And the terrain isn’t just desert terrain, it could be salt marshes or grassland areas.
#battlefield-legacy-titles
upper vault
solid hinge
Although personally I would want a squad mod
Because at the same time '83 has a community which wants only wars which are american centered
Iran-Iraq is none of that
upper vault
Yeah,
midnight nimbus
FPS is a more western genre anyways
upper vault
It wasn’t a boring war at all
It was a scary war,
With all that toxic gas used to kill infantry,
And civilians,
solid hinge
I mean it was their most destructive conflict
Quick question can I buy epic tides of war cosmetics in the shop for company coins ?
one of the worst ones in the middle east save WW1 and WW2
upper vault
The bombing of factories in yhe cities miles away from the frontlines.
upper vault
I don’t think you can buy Baron Von Zorn anymore Emre
marble phoenix
yea Baron Von was like 2 chapters back now
solid hinge
I wonder if that would be a moral point in a game
like WW1 and WW2 used minors too
and they don't show any minors in BF1
upper vault
Dang,
marble phoenix
got damn, 8?
solid hinge
I'm 90% sure alot of the frontline combatants were probably 14 - 18
just like Iran-Iraq
alot of the parallels between both wars are pretty obvious
upper vault
Also a lot of cities were bombed that were not that close to the frontlines
upper vault
True,
solid hinge
Iraq lost the most
Iran at least still exists today
Iraq has nothing left of the war
upper vault
Vietnam has games based off of it
BFV, Rising Storm 2, etc,
But this war has no games based off of it
I don’t think DICE might make it because they need to add gas if they do,
And since that’s breaking the Geneva convention they might not,
solid hinge
audience would be too small
upper vault
Idk,
solid hinge
Squad mod as I've said works because the Squad community cares more about tactics than settings
and they have middle eastern maps allready it's not like they'd be against the idea
upper vault
A squad mod based on that war would be cool.
coral fiber
This week in BFV is up
https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/cdm8qw/this_week_in_battlefield_v_july_15th_edition/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
There's not much tbh
upper vault
Is it possible to make a salt marsh in Squad? Sorry if I’m asking again.
Or does the terrain not exist for it?
warped pebble
are there battlefield like games that support bots
upper vault
I meant salt lake**
upper vault
I see
icy sluice
@warped pebble All refractor Battlefield games support bots
1942, 2, Vietnam, 2142...
strange dome
icy sluice
I think Ravenfield might be the only game out there actually
solid hinge
ravenfield?
upper vault
I think it’s BF spin-off or something
solid hinge
@icy sluice explain in great detail about ravenfield
dense bone
uhhhh, english please
rotund sentinel
They've done me... Sanitater!
icy sluice
I've been spotted?
rotund sentinel
In the midst of the battle, the Aufklärungssoldat Raptor himself made a grand appearance!
gray glade
and then he was bipodded by an mg42 corner camper
or allow us to change team to an enemy team if they are way fewer players
rotund sentinel
the machinegewehr slew the Aufklärungssoldat Raptor, feeling a moment of sadness, for the man she had once known...
gray glade
thats actually good bepis
rotund sentinel
"The enemy death star is not a reinforcement but a decoy so that when your whole team goes after it, the rest of them can capture all your flags"
gray glade
nothing like seeing teammates build fortifications on the wrong side of an objective
so they directly aids an enemy
dense bone
lol C in rotterdam when they block off their spawn side with sandbags
rotund sentinel
"Bayonet charges do not count as melee"
"Screaming, charging and missing by a few inches is not embarrassing at all"
"There's an upper limit as to how fast you can capture a flag by having more teammates on it, you do not need a whole team"
rotund sentinel
"Unusually high K/D ratio might mean cheating but reporting won't do a damn thing"
dense bone
i hate when im getting stomped but im doing fucking work
rotund sentinel
"There's nothing wrong with bipod deployment, we simply don't want you to camp"
rotund sentinel
"Panzers can see you putting down mines right in front of them"
"Camping enemy spawn beacons is encouraged, but make sure you have enough ammo"
rotund sentinel
"Ramming into planes is completely normal, you can't expect us to set up traffic lights in the sky"
orchid shore
i give DICE a chance to redeem themselves this week
grand haven
rotund sentinel
"Calling a game GG does not make it so"
dense bone
"Having a high KDR but low SPM and KPM doesn't mean you are good"
prime pine
There was the video of an asshole destroying a friendly AA
Its like.... How fucking thickheaded must you be.
On that mention. I might actually be able to get my mg34, VGO and m1922 mastery tags when rush comes out.
coarse thunder
Why does Mercury only have 200 tickets for breakthrough
The ground needed to cover between the objectives is 100+ meters with houses and crags and shit where people can hide in
prime pine
The ticket fine is kinda fine but the true problem is that not enough actually regenerates between sectors.
You only get a big regen back if you have <10 tickets left.
Rotterdam fixes itself straight up. As it gives you 100 200 tickets i believe for finishing the sector.
Lets not forget to mention that breakthrough does NOT favour tanks at all.
We NEED carrier assault in bf5.
