60 euros for 1 mask
#battlefield-legacy-titles
spark prism
Yeah it's not right
orchid shore
Weapon Customization: Charms 
spark prism
Your kidding me right
orchid shore
we now rainbow six siege
royal gull
We now COD
spark prism
Damn Bois we made it
orchid shore
or cod too
orchid shore
bet that DICE will add just like streamer/content creators charms
crisp stone
we'll have reapers roaming the battlefield
spark prism
Cant wait form Prime Cosmetics
royal gull
Between the charms and this stupid ass 5v5 mod I have to wonder what the fuck DICE is thinking
How is SWBF2 getting better support than fucking Battlefield right now?
orchid shore
The only thing I'm worried about is the starter pack or booster pack if you want to name it
crisp stone
we must go further down the rabbit hole https://imgur.com/a/j12NQ3a
spark prism
Yeah I'm just worried all the time
royal gull
I only got BFV about a month and a half ago and I was loving it up until the other week when they broke unlocks.
orchid shore
it mentioned "Tides of War XP rate increased by 20%"
royal gull
I gave it a week off and I come back last night and it's a fucking mess
crisp stone
could i get a screenshot of this 20% thing
royal gull
Maybe I didn't notice it before but performance is trash, the net code is trash, its somehow getting more difficult to see enemies.
solid hinge
they made performance worse for many people, many reports of their servers being shit recently and literally invisible soldiers
crisp stone
scummy
orchid shore
I don't see it a big deal
royal gull
Like I stood behind some German crouching, unloaded half a clip from the default LMG into his head and he turns around and kills me
Kill cam said he had 10 health left
orchid shore
you can just grind your XP from assignments and just play the game
royal gull
I just quit right then and there
orchid shore
but again it's pay to win since you are giving that person a extra boost to level up your ToW level 
haughty pawn
is the invisible vest still not fixed ?
plain temple
don't think so
crisp stone
gray glade
is it a specific skin that causes it or random?
solid hinge
a fucking tiger didnt render in
decided to play bomber
saw one of my tanks shooting at something
could see the barrel flash from the enemy tank but no tank so I ended up flying too low in order to identify it
about 10 metres from the ground a whole fucking tiger pops in to life
fathom pebble
@solid hinge german technology was scary back then
solid hinge
how on earth am I supposed to bomb if the fattest fucking ground target doesnt render in
fathom pebble
solid hinge
graceful radish
succ
solid hinge
stealth camo and hitreg armour
fathom pebble
Crysis with invisible suits and stuff
solid hinge
superior German engineering..
opaque cipher
Also nonsensical damage numbers
Lands one small burst on an enemy plane
“Vehicle hit +59”
graceful radish
oh hey i got a lil lead in my wing lets die now
crisp stone
enemy hit +115
royal gull
This was a stealth launch of the new Secret Weapons of World War II DLc
crisp stone
since when was there kevlar in ww2
graceful radish
haughty pawn
touch a reload pole with plane wingtip,instant implosion of the universe 
solid hinge
whoever had the idea of making a grand ops hamada conquest and then aerodrome breakthrough was a bastard
also holy FUCK I hate this stupid tank spawn bug that has been going on for 8 MONTHS
placid imp
Anyone else’s plane lag profusely when they get into a dogfight or just me
echo glen
I remember when this game was mostly stable, but that was a few updates ago
placid imp
Yea I get behind an enemy plane and my plane does not stop rubber banding and it allows them to kill me
opaque cipher
It’s borked
agile sigil
Omg plane hitreg is terrible! Im chasing one guy for like 5 minutes because my connecting shots don't do anything.
agile sigil
Yea, my BF109 is useless other than dropping flares.
idle breach
I shot lot with mosquito not getting a single damage
this insane
not only planes its all wrong
and origin is dead
agile sigil
Wing shots don't work, tail shots don't work, body shots are iffy
gray glade
i didnt have much trouble hitting with planes when i played a lil today
i was shooting slightly ahead of enemy tho
solid hinge
just had 90% hitreg failure with a pz4 vs infantry
formal valve
Imagine being able to make a US soldier before a British soldier in the British faction
solid hinge
I'm not playing this until its fixed
formal valve
I have 100% hitter failure with planes lmao
It took three fighters 5 minutes to take down one enemy fighter yesterday on Fjell
That shit is insane
solid hinge
Ive yet to have issues with tank hit reg
Even the bug where the shells would detonate outside the tank and do damage
Havent seen that in a while
quiet ingot
AAA
icy sluice
If you haven't known yet, you can heal/resupply teammates with the ammo crates and medical crates by just holding it in your hands.
