played firestorm for the first time ina while, that mode is boring
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
got awkward balancing
Is it me or did they add some new stuff to BF1
they added artillery strikes and spawn beacons...?
icy sluice
@solid hinge Infiltrator Elite Class that came with The Turning Tides DLC
icy sluice
On Destroyers?
icy sluice
Yeah also been a thing
solid hinge
artillery strikes though?
icy sluice
Infiltrator elite
stone remnant
Dude i was a bombing boat when fighting the dreadnaught destroyer
icy sluice
solid hinge
also heigoland bight is really fun
stone remnant
As in me and a few frienes would straight up go on a bombing raid against the boat
solid hinge
so many cool naval battles
icy sluice
I never even played on that map
solid hinge
has fun spots for infantry
stone remnant
Very rarely did i get to play on that map
icy sluice
Yeah that's the problem with Premium Split
I haven't touched every map in 1, even though I had Premium since ITNOTT
upper plank
https://gamergirlp.ee/i/fsdk.png You can fuck right off.
hazy wasp
i am beogn single shot by every auto weapon tonight
icy sluice
I don't trust that link at all
stone remnant
I got all the dlcs for free thanks to the limited time 100 percent off
topaz dome
fren gets me off of bfv to play something, frendo has issue with his sound, fren has to go after making me wait 30+ minutes to try and fix sound, me go play bfv
upper plank
It's safe, don't worry.
hazy wasp
yeah
its basically like im being headshot by a bolt ebvery death
its super unfun
0 time to react to incoming fire even though i fire first
icy sluice
@upper plank I bought it 
hazy wasp
so fuck it ima fire up titanfall 2
upper plank
You're a loony.
icy sluice
They're both nice to play as
(Yes, I know third time posting this)
And look nice
https://streamable.com/ggje5
( If it's a problem with mods, just tell me and I will delete and not post again )
lilac pivot
Guys? One guy can help me? I have a problem with my driver i cant start Battlefield.
lilac pivot
And that help`?
icy sluice
If that don't work, I suggest contacting support.
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icy sluice
!!support
soft storm
Yes
lilac pivot
Ok Thanks guys ^^
solid hinge
Does Origin Access give all the DLC the game has?
icy sluice
Premier most likely does
topaz dome
bfv has no dlc
topaz dome
everything is included
except microtransactions
no premium, no exapnsion packs to buy
stone remnant
DLCs don't have to require one to pay in order to be called DLC
coarse thunder
I just call everything separate from the base game dlc
stone remnant
Same
topaz dome
I call anything dlc if it is listed separate from the game
sonic rampart
topaz dome
by the client
fleet bloom
i don't like this map, seems like the germans win everytime on conquest 
fleet bloom
the new one
solid hinge
Isle is maiwaifu
stone remnant
I won as the Allies 2 times i played it
Though one round was breakthrough
Apophis... ILSE would use psychological warfare to strike fear into the enemy... She's my favorite German in the form of horror movie character ever!
I'd buy her, but I kinda need to save money for college :P
solid hinge
i feel like the bf5 menu is a downgrade from bf1
stone remnant
Lol i could see that
solid hinge
Ill probably get her she got that badass name with that badass outfit
stone remnant
Indeed, but like i said i gotta save or I'd definitely without a doubt buy her
solid hinge
lmao
stone remnant
I'm with Apophis on her being a crazy Waifu
stone remnant
Also ILSE does also look like a female version of BF1's trench raider
And i love playing as the trench raider
stone remnant
Exactly
Well aside from sentry
I only like that class because of the war stories
solid hinge
having the best revolver and that medic crate
south shell
Hi
topaz dome
yo
cosmic stream
broken stag
Honestly.
Bring back premium.
And have the bf4 style of loot box.
No other microtransactions.
Apart from the stupid random shit like kit unlocks.
Which don't really give much an advantage.
iron apex
first thing I see in the channel is something I've said since launch.
love it here already
broken stag
Bf4 was perfect with their loot boxes.
You get one every level.
And that's that.
Bronze, silver, and gold.
Higher the level you get to, the better the box.
Simplifies it, and makes the progression through them feel meaningfull.
Especially with the gun specific ones.
iron apex
BF4 progression was better than anything we've had since imo
broken stag
You use a gun a bunch? Boom. Here's a specialized one.
Or go with Bf3s progression.
Which is a shit ton of challenges.
You choose the challenges you wanna do, and get them done.
Simple
drifting marsh
coarse thunder
Further evidence that my conspiracy theory gathers hold
Alright let's see how these elite videos are
Wait I need my Australian tier internet to copy the update file first
This game better be like 200 gb after how many updates it has to go through
feral grotto
jesus.. how do people using the AT BOYS ... and then keep playing with it?
trying to level up all the guns i dont use to 10.. its so damn boring to use that rifle -__-"
twin current
How's the new map?
stoic breach
People use the Boys because its a good minmax weapon
stoic breach
Its even more fun if you dont camp with it
Camping isnt good for minmaxing it
Its like aggressive MMG, but the tank damage is actually useful
prime pine
I do know of a dirty spot for it on twisted steel breakthrough
stoic breach
Even on twisted steel breakthrough, on the bridge if you constantly pop flares they cant hide anywhere
prime pine
Playing as the germans. On the second sector. You can climb up on one of the parts of the bridge. Cause its within the OHKO range of the gun.
You can shorten out the machine gunners. Paving the way for your teammates.
They deal with the assaults and medics. You deal with unsuspecting snipers and supports.