Its conquest and rush
I wonder if it served the basis for frontlines
midnight nimbus
bruh breakthrough is the ultimate tanking mode
I just don't see how you can lose in breakthrough if your side gets more/better tanks
celest bison
anyone want to play team death match? I'll play other game modes also.
dense bone
!!lfg
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prime pine
Kht i say that in the sense of vehicle resupply stations. Yeah. Its fine. But there are some god awful sectors for that.
coral fiber
Ok i was using the staghound and put 4 shots and 4 rockets in a pacwagon
Mf didn't die lmao
I died somehow but i shot first
DICE PLS nerf pacwagons
Too op
opaque pawn
lol
fiery pier
solid hinge
that's because light tanks suck
they SUCK
anything the staghound can do the archer can do better
also the archer feels like its fucking immune to piats
Tfw you shoot 5 posts at an archer and they all glance
copper island
armor + dmg broken on that TD that's crazy
solid hinge
https://imgur.com/gallery/0tC2xJ8 This is the setting I want bfv to have. Berlin 1945, Germany is in ruins and is fighting to their last man. 4 German soldier walking around in any gear that was good enough to use. Ready to kill anyone for Germany. I know visibility is an issue, but if dice added a map with a setting like this, the soldier could be invisible for all I care. Which is funny because they already kind of are.
tardy atlas
The valentine is the best tank imo
solid hinge
i still use the staghound with the autocannon
i miss autocannons so much
why does a ww1 game have more autocannon action than a ww2 one
tfw got to live through the light tank era
good times..
back when autocannon tore apart tanks
staghounds could beat a tiger in a frontal fight
just like ww2...
Bruh Sherman v tiger 1v4
Good stuff
formal valve
That’s a myth
And yes Early WW2 the German armor was mostly made up of Pz.I and Pz.IIs
Which were equipped with autocannons
That’s why polish tanks could rek them in 1939
Cuz the Polish 7TPs has 37mm Bofors cannons
solid hinge
the consistent autocannon damage plus the fuckin camera shake
prime pine
Oh god the camera shake ahaha
solid hinge
the other tank literally couldnt shoot back because their vision was all over the place
It was brutal
prime pine
A sturmtiger cant fight back cause of the limited height
solid hinge
endless bully
solid hinge
When I got in a valentine AA for the first time the first thing I did was kill a tiger
it was.... insane
heavy tanks were SO shit
coral fiber
Omg same
I was laughing
Like this aint possible but back then AA tanks were ANTI ALL
prime pine
I mostly used AA tanks during rush
coral fiber
Oh boy
prime pine
Rush and fortress
coral fiber
Hello
twin current
When is the patch?
solid hinge
Late July
icy sluice
Soon
solid hinge
tm
what
rather, you cant purchase/reset your spec
so rip me who recently started playing it
solid hinge
Love that i can only play frontlines if im forced to play tdm. Love it. Tdm is such a great game mode. Who needs objectives anyway. Lets just spawn anywhere.
Tdm is the worst because of campers xd
I hope that when rental comes, you’ll be able to enable hardcore mode
No mini map or HUD
wary tapir
Just got info that the 2 new elites will be dropping in the next update with Marita
Next week patch is for Marita
However I'm not sure for the Al sundan conq
icy sluice
It has just occured to me that I have never been taken down while prone in this game
The two times that I have been meleed on my back, I have been saved
Both of them on Aerodrome no less
solid hinge
the animation is too damn Long
tfw proning on your back is an anti-bayonet strategy
gray saffron
just standing still is an anti-bayonet strategy. hit detection with bayonets can be so wonky sometimes 😦
icy sluice
That's the Lewis
icy sluice
Uhh...
The Horizontal Recoil is on the Right Side
Vertical is on the bottom
I don't see a point on the Improved Bipod if the Vertical Recoil mod does it better
prime pine
Havent had a good talk in battlefield for a long time
icy sluice
Shut up 
solid hinge
Bipods 😴
icy sluice
Fortifications 
icy sluice
You on Xbox?
strong pecan
Yeah
strong pecan
EduGer20
icy sluice
solid hinge
Any swedish players?
upper vault
BFV has so much opportunity.
fathom crown
im keeping my expectations for pacific extremely low
that way, if they out perform themselves, i'll be very satisfied
upper vault
My expectations are like a roller coaster
Sometimes they’re up
Sometimes they’re low
And rn it’s in the middle,
And we are only getting 3 maps for the Pacific by 2019
I mean by 2020*
And BF1 had way more maps by a year, weird.
The only thing I’m scared of
Is that I don’t wanna see Stukas in Iwo Jima
I don’t wanna see Spitfires in Iwo Jima
Idk if we are getting 14 vehicles
fathom crown
as i said, low expectations.
upper vault
Because if we are, that means we only get a fighter for the US.
fathom crown
I expect to see panzers and tigers on iwo jima
fathom crown
i expect to see american soldiers with british dialogue
upper vault
Lmao sushi chefs with katanas,
fathom crown
lol
upper vault
chop chop yes
I expect to not see Nanking as a map in BFV
I expect to not see an Eastern Theatre
I expect to not see bombers for the US
fathom crown
mhm\
upper vault
I expect to see Tiger tanks camouflaged with the beach due to its tan color,
I expect to see MMGs spraying everywhere
fathom crown
lmaoooo'
upper vault
God, I hate it when that happens
I’m on Fjell trying to capture something in Breakthrough
Them MMG bois are on the rooftops going BRRRRRR
Gunning down me brosquad
It gives me PTSD
I can’t say how many times I’ve died by those MMGs
They either have to nerf it
Well..
