which is where i think BFV slips up
#battlefield-legacy-titles
midnight nimbus
stoic breach
MW2019 looks interesting but I feel like alot of the gameplay shown in the trailer isnt really gonna be how actual matches look
rich ember
well, the livestream showed more of actual gameplay
echo glen
Imagine if you get matched against a full clan team
rich ember
granted, all of the people at that event were streamers or professionals
fluid spoke
Hey
stoic breach
Yeah
prime pine
The TTK in that will apparently be ultra quick
midnight nimbus
it sounds like normie CoD
stoic breach
During the Marita press gameplay, there wasnt anyone camping because it was streamers and dice friends playing
prime pine
2HKO if one shot is a headshot. Mostly a 3HKO.
midnight nimbus
3BTK 1200RPM FAMAS that's a three round burst
prime pine
Guess im not used to cod after no playing it for a while.
midnight nimbus
yes streamers and pros fail to truly tryhard or play like degenerates in a play test
bc they're not creative enough to figure it out
prime pine
In black ops 2 the MTAR was my personal favourite. Mostly 4HKO and a 3HKO in med close range.
stoic breach
I can imagine there'll just be alot of rocket spam in bigmode
prime pine
In WaW they would be common cause of tanks.
Im pondering on grabbing it.
I just want a game i can play and not have micro transactions forced down my throat.
Which is due to happen cause of Activision.
And i wonder who is worse. EA who fucked up royally or Activision which persists on horrible monetisation.
Its not kidnapping its surprise adoption.
rich ember
I think we need to bring back the Worst Company in America awards tho.
Like, it's needed now more than ever.
Like sure, EA won it twice, but that was before Activision started being real scummy.
midnight nimbus
nah EA is an excellent company in terms of business success
I'll never fault them for wanting high quality products with great marketing
rich ember
Well, i'll fault 'em for everything else they do
because you don't win Worst Company in America twice for no reason.
prime pine
I dont think high quality is the slogan of ea
rich ember
High profits is more their style.
midnight nimbus
can't fault a company for wanting to make a ton of money 🤷🏼♀️
that is their goal after all
BF is fairly unlike other EA products in terms of corporate involvement
rich ember
I can and will fault them for their methods of doing that, however.
Also, they killed Criterion, and i can't forgive them for that.
midnight nimbus
if your product can't deliver, I'm not surprised if you get axed 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
i'd be out of a job too if I couldn't deliver
EA seems to operate very much like any large corporation is expected to operate
rich ember
Like, the last actual thing Criterion released was Most Wanted 2012. After that, they cut their staff down to 17 people, and most of them moved to Ghost Games. Now they just do supporting work, they haven't released a new game by themselves in a long time.
midnight nimbus
having a diverse portfolio of games is just part of capturing as much of the market as possible
rich ember
Apparently Criterion was approached by Nintendo in 2011 to work on a new F-Zero game for the Wii U. Unfortunately they weren't able to handle it, which is unfortunate.
They also killed Visceral, the addition of microtransactions in Dead Space 3 didn't help them, and BF Hardline being their next game basically killed it. They were working on a Star Wars game, but the studio's morale was low cause like, half of the studio was working on the Star Wars game, and the other half were working on Hardline DLC.
midnight nimbus
any company would kill off sectors that aren't succeeding
shouldn't come as to a surprise to anyone with a job
solid hinge
star wars coruscant 1313 has a large cult following despite never being released as a game only that trailer
rich ember
Adds microtransactions in a game that frankly didn't need them
The game doesn't do well because of this
EA kills Visceral for not doing well
EA: Why would Visceral do this?
midnight nimbus
if you can't generate the post launch revenue you're expected to? 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
rich ember
they also killed the OG Battlefront 2 devs in 2009.
midnight nimbus
MTX is unfortunately the future of gaming
gotta get with it or die
initial launch sales, which have provided the bulk of AAA revenue, aren't holding up
rich ember
it doesn't have to be like that.
midnight nimbus
continuous content support needs to be backed with continuous revenue stream
I wouldn't expect to pay someone once and have them give me shit for the next 2-3 years
midnight nimbus
AAA gaming margins already suck compared to the margins from mobile gaming
most modern consumers expect constant content updates
rich ember
considering Mobile games are really fucking cheap to make that's not surprising
midnight nimbus
bc that's what the market has them conditioned to expect
MTX is the future of gaming
rich ember
it doesn't have to be.
midnight nimbus
consumers are fucking delusional thinking that $60 games are the norm
paying $110 for BF2 with post launch content is equivalent to paying $145 today with inflation
and you expect a $60 game that's considerably more complex and difficult to make to deliver more content
solid hinge
it hasn't really changed, just the content used to come in a single large update once a year
midnight nimbus
lmao
midnight nimbus
I don't necessarily want a considerably more complex game either, that's just what most consumers expect
consumers want prettier graphics with better physics and more content with every new game
solid hinge
even going back to the 90s .. games like x wing vs tie fighter had 2 expansion packs that cost the same as the original game
thats always been a AAA thing
midnight nimbus
MTX is necessary for keeping AAA gaming alive with the modern consumer's expectations
that's just the truth of it
games that don't deliver appealing MTX don't perform adequately in terms of revenue stream
rich ember
honestly, if not having MTX's means they're gonna die, then they should die.
rapid hatch
This in one minute
midnight nimbus
the entire consumer base needs to change if you really want to put your foot down and say MTX is bad
but from every metric thus far, consumers seem to largely like MTX
the vocal community doesn't, but they're a tiny minority
solid hinge
lots of people also dont put their money where their mouth is
rapid hatch
I Hope dice will remove this mobile spawner
solid hinge
ie they say they're bad but still buy them anyways
midnight nimbus
yeah, i don't like buying MTX either, so i don't
rapid hatch
Its Game ruining
midnight nimbus
but I'm fine with everyone else doing it
it's necessary to make the money they expect games to make
you don't have to buy it
rich ember
Honestly i'm convinced they're wasting their money.
midnight nimbus
all that I personally ask for is no P2W shit
I think MTX is a waste of money too
I just don't care about how others spend their money
rich ember
I just think there are better uses for that money than lining EA's pockets with it.
midnight nimbus
me too
that's why i love the MTX system
I don't have to spend the money, and idiots can do so themselves
rich ember
i mean, they just don't understand.
