should should have terribly expensive mtx in a f2p game kids play, I also dont think gamers on reddit should be giant pooheads
orchid shore
zenith pendant
Again
spiral trail
funny because he uses xbox and I use playstation
gray glade
careful, clown stuff is actually sensored in BFV, who knows if it is a crime on discord as well
zenith pendant
Reddit folk have uberrabies
icy sluice
What's the rating on Apex again?
gray glade
i once said "honkler" in BFV and i was censored
lofty wolf
🤡
zenith pendant
When it comes to "feedback"
orchid shore
that guy called me the a word 
dense bone
probably because that close to honkie
solid hinge
This server is politically pretty center afaik
zenith pendant
And "protesting"
icy sluice
Seig Heil
zenith pendant
Whoa
icy sluice
What?
rich ember
CAPITALISM: There is a paywall around these basic necessities of life
GAMERS: This is fine
CAPITALISM: There is a paywall around this content
GAMERS: Fuck yoU!!! FuckK!! fuckFUCK ass fuck off! Fuck Y!OU! Ff
spiral trail
anyone wanna play somme bf1 ps4
icy sluice
That's just a cheer lol
solid hinge
icy sluice
Seig Heil just means To Victory
solid hinge
No shit
orchid shore
prepare to pay up to shoot your gun
icy sluice
So what's so bad about saying it?
zenith pendant
Gaymers rise up
zenith pendant
@solid hinge too true, dude
icy sluice
That's a Discord thing, not really a server thing
spiral trail
I'm a gamer not a gaymer
dense bone
respawn: here is a f2p game
gamers: this is awesome
respawn: here is completely optional cosmetic dlc for said free game, but its expensice
gamers: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MOM WONT BUY THIS FOR ME
respawn: what a joke
solid hinge
Yeah a long time ago
Im uraaaaaaing and thr soviets arent even in the game yet
Think it was due to the discord partnership
icy sluice
Yeah, it doesn't really have anything to do with this server in particular, but it's because it's Verified
Yeah
solid hinge
Still funny nonetheless
icy sluice
Can't really do anything about it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid hinge
@dense bone Im sorry you feel that way about people wanting more fair systems in videogames
lofty wolf
U
U
dense bone
its cosmetics...
icy sluice
I'm surprised I am not the one being called a furry for once
ivory acorn
@solid hinge no point in arguing with him.
dense bone
who the fuck cares
ivory acorn
He’s new to gaming 
icy sluice
Jim FUCKING Sterling that's who
solid hinge
@icy sluice furry lol
zenith pendant
Gaymers care
solid hinge
Its too much fun though because his mental capacity is about the same as a peanut
zenith pendant
And they will send death threats
spiral trail
gaymers
dense bone
says the person that cares about cosmetics
spiral trail
gamers play bf
icy sluice
They will send SWAT over to your house
spiral trail
lmao
dense bone
@solid hinge are you excited for level cap increase?
zenith pendant
For announcing lofoten
solid hinge
I want rsp
zenith pendant
And Provence
ivory acorn
Well yeah. Customization has always been a thing in games. Not every single one, but a good amount of games had skins
rich ember
MTX are MTX, it's all a vehicle to get more money out of consumers.
solid hinge
And some good maps
icy sluice
This isn't even them announcing the maps
solid hinge
Thats all i care about for now
Yeah clearly cosmetics are a thing nobody cares about thats why every game has shit loads of them these days and companies make hundreds of millions of cosmetics sales alone 
big brain nyphon
More factions too
orchid shore
but we shouldn't need to pay up again after we paid the game
icy sluice
maps were announced shortly before Chapter 3 had ended
spiral trail
I can't wait to play 5v5 lofoten island
dense bone
that has nothing to do with anything i said...
i think people are stupid for buying cosmetics and caring for cosmetics
zenith pendant
Nyphon take care
solid hinge
Then you clearly dont know what youre on about
rich ember
@orchid shore BuT iT's JuSt GoOd BuSiNeSs
zenith pendant
And don't go insane
solid hinge
Because it has everything to do with what you said
orchid shore
yEs
solid hinge
So it won’t be locked at 50?
dense bone
im calling out the cry babies that get angry for expensive optional shit
its optional
move the fuck on
solid hinge
More like
dense bone
its even a first person game
solid hinge
Youre riding your non existant high horse into the sunset
dense bone
you can see your arms!
