Lmao
#battlefield-legacy-titles
cinder radish
thorn heart
its wuite funny how bfv has more semi autos than bf1
fiery pier
And they’re easier to use lol
thorn heart
variants dont count
fiery pier
And Op
cinder radish
The only think i dont feel is balanced is Bombers. Takes ages for AA to hurt them. Then they come back full health next run. Ove and over. They do so much damage. And have no real threat except lucky shots of fighters. And fighters are weak and die in 1 pass by AA’s.
midnight nimbus
BF1 has more semi variety
cinder radish
Its hard to get planes off your tail.
fiery pier
Just fly 5head
cinder radish
Feels like BFV has more guns then BF1 in general
fiery pier
Lol what
thorn heart
the one thing i like about bfv is the return to base reload for planes
fiery pier
You must be smoking something
Which were breakable in the previous game
With melee weapons
cinder radish
Ive never seen a broken bottle, a pipe or baseball bat break wire before
cinder radish
Ive actually never seen a knife cut metal wire either
prime pine
Good fucking god. This team is full of idiots.
gray saffron
eh, with focus on fortifications i get that change
thorn heart
I feel like the only hype for bfv was people drooling over the mg42
cinder radish
Lmao. And you ask me what im smoking.
gray saffron
you spend 5 seconds making a wired fence and then some random guy comes and whips away your fortification 😦
fiery pier
I mean gameplay > realism
gray saffron
ohh wait
huh
i could've swear i still broke em with my melee... that's a bit mweh indeed if it is
thorn heart
I love how in the beta the fucking foritifcation system was broken on xbox
cinder radish
This isnt minecraft
gray saffron
well that was beta 🤷
cinder radish
Im dying to play some BFV roght now. But the kids playing Roblox 🤢
gray saffron
isn't there a bfv mode in roblox? they remake everything in that from what i gather
then you can just take turns with them ;D
prime pine
And the bot is over sensitive. What a big fucking surprise in this very day and age.
solemn wedge
Just don't say blacklisted words and your message won't get deleted.
quiet acorn
Party rockers in the house tonight
So it was a different server
There is some server where 'tonight' is blacklisted
gray saffron
well the night is dark and full of terrors, wouldn't want to see people talk about it either 😐
solid hinge
@quiet acorn They need to make mord big maps like that
quiet acorn
I like mercury
solid hinge
It's alright, but feels too small
quiet acorn
Mainly because the areas are closed off so you can't be sniped from the radio tower while in point D
solid hinge
I feel like the maps are getting smaller and smaller
quiet acorn
I don't like huge maps in bfv
solid hinge
First Mercury, then Al Sudan
quiet acorn
Areodome sucks ass
solid hinge
I got into the BF franchise because of the large scale battles
quiet acorn
I got into BF because the revolution edition of BF1 was on sale for $15
solid hinge
Lmao
quiet acorn
And then I bought bfv
solid hinge
I expected a lot more from BFV
quiet acorn
Me too
solid hinge
But, we got what we got
quiet acorn
I'm scared for the new Pacific theater
solid hinge
I'm scared and excites
quiet acorn
Not only because Japanese planes will be crashing everywherre every .6 seconds but also the bugs
solid hinge
excited*
I am hyped that it'll be coming, but the bugs that will be coming to scares me
solid sail
orchid shore
I'm really hoping DICE will fix the game over the two break months time period
September and October
Those two don't have Chapters until December
indigo crown
I wish they would just release all the content at once
At the start of the chapter we get the new maps and weapons
rocky verge
Is the assigment for the Ls/26 fixed? The kill 7 players under 50m? Or am I missing something beacuse it wont count
cerulean finch
please buff AA guns, they are useless
odd bear
Can we have firefly rather than valentine archer?
icy sluice
You mean "as well?" I doubt they're going to just remove a vehicle
prime pine
S-AA's are in a good spot
solid hinge
Which battlefield 5 game mode that give you alot of EXP
echo glen
Frontlines
coral fiber
High kills too 😭
formal valve
LMAO
icy sluice
tmw people want to be able to use a flare gun and an smg together
formal valve
This guy called my friend a Wehraboo and then a Nazi on reddit for wanting a actual tanker outfit
fluid tusk
shut up wehraboo
formal valve
icy sluice
Get out of here wehraboo 
fluid tusk
🙌🏽
fluid tusk
still a better flag than the stars and bars of the south
icy sluice
Fried Chicken 
fluid tusk
my grandmother is from mississippi
formal valve
Then again, I wouldn’t expect anything more from a guy who called Erwin Rommel a shitty general
rocky verge
worth to get every gun Mint?
formal valve
fluid tusk
basically, fuck anyone who defends the souths behavior from the civil rights era and prior
rocky verge
if your not talking about Battlefield in #battlefield-legacy-titles go to #general Wakka387
fluid tusk
im blaxican, bruv
orchid shore
LOL I was LITERALLY replayed "My Country Calling" in BFV and in the plane section the game wouldn't let me control my plane and it even allowed me to jump out of my plane...
fluid tusk
i never liked modern emoticons, they look like shit
you cant even tell what emotion they are expressing in the emoticon
rocky verge
fluid tusk
swear the two I posted are of people having duck lips
formal valve
He insulted me for thinking Rommel is a good general
Oh my god I can’t breath
MY SIDES
rocky verge
XD
fluid tusk
anf that just looks like a ring
@formal valve why are you posting a wedding ring emoticon?
