immersion is just commitment to your setting
#battlefield-legacy-titles
midnight nimbus
I thought BF Hardline was really immersive despite being probably the least realistic BF
solid hinge
Yeah I can agree with that
rich ember
honestly if there was a smaller scale BF game with the gunplay from BF4 it'd probably do really well in going against CoD
midnight nimbus
because it really committed to being a cops and criminals game and had fantastic voice work
midnight nimbus
I always preferred small scale BF
solid hinge
midnight nimbus
not a big 64p fan
solid hinge
It is a game
midnight nimbus
just play BF TDM and DOM
rich ember
Like the entire game based around that.
solid hinge
For a lot of ppl
midnight nimbus
another CoD clone would just be DOA
midnight nimbus
even if gunplay were different
solid hinge
I always enjoyed the mix that battlefield had with vehicles and infantry
midnight nimbus
to the base player who's new, it doesn't do anything different enough from CoD
solid hinge
I am really not a fan of them caving in on the tdm
BF5 from the get go was already a much smaller scale bf game
rich ember
I've never enjoyed it. My favorite moments from BF4 don't involve vehicles at all. I don't care for 'em.
midnight nimbus
I mostly played TDM/DOM in BF
solid hinge
Partly the reason its having so many issues now
midnight nimbus
i don't mind vehicles, i just hate conquest
solid hinge
Conquest is a dying format me thinks
solid hinge
vehicles are fun
Breakthrough/Frontlines is where the future for battlefield is
Imo
midnight nimbus
rush was fun in BF3/4
solid hinge
anything that mixes up solely infantry play
rich ember
UGGGGH
solid hinge
If bf5 had good maps dom and tdm would be more popular
midnight nimbus
yeah BFV TDM and DOM maps are really bad
BF1 TDM/DOM is a masterpiece in comparison
rich ember
tbh a lot of TDM maps are really bad
hazy wasp
Battlefield should be 30/30/30/10
solid hinge
Which is stupid because thats what they were designed for
hazy wasp
tactics, infantry, vehicles, air
midnight nimbus
suez and giants shadow were amazing for TDM and DOM
solid hinge
Noshahr canals 
midnight nimbus
BFH Blood Money is still the best game mode in the entire franchise imo
rich ember
Canals is another map that's on my shitlist along with Lockers and Metro.
I fucking hate Canals.
solid hinge
Damn you seem to hate alot of things from battlefield
midnight nimbus
Noshahr Canals when it's not a massive playercount shitfest is awesome
24 or 32p
solid hinge
You dont like the idea of battlefield nor do you like the ocmmunity favourite maps
rich ember
@solid hinge yes, i don't like things, what a surprise
solid hinge
I mean it kinda is considering, well assuming you play the games and youre engaging in discussion in a bf discord
midnight nimbus
I mean i don't like most of BF either
rich ember
thanks for noticing.
midnight nimbus
but the parts of it i do like, i really like
rich ember
yeah sure let's say that
midnight nimbus
Metro Frontlines or Blood Money in 32p would be perfect
idt i'd play anything else
solid hinge
Attrition is barely even here at this point
midnight nimbus
bc frontlines is all about sustained presence
slate frigate
is it just me or is the anti-cheat system non-existent?
rich ember
just you
solid hinge
Imo attrition was a really good idea that shouldve been expanded on, and at its launch state it barely had an impact on the gameplay
Now even less
midnight nimbus
alpha and beta attrition was ridiculously unfun experience
slate frigate
anti cheat is basically just the community reporting XD
solid hinge
Well it would for someone who hates 90% of what battlefield has to offer
midnight nimbus
MW3 dead man's hand is a better game mechanic than attrition
solid hinge
Ok
rich ember
are you serious?
midnight nimbus
absolutely
solid hinge
Maybe u oughta go back there then
rich ember
Man i gotta say
midnight nimbus
attrition completely borks vehicle balance
rich ember
you have some pretty shit opinions
slate frigate
respekt 0
midnight nimbus
and it's either non existent or super unfun, depending on your class/gun
solid hinge
Yeah because of other balance issues
midnight nimbus
if infantry isn't scared of vehicles, wtf are vehicles for?
