but i think the fact that even good OW players don't wanna play it shows the issues
#battlefield-legacy-titles
midnight nimbus
fluid tusk
takes away the skill
solid hinge
I dont mean the class arena shooting I mean the gamemode concept basically
midnight nimbus
i mean minimap spotting adds its own dimension of skill and removes another
solid hinge
Overwatch?
fluid tusk
people will just rush the blips
solid hinge
Just more team based stuff
fluid tusk
for kills
stoic breach
Rushing blips for kills is great
midnight nimbus
skill is an obligatory word that can be used to define anything
fluid tusk
its call of duty bullshit
midnight nimbus
minimap spotting = enforces more movement
solid hinge
Oh okay so we shouldnt kill?
midnight nimbus
and gadgets like the BF4 DS-3 Decoy made minimap spotting really interesting
ivory acorn
What would you guys think of a mode with AI?
midnight nimbus
adds a layer of counterintel play
fluid tusk
the whole point that the game lacks tht sort of thing is so people can flank around polistions instead of turning them into meat grinders like previous battlefields
ivory acorn
Breakthrough with AI soldiers
stoic breach
The sniper decoy could add decoy spots to the minimap as well
fluid tusk
people would converge on dots and turn it into meat grinders
fluid tusk
not true at all
stoic breach
Well if you look at Grind
fluid tusk
play BF4
ivory acorn
AI battles would be amazing, especially on Marita
solid hinge
i would love a mode where you have to defend a fort ftom like 90 bots
stoic breach
Thats just the end of combined arms
fluid tusk
90% of the maps devolve into meat grinder situations on flags that have a lot of buildings nearby
midnight nimbus
BF4 meatgrind doesn't really exist outside of Metro/Lockers 64p lol
solid hinge
By wakkas logic panzerstorm and operation metro should both be meatgrinders
fluid tusk
yet they arent, due to the lack of blips
fluid tusk
people like small closed off bullshit maps
thats why battlefield is a shell of its former self
midnight nimbus
i mean appealing to modern tastes is how you make sales
fluid tusk
modern
ivory acorn
What’s meatgrinders? I’m not familiar with battlefield vocabulary
solid hinge
Depends
midnight nimbus
why wouldn't they make a game that most people like
that just wouldn't make sense
fluid tusk
Meat Grinders = soldiers rushing eachother creating large amount of carnage/death
ie: the russian strategy
midnight nimbus
obviously BF3/4/1 did something right if they were the highest selling BF games with the largest playerbases
ivory acorn
Oh
midnight nimbus
played 64p Hainan Resort, Guilin Peaks, Propaganda, Flood Zone, and a few other CQ maps yesterday, no meatgrinder detected
fluid tusk
most people bought BF1 because it was a breath of fresh air from the Modern Military shoot bangs and futuristic dude bangs
midnight nimbus
you can avoid the meatgrinder
fluid tusk
BF1 was shitted on after launch for dumbed down gameplay
midnight nimbus
honestly, play SQUAD or RS2V
fluid tusk
dont believe me? theres a forum for that
midnight nimbus
bc that's the gameplay you're asking for
fluid tusk
go shill your other game somewhere else
this is a battlefield chat, not a shit storm chat
midnight nimbus
i'm here to shill the games that made BF a massive and fun success
no secret that the community loved BF3 and 4
solid hinge
Dont think the argument is about being forced into meatgrinders, think it was something about meatgrinders being a thing because of gamemode design rather than map design
midnight nimbus
and that they were massive sellers
solid hinge
Unsure at this point tbh
fluid tusk
kht, your a troll. you were called out as such a month ago. no one should take anything you say seriously
midnight nimbus
BF is always gonna have your meatgrinder experience because a lot of the community fucking loves them
denying this is delusional
solid hinge
Kht has some decent points sometimes but he always seems to have some alterior motive behind his arguments
stoic breach
Its not really ulterior
solid hinge
Like personally I dont think he believes in the marketing side of 3d spotting he just wants it back personally
midnight nimbus
i truly believe in both sides
solid hinge
But thats just me
midnight nimbus
because the marketing side draws in a big playerbase
i wanna see my favorite franchise get a fuckton of sales
and a big playerbase means tons of servers to play on
fluid tusk
we called him out on having these weird childish views a few weeks back
stoic breach
Its not really childish
fluid tusk
his views are the views shared by people who only grew up with 360 and nothing else
in terms of games
midnight nimbus
it's fairly reasonable to defend what made the highest selling BF games successful lol
fluid tusk
he wanted BF to become COD
stoic breach
That sounds like elitism
fluid tusk
hold on going to copy paste more of our old conversation
solid hinge
Cod and bf are 2 diferwnt games
stoic breach
I dont think that's necessary
midnight nimbus
and i do genuinely care about the experience of the new player and onboarding them to give them a good experience
stoic breach
CoD and BF still have alot of fundamental differences
midnight nimbus
we were all the new player at once
solid hinge
Doit
fluid tusk
Wakka38702/12/2019
@kht120 Tactical shooters as in, limited ammo/health/realism effects
Celestine Black02/12/2019
I want an original claymore as in a 7ft long sword
kht12002/12/2019
ah so milsims
Strider🌈02/12/2019
In Battlefield the stuff going on is normally so grand in scale you never realise what happened that caused you to capture a point but normally it's a squad probably flanked but you never even saw them
wangkhan02/12/2019
most of the time you really can't
kht12002/12/2019
nothing inherently more tactical about boomer games
they're just slower
Celestine Black02/12/2019
wtf is a boomer game?