formal valve
rocky verge
rocky verge
fluid tusk
text too small, is that for ants?
mild coral
Yes
orchid shore
i cannot PLAY BFV after that INTRO anymore
mild coral
I see it perfectly well
orchid shore
the plane section literally did not allowed me to take control of my plane and the game even yeeted me out of my plane
formal valve
Dude rip Rommel
prime pine
Wehraboo?
formal valve
Guys
rocky verge
Wakka387 mind HaTe Everything guys I wIlL be So KeWl HeHeHhE
formal valve
You gotta feel bad for Rommel because he goes home on June 5th 1944 for his wife’s birthday on the 6th
prime pine
Yikes
prime pine
Its better than his family facing humiliation
rocky verge
oof
prime pine
But still sad
mild coral
Chilling on the gun in a plane and all of a sudden it starts to downward spiral and I’m like wow this pilot is trying some new manoeuvres then I realise there is not pilot
formal valve
I’m not talking about his suicide
rocky verge
i need to unlock the 50 cal explosive rounds but i went on the side for paratroopers
formal valve
I’m talking about he went on leave the day before D-Day for his wife’s birthday and then literally gets a call that night hat Paralads be Landing in Normandy
rocky verge
level 3 only 1 more level away then reset
formal valve
Pretty much
Has a birthday on the eve of the largest invasion in history, goes home just as the first American Paratrooper lands behind the Atlantic Wall and the British are about to turn into sneaky bois to capture Pegasus Bridge
formal valve
I think so
prime pine
It would do REALLY well for a breakthrough thinking of it.
Or an outpost
For a grand op
formal valve
Who would win:
A garrison of German Infantry
Some sneaky lads from the 6th Airborne
prime pine
Cause imagine taking over the bridge and in the next day you had to defend.
So the defenders become the attackers
Haha
rocky verge
germans in other village close byHmm gun fire Hans? Eh maybe target practice totally not a invasion
formal valve
The Chad 6th Airborne vs the Virgin 1st Airborne
rocky verge
fight for king and country Brits lads:eh HQ:....Fight for TEA Brits lads: FIGHT TO THE LAST MAN
prime pine
Playing cod 2 made me realise that dice can make some real fucking good grand ops. Cause one of the mission you need to open a way for the American tanks.
formal valve
6th Airborne:
turn into sneaky bois and capture Pegasus bridge
successfully hold bridge
kill tank with Piat
1st Airborne:
lands 12 Miles from Arnhem
can’t hold Arnhem Bridge
Miss single tank with Piat launcher multiple times
3/4s of the unit is killed or captured by the end.
need the Poles help to escape across the river
prime pine
Imagine a grand op where winning the first the day granted your team greater amount of tanks
An actual reward
solid hinge
well the piat is/was trash, that wasn't a kill just a mobility kill
solid hinge
remove the word rocket and you have it
prime pine
A glorified spring launcher
solid hinge
hello 😄
prime pine
How you been?
formal valve
It’s a tragic irony that the first major action of the 1st ended up being their last
3/4 of the division was killed or captured by he end of Operation Market Garden
rocky verge
2x1000 bombs? hmmmmmmmmmmm red eye british plane noise
oh tanks where are you hiding?
prime pine
Operation market garden... Havent paid attention to that.
Did they have to take a bridge?
fluid tusk
spent time with my little nephew a bit ago
formal valve
Tho 90% of the Operation was successful
solid hinge
good thanks, need more sleep but, I'll live.. and you
fluid tusk
such a good baby
autumn nest
rocky verge
was it bad beacuse some british general wanted to be more famous? then a American general and failed
or am i mistaken (remembered from a video)
prime pine
Oh my god those casualties
formal valve
No, it was a extremely foolish gamble to end the war early
fluid tusk
@rocky verge what about my mind?
prime pine
Ive been rather good celes... Sleep is very good.
fluid tusk
may I ask, how old are you? @rocky verge
rocky verge
4 tries away from max TOW
formal valve
drop paratroopers at three locations
drive up a single highway through occupied Holland to relive them
indigo crown
I have a feeling microsoft payed ea a lil bit to release the patch for xbox early
autumn nest
Maybe
rocky verge
@formal valve angry german tank noises
prime pine
What patch
indigo crown
the hotfix
fluid tusk
🤷🏽 im ignored, anyway being born in 92 is great
prime pine
The hotfix was done just for xbox for crashes
autumn nest
Speaks in Panzer IV @rocky verge
indigo crown
ok boomer
rocky verge
yells in Sherman
fluid tusk
boomers were born in the 50s after World War 2
formal valve
Montgomery: I’ve never lost a battle
1st Airborne Veteran: Am I a joke to you?
prime pine
Annihilates in heavy churchill
fluid tusk
autumn nest
prime pine
Hey you know what we need
indigo crown
it's a joke
fluid tusk
Baby boomers (also known as boomers) are the demographic cohort following the Silent Generation and preceding Generation X. The Baby Boom generation is most often defined as those individuals born between 1946 and 1964
prime pine
Paradropped tanks
formal valve
indigo crown
a meme
prime pine
Like in bf3 with the LAV's.
autumn nest
Oh yeah
indigo crown
I know
prime pine
'99 here!
formal valve
03 lmao
autumn nest
02 
fluid tusk
im sorry you grew up after 911 and columbine happened
indigo crown
now you're really acting like a boomer
prime pine
A grand op where you guide a flying fortress sounds good in theory but crap in reality.