zenith pendant
Okay chill dudes
ivory acorn
Just because it’s optional doesn’t mean devs should be charging that much money for items
zenith pendant
Chill it back a pint
icy sluice
CSGO Gloves being $200
dense bone
its a f2p game
spiral trail
ArEA 51:you must buy the 29.99 BFV booster pack in order to raid
ivory acorn
Doesn’t matter
dense bone
they SHOULD be charging to play
rich ember
@icy sluice that's different, cause that's community determined pricing.
hazy wasp
this bombastic fantastic mode is actually the best Battlefield V has been since ever
rich ember
Valve doesn't charge $200 for gloves.
solid hinge
@dense bone why do you buy clothes in real life because you cant even see them when theyre on you.
hazy wasp
its like they actually have a real battlefield game
rich ember
That's the community deciding it's worth that much.
orchid shore
i don't give BFV the F2P MTX excuse because the game costs $60
orchid shore
fortnite done it right because you can earn vbucks on stw
solid hinge
Why do people buy expensive cars they cant even see when theyre driving them
dense bone
because without clothes i will get arrested, unlike cosmetics in a game you dork
icy sluice
What about Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled?
rich ember
@zenith pendant like i said. It's different with CS:GO, because that's community determined pricing.
solid hinge
I love you
dense bone
buying expensive cars is stupid and more of a social status thing than anything of a logical conclusion
zenith pendant
@spiral trail it's too fun with you guys
icy sluice
What about Modern Warfare Remastered?
dense bone
got any other brain busters?
zenith pendant
I really should be sleeping
solid hinge
The root to everything
spiral trail
@zenith pendant fr tho no hate are you a furry?
zenith pendant
Not really
solid hinge
oh my god, he's back at it
spiral trail
o
ivory acorn
This is why I love nintendo
You spend 60 bucks on a game that plays good and is tons of fun
dense bone
exactly, theres no logical reason to buy it, so the people complaining about it are illogical
solid hinge
Specifically war diormas
Some people, like you and me nyphon, couldnt care less about them. But the majority do
zenith pendant
Hans nihmm die FurryTotter
solid hinge
How come?
rich ember
@icy sluice why do you think people don't like MTX's? Shit like that's the endgame. All they do is try to convince you that selling weapons is a fair thing to do. They plant it in your head with the idea that they're optional and cosmetic, so you'll just be used to it by the time they start doing shit like putting weapons in supply drops.
solid hinge
You decide who is stupid and who isnt?
dense bone
no, these are just statistics
solid hinge
Who gave you that power over others
rich ember
If they had their way that would be how it is in all games.
zenith pendant
God
icy sluice
@rich ember that's my stance on it
zenith pendant
An office worker
solid hinge
At what office
dense bone
do you not have google?
spiral trail
What is a clock
rich ember
In retrospect maybe i should've said all of that at Nyphon instead of you
solid hinge
Whats a co
solid hinge
Yup seems about right
rich ember
@solid hinge
dense bone
with 7b people in the world, not even close to half of them being in a first world country, just based off that alone statistically speaking its really fucking easy to make an assumption that a majority of people are stupid
solid hinge
Whats going on
rich ember
JESUS
solid hinge
So its an assumption then
solid hinge
Seems to be a running theme with you nyphon
You pass your opinions and assumptions as fact
dense bone
what else have i assumed?
zenith pendant
Just don't insult each other too often
dense bone
vs what have you assumed?
rich ember
@dense bone hey if you can scroll up a bit and read what i said to raptor that'd be appreciated
solid hinge
I dont really assume much when it comes to this topic
rich ember
thanks
solid hinge
What the fuck
zenith pendant
dense bone
its not political, its the truth
solid hinge
Hello, new to this Discord
Hi to my fellow developers and players
spiral trail
midnight nimbus
> believing that IQ is a reasonable measurement
rich ember
now i feel like i'm getting ignored
solid hinge
no one mentioned IQ
rich ember
of course, you wouldn't like what i said anyway.
can tell you're not a man of acknowledging other people's statements.