I have true respect for people playing with mmg's the way they're supposed to. I have non for those who hide in the corners laying on their backs expecting easy kills. I understand the desperation. But it makes them seem pathetic.
warm atlas
So basically the last MG34 mastery means “get 20 bipod kills on ENEMY objectives in one game” as opposed to “on objectives” makes sense
stone remnant
There be times i treat MMGs like real life... Slow but useful
solid hinge
What are the best specializations for the Panzer IV?
stone remnant
Instead of bomb rushing and Rambo everything
stoic breach
Visibility wouldnt be as bad with 3D spotting
solid hinge
@solid hinge build it for either full anti tank or full anti infantry
stoic breach
But the entire colour palette of the game is fucked
solid hinge
the default gun sucks vs tanks but is really good vs infantry
the "upgraded" cannon is good vs tanks but sucks vs infantry
stoic breach
@solid hinge using the infinite healing engineer strat and anchoring near a resupply, you can kill everything with the Panzer IV
solid hinge
That's mean
steel agate
I was able to hit pilots directly while on the rear gun and shooting enemy planes.
Never killed them though
coral fiber
@icy sluice
Wait a minute
Was it in hamada
Near the G flag
icy sluice
I got all the pilots in the server so mad they all tried killing me at once
@coral fiber Panzerstorm
icy sluice
A JU-88A Crash landed on me and died on my back while a Stuka B-2 finished what the bomber did
stone remnant
I have ticked off a whole team once because i was good at pinpointing shots with an Artillery cannon... I forgot exactly what it's called
icy sluice
All while there were 4 AA guns on the map and two Flakpanzers
ivory storm
For assualt, what do yall feel is top weapons/loadouts? Assualt has always been my favorite, behind Medic.
prime pine
Oh i keep on getting these dirty sprays
With the mosquito
Also
Support with fg42
Cant go wrong with that
ivory storm
Word. I'm really low level with support and sniper lol. Is the STG still good for assualt??
stone remnant
STG is good yeah
ivory acorn
Anyone wanna play? Ps4
stone remnant
Though i kinda like the Sturmgewehr
iron apex
I'm working my way up support aftert being max on Xbox. its rough out here grinding again
prime pine
Stg is good for assault
And a good early support weapon is the ls26
Or ke7 if you so dare
icy sluice
Turner SMLE with big mag is good but the reloading can kill
stoic breach
KE7 is just every LMG but worse
stoic breach
Now that you can buy the LS26 theres physically no reason to use the KE7
prime pine
Ke7 is a good aggressive lmg. But i would advise against it when there are more worthwhile options
topaz dome
it's rof is the best for lmgs I think
iron apex
I already hate the new map
formal rampart
I think it’s a good new map
gray saffron
i always hate new maps. it's when i start learning it and get the flow behind it, it becomes more fun ;D
iron apex
I seem zero redeeming things about this so far other than the fact I can take a break every 30 second to drink something
gray saffron
was it breakthrough?
icy sluice
I did that headslam kill animation on someone as Ilse
iron apex
conquest
every time I spawn in, the enemies are behind us, I feel zero semblance of a front line area at all, which is weird on a map that seemingly has one lane
formal rampart
There is too much bugs in bfv for example invisible soldier and being stuck at the spawn point lol
solid hinge
Think they will add Aleutian battles after the pacific theater comes out?
solid hinge
Cause if they like unknown battles then that would be pretty good for a unknown battle
grand haven
DICE has said it doesn't even know what will happen after Chapter 5. It will all depend on how it goes.
gray saffron
aleuti-what?
solid hinge
Exactly
The Aleutian Islands are a chain of islands in alaska and was the only time the axis powers touched American soil
Also the closet landform that Japan has to America
gray saffron
that sounds pretty cool
strong parrot
uhhh wtf game
gray saffron
i kinda feel they're going off their initial idea of using unknown battles only though, considering we're getting iwo jima with pacific.
strong parrot
i damn near just killed 50 people myself last match
and my squad prob had close to 30 more....but the kill 50 assignment for the mask isnt tracking??
short pecan
what mask?
strong parrot
the ToW thing
short pecan
oh
strong parrot
the final assignment this week
as a squad kill or down 50 people
literally almost killed 50 myself last match...but its like just over a quarter filled.....
holy shit
short pecan
i think you have to be in proximity to your squadmates or something
strong parrot
no doubt....shame i didnt play for the last couple days but the moment i want to finish this up 
gray saffron
i think i did it on squad conquest and tracked fine there. but there cases in earlier ToW where assignments would randomely stop tracking
or maybe you're doing too many kills ;D
solid hinge
Is this game mainly official servers and like queuing up to play a match, or is it more custom hosted servers with nice little communities and clans and things that I'm nostalgic for?
rich ember
It's official servers, apparently the RSP is coming back at some point later.
honestly i feel like the idea is a bit overrated and is not worth having without a way to appeal unjustified bans.
strong parrot
lmao fucking joined a marita game on breakthrough ...we capped the first sector
then the team goes full on fucking drooling stupid and wont even get near the next 2 flags
gray saffron
is it the bridge sector?