They just gotta nerf it
upper vault
Terrible visibility allows me to not see the prone people
solid hinge
but they never do it
upper vault
It’s hard to have fun with a shotgun when I’m being sprayed at,
solid hinge
that's the best way!!!
fathom crown
i mean if i sat back and shot at mmg's
upper vault
Unfortunately I suck at the enfield
solid hinge
Krag with a 6x scope under 50 metres is my favourite
with a bayonet and throwing knives you can hold your own up close
coarse thunder
I need to give the krag another chance. Along with all the other bolt actions now that I think about it
upper vault
Especially when I don’t play on PC,
Cause I don’t have a PC
But on a Xbox One and One S
upper vault
All I see is pixelated grey uniforms camouflaged with the ground itself
solid hinge
if I cant see them then I can light their positions up at least
solid hinge
shoot vaguely under the red triangle
fathom crown
honestly, the reason why people cant see is because how poorly the playermodels are designed
in bf1, i didnt even use 3d spotting much
upper vault
That is a reason too,
fathom crown
cause of how well they were designed
upper vault
I see player models easily
fathom crown
i could even spot what type of class they were
upper vault
I think it’s because reflections against soldier models are extreme
coarse thunder
I think someone on reddit gave a solid explanation of why soldier lighting is bad
upper vault
While in BF1 if they were in the light they were darker making it easier to see
At least on Nivelle nights
The soldier models are darker
Than the map
So I can see them running
fathom crown
@coarse thunder link?
upper vault
It’s more complementary
fathom crown
it was so easyto spot players on nivelle
coarse thunder
It was something about a combination of technical terms related to graphics and lighting.
coarse thunder
But mainly because the character lighting takes into account the environment lighting
I don't have it because it was awhile back
fathom crown
oh my gooooooooooood
upper vault
So it is the lighting
I think they tried to implement ray tracing so they focused on it
Since they focused on it too much
They forgot the visibility was terrible
prime pine
Huh.... Forgot i had to unlock the golden NYDAR Sight for the Karabin.
drifting marsh
yeet
prime pine
Like with all other semis
upper vault
Yeah it’s the player model lighting issue
gray saffron
i'd say it's because bfv is too detailed. particle effects, moving smoke clouds, debris. a lot of moving stuff is on your screen. now add in character that may or may not really move and it becomes hard to see.
upper vault
Actually
That could be a factor
But I think it’s the lighting
They probably tried a better lighting technique but ended up ruining the visibility
coarse thunder
Making your game potato is legitimately hacking lol
All grass turns into a solid green or yellow overlay
All branches and leaves disappear
All rubble combines to form a solid gray mass
coarse thunder
PM it since you can't send here
upper vault
Idk what’s wrong with the visibility
It’s just really hard to notice the players
Idk exactly why
compact oxide
Particles
Everything was flatter in BF1
Plus the uniforms and bodies stood out
Also no weird prone positions that look like a body and 3D spotting
But mainly the game being so darn noisy
upper vault
Yes particles
But there should be a difference
Between a rock
And a German printing
Proning*
coarse thunder
Well then take away soldier customization
upper vault
The easiest way to fix this is to introduce standard issue uniforms and remove cosmetics.
Yeah exactly
Remove cosmetics
Bring bright white uniforms for snow maps
Actually nvm,
Not white uniforms,
Detailed dark grey uniforms for snow maps,
Since the rock is being lit from the fight, and the soldier is prone with a dark grey uniform
It’s easier to distinguish...
IDK I’m thinking of a way
I got it
I GOT IT
So the picture I have shows that there is light on the map, but the player’s hands are still dark
The player is not in shadow
gray saffron
removing cosmetics won't do snap. the uniforms would still blend in well with the environment. watching axis feldgrau uniforms in urban maps would be just as a disaster as it is now. it has to be done with shading. rim lighting doesn't really work atm since it's still white vs fairly bright areas. it works great in dark areas, but on maps like narvik? not that much
upper vault
But the player’s hands are still dark
Oh.
OH.