I don't think it's that they're stupid, they just don't understand.
midnight nimbus
that's fine, what's more beautiful than taking money from idiots?
willingness to pay
MTX is the superior payment model in terms of pure economical price discrimination
rich ember
educating said idiots so they stop lining the pockets of people taking advantage of 'em.
midnight nimbus
I just don't think BFV executed it well
there's only so many cool cosmetics you can do in a military setting
rich ember
like that whole "what's more beautiful than taking money from idiots" thing is probably what they want you to think. You don't think to tell 'em what they're being taken advantage of if you think about it like that. You think about 'em as below you.
midnight nimbus
companies gotta make their money somehow 🤷🏼♀️
that's every industry man
capitalizing on suckers
I don't know why we expect gaming to be any different
rich ember
But you can't let 'em take advantage of your average man, dude.
Especially for something as unimportant as gaming.
midnight nimbus
because the average man can cough up a lot of money
people cough up a ton of money for a lot of unimportant things every day
gaming is an untapped gold mine for profits
midnight nimbus
you pay $15 to watch a 2 hour movie, and you pay $60 to play a game for 2000 hours
rich ember
They just keep raising the bar for what they consider sustainable profits.
midnight nimbus
I mean AAA games cost >$100m to make nowadays
you gotta recoup those costs, pay your guys, and get ready for the next game
not to mention server maintenance, with players expecting high tick rate servers (which are really expensive)
rich ember
unless crunch is a thing and you don't pay your guys for overtime.
midnight nimbus
if consumers are willing to pay a lot, milk them for what they're willing to pay
rich ember
i don't think players are expecting anything more than 60hz servers, at least on the console side of things. Even for PC, that'd be like, minimum. But in BF4 that's not really a problem cause people can host and pay for their own servers.
cyan fog
Bruh
midnight nimbus
RSP was operated at a loss iirc
people really aren't willing to pay for servers at the price they're actually worth
rich ember
i could ask some people who run a 120hz server on BF4 how much they pay for it
bronze grotto
people have to be exploited man thats just how everything works
midnight nimbus
the consumer is just a piggyback for you to squeeze
bronze grotto
milk everyone for all their worth
midnight nimbus
why let them pay less than what they're willing to pay?
bronze grotto
consumers their money, workers to make more things for consumers to give money to you
nothing wrong, that's just how everything has to be
i mean who cares
midnight nimbus
it's literally how all of business works lol
bronze grotto
they don't mind it right so why not get as much as you can
literally business is to exploit
cyan fog
solid hinge
tfw corporations
bronze grotto
we made our bed now sleep in it
rich ember
I just don't think that it's right for the average man to be exploited so some manager or CEO gets to walk away with more money than they would pay the people working for them.
midnight nimbus
if you think the small business or indie developer is any kinder lmfao
bronze grotto
lol do you expect people to play nice
rich ember
It's not hard.
midnight nimbus
the indie developer just isn't influential enough to charge you more
bronze grotto
it doesnt make you rich to play nice
rich ember
Then maybe what i want isn't to be rich. I want things to be better for everyone.
bronze grotto
if you say so
midnight nimbus
and that's the difference between the average person and someone who can manage a multibillion dollar game publishing company
stoic axle
you dont need micro transactions if you want tons of money... you can do that like steam did. what about skins? people want them. everyone wants them. why they just cant keep like 10% from each sold skin? you can have them free from loot boxes, for levels or whatever. and then you can just sell them for how many you want. and i will take my 10%
no pay to win, no microtransactions like give me $3 for new maps
and thats why CoD is noone playing. you are waiting for like 10 mins for server. because its 60 for game, another 20 for damn DLC
every 3 months
fck that
rich ember
the person who can manage a multibillion dollar game publishing company doesn't care about it's fellow man?
bronze grotto
yes
bronze grotto
he and his fellow multibillion board dudes
midnight nimbus
lmao steam skins literally are microtransactions
rich ember
All 7 of 'em.
bronze grotto
i mean if you play nice your boss and your friends will kick you out
midnight nimbus
gaming is already a low margin industry compared to other entertainment industries and CS related industries
bronze grotto
replace you with someone who is less about nice and more about profits
midnight nimbus
game dev is already low paying compared to other CS jobs
bronze grotto
you can call them shameful but they're the ones with the money they got from suckers and idiots
solid hinge
inherently immoral
bronze grotto
not like they're going to stop though
rich ember
Till something makes 'em.
midnight nimbus
lmfao nothing will stop the MTX train now
it's a massive success
remember all the tears from the BF Heroes community when MTX got turned up to 11
rich ember
Not buying into it. Educating people on how they're being exploited. Reduce the amount of money they can get from said "suckers and idiots".
midnight nimbus
and then analytics showed that player engagement didn't change at all
you can't educate people to not want hype cosmetics and meaningless content
people love their shinies
rich ember
i mean, you can, it would be quite easy to.
solid hinge
you'd have to change things on a larger scale
midnight nimbus
when Epic Games pulled in over 2 billion dollars in one year from a F2P game
that's HYPE MTX
bronze grotto
for every people who doesn't buy shinies there's always going to be that one whale who buys more mtx than hundreds of people ever will
rich ember
that's also getting money from literally kids and we're not even talking about that.
solid hinge
Different audiences kht
midnight nimbus
gamers are gamers mang
solid hinge
Cant market fortnite skins to the bf audience
midnight nimbus
people love their cosmetics regardless of game
bronze grotto
market bf skins to bf audience ez
bronze grotto
sell german larp skins for germans lul
solid hinge
Yeah cosmetics generally but you cant make a comparison between fortnite and bf5 because the reason fortnite sells is purely because of their target demographic
midnight nimbus
implying BF players are considerably older lmao
rich ember
Battlefield isn't being marketed towards literal children.