solid hinge
Ok but what is RSP? Google just gave joke names 😛
gray saffron
cause that's notoriously hard to get
strong parrot
meanwhile i shoot up the team to 2nd place with 14-3 or so.....assignment isnt tracking
rich ember
Rental Server Program
strong parrot
so i just left
fucking waste of god damn time
its the 2 flags before the bridge
literally this team was just sitting outside of the cap zones camping
gray saffron
try another mode aside from marita. might work better
prime pine
KEK thought my controller was wearing down cause i pull the thumbstick real hard slowing down my aircraft
strong parrot
honestly not even going to waste my fucking time trying to get a bugged assignment to work
its only a cosmetic mask
rich ember
that sounds fun
stone remnant
I like the Fortress game mode for BFV... Kinda wish they would make more maps just for that mode (plus bring the mode back permanently)
vapid crater
^
icy sluice
Soon, Private Servers
coral fiber
Yes SOON
stone remnant
It literally was my go to since i liked defending one big epic building from the invaders... Then again i think that's why so many people take an interest in D-Day since the germans were defending the beaches while wave after wave of Allied troops stormed up the beaches
Though D-Day i like the paratroopers in enemy lines
gray saffron
i think most people took an interest in d-day due saving private ryan ;D
rich ember
i've never seen Saving Private Ryan.
stone remnant
^
coarse thunder
People like D-Day because people think if saving pvt ryan and that the Allies were somehow underdogs even though basically everything except the initial bombing worked for them
stone remnant
Too many people died that day
coarse thunder
Plus they were fighting middle aged men who were only half strength
coarse saddle
lol they rand head first in tho bunkers and oncoming firee that shit must of sucked
stone remnant
Lol your logic on that Mint
prime pine
Im loving the mozzie fb
coarse thunder
The first few waves, especially at Omaha and the other beach (forgot its name), went tits up
Other than those 2 the landing itself was rather uneventful
stone remnant
The Paratroopers who went in behind enemy lines must've felt intense because of how it was night and it's kinda hard to tell ally from foe in the dark ya'know
coarse thunder
Well yeah and it was the most major operation in the WTO
rich ember
just has that "War! What is it good for?" song stuck in their head now
i don't know the actual name of that song.
stone remnant
Lol
icy sluice
It's called War
stone remnant
Pacific front for the americans was pretty hectic too
rich ember
@icy sluice this is really helpful
stone remnant
XD
icy sluice
Well that's the name of the song
gray saffron
absolutely nothing, say it again! "war" - edwin starr
rich ember
helpful as always raptor
coarse thunder
War huuuuuhh
solid hinge
Damn Marita is a good map
It has that Locker/Metro feeling
All i want is Al Sundan now
Dice pls
solid hinge
@prime pine fb is the BEST
icy sluice
EEs are made on off-time lol
By the way, I have concluded that the British Naval Dagger is the worst melee in the game
It's a Kukri with knife killing animations
solid hinge
Then its must epic
icy sluice
Making it the most unique melee weapon but it's detection is the worst the game has
solid hinge
Stabbing someone with a large blade
solid hinge
And the stabbing has knife animations?
rocky verge
Use the pickaxe or them shovels
rocky verge
Coup coup?
icy sluice
I just use the British Jack Army Knife for most Allies
Also, I am starting to use the club on Axis
gray saffron
i try to stay consistent with each class. pickaxe/shovel for assault, blunt weapons like clubs/cricketbats for medic, coupecoupes/bigknifies for support and knives for recon ;D
tiny loom
Chapter 4 booster pack is nowhere to be found on PlayStation is this an oversight or was this pack only timed?
icy sluice
I think it was only a timed thing
solid hinge
Lets talk about some depressing stuff, this chapter disappointed me mega hard, and because the next chapter is america, we will see the new german,british tanks after the america patch even tho these tanks are finished and just staying in the files. It would be dumb to put british tanks in the pacific chapter as weekly rewards.
Churhill AVRE, Marder III H, Hummel, Bishop
rocky verge
And Sherman firefly
In the intro mission on the part where you are in the Netherlands
solid hinge
VC firefly is just a weird lookin Jumbo
rocky verge
@solid hinge yeah I remember someone pointing it out for when they showed all the tanks (think for firestorm or multiplayer) where it had a panther
solid hinge
They will make 3 chassises
Is that a word
Lmfao
Light tank
Medium tank
Heavy tank
And will just change the turrets
rocky verge
solid hinge
Why is it still that even when you switch factions your class loudout is the same?
Its breaking my immersion
New tanks =
Marder III H = PZ 38t chassis
Hummel = PZ 4 chassis
Churchil avre = WHAT DO YOU THINK
Bishop = Valentine chassis
stone remnant
Bishop is cool yeah
mystic wolf
Ilse looks like something out of Star Wars..
gray saffron
you can switch that off @solid hinge
gray saffron
it used to be off at launch, but people complained so they added a feature called settings -> gameplay -> basic loadout mirroring @solid hinge
solid hinge
I love getting pounded in the ass
glossy locust
did the game just crash
solid hinge
We r getting heavy bombers too
glossy locust
can't get online
solid hinge
Im gonna abuse them so fucking hard
Dammit
@gray saffron thanks
So
Here's my thoughts
Battlefield games tend to run a course of 3 years-ish?
At least, that was battlefield 1's experience.