dense bone
im pretty sure anything you said will be responded with "they are either stupid or self entitled"
solid hinge
@solid hinge bad time dude
It may be statistically true ( I dont know ) that the majority of the world populus is “dumber” due to poor access to education etc. But we really werent talking about the whole world in this context either way, this is only about people who spend money on cosmetic mtx purchases
lol
I see
dense bone
if you really want to talk about it, just dm me whatever your point is war
solid hinge
don´t worry, I´m not new to this atmosphere
gray saffron
feel free to ask any questions or stuff though, @solid hinge there are always people willing to help out or something ;D
solid hinge
old Bf player here, new to this Discord tho
dense bone
if you are willing to literally waste money on digital nonsense that serves no purpose other than to look cool, im gonna assume you are dumb or loaded
zenith pendant
Sometimes things just get really heated with bfv stuff, yknow
solid hinge
Just not now
dense bone
which isnt even an assumption at that point
zenith pendant
And then people contract uberrabies
solid hinge
From bugs to discussing how third world countries have low iq
😂😂😂
Its a grey area @dense bone and a large part of the issue is that companies are putting more effort into manipulative marketing schemes etc to lure people into spending that money
gray saffron
which was your first BF? @solid hinge
solid hinge
Bad Company 2
spiral trail
I want to play as Winston churchill
dense bone
well when they made a game free they have to make money somehow...
solid hinge
And frankly I think youre way too ignorant on the topic for us to take this convo any further
gray saffron
ah, nice entry point :3
dense bone
you want them to make a f2p game just out of the goodness of their heart?
solid hinge
We can have this convo again when you know literally anything about how mtx works
also, always on PC
Oh its midnight
spiral trail
@dense bone hush
ivory acorn
I mean Nintendo mostly makes games out of the goodness of their hearts lol
dense bone
even if they charged game dev cost is way higher than it has ever been, and yet we still spend the same 60 bucks we have been for YEARS, and thats disregarding inflation
solid hinge
Thats actually not true in the slightest
dense bone
inflation doesnt exist?
solid hinge
Not that
dense bone
game dev costs is the same from 8bit days to now?
dense bone
EA could be the outlier because they rehash fifa year in year out
midnight nimbus
yeah because the bulk of their products are EA sports
which require zero design
minimal development cost
huge revenue
dense bone
trying to use one example as a sample for all of devs is obviously flawed logic
icy sluice
hehe
rich ember
nice
solid hinge
Fifas main income is the rng packs
rich ember
also if you could stop ignoring my statement that'd be nice
solid hinge
Last year was about 1.2B from those alone
icy sluice
no
solid hinge
in fact, this debate is not that bad, game developer myself😄
icy sluice
We are not disrupting the chat for that
midnight nimbus
yeah AAA development costs are way higher nowadays for pretty much everything that isn't EA sports
spiral trail
@icy sluice the chat is already fucked lmao
midnight nimbus
most AAA games cost >$100mm to make
solid hinge
his name is a quote
dense bone
lol you cant just say "not true" and "wrong" and move on
solid hinge
dummy
midnight nimbus
add another $100mm+ for marketing
dense bone
im not even talking EA
spiral trail
@dense bone wrong, not true
midnight nimbus
meanwhile games are literally cheaper to buy
dense bone
youd have to be an idiot to think that zelda ocarina of time cost the same to make as the witcher 3
dense bone
they are the same price
solid hinge
Nor are they the same $60
dense bone
no one said cheaper
ivory acorn
Who’s even saying that? Lol
dense bone
actually i think n64 games for me were 70 bucks
solid hinge
You have about 4 different editions of games upwards to 120-150 these days
solid hinge
Still more money
dense bone
doesnt mean you have to buy them
solid hinge
Revenue avenues have increased
dense bone
just like cosmetics
solid hinge
They are optional to an extent
solid hinge
Theres shit loads of talk about these subjects
Anyone interested in some real cool shit should look em up
Absolute genious marketing even though pretty unethical at times
midnight nimbus
https://kotaku.com/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-big-video-game-1501413649
TL;DR: new games are a lot more expensive to make than older ones
while being cheaper
dense bone
now he is saying "wrong" to sources
solid hinge
Thats liking citing CNN for something Trump did
dense bone
but his text is the golden truth
midnight nimbus
literally quoting someone who works at Sony
dense bone
^
dense bone
you sure act like it
solid hinge
I can say that even not AAA games also cost a lot of money to develop, even if the term AAA is rather tentative
I mean ive spent upwards of 5 years following and researching this stuff
So im relatively invested in whats going on
dense bone
#doubt
solid hinge
Dont have to take my word for it
dense bone
why would i take the word of a dude that ignores inflation and obvious increase in dev cost?