rocky verge
@formal valve weird i saw a video where a British general wanted to be more famous then american general that did something (i forgot what) maybe the video was a lie
autumn nest
Yeah imagine B-17s in Battlefield
rocky verge
@prime pine Did the russians try flying tanks also wasent the loches very light and can be dropped by gliding? (screwed up that typing)
fluid tusk
🤔 anyone here from 2005 4chin? or is it just me?
rocky verge
market garden wheres are support...uh sir theres flying tanks
Russians playing Bias out of tanks flying by
rocky verge
i miss battlefield 2 modern combat and Cod 3
fluid tusk
🤔 i think everyone born after 1989 had doom as a childhood
prime pine
So when i think of it. There are so many things that can be dne fore the brits.
indigo crown
'cept for the christian kids
prime pine
Nah there are people my age that question was doom was.
fluid tusk
christian kids have it the worst, forced into something by their parents without a choice
same with any religion tbh
prime pine
Since i was young i asked my parents "Mum, Dad. Why does the imp dance when i use the chainsaw on him?"
I was fucking 2
fluid tusk
i hate church, too much hypocrisy. then again I grew up going to black people churches
not the weird cult-like otherpeople churches
rocky verge
i stopped back in 2010 and half my family is christain but i still play vilotent games
aint that crazy religion
there chill (almost all the time)
fluid tusk
in 2004 I was a heavy Resident evil and Silent hill fan... been that way since the late 90s
fluid tusk
used to do online stuff relating to RE back in 04-05
hell, back when Yahoo Geocities sites had Resident Evil Roleplay boards
fluid tusk
Wakka387 I made back in 2005, for a final fantasy forum. Its based on Wakka from FFX.
prior to that, I used the names Ss4gogeta0 (2004/2005) & Jsonic3000 (2003/2004)
Ss4gogeta0 was also one of the names I used on Battlefield 1942 & Battlefield Vietnam
stoic breach
Strange lore
fluid tusk
internet lore
fluid tusk
they use flight sticks
fluid tusk
yea
stoic breach
I should play Battlefront 2 classic with a flight stick
indigo crown
cool
stoic breach
Since the flying physics in that are better than BFV
fluid tusk
used to be a tutorial on gamespy, but thats long dead
indigo crown
learning to fly used to be hard
fluid tusk
forums were the places to be back in the day
not as instant as chats, but generally you would get reliable info between all the shitposts
also the old terminoligy from back then
taikes me back to the frag days on UT99
compact oxide
Urban terror? 
That was my first fps tbh
Ripoff Counterstrike with weird walljumping physics
fluid tusk
i remember uurban terror, didnt it have vehicle stuff
indigo crown
first fps was starship troopers
forget what game
but ibeleive it's just starship troopers
fluid tusk
depends on mine, we talking arcade FPS or actual FPS?
indigo crown
like light gun games?
fluid tusk
yup
indigo crown
i think they're just light gun games
stoic breach
Time Crisis 😩
I know this is #battlefield-legacy-titles chat and all but its interesting
fluid tusk
honestly, I cant really remember what console FPS i played first
I had Area 51 and Maximum impact on PS1
or was it maximum force?
fluid tusk
but even then, those are light gun games. I also had Virtua cop on PC
fluid tusk
mhm, it had a PC port. I just remember there being no music for whatever reason during the game
you start out dealing with a bank robbery and moving on to the docks where some guy throws a van at you
does yoshi safari count as a light gun or FPS?
you use a rocket launcher gun controller called the super scope, but its console only
i remember me and my mom playing it when I was very very little on snes
she controlled yoshi and I shot the bazooka
stoic breach
Weird
indigo crown
watched a streamer play light gun games
indigo crown
he was pretty good
fluid tusk
mouse or actual gun?
indigo crown
i can link you the vid
icy sluice
For whatever reason starfighters control better than propeller airplanes
fluid tusk
feel free
stoic breach
I was playing SWBF2 the other night and I felt like I was flying an actual ship
And not a brick
midnight nimbus
I mean why does there need to be commitment to muh realism
indigo crown
midnight nimbus
when you can have fun instead
fluid tusk
i wouldnt mind streaming myself playing time crisis on an arcade cabinet
i used to skip school to play it at the arcade in the mall when Iw as younger
stoic breach
Rest in peace, enjoyment of BFV
midnight nimbus
both players and game designers losing sight of why people play FPS in the first place
sad
fluid tusk
arcade was called Tilt, it was in the lloyd center mall in North East Portland Oregon
I remember in high school playing the Soul Calibur 2 cabinet and kicking ass with maxi
stoic breach
Yeah
fluid tusk
people used to talk shit about me playing with my right hand on the stick and left hand pressing buttons
same with koF 2003
stoic breach
That is weird
fluid tusk
left arms been a mess since I was young, cant control it as good as my right arm
midnight nimbus
meanwhile designers and devs already nailed the addictive gameplay loop years ago and abandoned it years ago
stoic breach
That actually sounds depressing, about the gameplay loop
And also I've very much realised the full effect of players being the same colour as the environment
midnight nimbus
I've been playing a ton of Battalion 1944 and it's honestly the best FPS to be made in years
haven't had this feeling for a game since BF3/4/H
stoic breach
I should look at some gameplay of it
midnight nimbus
it's just CoD4, reskinned in WW2, with more recoil
it's actually more simple than CoD4
stoic breach
Hm
midnight nimbus
no streaks, no attachments, no perks
fluid tusk
honestly, there are a lot of FPS's I like
midnight nimbus
FPS was at its peak when you strip it down
fluid tusk
debatable
midnight nimbus
let the player just worry about positioning, movement, and shooting people
fluid tusk
because even if its stripped down, you still need to focus on balance
stoic breach
Yeah thats why Halo's been so good for so long
midnight nimbus
that was the addictive gameplay loop mastered years ago
I mean yeah balance is obv important
stoic breach
Before Halo 5 added attachments and shit
fluid tusk
weapon balance
midnight nimbus
people fucking love BF3, and weapon balance is terribad
stoic breach
Halo has a weapon that locks on and explodes when you hit someone enough times and its not OP
fluid tusk
a good early 2000s MP FPS would be 007 Nightfire on Console
midnight nimbus
you can tell people what the best guns in the game are, and they're still gonna scream that x is OP and they love it
stoic breach
Maybe for like couch games
midnight nimbus
so honestly, I've realized that gun balance just doesn't matter
me: "SG 1-5 is overrated, here's proof"
BF players: reeeeeeeeee
fluid tusk
maps are simple, with some verticality. weapons handle great, some have secondary fire modes to add variety.