like, physically, not mentally.
solid hinge
Well I’d wager to guess the age demographic is higher
midnight nimbus
all the biggest community members started playing as literal children lmao
solid hinge
heh
bronze grotto
older people have money too tho
marketing techniques just change
to draw money from different audiences
midnight nimbus
yeah older people love cosmetics too
solid hinge
Like only people ive ever come across on comms has been people from 16-30 years old
midnight nimbus
plenty of games have done this successfully
bronze grotto
whether its kids from their mummy's credit card or a 40 year old gamer from his own credit card or somrthing
solid hinge
Yeah you can do cosmetics sales successfully but comparing it to fortnite is dumb
bronze grotto
marketing and psychology black magic at work to draw blood from a stone
solid hinge
Its like saying; If coca cola sells this well how come my car brand isnt selling well
Its just a dumb irrelevant comparison
rich ember
Coca Cola also owns like 50% of the universe i think
midnight nimbus
plenty of games have managed to employ MTX to older audiences
WoT with their P2W model does decently
solid hinge
Thats not the point chief I already said you can do it successfully
midnight nimbus
R6S shows that even older players love their shiny flashy shit
solid hinge
And now youre implying R6 has an older audience
R6 is has an audience on par with fortnite
midnight nimbus
R6S pros as a whole are relatively old for FPS
largely similar age to guys who peaked in BF4
solid hinge
Youre basing your age demographic on the pros?
midnight nimbus
I mean it shows peak interest in the game
solid hinge
You do realize that pros can only be a certain age due to reaction time
I dont think theres a single fps pro above age 30
rich ember
uh
midnight nimbus
well... there are
rich ember
i would think there are Quake pros that are above 30
solid hinge
Yeah because younger generations dont care about quake as much
rich ember
i think there are some younger quake players from QC, but the scene for that is really small due to lack of interest in the game.
which is unfortunate, i liked playing QC when it worked.
also i asked the people that run a 120hz BF4 server how much it costs 'em to run it, they say about $80/month.
apparently you can get cheaper 120hz servers but they're not as reliable.
zenith smelt
Hi to all! Is BFV stillborn?
rich ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gloomy kraken
R6S pros old? You have not seen Kripps have you?
rich ember
who's Kripps
gloomy kraken
eSports player
rich ember
i don't pay attention to professional R6S
gloomy kraken
From Team Chaos
rich ember
or most professional gaming for that matter
bronze grotto
guys what kind of headgear is the best for concealing my head
like breaking up the silhouette or for blending in
rich ember
just get a fuckin' doug dimmadome hat
short pecan
the practise range is such a bad joke
oh it even crashed my game lmao
i usually never crash
solid hinge
Hardline time 
bronze grotto
is kraken good for marita or use stormchaser brown instead
short pecan
you cant even test different weapon specializations like wtf
what is actually the point
prime pine
Cosmetics make no difference.
And if you're laying down pray some guy won't club you in.
short pecan
then why did they add all these unnecessary features?
prime pine
You talking about the game itself or the practice range Ayla?
ivory acorn
Rock the Kraken just because it’s an awesome outfit
short pecan
it feels like whoever designed it was out of touch with the actual game
ivory acorn
Almost every part of this game feels like it was made by a different part of the team
short pecan
i dont care about practising how to drive a transport vehicle
rich ember
there are two teams. The gameplay design team, and the art design team.
These two teams never talk.
ivory acorn
Wait a minute
prime pine
I just want my desert rat/white tiger skin for the fg42. 
ivory acorn
Nope you’re gonna get the 5 variant of the GI torso
@prime pine
prime pine
Kek
ivory acorn
5th
prime pine
Nah we're going to get a good 15 variants
ivory acorn
Only this GI uniform will have a backpack
prime pine
"Wow!"
ivory acorn
But get this
prime pine
Does it include unreleased weapons? 
ivory acorn
Totally
Actually it releases with 3 brand new never before seen weapons:
STG 43
MP38
And the semi auto MP40 😀
prime pine
Hah.
ivory acorn
But wait there’s more
bronze grotto
does the backpack feature slightly darker textures
ivory acorn
If you buy this bundle right now, you’ll also receive 3 brand new skins for the Sten!
ivory acorn
But wait, wanna hear about the other 5 bundles that’ll release along side it?
hoary condor
Mozzy.. this you? Or a fanboy? 
ivory acorn
No Squid-eye that’s you silly
upper plank
@hoary condor Quick question. How are you able to upload images?
Oh, wait.
Nevermind. Apparently I'm not a "regular".
rich ember
how long do you have to be here to become a regular anyway
upper plank
Here is a former marketing director for battlefield. https://as-all-things-should.be/i/y6y9.jpg
ivory acorn
The new cod is amazing
upper plank
Yes.
rich ember
there's a tank
upper plank
And maps will be much larger in scale, even adding a 20v20 mode.
ivory acorn
Yes a tank as in 1 tank lol
rich ember
which is more tanks than i'd want in CoD but whatever
ivory acorn
To be fair, Cod Waw had tanks and they were awesome
latent bridge
echo glen
Looks like DICE's monopoly over large map player warfare has bit them in the butt
upper plank
There is a difference between minimum and recommended.
hoary condor
Marita sucks
rich ember
they definitely got overambitious with that.
