battlefield-legacy-titles

[compact oxide]

[solid hinge]

You can paratroop from friendly planes if they have a thing

uhhh

cant spell

[coarse thunder]

This place needs a hard decontamination

[icy sluice]

Germans only really had the... JU-52 I think it's called

[solid hinge]

what is that

[compact oxide]

This place needs slowmode

[coral fiber]

Honestly

[solid hinge]

Thats not gonna stop me

I cant read

[hybrid dock]

1500 roentgen per second coming from this chat rn

[coral fiber]

Oh god

[icy sluice]

JU-52 is the German Transport Aircraft

[solid hinge]

Then why cant they have that aswell

[icy sluice]

https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/junkers-ju52

Because JU-52 was a transport aircraft and didn't have any guns

[solid hinge]

Germans dont have any plane that can heave paratroops besides the one in operations

[icy sluice]

Blenheim however was armed with some kind of gun

[coral fiber]

It's in firestorm

[solid hinge]

ALSO WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE STILL BRITISH ON GERMAN PLANES

[coral fiber]

The ju52

[solid hinge]

In the cutseen

[coral fiber]

Idk

[icy sluice]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coarse thunder]

Superior British engineering

[solid hinge]

Thats fucking stupid

[icy sluice]

tbh

[solid hinge]

ITS STILL THERE

Its BEEN THERE

They are to lazy to change

[coral fiber]

So who cares lol

[solid hinge]

the cutseen

[coarse thunder]

Because DICE has priorities

[solid hinge]

I CARE DAMN

[coarse thunder]

Fixing a plane isn't one of them

A plane aesthetic too

[solid hinge]

Not dropping you on your fucking head wasnt a priotiry for your mother either

I see

[hybrid dock]

toxic

[coarse thunder]

Yee yee

[coral fiber]

Yes

[solid hinge]

thats the point

[coral fiber]

Ooooh

Nice

[solid hinge]

OOohOohOhOHoH

Thats what the kids at my school do

not lying

everytime

someone roasts another kid

they go "OooOOOoh"

[hybrid dock]

school

[coarse thunder]

But seriously changing a plane aesthetic should be at the bottom of the priority list compared to everything else

[coral fiber]

Pls do

[hybrid dock]

so ur like 15

got it

[icy sluice]

It is on their list and they're changing it, it's low priority atm

[solid hinge]

You know people that are 13+ still go to school right

ye ye

ok

[icy sluice]

OH SHIT, I NEVER KNEW THAT

[coral fiber]

Wut?

[icy sluice]

THANKS FOR TEACHING ME THAT SIR

[solid hinge]

Your welcome

[coral fiber]

Wtf

[solid hinge]

😸

[coarse thunder]

Not in Namibia or Bolivia they don't

[coral fiber]

Pls

[solid hinge]

Age of consent in some places is just heartbreaking

[coral fiber]

SERIOUSLY

No snutten they don't thank you lol

[coarse thunder]

Planes are...ok

[hybrid dock]

ok but no one over 13 says ooooooh and cares about roasts lol

[coral fiber]

I went 31-0 in a 109 earlier lol

[coarse thunder]

I have never been a good pilot in any game

[solid hinge]

I can still get here

mod who banned me from here

[coral fiber]

Guy raged because he's the only one that tried to kill me with AA

[solid hinge]

#general

[coarse thunder]

I feel for that guy

[coral fiber]

Mf got me to like 3hp

I still survived lol

[junior mist]

:information_source: Rule 4

Be polite and kind. Respect others if they have a different opinion. If you disagree with someone, you are free to do so politely, but don't make it personal and become hostile.

[solid hinge]

I couldnt find this channel

Is there a way to remove people fom sertain channels

[fluid tusk]

🤔

[solid hinge]

probably not

actually

[fluid tusk]

whose this guy?

[solid hinge]

It wouldnt show up

and uh

General wont show up now

[ivory geyser]

wut

[solid hinge]

they switch on and off

Website issues

[ivory geyser]

do you have them collpased?

[solid hinge]

e.e

[coral fiber]

Did you close them?

[solid hinge]

no

ok

it shows up

[compact oxide]

Wait wut

[solid hinge]

why did you help someone that has been complaining

pff

[compact oxide]

Are you actually underage

[solid hinge]

No

[compact oxide]

[solid hinge]

I dont know how to prove it but

[coral fiber]

[fluid tusk]

well he was talking about school

[solid hinge]

I am actually not

[coarse thunder]

Don't dox your age

[solid hinge]

You know people that are 13+ can still fucking go to school

[coral fiber]

#general guys lol

[solid hinge]

going

[icy sluice]

Dun dun dun duh dun dun

[coral fiber]

Oof

[fluid tusk]

i wouldnt know, im 26

[coral fiber]

17 here lol

[solid hinge]

ok move to general

[compact oxide]

Isn't discord 16+?

[solid hinge]

MOVE MOVE MOVE

[fluid tusk]

i believe so

[solid hinge]

#general

[ivory geyser]

@solid hinge are you under the age of 13?

[coral fiber]

Guys why are tanks so weak

[solid hinge]

I said no already

[icy sluice]

You're all just bait for my headshot count anyways 👀

[solid hinge]

Do you have stupid

do you are is have stupidism

[bronze storm]

Asking a mod if theyre stupid isnt the best idea mate

[fluid tusk]

wew that ingeles

[solid hinge]

He's probably banning me now

[fluid tusk]

how does he have a "gaming news" role if hes underage?

[icy sluice]

#220326362077069323

[fluid tusk]

was not aware of that, must be new

[coral fiber]

Yeah

[fluid tusk]

🤔

[coral fiber]

Hey umm

I've may have gotten on top of the church in devastation

The enemy team was not happy

Just sayin

[bronze storm]

You brought enough ammo for the boys right?

[coral fiber]

And a spawn beacon yes

The enemy team was not happy at all got like 3 hate messages and 5 reports of cheating lmao

[fluid tusk]

🤷🏽

they will get over it

[coral fiber]

Yeah ha

Probably lol

So far i got like 10 reports of cheating for the last 6 months

Mostly due to flying

Yeah on xbox lol

No

[simple roost]

hello humans, is there any way i can check my progress on assignments mid game in battlefield 4 and do bf1 and bf4 have ps4 controller support?

