battlefield-legacy-titles

[midnight nimbus]

well BF4 doesn't have projectile drag

it has kinda shit velocity, but velocity is constant

technically, BF1/V bolts have more drag

[compact oxide]

Hitscan tanks

[tribal cairn]

No

[opaque cipher]

Can also push your zeroing up

[stoic breach]

Almost hitscan

[tribal cairn]

Dear god no

[opaque cipher]

100-1000m

[stoic breach]

It was just a really fast velocity

Actually Halo CE it was hitscan

Halo 3 was velocity

[midnight nimbus]

infantry could cry so hard if BF had realistic tank projectile velocity

[opaque cipher]

MGs would reign supreme

[compact oxide]

I'd play even less

[midnight nimbus]

guns already have realistic velocity

[opaque cipher]

Pin them down with suppression and have the shit blasted out of them

[midnight nimbus]

for the most part

aside from bolts

[stoic breach]

It doesnt make sense why bolts suck so much in BFV

[midnight nimbus]

only bolt actions and tanks have low velocity

dude BF community loves watching le epic bullet drop

[opaque cipher]

Probably to discourage backline camping

[tribal cairn]

They can't do shit if they have 500 bullets whizzing over their heads at any given second

[stoic breach]

Hahaha

[midnight nimbus]

so DICE gave them le epic bullet drop for bolts

bc people love watching their fucking bullets drop like rocks

[stoic breach]

BFV could honestly have hitscan snipers for all the good they do

[midnight nimbus]

people bitched about BF1 having no bullet drop

[stoic breach]

Like Phantom Forces

[opaque cipher]

No thanks

[stoic breach]

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

so DICE gave them Martini Sniper

[stoic breach]

PF has hitscan with bullet drop

[midnight nimbus]

so they have a scope to watch how hard the bullets drop

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[compact oxide]

Well martini is a black powder rifle

[midnight nimbus]

with head bob animations and janky hitboxes, bolt actions need mad velocity

[compact oxide]

But that doesn't excuse BFV

[stoic breach]

Like what kinda mad?

[midnight nimbus]

like irl velocity at least

[opaque cipher]

Almost double

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 sniping was perfect

[compact oxide]

Hitscan

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[opaque cipher]

Right now they’re half to a third their actual velocity

[stoic breach]

Hitscan with calculated bullet drop

🌚

[midnight nimbus]

you can go in and do just as well with scout as you would with a semi auto in BF1

can't quite say the same for BFV

[opaque cipher]

[stoic breach]

No spam mate

[opaque cipher]

Wrong channel my dood

[compact oxide]

@cobalt elbow no.

[stoic breach]

Got his head in the clouds

[tribal cairn]

On BFV half the time with the ZH, I always over-lead them because I underestimate my muzzle velocity and I pretty much always miss

[compact oxide]

That's every gun for me

[stoic breach]

The ZH is annoying but if bolt actions were good it wouldnt be a problem

[midnight nimbus]

at least BFV recon has SLRs 😑

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[compact oxide]

I tend to over lead with guns

[midnight nimbus]

which i still think aren't good enough

compared to assault semis

[stoic breach]

If everything in the game was properly balanced, they could have the wackest weapon balance

[midnight nimbus]

ZH-29 has the same TTK as the G43 while being harder to use, more unforgiving, and has scope glint

epic

[cobalt elbow]

thank u marvel studio

for listening to its fans

[stoic breach]

I just wish the G43 wasnt so easy to use

[opaque cipher]

#general @cobalt elbow

[stoic breach]

Like the damage is fine I think

[opaque cipher]

This is battlefield related

[midnight nimbus]

Model 8 kills like 2 frames faster than the MAS-44 while being much harder to use with less kills per mag

[stoic breach]

But its recoil is still really manageable

[midnight nimbus]

epic

oh and none of the scout SLRs benefit from headshots like the assault semis do

[stoic breach]

You reckon SLRs should be one tap?

[midnight nimbus]

idk, sweet spot headshot would be a worthwhile idea

but i'd rather see a RoF buff

[opaque cipher]

Cycling without needing to unscope

[midnight nimbus]

no glint unless you're in your sweet spot headshot range would be interesting

[tribal cairn]

They could make that a specialization

[midnight nimbus]

no

[stoic breach]

Nah, just general

[midnight nimbus]

just make that standard across SLRs

[tribal cairn]

Cycling without needing to unscope?

[stoic breach]

Would be nice if ross straight pull was good

And had a faster rate of fire

[midnight nimbus]

or... just have all the straight pull bolts able to cycle w/o unscoping

[stoic breach]

If the Ross was a slow DMR like the Tromboncino it would be really nice

[midnight nimbus]

bc if you're running a bolt action, why wouldn't you run that specialization?

or just make the Ross like it was in BF1 😋

[stoic breach]

Pretty much still a slow dmr

[tribal cairn]

I loved the Ross Infantry in bf1

[stoic breach]

With sweet spot

[midnight nimbus]

or rechamber it to .280 Ross so it could be a proper long range high velocity beast

with a long range sweet spot

instead of .303 British, like the SMLE

[stoic breach]

I would rate that

Ross 100m sweet spot

[midnight nimbus]

i wasn't a fan of >100m sweet spots in BF1 tbh

i'd rather push recons to play at more useful ranges

i don't think engaging >100m is that useful

[tribal cairn]

You know, Recon needs a dedicated close quarters weapon that isn't a pistol carbine

[midnight nimbus]

the P08C is good wdym

[stoic breach]

Well thats pretty much RSC

[midnight nimbus]

S&W 27 soon™ for your CQB needs

[stoic breach]

Still wish P08C had 450rpm

[midnight nimbus]

^

i mean the P08C would be really hideously good at 450 RPM

but that's fine

[stoic breach]

Recon needs good weapons anyways

So no problem

[midnight nimbus]

assault SARs are hideously good, so the P08C could share the love

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[compact oxide]

Just make the p08C the 1903 experimental

[midnight nimbus]

that's basically what it is

same RoF

better damage model than the 1903exp

[stoic breach]

450rpm 3 shot kill to counter SMGs as recon

Would be really fucking nice

[opaque cipher]

Better sight picture

[midnight nimbus]

just use a scope lol

[tribal cairn]

Would be pretty neat

[stoic breach]

2x on the P08C is good

[midnight nimbus]

i mean at 360 RPM, the P08C already beats all the SMGs after close-mid range

[stoic breach]