gloomy kraken
You make it sound like Its 100vs100
gray glade
i'll wait on judging COD MW until they actually have stuff like BF does, tanks vs tanks (yes, tanks as in plural), helis/jets, destruction etc
and actual good sounding weapons and not weapons that sound like nerf guns
32 vs 32 at least
short pecan
isnt ground war gonna be 50v50
rich ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sonic rampart
Marita does suck lol
sonic rampart
It wouldnt if you could reach the castle
solid hinge
tfw no castle
solid hinge
fortress in that castle
sonic rampart
Which lead to the castle
But it was out of bound for us
just make another objective, objective H
On the castle
solid hinge
would solve the current imbalance
echo glen
Imagine the amount of snipers there would be on that castle
solid hinge
The current system rewards tankers who spawn camp and punishes tankers who PTFO
bronze grotto
jesus fucking idiots always taking my halftrack out of a good spot to machine gun people with
literally just blocking c with the halftrack
some halfwit drives it and gets blown up before even crossing the bridge on marita
literally every time
some idiot always suicides the halftrack, 100% of the time
and they always, always make sure to find the hole with the most enemy assaults
to drive the halftrack into
gray glade
i know EXACTLY what u mean
bronze grotto
empty halftrack seats are literally a ticking time bomb
gray glade
breakthrough on that greece map
i put my halftrack in a great position, mowing ppl down
bronze grotto
my god i can easily get 20+ kills just parking a halftrack on one spot
gray glade
but some dude drives away with it
bronze grotto
expecting they can dismount there and do some rambo shit
like please the only thing that can happen is c4 on every side of the metal coffin
gray glade
indeed
green elm
bronze grotto
empty halftrack is like a black hole that attracts exclusively rambo idiots
dumbass magnet
solid hinge
i literally have never been killed in a halftrack that wasnt because someone drove it into 5 assaults
or a tank
bronze grotto
swear to god it's like its hardcoded to teleport an idiot halftrack driver into the seat
god help if it was the anti tank halftrack some moron decides to suicide it
like holy shit REEEE
solid hinge
tfw you get the pakwagen on defence on aerodrome breakthrough to deal with all those damn tanks and your teammate runs 200 metres to where you're parked so they can drive you directly into 5 tanks
bronze grotto
unironically will happen
junior topaz
junior topaz
pretty annoyed that my only special assignment is Firestorm Forever
bronze grotto
he's a newbie but still we already know each other and have mic
hasty nimbus
Same with panzerstorm lol
bronze grotto
"dude what are you doing
"i have a plan ya just get out on c"
"no wtf just let this halftrack stay drive it back jesus"
aerodrome c grenade pistoled to death
junior topaz
“Can you drive to C so we cap it?”
“Mofo i’m taking us to their base”
“facepalm”
bronze grotto
just halftrack gunner things
hoary condor
34-2 .. game crashes 
solid hinge
Is it true for the mastery of SARs, all you need to do is get 60 total headshot kills in an objective area to complete it?
So it’s like an invisible third option
I don’t think I’ll ever complete the 10 in a life, or 20 in a match.
Who still plays Battlefield Hardline
tardy basin
that's a game I haven't touched in a loooong time
mint creek
Havent played bfv since a couple months after launch because I've always enjoyed tanks the most in battlefield but they dogshit back then. They worth using nowadays? More specifically the tiger/churchill?
solid hinge
They changed the tanks a whiiiile back
Light tanks are dogshit now
Mediums are superior, but the tiger can be used effectively
Churchill can be used if you take the howitzer on it
The British mediums are so good it's almost not worth it though
young cedar
dino in firestorm.
what will we do with them?https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/cliths/bf5_aaaa_dinosaur_in_firestorm/
mint creek
Medium tanks superior to the tiger? Sad
At least they arent all useless tin cans though
solid hinge
Even if the heavies were destructive masters, they're just so slow
Lower ammo supply and low fire rate
and they arent destructive masters ;P
Tiger fits a pretty decent role of tank destroyer for the germans
Churchill is more gimmicky
modern oar
when will the close quarters servers come back?
mint creek
I'll have to play with them to check them out. But did they not give them substantially more health than the others? I feel like the tank that is almost a legend of ww2 should be pretty durable
solid hinge
We need passenger seats for most vehicles
Half tracks, jeeps, some tanks,
They do have more health, but they're still in the "one assault can sneak up and kill you" range
so everyone camps on hills with tanks cause assaults are too dangerous
which means most things that kill you are other tanks
mint creek
So one assualt is still enough to take on literally fucking everything? Lovely
solid hinge
to be fair to the heavies the assault has to have full ammo for everything and get it on your rear
Assault does more damage to half tracks than tanks, wtf
So if you let an assault sneak up and slap 3 dynamite on your ass and then throw an AT grenade and two panzerfausts at you that's kind of your fault
mint creek
At least it's harder now then
solid hinge
Yeah they nerfed light tanks and buffed the heavies way back when
Light tanks do pathetic damage to other tanks now
Autocannon literally doesnt hurt tanks
That makes sense
A bit
I do agree it needed a nerf but light tanks are like.. borderline useless at this point
Ik
I'd be okay with at least 1 damage per autocannon shot
mint creek
Lighter tanks being mainly AP is fine imo. They should be able to do SOMETHING but being too effective against tanks with much more speed than other tanks would be a bit strong
solid hinge
The problem is they arent good enough at anti-infantry to justify their current role
Medium tanks are the best half cause of their flexibility
mint creek
I clearly remember a few times before I quit I would use the staghound with rockets and just run circles around tigers while they cant do nearly anything. That shouldn't be possible
solid hinge
They have speed, the ability to hurt tanks, the ability to kill infantry
Yeah that doesnt happen anymore
The light tanks were way too good I agree
Heavies got a notable armour buff
And lights got significant damage nerf vs tanks
The tanks to watch out for are the valentine and the archer for brits
They're the best two in the game by a significant margin imo
mint creek
I see how they are trying to balance them and its seems pretty fine. Sounds like some tuning is needed though. Lights for AP, heavies for AT, and mediums in the middle is pretty accurate to how those tanks were used. Just sounds like they need to give a bit more reason to use the heavy or lights.
solid hinge
Theoretically I like that design! I agree with that
It just doesnt work much in game at the moment
Lights are incredibly susceptible to any damage
The heavies are actually usuable, I usually use the tiger when I'm axis
but the British mediums are just ridiculous
mint creek
So I assume the tiger probably shines a bit more in a map like Panzerstorm where there's alot of tanks to be sniping as opposed to something like Rotterdam where you'll be run up on alot?
solid hinge
Definitely
idle breach
lol remember when valentine AA was destroying everything
solid hinge
The panzer 4 is a little less flexible than the valentine as the German medium tank
You can spec it for anti tank or anti infantry and it's good in both roles, but kind of pants at doing both
mint creek
Sounds about right. That thing was a boogeyman if you were a tanker in ww2. Being able to do its best against tanks makes alot of sense.
solid hinge
Yeah!