[coral fiber]

People just get salty because they think their AA will save them

[simple roost]

k

[prime pine]

Discord is 13+

[coarse thunder]

There really is a pepe for everything

[normal ice]

That is an amazing gif.

[solid hinge]

trash

[coral fiber]

How dare you

[prime pine]

Rolling in the Churchill MKVII On aerodrome breakthrough

hehe

[coarse thunder]

95mm Howitzer equipped?

[solid hinge]

I haven't played BFV in a while tbh

idk

I'm burned out by it, maybe I'll come when al sundan pops up

[prime pine]

Ohhh yeah, 95MM Howitzer.

[coarse thunder]

Good

[fluid tusk]

honestly I dont mind milsim occasionally in BF

[coarse thunder]

Just play no HUD

[stoic breach]

No hud is awful

[coral fiber]

true hardcore experience

[stoic breach]

You can't tell who is who in BFV

[coral fiber]

It's worse when flying

[stoic breach]

Oh no

[coral fiber]

It's good for cinematic shots tho

[fluid tusk]

i mean I play a lot of regular BF, but hardcore Milsim BF is fun in moderation

[coarse thunder]

Have yoi every played Hell Let Loose

[coral fiber]

Hardcore in BFV oof

[fluid tusk]

never played hell let loose

[coral fiber]

Get insta killed by the liberator

[coarse thunder]

That game doesn't even tell you if you get a kill

[fluid tusk]

liberator would probably do the same damage kolibri did in hardcore BF1

🤷🏽 i dont mind that tbh

there were a few games like that

[coarse thunder]

Yeah

[fluid tusk]

i dont remember if BF4 HC did that

its been a while since I last played BF4

anyone else get the "No Parley" achievement on BF4?

because right now its sitting at "ultra rare" on PS4 with only 1.5% of people having it

i feel special

[bronze storm]

Right up there with the 1.5% of people that completed BFV on hardcore

[hearty ice]

i got on bf1 for the first time in long time today and it had more people than I expected still playing

I personally like bf1 more than bfv, for many reasons, but its harder to find a server on bf1 because so little play it now

[coral fiber]

True

[prime pine]

Completing bf5 on hardcore isn't even that hard.

Cause as long as you know what you are doing they're quite simple.

[compact oxide]

Bf1 is more enjoyable than bfv yeah

[hearty ice]

Mhm

I easily get bored with BFV

[coral fiber]

Me sometimes tbh

Mostly cuz watching others rage at trying to kill me is entertaining

[prime pine]

i got sick of bf1 in the end.

Mostly due to Hellriegal and Fedorov

[compact oxide]

Only reason I'm playing bfv again is because the trombono is in

Heilregal was pretty balanced in the end

[charred heron]

Fedorov was a great gun

[coral fiber]

Bf1 got boring for me

[hearty ice]

There is also more of a historical reference with BF1, and the atmosphere of the game gave me a good sense of the history and there are fun elements in the game

[prime pine]

Oh yeah it was great i was sick of having to deal with it.

[zenith creek]

i miss 2142's titan mode

[prime pine]

But i was more sick of the senties.

sentries.

[hearty ice]

Whag got annoying to me was everyone started using the mondragon......

[compact oxide]

Fed was good though, all rounder but I prefer the other medic guns

[coral fiber]

Shit my corndogs exploded

[hearty ice]

Lol

[prime pine]

Mondragon was big at the start

[compact oxide]

If only people all started using the 1906

[hearty ice]

Mhm

[prime pine]

now it has had died down

I mostly used the Selbstlader m1916

[midnight nimbus]

Hellreigel sucks

[prime pine]

I loved its metallic firing sound.

[hearty ice]

I like the fully auto assault pistol, cant think of the name

[midnight nimbus]

insert incorrect opinions below

[compact oxide]

1916 optical was the first gun I got near 1000 kills with

[charred heron]

Automatico Trench

[compact oxide]

Automatico storm

[hearty ice]

That thing is annoying

[coral fiber]

Anyone think that private games in gunna make bfv better?

[compact oxide]

The snipers assault gun

[charred heron]

No

[hearty ice]

No

[prime pine]

I went i think marksman for the selbstlader 1916

The one with the scope

[coral fiber]

Same tbh

[compact oxide]

Yeah marksman was the best overall

[coral fiber]

I'm only gunna ban mmgs and s mines in my server

[hearty ice]

The sweeper was good

[charred heron]

Howell Marksman

[prime pine]

Cause i literally can't focus without a scope, It's something that has bled into LMG's. Cause when i went to lewis gun i just went straight for suppressor.

[coral fiber]

Sweeper was hella good

[prime pine]

YEAH. The Howell was fucking great as well.

[midnight nimbus]

1906 was just outside of my top 5 guns

[compact oxide]

Ban everything except for the ZH in my server

[prime pine]

The howell sniper was better since it had one more mag.

[coral fiber]

The cei regotti is really a god tier weapon

[midnight nimbus]

actually no 1906 Sniper is in my top 5

[prime pine]

When i went back to it, It felt so light to use. With its DPS.

[hearty ice]

I like the pistol carbines

They are fun

[compact oxide]

I preferred the 1906 factory to the sniper

[midnight nimbus]

tied with Ribey Factory

[prime pine]

But not to say it was a bad weapon, Cause it certainly was competant.

Competent

[midnight nimbus]

I don't like irons for the range i want to use the 1906 at

bc AL8 is better from 0-70

[prime pine]

I hope the howell returns, But we have the turner SMLE sooooooo : |

[compact oxide]

Being able to spam all five bullets with no upwards kick at all

👌

[prime pine]

People say the howell was ugly, I think it looked pretty cool.

[hearty ice]

Turner SMLE was annoying in bf1 and now is annoying again in bfv

[coral fiber]

It kinda is ugly

[prime pine]

Turner SMLE in bf1 sorry?

[compact oxide]

Turner wasn't in bf1

[hearty ice]

Then what was

[prime pine]

You mean the bolt version?