I knew it
BFV has too many robes
Most German uniforms are just a shirt with a vest,
With other equipment
Like how it was in BF1
But most uniforms I see has this robe,
Coats, etc
So I think that if they change the player models and make the uniforms have a dark green tint like they should, it could work.
gray saffron
but the brits are also dark green
upper vault
Brits should be bright tan
But most Brit uniforms
In BFV
are resistance lookin’ mercenary ones
Like dead man’s hand hoodie or whatever it’s called
Brown coat from the recon class,
The British should look more like the BF1 ones,
Instead of being green the entire time,
gray saffron
but are you having issues identifying characters as allies or axis or problem with noticing them in the first place?
upper vault
Both actually,
gleaming monolith
upper vault
5-10m away from my player model, all I see is pixels,
gleaming monolith
Since launch I never had any problems identifying characters
upper vault
I have that issue sometimes,
gleaming monolith
This whole visibility issue is something I never understood
upper vault
Confuses me for a second
So many cosmetic items makes most player models look different
gleaming monolith
Except when people are hiding in bushes or prone ofc
upper vault
It’s just easier when there is one uniform and they are all wearing the same one,
gray saffron
yeah me neither. it doesn't matter if they're brown or green. the outfits are fairly distinguishable. i usually have more trouble with characters blending in with the enviroment due moving scenery and particles etc
upper vault
Dead Man’s hand isn’t that distinguishable from a distance
gleaming monolith
I mean, if I see a silhouette I'm gonna shoot it regardless of their uniform
quiet acorn
I can tell by skin color and stahlhelm
upper vault
I wish I could tell by stalhelm,
quiet acorn
The default character is whiter than Micheal jackson
gray saffron
there's also a blue dot ontop of your teammates, that's quite a tell as well
upper vault
Ik there’s a blue dot,
Maybe I should make the icons larger, idk
The uniforms should have a dark green tint to it at least
quiet acorn
I have my neutrals set to magenta
upper vault
So I can tell a difference between a German and a rock
quiet acorn
Thier brains are the same
upper vault
This screenshot I found on reddit explains the problem
quiet acorn
Yeah but setting icons to extravagant colors helps when distinguishing objectives
upper vault
I should set it to green
quiet acorn
Yet again
upper vault
Since it’s the most vibrant color the human eye can see
quiet acorn
I have mine set to magenta
steel agate
good idea hanz
gray saffron
i just use standard colours like a pleb ;D
quiet acorn
It's a little hard to get used to but after a while it's really good
White just blends in with the sky
upper vault
I’m wondering that if CoD WW2 didn’t exist what BFV could have become
solid hinge
I‘m colorblind so it all looks the same to me
midnight nimbus
i set everything to the most neon as shit colors in settings
solid hinge
More like shades of gray
upper vault
BFV shouldn’t have tried to show something “new” but rather go with the standard uniforms
Visibility could have PROBABLY been better if they went with that dark greenish tint of the uniform for Germany
gray saffron
but yeah, fjell is terrible for visibility. always has been. even green outfits wouldnt fix it though worldz. because the brits blend in just as well as axis does. and the rim lighting fix they added doesnt help much on these kind of maps (not sure if the screenshot is made before or after that tweak) since its still a dark object + white shading on a map with dark objects with white snow outlines.
upper vault
“Hey guys lets put a map on a mountain with MMG heaven to see how it goes.”
solid hinge
I wish they made a map out of the firestorm map
amber bough
Anyone wanna play Battlefield 4?
upper vault
Halvoy just looks great man
quiet acorn
Firestorm was a mistake
solid hinge
It’s so fun except the only game mode is Firestorm
amber bough
@quiet acorn yeah it was
solid hinge
The map is great tho
quiet acorn
Battlefield was not made for battle royale
gray saffron
we'll probably have to wait 8 months before they start turning halvoy into mp maps ;D
upper vault
But the map just looks nice, except the fact that there are too many extremes
quiet acorn
Infact I think that's why they are putting so little into it
I think they thought that Firestorm was going to be super popular like fortnite so when it backfired they had no idea what to do
upper vault
Can’t wait for Panzers on Iwo Jima tbh.
Or some Spitfires
Maybe some British bomber planes
quiet acorn
I'm scared of kamikazes
upper vault
I can’t wait for sushi chefs with katanas
Screaming Banzai while chopping players up
Available as an Elite for 950 Boins
quiet acorn
It's gonna suck being on the japanese side because half your teammates are killing themselves and in the American side it's going to be hell because planes are crashing everywhere
upper vault
Nickname: Teppanyaki
gray saffron
temporyal already found japanese and american vehicles in the stuff, so i doubt they'll use british and german stuff in places they don't belong
upper vault
hanz do you know if the vehicles are strictly limited to American and Japanese?
Oh Ik they did
quiet acorn
They probably are
gray saffron
i want to see the p38j 😦
upper vault
You talking diving?
quiet acorn
kamikaze
upper vault
Oh god,
quiet acorn
You won't need bombers
gray saffron
i do see a lot of people already practicing their jap moves ;D
upper vault
What if a JB-2 stuck to a zero plane and started going down towards an American attack ship.
gray saffron
japs idea for jb-2 were just man flown bomb planes.
gray saffron
Yokosuka MXY-7 Ohka
upper vault
If War Thunder can add a good amt. of vehicles in less time, I don’t get why BFV can’t, somethings wrong here.
Maybe they’re focusing on other stuff
steel agate
Ho 229 and B29 Enola Gay are the only ones I really care about 😄
upper vault
The Ebola Gay
Is the best
I want an Enola Gay with a little boy strapped to it
Or even better, Fat Man
steel agate
Basically a server admin nuke like in BF4, but permanently game ending
upper vault
But nukes are really terrifying in multiplayer... considering F76
Wait,
There was a server admin nuke in BF4?
gray saffron
all squads request it and the server explodes
upper vault
Oh.