So, my thought process is, once they're done with the pacific, they'll wait maybe 6 months, and then release the RUSSIAN/COMMUNIST DLC
Maybe call it "eternal winter" or "The ocean of blood" or some shit like that
stone remnant
Or just western front
glossy locust
they can't seriously have a ww2 game without both stalingrad and d day can they
they probably won't come back to ww2 for another 10-15 years
solid hinge
They've gone with "Awakening the giant" for the symbolism of america joining the war effort of WW2. And you think they're gonna call the russian DLC "The western front"?!
icy sluice
I assume this game will have a longer lifespan
gray saffron
red orchestra 2 didn't have dday..or brothers in arms. ;D
solid hinge
Oh yeah.
icy sluice
CoD WWII technically only had 1 front
glossy locust
ok again it's battlefield
gray saffron
most ww2 games focus on one front. the liberation of europe, the western front, the pacific. three at the same times wasn't that common i think
outer sundial
@icy sluice Ay I really hope so in regards to your lifespan comment
glossy locust
BF1 covered every major battle basically
stone remnant
BFV is the battles that went unnoticed
Or at least that's what they're trying to go for
outer sundial
What do y’all think Chapter 6 is gonna be?
formal valve
More pacific
stone remnant
^
outer sundial
That would fine by me haha
glossy locust
well they gonna have pacific without wake islamd or iwo jima?
stone remnant
Probably
outer sundial
The Pacific is honestly my favourite haha
stone remnant
They could make it happen if they wanted Bryjoe
formal valve
Iwo Jima is already confirmed
gray saffron
i think they kinda departed from that vision . since iwo jima is included
outer sundial
Wake Island is an absolute must
stone remnant
Like think about it, they don't even have Dunkirk for the Eastern front
And you'd think they'd have that in there
Even if it's as a breakthrough map
solid hinge
"What's chapter 6 gonna be?"
"More pacific"
formal valve
Since it’s coming with a beach landing mode, my guess for the three maps besides Iwo Jima are Tarwana, and The invasion of The Philippines (from 1942, cuz there’s a peace of concept art that looks similar)
outer sundial
I honestly have no problem with more pacific
gray saffron
on the other hand you had arras, where the first army tried to hold off the germans. the same army that helped defending the brits at dunkirk 😄
solid hinge
"We're proud to pronounce... 'Chapter 6: Two wasn't enough'"
outer sundial
formal valve
They said in 2020 they will expand on the pacific
So chapter 6 is probably more of it
outer sundial
👌
gray saffron
i'd say it's first pacific. then fall of europe with usa against germans battles, then the eastern front introducing the soviets that ends with the soviets vs germans in berlin
outer sundial
Battle of Midway anyone? 
gray saffron
well yeah, but they counterattacked to break through the spearhead of the germans. they fortified arras etc. the goal was to slow the advancement down and to frustrate them
formal valve
What
rich ember
was trying to make a sarcastic statement but apparently the name of a prominent german figure is blacklisted so i guess i won't
formal valve
Hurler?
rich ember
yes
formal valve
Yeah he’s blacklisted
uneven oxide
Are other prominent German figures blacklisted?
formal valve
Idk
uneven oxide
Himmler?
formal valve
Model
uneven oxide
Rommel?
gray saffron
er es wieder da was a nice what-if movie about him. he gets sent to the present and everyone thinks he's a comedian
formal valve
Lol
I mean not surprising, they use a quote from him in BFV but don’t credit him with saying it
formal valve
At the end of the last tiger
rich ember
except this statement, apparently
steel agate
In the game I mean
gray saffron
i hate that so much. i use "uhh" a lot and it gets censored ingame 😦
steel agate
yeah
steel agate
Like if you say "sandwichh"
visual blade
It’s not an opinion it’s a fact lol
steel agate
CENSORED!
steel agate
That sucks if your name has 2 h's in it
imagine someone trying to get your attention lol
rich ember
Honestly should just do it the BF4 censor way and only block like, slurs, and just permaban for offenses.
gray saffron
I get it though. battalion 1944 before the chatcensor was atrocious xD just people calling other people names the whole flippin' match
rich ember
Honestly i would trade that for not having the hide the chat because someone feels like being edgy
gray saffron
atleast people get creative with namecalling if there is a censor. i've seen some funny swears because of it.
steel agate
Is "hh" censored because it stands for "heil xitler"?
eternal apex
AA players are toxic
uneven oxide
I think so
gray saffron
yes
rich ember
could be
steel agate
That's so dumb... do people actually use that in some sort of under the radar sort of way?
rich ember
i would imagine they did at the time
gray saffron
probably
steel agate
I've never seen that used in game in BF
formal valve
But what if you mean Hail Hydra?
steel agate
In previous titles that is
gray saffron
i mean, people instantly start to throw around axis sentences in firestorm voicechat ;D
rich ember
isn't Hydra just Marvel Nazis
steel agate
People use those axis words and such as a meme now
Sort of like the Streisand effect
steel agate
If you guys know what the Streisand effect is
formal valve
We don’t say “axis” anymore you ignorant buffoon
We say “red team”
That’s the PC name
gray saffron
but red team is soviet 😦
formal valve
steel agate
red team could also be the allies
steel agate
I'm not a fan of the censor, I asked EA to put up a mute function and they actually added it
but left the censor in
😦
rich ember
I still feel like the BF4 Community Server way of doing it is the best
steel agate
Some bad players really do need to be scolded... I care more about bad actions than bad words in an MA rated game.
rich ember
Only ban slurs, if you say 'em, you're gone. Do not pass go, do not collect $200
gray saffron
wait, where do you get 200 if you swear?
rich ember
i'm joking.
formal valve
Why censor anything
rich ember
well about that
formal valve
Just let people be people
rich ember
not about the rest of it
gray saffron
people ain't people if they hide behind fake names 😦
rich ember
why use that as justification for allowing people to be pricks on the internet tho.
formal valve
Idk
rich ember
You should know, you said it.
steel agate
We should be able to scold that one useless noob sniper who does nothing when the team is going back and forth on the last cap to win the game
formal valve
Yeah
gray saffron
they can be mechacursingedgelord if want, since no one will say: hey.. john. that's not right, bro.
steel agate
Bad actions are worse than bad words
snipers make a lot of bad actions
scold them... we already allow in game murdering
gray saffron
you can still scold him. with constructive criticism. much better than saying hey monkey, get out off that tree.