You'll need to throw them to resupply bandages and gadgets though
soft storm
Oooooor
I need to finish that damn give people ammo ToW mission
But other than that I don’t use it
orchid shore
what jeez
gray glade
"If you haven't known yet, you can heal/resupply teammates with the ammo crates and medical crates by just holding it in your hands."
what?
soft storm
Cause infinite s mines
solid hinge
It is a very niche situation where someone is 15 metres away and needs ammo desperately while neither of you can move
you can even throw the crate for extra range
you can leave one crate at a choke point and run around with another one in your hands for double resupplies as well
soft storm
Lemme just throw this heavy ass crate
plush flume
Axis facepaints glitched for anyone else? Can’t see and for some reason don’t have any for them to put on, though I had some for the Axis characters
Allied are fine though they still got everything
solid hinge
they're busted currently
icy sluice
Ironically, I never really used face paints... a majority of my outfits cover the face
And surprisingly, Ilse is still wearing Daft
cedar basin
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blazing pasture
I just captured an enemy Tiger twice in one game
icy sluice
I captured an Archer, just shooting it once with an AT-Grenade Pistol
blazing pasture
Nice
I killed three enemy tanks with my Tiger
The guy had the special AT rounds
solid hinge
Some people bail so easily
solid hinge
having played squad conquest a bit recently, the howitzer churchill is NICE
blazing pasture
I had a couple of people around me during each objective I strolled into
lost citrus
when they gonna fix spawning midair without parachute
icy sluice
Remember when the Repair Tool damaged tanks?
twilit glen
It paints me I’m not gonna be able to earn rewards and go on the new map since I’m not able to play for another weekend
quasi aspen
i was in a match, suddenly seeing players next to me disappeared, then I black screen and was sent back to home, wtf?
we were winning that match as well 😢
it says server disconnected
quasi aspen
oh no 😭
lost citrus
1st time winning today but nah fuck this, will drop me again in shitty game
quasi aspen
so hard to find a good balanced game 🤦
sonic moss
when opening the assignments menu i cant see the assignments
lost citrus
everybody cant
they have to broke something to fix it in next update
you can switch to daily and back to assigments
they will appear
quasi aspen
wow it worked, nice tip
solid hinge
Hey.
quasi aspen
Hey
solid hinge
Sup?
idle breach
okay I think my theory is getting more sence like
I think nobody in dice is playing bfv
because they cannot afford it
all they do is developing the content but they cannot play the actual game that's the reason this game is so wanky
dense bone
drunkzz3 or something is a former pro of some sorts and works for dice
idle breach
they cannot test it
yeah but he can't play the game
nobody in dice cannot play the game
dense bone
can*
idle breach
oh right
solid hinge
Can I put a change org petition here or?
I'm new here didn't even know there was a BFV Discord
solid hinge
No it's about this game
it's basically a petition that people can sign, and if it gets a lot of signatures MAYBE shit'll happen.
dense bone
!!r3
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idle breach
oh
it's against the rule but
can I ask about what that person want to changed like
I too got a long list of change-wanted
solid hinge
@dense bone Grazie
dense bone
no problem
solid hinge
@idle breach It's me, I can show you in DMs if you wish, I think you would agree.
dense bone
i know the rules like the back of my hand
solid hinge
Great
dense bone
hell dm the link too
haughty pawn
they really should do a fixed frame rate on the main menu lol
bouncing between 34-144 fps
dense bone
ehh, i dont agree with anything in the petition, but i get bfv for the gameplay and not the history aspect of it
solid hinge
I see.
dense bone
i can understand why people want those changes, its just not my priorities
solid hinge
I bought BFV because I thought it was going to be historically accurate.
idle breach
waat
solid hinge
I'm a WW2 fan myself.
idle breach
can I ask why did you thought bfv is going to be historically accurate?
since I bought this game through pre-order and I thought exactly the opposite... kinda
idle breach
I do understand people want authenticity in WW2 games but I kinda believed the trailer
dense bone
flags?
icy sluice
1942 had the same flag
idle breach
tbh I'm both fan of authentic themed WW2 and fictional casual WW2
but bfv is kinda inbetween something
I hope dice just decides where to go
solid hinge
Never played 1942 @icy sluice
dense bone
idk whats wrong with the flag, i dont think ive ever looked at them
icy sluice
This was the flag they used in 1942
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/battlefield/images/f/f7/Flag_Germany_1933.png/revision/latest?cb=20110515025250
solid hinge
@icy sluice Are you swedish by any chance
idle breach
oh that flag
solid hinge
I mean they didn't use the real Nazi Germany flag
icy sluice
With a name like this, you bet your ass I am 
.
dense bone
like, what i would expect the nazi flag to look like?
idle breach
black-white-red tricolour maybe?
icy sluice
No idea how uhh... a German name warrants a Swedish Nationality
opaque pawn
I don’t want a real nazi Germany flag
dense bone
i assume the standard nazi flag is what everyone thinks of when someone says nazi flag
idle breach
lol true
dense bone
but i have no idea if theres a different flag out there that is the REAL flag or some shit
opaque pawn
Pls dice no custom emblems
dense bone
like i assume the real flag is red with white circle and swastika in the center
idle breach
in wartime it's just a variations of "that nazi flag"
solid hinge
Well when you search Nazi Flag in google you get : Black Swastika in a white circle in a red square
idle breach
yeaH
solid hinge
Okay I'll brb
idle breach
sometimes different aspect ratio like
dense bone
yea, like i said, thats what i assume you mean you want, but like i said, i have no idea if that is the REAL flag
icy sluice
Swastikas will lead to backlash and maybe legal action
dense bone
im no history buff
idle breach
slightly lefted one is party flag.. centred one is the national flag
icy sluice
Even if Germany allows it, people will get furious over allowing you to play as Soldiers underneath the Swastika
idle breach
don't really worth the trouble
icy sluice
We've seen it with the Taliban Controversy
opaque pawn
Yeah better to just not include
idle breach
I'd rather get some uh.. collar tab maybe
opaque pawn
I really hate custom emblems
idle breach
god damn peggies
opaque pawn
Only you I guess
icy sluice
It looked great
idle breach
it does
opaque pawn
Yeah it does
icy sluice
M1911 was and is still fun
Ironically, I am able to pistol whip medics with my p08
How does a Suomi manage to lose against such a pistol?