[coral fiber]

Hmmmmmm

[hearty ice]

Cant think of name

[compact oxide]

Howell

[prime pine]

SMLE Mk3?

[hearty ice]

Yeah

New it was an smle

Knew*

[charred heron]

Can't wait for custom servers:

"No explosives. Admins are not effected"
"We'll kick you in favour of clan members"
"VIPs have vehicle priority"
Salty admins banning you for being good

[midnight nimbus]

1. AL8 MM, 6760 kills
2. Huot LW, 2258 kills
3. AL8 F, 1602 kills
4. RSC F, 1341 kills
   T5) Ribey F, 1316 kills
   T5) 1906 Sniper, 1316 kills

epic

[prime pine]

It was just a sniper like the rest. I enjoyed it for a while. But i stuck to the LEbel model 1886.

[hearty ice]

I am tired……

[coral fiber]

Bf4 admins i swear

[prime pine]

Yeah i'm not be a dickhead admin like that haha.

[compact oxide]

I used the Howell guns a bit but I preferred the optical sight on the Farquhar hill

[coral fiber]

Me neither

[midnight nimbus]

I hate the BF1 lens sight

[compact oxide]

@midnight nimbus

[prime pine]

Farquhar hill was good. I loved using its optical variant.

[hearty ice]

I hate coming across people who have 100 service stars on their bf1 guns

[midnight nimbus]

> no AL8 35

[compact oxide]

Automatico storm at the bottom

[midnight nimbus]

shame

[compact oxide]

Na never a fan

[hearty ice]

which means they have 100000 kills with the gun

[compact oxide]

Not enough range for me tbh

[prime pine]

nah, It means 10000

[charred heron]

My 2nd best weapon in BF1 is the gas grenade

[compact oxide]

Ooof

[midnight nimbus]

i just learned to headshot

[hearty ice]

Lol

[prime pine]

I only ever really played with frags.

But fucking hell grenades felt cheap in bf1

[compact oxide]

Headshots were great with the Farquhar

[midnight nimbus]

I only use incendiary in BF1

[hearty ice]

The gas grenade can be hard to get a kill with, just had to get it in the right spot

[midnight nimbus]

plus BF1 nades suck

[compact oxide]

Turned into a two shot gun at any range

Tbh I only used smoke in bf1

[prime pine]

I watch videos and everybody doesn't even bother using the mask after the first round of damage from gas.

[hearty ice]

Farqua was very nice for headshots, two-shot gun

[prime pine]

For me i just go crazy and go "Oh gas, Mask"

[midnight nimbus]

yeah but you need back to back headshots with the F-H past 54(?)m

[coral fiber]

In bf1 if you dive directly on the grenade you'll take less damage than standing up

[compact oxide]

Gotta be the medic that rezzes everyone

[hearty ice]

I dont usuallt put on the mask

[midnight nimbus]

can't headshot + 2 body shots

[compact oxide]

Yeah

[prime pine]

I think towards the end of bf1 i went fedorov trench with a bayonet + Bayonet training. I'm an asshole.

[hearty ice]

I run through it or put on mask if stuck

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 is the only BF game besides BF3 where I revive people much

[hearty ice]

I love bayonet 💗

[compact oxide]

The amount of times I could get the back to back headshots surprised even myself

[hearty ice]

But its damn annoying when you sprint with the bayonet and you cant turn fast enough and you miss by inches

[compact oxide]

Hey @midnight nimbus what do you think of the trombono?

[coral fiber]

Imagine getting a collate with the liberator

[midnight nimbus]

best non Boys bolt action

but haven't played much BFV lately

combination of shit game performance and my PC needing new thermal paste

[compact oxide]

Only just started playing again yesterday

[coral fiber]

I practically play bfv everyday lol

[compact oxide]

Oof

[coral fiber]

Idk why

[solid hinge]

I’ve stopped

I can’t enjoy this game

I need new maps

Like mercury got boring quick

[compact oxide]

Hadn't played since January previously

[midnight nimbus]

I'll hop on for quick tanking

[coral fiber]

Mostly cuz the only thing i do is fly

[hearty ice]

They need to add pacific sooner than the fall

[prime pine]

I'm a lot more active in bf5 than i was with bf1, But that's cause of the shit i went through in 2017 and all that. : |

[hearty ice]

The hype for the pacific gonna die before the fall

[midnight nimbus]

but I've been playing through the Titanfall 2 campaign

[indigo viper]

Great campaign @midnight nimbus

[prime pine]

I'll be grinding the game when we get the rank increase.

[gray glade]

I have a feeling that once we see the pacific trailer the hype is gonna be there again

[midnight nimbus]

BFV is unplayable, BF4 is only so fun for so long with RSP, and it's hard to find good BF1 servers

[gray glade]

dice knows how to make trailers (dont mention the reveal trailer)

[hearty ice]

Maybe

[midnight nimbus]

so I'm back to playing PVE

[coral fiber]

Rank increase i want tbh

[midnight nimbus]

aside from the occasional BO2

[indigo viper]

I just unlocked all of my locked glitched items

[prime pine]

Black ops 2?

[midnight nimbus]

yeah

[hearty ice]

BO2 is best COD

[gray glade]

which has more players atm, BF4 or BF1?

[midnight nimbus]

BO2 is genuinely a masterpiece of an FPS

[coral fiber]

Bo2 is the best cod

[prime pine]

Black ops 2 had 800 players the last time i played it.

[hearty ice]

BF1 i think

Just depends on location

[midnight nimbus]

i play on PC

[prime pine]

It makes me very sad

[solid hinge]

No

MW2 is a masterpiece

[midnight nimbus]

350ish players online last time I played

[solid hinge]

Change my mind

[prime pine]

I remember when it had 100K worth of players.

[midnight nimbus]

BO2 actually has decent weapon balance

[prime pine]

Black ops 2 and Mw2 were both very dear

[midnight nimbus]

and just less stupid shit in general than MW2

[hearty ice]

90% of BO2 servers have hackers/exploiters tho

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 PC isn't bad

it's not too hard to find good servers at peak hours

[hearty ice]

There is usually a server or 2 on BF1 psn

[midnight nimbus]

BO2 PC is genuinely playable with ~100 players online

[prime pine]

Yeah. I got all my stats legitimate and yet people think i'm modded.