just because CoD and BF share a feature does not turn BF into CoD lmfao
midnight nimbus
lmfao the "tactical = slow" equivalence
tactics exist in every game at every level
stoic breach
Yeah to be fair, Titanfall 2 can be tactical
midnight nimbus
boiling down "tactical" to suit your personal definition is a boomer move
tic tac toe is tactical
solid hinge
omg can yall stfu
stoic breach
coral fiber
Uhh ok
stoic breach
Wat
coral fiber
Wow
solid hinge
What?
gray saffron
well that escalated quickly
coral fiber
Pls don't say that here
midnight nimbus
just lmao @ people who think BF needs to turn into SQUAD
stoic breach
I wish BFV was just BF1 but in WW2
glad charm
If i was to get standard edition today would i be able to get all the weapons?
midnight nimbus
yeah, with all the shit i hate about BF1, reskinning into WW2 would be a massive success
and still enjoyable
stoic breach
We could just all have a nice positive conversation 😔
Yeah
I still prefer BFV movement but just overall, BF1 plays alot better
midnight nimbus
no behemoths or elites would already make it a 9/10 game
midnight nimbus
i hate the anti-casual elitism attitude more than anything tbh
solid hinge
Bf1 gunplay is trash
stoic breach
Custom servers that removed behemoths/elites were godsends
midnight nimbus
yeah, BFV ezmode gunplay is an improvement for a game like this
glad charm
Bf1 gunplay is definitely not trash lmao
midnight nimbus
there's a lot about BF1 gunplay i love
but it punishes being inaccurate too much
solid hinge
It is trasg
midnight nimbus
for accessibility purposes
glad charm
Bf5 is better but Bf1 was not bad
solid hinge
its wasnt bad as a gamr
stoic breach
BF1 gunplay had spread though which I prefer
midnight nimbus
BF can be super accessible and casual friendly without "being CoD"
solid hinge
The gunplay was BAD th
stoic breach
Yeah but its like
glad charm
Are u ok @solid hinge
stoic breach
Spread to recoil
solid hinge
Yeah im ok y
glad charm
I just worry man
midnight nimbus
just enough spread to maintain balance and nothing more
stoic breach
It feels kinda wonky now after playing BF1 again
coral fiber
Wtf is my life rn
I'm on discord and cutting a mango
glad charm
^
midnight nimbus
try playing BF4 and magdumping to see what a lot of spread actually looks like
or really play any BF before BF3
solid hinge
Wht did you assume i wasnt okay
stoic breach
Yeah I did try magdumping to see the spread and it was wild
glad charm
I was just making sure you were ok
glad charm
Because you made a shooting joke
solid hinge
so?
fluid tusk
thanks mods
midnight nimbus
bigly recoil is a bad meme tbh
fluid tusk
ok im back
solid hinge
why tf you so pissed ffs
fathom pebble
stoic breach
Aight den
fluid tusk
i was muted in error by spambot
glad charm
Sorry man i just like the taste of beer
stoic breach
It wasnt error
fluid tusk
anyway, point is, Kht is a troll
stoic breach
You were copypasting large blocks of text
midnight nimbus
i think BFV spread without spread to recoil would be perfect
bc its actually pretty low
coral fiber
I'm enjoying this as i peacefully eat my mango
solid hinge
Dude i dont mind kht so far so
stoic breach
If I could disable spread to recoil in the settings that would be great
fluid tusk
I was copy pasting a large block of text relevant to the conversation, as it was a prior discussion between me and kht
glad charm
Can you still run around with an smg and hipfire everybody?
stoic breach
I read about that suggestion
fluid tusk
and a few other BF members
midnight nimbus
i don't mind wanting to play a tactical shooter or whatever
solid hinge
@coral fiber enjoy your mango me boy
fluid tusk
if it wasnt in error, I wouldnt have been unmuted
coral fiber
Lol
midnight nimbus
just remember that being a hype accessible shooter is what made BF a super popular game
fluid tusk
indeed
it was a conversation between me, kht and a few others. and was a continuation of another conversation I posted
midnight nimbus
even BF3/4 had a lot of features that aren't accessible/casual friendly enough imo
stoic breach
Why
midnight nimbus
not a fan of making shit even more difficult for new players to create some illusion of a "skill gap"
solid hinge
Oh god you some loud mfa
fluid tusk
all I know is that, when the dust finally settles. BFV will be considered one of the best BF games
coral fiber
midnight nimbus
[X]
stoic breach
Idk, BFV doesnt really reward forward thinking as much as it punishes a lack of it
coral fiber
midnight nimbus
i think too many people have left DICE at this point to redeem BFV
just gotta hold on for the next game, if there is one
stoic breach
It prettt much is
midnight nimbus
100+ people leaving a 500 person company is a lot
fluid tusk
people shat on BF4 for 90% of its life
midnight nimbus
yeah BF4 and BFV are two very different shitshows
fluid tusk
everything from the BF4 hate wank is still online
solid hinge
Its drakesdens birthday in like 1 hour 10 mins
midnight nimbus
BF4 was never lacking in content or gameplay polish
midnight nimbus
none of the patches ever changed gameplay much
and content was always consistently releasing
fluid tusk
yea the patches did
midnight nimbus
networking was just fucked
biggest patch to affect infy play was a rework on damage models and spread to improve balance
vehicle changes were relatively minor throughout its lifespan as well
fluid tusk
watch westies old BF4 vids
midnight nimbus
actually SRAW nerf was kind of a big deal
fluid tusk
they show everything
midnight nimbus
but the issues with BF4 that made it awful at launch were pretty much networking
and stability
fluid tusk
suppression in BF4 was a shit show, they buffed it one patch and nerfed it the next
glad charm
Did the guy who kept telling everyone to stfy get moderated?