I want Heavy bombers to make a return
Especially since it’s WW2, please DICE
the B-29s
steel agate
Yeah BF4 private server matches had admins that nuke teams
Nuke meaning one side auto dies
not an actual nuke animation
upper vault
Wait
Is
Is DICE not releasing much maps because it’s harder to make a BFV map than a BF1 map?
upper vault
Alright so I searched up the maps that most people like in BF4 and BF1
And most of them are urban maps
We need some more urban gameplay
Especially the Last Tiger nighttime city map
Stalingrad would be so great
St. Quentin Scar had a town, a no man’s land, trenches, a hill
Other stuff
Welp I’m gonna go
thorn heart
Has anyone realized theres no fucking boats at all in bfv
topaz dome
prime pine
The Schwimwagon!
thorn heart
Even BF1 had this shit on launch and that was 1918
prime pine
Anyone remember boats in BFH? Hahaha. There was even a syndicate assignment for that to get a golden crowbar.
prime pine
The rare reload animations.
It may of been the least popular game. But hell at least it tried to be funny.
prime pine
I kept playing it but yeah, Its death was tragic.
thorn heart
If it wasnt called a battlefield series game i think it wouldve been successful as its own franchise
because its definitely not a battlefield in any sense
prime pine
It tried to be both worlds
thorn heart
all the diehard fans just wanted to play operation meatlocker siege poolf shanghai goldmud railway 24/7 max tickets
prime pine
It was quite funny picking up nail guns and killign them with it.
OH GOD
I just remembered something
I was talking to my friend while i was playing battlefield hardline, I said to her "Oh shit i got shot by a nail gun" and cause there was no context i ended up freaking her out hahaha.
But yeah
orchid shore
is it true that you can get ton of XP from playing frontlines?
twin current
Yes
orchid shore
how long is per frontlines round?
icy sluice
10 minutes
midnight nimbus
man how is BF4 so much harder than V
i guess everyone's a sweat now
but i had to get my tryhard pants on just to get a 3 K/D
coral fiber
Because tryhards
midnight nimbus
it's fun though
still had my BFV muscle memory on and made so many dumb mistakes
coral fiber
You're not alone lol
midnight nimbus
feels like everyone in PC NA just plays for the infy sweats now
really had to jumpshot a lot
prime pine
Huh.... Fw 190 was a thing.
Didnt know there was another... Fighter?
Yeah
There was the fighter variant and the ground attack variant.
solid hinge
Battlefield 4 grand operations would be cool
Actually bf4 maps should have a briefing loading screen
midnight nimbus
oh god no pls
that cinematic took so long before you can skip it
i just wanted to do something useful, like change my loadouts
upper vault
I remember that loading screens in BF1 operations also bumped up the atmosphere
Talking about the battle
How it was
coral fiber
Kill 25 enemies while hipfiring
With a DMR
Karabin doesn't deserve this :(
upper vault
when does the karabin challenge end?
coral fiber
6 is the last
compact oxide
copper island
Eu times, bed time
coral fiber
I just wanna know the emblem i applied doesn't show up on my vehicle or weapon
It should
solid hinge
your platoon emblem is blocking it, BF V gives any platoon emblem priority
coral fiber
Ahh ok
solid hinge
and overrides BF 4 & 1
solid hinge
make your own platoon or stop representing any platoon
coral fiber
Ok thx
solid hinge
yvw
coral fiber
It worked
thorn heart
bfv emblem system sucks
bronze grotto
dice server crashes before a match completes? ok dice
coral fiber
Watched a few bf4 vids
Now i see why admins are toxic af hahaha
No this, no that, mods get heli priority, like wth ok
midnight nimbus
the RSP pill
solid hinge
I don't see it that often these days
and even then that's not a good enough reason to remove RSP
nor should it ever be
the problem with BF4 was that it's RSP was too lenient
literally the solution to that is to develop a system which doesn't allow you to abuse shit
latent bridge
RSP is coming in September right?
coral fiber
Yes
solid hinge
I don't get why people want that so bad
solid hinge
5v5
there's zero market for that in a BF game
why not, I dunno, make a mode which tests the open scale combat of Battlefield
compact oxide
I don't know why people are looking forward to the BFV """""RSP"""""
latent bridge
I really wanna see RSP
latent bridge
Yeah
compact oxide
It isn't actual RSP though
latent bridge
But they dare not fuck it up
solid hinge
Isn't it just rebranded?
compact oxide
Because EVERYONE can make a server we'll be flooded with crap
compact oxide
Yes
midnight nimbus
I want competitive BF, idt 5s is it
compact oxide
It's a blessing and a curse
midnight nimbus
don't want some shitty siege or CS clone
compact oxide
16v16 can be comp
latent bridge
Why is it always 64players?
midnight nimbus
I do want a pedestal for top players to sit on
latent bridge
Can they increase it?