steel agate
I want to drive it home so that it sticks in their minds and they actually do it
steel agate
Like collective team shaming
gray saffron
kindness kills harder than meaniness imo
gray saffron
on the virtual battlefield yes. i remember the people that were helpful more than the ones that just called me names. xD
coarse thunder
Kindness in battlefield means you have been rendered mentally unfit to keep playing
steel agate
lol 😛
yes it's a video game, but snipers who don't help the team and are really bad at sniping (e.g. 1-20 kd) should practice sniping on conquest
stoic breach
If sniping was useful it would be worth practicing
steel agate
In the right hands, sniping is very effective. But everyone thinks they play like Stodeh
It's like they only remember the few kills they get and delete the memories of all of the missed shots
stoic breach
Sniping is effective while using the ZH29/1906
rich ember
Eh, someone else made the comment that sniping is high risk/no reward, and i'm inclined to believe that.
stoic breach
Its barely rewarding
steel agate
It's the headshot sound
steel agate
Get rid of that sound for snipers
rich ember
that's a great reward
steel agate
it's actually quite satisfying
I saw a dude get 5 headshots with one sniper shot. Crazy
gray saffron
Nice.
coarse thunder
No one should be anything other than medic on breakthrough
steel agate
Or support MG
gray saffron
recons are still useful though. flaregun is OP :3
steel agate
On Marita second sector as Defenders, if you play as support with an MG, your KDR will jump
rich ember
i guess, but sniping isn't
steel agate
Flare gun on Fortress and Grind is super OP
You will get first place by doing that, easily
gray saffron
with a ptfo gun it works. but yeah, most just snipe and no flares/spotting scope.
steel agate
That's why I like the P08 carbine
I still can't believe they buffed that gun
a second time
gray saffron
yeah, it was already quite good XD
solid hinge
Those moments when you join a conquest game and the enemy team has every single objective because all of your team is playing recon
vague bay
You mean every game?
solid hinge
And all you can do is sigh and watch the respawns tick to 0
stoic breach
Nice
steel agate
Yeah almost every game I see teams that have like 1/3 or more snipers, that's why I advocate a #SniperCap
Start with just 8 snipers only, but even that is too high IMHO
steel agate
Yes there are players playing BF4 on PC @worthy mason
gray saffron
bf4 stats says 3,843 are online
stoic breach
Player snipers wouldnt be bad if sniping was good in BFV
worthy mason
How do you know this?
gray saffron
i just googled bf4 stats ;D
stoic breach
Like, everyone wants to be the recon hero
steel agate
Chris Kyle wannabes lol
worthy mason
Except the guy c4ing everything
rich ember
why would you limit Recon to Level 50? At that point, you'd just have a lot of high ranks who don't know how Recon works because they literally can't play it and there's no good way to learn how to play it effectively.
gray saffron
snipin' feels great in bfv. i never could get into it in the previous ones, but in bfv it clicked for me
worthy mason
Click away
solid hinge
Most BFV snipers are bad not because sniping is bad in BFV
stoic breach
Because its satisfying to get a single fast kill with a shitty weapon
solid hinge
But because they’re bad in general
stoic breach
No
steel agate
Dude, shotties in CQB, one shot kill
stoic breach
Shotguns in BFV are still weak
steel agate
The thing is, they're bad with shotties too
stoic breach
And the random pellet spread basically makes shotgun kills RNG
You're most likely to get a kill but sometimes you wont
steel agate
they get outgunned and out maneuvered, so they like to stay at a far distance to eliminate the risk of death, except by other snipers
solid hinge
Believe BF1 had plenty of snipers who sat prone across the maps and couldn’t hit shit
gray saffron
most snipers i see are terrible at positioning themselves. lie in a location where they have no overview on important capture points. and worst part is that they don't move after a few kills. they're just gonna get themselves killed since now a few people know exactly where they lie.
solid hinge
Positioning is the #1 most important part of sniping
steel agate
Watch the video in the link
worthy mason
With my luck I’d purchase BF4 and servers would go down tomorrow
steel agate
All of those snipers not PTFOing and missing shots
gray saffron
that's on xbox though
solid hinge
I love bfv sniping because thier will be so many campers on breakthrough on the defending team so i just have to switch behind 3 pieces of cover and I get so many kills
gray saffron
doubt it. most of the more popular servers are hosted by community stuff
solid hinge
Gotten many a angry comment on that
stoic breach
Bolt actions in BFV are only good against dogshit players
gray saffron
so you should be fine with bf4
steel agate
I counted 50 missed sniper shots from several snipers in that video
solid hinge
@stoic breach oi
stoic breach
And alot of people who use them are also dogshit at playing the game
Not all
But when 60% of the team is recon bolt
solid hinge
@stoic breachOI
stoic breach
solid hinge
You shut your self loading rifle ass
Bolt actions can definitely be good against more than dogshit players in the right hands
steel agate
It is satisfying and quite pleasantly easy to kill snipers when you're in a tank
gray saffron
plus still plenty of people prefer to play bf4 over current BFs. and i think those popular youtubers making vids about bf4 keeps the game a bit more alive as well. @worthy mason
steel agate
I seek snipers out whenever I get in a tank
stoic breach
But why use a recon bolt when you can use the Tromboncino instead
rich ember
it's really easy to kill anyone when you're in a tank considering it's basically a bullet proof box with a cannon in it
marble echo
battlefield 2
worthy mason
@gray saffron thanks man
stoic breach
If the argument is to hit headshots, just use the Tromboncino to hit headshots faster
solid hinge
It’s satisfying to melee prone snipers with a club
steel agate
Tromb is weaker at distance than recon bolt actions
solid hinge
@rich ember laughs in at launcher
rich ember
@solid hinge i'm sorry i didn't know you couldn't read, i said BULLETproof.