Yeah but up close it would be an even better competitor

[midnight nimbus]

450 RPM would dunk on SMGs harder, but that's more of an SMG issue

[stoic breach]

Yeah its not that big a deal imo

Suomi is still the best pretty much

[tribal cairn]

Good SMG counter but still outranged by ARs, which is every assault, so It's balanced

[stoic breach]

ZK, Thompson and MAB as well

[midnight nimbus]

the lowest RoF SMGs literally need like

zero hrec

[stoic breach]

Low RoF SMGs for assault would be interesting to see as well

[compact oxide]

No

[midnight nimbus]

zero hrec 514 RPM ZK would unironically be kinda good

[compact oxide]

No more things for assault

[midnight nimbus]

zero hrec Bren would actually be super competitive

[stoic breach]

They nerfed the Bren and its still good

[compact oxide]

MP34 without the little horizontal jiggles

[midnight nimbus]

it was just a vrec nerf

[stoic breach]

Fair enough

[midnight nimbus]

i think aimed more towards Firestorm

just a usability nerf, not a performance one

it was pretty inconsequential on PC

[stoic breach]

Yeah in Firestorm I shredded with the Bren cause it was better than everything else pretty much

[midnight nimbus]

even as a player with zero problems controlling recoil, the "moar recoil" cries are just stupid

less recoil across the board is good for BF as a series

[stoic breach]

I just think that alot of the SARs are too controllable where they don't need to be

Whether more recoil is the best option or not

[grizzled lake]

What’s going on?

[stoic breach]

They really beat out alot of other weapons with less effort

[midnight nimbus]

i don't mind returning to launch levels of SAR low recoil

[compact oxide]

Just reintroduce RBD

[midnight nimbus]

"RBD" never left

[grizzled lake]

Lol

[opaque cipher]

Bring back my machine gun spread from 4

[midnight nimbus]

also like almost every FPS has spread

[opaque cipher]

[stoic breach]

Not Halo CE

[grizzled lake]

Miss halo

[midnight nimbus]

fairly sure it does

return to epic BF2 spread 😂

can't hit anything memes

[stoic breach]

The AR in CE has "spread" that doesnt change

[midnight nimbus]

yeah fixed base spread

but still has spread

[compact oxide]

Stormtrooper aim ftw

[stoic breach]

Technically yeah

[midnight nimbus]

lmao this is why people have such good memories of BF2

fuckhuge open maps are fine when no one can hit you while running through them

bc guns have so much spread in BF2

[opaque cipher]

LMGs in 4 can legit have video game shotgun spread at max spread

Effective range of 1m

[midnight nimbus]

yeah BF4 max spread is really high

highest of any modern BF

aside from BFH

BF4 LMGs used to have busted low spread

before they fixed stubby

your max spread was so low, you could just LMB them everywhere

[stoic breach]

Sounds great

[opaque cipher]

Now it’s two round burst or get out

Or bipod

[midnight nimbus]

now they just made hold LMB everywhere a BFV feature 😂

BF4 has always been about the microburst

[stoic breach]

I wish the BFV smgs had Titanfall levels of hipfire

[midnight nimbus]

click as fast as possible, all the time

[tribal cairn]

BF4 was a game where you HAD to have good recoil control or use the sar-21 to have consistency

[midnight nimbus]

but spray vs good players up close

lolololol

replay the game sometime

there's like no recoil

compared to BF1/BFV

[tribal cairn]

No recoil anymore? I remember there being some

[opaque cipher]

4 has nothing

[midnight nimbus]

it's always been that way

[opaque cipher]

You just do micro burst

[midnight nimbus]

BF has always progressively moved towards less spread, more recoil

[tribal cairn]

Huh, I must have really had memory then

[midnight nimbus]

microburst recoil can add up fast

especially with something like the FAMAS

[opaque cipher]

You might be thinking of DMR

Some of them can jerk a little

[tribal cairn]

Yeah, I always used the SKS

[opaque cipher]

But that’s animation not recoil

[midnight nimbus]

it's also bc of the way BF4 recoil decrease worked

more beneficial towards high RoF guns than low RoF guns

[opaque cipher]

Ye

[midnight nimbus]

so yeah DMRs were unnecessarily hard to use in BF4

[opaque cipher]

Recoil animation doesn’t play fully before another kicks in

And lower RoF DMRs had super high spread when shot rapidly

[midnight nimbus]

nah, more like recoil decrease decelerates

so your first frame decreases much more recoil than the subsequent frames

so in a high RoF, but low recoil per shot gun, you're fine

but in a DMR, which fires slowly but has more recoil per shot, you benefit less

[opaque cipher]

I will do full unlock on DMRs one day

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 fixed this, thankfully

so even though the RSC had high recoil, long time between shots means it recovers a lot more recoil than faster firing guns

oh also in BF4, you don't recover recoil unless you're firing slower than max RPM

[tribal cairn]

I loved being recon in BF4, gotta admit

[midnight nimbus]

which cucks DMRs

[opaque cipher]

It doesn’t work even in locker

Since the spam spread is so high

Just not competitive against anything faster than a carbine outside of cqc

[midnight nimbus]

mfw people said "why does BF1 have so much RBD? return to BF4"

lol

BF4 has so much more spread

[stoic breach]

It must just be a pc thing

I've never heard complaints on console about BF1 being difficult

[opaque cipher]

Console has stickiness

Also lower frames

[tribal cairn]

I wonder, do people still play bf4 on the PS3?