[hearty ice]

There were two up when i played bf1 psn today

[solid hinge]

BF1 is dead on console

[prime pine]

2.02 K/D with every weapon gold.

[midnight nimbus]

I rarely get into >100ms ping lobbies

[compact oxide]

Bf1 defs has more players than BF4 on PC OCE

[indigo viper]

BF1 has about 11k total players (All system) and Bf4 is at 15.5k

[solid hinge]

I had my stats reset by a modded on bo2

[prime pine]

Yikes

Sorry to hear that

There were many scares i went through

[midnight nimbus]

i have zero gold guns in BO2

[hearty ice]

Yeah i have seen whole accounts not be able to log onto bo2 multiplayer again cause of modders

[coral fiber]

Wut

[prime pine]

I would "dashboard" so the stats would hopefully not be saved.

[midnight nimbus]

bc like BF, i can't be bothered to do stupid assignments

rather just play the game the way i want

[prime pine]

I would love to get the 15th pres icon but i don't really mind.

[indigo viper]

Somewhat the same. I activate them and unlock when it unlocks @midnight nimbus

[coral fiber]

Why do i feel like the goliath track mine is going to be a trolling tool

[midnight nimbus]

I don't do BFV assignments

[coral fiber]

Like the Ed bot in bf4

[midnight nimbus]

or the ToW

[hearty ice]

To me BFV seems like a completely different game than BF1

Barely feels like battlefield

[coral fiber]

It is tbh

[hearty ice]

Gameplay completely changed

[midnight nimbus]

"progression" is the worst meme to hit PVP shooters

[coral fiber]

I kinda still have hope for it

[midnight nimbus]

alongside content addiction and battle royale

[hearty ice]

I dont think they will change the whole games gameplay

[midnight nimbus]

5 second attention span players can't fathom playing the game for the sake of getting good

gotta get that new skin

[hearty ice]

I just hope the next game they make goes back to bf1 type of gameplay

[coral fiber]

Or a modern bf

[midnight nimbus]

even though BF1 has shit DPS and shit movement, I love it

[hearty ice]

I dont mean ww1

[midnight nimbus]

even though those two things are incredibly important to me

[coral fiber]

I loved bf1

[hearty ice]

I just mean the style of gameplay for BF1

[midnight nimbus]

I need MAD DPS

miss me with BF1/BFV

[hearty ice]

I think all BF players love BF1

[midnight nimbus]

i want a return to crispy BF3

[fast sparrow]

I hate bf1

[midnight nimbus]

ideally reboot the entire franchise

[hearty ice]

BF2 was fun

[prime pine]

I enjoy bf5 but it needs the atmosphere bf1 had. Final stand and fjell's blizzard have the best atmospheres really.

[midnight nimbus]

just call the next game Battlefield

[prime pine]

With final stand. Everything is on fire.

[midnight nimbus]

remade in the image of a better BF3

[prime pine]

Except for fjell which runs a blizzard

Want to know something really cool?

[hearty ice]

I like when the weather comes in

Its annoying af

But fun gameplay

[prime pine]

On the battle of hannut final stand. Both teams get a churchill crocodile.

[coral fiber]

Try flying in that weather

[midnight nimbus]

annoying how everyone caught onto roblox mode

[coral fiber]

Grand ops is a joke

[prime pine]

Oh grand ops is a joke but final stand has the better atmosphere

[coral fiber]

Ops felt so immersive in bf1

[midnight nimbus]

genuinely puzzled at the 20 IQ low visibility defenders

[prime pine]

Cause it actually feels like an end

[hearty ice]

BF1 operations were 100% better than BFV Grand Ops

[prime pine]

Ohhh yeah bf1 ops were way way better

[midnight nimbus]

too bad behemoths were a thing :/

[hearty ice]

Behemoths were sexy

[coral fiber]

Iron walls is my fav

[stoic breach]

Behemoths at least were better in ops than in conquest

[midnight nimbus]

behemoths are fun when you're driving them

but that's it

[coarse thunder]

Ewww iron walls

[prime pine]

Behemoths were fucked but they weren't as such on operations.

[midnight nimbus]

actually they weren't even that fun to drive

[stoic breach]

Behemoths were basically just giant hitboxes

[midnight nimbus]

bc you can't control all the primary weapons yourself

[coral fiber]

Honestly

[prime pine]

I end up playing defensive with behemoths

[hearty ice]

All Ops where fun to me, but the one with English and the Ottoman was annoying if you got stuck on the first two sectors

[midnight nimbus]

and it's not even a good comeback mechanic bc it requires multiple players to operate properly

[coarse thunder]

Kaiserschlacht ftw

[stoic breach]

Behemoths make the map cooler by adding more explosions and thats it

[coral fiber]

Kaiserschlacht is my 2nd fav op

[hearty ice]

But what country/faction is BF1 looked the sexiest?

in*

[stoic breach]

You get somewhat the same effect with sector artillery in BFV

[coral fiber]

The germans tbh

[midnight nimbus]

BFV's comeback mechanic is much better

[coarse thunder]

Germany or France

[midnight nimbus]

turbo cap speed

[hearty ice]

I hate squad reinforcements....

[prime pine]

I never even realise taht the german recon was black

in bf1

[hearty ice]

.

How

[coarse thunder]

France got that rugged poilu look

[hearty ice]

Didnt

You

[prime pine]

I thought it was the shadowing

[midnight nimbus]

V-1s and arty strikes are just as AIDS as behemoths

[hearty ice]

I mean i get that

Bf1 had a lot of shadows

[midnight nimbus]

and it's annoying that you can't spawn the reinforcement vehicles whenever you want

[prime pine]

Then again i guess i never payed attention.

I do like squad reinforcements actually.

[coral fiber]

Imagine squad boosts in BFV
Endless v1 rockets

[midnight nimbus]

bruh I've done it

it's really easy

[prime pine]

They're good for breaking through stale mates

[coarse thunder]

Cancerous lighting when looking outside of windows in BF1

[hearty ice]

Austro-Hungarian and German both looked the same.