midnight nimbus
BF4 patches also made it consistently better 🤔
glad charm
Surprising lmao
midnight nimbus
vs consistently adding new bugs
and making performance worse now than it was at launch for many people
BFV patches were going fine for a little while too
midnight nimbus
until this summer started
midnight nimbus
> broke some meme hardware shit that was already pretty much dead by the time the game came out anyways
that far less than 1% of people used
midnight nimbus
well, BFV can't break sound further 🤷 so i guess it's got that going for it
fluid tusk
a battlefield game with 0 sound
hell theres even when BF4 broke hit reg after the 2015 spring patch
everyones obsessing over BF4, yet are quick to deny the issues it had
vast sinew
Do I run faster with melee weapon?
gray saffron
no
fluid tusk
hey remember when the RSP program broke the game for every platform?
midnight nimbus
i'll praise BFV for not having RSP at least
that was a huge promise for me, personally
fluid tusk
the RSP system in BF4 crashed every time someone tried to sue it
stoic breach
RSP kinda sells the game to BF community players though
fluid tusk
to the point where DICE had to put up an emergency patch
because people who paid for servers were pissed
hold on, lemme get it
midnight nimbus
RSP was epic for comp play and the like
bc at least they wouldn't turn the game into some mess that it wasn't designed to be
stoic breach
Yeah it pains me that the most popular BF1 servers here are custom hardcore
It sucks so much
midnight nimbus
server seeders in BF4 make me sad
get my hopes up for something hype like 32p Chain Link
stoic breach
Are those the population bot ones?
stoic breach
Yeah, I dont think that happens here
midnight nimbus
idk if it's a thing on console
gray saffron
but those are just exploits.
stoic breach
Even on PC
I was talking about it with my friend who plays on PC and he mentioned how its not financially viable to try and host servers in OCE
midnight nimbus
RSP also ran at a loss for DICE bc no one is willing to pay what an actual server is worth
fluid tusk
I would like to know why your servers suck so bad ? I paid $25 for a server that i now cant even access, let alone play on it when we could access it. case # after case # and nothing gets done ! Completely unacceptable
2 people had this problem.
official servers are the based solution 👌
fluid tusk
so will 360 server rentals be refunded or given free days due to lag and connection problems????
2 people had this problem```I keep on banning accounts but they just show up with new ones.
Apparently it is a known exploit so please DICE fix it! If it continues like that our regulars will not come back and then there is no need to rent a server anymore.
How long can it take to patch the game server? I even heard that there is an internal patch available awaiting game server update.
So please push it out before we lose our whole player base.
5 people had this problem.
yea, RSP was a mess on BF4
midnight nimbus
RSP was a mess on BF4
midnight nimbus
idk what will really redeem BFV if performance and stability ever get fixed though
would love to see DICE prove me wrong, but gonna be tough down 100 or so guys
stoic breach
Yeah indie in general is just nice
midnight nimbus
i don't care for AAA graphics
or the super expensive 64p memes
BFBC3 being super stable and well performing, built around 32 or 40p modes would be amazing
i think BFV is DICE biting off more than it can chew with the immersion meme
stoic breach
Honestly I would enjoy 40 player Frontlines on Operation Locker
glad charm
So do they keep breaking the game more and more each patch?
glad charm
Because thats what they’re doing with battlefront
stoic breach
Battlefront is stable now though
midnight nimbus
iirc, some dev said at some point that 40p was ideal for design anyways
stoic breach
Yeah Battlefront 2 can get away with its rendition of conquest by having 12 AI on each team
midnight nimbus
yeah, i prefer the illusion of 64p over 64 actual players
midnight nimbus
Frostbite was purpose built for BF, and was fine when its limits weren't stretched
glad charm
Ye
grand haven
EA made a terrible mistake using it for everything.
midnight nimbus
being a little conservative in your design and promises isn't a bad thing
you can more than make up for it with hype marketing
stoic breach
Having the combined arms AI in multiplayer wouldnt be that bad
midnight nimbus
EA needs to take the reins on marketing man
well Frostbite wasn't well designed for AI
that's why Anthem failed
stoic breach
Yeah, but simple AI in conquest or something
midnight nimbus
Frostbite was made for a PVP shooter
glad charm
They used frostbite for Anthem?
midnight nimbus
FIFA functions fine on Frostbite bc it's the simplest thing you can probably make with it
Frostbite was a disaster for Anthem bc it's not made for a 3p PVE looter shooter
glad charm
Are they even supporting it still?