icy sluice
dense bone
you didnt acknowledge them till i specifically called you out on it, and then you jumped to EA as your counter
midnight nimbus
while people expect vastly more complex games for $60
ivory acorn
@dense bone a lot of what you’ve been saying is bullshit. I ain’t gonna correct you or argue back because there’s no point in doing so.
rich ember
to be fair, all the examples you've mentioned are pretty extreme, like, "ocarina of time cost the same amount to make as the witcher 3". like, no. nobody believes that, dude. nobody claimed that was ever the case.
solid hinge
WHALE
dense bone
i didnt say oot costs the same to make the witcher 3...
solid hinge
it cost toby fox 5 million dollars a month to make undertale
dense bone
i said you have to be an idiot to think they cost the same
solid hinge
lol
Anyway fellas I really need to hop off I have to wake up in 6 hours. Anyone interested you can google/youtube any of the topics and theres plenty info out there
reminder that no one is forcing devs to make multi billion dollar "hollywood like" games
dense bone
which is what ober is trying to pass off
hazy wasp
thats good going for a video game
icy sluice
Undertale is $10 as a reminder
solid hinge
and it's worth more than bfv
icy sluice
I do suggest watching the video I did post, it relates to the topic
solid hinge
😔
tiny loom
The BFV reddit is slaying the devs currently. Tons of funny stuff going on over there.
dense bone
@solid hinge like no one is forcing consumers to buy/play their games and to buy their mtx, especially when they are optional cosmetic nonsense
hazy wasp
in bfvs current state uyep
solid hinge
Before I go I want to adress the EA thing you said nyphon, you cant trust EA on anything. EA says this and does the other.
midnight nimbus
> audience wants super complex 64p multiplayer game with 60Hz servers and near industry leading graphics
> "no one asked for a super expensive game bro"
solid hinge
Reality is disappointing
dense bone
yet you are in an EA game discord
dense bone
im not directing it as an example of you ant
autumn nest
icy sluice
Activision also says the same thing, the two monoliths of gaming both lie
dense bone
people lie
hazy wasp
its really dumb that the pistols have such a damage drop off, i rant about this all the time but if i can still keep aim ant hit headshots at 10M + i should do a shitton of damage
dense bone
weird
solid hinge
When will a modern setting BF game come? I will gladly pay 150 usd for it.😄
This is a company saying that they should be let to self regulate rng packs yet they rake in billions yearly by manipulation
autumn nest
EA is the worst out of the 2
icy sluice
Activision said they wouldn't put MTX in MWR and Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled
BUT GUESS WHAT
dense bone
they rake in billions a year because people let them
solid hinge
I'm with you actually. "EA FORCED ME TO BUY DLC HELP"
dense bone
they buy stupid things
midnight nimbus
you have a 500+ person studio taking 2 years to make a game
rich ember
oh yeah blame the consumer
midnight nimbus
paying their salaries alone is tens of millions
solid hinge
Regulation is way on its way
midnight nimbus
if not at least $100mm
solid hinge
have they tried not taking so long to make them
rich ember
as if these companies don't have a vested interest in making it appealing to buy these things
dense bone
duh
solid hinge
Its been hard to regulate this because EA and Activision are lobbying ESA
dense bone
its like people are surpised a company is out to make money and not just break even
solid hinge
So you cant blame the consumer
solid hinge
You buy them because you dont care about them though
dense bone
how did i not get taken advantage of?
solid hinge
Not because you know whats going on
Youre just as uninformed as the person buying them
So you have no high horse
dense bone
its because im not even smart, but not dumb enough to buy trivial shit
spiral trail
y'all still arguing lmfao
solid hinge
Not anymore, im going now
dense bone
you said that already
midnight nimbus
honestly the consumer is wrong
dense bone
^
rich ember
it's this kind of thinking that is beneficial to the companies doing this, frankly. This idea that "people who aren't stupid" wouldn't buy these things. They likely don't know.