[prime pine]

The saturation was fucked in bf1

[midnight nimbus]

I think we've dropped 5 or 6 V-1s in a single round

[prime pine]

Bloom or whatever cause "realism"

When we need our own eyes to adjust

[coral fiber]

Oof

[indigo viper]

Cant find a group to do the 60k points in a round

[hearty ice]

Oh like when you would sprint out of the bunker on argonne forest and everything was bright af

[midnight nimbus]

bruh we did 60k in one BT sector

[prime pine]

Yeah etho

I wish you could legitimately reduce it

[coarse thunder]

Plus literal fog of war on most maps

Desert? Fog!

[midnight nimbus]

BF is just a bad visibility game in general

the amount of graphical fuckery required to make it easy on the eyes is insane

[prime pine]

Bf1's visibility was better than bf5 regardless.

[midnight nimbus]

yeah

[coral fiber]

Wish 3D spotting was a thing in BFV

[prime pine]

It is

still

[coral fiber]

Kinda

[prime pine]

But not as prevelent

[coarse thunder]

Argh argh argh argh

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 visibility is like the worst visibility that I'll consider very playable

[prime pine]

Prevalent

You're still gonna have assholes in corners

But if they're prone. Knife the fuckers.

[hearty ice]

Melee

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 visibility is genuinely very good with a custom cfg

[hearty ice]

The most satisfying kill

[coral fiber]

Melee kills are funny in bfv idk

Especially the hedbutting

[visual blade]

can’t wait for a sword to come

[coral fiber]

Just brings humiliation

[prime pine]

Some fucking guy put be through that hell on bf3. Cause they play with the mp5k and would knife the instant he ran out of ammo. I had become the victim of that guy for so long i caught the habit.

[midnight nimbus]

also BF4 maps were pretty light on the foliage and rubble which was nice

[prime pine]

SO i would knife assholes on the first try

[coral fiber]

I hated counter knifing in bf4

Hated it so much

[prime pine]

I played bfh for the longest time.

[hearty ice]

Oh btw me and my brother have been making suicide cards on BFV. We would stick 4 bundles each of tnt on a car/armored car and then when we found a tank/transport we would ram it and detonate the tnt on impact which would instantly kill any enemy tank from any angle

[coarse thunder]

Broken shit that relied on button mash and latency

[prime pine]

Attach mines onto it

Etho

[midnight nimbus]

Apex/TF does melee perfectly

[hearty ice]

They fall off

They slide

[prime pine]

Ah

[midnight nimbus]

I love how the melee types chain with your movement

[coarse thunder]

The ole jihad jeeps

[hearty ice]

But its fun af

Then our car that we are in gets flung off the map

Unless its an armored transport then it just is a brute and buffs it out

[coarse thunder]

Jihad kettenkrad ftw

[stoic breach]

Titanfall melee that locks on further the faster you're moving 😩

[midnight nimbus]

i haven't died to a jihad jeep since BF4

BFV transports are so big and slow

free kills

[hearty ice]

Jihad jeeps are fun af

[coarse thunder]

Realism

[hearty ice]

You can use any vehicle for jihad car

[coarse thunder]

Everything is slow yeehaw

[hearty ice]

Motorcycle, car, armored vehicle

[stoic breach]

I'm pretty sure it shows on the spawn screen if they're alive somewhere in the world

Cause they dont despawn

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 light transport vehicles were actually... good

fast af

tiny

can move unpredictably

[coral fiber]

The JEEP

[midnight nimbus]

can actually get you from place to place safely

[coarse thunder]

The ligh transport in BF1 and 5 are ass tier

[coral fiber]

^

[midnight nimbus]

at least BF1 had the sidecar motorcycle

[stoic breach]

BF1 bike on monte grappa

Do a flip and accidentally kill someone

[coral fiber]

Ha

[coarse thunder]

Motrocycle sidecar, heavy jeep that hitches on every rock, literal trackerd motorcycle that goes the same speed as a Bren Carrier

[stoic breach]

I think I got a double kill from the grave with the BF1 sidecar on Giant's Shadow

[hearty ice]

Monte Grappa was a map to see who could hold a fortified room the longest, but one of the best maps in game

[coral fiber]

The universal carrier is shit in V

[hearty ice]

^

[coral fiber]

The kubelwagon is not It's god tier

[spice linden]

guys, is 8GB of RAM enough for BF5 ? 🤔

[stoic breach]

Yeah I enjoyed how easy it was to run between flag B and D on monte grappe

[coarse thunder]

Driving the uni carrier is worse in BF5 than it was in real life

[stoic breach]

It was kind of an idiot trap trying to hold a single bunker for the entire game

Cause you had flags C and E to cap as well

And A I guess

[hearty ice]

I loved getting killed in the side car thing in bf1 and then the thing ran over people fore miles without a driver

[coarse thunder]

British and Commonwealth WW2 vets need to respect the Bf5 players who have dricen the uni carier at least once

[stoic breach]

Haha

[midnight nimbus]

i'd rather just play modes where transports are unnecessary

[hearty ice]

I loved how a horse could ram a vehicle in bf1 and blow it up

[midnight nimbus]

or even better, nonexistent

[coarse thunder]

Small gamemodes then

[midnight nimbus]

or just well designed ones

breakthrough, ops, rush

frontlines

[hearty ice]

The modes no one plays

[coral fiber]

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

having fuckhuge maps with tons of empty space is just dumb

bigger!=more accommodating of 64p

that's where good layout comes in

[coral fiber]

Still waiting on battle of britain air superiority

[midnight nimbus]

if running from point to point is a problem, the map has problems

[hearty ice]

They shouldve made a bf1 map and mode where teams take turns rushing the other teams trench which wouldve been hot af

[midnight nimbus]

see: redeploy CQ meta

[hearty ice]

Have you noticed how there is no sea yet it bfv?