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 isn't "difficult", it's just harder to get max effectiveness out of your guns compared to BF4/V

[indigo kelp]

Top squad
Two assault players and two tankers

NA is a joke

[midnight nimbus]

but most people don't know how to get max effectiveness so they just assume guns are just like that

[compact oxide]

Bf1 was easy to play with a higher skill ceiling imo

[opaque cipher]

[indigo kelp]

Behemoths

[opaque cipher]

Nade spam time

[ancient ocean]

Moths

[compact oxide]

BFV is kinda anger inducing levels of urgh

[opaque cipher]

Keep in mind AT nade resupplies instantly

[compact oxide]

Fort de nade

[stoic breach]

Huh

[opaque cipher]

Mastering BF1:
equip gas, AT and dynamite
Put on gas mask
Equip SMG08/18
Spam every explosive
Go in

[stoic breach]

I recorded a clip of myself bipodding on someone's back with the Boys AT and getting a kill

[opaque cipher]

120/0

[stoic breach]

Shows how effective being able to ADS anywhere with it is

[compact oxide]

Monte Crappa, Giants Shitshow

[midnight nimbus]

FDV 🤢

Giant's Shadow on TDM/DOM 😩

[opaque cipher]

Monte Grappa more like big gun farming central

Giant’s Shadow conquest

[compact oxide]

Pree much

[opaque cipher]

Middle is just grenade farm

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 is the best small mode BF

[stoic breach]

Monte Grappa I would tapfire kill at midrange with the M1912/p.16 just to mess with people

[compact oxide]

Giants Shadow conquest is only beaten out by galacia as worst map

[stoic breach]

Giants Shadow TDM is really good

[opaque cipher]

Oh god galacia

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 was the peak of small modes

[compact oxide]

Never any PC OCE servers for anything but conquest tbh

[opaque cipher]

What’s that one map that’s on fire and has trenches

[midnight nimbus]

i don't like BF1 CQ either

[compact oxide]

Had one Dom server that got filled once in a blue moon

[midnight nimbus]

aside from Amiens and Achi Baba

[opaque cipher]

The one where people can farm your spawn

[compact oxide]

Verdun

[rocky verge]

Verdun hights?

[opaque cipher]

Ye

Literally spawn in plain sight

[rocky verge]

nah

[compact oxide]

Verdun is run to C on spawn sim

[stoic breach]

Verdun oh my fucking god

[rocky verge]

Verdun=set me on fire option Active

[stoic breach]

That sucked so hard on CQ

[compact oxide]

Had some really great games on Verdun

[midnight nimbus]

i hate how BF1/BFV maps are full of random fires and rubble

[opaque cipher]

I just want more complexity in maps

Not random field #390 with houses or city #420

[midnight nimbus]

BFH maps take the cake for that

[opaque cipher]

Ye

It feels too two dimensional rn

If you have a house just explode it

Nobody has cover no more

[compact oxide]

But fortifications

[tribal cairn]

And with luck, you kill everyone inside

[stoic breach]

Fortifications are great on gamemodes that arent Conquest

[solid hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/432740303825403906/591517396301250580/image0.jpg

[tribal cairn]

Breakthrough is pretty good for fortification

[opaque cipher]

Removal of heli and faster planes mean that now infantry can only really target tanks realistic tbh

And tank & plane are extended more into infantry gameplay but aren’t quite the same as slow planes in BF1 or helis since they’re not quite as touchable as before

It’s just messy

[midnight nimbus]

planes 🤢

helis are way more touchable than BFV planes

[opaque cipher]

Ye

[tribal cairn]

BF1 was hell on the ground with attack planes coming at you from every direction

Every pilot I have ever seen was always level 50 Pilot

[opaque cipher]

If a tanker or pilot is good you needed to have it painted and shot at by all engis

[tribal cairn]

And they always had attack plane

[opaque cipher]

And planes aren’t quite good against inf

Now it’s you can’t touch them but they can still fuck with you

And both sides feel awful at it because it’s not fun

[midnight nimbus]

planes don't belong in BF

seriously

[opaque cipher]

In 4 I saw them more as a heli killer

[compact oxide]

Bf1 turned into heavy bomber spam

[opaque cipher]

If engi can’t take care of them

And occasionally kill tanks

[tribal cairn]

Tanks and other vehicles? Sure. Aircraft? Kill me.

[midnight nimbus]

tanks and helis only pls

[opaque cipher]

They can still work as vehicle hunter

Similar to what dice has been pushing them to be now in V

But they really shouldn’t mess with infantry

[midnight nimbus]

ew

[opaque cipher]

Let heli and tanks do that

[midnight nimbus]

the thing with vehicle hunter only planes

wtf do you do once you kill the vehicles

fly circles i guess

that's the BF4 stealth jet

[opaque cipher]

That’s what planes are now

[midnight nimbus]

also annoying af on the tank's side

no counter

[opaque cipher]

Your anti-infantry game is so weak you might as well crash

[midnight nimbus]

little warning

[opaque cipher]

Nobody likes it

This is why a perfect medium must exist between infantry and untangeble planes & armoured behemoth

And right now it doesn’t

[midnight nimbus]

BFH 👌

[opaque cipher]

😩💦

[midnight nimbus]

infy, ground vehicles, and helis could all hurt each other

epic

[opaque cipher]

Ye

Cars might’ve been a little too weak

But it works better overall

It’s dynamic

[midnight nimbus]

anyone who says BFH is a bad game hasn't played it and/or put 15 seconds into thinking about the game

[solid hinge]

had a moment last night that summed up the issue with tanks perfectly last night, 2 tigers on panzerstorm breakthrough, left flank, no enemies except a lone assault behind a stone wall. guy runs TOWARDS the tanks, kills one and almost the other, bunny hopping like spring toy. in rl if anyone saw 2 tigers coming at them they would drop several turds and crawl in a hole .. tanks may as well not be armoured

[midnight nimbus]

that's fine

if you get soloed by an assault as a Tiger, you're an idiot

[solid hinge]

strong words

[midnight nimbus]

if you get soloed by an assault in any tank, literally gitgud

[opaque cipher]

They aren’t sitting at the back of the map camping with a row of other tankers

[midnight nimbus]

seriously

[opaque cipher]

People need to do the unbreakable formation

[midnight nimbus]

if you get soloed by an assault as a tank, that's 110% your fault

[solid hinge]

so seriously are you joking or something?