vehicles have been for farming since day one
BF3 MBT and AH lol
solid hinge
Yeah but you dont fix the core issue with making it worse
fleet moth
Ideally they would be for capping and holding objectives, not taking potshots at planes and infantry from across the map
midnight nimbus
any half competent vehicle player uses vehicles to farm
bruh in what BF game are tanks for capping and holding
solid hinge
/ any scrub who doesnt know better uses it to farm
fleet moth
All of them
midnight nimbus
from day one, they're for wiping the obj
rich ember
I love trying to defend a conquest flag and basically lose it cause a full tank squad just shows up and i can't do much about it
midnight nimbus
watch literally any half decent vehicle player
fleet moth
I was 25-0 last night in the AA and I still capped plenty of flags
midnight nimbus
> 25-0 in a 64p match with a tank
k
solid hinge
Shouldve taken a tank that isnt aa
midnight nimbus
even in BF3/4 when your turret was fast enough to cover all angles, you don't step on the obj until the enemy is already completely wrecked
as a vehicle, your presence and speed is best used elsewhere than simply burning
midnight nimbus
one tank doesn't burn any faster than one infy
you're fast af and you're in a bulletproof box
go to another flag and kill everyone so it's safe for your teammates by the time they get there
solid hinge
Seems like a dream scenario where the enemy is incapable of fighting back
midnight nimbus
the entire purpose of vehicles are for lethality
fleet moth
Even on infantry only maps the blueberries don’t push up
midnight nimbus
sitting still and burning flags is a waste of your time and your team's effort
fleet moth
Thats literally what wins conquest
solid hinge
Cant compare bf4 to bf5 tank play though
midnight nimbus
no reason to push more if you have half + 1 tho
solid hinge
The bf5 tank design was clearly made for the tanks to be breakthrough weapons
midnight nimbus
unless you wanna go for the spawn trap
solid hinge
So bf4 tactics dont work here
midnight nimbus
> The bf5 tank design was clearly made for the tanks to be breakthrough weapons
this almost made me laugh
bruh BF4 tanks are the supreme breakthrough weapons
solid hinge
I mean its true
midnight nimbus
BFV tanks are not
your turret isn't fast enough to cover wide angles
you aren't fast
solid hinge
They didnt succeed in that but thats what they were clearly designed for
rich ember
imagine designing something for a purpose, and then it completely fails in that purpose
midnight nimbus
lmfao in what way were BFV tanks designed for the frontlines?
do elaborate
gud joke
fleet moth
bruh, you can be 40-5, 50-5, 60-5, or even 70-5 and the team still gets crushed because you need flags to win
rich ember
that's what we in the trade call B A D D E S I G N
solid hinge
How were they not?
midnight nimbus
easy to mobility crit, can't cover the angles you need something in the frontlines to cover
slow af
everything you don't want a frontlines vehicle to be
solid hinge
Theyre slow as shit so they cant do anything but to stick to infantry and push, their specialization focus around infantry defence and reinforced tracks and turrets
rich ember
can be taken out by a single decent player. although this isn't a complaint.
rich ember
aren't anti-tank nades really useful in BF1?
fleet moth
Yeah you can solo tanks pretty easy
solid hinge
Yeah because theyre balanced poorly
midnight nimbus
as in you're unkillable by anything but planes if you're good at positioning
solid hinge
I think youre not seeing the creater picture here
rich ember
he's not seeing the creater picture?
solid hinge
Youre so focused on defending the idea of why farming is ok and youre not a noob for doing it
Which is not even a point that was brought up
midnight nimbus
> implying farming isn't useful
rich ember
he's not seeing the creater picture.
solid hinge
Fucking its 2 am hard 2 type
midnight nimbus
entire game modes encourage farming to win
rich ember
imagine not seeing the creater picture
i can type at 2 AM just fine what's your excuse
midnight nimbus
if you're defending on Breakthrough or Rush, wtf else are you doing?
you're literally helping your team win by farming
midnight nimbus
in Conquest, farming burns enemy tickets as well
midnight nimbus
even attacking on Breakthrough, farming is really effective
solid hinge
being infantry speed doesnt mean you're better at pushing with infantry!
midnight nimbus
^ literally this
solid hinge
Not even what I said
it means you're bad at running away from them
Youse are missing the whole point
Im not saying how it is
midnight nimbus
"tanks are slow as fuck, clearly designed for aggressive use!!!!"
solid hinge
Im saying what the design intent was
midnight nimbus
the design intent was clearly aimed towards irl tanks
solid hinge
So maybe youse should actually read and comprehend
the specialisations being geared towards defence from infantry are bunk spec trees
midnight nimbus
holding down positions
midnight nimbus
really bad when you're out of position
solid hinge
Irl tank from what era
You guessed it
Ww2
And tanks were used with infantry to push positions
midnight nimbus
tanks literally exist irl to farm people
solid hinge
No they dont chief
midnight nimbus
dead enemies don't cap objectives
solid hinge
If tanks existed to do that they wouldnt be designed the way they are
midnight nimbus
dead enemies don't defend objectives
solid hinge
True
midnight nimbus
enemies in general are harder to beat when they're dead
solid hinge
But the argument can be made that youd be doing more good with the infantry pushing
Youre providing support for the infantry and farming
midnight nimbus
the blueberries can cap for you, they're not too scared of pushing when there's no enemies left to kill them
solid hinge
Althought at a greater risk
So I can see why people prefer farming at the back
You have to admit it eventually kht
midnight nimbus
drive up to first sector on Arras
pop Pz4 flares, murder everyone
friendlies see no more enemies with my flare spot
friendlies stand on flag for me
solid hinge
Youre just lazy and want to rack kills
midnight nimbus
why does farming mean I'm all the way in the back?