Bf1 started out with land air and sea and bfv just has land and air

Bf1 started with 5-7 countries and bfv started with 2

[midnight nimbus]

after how good BF4 attack boat gameplay was, I'd rather not have naval warfare

seeing how embarrassing BF1 naval warfare was

the setting just isn't good for it

[coarse thunder]

Because they want dat untold stories bread

Apparently britain is very untold

[hearty ice]

I mean bf1 dreadnaughts were fun

Raining hell

[coarse thunder]

Naval warfare is just praying that your cannons load faster

[midnight nimbus]

well yeah farming people with them is fun

[prime pine]

I love breakthrough. I wish it was better balanced though.

[hearty ice]

Mhm

[prime pine]

Naval combat in bf1 was just sit in the torpedo boat 400 M away and get easy kills on Dreadnaughts.

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 naval warfare 😍

[prime pine]

Not Behemoth dreadnaughts but the mini destroyers.

[midnight nimbus]

fast af vehicles that were super versatile

mmmm

[prime pine]

I don't mind the fact that mini dreadnaughts had torpedo launchers themselves cause that awards team play.

[midnight nimbus]

didn't require multiple people to be useful, but were really strong with multiple people

[hearty ice]

Mini destroyers were weak

[coarse thunder]

DICE pls give us oar-powered lifeboats

[prime pine]

They were weak cause of the torpedo boats

I loved playing in them

[midnight nimbus]

requiring multiple people to achieve minimum usefulness was a mistake

[coarse thunder]

L-Class long bois

[hearty ice]

I pray that DICE eventually adds the Soviet Union to BFV

[coarse thunder]

They will

[prime pine]

I do liek the fact that they were team play vehicles

[midnight nimbus]

the BF1 landship made me wanna puke

[coarse thunder]

In another year

[hearty ice]

They better

[prime pine]

But they were fucked

[midnight nimbus]

no "teamplay vehicles" are fucking dumb

you strip so much control from the player

meanwhile BF4 actually had teamplay vehicles

where you can function alone

[prime pine]

True. I guess. Guess i managed to find ways to play alone.

[midnight nimbus]

but not having what is generally an unrealistic amount of coordination doesn't make you irrelevant

[hearty ice]

Anyone else love using the heavy bomber but hate being on the other end of it in BF1?

[prime pine]

I never used it

[coral fiber]

Has anyone been at the top of the devastation church or is it just me?

[prime pine]

Huh

How

[hearty ice]

Just you

^

[coral fiber]

Vehicle launch

My friend accidentally landed there

[coarse thunder]

Imagine using any German tank in Bf5

[coral fiber]

And i placed a spawn beacon and kinda camped up there

[prime pine]

The german vehciles are under powered as fuck

[hearty ice]

^

[prime pine]

Churchill MKVII Just dunks on everything

[coral fiber]

They are

[prime pine]

Valentine MKVIII and Archer do the same

[hearty ice]

The valentines are annoying

[prime pine]

I prefer churchill more than valentine.

[hearty ice]

Mhm

[coral fiber]

Oh i used the boys to annoy this Tiger who was confused of where i shot him from

[coarse thunder]

Valentines are ricochet machines due to their sloped armor

[hearty ice]

Tigers were made too weak

[coarse thunder]

Meanwhile all German tanks are perfect squares and receive full damage

[hearty ice]

They need to buff them

[coral fiber]

Honestly a single infantry man can kill a tiger

[prime pine]

The HEAT rounds need to do full damage at all angles.

[coarse thunder]

Ik that's how it really is but geeze

[coral fiber]

Dynamite and launchers like jeez

[prime pine]

If HESH rounds can do the same why not the HEAT rounds

Oh yeah you know, Even slapping on armour and a larger gun onto the panzer IV leaves you to be outgunned regardless.

[coarse thunder]

Imagine an 88mm shell bouncing off a Valentine medium tank

[stoic breach]

Is that Wak 40

[prime pine]

The british have better vehicles as a whole. It's so fucked.

[coral fiber]

Imagine having a 1000kg bomb glance off a Churchill

[prime pine]

They should buff the JU - 88 C with a .50 explosive MG.

[midnight nimbus]

lolololol

> buff the best dogfighter in the game

k

[hearty ice]

I had and artillery shell bounce off a valentine today

Like wtf

[prime pine]

If they blenheim mk1 has the same then why not the JU-C.

[coarse thunder]

I see glancing plane bomb hits as the tank was just outside the bomb radius

[coral fiber]

The spitfire needs a maneuver tweak so badly

[midnight nimbus]

I only enjoy BFV vehicles bc of how busted the design and balance are

[coral fiber]

It's so af

[prime pine]

the 37MM's are fucked too.

For the stuka.

[stoic breach]

Imagine the JU88C being a better dogfighter than actual dogfighters

[midnight nimbus]

everything is fucked but the medium tanks

and a few other tanks

[prime pine]

They do so little damage to infantry like you fucking fool.

[stoic breach]

Haha

[midnight nimbus]

and the Ju-88

[hearty ice]

Mhm i dropped a bomb on a valentine today from a stuka and it said it glanced off........

[stoic breach]

[prime pine]

The ju - 88 A with nitros could out pace a fighter.

[coral fiber]

Honestly think that the 109 g2 is the best fighter

[midnight nimbus]

woke: "balance" through shitty vehicles with shitty counters

[prime pine]

I'm not joking, Before the "fix" i would out pace fighters on my tail and it was so fucked.

[midnight nimbus]

epic BFV

[coral fiber]

Thank god they fixed turning rates

[stoic breach]

I dont think they fixed much

[prime pine]

They're still shit but they're better.

[coral fiber]

I can actually maneuver much better

[prime pine]

The mosquito MKFB turns a lot better now.

I should give the MK2 a try.

[midnight nimbus]

#RemovePlanes

[coral fiber]

Hello no

I'll stop playing V if they do that

[prime pine]

Fuck the heavy bombers

[stoic breach]

Add firestorm heli for piat paratrooper meme squads

[prime pine]

If i could, I would ban/disable them on my server when all is ready.

[coarse thunder]

Remove PIAT

[midnight nimbus]

helis are the based combined arms air vehicle

[prime pine]

Seriously, Fuck the heavy bombers. I hate them.

They did talk about adding the helicopter i believe into multiplayer.

[stoic breach]

Damn

When was that

[coarse thunder]

Neeeiiin

[prime pine]

A long time ago.