I do enjoy the tiger
it's.. the main problem is how ridiculously good the valentine and archer are right now
the archer can out dps anything
mint creek
I remember liking the panzer 4 a good bit when I couldnt use the tiger. Glad it is good
solid hinge
and the valentine can as well
Medium tanks need armour nerf
A valentine can easily yeet all of us with its reverse speed
mint creek
I've never really cared for British tanks irl so that kinda translates into the game and I tend to be more infantry sided on the allies
solid hinge
Full anti infantry panzer 4 is probably the best tank in the game for anti infantry
which.. is another downside to light tanks
;P
fiery pier
Remove attrition from tanks
mint creek
What?
fiery pier
Remove attrition in general
mint creek
No idea what that is
solid hinge
The limited ammo
mint creek
Why remove it? For planes especially it helps keep those guys that go 98-0 from being too powerful
idle breach
what's the point with removing attrition?
prime pine
The problem is that the british tanks outclase in their anti armour role against german tanks.
idle breach
for what..?
gray glade
i would say the biggest reason tanks camp in break through is because of attrition
you would occasionally see camping tanks in bf1, bf3, bf4 but not like this
idle breach
tanks will camp if they don't have attrition I think
prime pine
A valentine mkviii outguns a similarly specced panzer IV. Stug is fucking useless cause its just a panzer iv with an immovable barrel.... Yay.
bronze grotto
just specc into anti infantry panzer 4 so u have an excuse not to waste shells at tanks and get kd from blowing up infantry
also wallhack flares and panic s-mine
idle breach
isn't it because overall firepower against tank is way higher like
prime pine
They would camp but they wouldnt be in such a disadvantage if they weren't
mint creek
I imagine its probably a mix of being closer to a resupply and being afraid to push because of everyone playing assault
prime pine
I Love the AP mine launcher on the panzer iv
solid hinge
the general weakness of tanks is a problem
solid hinge
i like attrition but the tanks also dont feel powerful enough to justify having it right now
they camp on hills but they arent strong, theres just no long range anti tank weapons for infantry
mint creek
Bf4 imo had really good tank balance. Not insane like it was in bf1 for awhile, but not too weak like they are here
prime pine
Tanks need to have the ability to carry the same ammo as each other. 30 normal shells and 42 through ammo spec. Double the part health so they dont get disabled as often and increase turret speed.
solid hinge
it also takes too many shots to kill an enemy tank imo
mint creek
Too many shots depends on the tank
solid hinge
It's actually worse for the heavies because they have less ammo
You can burn through over a third of your rounds to kill a single enemy tank
prime pine
A valentine can 4HKO a panzer IV while Panzer IV can 6-7HKO it back.
Assymetrical balance is horrid
solid hinge
it's the valentine's 6 pounder spec
prime pine
Yeah
solid hinge
panzer 4 is actually balanced in the spec department
prime pine
And the panzer IV's Pak 40 isnt as damaging as the valentines
solid hinge
valentine is literally worst tank in the game unless you get the 6pdr and then it becomes the best
mint creek
It's fine if they actually got their shot together. I like that the two sides have different strengths and weaknesses. The problem is how big they are. They should be alot more minor differences
prime pine
I just drive the churchill for armour
Churchill mkvii i feel is a very strong tank. But now i feel like its showing its age. Cause its range is really bad.
gray glade
the stug is honestly quite good
prime pine
Dont touch the stug. Just touch the panzer iv and you'll get more milage.
solid hinge
the brits get a sick tank destroyer and the germans get a panzer 4 with no turret
gray glade
the machinegun on the stug is really good
solid hinge
and no coaxial machine gun
prime pine
The only thing the stug can run over the panzer iv is a pak 40 and AP mines at the same time.
gray glade
well press f2
mint creek
I played around with the stug in my first match since like February a bit ago. It's alright but defending yourself against anything moving around you is impossible
prime pine
And that part is negligable.
gray glade
the only bad thing is that you cant move after you switch seats
prime pine
Dont want some asshole stealing my tank
solid hinge
you have to have someone else in it to be properly effective
gray glade
agreed, but its fun
prime pine
In this game
solid hinge
and even then you'd be better off with just the panzer 4
solid hinge
I wish they add the king tiger or Porsche tiger h1
I like gimmicky tanks but the stug needs something going for it other than a 360 gunner position
prime pine
Yeah. And when i see the stug you bet your ass HESH rounds are going to be pumped in to it.
mint creek
The king tiger should be a call in that is an absolute MONSTER
mint creek
I saw a post on the subreddit about the king tiger earlier actually
solid hinge
I’d be really happy if they added the easy 8 Sherman to the British tanks
gray glade
which sherman was it in the single player?
solid hinge
My bad LOL
mint creek
I imagine after the Pacific drops it will be all about america for awhile
prime pine
The tiger II is going ti be better than the Tiger I in every way in the game... Therefore no reason to run the tiger I rip.
fiery pier
People are over hyping the Pacific
solid hinge
I want to like this game but it feels so bad
fiery pier
They need to realise everything will be drip fed to them during it
mint creek
I played battlefront 2. I'm expecting them to pull the same shit as they did with the clone wars here.
solid hinge
Almost all of the aaa games this year feel rushed or shitty quality
echo glen
Well, we have to overhype the pacific so people can feel better about waiting for content for this game 
solid hinge
They drip feed the players because they’ll lose interest if they add it in all at once
prime pine
They're going to lose players regardless
prime pine
They need to release the fucking chauchat and all the shit advertised in the trailer
Not delay it like a bunch of lazy asses
mint creek
I imagine they'll drop 2 maps, probably the big gun for each class (garand, grease gun, BAR or 1919, Springfield) then dripped from there
prime pine
Whoever is the fuckhead telling them to hold them back needs to be pulled back.