solid hinge
Being in denial helps nobody
midnight nimbus
you can watch clips of my tank farms if you'd like
solid hinge
Look I get youre a badass for your 200k-0d games in the archer at the spawn
midnight nimbus
they really don't involve me sitting in the back
you don't get mad kills sitting in spawn
sit right outside obj where you can control area
and see people trying to sneak up on you
murder everyone
solid hinge
Thats not farming tho
midnight nimbus
that literally is
shut cipher
@solid hinge 
midnight nimbus
you're sitting there and murdering enemies en masse
solid hinge
Think what ppl refer to farming with tanks is ppl sitting at the back of the map
midnight nimbus
I've yet to see anyone drop a ton of kills sitting all the way back in spawn
that's literally what no one means by farming
farming is just getting a shit ton of kills
solid hinge
Forgot I was talking to an epic gamer
shut cipher
lol
shut cipher
tank players are like the best ones though like it takes a ridiculous amount of skill to get kills in a tank
hazy wasp
Squads that don't follow squad leader roders suck
solid hinge
But youre really saying all those people on reddit complaining about tank farmers are talking about your playstyle
I dont think youre that special mate
Doesnt take skill to get kills in a tank @shut cipher
solid hinge
Barely even that
midnight nimbus
good positioning if you want mad kills
solid hinge
Staying alive is usually the hardest bit
solid hinge
Yeah if you want to be that fella on adhd medicine and red bull only wanting kill streaks
If youre looking yo play a game then staying alive is the hard bit
midnight nimbus
can't have epic kill streaks without staying alive
solid hinge
the only way you get killed is if an assault sneaks up on you or by another tank currently
midnight nimbus
especially in breakthrough, where you aren't necessarily guaranteed a tank spawn later
solid hinge
sufficient amounts of third person make sneaking up literally impossible
midnight nimbus
high FoV 3p peeking is insane
solid hinge
Locking the turret while 3rd person is severely underrated as well
midnight nimbus
you can literally see people over hills and around buildings before they can see you
shut cipher
@solid hinge yeah exactly because I was being sarcastic
solid hinge
Dont have to drag that fucking thing with
shut cipher
Tanks are fucking noob tubes 
shut cipher
Call me a fake Battlefield player but I only like TDM 
midnight nimbus
low effort, high reward 🤤🤤🤤
solid hinge
And especially not a fan of epic gamers who think theyre a fucking faze clan masterman for getting mad streaks
solid hinge
Lazy mentality
shut cipher
LMAO
solid hinge
Gon bite u in the arse long term trust
shut cipher
Man the way you use the term "epic gamers" has me dead af hahahaha
midnight nimbus
why not
midnight nimbus
masochist mentality intentionally handicapping yourself in a game
when you can do something else way easier and more effective
midnight nimbus
killing tons of people is how i have fun
that's why i play PVP games
to dunk on other people through the internet
midnight nimbus
yes, max dunking on people with the least effort
solid hinge
Indeed
Thats where we differ then I guess
I dont get satisfaction from basically standing still pressing a button
midnight nimbus
I don't have any illusions of some kind of video game morality
forest wadi
Lmaoooo
solid hinge
Me neither chief
midnight nimbus
if there's something ridiculously cheesy and arguably OP, ofc I'm going to abuse it
solid hinge
Im just saying it how it is
Aint no illusion in simply not enjoying hand outs
Bet you usain bolt wouldnt want easy wins in runs
Cuz whats the point of winning when theres no real competition
midnight nimbus
Usain Bolt also wouldn't wear work boots in a race if he could wear track spikes instead
forest wadi
What are y’all even debating about
solid hinge
I dont really see how that is equivalent to tank farming
midnight nimbus
if you just wanna kill a ton of people in BF, why choose to play infy if you have the option of playing in a tank?
rich ember
because i don't like tanks
solid hinge
Hey hi
forest wadi
Lmfaoooo
forest wadi
Then play cod ?
midnight nimbus
tbh not a fan of BF4 tanks just bc of the aiming reticle
which is why i mostly played TDM and DOM in BF4
solid hinge
But if you want alot of kills in a tank why take the cheapest way
Dont you want some challenge
forest wadi
Wdym
midnight nimbus
i don't play FPS for some illusion of it being some big brain genre
forest wadi
The only way to get kills in a tank if you push objectives
midnight nimbus
because it's not
midnight nimbus
FPS has always been a low brainpower point and click adventure
I like clicking on people until they die
solid hinge
So keen on an illusion, makes me think theres something going on in there that you’re acknowledging
midnight nimbus
I play FPS because it's fun to click on other people until they die, and BFV tanks were the ultimate low effort point and click adventure
lots of kills, little effort
midnight nimbus
getting epic splash damage multi kills 😍
if i wanna do something to challenge myself and improve myself as a person, it's not a video game lol
opaque cipher
Arma has the ultimate point and click adventure tbh
opaque cipher
1.2mil at the click of a button
upper vault
I thought arma had the best hold down the key to run adventure
midnight nimbus
or if i wanna play a video game that actually tests my brain power to some degree, it's not gonna be an FPS game lol
FPS games have never been big brain
opaque cipher
That’s infantry
solid hinge
If that situation ever occurs either
upper vault
Civilization VI or HOI IV would be good brain power testing games
midnight nimbus
that's the entire premise of the genre
orchid shore
im getting sick by people who just gets back on a plane to shoot me down as a bomber 
midnight nimbus
yeah, I play RTS if i want a challenge
solid hinge
Do you
midnight nimbus
I play FPS for point and click relaxation
opaque cipher
Depends on the FPS tbh
solid hinge
Would seem from your mindset you wouldnt want to
orchid shore
if you want a true RNG brain power testing games play XCOM 2 
trust me you will miss a 95% shot
opaque cipher
Mortaring in Squad takes good maths
midnight nimbus
almost like i have different mindsets for different tasks 🤔🤔🤔
solid hinge
Yeah indeed
orchid shore
thank god I'm level 30 for ToW
midnight nimbus
I mean going for max results with minimal effort is just being efficient
opaque cipher
It’s the easiest milsim to get into
upper vault
I prefer Squad over ArmA cause you don’t need mods to get an awesome experience.