[stoic breach]

Imagine a flying MMG team

[coral fiber]

Hell no

[stoic breach]

BFV AH squad

That would be hilarious

[coarse thunder]

All assault using PIATs, raining Dynamite

[stoic breach]

And it would be used for PTFO technically

[prime pine]

You could do that on bf4

with supports

So whats the difference.

[stoic breach]

Ye

[coral fiber]

Fighters are very OP if used properly

[prime pine]

Fighers are just boring

[coral fiber]

And the pilot being smart about AA

[hearty ice]

^

[prime pine]

For infy

You take out the planes and there's nothing to do

except fly

[midnight nimbus]

I just ignore planes

[coral fiber]

Naw m8 i always found fun in fighters

[midnight nimbus]

that aren't heavy bombers

because none of them are a threat

[coral fiber]

Hehehehehe

[prime pine]

They're good for fighting other planes but when there's nothing it's just eh

[coral fiber]

Hehehehe

[hearty ice]

I wish suicide crashing with a plane caused damage

[midnight nimbus]

BF109 at least has decent rockets

[coral fiber]

^

[midnight nimbus]

but who cares about planes

[hearty ice]

Or at least when a plane crashed it cause damage

[stoic breach]

BFV jet ramming

[coral fiber]

AA gunners hate me ha

[stoic breach]

Oh man

Instantly kill a tank

[coral fiber]

I never die

[stoic breach]

That would be hilarious

[midnight nimbus]

I don't fly in BFV

[stoic breach]

Map AA sucks, I only get killed by them cause I'm not a good pilot

[midnight nimbus]

but I don't see the point of not running bomber every time

[prime pine]

Is the Ju-88C even a decent dogfighter? Cause it's just... "eh"

[stoic breach]

Sometimes I'll spawn in a bomber to catch a zurg out

[prime pine]

The blenheim mk1 dog fights better than the JU C cause of air radar and that

[midnight nimbus]

@prime pine according to the best pilot in the series it's the best dogfighter in the game

[coral fiber]

People actually give me hate messages of how i never die to them hitting me with AA

[prime pine]

Can you give me proof?

[coarse thunder]

I thought it was the Mosquito with the cannon that was the best dogfighter

[midnight nimbus]

especially bc BFV flying is incredibly one dimensional

[stoic breach]

Is that big boss

[coarse thunder]

Considering it could also equip big bombs

[prime pine]

For a long time i had a lot of fun with the mosquito MK2

It was so good for dog fighting

[coral fiber]

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/bprgb8/fighters_drain_the_life_and_soul_out_of_aerial/enwqeb5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

[coral fiber]

I remember before the fix i did dogfights in a ju88 against a spitfire omg i was dying of laughter

[prime pine]

This was a month ago

The post

[midnight nimbus]

and what's changed that matters?

[coral fiber]

I really hate the recent mosquito

[prime pine]

They don't even state changes

[coral fiber]

I don't like it

[midnight nimbus]

turn speed isn't the most relevant metric of winning a dogfight

Ju-88 armament hasn't been nerfed

[prime pine]

Oh wait. I finally understand what you are talking about.

[stoic breach]

Chad big boss

God damn

[coral fiber]

It's about switching but no one gets the memo
It's all about StaLLiNG now it's fucking annoying

[stoic breach]

That guy is an alpha

[prime pine]

Air radar, Flak, Upgraded guns and the ventral mounts right?

[coarse thunder]

Big boi Archer Valentine

[prime pine]

Barely any one i know bothers to dog fight with the JU C

[coral fiber]

No

[prime pine]

I will take what you say seriously but at the same time i don't know

[coral fiber]

I've never used the ju88C

Mostly cuz I've heard it's a bad plane

[stoic breach]

What was wrong with the old flight physics anyways

[prime pine]

I meant it in the context of replacing of the Mg 151/20MM with the .50 MG.

[stoic breach]

Throttling down literally does nothing now

[coral fiber]

I guess it was too acrady

[stoic breach]

Except let you land

[coral fiber]

I miss it tbh

[prime pine]

I would like the speed changes but not the whole fuckery

[stoic breach]

Same

[coral fiber]

Bf1 dogfights felt good

[stoic breach]

It prioritised speed and weight for turning

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 physics were fine

[prime pine]

I got a video on what its been reduced to

[stoic breach]

So the heavy bombers became faster than fighters

[prime pine]

with dogfighting

[midnight nimbus]

better than 313 meta

[coral fiber]

Now in V i admit It's pretty bad

[prime pine]

also i witnessed a friendly fighter crash onto an enemy fighter

[coral fiber]

F

[stoic breach]

F

[midnight nimbus]

also air to air balance is super dogshit

[prime pine]

It may of reduced me into a laughing fit

[coral fiber]

I usually use either speed boosts or rockets to combat stallers

[prime pine]

WTF

wait

it wasn'teven a fighter

it looked like a bomber fighter

that crashed onto the fighter

[coral fiber]

Stuka?

[stoic breach]

Was it a JU88C

[coral fiber]

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

modern setting with helis only 😤

heli v heli was actually pretty interesting

[prime pine]

It looked like a mosquito

[midnight nimbus]

less dogshit than the various dogfighting metas in each game

[stoic breach]

Heli vs heli is like dancing in midair

[coral fiber]

Lol

[hearty ice]

Lol

[coral fiber]

I never die in a 109 but i do in a spitfire

[midnight nimbus]

taking cover was actually a thing with heli duals too

it was great

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

TOW and TV action was also pretty intense

[stoic breach]

Siege of Shanghai is pretty much only good if you're in a heli

[prime pine]

I'll go share the clip.... I gotta upload to through twitter.

Yeah i always used the scout helicopter.

[midnight nimbus]

there are only two types of players in SoS

the helis

and the people farmed by helis

[stoic breach]

Playing with friends on mic in a heli, me and another friend playing as an engineer rep monkeying for the squad leader flying the heli

We got top 3 players in the match

[prime pine]

I remember falling off my bed once

since i was being locked on

by so many people

And i would purposely flip my heli so i would go down faster and then make the last minute turn

Did anyone else do that?