midnight nimbus
16v16 is too big for comp
midnight nimbus
cheese tactics become a big problem
midnight nimbus
64p is already clustery enough
solid hinge
50v50 but only on certain maps imo
midnight nimbus
tbh
compact oxide
Firestorm 
solid hinge
On stuff like panzerstorm it's too little
compact oxide
Why not just make Battlefield MMO
midnight nimbus
24-48p is where i always had the most fun in BF
solid hinge
Planetside 2 lmao
latent bridge
I mean a few players on close quarter maps and large numbers on large maps
solid hinge
Planetside 2 is just BF tank battles but so much better
midnight nimbus
actually 40p was probably the sweet spot for me in BF
i'd take 40p experiences over 64p every day of the week
solid hinge
40p is a sweet spot for breakthrough
midnight nimbus
BF1 shock ops
solid hinge
40p - 64p should be aimed for Frontlines
midnight nimbus
32-48ish player Blood Money
latent bridge
Also if Op Underground is coming in October, then it’s coming with Chapter 5 cause it releases at that time?
solid hinge
4 initial pacific maps
midnight nimbus
32p Frontlines was ideal, idk if it needs 40p, but 40p would be fine
latent bridge
Getting confused
midnight nimbus
i absolutely don't want 64p frontlines
solid hinge
I mean
the map size is pretty large
and it solves the issues conquest has with backcapping
with everyone on a centralized point you can have some good battles
and to top it off
compact oxide
It'd be awful tbh
latent bridge
Is operation underground just a underground map?
solid hinge
you also have the same degree of freedom conquest offers
midnight nimbus
64p mosh on one obj
compact oxide
Frontlines is good with less
midnight nimbus
ew
compact oxide
Sounds like Grind
solid hinge
Isn't that breakthrough though?
midnight nimbus
Frontlines in BF1 was perfect
the worst breakthrough sectors are the 1 flag ones
midnight nimbus
it's 3
solid hinge
if this is the case then 40p should be max
compact oxide
Aerodrome with the C flag on breakthrough 
midnight nimbus
32p Blood Money on Bank Job isn't just the best Battlefield experience I've ever had, it's the best FPS experience I've had, period
better than anything in any military BF
solid hinge
I think there should be an ideal ratio
which is calculated by (full area of map/ playercount)
midnight nimbus
personally, there is no good 64p for me
solid hinge
which rules out maps like metro
midnight nimbus
there's decent and tolerable ones, and there's shit
Metro as 32p only 😍
even 48 is clustery
solid hinge
Jesus fuck the people who actually want 64p for metro are degenerates
I think good 64p maps depend
It's all about level design
midnight nimbus
there's no good 64p map
coral fiber
No
midnight nimbus
only not shitty ones
coral fiber
I mean panzerstorm is a great example
solid hinge
which is ok but it doesn't mean that there are all shit maps
coral fiber
I just want al sundan cq
midnight nimbus
Arras 64p is tolerable
I mean I can list some 64p experiences I think are decent
but nothing is a standout FPS experience imo
Aerodrome Breakthrough on attack
coral fiber
Yes but in smaller maps like rotterdam it's a clusterfuck
midnight nimbus
Rotterdam breakthrough is surprisingly well laid out
coral fiber
It is tbh
solid hinge
tactics for rotterdam include demolishing the bridges
midnight nimbus
the 64p experience has never been polished or well thought out imo
idk demolishing the bridges isn't that relevant on Breakthrough imo
solid hinge
it can stall the attackers but yeah not that much
midnight nimbus
only time I played Rotterdam CQ was for a few rounds during beta before uninstalling
tribal cairn
You know a game that I returned to after I slowly getting more bored of BFV, that I haven't played in a long time? Insurgency.
It actually feels pretty refreshing
tribal cairn
I enjoy the tactical aspect of it. Bullets act like bullets, and health is pretty much just human flesh being human flesh
I love it for that
I don't put 50 bullets into a guy like in battlefield
midnight nimbus
it's a pretty relaxing game
I mean everyone moves super slow
you can one tap people to the face
tribal cairn
But it is supposed to be realistic, you gotta give it that
And it is satisfying to call in air support on a building
midnight nimbus
it's not a fun game to tryhard
but it's fun when you just wanna kill people and relax i guess
tribal cairn
Sound design is awesome as well
midnight nimbus
I bought sandstorm during the steam sale but i kind of regret it
I don't really want to play non Battalion 1944 shooters rn
aside from the occasional BF4 sweatfest
tribal cairn
Well, at least its fun for people like me who enjoy punishing people who mindlessly rush.
midnight nimbus
playing fast is so good in insurgency
tribal cairn
What do you run as security?
midnight nimbus
getting that peeker's advantage in a fast TTK game that everyone plays slow is 👌
tribal cairn
Yeah, I enjoy that advantage as well
The fast TTK is a big win for me, but it's a double bladed sword
midnight nimbus
I haven't even looked into insurgency mechanics much
I just pick MP5 or similar guns
gotta go quick
tribal cairn
I just rely on 3 things: Lean into corners, always fire the first shot in the firefight, and for god's fucking sake don't rush the middle of the street without looking.