orchid shore
Grinding on Devastation is great 
hazy wasp
its really not
upper vault
Meh
solid hinge
Cutting corners and overall trying to do the minimum will eventually just get worse and worse
Youll end up doing too less
And a possible cut corner from before can hurt you big time further down the line
Not a healthy mindset
orchid shore
I usually get 40-60 kills on Devastation with ton of score
midnight nimbus
tank farming is about doing the MAXIMUM
orchid shore
but I'm getting sick of dealing with the Tides of War XP limit
solid hinge
You just said in a very long convo for you its about achieving alot with minimum effort
orchid shore
I would normally get 15-20k score but with tides of war XP limit I get only 9k EXP for it
solid hinge
With disregard to the well being of things around you
You dont care how the match is going
Youre just shooting enemies
midnight nimbus
well my goal in playing FPS is to get tons of kills and have fun
opaque cipher
I mean you don’t get anything for winning matches besides maybe “oh yay we won”
solid hinge
True tbf
midnight nimbus
if farming people maximizes my fun, i guess it's pretty conducive to my goal
solid hinge
But thats besides the point
orchid shore
I have a community that we host a Zombie Survival and I tell you what, it's fun
midnight nimbus
yeah, if you aren't playing a video game to maximize fun, why are you playing?
midnight nimbus
solid hinge
Quite correct, should keep that point and think about it a while
Would help tremendously when faced with a similar argument to this one. Some people dont find what youre doing fun and are not inferior to you for not doing so
Glad we finally got here
solid hinge
Exactly, if theyre not doing what im doing, they must be wrong and stupid!
midnight nimbus
if there's one thing i think is objectively dumb in gaming, it's the whole entire of video game morality
like people whining about AEKs on Lockers
solid hinge
Another one of these illusions of yours?
midnight nimbus
or complaining about attack helis wrecking everyone
solid hinge
Whats this, the third or fourth at this point?
midnight nimbus
people complaining about fairness or whatever
opaque cipher
Imagine complaining on lockers
solid hinge
Yeah I agree thats a stupid mentality to have
By all means if you want to use the best there is you have the right to do that
Nodody should tell you otherwise
hazy wasp
the pistol accuracy when ADS iss till pretty shit
solid hinge
Well unless its like, OP to the point the devs say dont use it until its nerfed
midnight nimbus
if you choose not to use the most effective tool in your arsenal, you just shouldn't whine about someone doing so
"don't use it until it's nerfed" is the perfect call to use it
solid hinge
Let me emphasize again, I said if you use the best way to use a tank that is balance wise not in the best place rn, dont tell others theyre inferior/dumb for not doing so too and tell their opinions on balance are dumb as well because they arent interested in mindless kill farming because your fun isnt fun for them
midnight nimbus
I mean I'm also arguing out of a point of sheer effectiveness in winning as well
solid hinge
Its not about whining or “gaming morality”, its about finding a healthy balance between
midnight nimbus
dropping tons of kills is the entire purpose of vehicles, especially when you consider their weakness
solid hinge
There it is again
hazy wasp
fuck all people resupplying
solid hinge
Youre being narcissistic about your playstyle
midnight nimbus
like you can go cap flags with a BF4 scout heli
solid hinge
Youre not understanding your own points
midnight nimbus
but that's clearly not what it's good at, or intended for
there's two points in gaming, imo
winning and having fun
solid hinge
Yeah keep that IMO in mind as well
midnight nimbus
they're not necessarily always the same thing
solid hinge
It is not fact
Also that point about scout helis is dumb vs bf5 tanks
Compeletely different design intentions
icy sluice
You can capture a flag with a plane in BFV, if you really want to land it
midnight nimbus
for the sheer purpose of winning, wiping people out is also the purpose of BFV tanks
sit in the middle of the obj, and your turret can't cover all the angles you'll be attacked from
solid hinge
Who are you to decide bf5 tanks are only made for kill farming on a hill?