midnight nimbus
expecting vastly more complex products for less money
midnight nimbus
not just vastly more complex, but considerably more content too
dense bone
of course we all want less for more, doesnt mean you earned it
dense bone
not complex systems, but creating games how they are now is complex
midnight nimbus
tell that to the crowd that expects MORE DESTRUCTION and MORE GRAPHICS every year
cold trail
I mean, I like hair physics.
rich ember
fuck hair physics.
cold trail
It's not a demand though.
dense bone
when something takes years to make with hundreds of people making them, its complex
autumn nest
More effort put into detail than actual gameplay lol
solid hinge
I don't think the crowds expect that
cold trail
Gameplay seems fine to me.
solid hinge
they just kinda want a good game
cold trail
Just content seems a bit lacking at times, but it's a process.
dense bone
a good game costs money
solid hinge
it's the companies hyping the whole LIKE NEVER BEFORE shit
icy sluice
A good hooker costs money
dense bone
LOL
autumn nest
It's true
dense bone
wtf raptor
cold trail
A lot of you are too young to know / remember anything before say BF1, so this isn't the first time this has played out like this.
rich ember
:|
midnight nimbus
yeah BFV's story isn't unique to BFV
dense bone
btw, dude said that games didnt cost the same before, i cant find a single source showing n64 games cheaper than 70 bucks
autumn nest
Indeed
ivory acorn
The LS/20 or something is the best lmg in the game.
midnight nimbus
well, not axed (yet)
cold trail
Yeah, that's what happened with the Maxis crowd and SimCity, same situation.
First five months were an absolute shitshow.
ivory acorn
That and the Bren are lasers
rich ember
i'm sure the always online DRM had no part in this.
cold trail
Half of us couldn't even boot the game.
midnight nimbus
AAA gaming is all about sticking the landing
most of your sales are done at launch
autumn nest
Didn't Sims 4 get an update or something recently?
midnight nimbus
unless you go with based MMO model
cold trail
Sims xxx was a calamity for example to show the problem isn't unique to just this title, but we should keep it on topic of battlefield here.
RSP when?
solid hinge
good game when
autumn nest
Never
cold trail
A lot of folks are ready for RSP.
rich ember
oh yeah, i'm sure.
autumn nest
Modern BF title when
autumn nest
I wouldn't be surprised
cold trail
I mean, just switch servers? lol
autumn nest
True
cold trail
Some of the best BF4 battles I had were on servers that werent highly populated.
ivory acorn
Why are planes on Fjell?
midnight nimbus
to punish people for playing BFV
solid hinge
rule of cool
ivory acorn
But dude
AA already sucks. So why make a map where we have no tanks, but have a million planes?
tribal cairn
Sleep paralysis sucks.
rich ember
???????
autumn nest
I mean at least the Pacific will probably have boats so that'll be something
cold trail
@tribal cairn That's not appropriate for this server, please refrain from such comments.
sacred skiff
@rich ember war is NOT political
rich ember
fuck boats
autumn nest
Lol
rich ember
@sacred skiff i know dude you don't have to keep telling me
solid hinge
thank you for your service
midnight nimbus
if boats ever come to BFV, I'd bet money that they won't be any fun
actually unless they go the BF1 route
L-CLASS DESTROYER
autumn nest
Hopefully, but probably not @midnight nimbus
midnight nimbus
epic triple digit K/D using only one hand
midnight nimbus
BF4 attack boat was fun
rich ember
fuck boats
midnight nimbus
L-Class destroyer is infinitely more cheesy and brain dead, and equally fun
solid hinge
there is no need for "island hopping"
sacred skiff
@solid hinge @autumn nest @rich ember boats are fun why are you against them
solid hinge
I'm not
rich ember
i hate boats
autumn nest
Lol I never said that
rich ember
I'M A FUCKING MEDIC MAIN
midnight nimbus
so they get BF4 attack boat flashbacks
solid hinge
Iwo Jima is just a big round rock.
midnight nimbus
no one forced you to be a medic main 😃
solid hinge
Why would they even need boats
rich ember
no but i wanna be a medic main and unfortunately good engineer mains are not easy to find
and i'm not taking double the effort because my team can't do shit
solid hinge
also, the japanese had no boats during the battle of iwo jima
they we're completely cut off
ivory acorn
The way I see it is you can’t call yourself a medic or support main if you don’t actually do the role
autumn nest
There's gonna be other maps besides Iwo Jima
solid hinge
yeah, but I can't think of a single one of these places that are small enough for boat warfare
ivory acorn
3 maps are gonna be Iwo Jima, Peleliu, and Okinawa.