opaque pawn
When I’m using a Suomi lol
solid hinge
Okay hello
idle breach
yeah
dense bone
yes hello
solid hinge
I've just noticed what Levelcap wants to fix when he says "the MMG's need fixing"
He means he wants to zoom down the fucking scope while standing.
dense bone
id assume they know better than that
idle breach
keep the spread same lol
dense bone
trivial difference
dense bone
technically you would be at a disadvantage too, youd get lesser peripheral vision
and at least in the "realistic" aspect you probably couldnt lift an MMG to ADS anyway
icy sluice
Remember the Parabellum?
idle breach
we could lift an MMG to ADS position. we're just not able to properly shoot lol
dense bone
IRL?
idle breach
or how about
dense bone
arent mmgs heavy AF
idle breach
yeah could lift it
but kinda enough to say "I can lift a MMG" kinda heavy
I think I can, sweating a lot and lots of cramps everywhere
anyway we could just give MMG an shitty ADS, immobile
if that's so desired
dense bone
according to wiki mg42 which is a lighter machine gun still weight 25 pounds
icy sluice
imo, if it can ADS give it shit recoil
idle breach
yeah
solid hinge
But levelcap being an assault main means he loves instantaneous kills.
Have you seen him as a medic? He LEAVES teammates. Just- leaves them, when he could easily smoke them.
If you want my advise on how to fix the MMG, lessen the bullet spread while running just a little, let us zoom down scope because that'd 'fix it' and watch the community revel with pride
My dad was a gunner in the Gulf
dense bone
sounds like kht playing medic
solid hinge
Do you guys have servicemen in the fam?
quasi aspen
utubers playing medic as assault meanwhile complaining why medic didn't revive them is toxic
dense bone
youtubers have pocket medics
icy sluice
My X button might just break from reviving people tbh
Rambo Reviving is still possible, fucking do it you cowards
idle breach
am korean so every man is serviceman in here
analog mist
@solid hinge no one in my family has served since the Korean War.
dense bone
statistically its stupid for me to revive teammates, but i still do it
i dont get how people play medic and dont at least try
idle breach
I do try to revive a lot
solid hinge
I revive every time I can
dense bone
its fun getting those stupid revives off
idle breach
NATO fam unite
fathom pebble
my grandpa was in Angola and one of my uncles 
idle breach
wuuut
analog mist
I had 6 men in my family fight in WWII.
fathom pebble
grandfather of my grandpa was in WW1. yes he died in service
idle breach
my family has a tradition of "trying to be a civilian" so only served in non-wartime
analog mist
2 Engineers, 1 in Bomber Command, 1 Tank Driver, 1 Infantry, 1 Merchant Marine.
The granduncle that drove tanks took pictures. I've love to share but some of them are straight nightmare fuel.
soft storm
Basically
analog mist
The merchant marine survived 2 sinkings in the Atlantic.
polar totem
Quick question, battlefield hardline on PS4 is on sale for 11.99, do I buy it
dense bone
i really doubt theres a playerbase for ps4
you might find a couple of servers at peak hours
icy sluice
I think it should go for free at this point with how small of a playerbase it has
polar totem
Well, I played battleborn with literally no one so I should be fine
hoary condor
BOYS isn't strong enough, prove me wrong
dense bone
where are you getting player count?
polar totem
There's a tracker
analog mist
polar totem
Not bad
dense bone
new gun?
analog mist
Yep
dense bone
weapon type?
analog mist
MMG
solid hinge
The gun is pretty good
solid hinge
What’s your favourite sniper?
quasi aspen
kar98k :)
dense bone
if i had to guess i run the furthest distances in a game while playing
analog mist
But have you tried a 30rd MMG?
solid hinge
I have yet to unlock that sniper but so far my favourite is the gewehr m/95
solid hinge
Those are semi
quasi aspen
gewehr m95 was my fav(high damage), i used to hate k98k until the conquest grind mode came
selb1906 fastest bullets very nice
but hate to reload it a lot
dense bone
at least its easy to get 2 shot kills
bolts are only efficient if youre a headshot monster
gray totem
i played a match of all sundan on squad conquest but i had shit fps, keeping in mind i had 60+ when playing on fjell and arras
any one else having the same problem?
quasi aspen
i don't even know this map is out! gonna try lol but this update already broke my fps
blazing pasture
The S2-200 is fucking sick
dense bone
ew
analog mist
This invisibility bug is starting to annoy.
coarse thunder
I played for 4 hrs yesterday and didn't get to try either Mercury or Sundan
soft storm
Sundan is in one mode
Squad conquest
And it’s also bugged
Most windows you can’t jump through, and the FOV is off on primary weapons
dense bone
i didnt know the map was out
spark prism
What in Sudan?
dense bone
new map
spark prism
Haven't played it yet
stoic breach
Yeah
dense bone
i just downloaded the update last night in hopes my performance is good again
Make BFV Great Again
spark prism
What's up with your performance
dense bone
performance has steadily been getting worse
spark prism
PC?
dense bone
yeps
spark prism
Wouldn't know sorry I play on console
dense bone
ahh, yea performance has been declining for everyone
i used to get 120 fps avg, drops to 100, now im around 90 fps average
spark prism
Dont complain like console is 60 max
I have it on pc but no mates to play it with so I stay on console
dense bone
i get im getting more fps than console, but i paid way more than console, so thats the problem
spark prism
That is a good point
dense bone
i stopped playing from boredom and performance is bad
steel agate
I've had a lot of time with the S2-200, and it seems to be "decent" but it's more of a lukewarm MMG IMHO.