stoic breach
Probably not
glad charm
I haven’t heard anything about it
stoic breach
Unless they miraculously decide to port the entire game to Unreal 4 or something
sonic rampart
When is the new frostbite engine coming
glad charm
5 days ago
stoic breach
I think the better question is when are they bringing Refractor back 
sonic rampart
They had like a trailer where they showcased the hair lmao
glad charm
Last patch
glad charm
BF1 is pretty solid
midnight nimbus
only serious performance issue i can think of was the implementation of the Apocalypse assignments
glad charm
Hardline hit reg was pretty bad iir
midnight nimbus
Hardline just had bad visual recoil for awhile, hitreg was fine
neither game was really pushing the limits of what FB can do
fathom crown
what do you guys think of modern warfare
i honestly think its gonna blow bfv out of the water man
glad charm
Just don’t care to be honest
fathom crown
especially if the pacific content is loaded with bugs
gray saffron
we already had a cod discussion a while back
glad charm
^ different audiences
fathom crown
a lot of people i know that liked the bf franchise said they are gonna get modern warfare
just wanted ur opinion sorry
glad charm
Why would you want a game that will probably have a one year lifetime
midnight nimbus
CoD builds big enough playerbases to be very playable after its life cycle
glad charm
I mean like content wise
midnight nimbus
because a lot of people play for the gameplay, not the content?
personally, i'd take 3 amazing maps over 10 okay ones
glad charm
Wdym
midnight nimbus
tons of games have insane replay value without a ton of content
fiery pier
yeah but quantity > quality :DDDD
my tiny brain cant handle small numbers
they look bad :((
stoic breach
BFV has neither though so yeah
glad charm
They look clean
stoic breach
Pretty much
Cant wait for Al Sundan boomer conquest
I like the idea of large breakthrough though
fiery pier
when is RSP again
glad charm
I cant play bf1 at all anymore
glad charm
Bf4 is fine tho i can easily find games
gray saffron
i was so hyped for al sundan and so disappointed to when it was delayed xD the map i looked forward the most this chapter imo
fiery pier
"i cant wait to run about the map for half the game!"
midnight nimbus
why shoot people and play the game when you can run around and do nothing instead?
solid hinge
boi
Oh no
call of duty is better than battlefield
The BENET MERCIE was used in ww2
I NEED IT
fathom crown
really?
stoic breach
MW2019's 20v20 is apparently really crap according to people who've played it
midnight nimbus
mfw CoD WW2 has released more guns this year than BFV has
solid hinge
Yes
stoic breach
So not very excited personally
solid hinge
It was used through the whole war
stoic breach
2017
fiery pier
coming up on 3
gray saffron
every chapter so far was mostly just guns guns guns. this is the first chapter where they actually slowed down with giving guns
midnight nimbus
DEAD COD GAME RELEASED MORE GUNS THAN CURRENT BF
solid hinge
I would pay 100$ for the benet mercie in bfv
stoic breach
Yeah good job dice for making a billion weapons and then releasing 5 weeks worth of cosmetics
gray saffron
i wouldn't mind more cosmetics..if you could buy em with cc 😦
stoic breach
People would pay serious boin for a knife
solid hinge
then make them tradable
stoic breach
Who knows man
fiery pier
this isnt f2
fathom crown
yes yes make tradeable items yes
fiery pier
tf2
solid hinge
you're hired
stoic breach
People would pay for melee weapons if they'll pay $10 for elites
fathom crown
bonus sale: 20 crates for 15,000 boins
stoic breach
Which also include melee weapons
fiery pier
are elites still on "discount"
fathom crown
yes
fiery pier
yikes
fathom crown
990 i think
stoic breach
It was decided they should just stay 990
vast sinew
Oh thats the discount price?
fathom crown
lol im taking a temporary break from bfv till october to see how pacific content is
midnight nimbus
waiting 4 anime cat girl elite to reinstall
stoic breach
Well, I guess that must've been the plan from the start
vast sinew
How much are they usually
fiery pier
it was released discounted
but i honestly dont believe it was ever the plan to have them 1500
fathom crown
im waiting for a robotic sjw elite man
fiery pier
or w/e they were
fathom crown
lmao dice knows damn well that if they increase the elite boin price to 1500 no ones gonna buy them
thats why they released them discounted in the first place cause of so much community backlash
stoic breach
Cosmetics are literally like the lowest concern out of all the issues in BFV
fathom crown
yes
the gun play is good and thats p much my only positive rn
just waiting for content
fathom crown
SARs are pretty much the god weapon
like lmao
you can compete with snipers
at cqc, you can hipfire decently
stoic breach
Yea
I wouldnt even mind if SARs were the entire assault class
I just wish medics got the assault rifles instead
fathom crown
yea i wish medic guns were powerful
suomi and thompson is good at cqc but after that
they are like nerf guns
solid hinge
the problem with giving assault smgs is the only two smgs they'd actually use are suomi and Thompson
who the fuck is gonna use any other smg when the sars exist
solid hinge
ZK is only meta because it's the most accurate smg
solid hinge
if assault had smgs why on earth use ZK when you have semis available
fathom crown
sturmgewher and maybe the m1907 are the only ar's i'd use
fiery pier
1907 hipfire 😋
solid hinge
Assault rifles are great and are exactly how they should be
fiery pier
STG is the only bad assault rifle
solid hinge
It’s just SARs
stoic breach
Weak at range?
solid hinge
STG is my favourite one tbh
Super easy to control the recoil
Man thr gehewr 43 is powerful
Very predictable pattern
stoic breach
The M1907 virtually has no recoil if you burstfire
gray saffron
stg44 for life..though i'm using the sf a lot these days due bayonet 😦
solid hinge
Do ya all use ADS FOV, or disable it?