Which is obviously a byproduct of bad balancing
midnight nimbus
kill farming from a good position is clearly what they're effective for
not necessarily on a hill
orchid shore
imagine using the MK1 with the .50cal
midnight nimbus
someone it's even on the obj
solid hinge
Its effective but we arrive at this same point again, its not fun for everyone
midnight nimbus
but BFV tanks are all about good positioning, not necessarily pushing
you can push well if it means good positioning
solid hinge
And you cant say thats the most effective either
midnight nimbus
I mean I'm far from the only tanker who realizes that good positioning is the most effective way to use a BFV tank
hazy wasp
Man Conquest better get a bit of a rework in the enxt BF because its becomign whack atm, its that or the maps in V are just not set up for any type of mode
Devastation and Aerodrome are so unfun
solid hinge
Thats not the point
midnight nimbus
if you're mob critted, you're really really screwed
solid hinge
And infact isnt always true
Should ask at this point what is your definition of “most effective”
solid hinge
Could make the counter argument that pushing with the team and achieving victory faster is more effective
Basically what farming is, is battle of attrition
midnight nimbus
I mean i never argued for tanks being detached from the team
especially since I exclusively played breakthrough in BFV, being away from your team isn't even very possible
hazy wasp
no footsteps again
midnight nimbus
but tanks being the front of the attack isn't very smart
hazy wasp
thats 12 deaths tonight directly contributed to with the audio mix on footsteps beign fucked
solid hinge
I think overall what I realized now is that whom this playstyle benefits the most is the person doing it
midnight nimbus
you rely on either teammates or good positioning to make up for a slow turret and slow movement
if you're in front of the assault, you don't have anyone to cover for your turrets inadequacy
solid hinge
Also zooming in with the turret negates all slow movement speed on turret
Dont know if you knew that
midnight nimbus
lmfao no it doesn't
your turn rate is still limited in 1p
you can't insta 180 like you can in BF4
solid hinge
You on pc then?
solid hinge
Yeah see that doesnt exist on console
midnight nimbus
dead tanks are not useful to winning, especially when tank spawns are slow or even not guaranteed (in breakthrough)
solid hinge
Only thing different is the ‘input lag’ in non zoomed mode
midnight nimbus
the turret turning limit system is really poorly done
midnight nimbus
other games with limited tank turrets handle it much better
solid hinge
I think its done way better than other tank games
midnight nimbus
lmfao the frame by frame system is really bad
solid hinge
I prefer to use controller in war thunder i.e because its a pain in the ass with mouse
midnight nimbus
especially when you consider the mouse movement you can do
the frame by frame correction is why BFV tanks feel laggy or jittery
midnight nimbus
I mean console players would've never noticed or barely noticed
bc joysticks have limited turn rates anyways
solid hinge
Yeah
icy sluice
tmw your turret gets disabled
midnight nimbus
plus, with a mouse you can engage way further out with a tank anyways
keeping good positioning and controlling long sight lines is really effective
solid hinge
Dont think thats limited to pc only
icy sluice
Are you actually going to use an Apex btw? Or just purely meming?
midnight nimbus
I'm considering it
mfw stug/light tank design is awful because their reduced size realistically does not make them any harder to hit
icy sluice
Considering Sony or Microsoft don't give a fuck, I can see why you are considering it
solid hinge
an Apex?
icy sluice
XIM Apex
midnight nimbus
xim
solid hinge
I see
rich ember
It's really not worth the price.
icy sluice
Cronusmax is cheeper anyways
solid hinge
Thinking of getting a xim too to play with m&kb on console
rich ember
if you're used to PC gameplay, it's not worth it. It doesn't work as well as you would think it does.
solid hinge
I do
midnight nimbus
ik it's wonky, but still faster than learning to use a controller
icy sluice
You need to really, really calibrate it for it to be 1:1 with a mouse
Some games can feel like you're actually using a mouse, other games have really shit settings and movement with thumbsticks
solid hinge
I play mainly on console, I only play a few games on pc
orchid shore
I wished EA or DICE consider making cross-play
too bad that origin doesn't exist on consoles
orchid shore
unless they do
I recall something
I think you needed a origin account back then in BF3 on consoles
solid hinge
I dont think so
midnight nimbus
cross play between PC and consoles would be fine if hype aim assist were brought back
solid hinge
You needed an online pass code tho
midnight nimbus
that's what made CoD4 so fun and accessible in the first place
fathom crown
you can make an origin account on console
midnight nimbus
anyone could hop in and blast away for a few kills
solid hinge
Fifa
formal valve
I just had a cinematic close call
orchid shore
not sure if I want to use M1A1 carbine again
I'm getting used to Gewher 43 after the nerf
solid hinge
The M1 carbine is awesome
midnight nimbus
M1A1 Carbine is one of the few things I miss about BFV
orchid shore
and I'm really liking it again
solid hinge
When you get the blued iron sights for it
orchid shore
I hope they bring M2 carbine
solid hinge
Its fucking dope
orchid shore
in next chapter
solid hinge
Eliminates the visibility issues with the normal iron sights
formal valve
Was playing conquest on Panzerstorm, repairing my friends tank, and a stuka goes too low to bomb him, crashes, and his cockpit barely misses my face
midnight nimbus
I just couldn't play BFV with irons
sights and scopes are so much easier to see with
orchid shore
imagine the T20 Garand in BFV
solid hinge
I only just recently find out there are different iron sights on some guns
midnight nimbus
yeah, some of the different irons are better than stock
solid hinge
Thompson and M1 carbine have really good ones
midnight nimbus
but the sights and scopes are still way easier to use
solid hinge
They take the side iron things away
formal valve
The Bolt Actions have pretty nice ironsights
solid hinge
Way easier to use for you
formal valve
The No.4 and the Kar98K have good ones
solid hinge
Here we go again with saying your opinions as statements
orchid shore
just imagine if T20 Garand was actually a specialization for M1 Garand
solid hinge
midnight nimbus
I mean it's generally pretty nice to be able to see around what you're aiming at
orchid shore
we just have to wait to see the tomorrow armory
midnight nimbus
it is objectively easier to see below your point of aim with a sight or scope
formal valve
I’m gonna cry if the elites are he only new things
orchid shore
next armory shop that i won't be buying unless it's something i like
icy sluice
Right now there are about 64k players on CQ NA Xbox. Cool
formal valve
I want that Alpini set that was datamined
orchid shore
😩
formal valve
Please dice
solid hinge
Idk if thats true though youd have to run a study on the bf5 scopes to prove that
midnight nimbus
irons = gun model blocks below your point of aim
scopes = don't block below your point of aim
???