[midnight nimbus]

that's what i like about tanking

[drifting marsh]

or 4 assaults

[midnight nimbus]

outside from getting bombed out of nowhere

every death is entirely accountable

if you get soloed by an assault, you played really really badly

[opaque cipher]

BFV tanks are exactly like BF1 recon & medic relationships

[solid hinge]

ok .. evidently you are a god tier tanker, gl to you

[opaque cipher]

You watch out for each other and sit way back

Otherwise you just die

It’s pretty sad

Idk, before you play vehicle you think they’re all toxic annoyance

[indigo kelp]

Most of what kills me in BFV is either a prone assault player or a tank

[midnight nimbus]

with almost 3500 kills in a tank, i've probably gotten assault soloed twice

[opaque cipher]

But when you do give it a shot it’s suffering

[midnight nimbus]

maybe 3x tops

and that's 100% my fault

for not checking my surroundings

[opaque cipher]

I think I got solo assault twice out of the few hundred times I did tank

[indigo kelp]

Medics need something AT so I can atleast deal a bit of damage before getting blown up

[opaque cipher]

Most of the time it was a squad driving down to my ass and blowing me up with everything

[midnight nimbus]

not like i tank camp either

[indigo kelp]

The 8 hand grenade damage is a start

[midnight nimbus]

with >2 KPM in my most used tank

[opaque cipher]

If I don’t explode them first

[solid hinge]

Saw a dude with a gold ZH

[midnight nimbus]

you have a 3p camera for a reason

[indigo kelp]

gold zh 🤢

[opaque cipher]

My KPM is probably like 3-4

Because I camp a ton

[indigo kelp]

[opaque cipher]

Just sit with other tanks and use them as a shield & alarm

If they blow up just smoke and pull back

[midnight nimbus]

> 3-4 KPM
> camping
[x]

[opaque cipher]

I know

I’m bad

[midnight nimbus]

that's dropping like 60-70 kills a game

at 3-4 KPM

[indigo kelp]

So new playlist

Just cq and breakthrough that’s it?

[stoic breach]

Wtf

[opaque cipher]

Excluding time to cruise around and resupply ye it might be possible

[midnight nimbus]

well yeah, if you wanna exclude moving around and resupplying

if you toss those out, my KPM is probably insane

[indigo kelp]

That’s probably why they added a resupply function

[midnight nimbus]

> excluding the things that take up most of your time in BFV

[opaque cipher]

True

[midnight nimbus]

literal Nintendogs: the FPS

that's what BFV is

[stoic breach]

Pretty much

[opaque cipher]

BF modern or Vietnam when

[midnight nimbus]

Nintendogs: draw shapes with your stylus to wash your dog
BFV: draw shapes with your mouse to control your gun
Nintendogs: swipe up to forcefeed dogs treats
BFV: press 3 to forcefeed teammates health and ammo
Nintendogs: run around in circles to fetch treats and frisbees
BFV: run around in circles to fetch health and ammo
Nintendogs: no comp scene and no one cares about top level play
BFV: no comp scene and no one cares about top level play

[opaque cipher]

They try still

I just want high skill and fast tanks and heli back

[midnight nimbus]

see, being slow isn't a problem

if it's a fast playing game

[tribal cairn]

As long as I get there, it's fine

[midnight nimbus]

Halo gives you mad health regen for sitting still

yet it's not a campy game

you don't see prone MG players in BF4

[opaque cipher]

Nah fast as in turret turning and active protection

Means you can really get in there and be with the action

[midnight nimbus]

i think no APS wouldn't be a problem if they made BFV smokescreen work like BF4's

idk why they axed that

[opaque cipher]

If only

[tribal cairn]

To be fair, you really needed that active protection because RPGs were an absolute pain

[midnight nimbus]

as annoying as it is, idt limited turrets are inherently an issue either

nah smokescreen = top BF4 pick

if you can manage your reps

[opaque cipher]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1#/media/File:Russische_Schmetterlingsmine_PFM-1.jpg

Hope they add this

[echo glen]

Strange contraption

[indigo kelp]

Oh god the kiddy killer

[stoic breach]

The nob

[solid hinge]

What the hecc

Cant wait for hamada part 2

[cobalt grove]

wtf is wrong with everyone in grand operation leaving game in day 3

fucking 17/26 and we still holding

[hoary condor]

[solid hinge]

I was gonna say why play grand ops but then i remembered they took away dom and frontlines lmao

[hoary condor]

Wish there was a thing as, Playing 1 game of

6 hours later

[echo glen]

I can't find 1 game of FS

Which sucks because I have 2 assignments that need FS

😡

[hoary condor]

Try solo and squads

[echo glen]

I did

Loaded for 6 minutes without any results

[indigo kelp]

[hoary condor]

PC?

[charred salmon]

Anyone know if they fixed the last tiger skin unlock bug?

[hoary condor]

I heard something on Twitter

don't know for sure though mate

[gray glade]

they said they fixed it but occasionally ppl still come in here and say its bugged, you should be able to contact EA support via chat and they can add it to your armory

as long as you did all the challenges for it

[hoary condor]

still find it weird that the STG 44 takes rifle ammo

[green elm]

surely it’s for balance

[misty sparrow]

@hoary condor what ammo should it take then

[tribal cairn]

Well technically, it's not a rifle round but not a pistol round either, the STG takes intermediate rounds ( 7.92 )

It's an in-between thing

Hence intermediate

But it's akin to a rifle round, so eh

Intermediate Rifle Round

[hoary condor]

It's an assault rifle i guess.. but dunno tbf

[brisk field]

you do realize that bolt action rifle > semi auto rifle > assault rifle

if it wasnt using rifle ammo then it'd just be an smg or soemthing

[hoary condor]

True

[main grove]

Stg's bullets are the same diameter of the rifle round but are shorter

Intermediate cartridges back then were usually just shorter versions of the current standard issue cartridge

[smoky horizon]

imagine still playing this game...

[solid hinge]

Oh i forgot

Yall got this number bug?

Keep hitting enemies for 140

Idk why

[random ice]

Yeah it’s a known bug

[solid hinge]

Oh okay

[random ice]

Apparently the ttk is same

It’s just the numbers that are a bit fudged up

[solid hinge]

I assumed so.

Are you ready for al sundir

I hear there might be a little bit of cover on it

Fingers crossed huh

[random ice]

Kinda sad that it’s delayed tbh

[solid hinge]

Im not excited either way. A map with no cover and a whole lot of open desert.

Fun.

[idle breach]

uj

uh

why did dice postponed the entire tow..?

can't they just delay the al sundance or whatever map if the map is flawed??

[random ice]

Dude
Start making assumptions when you’ve actually played it lol @solid hinge

[solid hinge]

They can tak as much time as they need. Whatever means less bugs

Bruh i have

[idle breach]

yeah I guess but

[solid hinge]

Its on story mode

Lmao

[random ice]

It’s not the same

It’s modified for mp

[idle breach]

dice said al sundance something so I was expecting the map itself would be postponed

[gray glade]

mmg/lmg style elite when?

[solid hinge]

Oh god

[gray glade]

they're all snipers

[idle breach]

al sunda?