Cause apparently theres a lot more going on
Based off minor evidence
Better yet! Release two weapons or cosmetics per week and we'll actually shut up! Simple.
solid hinge
someones certainly stalling things
prime pine
Yeah
idle breach
maybe captain price has infiltrated EA headquater
solid hinge
i wonder if they're holding everything back for Pacific to try and relaunch it or something
if they release everything they have stored up all at once
mint creek
The Pacific is most definitely going to be a soft relaunch of the game
solid hinge
yeah
prime pine
I think the reason why they've delayed the panzerbusche cause everyones on vacation
Or someshit
solid hinge
it was already DONE why delay it
vestal locust
Like many people (or from what i read/hear) I too am looking forward to more maps with famous battles and more weapons. Still can’t wait to get my hand on the Browning m1919, BAR, Garand (Ping hype) and other famous firearms yet the drop feed is excruciating slow. I am excited to see the Pacific yet I feel they are really going to screw up unless the recent CoD revved them into the next gear to get things done.
prime pine
They should have announced in advance that there'd be delay for it instead of us finding out too late.
mint creek
Battlefront comes to mind again. The game died completely but now that the clone wars is out it's pretty active and there's plenty going on
solid hinge
yeah
mint creek
I imagine it will be like that for this game as well
solid hinge
especially replacing it with a fuckin waterproof skin
prime pine
Management is a fucking mess
solid hinge
dont make weekly rewards the same as chapter rewards
the waterproof sten and drilling skins should have replaced the two 500cc chapter rewards
and we should have got REAL rewards for the weekly
prime pine
Imagine instead of just a single skin for a tow challenge we got a weapon skin box for all weapons.
vestal locust
The ToW earnings is still slightly slow still on earnings no matter how well one does..
prime pine
Or a voucher
solid hinge
I hope it doesn't replicate swbf2 completely, they've shafted everything that isnt clone wars
prime pine
Actually
Imagine earning a weapon skin voucher we can spend for a weapon box worth of skins
So
You earn it and you can buy a white tiger skin box. And or you can buy them in the store for 20 dollars. The vouchers.
Ugh im rambling on again. Am i making sense?
mint creek
I cant wait for the bar mainly. I dont give a single shit about any of the lmgs which as a support player for years makes me sad. I've used the 42/34 almost exclusively since launch because I just dont care about or like the current lmgs
I kinda see what you are getting at
fiery pier
Ur going to be waiting whole while for the bar
mint creek
Oh I know
prime pine
Aight. So a voucher allows us to buy a selected skin box which will contain a specific skin for all the weapons.
mint creek
Bold of you to assume they'd give us something they could make money off of
prime pine
I can use the voucher on a white tiger skin box which will unlock white tiger on all of my owned weapons.
And someome else can spend their voucher on a desert rat skin box if they so please.
solid hinge
I like that as a concept
I also like the Lewis as an lmg but I wish there were more big mag lmgs
we have more lmgs with under 30 ammo than with more
prime pine
They nerfed the bren to oblivion so its no longer good.
solid hinge
bren honest to god barely feels more accurate than the lewis while having significantly less bullets and fire rate and that ugly 3x scope
vestal locust
Garand or the M2 Carbine would be a nice release to hold people over atm.... or the 1919 😏
solid hinge
maybe it's way better on pc
prime pine
Lewis is just better in every way
solid hinge
They wont release any American weapons until Pacific probably
vestal locust
Sadly
prime pine
Im going to sleep.... Night.
mint creek
The 1919 is my baby. I just want the bar to have an lmg I like
vestal locust
Auf Wiedersehen
mint creek
Cause the 1919 is most definitely gonna be a mmg
solid hinge
nuhnite bodie
vestal locust
Send some.30 down range to fill the enemy with lead. Slow fire yet hope it hits slightly harder
mint creek
Not related to battlefield specifically but playing the last tiger for the skin just reminded me of it. Does anyone else find it crazy that if Germany had better means of production it would've been legitimately possible for them to win ww2? Like, imagine if they had the production capability of America with things like the mg42 and the tigers at their disposal.
icy sluice
Some people are hoping it's 1200
mint creek
1200 what?
stoic breach
1919 is an MMG
There's gameplay of it
Unless its not the same weapon I'm thinking of
mint creek
As it should be
I did all the challenges and letters in the last tiger. Where the fuck is my skin
Let me guess. There's a bug with the actually being rewarded the skin?
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gray glade
you can always ignore it and pray they fix the bug sometime in the future
formal valve
I completed all challenges in the last tiger the day it came out
mint creek
How long has it been in the game?
icy sluice
Since the release of The Last Tiger
formal valve
Took me 8 months before I contacted to get the skin
icy sluice
So like a couple of weeks in
mint creek
Holy shit dice
sonic rampart
@mint creek had the Same
icy sluice
I think the fix of it is low priority considering how many people even play the war story
mint creek
Alot of people probably played it solely for the skin
Though the last tiger actually was a decent story
sonic rampart
‘We cant see it’
formal valve
My friend was given the wrong skin!!
icy sluice
Less than 4% I think
formal valve
He contacted them to get the Last Tiger skin
mint creek
I'm not even going to bother then
icy sluice
They do prioritize bugs based on severity
formal valve
And they gave him a common skin for the Churchill called “tiger pattern”
sonic rampart
So now I dont have the medals, dogtags and the most important the epic rewards of the stories
Even tho I wasted so many hours into it
Cause I first did it on hardcore
icy sluice
I got it on my second try
vestal locust
Was meant to be removed from the stories and become purchasable only by boins 😏
icy sluice
no lol
sonic rampart
I cant even redo it
formal valve
sonic rampart
Cause it says that its completed
vestal locust
I cry at that thought...