solid hinge
I wish the characters in insurgency spoke their native language
solid hinge
Like when I play as insurgents or Arabian security forces I want to hear angry arabic
tribal cairn
That would be a nice immersion feature
Only problem is, you probably couldn't hear it over the Blackhawk shooting your guys through the roof and the constant suppression
midnight nimbus
insurgency spread isn't too bad, i just wonder what it's like while moving
spread aside, you can kinda play the game like CoD4 (but slower), which is nice
tribal cairn
Here's what I love about the Insurgency games,
They are more realistic than most games, but still retains a nice arcade feel to it
It's not like Arma,
warped pebble
For next gen
tribal cairn
But it ain't battlefield either
warped pebble
I’d like to see frostbite revamped
So that we could have bots on multiplayer matches
And make it more advanced
rich ember
I tried Sandstorm, but it didn’t run well so I refunded it.
tribal cairn
They're actually gonna release sandstorm for consoles by the end of 2019
midnight nimbus
Battalion 1944 fills empty spots on teams with bots
until people come in
great feature
warped pebble
What’s sandstorm
tribal cairn
Insurgency Sandstorm
midnight nimbus
also the bots are definitely better than average BFV player
tribal cairn
It's basically an arcade version of Arma
rich ember
With the same kinda performance.
tribal cairn
You know, speaking of Console,
Imagine if they ever release Squad for Consoles
It probably won't happen,
rich ember
So why imagine it
tribal cairn
But its nice to imagine
It's basically an accessible way to play Arma but not Arma without the need for a computer that's worth more than my house.
coral fiber
Lol
midnight nimbus
controllers are why milsim for console can't happen
not performance alone
BFV already has ~2x the number of controller inputs as CoD
BFV pales in comparison to milsim input count
lost pike
Usually those hardcore games require a lot of keys for input and it's way easier for on PC
and hotkeys, accesbility, etc
midnight nimbus
I hate having tons of inputs on games
rich ember
Who wants to play a milsim game anyway.
lost pike
Squad, Rising Storm 2, Red Orchestra series
tribal cairn
I actually enjoy the aspect of milsims
rich ember
Bunch of dumb bullshit.
midnight nimbus
I'll play insurgency at the most
tribal cairn
Yes it's very slow paced and drawn out,
midnight nimbus
i'd play squad to teamkill if it were cheaper
tribal cairn
But I enjoy the aspect of it
midnight nimbus
but yeah, I mostly wanna FAMAS jumpshot people in the face
rich ember
I don’t, it puts me to sleep
coarse thunder
I'd rather RO2 and RS/RS2 be ported to console
coarse thunder
Hell console already has verdun/tannenberg
tribal cairn
Wait they do?
rich ember
RS2 is ok tho I guess. Tried it during a free weekend and I could probably play it.
tribal cairn
Console has Verdun?
coarse thunder
I think so
lost pike
I l ove RS2 but it probably won't fit with the console crowd
midnight nimbus
insurgency is the best of the milsimmish games
bc you can still jumpshot
and play it fast
except most players are really bad at fps so playing fast is effective
warped pebble
Maybe if they do allow bots in battlefield they could remaster 3 and 4 for next gen
tribal cairn
I play a ton of R6S and I have a thing called common sense, and that's why I consider myself pretty decent at the game
midnight nimbus
the only outcome i really truly want for the BF series is to release BF5, a true successor to BF4
with hype infy play and actual fun vehicles
rich ember
“I play a lot of -insert popular game here- so I’m good”
midnight nimbus
BF5 would be the ultimate dream
midnight nimbus
because then people can forget about BFV
coarse thunder
Nah
tribal cairn
I think I'd enjoy Bad Company 3 as well
coarse thunder
People will say BFV was better than BF5
tribal cairn
But eh
rich ember
Honestly skillful infantry gameplay would be infinitely more valuable than vehicles.
midnight nimbus
i just want BF4 movement back
with BFV slide
it's funny how "casual" features in BF4 actually makes much sweatier gameplay
warped pebble
Isn’t bfv bf5
rich ember
No it’s different shut up
warped pebble
How
rich ember
Shut up that’s how
coarse thunder
bEcaUse oF thE V
solid hinge
midnight nimbus
BF5 would be a modern game to erase BFV from everyone's memory
just pretend BFV never happened
rich ember
You know what would be cool. Infantry only battlefield game with maps like the Close Quarters DLC from BF3, and Conquest Small being the main mode.
coarse thunder
Wishful thinking
midnight nimbus
then release BF2 after BF5, an actual good WW2 game, to erase refractor BF2 and BFV from everyone's memory
solid hinge
that wouldn't be battlefield then, it would be cod
midnight nimbus
would be the ultimate dream
coarse thunder
Lol
rich ember
@solid hinge but it would have battlefield’s gunplay and movement.
solid hinge
then dont call it battlefield
rich ember
No.
midnight nimbus
Battlefield Hardline was the ultimate hype
tribal cairn
Yes, I enjoyed running people over with a couch in Battlefield hardline
tribal cairn
So basically BF4 But cops and robbers and money?