[random ice]

Just wait for it to actually come out

[solid hinge]

Lmao

[idle breach]

al sudane? something

[solid hinge]

Sundar i think

[gray glade]

al sundan

[solid hinge]

Either way it just looks like a yellow hamada

Orange*

[idle breach]

sounds like northern africa

[solid hinge]

It is

[gray glade]

i reckon al sundan might come in august then`?

[idle breach]

tunis?

[random ice]

Nah it’s coming on the 27tg for smaller modes

Maybe a week later for conquest

27th*

[idle breach]

I realised I need more time than I expected to get used to a map so

a week delay is fine

[gray glade]

i dont play smaller modes

[solid hinge]

All im saying is im sick of maps that have 20% destructable buildings and 80% open fields

[idle breach]

me too..

[gray glade]

so for me the real al sundan relase comes later

[solid hinge]

Marita is gonna be sick tho

[gray glade]

agreed brumpins

a part of why bf games turn to sniper and mmg fests nowadays is because maps are so open

[solid hinge]

Exactly

[random ice]

I hope the 5v5 maps are integrated into the normal modes

They look lit

[solid hinge]

5v5 looks so cool

[idle breach]

I think dice should just

focus on combined arms thingy

[solid hinge]

Hope its as close quarters as they say

Combined arms is just easy target practice

[idle breach]

fix some bugs but don't really buff or nerf the plane/tank, I would prefer just 'many tanks'

[prime pine]

They need to spend more time on these updates

[idle breach]

imo main problem about fighers in bfv is not about AA guns or plane v plane, even if I delete the enemy teams plane the entire round, all I would do is staying at the bottom of the leaderboard, just throwing some MGs in faraway infrantries..

at least give some reward for like.. maintaining air superiority?

[prime pine]

Maybe an update every two months will actually work. Cause fucking hell there are so many god damn bugs it's laughable.

[solid hinge]

They need to add a rebuild fortifications squad reinforcement so when the entire 5 buildings that get leveled are gone, we can still build cover

Add it to mp i mean

[idle breach]

yeah

and if we have more vehicle tickets tankers would think about round up and doing some real offensive

no matter how somebody is good at driving tank, one or two tank is not really impressive..

[random ice]

Unpopular opinion :
Hamada breakthrough is pretty damn good

[solid hinge]

Thats all u got on bf4

[prime pine]

It's bettrt than conq hamada

sub

[solid hinge]

Breakthrough isnt fun but its the lesser of the evils i guess

[blazing pasture]

What's going on, peoples

[solid hinge]

When im not playing swuad conquest

[gray glade]

hamada breakthrough works okayish i think

[random ice]

The best matches I’ve had are on Hamada breakthrough Cz of the length of the game plus the numerous V1s

[solid hinge]

I can see why you would like it tho sublime

[random ice]

So many flanking routes too so it’s great

[solid hinge]

Its okay imo

[random ice]

Fjell is horrible tho

[gray glade]

breakthrough when enemy has a good bomber pilot though

[solid hinge]

God fjell

[random ice]

And aerodome

[solid hinge]

Literally no cover

[winged lantern]

The most enjoyable games Ive played in bfv were in frontlines 👀

[solid hinge]

Aerodrome has 8 buildings

8 buildings

In a battlefield map

[random ice]

It’s a sniper fest

[blazing pasture]

Aerodrome and Hamada need to have a bunch of extra cover/buildings scattered around.

[random ice]

On the first sector in breakthrough

[solid hinge]

Oh boy i love running to an objective only to get shot at by half the lobby of snipers and there being no cover haha what a #battlefield-legacy-titlesmoment

[gray glade]

smoke?

[solid hinge]

Only get 3

[gray glade]

5

[random ice]

Yeah I main medic and I spam smoke everywhere

[solid hinge]

I use mollies

[idle breach]

mollies?

[gray glade]

molotovs im guessing

[solid hinge]

Molotov

[blazing pasture]

Ecstacy

[idle breach]

oh

[random ice]

Only way to get from one point to another in large maps

[idle breach]

yeah

[solid hinge]

What if i wanna play assault

[idle breach]

is molotov legal in america

[solid hinge]

I shouldnt be locked to one class just to go accross the map

[random ice]

Then u knock them out with the piat

[blazing pasture]

As in can I make a molotov cocktail in America?

[winged lantern]

mmgs make breakthrough a nightmare every corner theres someone laying down with a mmg

[solid hinge]

Yeah okay just piat all of the snipers

[idle breach]

in some nations throwing molotovs in anywhere would be illegal like shooting in public places, when nobody got hurt

[solid hinge]

All im sayin is this whole "1 peice of cover per 5 miles" thing is getting old

[blazing pasture]

Molotovs are regulated by the ATF because they're classed as a destructive weapon, and are flat out illegal in most states.

[idle breach]

shame.

[random ice]

The best game of bf5 over ever had was in breakthrough areas second sector
Defending that large church with a Suomi and zk was lit af

I racked up nearly 40 kills just spamming smoke and flanking

[solid hinge]

I stopped using the suomi cause its not allowed on esb but the zk is amazing

[gray glade]

esb?

[solid hinge]

Idk what it stands for but its competitive

Esports battlefield i guess?

[blazing pasture]

Considering the U.S. government pusses out on normal weapons a lot, I'm not surprised if anything is illegal

[random ice]

The zk is my absolute favourite gun

[solid hinge]

My faves probably sturmgewher

It hit so hard for that rpm

[arctic orchid]

I tried ZK but can't get used without quick aim thing, and I don't like the 30 mags light fire option

[random ice]

To each their own I guess

I usually hipfire so it’s pretty good for me

[solid hinge]

That high fire rate plus the 30 mag makes the zk a 9/10

I cant hipfire. I dont trust it lol

[arctic orchid]

Not a fan of it, for same recoil would go Tommy with 50 bullets or Soumi

It has same kick

But I would like accurate 40 mags one but I ads a lot and without quick aim I die a lot

[solid hinge]

Zk has better irons tho

[arctic orchid]

cuz it's slow

[solid hinge]

So i can flex the full gold

[arctic orchid]

I am at last assignemtn with it but I am lazy

[random ice]

Zk outguns tommy tbh

[solid hinge]

Sometimes

[arctic orchid]

Got every other gun on golden and missing that last one for zk (on medic)

[blazing pasture]

I wish that the skins for guns came with every sight

[solid hinge]

I have all medic guns gold

[random ice]

The last assignment for zk gold has been pending for me for so long
I get so many kills with it but never in objective areas

[hoary condor]

F

[arctic orchid]

I am used to it with rest of the medics, but I can't get used to it

[solid hinge]

Medic gold assignments are the worst

[arctic orchid]

I see a lot of people taking 40 mags accurate one but How can they play without quick aim xD

[random ice]

I go for the higher rof

It shreds

[solid hinge]

Wuick aim is a must have

[arctic orchid]

Yup quick aim on everything

[solid hinge]

But again, i cant hipfire

I dont trust it

[blazing pasture]

I don't ever use quick aim. My medic guns are almost always hip-fire specialized.