stoic breach
Hahaha
midnight nimbus
like gun balance only needs to be not awful
fluid tusk
there is no "bad gun" in 007 Nightfire
midnight nimbus
doesn't need to even be good
fluid tusk
each gun has a pro and a con
fluid tusk
it wasnt a rare game
fluid tusk
nightfire was made by EA, if memory serves correct
stoic breach
Interesting
midnight nimbus
hype FPS = hype TTK + hype regen
fluid tusk
it was a really solid FPS, no unlocks, no bullshit. it was basically goldeneye but refined
stoic breach
Halo and Titanfall practically
midnight nimbus
yeah fuck unlocks
stoic breach
Yeah stripping a shooter down to core gameplay is the best
midnight nimbus
makes zero sense to have unlocks in a game where your guns are supposed to be balanced
stoic breach
Did you say Battalion 1944 was Unreal Engine?
fluid tusk
i wouldnt mind Nightfire getting remade in unreal
midnight nimbus
I haven't even seen what frames i get if I uncap fps
but my friend gets 200 fps playing it on his Macbook Pro on min graphics
midnight nimbus
I think he boot camps
stoic breach
I should probably do that
If I dual boot on my mac it would be the most powerful computer in my house
midnight nimbus
anyways, back to BF, i think the easy answer is to just return to the core gameplay loop that made the series super popular
stoic breach
Yeah
Pretty much do away with unlocks based on level
If they really wanted to have unlocks, just make it company coin or something
midnight nimbus
the most i'd do for unlocks is BFH's currency system
buy whatever you want whenever you want
stoic breach
Yeah
Personally, I like unlocks for the purpose of reducing bloat when you start a game, and being overwhelmed with options
midnight nimbus
it's not like level 20 guns are better than the level 1 guns in a PVP shooter with actual balance
prime pine
Think the starting guns in bfh were really bad...
midnight nimbus
oh lol I'm not remembering my base guns
prime pine
Haha
midnight nimbus
M5K was decent
prime pine
The magnum was bullshit in the ebta
midnight nimbus
but it was really easy to unlock decent shit
prime pine
Beta
stoic breach
The starting weapons in BFV are actual poo
midnight nimbus
the big problem was just that BFH didn't have decent gun balance
stoic breach
I only use the StG1-5 cause it feels like an assault smg
prime pine
It relied on the most expensive stuff being locked behind the pay wall
Battle rifles were easily the most enjoyable part of support.
fluid tusk
yea Hardline was a mess in terms of weapons
midnight nimbus
anyways, guns are kinda unimportant in an FPS
Hardline gun balance is obviously unacceptable, but BF3's shit balance was fine
prime pine
F2000...
midnight nimbus
where everything that shot slower than the M416 was also less accurate than the M416
lol
aside from G3
but that's the outlier gun
prime pine
Didnt the f2k have lmg like spread
fluid tusk
apparently on Hardline, my top two guns were the RO933 & FN57 Pistol
midnight nimbus
AN94, M416, M16A3, G3, AEK
midnight nimbus
M416 > M16A3 in BF3
midnight nimbus
bc lol 10Hz
prime pine
I never knew the an 94 would be a high level gun
midnight nimbus
AN94 was the best gun in the game
prime pine
I know its niche
fluid tusk
there was legit no reason not to use the RO933
midnight nimbus
after they fixed shit like the USAS
prime pine
Haha
fluid tusk
ewww frag rounds
midnight nimbus
BF3 AN-94 was absolutely busted fucking good
fluid tusk
famas was
midnight nimbus
no
fluid tusk
famas was god tier
prime pine
I was an asshole for a while on bf4 and ran frag rounds on my saiga 12K
fluid tusk
fuck you
midnight nimbus
FAMAS killed slower and was less accurate than AN
prime pine
Hehe
midnight nimbus
if you can click fast, no reason not to use AN94
prime pine
Camped on roof tops and would could people
prime pine
Not to mention the an 94 was better for ammo conservation
midnight nimbus
only reason the M416 or M16A3 maintained relevance compared to AN was ease of use and euro hipfire
stoic breach
Microburst with AN sounds ridiculous cause you can already tap at really long distances
prime pine
In a sense
stoic breach
Yeah I played on xbox 360 in 2016
midnight nimbus
very few players could actually max it out
stoic breach
BF4
midnight nimbus
like fuck, i macroed the AN-94
fluid tusk
wasnt the M1911 only unlockable as a vet reward?
stoic breach
Had no idea what microbursting was until a few months ago
prime pine
1200 RPM right?
prime pine
Funny enough the Vector k10 has the same odd function.
solid hinge
BF4 server admins still salty as usual
Lol
Killed one and he banned me
Lmao
Can't accept the L.