Because I feel like it’s essential for 1x scopes on certain weapons and MMGs
gray saffron
i have it turned off
glad charm
Is the 1911 still the best pistol?
solid hinge
Revolver yh
glad charm
1911 is not a revolver
solid hinge
Oh best pistol
gray saffron
i like the 1911. great sidepiece to swap to if your run out of bullets during a fight
solid hinge
Is that the one which poops out the ammo into your hand?
If so, yes that’s the best sidearm outside of the revolver
glad charm
Whats the ruby like in comparison because i used that in the open beta
solid hinge
Emm from my memory I think it has less damage
bronze grotto
which zk spec is most meta though
gray saffron
but has the fastest weapon switch from all pistols i think
glad charm
I did pretty good with it but yeah i’d imagine
solid hinge
Can you send a pic of the ZK spec tree? I’m not on my pc rn
But it’s the fire rate one
10% faster bullets
And something else
fathom crown
i could literally just use a revolver and get atleast 3 KD
solid hinge
Revolver is insanely good
leaden glen
Anyone having problems with the EA servers?
solid hinge
If you use a heavy melee weapon you can instantly kill people at close range
Shoot them one and melee lmao
It’s so cheap and dirty
When I hear someone coming i just rush them and use the revolver + melee
Two revolver shots if they’re out of range
meta zk is the accuracy tree
glad charm
Remember the revolver sound from bf4
solid hinge
rof ZK feels like thompson with less ammo
which platform do you play on Alya
Ps4
Whenever I use that tree on pc, I get outgunned by good players
No issues with any other smg
That build is just too slow
540 ain't much faster than 514
rotund beacon
I hate the mp28
solid hinge
and the light bolt zk feels like the two fast smgs but smaller ammo capacity
Yeah but the iron sights feel good
glad charm
Why do you hate the mp28
solid hinge
Who?
vast sinew
What are your guys favorite classes in BFV?
gray saffron
medic and support for me
solid hinge
recon is my favourite
rotund beacon
I couldn’t hit for crap with it. I do fine with the rest of them. I think the grip being on the side threw my brain off
vast sinew
I like Medic a lot
rotund beacon
Medic and assault
vast sinew
@solid hinge which weapon do you use for Recon?
solid hinge
Medic because of how versatile your gameplay can be
Krag and p08c
i wouldnt recommend using the krag though
vast sinew
Why?
solid hinge
or any bolt action really
vast sinew
I currently use the Ross
glad charm
I think i’d probably just use the Sten religiously
solid hinge
They're weak basically
rotund beacon
Bolt action are rough for me cause I can’t hit them any way
solid hinge
Krag and Kar have the highest bullet velocity out of all the bolts
so that helps for distant targets, but they're still too slow
sonic moss
Is it just me or does the recoil vary from sight to sight?
pure lion
@stoic axle ZH 29 ist fucking OP. It's a two shot over almost all common ranges
sonic moss
On guns
solid hinge
ZH is better than basically every bolt action
the consistency is huge
P08 feels like a weak SAR with more drop off in projectile speed and damage, and also sufffers from lens glare
p08 being a weak SAR still makes it better than every other recon weapon
iirc they removed scope glint from it
Oh
It also has super good hipfire
Under 10 metres it's got a 3btk
Wdym
It reveals your position when sniping
Enemies will see a little flashlight
it was big glint considering how weak the snipers are
When you aim at them
Which reveals your position
leaden glen
Is there something going on with the PlayStation Network?
solid hinge
Yes but it’s like a big target on your head
personally I dont mind the glint
The issue with glint is not that it’s for recon, the issue is that it isn’t on semi automatic rifles.
i wish they'd boost it back to the original lighthouse levels
SARs should have glint with 3x scopes
They’re essentially better SLR.
Yeah that's the main reason people complain
Assault is better at range than recon
bronze grotto
lol dice why does even finishing a match crash the game too now?
solid hinge
I'm more scared of a g43 than any recon weapon
pure lion
@solid hinge semi auto rifles are for close to mid range and not long range
pure lion
@bronze grotto which platform?