Not EXPLOSIONproof.
stoic breach
Who cares about being weak at distance
If you want distance you use the ZH/1906 for muzzle velocity
Bolt actions dont have the velocity to be good at distance
solid hinge
Cross map Hamada with Kar98
solid hinge
Well if we‘re gonna talk about wasting time...
gray saffron
oh, the abbriv of kilometres is in the blacklist words on discord. weird xD
stoic breach
I would rather get headshots in mid range with the Tromboncino
steel agate
km
stoic breach
Than long range with a supposedly optimised bolt action
solid hinge
Who needs a kar98 when you have a ross rifle
gray saffron
now put a s after it
solid hinge
rich ember
because if you put a scope on it, it's not straight pull for some reason
solid hinge
Your aweful
gray saffron
i use the ross the same way i use my lee enfield. ironsights and up close
steel agate
@gray saffron Because it stands for kill...
topaz dome
did they nerf smoke or something?
gray saffron
ahhh, true. archer.
feral grotto
logic of some people...
some guy going with one of the brits bombers , i kill him over and over..
on the 5th time he called me a plane pussy...
and im like.. dude, your goal is to bomb people with a plane.. you're not any diff -_-"
rich ember
iron sight bolt actions sounds fun in concept but if you're playing against half decent people that's not gonna work
steel agate
We almost need a ton more smoke usage to dissuade players from sniping
Assaults getting smoke grenades then?
mystic wolf
How do I complete the last TOW milestone?.. It doesnt seem to work.
steel agate
I prefer it, I want more smoke
rich ember
might as well just fucking remove recon then if you don't like it being used
gray saffron
two taps or go for headshots. (and bayonet)
steel agate
I play CQB and there can never be enough smoke
solid hinge
Bf1 is just stupid on smokes and i dont want to see more smokes in bfv
The hate mail gets better if you shoot down Pilots with a tank cannon @feral grotto
100% worth
feral grotto
my inbox is full atm tho
steel agate
Give medics one more smoke grenade for the launcher then
mystic wolf
I dont understand how to do this fucking milestone. It's just squad kills. I've done these before. It's fucking broken
feral grotto
the medics can have smoke grenade anyway Archer
solid hinge
How is it broken
feral grotto
beside the smoke grenade launcher
steel agate
Attackers don't have enough smoke in Breakthrough
solid hinge
As in not working
mystic wolf
It doesn't accrue kills
steel agate
It's not enough @feral grotto
crimson trail
Medics should have infinite smoke
feral grotto
its more than enough
steel agate
No it's not, trust me
gray saffron
bmac had the same issue i think, redbeard. assignment might be bugged
solid hinge
Medics should just be a mobile smoke cloud
crimson trail
Facts
solid hinge
With a knife
steel agate
There's not enough smoke, I play lots of games and teams don't throw enough smoke
rich ember
medics are an invisible smoke monster
feral grotto
team dont throw smoke is one thing
solid hinge
Just the liberator
crimson trail
Infinite smoke plus tommy gun
feral grotto
having lots of smoke on 1 guy is a diff
rich ember
@steel agate that sounds like a problem with your team and not with the game
steel agate
It's most painful as attackers in sector by sector modes
crimson trail
Equals instant
steel agate
@rich ember No I play pub games
gray saffron
i dislike the long reload for the smoke launcher. i'm trying to revive a guy and he just has to look how i slowly put my smoke nade in my tube.
steel agate
It's how people play
rich ember
This does not help your point.
crimson trail
Imagine running in endless smoke and u get headshot with a liberator
rich ember
That's not a game issue.
steel agate
Yeah it does help my point
feral grotto
and still doesnt meant 1 medic should have 10 smoke nades
it doesn't help your point btw..
mystic wolf
welp I guess I just have to proceed with this broken fucking TOW milestone and hope it somehow works
stoic breach
People just wont sacrifice a grenade for smoke generally
steel agate
2 smoke grenades +3 smoke in launcher, add one more for launcher
stoic breach
Its just an unpopular pick
steel agate
It does help my point because teams don't use enough smoke
solid hinge
Imagine a server where everything isn’t allowed besides smoke and liberators
feral grotto
there's no reason to add it.. its not a 1v32 game
rich ember
no they don't
solid hinge
frags are bunk in this game and incendiary is better suited for a class that isnt medic
steel agate
They usually resort to other nades
feral grotto
that doesn't change the fact you need to add smoke nades..
solid hinge
they should be running smokes
feral grotto
just because other dont use it as much
steel agate
yes it does
feral grotto
no it doesnt
solid hinge
It’s not already a 1v32 game hen your entire team is brainless?
gray saffron
have you seen marita? plenty of smokes there XD
steel agate
because if that's the psychology of what players will do, then there's not enough smoke at the end of the day
feral grotto
and that still doesn't mean you should get an extra nade
rich ember
I feel like that's a misunderstanding of how people think
and this still doesn't make it a game issue.
feral grotto
idk how you made it part of your statement..
steel agate
then the players actually using smoke should get an extra smoke for the launcher to ease that burden faced by attackers
lots of players don't even use smoke
among medics that is
topaz dome
I've been seeing people through smokes especially on marita which is why I'm asking if they got nerfed
steel agate
snipers can too but they're usually in the back
feral grotto
if(useSmoke){
smokeNade++;
}else{
dont;
}
rich ember
maybe they don't understand the advantages of it, or how to use it properly.