rich ember
@ivory acorn i do the role as well as i can
autumn nest
Never heard of that second one before
dark dawn
I’ve heard of peleliu
ivory acorn
Good @rich ember
icy sluice
water
solid hinge
@solid hinge sorry 😅
ivory acorn
Source for what?
ivory acorn
Oh no im just making a guess lol
solid hinge
Hmmm
ivory acorn
I have a feeling those are gonna be the 3 maps.
rich ember
what're you looking at me like that for
ivory acorn
A lot of people want wake island, but I doubt Dice will do that.
rich ember
@steady nymph i would assume our boys would be smart enough to boil it first
solid hinge
ha, look at this dude thinking he will get actual cool historical maps
ivory acorn
Our boys got blown up by 1 enemy bomber
icy sluice
Battle of Water
rich ember
Battle of Ant's Parent's Back Yard
solid hinge
rad
ivory acorn
You see you guys thought we were getting the big Iwo Jima battle, but didn’t know Iwo Jima is the code name for the Battle of Hamburg? Uneducated fools.
ivory acorn
Aachen is the first thing that came into my head when I played Devestation
solid hinge
Beautiful
isn't that the bridge that didn't blow up due to the explosive not working?
ivory acorn
If we get a Normandy GO, it should be Omaha and then Operation Cobra right afterwards
Or maybe Pointe Du Hoc
steel agate
It should be the US Airborne drop during pre-dawn for Day 1
They were all scattered about
Some of them drowned because Germans flooded the area
solid hinge
maybe this game could be slightly interesting if they added the eastern front
steel agate
Also, French Resistance fighters sabotaging enemy communications behind Normandy
ivory acorn
The Omaha map can be the size of Hamada, and they can split the group up so that 16 players parachute behind the beaches, and the other 16 land on the beach.
solid hinge
god i hate the western front
I'm so sick of windmills and grass
I love the western front when the americans arrived
steel agate
But the paradrop happened before the actual invasion
solid hinge
windmills and grass but with the garand
steel agate
I like the Western front
ivory acorn
@steel agate I’m just trying to think of a creative way to do D-day
solid hinge
@ivory acorn The other 16 can join in with boats
rich ember
@solid hinge i hate sand.
steel agate
Yeah I haven't been a fan of the sandy maps, although I don't mind Aerodrome at all
Hamada is just so wide and desolate for my taste
warm atlas
I’m one of the few who enjoys Hamada it seems
ivory acorn
Day 1 is airborne, day 2 is beachhead, day 3 is Operation Cobra
solid hinge
the real war happened in the east while the US mopped up some random conscript brigades
steel agate
@ivory acorn Where / What is Day 4 Final Stand?
solid hinge
On the operarion cobra map lol
ivory acorn
Day 4 will still be Cobra
solid hinge
Where else
steel agate
It could be anywhere else
If they release a bunch of maps
I also want the Battle of Berlin GO
Day 3 is at the Reichstag
icy sluice
And here's what the Germans look like
steel agate
Day 4 is inside the Reichstag and just outside of it
solid hinge
Reminder that the USSR lost twice as many soldiers as the US did in the entire war in one battle.
The USSR just stormed in
but muh red white and blue
Crazy bastards had balls of steel
ivory acorn
Battle of Berlin can be Berlin for days 1 and 2, and then the whole Reichstag as day 3
steel agate
and Day 4 Final Stand enclosing wall is a wall of bullets with Stalin's Order No. 227
😄
steel agate
Russian side retreating is they get killed by friendly MG (Order no. 227), German side retreating is... the furthest wall of the Reichstag so retreat is impossible.