solid hinge
Objectively you can say like sniping is more efficient with a 3-6x scope
formal valve
I like playing as a normal Rifleman, grab a Lee enfield with ironsights and just go join the fight
solid hinge
But when it comes to the holo and irons ehhhh not so clear
midnight nimbus
i am gonna say that nydar and reflex are kinda shitty as far as BF sights go
orchid shore
Anthem Shop > Battlefield V's Armory
Aleast in Anthem, you could buy epic items with in-game economy while BFV's Armory pure sucks with 
midnight nimbus
bc dirty glass
but you still can objectively see more below your point of aim with a nydar or a reflex than you can with irons
bc your gun model is relatively further from your point of aim
formal valve
I just like ironsights
solid hinge
Dont know if thats necessarily true though
formal valve
I just don’t like mounting a Aircraft sight on my gun, that’s all
solid hinge
You have a really wide fov with the thompson sight that only has the rear aperture
orchid shore
I don't know why but I got used to the Stumgewher 4-3 iron sights now
midnight nimbus
even with the dirty glass, the area below your point of aim on a reflex or nydar is still objectively more transparent than it would be with irons
formal valve
I just don’t like he idea of red dot sights in a WW2 game lol
midnight nimbus
bruh play the game
formal valve
It’s just odd
solid hinge
I see
midnight nimbus
area under Nydar = transparent
orchid shore
just deal with it
midnight nimbus
area under irons = your gun model
solid hinge
Just a narcissistic opinion
formal valve
I do
solid hinge
As always
orchid shore
in the beta they were painful to use
formal valve
In the beta they were too dark
orchid shore
yes
midnight nimbus
played some BF4 today and the coyote is so hype
solid hinge
Also kht, did you take into account colourblind people might not benefit from the red dot sight
formal valve
^^
solid hinge
So objectively irons would be better
formal valve
The coyote 😫
formal valve
^
solid hinge
Me too chief
midnight nimbus
just change it to a different color you can see
formal valve
I changed mine to red
orchid shore
just deal with it
formal valve
Make yours red
midnight nimbus
you can change it to a color that stands out way more than irons
solid hinge
Im red green
formal valve
It helps with both the red dots and the planes sights
midnight nimbus
bc especially the darker irons are easily lost when you point at something dark
use magenta
formal valve
The plane sights are so much better red
strong furnace
I have a problem help me out here guys I can use M1907 sf and Suomi with light bolt spec ( i believe that's the name ) effectively and can control the recoil but whenever I use the tommy gun in medic class the bullets don't stay on target whatever I do it doesn't go upwards or anything the scope goes left and right and it can't stay on target
formal valve
Or magenta, yeah
strong furnace
I need tips with this
midnight nimbus
or turquoise or neon purple
solid hinge
Kht you have a very large issue of just saying whatever you use / do is the most efficient and factually best way
Real ego issues
formal valve
I miss BF4s attachment system😫
solid hinge
Or just narcissistic
midnight nimbus
i mean picking out a reticle that's clear and brightly stands out is more efficient than something harder to see
solid hinge
Yeah to you
formal valve
Yeah
solid hinge
To you
solid hinge
You =/= Me
midnight nimbus
I like the 1906 irons in BFV
formal valve
^
strong furnace
Oh man ignored
solid hinge
I like all iron sights generally
formal valve
I think some of the Semis have good ones
solid hinge
I even prefer the ak irons in bf4
formal valve
The Gewehr 1-5 has a good one
coarse thunder
I like the MG34 and MG42 irons but otherwise I haven't tried out them all
solid hinge
Play rainbow six with irons too
midnight nimbus
I don't like how BF4 irons aren't screendotted
solid hinge
M60 irons in bf4
midnight nimbus
they aren't glued to the center of your screen like RDS reticles are
formal valve
Oh
solid hinge
Shit wasnt even rendered in
midnight nimbus
BF4 RDS reticles don't deviate from the center at all
so they're really reliable
formal valve
Coyote is the best RDS in BF4
ivory acorn
Who runs iron in BF5? I mean cmon. Scopes all the way
midnight nimbus
coyote 😍
solid hinge
I hate the coyote sight
formal valve
WHY?
orchid shore
great
solid hinge
But I cant deny ifs the best
formal valve
Dude?!