[random ice]

^

Same

[arctic orchid]

True, but I just like it xD

[random ice]

I rarely ADS

[solid hinge]

That must be why they added the range guns for medic

This entire time ive thought medic was op

[arctic orchid]

Mine as also hipfire specd but I need quick aim just in case xD

[random ice]

Hipfiring at close to medium is bae
Plus, I avoid long range encounters Cz the recoil is too hard to control

[solid hinge]

Tap fire?

Mp40 tap fire is 😩

[arctic orchid]

oof I really hate objective kills

Cuz I flank a lot

[random ice]

Same

Mp40 is pretty good too

[solid hinge]

I dont like the dmr final gold assignment

[random ice]

The only medic gun I prefer ADSing with

[arctic orchid]

I hate all objective assignemnets

[solid hinge]

10 headshots in obj area in 1 life or 20 in q rounds

[arctic orchid]

I actually made a post on forums and talked to Braddock he liked the idea and forwarded it to Dev team, but they can just put it in trash can xD

[solid hinge]

I can't play well enough for quick aim to make a difference on smaller zoom weapons

Like why do that

[arctic orchid]

So I hope it will be implemented in some way

[random ice]

For some reason, I can’t control the tommy and Suomi after the update anymore

Maybe it’s Cz of the new recoil pattern or something

[arctic orchid]

I stopped using my most kill gun STG cuz of the update on tap fire

Burst fire*

[random ice]

Had to play with the zk quite a bit to get used to it

[gray glade]

is the suomi spread really random or something? i feel it can go from awesome to complete trash lol

[random ice]

Exactly

[solid hinge]

same with the zk

Only SLFs i have gold are the 1-5, the AG, and the m1A1

Cause those challenges are ruff

[arctic orchid]

Damn dude you managed to get m1a1 I am struggling for months now 😦

But I am on PC

[random ice]

I keep the high rof low mag Suomi as an emergency gun lol

[solid hinge]

Ehat sight? @arctic orchid

[random ice]

Just in case I need to take out an annoying camper

[arctic orchid]

x3

[solid hinge]

Idk what to say mang

[arctic orchid]

I have all Semi autos on last assignment stuck 😦

[solid hinge]

SAME

[arctic orchid]

@solid hinge x3 scope

[random ice]

What’s a better gun to use btw?
The Lewis or the Bren?

[solid hinge]

Nono i know. Just not sure what to tell u

I only got it gold during a scrim

[blazing pasture]

I feel like I'm the only person who hates Firestorm

[solid hinge]

Lewis

Imo

Bit i dont play support

[arctic orchid]

@blazing pasture Nope, I hate all Battle Royals

[random ice]

Full disclosure: I haven’t played firestorm yet

[blazing pasture]

Same

[random ice]

Haven’t touched it

[solid hinge]

Firestorm needs less snow

[prime pine]

FINALLY. A deathless tank round.

[blazing pasture]

Also, use the Lewis with the 3x

[prime pine]

Firestorm is fun. Just the paid model for it is absolutely fucked.

[solid hinge]

I would love the LS if it didnt only have 20 rounds

[prime pine]

It needs to be free to play. No excuses.

[solid hinge]

Like give it 28 or something

[prime pine]

Nobody plays fire storm in Oceana

[random ice]

Yeah Lewis with 3x is my go to

[prime pine]

Which is annoying cause personally. I really did enjoy Fire storm.

Lewis and Bren with their scopes is top stuff.

[solid hinge]

Its okay it just needs more weapons and i wanna use my skins in FS

[blazing pasture]

But the Lewis can have 97 rounds

[prime pine]

Yeah i think they're gonna do that

[solid hinge]

I want all skins gold.

[prime pine]

Brum

I"m not sure.

[solid hinge]

Except snipers i eill never prone for that long.

[arctic orchid]

Yeah but you are good with 47 I listened to @solid hinge advice

[prime pine]

Was the ping that necessary?

[blazing pasture]

The only times I play Firestorm is for the big 30k ToW challenges

[arctic orchid]

@solid hinge Do everything you can in Combined arms (prone kills) for recon

[solid hinge]

I cant believe i never thought of that lmao

Bruh

You saved me

[arctic orchid]

😛

I did them there, I am not gonna lay down and be a big target dummy to other snipers xD

Altho I got stuck on one assignemtn with Kar98k kill enemies over 60m and it's not counting

[solid hinge]

The spread change makes it harder to use stuff after the first 5 bullets

Might be worth burst firing

[tight tusk]

burst works better now

[arctic orchid]

It's a bit easier to burst fire on consoles

[solid hinge]

In this game where playing chameleon is the meta, i just have a problem eith proning in general.

I like 47 mag Lewis! It's almost too good..

I hear aim is better on MnK

Easier i mean

[tight tusk]

imagine using 47 mag when you can use the 86 mag or whatever outrageous thing

[prime pine]

AYLA

AMAZING DISCOVERY

The churchill mkvii's gun can shoot through wooden walls

[random ice]

I prefer the smaller mag for the other specialisations

[arctic orchid]

It is but burst fire is easier to control on consoles since you pressing the what ever button is on the back bumper I think, won't move your crossair, while burst firing can fuck up your aiming on mouse

[tight tusk]

most guns can shoot through walls @prime pine

[solid hinge]

pow...

I never thought of that @arctic orchid

[prime pine]

thought it was an mmg exclusive feature

[tight tusk]

nah

[solid hinge]

Couldnt that be avoided with a better mouse?