It's not nearly as good as the MG42 or other MMGs, but requires a bipod to ADS fully. It's got 30 rounds, yet requires a bipod.
It's not a meta MMG
somber herald
algun español?
icy sluice
Ingles only
hoary condor
English dude
stoic breach
Easy fix, let MMGs ads without the bipod
steel agate
I'd stick with Lewis and 12G as meta support weapons, with the occasional MG42 and 1922.
hoary condor
MMG i am against
stoic breach
12g sucks
hoary condor
sit in 1 place....
spark prism
I'm just a basic assult player with his STG
steel agate
no, 12G got buffed a few patches ago
stoic breach
Its about that FG42 baby
hoary condor
MMG will moan about snipers 
steel agate
it's the best shotgun overall
hoary condor
MMG is worse
spark prism
Support players just moan
stoic breach
MMG players are always going on about "Its hard to use because muh positioning"
Map geometry isnt a fucking skill
spark prism
Hahahaha
steel agate
I've fully tested the S2-200 MMG, and it's not good enough to go primary with
hoary condor
wut u mean i can#t sit in 1 place and spam
stoic breach
Just let MMGs ads without the bipod and give them high initial spread with reverse spread and they'll be balanced
Increase use cases
And then buff other weapons to the level of SARs
spark prism
MMGs with ads no
steel agate
Too much work and growing pains for DICE
spark prism
Please no
hoary condor
snipers need some attending too
stoic breach
Why wouldn't you want to ads with an MMG
Its a weapon literally designed for camping
Stupid design
Let them ads like in BF1
steel agate
who wouldn't? the issue is that if ADS w/o bipod on an MG42 is a thing, it'll be the only gun supports will use
stoic breach
Not really
stoic breach
Give it extremely high initial spread so you cant burst fire with it
Slow spread decrease
steel agate
still, all you're doing is buffing it
steel agate
it is a buff
hoary condor
tonight
steel agate
because it's the exact same thing as it is now, but you can ADS with it
stoic breach
ADS witb extremely high visual recoil without the ability to burst fire isnt a buff
It just lets you be more useful with it
steel agate
It's basically ADS with not as bad as hipfire level spread
opaque pawn
inb4 they add HMGs
steel agate
@opaque pawn They already will be
spark prism
You ever see a nazi running around with a MG42 shooting from the shoulder?
stoic breach
Theres no visual recoil with MG42 hipfire but it has the same spread
steel agate
HMGs coming later this year
steel agate
Browning is one
stoic breach
You could just nerf the hipfire on MMGs entirely and if you want to aim you deal with high visual recoil
steel agate
i think there's another
hoary condor
Tractor racing pls
opaque pawn
Dang i thought they didint make man portable m2 browning prototypes till vietnam
steel agate
It's mounted
spark prism
Yeah but then the meta would be running around hit fire abusing an mg that would be worse
stoic breach
MMG ads wouldnt be overpowered because it would be like a waterhose on a fire engine flying around in the air
spark prism
Ah okay
opaque pawn
would make sense i guess
stoic breach
Not allowing MMGs to ads is just stupid
still dove
Here is how I would buff mmg,s. Make a placable sandbags wall gadget. Similar to sniper shields in bf1
stoic breach
Because they're all copy-pasted weapons otherwise
steel agate
The best MG for supports is Lewis
stoic breach
No that would increase camping
opaque pawn
Yeah
agile sigil
Lewis all the way
stoic breach
Placeable sandbags
opaque pawn
Best time to kill is the fg42 though
steel agate
I wouldn't use any other one unless you're working on assignments
quasi aspen
lewis all gay
stoic breach
Lewis is fun but I just prefer FG42 shred
spark prism
Right let's all agree no matter what dice does it could just make things worse
still dove
Camping? this isnt cod. thats called defending
stoic breach
No
opaque pawn
Bruh
agile sigil
As for mobile mounting positions, I just mount my mg on my ammo crate
stoic breach
Defending a random bush
steel agate
I play CQB a lot and the FG42 doesn't have enough rounds
steel agate
20 rounds for Fg42 is not enough for me
blazing pasture
Defending yourself
spark prism
What about fox holes?
stoic breach
Thats called being accurate and not wasting ammo
FG42 honestly shouldnt have had an accuracy buff
quasi aspen
some game only had 8 rounds fg42
stoic breach
I'm happy it did but it could very much have just been a hard weapon to use
still dove
defending a random bush is a dumb decision anyway. shouldnt balance around stupid players. they will be stupid anyway
steel agate
I play CQB, taking on multiple enemies up close and personal
FG42 doesn't cater well to that
stoic breach
BFV is entirely balanced around stupid players
spark prism
Yup
still dove
simply not true, they removed 3d spotting and made supplies harder to come by
stoic breach
All really bad changes
Attrition just fucks with match pacing
That entire system is basically made for boomers
spark prism
Hit registration is messed up so much sometimes
fleet raft
Was there a new map?