midnight nimbus
i just used kobra with a custom dot in BFH
orchid shore
im regretting of joining a firestorm game
solid hinge
Idk its just not for me
midnight nimbus
because you can change the reticles
formal valve
Oh yeah
orchid shore
or EVEN finding one LOBBY
solid hinge
I liked the Holo 1x alot
solid hinge
The american holo
midnight nimbus
but in BFV, I just make the reflex and nydar reticle as invisible as possible and use a screendot
formal valve
Ive been playing hardline a lot recently
midnight nimbus
just a CS style magneta cross
formal valve
@orchid shore good luck lol
solid hinge
The glass aperture is awful in bf5 for me
orchid shore
thank the god that DICE added a alternative way to get the reward
solid hinge
I just cant stand the distance between the reticle and the front sight
solid hinge
Makes visual recoil insane
orchid shore
took me too long to find one
formal valve
I missed my Uzi so much
coarse thunder
Is that the 1.25x aperture sight
orchid shore
hoping that my assignments will be done
midnight nimbus
I hate how BFV sights aren't centered like BF4
formal valve
Laser beam
solid hinge
Yes
coarse thunder
Because the 1.25x is very bad
formal valve
Imo I think the Uzi is hype in hardline
midnight nimbus
I've used a screendot ever since starting BF1
formal valve
Sure it has a slow reload
coarse thunder
It was good on the Sten until they fixed it
formal valve
Can we get a moment of silence for that^
solid hinge
I used it on the thompson for a bit until I got the better irons
Interesting to say the least
coarse thunder
@formal valve Since you use the K98k what in your opinion is the best sight for it
formal valve
Ehhhh
solid hinge
I use irons and 3x myself
solid hinge
Irons for aggressive cuz stripper clips
formal valve
^
solid hinge
3x for semi agressive
formal valve
Yeah
coarse thunder
I want to try irons but irons bolt actions in bf5 id double torture
hoary cradle
Should I download back bfv?
hoary cradle
Hmmm
coarse thunder
Why did you uninstall it in the first place
hoary cradle
It was boring
coarse thunder
Boring how?
hoary cradle
No new dlcs and battle Royale wasn’t even out at the time
hoary cradle
I might download back because I have premium
solid hinge
Nothing really changed since
hoary cradle
And also i love the choppers in bf4
coarse thunder
Well there's a grand total of 1 new map and one exclusive mode map
coarse thunder
Al sundan
solid hinge
Legit forgot it existed
hoary cradle
Yeah I don’t really like the maps and I don’t have much friends who play bfv
coarse thunder
Mercury is overall, al sundan is for sqc if I remember so
hoary cradle
Plus I like a more modern setting
solid hinge
Mercury is a very small map
Poor obj layout too
So if you didnt enjoy the base game of bf5
No point in coming back yet
I’d come back in september when they release the pacific maps
hoary cradle
I have low expectations for the next battlefield
rich ember
"I didn't expect anything, and yet i'm still disappointed."
hoary cradle
Is bf1 already dead?
solid hinge
Probably not even close
hoary cradle
Really?
solid hinge
I went back myself a week or so ago and found a game instantly
Lots of level 120+ as well
solid hinge
Many do
hoary cradle
Do you guys know where I can find a bf4 clan?
I have almost 700 hours on bf4 and have never joined a clan
unique mango
hey i need help
sorta
playing bf1
just downloaded it
im on the
first war story
i've gotten to the point where you leave the tank for the second time
(after finch dies)
is there anything i should look out for?
like
documents n shit
steel agate
There are youtube videos, they're very helpful. I think that most people use them
unique mango
come on im just stopping for a piss break
steel agate
For everything like walkthroughs and documents
steel agate
I'm serious, there are yt videos that do a walkthrough
steel agate
you're asking a very open ended question
steel agate
There are lots of stuff to collect
The videos on youtube literally tell you where to go and check, I'd use that
I'm giving you the best advice.
I don't have an encyclopedic memory... I forgot everything from BF1, I finished all of that over 2 years ago. Keep that in mind for most people that are playing BFV currently.
short pecan
seems like all the singleplayer rewards are bugged? i did Nordlys and last tiger and neither of them yielded their respective reward
so annoying
also funny thing i did the first mission of Nordlys a while back and got all 4 letters, I did it again today because i hadnt completed one of the challenges and now it shows that I only got 3/4 letters?
short pecan
will do
steel agate
It works for all issues concerning missing letters, rewards, etc.
short pecan
so i have to play through that shit all over?
christ
yeah nah, not gonna do that hope they'll fix it soon but I doubt it since the bug seems to be there since launch
icy sluice
For one gamemode, dasalotofplayers
rich ember
Hmmm..
true forum
I don't have the permissions to post the image for some reason lpl
It's pretty intresting though
midnight nimbus
BF4 MAA made me love vehicles again wtf
rich ember
``The subtitle style matches Bad Company’s general aesthetic, a plain white font in addition to a soft green outline. Further to this, the tone also seemingly resembles the Bad Comapny series. However, there’s always the possibility of this snap being from another FPS title.