icy sluice
You can delete your save and retry it, it usually works if it's in the same session
Only thing wrong with that is that you have to write down your settings and put them back on
Deleting your save will do NOTHING to Multiplayer Progress
All Multiplayer Progress is on the DICE Cloud whatever
Your save only has the settings and War Story Progression
sonic rampart
That sucks tho
formal valve
Dice dice dice smh
sonic rampart
Cause I have to put it on a USB or something
Bc too much effort while its supposed to work
formal valve
👏Fixa👏ya👏game👏
icy sluice
It's just low priority for them, they're focusing much much more on Multiplayer glitches and bugs ¯_(ツ)_/¯
formal valve
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid hinge
fixes stuttering issue by making the game crash
formal valve
short pecan
gives you 2 new elites
icy sluice
Well, that's the artist team, not the bugfixing team.
icy sluice
lol
short pecan
it isnt about which team is responsible for which kind of content but rather about priorities
the actual dev team seems to lack the resources while the art team has no such problems apparently
solid hinge
it's like the recon problem
they have 25 members in the art team with only 3 bug fixers
the game imitates reality
short pecan
oh really? dang
icy sluice
That's just an estimation lol
solid hinge
I have no idea but I was in a match with over 20 assaults and 3 medics earlier
short pecan
ah i get what you mean
icy sluice
Fuck, I need coffee atm lol
short pecan
the QA team seems to be non-existent as well
solid hinge
..it does feel like only 3 bug fixers though
I genuinely cant believe they have a QA team at all with the sheer amount of bugs
short pecan
yeah
icy sluice
It does seem like they're actually doing their job with Al Sundan lol
solid hinge
i really love that the only update we've had is that they still cant remove the blob
short pecan
blob?
solid hinge
I think braddock said a while back that they fixed the crashing issues on al sundan but it had the side effect of introducing a large black blob in the middle of the map
short pecan
lol
solid hinge
Whats a "blob"
I think they called it an artificing issue
er
I cant remember the word
formal valve
That same issue seems to appear on other maps in the game now and then
bronze grotto
is the crocodile intended to have bad vertical traverse rate for the turret
short pecan
also first person view in the StuG bugs out sometimes
solid hinge
The only updates we ever get on it is that they're still working to remove the blob
short pecan
you just cant see stuff
solid hinge
The croc has weird vertical speed
solid hinge
Archer used to get first person issues as well but I think they sorted that out
Poor stug
No love
solid hinge
If it needs another person just to function at basic tank level then it's no good
the archer is so much better
bronze grotto
just change the stug into the stuh or something
differentiate from panzer 4 by having long 75 standard, upgrade turns it to 105mm gun stuh 42
slightly faster reload copy of churchill 95
icy sluice
The Stuh
bronze grotto
faster reload to compensate for still no turret lmao
and maybe make the remote mg driver only
mint creek
Got my skin first try. Hell yeah
bronze grotto
did dice ever change assignment requirements or fix the wrong text on their assignments lol
gloomy kraken
I finally figured out what was wrong it the PIATs minimap reticle, it shows the location incorrectly but the distance number under is correct, so the number could be 100m but the reticle is just 70m and when you fire it the reticle jumps to the correct location for a split second.
hoary condor
ToW done 😃
solid hinge
@hoary condor rank 40 or the arditi dagger?
Cant wait to kill american soldiers 😤 👌 😂
You can in the last tiger
gray glade
indeed, wanna kill those capitalist americans
for trying to spread their freedom all over the world
hoary condor
the dagger
solid hinge
Same got it yesterday and became rank 40 2 days ago
hoary condor
nice
solid hinge
Forced myself to play squad conquest in order to complete the chapter xp assignment
opmg this gme ia so sit
hahaa
fuc
hoary condor
nice spelling
solid hinge
gray glade
playing squad conquest 🤢
gray glade
the lesser of two evils i guess
solid hinge
hsh bro
liek yeah bro
@hoary condor hey bro I had liek haf botte of vodka hey bro
whyu like thisg ame bro
it;s a dishrace sucaha shame smh
cold trail
Quit posting nonsense please.
prime pine
Bad time to wake up kek
short pecan
@solid hinge what ToW rank are you?
prime pine
Back to sleep kek
solid hinge
You've only been asleep an hour!! Back to lala land
Like.. 26 or something
Havent been playing nearly as much
short pecan
i see
solid hinge
It also feels like it's been going up slower than before though
upper plank
short pecan
im not sure if thats true though
short pecan
like this week for example had very few
solid hinge
I can't even proces what shappening rn
lol
hahaa dop
surry i'll go to onon battle field chat
lub u guys 😍
prime pine
My sleep is bad ayla.
formal valve
I didn’t buy the deluxe
prime pine
Also they've deliberately handicapped us so we buy boosters.
coral fiber
prime pine
Still just as bad!
formal valve
It was for the early access tho so I could meme on my friend
prime pine
Kek.
icy sluice
What week are we in?
short pecan
idk i havent bought anything and am 31
prime pine
Ive been rank 40 for 2 weeks.
coral fiber
Ch lvl 30 rn
prime pine
Okay now im really going to sleep. Goodbye.
short pecan
i heard that frontlines is a good way to gain chapter xp, whats up with that?
icy sluice
We're in week 6... out of like... week what?
formal valve
12
icy sluice
12 weeks?
formal valve
And we have two more weeks before we get another weapon
coral fiber
I want more weapons
coral fiber
I don't mind that one
icy sluice
More Pistol Carbines are good
coral fiber
I've used that in bf1 just to troll people with it
dusky badge
Died to a bushcamper in fs again -_-
short pecan
with the lack of weapons in this game i'm glad about anything we get even if its reused
solid hinge
I hope its noticeably different to the p08
if it ends up being super similar like all the other weapons I'll cry
bronze grotto
bring back the repetier pistole assault version
coral fiber
The panzebusche got my attention tho
It's like a german anti tank martini
bronze grotto
1000rpm automatic pistol lul
upper plank
The game is in dire need of optimization.
coral fiber
4.4 patch tho got me kinda excited for the game
upper plank
Not me.