Sad.
midnight nimbus
also on low tickrate in BF3/4, >900 RPM guns were busted
stoic breach
I tried to see if Microbursting worked in Phantom Forces and I dont know if it does yet
midnight nimbus
bc the guns would skip instances of spread and recoil
like people bitch about AEK
midnight nimbus
but no pro would use the AEK if the FAMAS weren't banned in comp
fluid tusk
ok heres my BF3 shit
1. 870 MCS - 372 Kills
2. M1911 Suppressed - 299 Kills
3. SV98 - 263 Kills
4. Knife - 254 Kills```Huh
fluid tusk
in that exact order
solid hinge
Hope the next modern battlefield game allow use to customize our guns like the way World War 3 didm
Did*
fluid tusk
I legit had a time where I would only kill people with knife
solid hinge
Why not? Lol
fluid tusk
because colonel 100
midnight nimbus
BF3 = literally use the same attachment combo on every gun possible
BF4 = most guns had one best combo, everything else was a downgrade
fluid tusk
only if you cared about stats
fluid tusk
which brings me to my statement that the META culture is cancer as fuck
midnight nimbus
well no
fluid tusk
yea, it truly is..
midnight nimbus
why wouldn't players not want the best advantage possible?
like to you want to walk into a fight without the best possible chances of winning?
especially if you want a high level/comp scene to aspire towards
stoic breach
@midnight nimbus the meta for BFV isnt using the best weapons though
fluid tusk
because, it limits diversity and even then, sends people down a singular playstyle
midnight nimbus
which I think is important
well if you want to create diversity, then you need good gun balance
fluid tusk
what works for some, wont work for others
solid hinge
@stoic breach we don't talk about that game here
fluid tusk
@solid hinge BFV is fine
stoic breach
Do you guys remember the Halo 2 meta
stoic breach
Battle Rifle competitive BXR spam
solid hinge
Been like 2 weeks since I touched it
midnight nimbus
meta culture is fine, especially if you want a scene of high level play
solid hinge
fluid tusk
@solid hinge if you think BFV is in a bad state, you musta missed BF4 & BF Play 4 Free
BFV despite the bugs is still playable
midnight nimbus
I think it's important for games to have top players for the community to aspire towards
stoic breach
The only reason I dont like the idea of the meta is that I get annoyed seeing the same weapons over and over
I just like seeing people use other things
ruby gulch
Montage ⛄️
solid hinge
With invisible players running around? Lol no.
midnight nimbus
no, BFV performance is quite literally unplayable for many
fluid tusk
I have legit ran low tier guns and bulldozed people
midnight nimbus
like i literally cannot attain playable performance
stoic breach
On console its playable but Frostbite is just a bitch of an engine
bronze grotto
bf5 randomly crashing and losing connection whenever anything happens 
fluid tusk
hell even in COD, where people follow meta like a cult
solid hinge
Hand BF5 over to Dice LA
midnight nimbus
yeah, shitters are gonna lose regardless of what you use
fluid tusk
@solid hinge oh, your one of those spergs
stoic breach
What are Dice LA gonna do
solid hinge
Fix it
midnight nimbus
but having good balance matters if you want top players using more than a few guns
solid hinge
Just like what they did to bf4
fluid tusk
but yea, like in COD BO2, people used to use the scar w/red dot, stock & toughness because thats what meta dictated... so you would have lobbies of only that single weapon kit...
fluid tusk
only diversity coming from myself using a five seven, and the few quick scopers
@midnight nimbus console FPS, I stopped playing PC FPS in 2012
stoic breach
In my opinion, purists are way more annoying than meta "abusers"
People who swear by shitty weapons
stoic breach
Because its a "higher skill"
midnight nimbus
and zero customization
midnight nimbus
I think the people enjoy handicapping themselves are the most ridiculous
fluid tusk
nothing wrong with swearing by weapons that leave you at a disadvantage compared to other players... it just means that if you come out on top, your just naturally better
midnight nimbus
I want people who wanna go out and play their hardest against me
midnight nimbus
like I'm not gonna expect Usain Bolt to start running his races in work boots to show off his natural ability
fluid tusk
like I said, in Black Ops 2. I used to run a pistol only stealth build
stoic breach
Because it means that player decided to cut the crap
fluid tusk
would get top of leader boards
stoic breach
Yeah
midnight nimbus
i mean i can top boards running shit loadouts
stoic breach
Idk, handicapping yourself for fun is one thing
Handicapping yourself to prove a point is another
midnight nimbus
but i can top them even harder running a good loadout
why just settle for winning when you can stomp?
stoic breach
Yeah
fluid tusk
because, you see.. while people hated the flinching mechanic and used the perk "toughness" to prevent it, I found out how to use it to my advantage to get consecutive headshots
with a pistol
midnight nimbus
too bad BO2 headshots barely did anything lol
stoic breach
I still cant really enjoy BO2
stoic breach
I only use snipers in that cause I can one tap people with good enough aim
prime pine
I went b23r with suppressor and tactical knife
fluid tusk
eww
midnight nimbus
pistols are also 2HK in BO2 without headshots lol
fluid tusk
burst guns
prime pine
Ghost flak jacket scav and tac mask
stoic breach
I genuinely wish there were more melty skill cannon weapons in BFV than just the AGm
prime pine
Pdw 57, scorpion evo, s12, b23r and the scar H were my favourite weapons.