spark prism
I really dont like attrition
stoic breach
SMGs, the closest range weapon was given to medics
Fucking stupid
Because nobody wants to use SMGs on large maps
So theres no medics on large maps
spark prism
Yup kinda wish they did universal weapons like bf4
quasi aspen
dice: we added bolt carbines to medics
blazing pasture
There's a bunch of medics on all types of maps for me
stoic breach
Bolt carbines are a great idea
blazing pasture
But on larger maps they're obviously going to be spread out more
stoic breach
We got the De Lisle, which is a better Lee Enfield
And the Tromboncino, which is the best traditional bolt action in the game
Lol
steel agate
Enfield No. 5 Jungle Carbine is coming later this year
stoic breach
Hope its better than the current Lee Enfield
6x scope on the Lee Enfield is like putting a 6x scope on a pistol
stoic breach
Hahaha
Dice should give shotguns and smgs to assault
And finish machine pistols and give them to support
Medics should get ARs
MMGs should be allowed to ads
Boys AT should be allowed to ads
Bolt actions should get buffed
Shotguns should get buffed
Dicepls
steel agate
new revolver coming, Smith and wesson I believe
still dove
Right, give the highest dps weapons to the anti vehicle class again. Cant wait to have only assaults running around on infantry maps for the 5th game in a row.
midnight nimbus
lol give Boys AT the original BFV bolt action design
stoic breach
Oh jeez
dense bone
assault is best at killing, but a team of medics in an infantry map is the best thing to win
midnight nimbus
man I actually wish bolts followed their original design
would be fucking hilarious
stoic breach
I just wanna use a one shot sniper properly
midnight nimbus
1100ms ADS time
stoic breach
Wtf
midnight nimbus
vs either 300 or 400ms rn
steel agate
They're adding barbed wire as a gadget
stoic breach
You know what just give me an extremely fast ads on Boys AT so I can quickscope 😩
icy sluice
Hey guys, Ilse got a name change because of Ilse
stoic breach
If you give smgs to assault they'll run in and die first
lament stirrup
stoic breach
Why you want medics to die first with smgs
midnight nimbus
watch next BFV patch nuke performance even harder
midnight nimbus
stuttering isn't 24/7 yet
still dove
Medics are getting up close anyway to revive the assaults
dense bone
i think youre putting too much emphasis on assaults
icy sluice
The German woman is now named Margot because of the name clash of the upcoming elite
stoic breach
Yeah but medics cant get close to anything in open spaces
dense bone
they have smokes
stoic breach
And then what
still dove
thats what smokes are for
stoic breach
Smokes on panzerstorm
stoic breach
The revive animation takes too long as well
still dove
if you are running trough the open field in panzerstorm you have a problem no matter what class
stoic breach
At least make playing as a medic fun
lament stirrup
dense bone
reviving people increases chances of winning
lament stirrup
dense bone
of course revive if feasible
still dove
medic is fun
stoic breach
It also increases your chance of dying
dense bone
if youre dumb
stoic breach
Because the animation lasts for so long
dense bone
if youre not reviving before clearing area or putting down smoke (ideally both) expect to die
dense bone
i really think i die reviving every 1/10 revives
midnight nimbus
place AP mines everywhere
stoic breach
The whole problem is that medics have the wrong weapon type
lofty swallow
So I know that people were bad about the bionic arm and Kitana sword, but when would be by any chance get some Japanese soldiers and weapons? Also I personally wouldn't mind the Kitana
still dove
give medics ars and they are not going to get up close to revive.
stoic breach
I can absolutely guarantee they would revive because AR medics were in BF4
lofty swallow
Yes I just woke up so my comment is a bit slurred
icy sluice
This name change is so weird
still dove
im getting ressed way more in bfv then bf4
also because people that only use ars are a very special kind of player
dense bone
i have no data to back any claims of more or less revives
i wont make a judgement based on feelings
but assuming gun alone is the cause for a difference is probably not correct
still dove
all of them having smokes is the #1 reason
and them all carying resses
instead of frag launchers/medkits for themselves
stoic breach
Which is great, letting every medic revive is fantastic
still dove
basically fuck bf4 assaults
raw pelican
Do I have to have origin pass to access a Premium Pass Origin Game?
dense bone
i just dont get how people want a mega class with assault weapons and medics kit
midnight nimbus
I remember seeing some analysis around launch that resupply/heals weren't any higher than before
stoic breach
Because it wouldnt be a mega class
midnight nimbus
but honestly fuck reviving
midnight nimbus
if you die in a FPS game, just stay dead
dense bone
but they dont die, they get downed
midnight nimbus
BF4 is kinda based for this
raw pelican
If I bought Battlefield 1 Premium Pass Origin, do I have to have Origin Access?
midnight nimbus
because no one runs res anymore
frags are more meaningful in the big picture of the game
dense bone
what do you mean when you say based?
vestal locust
Well that makes 3 times crashing back to home screen on the Xbox when trying to load into a game. Think the game will be put to side for awhile till DiCE actually put a fix toward game
stoic breach
Medic with AR in BFV would be great because you arent sacrificing a gadget slot to revive people
solid hinge
Whats the best gun in the medic class?