That's the enclosing wall inside of that force field that closes in with typical Final Stand maps.
ivory acorn
Battle of the bulge would be epic
icy sluice
Have y'all seen Winterkrieg?
rich ember
@steady nymph that seems great in theory.
that's not how it would happen in actuality though, isn't it.
solid hinge
They stormed in like a bunch of crazy bastards and most of them had balls of steel
steel agate
All of these popular WWII Battles makes me wonder why DICE didn't mix it up a bit instead of going all out obscure battles of WWII
It should have been half and half
solid hinge
because they're going full hipster
rich ember
@steel agate they're doing that but everyone hates it
seems too Apocalypse Now for Battlefield
steel agate
Like some of the obscure battles are actually pretty neat, e.g. Battle of Castle Itter, the whole Heavy Water sabotage operation; but what we have right now are so obscure that for the average BFV player, it's not a recognizable WWII game
rich ember
oh yeah make the wehraboos happy that'll be great
steel agate
Yeah they should only give us the really cool and neat obscure battles
The rest should be popular WWII maps
rich ember
it was at this moment that victor knew, he fucked up
solid hinge
and go "hm, this is cool"
zenith wharf
Anybody discord communities recruiting?
rich ember
no
steel agate
10+ years from now if BF releases another WWII game, then I'd want the popular maps again
New engine, new graphics, etc.
I just don't get who's making all of these decisions at DICE
And why
Maybe it is.... 😉
and thanks
rich ember
@steel agate it's mostly corporate nonsense
solid hinge
the battle of the windmill somewhere in belgium?
rich ember
they're on a different reality than the rest of us
solid hinge
nice
rich ember
they see what we're saying, but then they look at stocks and be like "hmmm, how about no."
steel agate
There's a nice obscure map that Jeremy Clarkson tells
The Greatest Raid of All Time
rich ember
if i wanted to play a Vietnam game i'd just play Rising Storm 2.
solid hinge
where a single KV2 stopped the entire Army group North for a whole day
but no
here's your windmills
rich ember
it's not on xbox and it doesn't have bots, but it does have an active playerbase.
slate girder
rising storm does have bots or? when there arent enough on the server
rich ember
@slate girder no
slate girder
okay but red orchestra had it
steel agate
I want a charge a ship rigged to blow into a German u-boat naval yard... which reminds me, are we getting u-boats/submarines for BFV?
We were supposed to get subs for BF1, but they scratched that idea
rich ember
i don't believe RS2 has them because having badly made bots is worse than not having any bots at all
ivory acorn
I don’t understand why people get shot by snipers, and instead of moving away, they stand there and let the sniper kill them
hazy wasp
remember when squadmates used to play engineer and stick with you when you were ina tank and repair you when you were ina tank battle
good times
slate girder
@rich ember they have bots for sure
icy sluice
The bots are horrible tho
steel agate
@steady nymph Yes, that's what the BFEE Discord members do
rich ember
oh it has bots? most of the footage i've seen doesn't show 'em at all.
icy sluice
Because they're that bad lol
rich ember
like i said
steel agate
I sent you an invite Victor
rich ember
having badly made bots is worse than not having bots at all
steel agate
Check out the server, we found a bunch of Easter Eggs
Still a bunch of unsolved EEs though
solid hinge
RS vietnam is all good and fun until the commander with a heavy Indian accent starts yelling
rich ember
if i wanted to hear an indian guy yelling i'd just watch a Kitboga video tbh
ivory acorn
Man
I love running into a house and then dying because I was in the clear, but Dice said no
rich ember
@ivory acorn what if you wanted to live but DICE said No.
solid hinge
understandable
rich ember
why would you wanna drive an aircraft carrier
icy sluice
God, that'd be horrible
rich ember
there aren't large enough seas for that, also nobody cares about fucking aircraft carriers
icy sluice
Back in 1942, we had destroyers just on Iwo Jima
ON it
This was a common thing
Do you want this?
solid hinge
actually yes
rich ember
Community: Hitreg fix, DICE?