midnight nimbus
if you hate "meta loadouts", then you should want good weapon balance so every loadout can approach meta effectiveness
prime pine
Handicapping yourself can make yourself a lot better
stoic breach
Thats like the design philosophy of Halo CE and shit
prime pine
Pistol!
stoic breach
CE still has the best weapon balance in the series
fluid tusk
oh wow
midnight nimbus
or just use the best gun and master the best gun
prime pine
Eh. If the pistol wasnt as crazy then who knows.
midnight nimbus
like i don't get the whole "use shit loadouts to get better" meme
midnight nimbus
the best players use their meta loadout and practice with that to gain effectiveness
prime pine
Think the weirdest class i ever went was supressed peace keeper with assault shield
stoic breach
Yeah
midnight nimbus
peacekeeper was the best gun in the game in hardcore
stoic breach
Yeah the idea of the meta is certainly interesting
prime pine
Im too used to suppressor and fast mags
fluid tusk
nope, peace keeper was NOT
prime pine
It certainly was versitile.
stoic breach
The meta in BFV is funny though, cause its made up of weapons that are easy to use but not as effective as other weapons
fluid tusk
anyway, I feel like playing some BO2 again
prime pine
Evo honestly overkill
midnight nimbus
no peacekeeper is quite literally the best HC gun in BO2
all the top PC stompers used it
fluid tusk
@midnight nimbus my FN Five Seven + Suppressor begs to differ
midnight nimbus
SMG handling but OHK at every range
why use the five seven when the Peacekeeper does literally everything better
fluid tusk
because, controllable fire/ammo management is easier when your able to count the shots
also faster draw time
midnight nimbus
bruh peacekeeper had zero recoil
fluid tusk
faster draw after sprinting time
midnight nimbus
also draw time doesn't matter in CoD
fluid tusk
and so on
midnight nimbus
meta on PC is to run around with stock and preaim everything
also pistols can't use MMS sight
fluid tusk
no need for MMS sight
midnight nimbus
ez wallbangs
stoic breach
Millimeter scanner
I remember that shit
God damn its been ages since I played BO2
fluid tusk
people used to use it on shotguns
fluid tusk
platform changes how people play due to control differences
midnight nimbus
I mean the best console and PC players fundamentally use similar styles and strategies
fluid tusk
on PC its a twitch fest, on console its a bit more restrained
midnight nimbus
I mean the former involves more aim assist spamming depending on the game
fluid tusk
anyway I like to think of myself as a higher than normal tier of COD player
not exactly top tier, but also not average
midnight nimbus
i guess in BF at least, console sees much less hipfire
stoic breach
Should be more hipfire 😩
Titanfall 2 hipfire in BFV
Absolutely woke if DICE did that
midnight nimbus
i think it has to do with no aim assist with hipfire
fluid tusk
also hipfire is a common strat in COD with laser
fluid tusk
COD is more random chancer
midnight nimbus
BF1 and V are a bit weaker than 3 or 4
but CoD hipfire is really shit
really only useful in like barrel stuffing ranges
fluid tusk
🤷🏽 i dont generally hipfire... decades of muscle memory makes me aim before shooting
well decade and a half
actually, give it 4 years and I can say 2 decades
L1 aim, R1 shoot. that was the standard for FPS's on PS1/PS2
even PS3 had it to an extent until they started making the triggers the shoot buttons
midnight nimbus
I love games without the ADS mechanic
instant react
mmmmm
you can bind something useful to your RMB instead
stoic breach
Like Halo
And Titanfall
I'm never not gonna use Halo as an example of gold standard FPS
midnight nimbus
i agree
fluid tusk
anyone who says otherwise is not an FPS player
midnight nimbus
sold tons of copies
fluid tusk
again, Unreal Tournament 99
stoic breach
Yeah, headshots also mattered alot in Halo to take out shields faster, but body shots werent useless either
midnight nimbus
great setting and identity
fluid tusk
midnight nimbus
UT lacks that point
fluid tusk
UT is a competitive arena shooter
midnight nimbus
Halo was created with just an incredible central vision
fluid tusk
doesnt need story
midnight nimbus
cohesive game throughout
fluid tusk
Unreal Tournament received critical acclaim, with reviewers praising the graphics, level design and gameplay, although the console ports were noted for having limitations.
Upon its release, Unreal Tournament received universal acclaim from critics, earning an overall score of 92 out of 100 on aggregate review website Metacritic.[45] Mainstream press reviews lauded the title for its graphics, gameplay, and level design, with Computer and Video Games concluding "Unreal Tournament is nothing short of a technical and game-playing marvel destined to hold you - as it did us - wailing with happiness and wasting far too many precious hours hammering keyboards. An absolute joy to behold."[50] In March 2000, Unreal Tournament was second on a list of best-selling games in Computer Dealer News trade magazine.[97] However, the development team believed sales would have been higher if the game was released in October 1999.[26]
midnight nimbus
Halo is a superior whole package
fluid tusk
Jeff Gerstmann of GameSpot praised the graphics, noting "As good as the original Unreal looked, Unreal Tournament looks even better. The character models and skins look excellent, and there are quite a few choices to make when designing your character."[61] He also praised the multiplayer gameplay, weapons and level design: "The first-person shooter genre is fiercely competitive. But Unreal Tournament rises above the rest with its solid multiplayer performance, from its good weapon balance to its great level design."[61] The game was similarly reviewed by GameSpy, who concluded: "Unreal Tournament raises the bar for first person teamplay games. The mutators, bots, teams, and sheer number of maps give the game an awesome depth and replayability. This game is stuffed with content and polished until it gleams."