midnight nimbus
I think it's dumb for a game to be able to undo a frag
stoic breach
Suomi
solid hinge
Tommy gun im assuming
still dove
Lol big picture of the game, you mean kdr you can brag about to the rest of your tryhard clan of 10 year olds
dense bone
suomi close, mp40 ranged, thompson is the middle child
midnight nimbus
also AR medic is fine with SAR assault existing
stoic breach
K/D is pretty important in a first person shooter
midnight nimbus
I take ZK383 > MP40 for ranged personally
still dove
not in a teamplay based one
dense bone
kd is a meaningless stat alone
solid hinge
MP40 has a lot of recoil
midnight nimbus
there's more to teamplay than pressing E and 3
stoic breach
AR medic can hit SAR users in midrange
solid hinge
I dont think it would be good for range
still dove
especially not on any of the worthwile gamemodes
dense bone
going 5-1 every game as an edge of map sniper gives you a 5 kdr but you didnt do shit to win
midnight nimbus
CSGO undeniably has a ton of teamplay
no revives
no resupplies
etc
teamplay isn't a set of mechanics
it's a mindset you instill in your playerbase
dense bone
overwatch has revives, no resupplies, but more teamplay dependent
stoic breach
Overwatch is a bit of a wack example though I think
midnight nimbus
OW kinda pushes the boundaries for too teamplay dependent imo
still dove
csgo is the foie grass of shooters, its shit, it is cruel, but asshats will stroke their dick for consuming it
midnight nimbus
where the individual doesn't have enough influence
dense bone
im just saying theres no set scenarios that determines if a game is teamplay based or not like kht is trying to suggest
dense bone
well mechanics determine the degree of dependency on teamplay
stoic breach
Communication is more condusive to teamplay than heal spam
midnight nimbus
my ideal set of teamplay mechanics would allow an individual to be functional on their own and be able to have fun if teammates choose not to help them, but teammates coming in to help should always be helpful
reef mountain
i think bfv is needing a CTS
dense bone
but communication is for every game
midnight nimbus
idt that's the case in BF all the time
midnight nimbus
3D spotting 😋
stoic breach
Yeah you've pretty much sold me on the idea of a balanced 3D spot lol
midnight nimbus
I was running recon and we were getting swamped by tanks
dense bone
ive played bfv completely solo, and in a pretty serious team setting, dramatically different experiences
so i think bfv is doing the solo vs team aspect right
midnight nimbus
whipped out my SOFLAM, and blueberry engineers proceeded to whop the enemy tanks
stoic breach
It does depend on the circumstances though
midnight nimbus
on my own, spotting the tanks was helpful
stoic breach
That passive spot thing you were talking about would be great for BFV
midnight nimbus
but players I couldn't communicate with verbally understood my intent and helped me
that's teamplay
dense bone
sure thats teamplay, but whats your point?
tardy atlas
whats the name of that warpaint which has a skull design
still dove
Me spam q button, me sees 2 pixels on the horizon is enemy now
midnight nimbus
I fucking love Anthem's slogan, even if it's a shit game
stoic breach
Whats the slogan
midnight nimbus
"strong alone, stronger together"
hoary condor
Pc prorblems
stoic breach
Yeah thats great
midnight nimbus
or maybe not the slogan but some big line in the trailer
dense bone
sounds like bfv
midnight nimbus
you're not that strong alone in BFV though
hoary condor
tonight
midnight nimbus
there's no many scenarios where you're helpless as a player
stoic breach
Yeah self-sufficiency is pretty important in a game like BFV
dense bone
maybe because i revive teammates?
midnight nimbus
you can't spot the tank for friendlies to come help you
dense bone
yes you can
midnight nimbus
dead assault friendlies nearby aren't guaranteed
you can ping the tank for squad mates
but blueberries can't see it
dense bone
friendlies are squadmates
still dove
People should be weak on their own. They need to be reminded what a little insignificant shit they are in this unknowably big universe.
stoic breach
The ping always fucks me over, I keep forgetting that blueberries cant see it
dense bone
i have no idea what you want in this game
stoic breach
BFV is basically designed to punish random players who cant communicate
Over rewarding communication
dense bone
considering i have a 60% win rate as a solo player...
stoic breach
That doesnt go for alot of people though
midnight nimbus
I want a way for 32 players to form some level of unconscious coordination, with or without communication
stoic breach
Doesnt happen in conquest 
dense bone
when i get with squad i hardly lose
midnight nimbus
without it involving zerging
but BF isn't a 4v4 game
there's more than just your squad
dense bone
sounds like i have an impact solo, but with a squad we have a huge impact
sounds like solid game design to me...
hoary condor
tonight
midnight nimbus
if i see a MMG, maybe i can alert my squadmates, but ig my other teammates can git fukt
dense bone
or you can kill them
midnight nimbus
maybe I'm running medic
stoic breach
With an smg
midnight nimbus
killing them isn't a realistic response
dense bone
you can still them
midnight nimbus
can't laser them with a Suomi if they're holed up at range
hoary condor
it's a game
stoic breach
Past 20 or so metres thats more likely to get you killed
hoary condor
it won't be realistic
dense bone
thats why i use mp40 and still do fine
analog mist
People need to stop holding the button to revive.
midnight nimbus
I'm just gonna go on my merry way and my blueberries can die to that MMG
stoic breach
MP40 is optimised for accuracy, not range though
dense bone
and mp40 according to the lot here isnt even a good ranged gun
midnight nimbus
nothing i could've done about it
midnight nimbus
MP40 is accurate enough for range, but still kills slow af
midnight nimbus
plenty of time to move before the MP40 kills you at range
hoary condor
M95 for days
midnight nimbus
epic enemies walking in between your bullets
dense bone
so you can make them move, which relieves teammate from them
stoic breach
Thats a random chance of happening
dense bone
you can smoke them off
stoic breach
MMGs can suppress through smoke and spot
dense bone
its like we are arguing to not have strengths and weaknesses
stoic breach
Smoke is a good enough counter to the Boys AT but not to MMGs
dense bone
we want everything to be suitable for every scenario?