DICE: No.
mate
you're trying to paint the playerbase as unreasonable but you're neglecting to mention that there are actual issues that they've failed to fix thus far.
is that not what you're trying to do?
i think that's what you're trying to do.
hey @solid hinge do you think that's what they're trying to do
rich ember
amazing
rich ember
hey @icy sluice
solid hinge
heh, you entitled gamers and your "good games".
rich ember
you know what's a good game
solid hinge
who want's a good game anyway
rich ember
DUSK. Dusk is a good game.
ivory acorn
I’ve played about 12 GO today, and only got 3 or 4 decent matches
rich ember
DICE: -Doesn't release it that month and shuts up about it-
solid hinge
yeah, it's the people playing their trash fire who are in the wrong
muh poor devs dindu nuffin
solid hinge
that was not the topic
rich ember
what was the topic
solid hinge
we we're talking about boats for a few seconds
that was the closest thing to a topic
echo glen
cruisers?
rich ember
FUCK BOATS
echo glen
DREADNOUGHTS
rich ember
FUCK THOSE AS WELL
echo glen
BOATS ARE COOL
rich ember
@echo glen HELICOPTERS ARE COOLER THAN FUCKING BOATS
echo glen
Helis are cool
rich ember
they're cooler than boats.
icy sluice
WHY CAN'T WE RIDE BICYCLES!?
rich ember
@icy sluice why don't you ride a bicycle in real life
ivory acorn
I don’t know how people can use MMGs. I tried the weapons, and I have no patience to camp with them
icy sluice
I'm a raptor
icy sluice
no
solid hinge
well you got your maps
for a game mode that no one asked for
Enjoy your FREE™ DLC!
rich ember
i mean, if you want easter eggs in CoD, Zombies is right up your alley.
grim locust
^ agreed
vestal locust
Mmgs are great if you change positions after making mince of any opposition, keep them guessing
solid hinge
@solid hinge vro......
vestal locust
I try... but I’m not the best. Prefer to mow down people with my mg fire from strafing in a plane
solid hinge
vestal locust
Yet the best thing is watching the recent WTH moments of dice in the recent “new things to come” yes... I’m very disappointed and it seems “gamechangers” are as well lol
Want to add that to the “soon” pile there Victor? Or perhaps another scrapped idea
solid hinge
Uh oh
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compact oxide
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vestal locust
strange dome
rich ember
@solid hinge some rando thinking they’re funny
compact oxide
It's all over now, thanks for the warning
strange dome
So the furnace still burning hot with bfv angry over recent stuff? At least we get a melee with some good history behind it right guys? 😦
rich ember
🔫
strange dome
noo dont do it war!
dense bone
Do it
rich ember
@dense bone 🔫
vestal locust
Only get wet with that puny squirt gun.. lol
vestal locust
Oh yeah... another knife... and small maps for small modes... joy.
rich ember
pew
strange dome
We got a hostage situation in bfv discussion someone phone the discord police!
NOOOOOOOOO
rich ember
pewpewpew
dense bone
I'm not good
strange dome
Am sorry but Nyphon you be pew 4 times now. shhhh.
dense bone
Probably
rich ember
Join the club mate I ain’t good either.
strange dome
me too am on antidepressants. and I go to therapy etc. I can put you in touch if you live in the UK?
Also I have insomnia yay. so pretty much here all the time ahaha....ah..
TMI maybe XD
Also have fucking crazy visual dreams too. Had one about Arras and I couldnt found the way out of the church but people were coming and going.
cold trail
More of a #general, but nothing wrong with talking to folks about what you're going through.
strange dome
mybad hydrathewise
cold trail
Lots of us hit some crazy times in life, gotta power through, best wishes for you!
no worries
vestal locust
Found the perfect quote regarding this recent update news on reddit... going to edit it so it doesn’t hurt anyone lol
“After r BF1, I was so godsdamned excited for this game. It had so much potential. I was envisioning skirmishing with Wehrmacht in St. Lô, blowing Soviet tanks apart at Kursk, ambushing Marines on Saipan, dogfighting against Spitfires over the desert while the battle of El Almien raged under my wings. . . and this is what we got instead. This abhorrent mess of a "game". Dice... are you even listening to the surveys you send out/ask for?
solid hinge
or a jap
strange dome
He really wanted to play for the axis forces... like really wanted too.
solid hinge
but he didn't
copper gorge
Hey anyone know of any clans that are taking recruits?
strange dome
We getting a community letter this week I think ( Friday? ) "Letter from the front". You think that will have anything good in it? 😦
solid hinge
it better do
copper gorge
I think bf 2020 is too soon lmao
Make it bf 2022 and we'll talk
Rushed dev cycle is the main reason why we're in this mess
solid hinge
2021 is good enough
strange dome
they need a mini project to give all the new people at dice some experiance. They losing all they senior staff as of late.
copper gorge
does dice LA still exist