solid hinge
The g43 is unironically better at range than any other recon weapon
2-3 kill any range if you hit one headshot
Oops
It’s 2-4*
depends on the semi
Some dont have damage drop
bronze grotto
pc
pure lion
@solid hinge but you don't lay down at spawn with a selbstlader
bronze grotto
lol so much for triple a lul
midnight nimbus
tired: "SARs should have glint with 3x scopes"
wired: SLRs shouldn't have glint with 3x scopes
solid hinge
You don’t, but it’s a major threat
pure lion
I don't know about you guys but I play really aggressive with semi auto guns. so scope glare isn't that important
solid hinge
you can use them at any range effectively
the bastard weapons are very flexible
AG M/42 is the most ridiculous weapon lol
At long range
You can kill snipers from so far away
No glint
at least it has a tiny mag
When I use it I get accused of hacking lol
Barely any recoil
Yeah it’s not a feeding weapon
pure lion
@solid hinge the AGM is pretty bad in comparison
rotund beacon
Just went and played bf1. Completed the storm the doors medal and ranked up twice
solid hinge
Only 240RPM or so
Insane recoil
seb gets 3btk at any range with a 26 mag
You’re better off with the 43
might not output damage the fastest but it wins at range and for magdumping
G43 cant dump enough
midnight nimbus
3BTK at 257RPM is pretty good given how autos degrade due to recoil and spread
you can magdump the G43
short pecan
there is no spread
solid hinge
It only has 11 bullets
I need more
Oh since we’re talking about the worst
Let’s go over the worst weapons in medic
Just got full gold MG42, the secret is camping
short pecan
sten is worst
solid hinge
I’d say the EMP or MP32
pure lion
Did anyone else notice a lot of new players?
solid hinge
@pure lion BF V is getting good reviews now, so
short pecan
huh in what world?
pure lion
@solid hinge but they all play the fucking at gun
short pecan
it mught be because of gamepass or something?
solid hinge
"The fucking at gun" w h a t?
pure lion
@short pecan are you the give chauchat guy from Reddit?
short pecan
just make it available already ffs
pure lion
@solid hinge is it? I didn't really like it in bf 1. Is it just me?
short pecan
its been in sp since launch
solid hinge
It's different in bfv, cause the gun has already been finished for Eight Months
and it's not in the game
in the *multiplayer
short pecan
its basically a full auto SAR
solid hinge
it's an lmg with a different damage model
they could literally give it to us right now
short pecan
and with no spread it has incredible range potential
pure lion
@solid hinge They are probably preparing for a big comback
solid hinge
the annoying part is they wont tell us why they wont release it
short pecan
s-soon, right guys? 
midnight nimbus
i mean everything has spread in BFV
short pecan
no
midnight nimbus
but yeah, Chauchat has no spread increase, which is hype
solid hinge
i guess "we want to soft launch the game again" isnt a very good reason
short pecan
there is no random bullet spread in bfv
midnight nimbus
spread to recoil conversion doesn't work on the first shot
so you still get normie BF spread there
pure lion
@solid hinge like I said. They probably are preparing content for big drop. Maybe with a new marketing campaign?
solid hinge
short pecan
feels like they abandoned the game to be honest, 1 small update a week isnt particularly comforting
*a month
gray glade
I feel we might get more regular new content as the summer is over
short pecan
the fact that invisible soldiers stayed in the game for over a month speaks volumes
pure lion
@short pecan They have holidays in Sweden right now
gray glade
we have 5 weeks vacation per year in sweden, alot of ppl take like 4 in one go in the summer, might be the case for alot of dice employees as well
solid hinge
tfw they break about 5 things with last months patch and spend an entire month half fixing one of the things they break
even if they're on vacation they still fuckin broke it before they left
gray glade
yeah
short pecan
also i got the bug where you are stuck in the death screen and cant respawn or redeploy so i had to leave the server lmao
solid hinge
something as significant as invisible soldiers should be an immediate hotpatch within 3 days
a week at most
it took them a month and they havent even fixed it properly
short pecan
yeah it should have been a top priority
solid hinge
and they didnt even fix anything else
pure lion
@solid hinge It's extremely hard to work with Frostbyte. They should rewrite that whole thing or make a completely new engine.(like 343 Studios is doing with halo)
gray glade
how long would it take to rewrite the engine, or just improve the tools to make it easier to use?
short pecan
oh yeah at mines are straight up not working i nearly forgot
solid hinge
Now the next patch isnt out until late august
solid hinge
So that's TWO ENTIRE MONTHS of two of supports three gadgets not working properly
pure lion
@gray glade 2-3 years
languid flare
I can wait that long
glad charm
So if i played the game in the open beta and really enjoyed it do you guys recommend me buying it?
short pecan
tank literally drove over 3 of my mines, they exploded and he took literally no damage at all
solid hinge
i drove over 3 mines earlier and took 14 damage
languid flare
bruh
gray glade
so if dice wanted to remake the frostbite engine and then dev a game after that we're looking at like 4-5 years dev time total? 😮
solid hinge
genuinely AP mines do more damage to tanks than AT mines right now
short pecan
pure lion
@gray glade we still have DICE LA
rotund beacon
Yes
solid hinge
imagine having 3 gadgets available for support and breaking two of them at the same time you nerf the other one
and leaving that for two months
short pecan
solid hinge
two whole months
languid flare
@short pecan i want that emote
pure lion
And it's not like they completely scrap the code of the old engine. It's more like an update which is a big mistake. The last Battlefield that was not broken at launch was bf3
short pecan
ap mine nerf was overkill tbh, they are pretty much a dead slot now
formal valve
I’m gonna say the N word
solid hinge
It doesnt bust walls in one hit anymore
formal valve
no content
solid hinge
@formal valve 
formal valve
Not that N word silly
solid hinge
Alright gamers my gf just broke up with me
formal valve
Ouch
short pecan
thats epic
midnight nimbus
"The last Battlefield that was not broken at launch was bf3"
lmao are you kidding
BF3 launch wasn't good
gray saffron
now you can be a true devoted medic! 😄
midnight nimbus
Ysujy above
round field
lmao
short pecan
bf1 launch went ok i think
formal valve
@pure lion bruh
midnight nimbus
BF1 and BFH are the only modern BF games with good launches
formal valve
You high?