still dove
can they add the ucav to bf5 I dont like playing support in bf5 😟
midnight nimbus
I'm not arguing for lack of strengths and weaknesses
just that individual roles in BFV are too one dimensional
hoary condor
Gas Grenades pls
midnight nimbus
especially in vehicle play
dense bone
too one dimensional how?
stoic breach
Yeah right now medics are killing people at the range you want assaults to be
midnight nimbus
once you complete your primary role, you're pretty useless in others, and can't contribute well to team efforts
analog mist
wot
dense bone
considering assaults are basically good at all ranges...
marble phoenix
EVERYTHING
stoic breach
Assaults should be jack of all trades
dense bone
not all classes are useless at other aspects
stoic breach
But because they have SAR and AR they're optimised for the same ranges
midnight nimbus
no coincidence that these are the 3 most popular methods of play
because people don't enjoy feeling overly limited
stoic breach
Yeah assault can just outfrag everything as infantry
midnight nimbus
i'd rather make other methods of play feel slightly less limiting to compete
dense bone
you think people play certain ways for reasons?
most of them want to get kills and say "look at my kdr" the best way they think they can
stoic breach
Which would be to play assault
midnight nimbus
yeah, people play FPS to get kills
nothing wrong with that
that's what the genre was made for
dense bone
when its not the win condition...
midnight nimbus
well, depending on the mode, it heavily contributes
and i think that's a failure on BF's part
not tying your win conditions heavily enough to what players enjoy
dense bone
i think my kpm on medic is close to assault as well
midnight nimbus
good design: having fun = helping your team = winning
twin current
Do bayonet charges count as melee kills for challenges?
midnight nimbus
when FPS as a genre is based on shooting people for fun, and fragging doesn't have enough of an influence on winning
meh
dense bone
it does have an influence, it just isnt the win condition
midnight nimbus
i'd argue that the "helping your team" part is too difficult and not transparent enough in BF
dense bone
which is to the decision of the game itself
midnight nimbus
for new players at least
dense bone
if you want otherwise then you play tdm and no variants of fps should be allowed
midnight nimbus
well the whole point of objectives in FPS has long been to funnel people together to kill each other
dense bone
BRs win conditions are not determined by getting kills
midnight nimbus
yeah, that's why I don't play it
dense bone
so this is what you want from an fps and not what fps are/can be
idle breach
s2200 is weird
it's weird
seems like its hipfire spread is clearly tighter than reticle..
stoic breach
BR isnt really fps, its survival with shooting mechanics
midnight nimbus
@idle breach all MMGs and the Boys AT are like that
see: center biased distribution
@stoic breach literally this
stoic breach
Yeah
dense bone
fps is first person shooter, it defined the perspective and what the main function of the game is, not a strict set of rules that determines what an fps is
twin current
Do bayonet charges count as melee kills for challenges?
stoic breach
Yeah the point of BR isnt to kill, its to not get killed
You kill when it's necessary unless you're trying to play it like a shooter
dense bone
doesnt mean its not an fps..
dense bone
like i said, fps is perspective and how you function in the game
midnight nimbus
get your necessary kills at the end to survive
stoic breach
I think genres are more defined by their intent
Also to swing back around to BFV
Its easier to get kills than to help your team
Conquest in BFV is the closest you can get to 64 player team deathmatch
dense bone
you basically cant call a shooter just an fps anymore because most offer so much more than just shooting in a first person like DOOM
midnight nimbus
but you have set flag spawns you can have
stoic breach
Well you cant blame a player for not wanting to help teammates if its more rewarding to fraghunt
dense bone
but its not
its literally not the win condition how the fuck is that more beneficial?
its just what they want to do
stoic breach
Dice bringing back aura for crates is a step in the right direction for accessibility
midnight nimbus
I think the issue is that fraghunting isn't tied to helping your friendlies as much
dense bone
and being 1 person out of 32 they dont care about their impact
they just want to pad their stats
midnight nimbus
@stoic breach I want MAD accessibility
sly vault
it'd be nice to have skins for all the sights at the same time...
stoic breach
Yeah, its a casual game so why not make helping your teammates accessible
midnight nimbus
if padding one's stats is what players want, gameplay should be designed to make stat padding conducive to helping your team
like that's the original intent behind BF health crates
dense bone
because its casual and people already dont use half the teamwork abilities in game because people want a cool kdr
midnight nimbus
you throw them to heal yourself first and foremost
stoic breach
Healing and ammo spam is good for that
dense bone
hell you dont even revive
midnight nimbus
but as a lovely side effect, healing yourself helps your team
that's why i don't like pouches as a design
healing yourself doesn't help others
dense bone
yes it does...
stoic breach
Oh yeah, healing reciprocity was amazing in BF1
marble phoenix
medics got infinite health pack right?