gray saffron
you can have 20 smokes and still never enough. 4 is fine imo
feral grotto
there you go dice
formal valve
Ooooh someone made a really cool concept model of Ernst as a Gebirgsjäger instead of a Luftwaffe pilot
solid hinge
5 smokes is quite a lot
formal valve
Looks pretty nice
steel agate
Yes, so 4 smoke grenades for the grenade launcher
solid hinge
I think smoke grenades should last forever and incendiary grenades gradually spread to encompass the entire map so the round ends with everyone‘s game crashing
stoic breach
Smoke doesnt really need a buff imo
Its just a utility pick
More smoke is just more smoke getting unused
solid hinge
if you have 4 dedicated medics using smoke then the map becomes a fog cloud
steel agate
not a buff, but a quantity increase
feral grotto
i'll do you one better Quantum..
rich ember
I think this attitude of "People in the game don't use it so it should be buffed" is incredibly stupid
feral grotto
medics bolt action will shoot lasers as well
steel agate
The people who use it should get more
solid hinge
When is the ray gun being added? Thought I saw that datamined
feral grotto
Archer , that statement is so stupid
steel agate
Not in this specific case
feral grotto
well yeah
steel agate
it's an exception, not a rule
rich ember
why not just tell more people to use it.
rich ember
and what kind of response do you typically get from this.
solid hinge
What are rules without exceptions? And what are exceptions without rules?
solid hinge
Maybe you should be the one with the smokes
solid hinge
That accomplishes 50% of the objective
steel agate
no, that's not an exception
feral grotto
snipers that dont use spawn beacon should have no beacons
rich ember
then squad up with friends and say they should use smokes.
solid hinge
The other 50% is rushing
feral grotto
that's as stupid as what you suggesst
visual blade
you guys are arguing over the most pointless thing
feral grotto
not pointless
steel agate
I made a special case for the smoke because it promotes cqb and pushing and ptfoing
rich ember
You know what else is a fallacy? Suggesting that something should get buffed just because you don't think it's used enough
feral grotto
just stupid
visual blade
agreed to disagree that is
steel agate
And it's underutilized
visual blade
then leave it like that
feral grotto
lol.. that's not an easy thing to do 7md
rich ember
I'm sorry that's your experience with it, but your experiences are not universal.
solid hinge
I think spawn beacons should make everyone in the entire game spawn within a 5 meter radius of the beacon
steel agate
It's what I see most games
rich ember
And they should not be used to justify balancing decisions.
solid hinge
Nothing can go wrong
potentially having 6 smokes is.. you can single handedly keep the entire map smoked
steel agate
Nah, smoke dissipates pretty fast if you're in the heat of the moment
feral grotto
leaving a side you resupply every obj..
rich ember
@steel agate i'm going to repeat what i just said, cause you apparently didn't understand me.
Your experiences are not universal, and they should not be used to justify balancing decisions.
feral grotto
adding a smoke isn't even balancing
solid hinge
Maybe we should just bring back gas grenades but no gas masks
steel agate
Yes but lots of people will say the same thing
feral grotto
lots as in
rich ember
I see nobody else saying that same thing.
visual blade
yea why do we have gas masks?
steel agate
Just because I'm one person doesn't mean that it's not often the actual case
feral grotto
either way.. like Quantum said..
solid hinge
Because it’s for style dude
visual blade
you mean money
solid hinge
WTF did I say that was intelligent?
feral grotto
the universal bla bla
rich ember
Like, do you have proof that teammates not running smoke is a problem for enough of the community that changes to how many smoke grenades someone has is necessary?
solid hinge
XD
steel agate
@rich ember Do you have proof for the reverse?
feral grotto
btw.. why are you still using the name i gave you @rich ember ?
rich ember
@steel agate You're the one making the claims mate. Burden of proof falls on you.
@feral grotto because i like it
rich ember
Also, it's realistically impossible to ask every single person who plays this game about their opinions on this matter because not everyone who plays this game is here, speaks english, or would even care about the subject.
steel agate
Yes lol
rich ember
You're just giving your experiences, but considering the amount of people that play BFV on a regular basis, it's incredibly unlikely that your experiences are universal, and thus, saying that changes to gameplay should be made just because of your experiences is unnecessary.
steel agate
Nah, it's merely insufficient
solid hinge
Idk why this convo is still going.... I’ve already given my outstanding expert advice so that should have satisfied everyone in the gaming community
rich ember
It's Insufficient and unnecessary. A waste of time for both of us.
steel agate
It is necessary because that is what I'm encountering
feral grotto
an ending statement because im off work now...
Archer, your idea is stupid. no offense.
topaz dome
I started running smokes on recon for revives and pushing
feral grotto
necessary .... to you.. add those two words
grand haven
rich ember
Do you just gloss over my Your Experiences Are Not Universal thing every time i say it
stoic breach
More smokes is kind of unnecessary because its just a buff to the people who use it, and if everyone started using it, visibility would go down the drain
rich ember
Because i swear to god i keep having to repeat this point
stoic breach
Even further
rich ember
and you're not getting it
stoic breach
Smoke is already really powerful as is
feral grotto
oooo you done it now Razen
steel agate
You can't just say "your experiences are not universal"
stoic breach
Done what
rich ember
Your experiences are not universal.
feral grotto
messed up
stoic breach
Nice
steel agate
as in making it an objective fact in my case
For instance, I see invisible players.