round field
he smoking some shit
formal valve
He’s on some dank lush
midnight nimbus
weapon balance on BF1 launch was a little wonky but that's about it
nothing gamebreaking
short pecan
yeah bf3 launch was pretty rocky, not as bad as 4 but far from ideal
formal valve
It was still pretty bad
glad charm
pure lion
BF 1942 launch was good👌
short pecan
i give them some slack since they started using battlelog for the first time
gray glade
bf1942 was a tiny game comparatively to nowadays games tho
😃
i think it sold like 1½ - 2 mil total
BF1 sold 20
glad charm
Wasn’t battlefield 4 based on a website?
gray glade
at least
glad charm
On pc
gray glade
glad charm
Lmfao
pure lion
@glad charm yeah the launcher
glad charm
That was a bad choice
short pecan
it has its advantages
pure lion
@short pecan when it worked
solid hinge
@solid hinge at gun = AT rifle I guess
icy sluice
I still think that the AT Rocket Gun should've one shot planes
Especially since you had to bipod it
light oar
i love playing tdm and 3/4 of my squad are snipers with 6 kills between them
i embraced the garbage and all of them were holed up in one tower
not even reviving eachother
fathom crown
i found another amazing cosmetic idea
for october
we had zombie nazis
for 2000 boins yes yes
short pecan
yeah would be kinda neat for halloween or something
they could make so much more creative modes for the rotations
instead its all variations of conquest for the most part
ivory acorn
@short pecan are you the same dude on reddit?
short pecan
no
ivory acorn
Ok
coarse thunder
Don't need a halloween special event when the characters are running around in costumes all year
coarse thunder
"Trick or treat" oy another bloody wanker with a gas mask
solid hinge
Ive landed a blenheim in the middle of an objective and killed 3 people there whilst inside the turret
coarse thunder
How did not one assault ding you with a panzerfaust
twin current
What's the name of the setting that changes how close to the center of the screen the ui elements are?
Cause there is lots of space between the minimap and the edge of the screen and I want to put it closer to the edge
junior topaz
the most annoying thing for the war stories is the fact of the reused multiplayer characters constantly
it makes it so lifeless imo
and just lazy
icy sluice
Wow, there's fog on Marita
marble phoenix
I feel like the XP gained at the end of matches is making more sense with the TOW ranks, now.
Fog on Marita sounds tough
ivory acorn
Fog on Marita sounds awful considering it’s hard enough to see people on the map already
fathom crown
yes
solid hinge
I keep getting into the same tdm lobbies with the same hacker rip
Cheater* not hacker
pure lion
When you make a BFV OC https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldCosmetics/comments/cm3dnz/not_much_is_known_about_this_soldier_he_is_known/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
pffff he doesn't even have a gasmask /s
stone remnant
Uwu i replied
pure lion
When you make a BFV OC https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldCosmetics/comments/cm3dnz/not_much_is_known_about_this_soldier_he_is_known/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
pffff he doesn't even have a gasmask /s
*I mean two
scarlet gust
Is it possible to shoot down planes with an AA gun?
Or do you need two AA guns/ one AA gun plus another plane?
stone remnant
AA gun is anti-air... It by itself and if used right can dominate the sky battle
Gotta have AA gun skills
coral fiber
You sure man chuckles
coral fiber
Lol fine.
stone remnant
prime pine
Kek
fringe geyser
@solid hinge get gud
polar totem
Just finished The Last Tiger, Jesus it might be the best campaign so far
gray saffron
yup
polar totem
Also in a stunning moment of stupidity, I did it on hardcore for my first ever exposure to it
So in order to get the tank skin you have to beat it 100%?
coarse thunder
How was getting annihilated by the Calliopes
coarse thunder
I got to the first arena in Last Tiger in hardcore then reset the campaign to normal lol
polar totem
I did the whole thing on hardcore
lethal sigil
If you wanna 100% the mission you just do all the challenges
coarse thunder
I was playing at 8 pm and had no patience
lethal sigil
The challenges aren't that bad
coarse thunder
I'm talking the difficulty
lethal sigil
For the first mission I think it's don't repair at all and kill a tank 50 meters awag
Away*
polar totem
175 meters away
polar totem
It isn't, but I wouldn't dare do it on hardcore
lost pike
Gross people's stats on Battlefield 🤢
lethal sigil
No, not at all
gray saffron
darn, you got some balls to do it on hardcore as your first try xD i went through them first on easier diff for the story and then did them all on the highest for achievements and stuff
lethal sigil
What's the website for checking stats on battlefield?
polar totem
Battlelog
gray saffron
bfvtracker
polar totem
Oh wait that's for earlier ones
lethal sigil
Alright, thanks
vernal plover
whats the best way to be put on the winning side?