stoic breach
Heal yourself directly by healing teammates
dense bone
if you heal yourself you dont take a tick away from the win/loss condition
stoic breach
You cant deny thats great
dense bone
and you add another body on the field to hopefully help in winning
midnight nimbus
that's a case of helping yourself being conducive to winning
but not a case of helping yourself equaling helping others
dense bone
but you literally said that healing youself doesnt help the team
midnight nimbus
helps your team win, but doesn't help the experience of the individuals
not necessarily the same thing
dense bone
not necessarily not the same thing either
midnight nimbus
you're thinking about the collective vs the individual
dense bone
if youre there to make it a 2v2 instead of a 1v2, my teammate is gonna have a better experience with me there
midnight nimbus
yeah, winning at the end is fun, but what about the experience leading up to the win on an individual level?
dense bone
im sure my teammate would like to have numbers on their side during a fight
midnight nimbus
you're still thinking too big on a macro level
dense bone
and i think youre nit picking and making blanket statements that dont make sense
midnight nimbus
something as simple as healing yourself in BF3 is altruistic, while it can be entirely selfish in BFV
midnight nimbus
there's no way to heal yourself quickly in BF3 without opening yourself up to help your team
dense bone
but ok
midnight nimbus
in BFV, I just spam self heal, and none of my teammates benefit
dense bone
except they do
stoic breach
The best way to counter that is to have a self-heal cooldown for medics
dense bone
if you heal yourself to stay alive you can heal them
feral grotto
man.. they need to decide.. or you making planes shit and need leading and all that now and remove the fking stalling that people exploit..
or revert the planes to what they were.
dense bone
but it is...
you being there adds to the number game
which in 32vs32 is a big benefit
midnight nimbus
another body in the zerg isn't necessarily a good thing
dense bone
thats only assuming in a zerg situation
midnight nimbus
that's often a body that should be elsewhere
or often a body that body blocks you running around
dense bone
or body blocks bullets from killing you
midnight nimbus
or a body that griefs you
dense bone
youre trying to make hard and fast rules for bfv which is extremely complicated and varies by hundreds if not thousands of variables
main grove
We are rear guns in this game so so so fucking useless
90% of the time your plane blocks your view
dense bone
those hard and fast rules usually contain conditions that are absolute, like being "entirely useless"
main grove
And they do fuck all damage
midnight nimbus
I'm thinking more along the lines of making a friendly presence always helpful vs sometimes helpful or actively detrimental
the possibility of the latter two kinda sucks
that's how teamplay should be made accessible
you should always be excited to see another teammate
marble phoenix
meh
midnight nimbus
knowing that they can contribute, regardless of their class choices or w/e
marble phoenix
ima loner in this game most of the time
mind you, i can squad up and play by the book and shit
dense bone
whats the difference between bfv and csgo by that definition?
sweet fulcrum
you know what could be cool? If halftracks, other than the driver and the gunners, had additional "passenger" sits
marble phoenix
CSGO = ?
stoic breach
Cooperation in Battlefield shouldn't require 100% perfect communication
dense bone
im saying, how does csgo bypass this "I'm thinking more along the lines of making a friendly presence always helpful vs sometimes helpful or actively detrimental"
midnight nimbus
CSGO is robust and your game modes aren't utterly broken by team composition being random or entirely pre-planned, firstly
stoic breach
Its probably a direct result of permadeath in CSGO actually
midnight nimbus
oh epic the S2-200 is broken
dense bone
its like kht says he wants one thing, and quotes another game for doing something right, but that contradicts his criticism of another game
csgo doesnt fit the conditions of the quote
midnight nimbus
like another big issue with BF is too much teamplay makes the game utterly unplayable for the other side
stoic breach
I feel like CSGO and BFV might just be bad comparisons
midnight nimbus
like in say, CoD, you can go up against a 6 man clan stack and have a chance if you're sufficiently good as an individual
dense bone
"like another big issue with BF is too much teamplay makes the game utterly unplayable for the other side"
does one team have resources that the other side doesnt have within the game?
stoic breach
I don't think its "much" as much as it is "not enough" or "not equal" teamplay
midnight nimbus
or even if you can't win, you can still have a decent time
full team coordination in BF is an incredibly cancerous beast
midnight nimbus
even without mics
dense bone
not a problem with the game
dense bone
most of these complaints are about the community vs wat dice has in game
midnight nimbus
yeah, don't want pubs emptying out just bc 6-8 friends decide to play together
which happens all the time
stoic breach
What dice has in game isn't helping the community
dense bone
and then you guys complaining that dice doesnt add measures that circumvent that problem
stoic breach
If they play as assault then maybe
dense bone
like any other game
midnight nimbus
the individual doesn't have enough tools to coordinate with randoms
stoic breach
Explosives plus the most accessible weapons
dense bone
ive played every class to match carrying levels
stoic breach
So have I, makes us outliers
dense bone
id say its easiest on medic given you can directly change the game
stoic breach
Power in numbers is only good in BFV because theres no power in having no numbers
dense bone
that power is determined by the power of the individual
something that you two have said isnt a case in bfv
stoic breach
Again, an outlier if you're good enough
dense bone
which is an outlier that both of you have said simply doesnt happen in this game
midnight nimbus
yeah, I hardly want new players without friends online to feel helpless as individuals
I think the relative power levels in CoD are solid
individuals can do well on their own
but running with friends is very strong
dense bone
its a first person shooter, a new players level of power pretty much translates from other games
thats why when i started i was already carrying games and topping leaderboards
stoic breach
Its why people gravitate towards SARs in BFV