midnight nimbus
i liked BF4 infy and scout heli
coarse thunder
Battle Bank 4
lost pike
Yep
midnight nimbus
BFH just cut out pretty much everything but those two things
solid hinge
not a new concept, dice did it first as a mod for BF vietnam, was fun
rich ember
Yeah and not taking itself seriously
midnight nimbus
also Blood Money is unequivocally one of the best FPS modes ever created
focused action, but tons of ways to play the objective and win
rich ember
Which I think is more of what FPS games need. Not taking themselves seriously.
solid hinge
and again we return to this binary concept of a FPS that some people have, why cant a game have many modes and aspects, why try force players to play something they dont enjoy just because you do
midnight nimbus
too many modes and aspects detracts from a good core focus
solid hinge
bs
midnight nimbus
and gives your game an identity crisis
coarse thunder
Niche games are created for that reason
solid hinge
its been done successfully many times
coarse thunder
Like all the ww2 milsims that just shat out when BF5 came out
midnight nimbus
lack of logical carryover in gameplay between your modes
it's not one game any more
it's a mess
you just created a fragmented mess with an equally fragmented community
not a great formula for longevity for your series
game series tend to die when the studio forgets what they were originally making
solid hinge
its like having a fast food outlet that used to have a great menu but now only sells vegan
avo burgers
midnight nimbus
I don't think that analogy applies
rich ember
I doubt DICE forgot, just that nobody wants what they were originally making anymore.
midnight nimbus
@rich ember DICE just went back to the wrong formula
thinking that refractor BF was the formula that made them successful
FORCED TEAMPLAY
solid hinge
sure it does, here I am trying to enjoy my old school cheese burger and a bunch of folks are protesting to management that they want beef off the menu
midnight nimbus
when in reality it was always BF3/4 that created the hype
solid hinge
not to mention this pining to remaster old games, like this BC3 hype is rubbish, do you think dice will release the same MP maps and a sequal to the campaign of bc2 when the end of that campaign makes it clear that there wont be follow on to that story .. those maps will look the same as they did in 2009 and that would flop badly. dont believe me, look at what happened to star wars now when JJ abrams basically remastered the original trilogy, fans hated it.. but fans want it "remastered"
give us a new game
not rereleased hype
rich ember
The BC3 hype is rubbish
midnight nimbus
yeah, I'd rather take a continuation of a great concept
rich ember
That’s the only part I agree with you on
solid hinge
then you get JJ abrams with lens flares
good luck with that
same story
its crap
thats why rogue one was the best of the new movies
no remastered crap
midnight nimbus
CoD and Halo became juggernauts in the FPS industry off continuous refinements of the same incredible concept
and stumbled when they overthought it
making something too new and revolutionary isn't always a good thing
let someone else create a fundamentally different game
but if you have something truly great, stick to it
rich ember
Bad Company being good is heavily reliant on the quality of writing, and the people responsible for its original success are not involved with it anymore. So asking for a sequel is not a good idea, because there’s no telling if it’ll be good or not.
midnight nimbus
yeah BC2 MP is garbage redeemed by excellent maps created for the modes
and that's literally it
also overrated af campaign
rich ember
I am just gonna pretend I didn’t read that
solid hinge
thats just it, its scripted, battlefield was never a scripted game. its like some people just cant deal with the concept of a wide open battlefield with no direction, no thread to follow, make your own thread
midnight nimbus
even relative to the time, the movement and gunplay weren't amazing
I don't care for the story in any BF game
"Battlefield was never a scripted game"
when some of its best game modes were literally put on rails to create better gameplay 🤔
rush was incredibly hype for a long time
until the concept was overthought
rich ember
Rush was overhyped to be honest
solid hinge
prior to BC 1 & 2 it had no script.. bf2142 had a single paragraph in the printed manual that set the scene, it had no campaign, similarly with BF1942, vietnam, BF2
midnight nimbus
squad rush was the birth of an actual hype competitive scene
rich ember
Due to lack of better game modes.
solid hinge
i enjoy rush as a mode but thats not why I play battlefield
midnight nimbus
squad rush was the good game mode for comp
solid hinge
BF1 seems conceptually a good mix on paper
midnight nimbus
obliteration replaced it in 4 for the most part
rich ember
I couldn’t tell you why I play Battlefield. I’d just be like “Something to do innit.”
midnight nimbus
but you needed that focused action
solid hinge
truth be told, rush always reminded me of titan mode in 2142 just without the titan
rich ember
Focused action, if by action you mean 70 million smokes and supports camping with IRNV staring at the objective
solid hinge
and I really enjoyed the occasional round of titan mode
midnight nimbus
game modes are just a way of funneling people together to shoot each other
the focused game modes always did that better
rich ember
And about 17 claymores around the objective all the time
rich ember
I don’t play rush at all, problem solved.
thorn heart
this is sad man
midnight nimbus
32p and smaller rush was awesome
thorn heart
after my steamroll 119 7 op the next op we absolutely stomped clean sweep no battalions wasted
were full of lvl 150s
rich ember
You’re cheatin
stoic breach
Woke Panzer IV tank camping
rich ember
Look at the size of it, it’s cheatin
thorn heart
we have the game on lockdown we have the heavy tank and assault tank lvl 150 max tankers putting doen the heat and then the heavy bomber spam to absolutely waste then