Additionally, the text featured on the bottom appears to be directly straight on, which probably wouldn’t be the case if you’re taking a photo. If this was legitimately a snap, it’s likely the text would be slanted in some way, shape or form.``
actually
wait
``UPDATE – July 26 at 10:30PM BST:
It appears as though this was actually an image taken from a film and the text was implemented onto the image via Photoshop.``
that's that mystery solved
rich ember
also looking at the post, the image was hosted on a site that deletes whatever's hosted on it after a few hours or a day, and the reddit account associated with it has been deleted.
rich ember
and of course i can't find whatever evidence was used to determine it was fake because there was at least 7 different fucking leaks
midnight nimbus
I've lost faith in the next BF being hype
icy sluice
They've definitely learned from that launch trailer
rich ember
In fact, SpielTimes's article is the only article i can find on it without reverse image search.
rich ember
too many
icy sluice
deadly leaks
true forum
Also Sweden offers preorders of PS5 for $1050 Surley that's not the new console price pointa
rich ember
but yeah, the leak is fake, even if i can't find the specific film that screencap was taken from, the text was clearly edited on after the fact.
scenic hamlet
yo i have a question regarding bf4
is it possible to get veteran battlepacks now? do i need to buy bf3?
coral fiber
Ahhh i want to play on marita already
visual blade
Ikr
icy sluice
Tomorrow
midnight nimbus
soloing the AC-130 with the MAA in BF4 😩
man what a masterpiece of a salt mine vehicle
scenic hamlet
can you get veteran battlepacks in bf4 anymore?
icy sluice
You uhh, you need to leave tho
scenic hamlet
ok
rocky verge
@icy sluice no
If someone is on the other team you can just join game and if they dont have a full squad you can join
coral fiber
^
Like immediately too
rich ember
You're already in that session
orchid shore
rocky verge
It works when someone doesn't have a full squad
If they have a full squad then yeah it wont work
formal valve
Well, that’s enough reddit for today guys
icy sluice
Something happen?
formal valve
Yep
Let me quote this guy real quick
“Why do people think Nazi Germany wanted to invade the world and exterminate all non white blonde blue eyed people. Lmao is so moronic”
That’s is enough reddit for today
rich ember
hold up-
echo glen
formal valve
^ me
rich ember
i saw that sentence for like .5 seconds before going to a different server and i was incredibly thrown off
icy sluice
Why do people think the point of the Manifest Destiny was to claim more land?
formal valve
Wehraboos are in another level of thinking
echo glen
Seems like we got either a little wehraboo or NN
rich ember
can we just call 'em neo nazis
echo glen
Oh
formal valve
They’re so fucking Thick Skulled
echo glen
I thought it would get blacklisted
rich ember
wehraboo is a bit light for something like this
rich ember
That's a neo-nazi, Robert.
rich ember
They're the same thing.
echo glen
Wehraboos are memers who believe that Germany could win WW2 and refuse to believe otherwise and they meme about it as well. The NNs actually advocate for an actual revival to the way of thinking
formal valve
Like I’m a guy who defended Italian soldiers in the SS because they were forced to join
The fucking SS
But this guys on another level
What the fuck
formal valve
That’s not what I was saying
rich ember
@echo glen I see no significant difference here because that would essentially lead to the same result
formal valve
I was defending Italians who were merged into the german military after Italy fell
Not german fascist
Italian Fascism not even close to german fascism
Like not even close
rich ember
i mean, obviously not ideal.
formal valve
That’s like comparing a Day Care to a fucking maximum security prison
echo glen
Well I'd say the NNs are hardcore while wehraboos do it jokingly @rich ember
But a wehraboo can grow to become a NN
formal valve
The Italians weren’t really racist like the Germans
They did implement anti Semitic policies
Only after Germany made them
rich ember
@echo glen yeah, and that's basically what i'm saying, they're incredibly receptive to that, and that's not a good thing.
Also their joke sucks.
formal valve
And even then, they weren’t very severe to Italian Jews
echo glen
Well in general, behavior like that is bad so we can agree on that @rich ember
echo glen
Bald boi in Italy just wanted to fulfill his power dream of recreating the Roman Empire
formal valve
https://twitter.com/pillzsufrie/status/1155712220115771392?s=21 here’s a friend of mine who’s dealt with him
@echo glen fails to invade Greece twice
rich ember
Like, this kinda thing happens a lot. Mainly on 4chan, but there are other places where this happens as well. It always starts as a joke with these people but then they actually start believing this shit
it's like jokingly being racist.
formal valve
These people are just stupid
rich ember
sure you may think it's a joke but eventually you'll just start believing this shit
solid hinge
rich ember
hello.
solid hinge
morning
rich ember
don't mind us, we're just having a discussion.
formal valve
Nice emote lol
fiery jungle
Good night
rich ember
what subreddit is this anyway
formal valve
III don’t know man
echo glen
I feel the WW2 or BFV subreddit but
formal valve
I mean some dude just posted something. About imaging a map with the US entering Berlin, even though he’s sorely mistaken
rich ember
If this is the BFV subreddit then mods aren't doing their job.
formal valve
I don’t know which sub it is actually
I’d assume BFV since that’s where my friend in that tweet hangs out
rich ember
I would argue in either case that mods aren't doing their job because this person doesn't seem pleasant to talk to.
echo glen
Banish him to r/wehraboosinaction or smth
rich ember
I donno. I only look at like, 4-5 subs and none of them are even close to that, except maybe /r/gunporn. but i've only seen one stupid post on there and that was removed for being low quality.
no i don't remember what it was. it was some macho bullshit anyway.
rich ember
natural evolution of holocaust deniers i'd say
echo glen
"See kids, this is why you stay away from the internet sometimes."
echo glen
Anyway I'll be going, see you around fellas
formal valve
Like lmao
rich ember
not that i particularly want to, because that's not anything i'm interested in
formal valve
It’s not good at all lmao
rich ember
i can't say i'm surprised.