i dont like being on the losing side
polar totem
Just get lucky
gray saffron
be an awesome player that scores high and gets your squad in the top as well ;D
topaz atlas
Doing a mission for Kar-98k efficiency, had to get 10 kills from 60m+ in 1 game, and i got 9 before the game ended
coral fiber
icy sluice
tmw you go 22-9 on Mercury as a Recon staying at D as a German
neon grove
Is their any guns coming soon becuase it's getting boring Without no new guns
gray saffron
if it doesn't require an objective, remember there's always combined arms to do assignments in :3
vernal plover
3/3 games ive joined I got put on losing team
gray saffron
you can check out the weeklies ahead of the tow. so far nada. just shotgun skin, some other thing adn the tank body skin.
neon grove
I know that's why I wanted new guns lol
solid hinge
3 in a row isnt too bad
gray saffron
try staying around btw. if you keep joining new servers, you'll usually be put on the losing side again. since you know, they left and opened a spot for you. ;D the next match might add some fresh people, make some of the good ones on the other side leave and boom, the winning side is suddenly yours 😄
upper vault
Don’t worry Trafford an AT is coming near the end of Ch. 4
Also a Trench Cabrini
Carbine***
We have enough guns tbh
We need more maps
solid hinge
we have too many similar weapons
not enough unique ones
and a severe lack of gadgets
vernal plover
4/4 games put on losing team
gray saffron
new gadgets would be nice
icy sluice
Breda would be nice to see coming up
upper vault
We could maybe have different types of AA
Different types of AT stationary weapons
Different types of machine gun stationary weapons
Different types of artillery weapons
Bombing run, heavy bombing run
Elite kits that you can call via Squad call in
More tanks
More planes
Heavy bombers
icy sluice
I think we'll get more Stationary MGs when the Americans and Japs come in
upper vault
Ability to call in a Maus Tank
icy sluice
Stationary MGs are decided on who placed them
upper vault
Well,
solid hinge
i don't think we need any heavier bombers
upper vault
Different types of stationary MGs
neon grove
Ah more ARs and Snipers and Pistols we need
strong pecan
neon grove
Not self loading ones
prime pine
The stuka b-2 needs to have its mines removed from its spec tree.
icy sluice
Everyone is going to use the Breda PG when it comes out
prime pine
Breda is real fucking unique.
icy sluice
4 round burst gun
prime pine
I'll be using it a lot alongside the m2 carbine.
solid hinge
More vehicles in general but anything with more firepower than the Ju-88 will be a damn pain
upper vault
Argh
icy sluice
M2 Carbine will probably be a lot like the M1907 in terms of firepower
upper vault
I just realized the maps must be bigger for heavier bombers
upper vault
We need maps the size of war thunder maps for some good bombing ngl
gray saffron
people are already complaining about planes, let's add more destructive bombers ;D
yeah don't think it would end well
prime pine
I was not looking forward to the JU 88 C in all honestly. But its my most use german bomber.
Cause of its cannon.
solid hinge
i doubt they'll do bombing runs as reinforcements either cause that's what planes are for in the first place
neon grove
I mean that could work
prime pine
And i fucking hate the valentines
upper vault
It would be interesting
solid hinge
I think the m2 will be weaker than the m1907 but more accurate
upper vault
At the same time, artillery won’t be overrated
prime pine
I wish squad leaders could do some sorta marker only friendly planes could see so that we knew where to attack.
A free squad reinforcement
gray saffron
SQUAD LEADER REQUESTED A RECON DRONE.
formal valve
prime pine
Blenheim mk1 is practically a spy plane.
upper vault
But only for 5v5 mode
formal valve
icy sluice
You can turn the Stuka B2 into a Recon Plane
prime pine
Yeah
prime pine
Wish the ju 88's left path was as effective as the blenheim mk1's
But i also wish the stuka b-2's weren't forced to use mines in the borkadonnes route
Bombs are more reliable overall. It'll make strafing tanks easier.
solid hinge
mk1 blen and ju-88c are most effective spotting planes imo
prime pine
Its satisfying getting direct shots with the cannon.
solid hinge
I think the b2 is forced to use mines as a kind of nerf
To prevent them from being able to bomb infantry as well
prime pine
Buuuut the mosquito mk fb vi can do that as well.
So why not allow the stuka to do the same.
solid hinge
The b2 cannons are scarier imo
prime pine
May be scarier but they're not as consistent as using the 6 pounders and 4k pound bomb.
prime pine
I get what you mean and i understand. Just in comparison to another tank buster its just questionable.
solid hinge
Stuka can defend itself to some degree
Mosquito is like a glass cannon
it's.. not quite got the same sheer burst, but it's a scary plane
prime pine
It takes me 4 -5 strafes to take out a heavy tank while for the mosquito mk fbi vi it takes 1 - 2 runs.
Yeah
I wouldn't mind a rework of the mosquito.
Its also a bomber killer. I'd give it that.
solid hinge
the main appeal of the b2 is how good it is vs planes as well I think
prime pine
For that incredibly niche use is why i ask for the buff.
solid hinge
heh
prime pine
For the bombs. For reliability.
solid hinge
I'd personally prefer it
I do understand why not though
They'd be a supreme all-rounder plane
prime pine
But look. At least im not asking for the stuka b-2 to carry borkadonnes and a 1 tonne bomb LOL.
That would outclass the b-1 entirely.
solid hinge
....that would be something
prime pine
It would be a sight
tacit kelp
rotund beacon
Are the elites cosmetic only?
prime pine
Yeah