keep in mind, this is a discussion that players have had over the years
UT vs Halo
midnight nimbus
CoD4 is still one of the most influential games in the genre
fluid tusk
one, but notTHE
midnight nimbus
it's still up there in my gold standards of design
CoD4 is tied with a few games in my mind
fluid tusk
Duke Nukem 3D sits up there too
midnight nimbus
honestly, i genuinely believe that BF took off as a series bc BF3 was approaching the formula that was created with CoD4
checks off the primary elements that people love in FPS
fluid tusk
thats implying BF was not a powerhouse during BF2
midnight nimbus
meh
BF2 is a lot of questionable design saved by good maps and being one of the few sandbox experiences out there
the actual shooting part in FPS wasn't very good in BF2
midnight nimbus
I get that it's necessary in a military game, but squads are honestly one of the biggest mistakes in making good teamplay
delet squads
midnight nimbus
well in rainbow six, your whole team is the squad lol
fluid tusk
in R6, squads are seperated into fire teams
2 man fireteams
could be more, could be less. but generally 2
stoic breach
Squads work better in smaller gamemodes
midnight nimbus
like squads matter more than teams
why do the 3 randoms in my squad matter than the 28 other randoms, if the goal is to work together as a team?
fluid tusk
as this image shows
4 fire teams, Alpha, Charlie, Bravo and Delta
each function as teams of 2
each with set orders
midnight nimbus
dividing a team into further subsections of a team is a mistake
fluid tusk
how so? this is legit how its done in real life
midnight nimbus
really just limits teamwork instead of improving it
fluid tusk
Rainbow Six was a tactical FPS that was brderline milsim
midnight nimbus
you want to encourage communication and teamwork on a teamwide basis
fluid tusk
it had communication and teamwork tho...
midnight nimbus
well cutting everyone down into squads makes sense irl
fluid tusk
VoIP existed
midnight nimbus
when everyone trains together and already knows what to do before the action starts
solid hinge
Why can't squads be squads?
midnight nimbus
the callouts i use with my friends aren't the same callouts that others use
fluid tusk
sounds like the issue with modern gaming in general
too many people want to play the hero
solid hinge
At this point, squads doesn't matter
midnight nimbus
other people's callouts don't make any sense to me
fluid tusk
people arent comfortable with taking the sidelines and going through the motions
midnight nimbus
make the whole team the squad
fluid tusk
its all self serving instant gratification bullshit now a days
midnight nimbus
bruh that's what people play vidya for
have fun
destroy shit
the sensible solution is to make fun instant gratification selfish play also be helpful to your team
fluid tusk
@midnight nimbus you may be too young to understand, but players who run out and get killed first usually just bitch and moan then disconnect from the match
midnight nimbus
unify the individual's desires with helping the team
fluid tusk
thats not fun
having a single player ruin things for everyone because they thought they were rambo, isnt fun
the player isnt having fun when they die, the team isnt having fun after they put all that effort into a plan just for it to fail.
midnight nimbus
people are too obsessed with pretty play
fluid tusk
so that counterpoints your arguement
midnight nimbus
expecting the game to play like the trailer
midnight nimbus
when you take off the rose tinted glasses, people have always played selfishly
stoic breach
Insurgency does squads pretty well, like theres only 2 squads per team
fluid tusk
yea, I think you might be too young
midnight nimbus
robust design = making a game that can't be ruined by silly shit
fluid tusk
how old are you @midnight nimbus
midnight nimbus
22
stoic breach
Damn
fluid tusk
sure dont sound like it
midnight nimbus
been playing PC FPS for quite awhile
fluid tusk
27 at the end of this year
midnight nimbus
like designing your game around perfect teamwork as the ideal is silly
stoic breach
Its why Siege casual is so shit
scenic verge
not really look at games like overwatch
midnight nimbus
you'll never achieve the coordination you want to simulate from irl scenarios in online play
midnight nimbus
which is why good games account for all these things
scenic verge
thats not true
stoic breach
R6 is built around the competitive side
midnight nimbus
like in the actual military or in sports, you train with the same people over and over again, so you understand each other's cues
stoic breach
Siege casual should probably have respawning considering the lack of coordination
midnight nimbus
and when you're face to face, psychology around coordination is a bit difference
and then you go out and expect this coordination in a video game where you're frequently playing with randoms
fluid tusk
as someone who was formerly in multiple clans during the early and mid 2000s, I can say that what you said isnt necessarily true
Hyrulian Knights, Kommando Dosenbier, Creedy Defense Force, etc
midnight nimbus
I mean yeah, you can play with good VOIP coordination with clanmates who understand how you play and communicate
but you can't make a teamplay based game without designing your game with randoms in heavy consideration
fluid tusk
its complicated to put into words, but most players are able to wing it with their teamates by reading their actions and making assumptions
midnight nimbus
this is why BF introduced spotting, alongside a ton of other games
the perfect communication tool for playing with randoms
no language barrier
no need to know everyone's individual callouts
that's just one example
fluid tusk
if a player is going slow through an area and stopping occasionally to scan the surroundings, you would play off that and cover them from whichever point they are looking away from, or continue until you reach an area for them to leapfrog off you doing the same thing
again its complicated to put into words
you just know
midnight nimbus
then you run into issues like false positives in reading off players
fluid tusk
false positives are just a part of life
midnight nimbus
like yeah, a player crouch walking could be cautious
or just an idiot
bc peeking fast >>>>> peeking slow in shooters
fluid tusk
crouch walking is "going slow"
midnight nimbus
in every game
in a game that you play for fun and wish to encourage teamwork, you want to eliminate false positives
fluid tusk
maybe now a days peaking fast is better than peaking slow
midnight nimbus
and not just accept them as life
fluid tusk
doesnt change the fact that its wreckless
midnight nimbus
nah, since the inception of online play, peeking fast has always been better
bc of networking
fluid tusk
you should always use audio and visual cues before you act
midnight nimbus
now what if your teammates could create audio and visual cues to help you act 🤔
fluid tusk
@midnight nimbus so basically you expect players to take advantage of poor networks by peaking fast?