I've got an i7 4790k and a GTX 1080. Can't even get a solid 60FPS mixed medium and high.
coral fiber
Lvl cap 500
2 nee close quarter maps
Possibly al sundan netcode fixes/hit reg ui fix
solid hinge
from what they've said so far it sounds like the 4.2 patch and the 4.4 patch together are smaller than the patches we used to get
not to mention we've been waiting for those bug fixes for MONTHS
solid hinge
It's a little frustrating
coral fiber
4.3 is invisible for anyone wondering
;)
Freeman confirmed it
coral fiber
Pretty much yeah haha
coral fiber
Pretty much tbh
icy sluice
Still plays better
coral fiber
Runs better than it did before for me atleast
No crashing, freezing, stutters anymore
Thank god
icy sluice
I have experienced one crash in my 500 hours or so
coral fiber
Now i just want netcode fixes
I've only experience like 2 or 3 with the 340+ hrs i have
upper plank
I have experienced so many performance problems, I think 69GB of horse porn would be a better use for my storage.
icy sluice
1 stutter and 1 crash in 530 hours
coral fiber
1 stutter from a couple of months ago
When performance was shite
coral fiber
Dem beacons don't like you
upper plank
Plus this shit. https://youtu.be/tFWEDsfvhHo
coral fiber
I guess "games plays best on xbox one" is temporary for now
icy sluice
Looks like bad ping and server was experiencing problems
Server problems rarely, rarely happen
icy sluice
Yeah on the right side it's showing that the server is experiencing problems
The game is warning you about it
coral fiber
upper plank
Meanwhile Apex: code:leaf
coral fiber
Different symbols during a match
upper plank
So when does someone become a regular?
uneven oxide
Never
formal valve
I don’t think I ever will lmao
marble phoenix
If I did, you can too
formal valve
I’m probably on some watchlist
marble phoenix
I meant to put quotes on that
coral fiber
Why have it tho
marble phoenix
Seniority
formal valve
Because it usually devolves into a screeching contest when I hop in
coral fiber
Lol
latent dagger
fix the game please ty EA and DICE
marble phoenix
More bugs showing up?
coral fiber
Haven't experienced any new bugs...
Anyone else?
upper plank
Horrible FPS drops for me.
coral fiber
Jeez pc is havin the worse rn
latent dagger
yep
formal valve
I’m gonna try and stop being a lunatic on the server lol
coral fiber
laughs in console for now
formal valve
I haven’t experienced any bugs really
uneven oxide
I haven’t had any serious bugs, just the game crashes sometimes and it’s extremely loud when it does
latent dagger
its not a bug , its an ISSUE .... big issue
the game feel so crap , even if i have 130 , feels like 60 frames
latent dagger
i know there is problem between new Windows 10 1903 and the game
idk what the problem is but its bad
coral fiber
Yes indeed fixes for performance are coming
latent dagger
when it coming?
coral fiber
Late august
latent dagger
coral fiber
Hopefully in 3 weeks? Idk
hoary condor
coral fiber
Maybe the week before august ends?
But idk
latent dagger
where u see the Notes for the update?
solid hinge
64v64 grand ops 🤤
vestal locust
Took the survey that Westin told of in a vid... feel like I wrote a small thesis. Which will likely just fall on deaf ears and be seen as a “they want more boin cosmetics” lol
hoary condor
squads with randoms 
vestal locust
And I said yes to more gadgets such as mortar to break stalemate defensive lines around an objective. Want to yell “rounds complete” at my squad leader lol
So that actually tied into with more immersive gritty experience... lot of typing
feral grotto
today was a good day, 10 games on 5 diff servers with 4 diff cheaters 
latent dagger
vestal locust
Happy I play console at times... I feel bad for pc dealing with that crap
uneven oxide
Loving/Hating the Lewis Gun. Love using it, hate getting killed by it.
feral grotto
i swear, ever since that westie guy did a video about hackers, the number of hackers i've seen increased from 1 to too much
coral fiber
Y'all should feel bad for that asian side of the playerbase
vestal locust
Are you talking about the one where it had the video evidence… Or I’m thinking of another YouTuber
upper plank
I think the game should be humanely euthanized.
coral fiber
Asian servers are a wreck rn and i truly feel bad for them
Can't even get into a game and enjoy it
feral grotto
doesn't matter which youtuber..
its a guy some of the community follow and he gladly share the fact on how easy it is to hack and bla bla
and suddenly
more of them shows up
and i'll start feel sorry for the asian side of the playerbase when it won't affect me
gray glade
i've seen the asian cheaters in europe occasionally
upper plank
tribal cairn
Y'know, soon as Insurgency Sandstorm comes out for consoles, I'm switching
icy sluice
k.
native mural
Ikr
upper plank
Only companies that I trust right now are Nintendo and CD Projekt.
tribal cairn
One of the companies I trust at the moment is Fromsoftware
upper plank
Only reason why EA won't put games on the Switch is because it's not a device that would work well with their "Live Service" scheme.
I mean Serkiro was published by Activision. At least they didn't put any shitty microtransactions in it.
icy sluice
There's no trusting any company.
tribal cairn
That is true, but you can at least know who to prefer over another
icy sluice
Hell, can't even trust Ubisoft.
upper plank
At least Nintendo and CD Projekt aren't trying to nickel and dime you with every game they release.
icy sluice
Nintendo can't really get online stuff right
Also are really, really behind on the times
upper plank
Mhm. Probably for the better.
icy sluice
They're good at making games but business-logic wise are not good at all
At least they're improving
upper plank
EA is shit at making games and even worse at business.
icy sluice
Eh.
upper plank
I miss Maxis.
tribal cairn
It's the lowest they stooped
upper plank
I hate them all the same.
tribal cairn
Let's be honest, that's why I love TF2 so much
icy sluice
As long as it's just cosmetic, I don't mind
tribal cairn
There is no buying the advantage
icy sluice
If it's p2w, fuck you.
upper plank
I think that microtransactions shouldn't exist and that the premium model would be a better way of doing things.
icy sluice
I understand a Battle Pass sort of implementation would be... better I guess
tribal cairn
Imagine if someone made a P2L game, where anything you buy is significantly worse than what you start off with
icy sluice
Premium when it comes to map content and all that does split the playerbase a fuckton, more than people really think
sand coral
my friend is a fortnite pro 
icy sluice
k.
tribal cairn
Good for him?