Then you follow up with that statement
rich ember
You seem to think it's an objective fact, so objective that you think gameplay changes should be made based on that fact.
steel agate
I experienced it, and others may not have
feral grotto
i think assault class should have on the stg44 a smoke grenade but ... it will be an automatic smoke grenade with 11 in the mag
ok.. now im off.. have fun arguing with a wall @rich ember
steel agate
So things I experience could not be part of a universal phenomenon?
Your statement is too broad
rich ember
Also, about the invisible players thing. That's unintended by the game developers, and is clearly a bug. People not using smoke grenades is not a bug. That's just how people are thinking about it. You can't really do anything about this.
steel agate
I personally can't
stoic breach
Smoke grenades are powerful, but unpopular utility picks
steel agate
The bugs example is to highlight the point of universality
Yes, not enough people use it
stoic breach
They are fine as is because you're trading a grenade for the ability to obscure visibility
Many people dont need to use it
steel agate
Because they snipe in the back
I experience lots of snipers in the back being useless
stoic breach
You can get away with the 4 (5) smokes you have as a medic to cover the entire team on a push
Towards an objective
rich ember
The bug point is irrelevant because you're trying to compare experiencing a thing unintended by the developers, to something maybe the developers hadn't thought of, but is not a bug because that's caused by player choices. People don't choose to have invisible soldiers.
steel agate
It's my experience that lots of snipers are being useless in the back, therefore since it's my experience it's not universal
stoic breach
The sniper argument and universal experience argument are both kind of irrelevant
rich ember
Unfortunately that's the consequence of player choice and how the game works. There's nothing that can be done about this unless you wanna force people to change how they play the game, which could turn people away from it.
steel agate
I experience players not using enough smoke
Yes you can do something about it... give one more smoke for the grenade launcher...
stoic breach
Grenade launcher gets 3 shots
rich ember
That's not going to make more people choose the smoke launcher.
steel agate
yes give me a fourth please
rich ember
If they're not gonna use it, they're not gonna use it even if it has one more nade.
visual blade
dude get the fuck outa here. You’re literally complaining ab something so fkn pointless and dumb
stoic breach
Medics who focus on revives always pick smoke as well
steel agate
Which is why the people who use it can have more smokes
stoic breach
Insulting someone isnt an argument, be polite
steel agate
to help the team
rich ember
3 smokes is more than enough to be decently helpful.
visual blade
Get used to it.
stoic breach
Doesnt stop you from using your brain?
Anywayd
Medics who like reviving always pick smoke for utility anyways
steel agate
It's not pointless, smoke is one of the most powerful nades in the game but it's underrated pick
rich ember
@visual blade Being on the internet doesn't absolve you from common courtesy. Please.
If it's one of the most powerful nades in the game then why do you need more of them?
visual blade
Ya it does mate.
rich ember
No it doesn't.
steel agate
Yes smoke is meta for medics
stoic breach
Smoke grenades are just underrated
Not too weak or too powerful
Buffing them wont help because they'll become more of a nuisance
rich ember
You may think it does, but it really doesn't. It's really not much to ask for you to not be rude.
steel agate
And so when we're pushing an objective there's not enough smoke by the time I use it to cross an entire field
stoic breach
!!r4
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steel agate
Because not everyone uses smoke
visual blade
Wow my bad sir.
stoic breach
@steel agate its kind of unnecessary for an entire team to be using smoke though
visual blade
I am so sorry.
stoic breach
Like if everyone started using smoke it would actually be annoying
steel agate
not an entire team though
stoic breach
Its probably best as an unpopular pick
steel agate
We just need more people to use smoke
rich ember
The game doesn't need to be changed for that to happen.
stoic breach
Smokes are good enough as it where one person can pick up the slack
steel agate
Try crossing an open stretch of land as attackers on say, Hamada, with only a few smokers
stoic breach
Thats the map being shit
steel agate
Well, that's one example
visual blade
seems like you play solo way too much @steel agate
stoic breach
Maps shouldnt be designed to require a certain gadget to work
visual blade
Join yourself a platoon or something
rich ember
Yeah, do that.
steel agate
I'm on BFEE
rich ember
That'll probably help quite a bit with your issue, actually.
steel agate
But I play pub games
stoic breach
If you design a map to be an open stretch of land that requires the obfuscation of vision using utility to travel safely
Thats not the player's fault
steel agate
pub games teammates are mostly miss than hit
rich ember
A pub game with a 5man squad on voice is easily winnable.
visual blade
well that sucks mate
ivory storm
So, is there NA PC platoons recruiting
visual blade
You gotta get used to pub if you expect tactics
steel agate
Not to mention the balancing issues on servers
Balance and Hackers are the next important things for DICE to take care of
stoic breach
Auto team balance?
rich ember
yeah, not adding more smoke grenades.
steel agate
Well, they're not going to add more smoke grenades any time soon there are more pressing issues like the hackers
Auto balance may not work appropriately
stoic breach
Auto balance doesn't exist
rich ember
maybe once those issues are worked out, more smoke grenades won't be necessary.
stoic breach
BF1 actually has auto team balance
steel agate
If say your team has 16 enemy has 32 at the end of round, teams get balanced for the start of the next round
visual blade
I swear people didn’t like that in bf1
steel agate
well in BF1 people could manually switch
stoic breach
Yeah
steel agate
to the winning team every time lol
stoic breach
"Squads"
steel agate
It's the hackers I'm most annoyed with though
rich ember
well they probably do but they aren't gonna say anything about it
steel agate
The same exact hackers show up so I know that they're not being banned from reports
stoic breach
Because the people in charge of BFV dont play their own game
rich ember
@steel agate you're sure they're hacking?