[gray glade]

do different guns to different damage through walls? i feel with mmgs like the mg42 i rarely do damage through walls but with mounted mmg's like on transports i shred enemies through walls

[solid hinge]

I do believe the larger machine guns (tanks, lmgs, mmgs) can shoot through certain walls and to an extent sandbags

[tight tusk]

yeah bullet velocity and dmg usually drops

bullet velocity is drastic, dmg depends on the gun

[arctic orchid]

@solid hinge Using Asus Rog Gladius 2 competitive mouse and still kinda ruff, maybe I am trash xD

[solid hinge]

Lol

Nah but i think mmgs dont need bullet pen

[tight tusk]

no guns can shoot through brick/concrete

[solid hinge]

High ammo lazer gun that can shoot through walls yeah okay lmao

[tight tusk]

all guns can shoot through wood

[solid hinge]

You can shoot through the tin walls on aero tho

[tight tusk]

some guns can shoot through wood better than others

[solid hinge]

Got a headshot eith a sniper through it

[tight tusk]

yeah thats thin stuff tho

[arctic orchid]

Bullets can bounce of rocks also

[solid hinge]

Yes im js

[tight tusk]

i dont think any gun can shoot through sandbags either

i could be wrong

[arctic orchid]

If targets are right behind the rock if you shoot at the top boarder of rock it will ricochet

[tight tusk]

piat

[solid hinge]

And can we increase panzer damage to buildings? Shouldnt take 3 rockets to break one part of a building i mean cmon

[tight tusk]

realistically speaking they didnt really have enough velocity/force to break walls

only broke armour because theyre self propelled ap rounds

or some fancy shit

[solid hinge]

I wouldnt play battlefield if i wanted realism

[tight tusk]

true

but if you want to break walls then use piat i guess

[solid hinge]

Yeah i know

But sometimes i cant

[tight tusk]

why lol

piat is more effective against tanks too

[solid hinge]

Banned in ESB

I feel like I remember hitting people through sandbags with tank machine guns for like 2 damage a shot

this may have been a dream

Panzerfaust is pretty shit compared to piat right now

Damage vs tanks is basically the same, but it has fuck-all splash, cant bust fortifications and has a significantly longer reload

it's worse and theres not really a reason for it being worse

Thank you

Yes

All of that

I dont know why they nerfed it

Like why nerf it that hard

If Piat was shit vs tanks then like

I'd understand

One anti infantry launcher and one anti tank launcher

but currently the piat is anti everything

the only thing the Faust has going for it is increased velocity

[gray glade]

i like the faust on tank maps

[solid hinge]

which like.. only helps vs moving tanks

[gray glade]

like panzerstorm etc

[solid hinge]

Piat has the mortar so it's even easier to hit stationary tanks with

[gray glade]

i find its difficult to aim with piat at longer ranges

could be bad aim on my part tho 😄

[solid hinge]

You can still account for velocity on piats tho

So the panzer is still useless

I use the faust on my anti tank assault cause I like the animations and it does feel easier to use at range, but I'm pretty sure if I was better at aiming I could do it with a piat

piat is just significantly better and I dont know why

Use the piat more and u will get used to it

I was terrible with my shots but now i can snipe with it just like the panzer

If you have the Faust and theres no tanks around it's basically a wasted gadget

Yep

While the piat is like.. a free tank shot

That reloads in under a second

Piat is easy tank kills. Thats why esb banned it.

Panzer just needs more soft destruction so i dont have to waste all my ammo to blow up one wall of a building

Yeah

Kinda supposed to be the point of assault

Fortification busting

If you take frag rifle and panzerfaust you cant bust anything though

Frag rifle bammed also. lets talk about why they named the boys AT an anti tank just so it could be excused as a one shot kill.

I am genuinely baffled at why that gun is not just another assault gadget insted

With more damage to tanks of course

Cause then assault gets every anti tank tool

I'd like medic to have something that wasnt attached to a bolt action

[prime pine]

Snipers hitting you from 100m+ away with their at rifle while in a tank requires more mental gymnastics than deciding weather or not traps gay.

[solid hinge]

Ot doesnt even do anything to tanks lmao

Its literally just a 1 hit kill sniper

You could say "the bipod keeps it balanced cause you have to prone to use it" but the hipfire is already stupid accurate and people prone anyway so youre literally just giving a free 1 shot kill to the worst players

Its pretty laughable

[solid hinge]

Pre ordered

[dark solstice]

i'd use my hard earned money on him

[solid hinge]

i want a keanue reeves elite

[dark solstice]

yeah

but he'd be too op

[solid hinge]

With a cool ass pistol skin 👀

better than phantom of the opera

[sonic rampart]

Tfw you cant make exp but it says ‘Trial by fire is over, unlock remaining rewards’ , bc asking you to buy what you have failed to get with boins

[solid hinge]

I liked phantom of the opera tho

Him and frenchie are the only ones i bought

anyone still playing bf4?

Yes

When the only server isnt "24/7 SHANGHAI NO STINGER IGLA"

true

trying to find players on pc to play with since i solo

I used rpg anyway but it was always funny seeing the pilots afraid of lock ons

ya

Still gets banned if u use a soflam

[gray glade]

bf4 is the only game BF game i played so far (didnt play BFH) where infantry actually had genuine counter to air power

and predictably pilots hated it

[solid hinge]

Bf4 was so good. So so so so so so so good.

I like bfvs gunplay more tho

Only by a little

seeing there reaction to being shot out is truly amazing

[hot berry]

being new to the game, i was wondering if the Elite`s you can buy change at all, like are there differrent ones to buy on a rotation other than Seamus , hanna ernst etc

[solid hinge]

Those were recently addef

They will add more

[hot berry]

ok cool thanks

[solid hinge]

Not sure if theyre gonna take them off armory tho sry

[sweet fulcrum]

Do you think it would be actually unironically possible to have a Gun Jesus (inspired or straight up him) elite set

[gray glade]

i would love it for the americans tbh

possibly an airborn dude Band of brothers style as well

[prime pine]

I SJSUSUSB

I FEEL SO FUCKING DIRTY

103-15 AUTOMATIC 12 G ONLY

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[sweet fulcrum]

Name: Ian McCollum
Birthplace: Idk heaven
description:

he can

[marble phoenix]

that was what grand ops? @prime pine

[solid hinge]

12g is the worst shotgun but still a shotgun sooooooo

Its like bragging cause you did great with a automatic nuke gun

Lmao

[prime pine]

Conquest devastation

[marble phoenix]

TOUGH

[solid hinge]

jesus

How do you even find that many people to kill

[placid imp]

I hate when the person that killed me is dead and my squad mate sits 4m from me and does not revive me

[gray glade]

sometimes there are reasons for that

like he's afraid to get killed by someone else

you might be in a position that would get him killed etc

[stoic breach]

MAB 38 is very nice after playing around with it

[solemn wedge]

ZK still better

[prime pine]

I ran around a lot

The match was very long

I need a rest. My head actually hurts

On that map. We lost at 0-22

[feral grotto]

Pressed too much w?