you expect that from every player?
just because its the new norm
midnight nimbus
why would i expect players to not want to win?
fluid tusk
because you are still playing off the assumtpion that kills = wins
there are many other means of winning
kills are not the end all be all
stone plaza
a good player is usually alive
fluid tusk
maybe they are in arena shooters, but most modern games do have other win conditions
midnight nimbus
in every fps game, it's pretty hard to complete your win condition without killing people lol
fluid tusk
again, implying the game doesnt have respawn mechanics
you cant win a game of CTF based on kills alone
you cant win a game of domination based off kills alone
you cant win a game of rush based on kills alone
and so on
stone plaza
oh but it helps bigly to have fewer enemies stopping you from completing your win condition
fluid tusk
kills are not the primary goal, they are just a result of trying to attain said goal
midnight nimbus
you can't win any of those modes without killing people
stone plaza
^
midnight nimbus
unless your enemy is literally handicapped out of their minds
fluid tusk
again, they are the result not the factor
midnight nimbus
actually in rush, you HAVE to kill people to win on defense
stone plaza
yup, ticket counts
fluid tusk
defense not attack
midnight nimbus
dude playing the objective is the result of killing people
you can't cap or arm an objective without killing the defenders
stone plaza
playing the objective is an excuse to kill people
midnight nimbus
unless again, they're literal idiots
fluid tusk
@midnight nimbus ok let me roll it back... Splinter cell had a game mode called Spies vs Mercs...
stone plaza
it gives me a reason to prioritise certain engagements
midnight nimbus
but assuming that all your enemies are gigantic idiots is an idiot mistake in itself
fluid tusk
Spies vs Mercs is probably the ebst way to describe a similar gameplay style to rush
Mercs have lethal weapons, but are limited to a first person view
Spies have to infiltrate an area using stealth and hack into a computer in order to win
Mercs have to kill all spies before they do so
Spies have limited lives
Mercs dont get killed, so they technically are immortal```in the rush game mode, its a similar concept... Attackers have limited lives and have to arm the objective
Defenders have unlimited lives and have to defend the objective
the main difference is that both sides can kill eachother, but again. it still adheres to similar principles
midnight nimbus
does this not prove the point that the mode is still funneling people together to kill each other?
> Mercs have to kill all spies
fluid tusk
no, because spies are still non lethal
and in terms of battlefield, the kills only apply to one side
attackers can kill as many of the defenders as they so please, but unless they blow up an Mcom, they will fail
tribal cairn
Hey,you know what would be a good class idea? The Commando, a class fixated on flanking the enemy and spearheading their blind spot with flanking and stealth orientated gear and gadgets
Their weapons wouldn't be the greatest for direct encounters,
tribal cairn
I didn't, but alright
solid hinge
imagine flanking in BF V
echo glen
No more epic flanks 
Too bad everyone is as bright as a glowstick
Next chapter
will come in 3 months
No confirmation for Sino-Japanese Front
Though I would like a China themed in the name of the tsar dlc
just replace the soviets with the CPC
upper vault
Hm,
Japan vs China
One of the most forgotten war fronts
Would be interesting to see it
But I think BF really needs iconic battles
Like BF
BF1*
BF1 had Verdun, Passchandaele, River Somme
BFV’s iconic battle would soon be Iwo Jima
bronze grotto
bfv can and will ruin omaha somehow if they do it
solid hinge
please not another omaha
upper vault
I would rather see the Eastern Front
Fighting in the rocks of Kursk against the Panzer division
Or fighting for my life at Stalingrad
Surrounded with no hope
bronze grotto
slav panzerstorm and slav devastation
solid hinge
yes its an iconic battle, yes we are grateful for the sacrifice but damnit it makes a lousy MP map
upper vault
Battle of Kursk could be done right on Breakthrough
bronze grotto
normandy hedgerows dice ples
upper vault
Stalingrad would be massive
upper vault
A large plaza surrounded by historical buildings
bronze grotto
lane based firefights for sweaties
bronze grotto
bring back karkand lul
upper vault
The buildings have been leveled
bronze grotto
aren't you describing devastation rn
upper vault
Not really
Devastation is clustered
Stalingrad would be dispersed
Clustered at SOME areas
But it should have a plaza
With hills of snow
So MMGs don’t camp at some building and spray the other part of the plaza
Battle of Kursk would take place in a rural area
It’s something like Panzerstorm,
Idk,