[prime pine]

LS stick forward LOTS OF SLIDER

Sliding

[feral grotto]

[prime pine]

Shump shump shump

Made some one salty

So

Im proud

[feral grotto]

Oh that's every game..

[prime pine]

Playing the objective hard

Very

Very

Hard

Two rockets

[feral grotto]

People are harsh towards me cuz they think I'm Russian..

Intead of trying to read the 3 letters in my name they get confused..

So they think it's cyka

[prime pine]

Russian didnt even cross my mind

[feral grotto]

I mean . It's just 3 letters.. how did you messed that up and added a letter?

[prime pine]

I would say your name like Sie-ky

[solid hinge]

anyone on some bfV action on PC?

[prime pine]

Or see-kai

Im so tired

Ufh

[feral grotto]

cee k why

[prime pine]

I aint sleepy yet

[feral grotto]

But it's ok usually people can't say my name right cuz they are too young to connect the dots

[prime pine]

Ayla.

I may of shot my first plane out of the sky with the churchill

[brisk field]

best ive got was 25-7 in a round of squad with only a g95

[solid hinge]

Correct me if I am worng, but on the Defying the Odds trailer. When it showed Al Sundan, looks like the P-51D is making an appearance. Or is that just the snow camo Spitfire on the runway?

[brisk field]

p51d huh

[placid imp]

When it defying the odds coming out ?

Is*

[stoic breach]

@prime pine

Should I add you on xbox live

[solid hinge]

@placid imp Next Thursday.

[brisk field]

nice pfp man

i too love 80s retro

[placid imp]

Thanks. I wasn’t for sure because on the battlefield post game stats it said January 27

[prime pine]

Feel free raze. @RazenToast#1177

@stoic breach

[stoic breach]

Yeah

Nice anime profile pic

@prime pine

[prime pine]

KOMI SAN

[open raft]

What the Reward for this week in BF V

?

[prime pine]

Nothing

[gray glade]

no ToW until the 27th

there is a break because chapter 4 starts then

[solid hinge]

This week is a catch-up week for players who failed to hit tier 40 in Trial by Fire. In which they can use BFC to buy their missing tiers. @open raft

[gray glade]

it sucks that im literally half a level from reaching 40

😄

[winged lantern]

I wish they would bring back service stars

[gray glade]

for weapons?

[solid hinge]

I hit 40 in four weeks.

[winged lantern]

Yeah and vehicles

[gray glade]

yeah me too

[winged lantern]

It Just gave you another thing to grind towards

[arctic orchid]

Bloody hell

guys

I just finished last zk mastery in one life

in one flank

[marble phoenix]

"Grind" starts up when they raise that rank to 500

[arctic orchid]

shat my pants

twice

I had enemies that youtubers had

no one saw me

[gray glade]

Consider buying a lottery ticket today @arctic orchid

[solid hinge]

It took me about two to three weeks to hit 50. So I anticipate the grind to 500

[gray glade]

i wonder how much experience between each level though

[marble phoenix]

Westie did a video of how it'll supposdely works

[solid hinge]

Hopefully like Battlefield 4.

[arctic orchid]

@gray glade Well I submited my papers to a company I wanna work today

So I want it to go there

my luck I mean

[gray glade]

good luck bro!

[arctic orchid]

I can't aim now

my hands are shaking xD

[prime pine]

Hey raze

Watch out for dr greasy

He's a salty fuck

[arctic orchid]

19/3 so far

Playing with Shankett in squad

From Dice

https://i.imgur.com/nZwxflC.png

[stoic breach]

@prime pine dr greasy sounds wack

Dude you wanna party up

[prime pine]

Im really burned out sorry

[stoic breach]

Shiet

Yeah aight

[autumn monolith]

Hey I was right Westie made a 10 minute video

[hoary condor]

Ok?

[coral fiber]

...

[dusky badge]

Desert rat outfit looks sick

[pearl ether]

anyone wanna play?

[hoary condor]

!lfg

[junior mist]

:information_source: <> Looking for Players to play with? Head Over to the Looking For Group Channels in the (#LFG) Channel Category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[hoary condor]

Try there buddy 😃

[arctic orchid]

Funniest shit happend

Got spawned behind spawn zone and I couldn't move since the map didn't start yet and I got killed by deserting xD

[hoary condor]

Happened to me a handful of times

would hope it was fixed by now

[marble phoenix]

yea same here

[hoary condor]

dev's picked it up and mentioned it on twitter

[arctic orchid]

It was funny

Am I the only one that hates Breakthrough ?

[gray glade]

Yes, probably in the entire world

[hoary condor]

I like Breakthrough

only game mode i play

apart from

[fervent holly]

What is wrong with the mastery assignment for the MAB 38? 7 kills under 30 M in one round. I’ve done this at least 10 times yet it never says completed. It even keeps going backwards. I’ll have 5 in a game and check and it will have went backwards and tell me I only have like 2?

[solid hinge]

Probably means hipfire only or something

[fervent holly]

Nah that was the assignment before this.

It literally says, 7 kills under 30 M in one round or 25 kills under 30 M

Done that at least 10 times now l.

[hoary condor]

isn't it usually over 30m?

[solid hinge]

That's odd

Might be borked description

[fervent holly]

I believe that will be a later assignment but this says under 30. I’m looking at it right now

MAB 38 Mastery IV

[hoary condor]

Weird... i'd try and get over 30m and see what happens

do you see any progression on the assignment?

[fervent holly]

The first couple of kills I get every match will count towards it then for some reason it stops counting or even goes backwards

[gray glade]

the going backwards thing, couldnt that be cuz it counts the latest round u played?

if you're supposed to get it in one round im guessing it resets everytime u play

[solid hinge]

Shouls i get desert rat

[hoary condor]

I need to have a look what there is later

prolly end up getting all of them as usual