[midnight nimbus]

BFH attack heli 😍

[stoic breach]

You fell off your bed?

[prime pine]

Playing the game

being locked on

[stoic breach]

Huh

[prime pine]

then falling off

Wait

I forgot what i was originally asking LOL

[stoic breach]

I wish BFH was f2p

[prime pine]

BFH Atheli was fun

I used to be an asshole and fly my helicopter into other helicopters

to make them flip

[stoic breach]

That sounds fun

[prime pine]

https://twitter.com/Waygyanba/status/1140872996392845312

Here is the Bomber fighter/Bomber flying into the Fighter.

[coral fiber]

Wack

[stoic breach]

Wow

[coral fiber]

Who tf rams anymore?

[prime pine]

Twitter is weird with the quality. Is it clear for you guys?

[coral fiber]

Literally no one

[prime pine]

Besides, I don't think that ram was intentional.

[stoic breach]

Its a bit low

Cause its twitter

[coral fiber]

A bit

[prime pine]

Ah alright.

[hearty ice]

Damn...you can maneuver so much easier with a controller than a mouse.........

[coral fiber]

^

[prime pine]

I actually recently had a dream of trying to fly on PC with a mouse.

[coral fiber]

Oof

[prime pine]

The result was not good and i think i broke my arm

[hearty ice]

Thats what i do every time i fly on bfv......

[coral fiber]

Lol

[prime pine]

Use your mouth for aiming and do other things on other buttons

[hearty ice]

I have bf1 on PS4, but bfv on pc

[prime pine]

Mouth

Mouse

[coral fiber]

Flying physics is being looked at by DICE atm

[prime pine]

They gonna make them worse or what

[stoic breach]

Hope not

[slender vale]

PS4 is gay

[coral fiber]

They might change some things in the future and that turning rate fix is one great start

They realize how less agile fighters are

And are working on improving them in the future

[coarse thunder]

Realistic: Your pilot goes unconscious and crashes when making multiple dives and barrel rolls

[prime pine]

Took them a couple of weeks to figure that out

[coral fiber]

Yeah

[coarse thunder]

If I'm going to give the Luftwaffe credit it's for putting automatic dive breaks on the Stukas. Outstanding move.

[hearty ice]

If they add unconscious to flying that will be fun to watch tryhard pilots get used to and crash into the ground

[coral fiber]

Me lmao

[midnight nimbus]

I can fly helis well with a mouse

[prime pine]

The luftwaffes state reminds me of the japanese

[midnight nimbus]

or like illya muromets

[prime pine]

They were big at the start but at the end they were fucked

[midnight nimbus]

but I'm kinda meh with everything else

[slender vale]

250 km bombs are weak

[midnight nimbus]

all the top pilots still swear by mouse and keyboard though

[prime pine]

Plus, With a helicopter, Flying with a mouse isn't as remanding as a plane/jet.

Demanding

[coral fiber]

I use default controls when flying on xbox

[midnight nimbus]

I never really flew much in BF

outside of helis

[coral fiber]

I very used to it atp

[stoic breach]

You know what has really fucking good flight mechanics

[hearty ice]

I hate inverted flight controls.....

[midnight nimbus]

so I don't really have the practice down to fly planes a ton

[prime pine]

Same. But helicopter controls feel weird. Cause the kolibris "acceleration" is right trigger.

[stoic breach]

Star Wars Battlefront 2 classic

[midnight nimbus]

but it's still doable

[hearty ice]

^^

[prime pine]

I think bf4 had the best heli flight controls

[midnight nimbus]

yeah SWBF actually has good flying

[hearty ice]

Mhm

[midnight nimbus]

it's pretty accessible

[coral fiber]

Yeah

[coarse thunder]

Because future shiet don't have to make sense

[hearty ice]

And that is 15 years older

[midnight nimbus]

the best was in the alpha

[stoic breach]

Yeah low skill floor but high skill ceiling

[prime pine]

I would go space for going up and W for going down if i was on pc for flying a plane.

[stoic breach]

In SWBF

[midnight nimbus]

when pilots realized they should stop dogfighting each other

and just farm each other's infy instead

[coarse thunder]

True knights of the sky

[midnight nimbus]

also SWBF is high skill floor high skill ceiling

[prime pine]

Sorry Kht with what?

[stoic breach]

Is it?

[midnight nimbus]

your minimum effectiveness is pretty good

[stoic breach]

I thought it was pretty easy

[midnight nimbus]

your maximum effectiveness is very good

high skill floor = easy to start

[stoic breach]

Oh yeah

Yeah nah

Its really easy to get into

[prime pine]

You could practice and still be effective. Sorta.

Zoom zoom zoom.

[midnight nimbus]

I use the economic definitions of floor/ceiling for everything

[coral fiber]

If anyone wants to know more about BFV's plane issue i recommend watching this video if you're interested
https://youtu.be/_klDUHdOD34

[midnight nimbus]

so idk

gamers are back and forth on the definitions

[stoic breach]

I always assumed that the skill floor was like the required threshold for you to actually start doing something

I suppose I'm saying it in audio terms though

[coral fiber]

Oh damn it's 12:00 AM
Good Morning lol

[midnight nimbus]

yeah high skill floor = it's easy to start something, and when you start doing it, it's effective

BF4 AH = endlessly low skill floor, endlessly high skill ceiling

[stoic breach]

Yeah fair enough

[midnight nimbus]

I guess you can lump the BF1 1895 Trench into that definition too

if you're bad, it's really really bad

but if you're a headshot god, it's the best gun in the game

BO4 Mozu is like this too

[stoic breach]

Hahaha

I think it was alot easier to shotgun on console in BF1

People would go around with 100ss Model 10 because it was easy to use

Idk if they played with aim assist on though

[coarse thunder]

Now it's the SMG 08/18

Aim assist was hella broken for bolt action infy snipers

[stoic breach]

Hahaha

I had to disable it cause aim assist fucks up my muscle memory

[midnight nimbus]

console BF tends to have shorter engagement distances in general

less people go for those shots that really push your gun's max effective range

so shotguns are pretty good

[prime pine]

I actually couldn't use the Model 10 A

There's something felt off about it

[midnight nimbus]

well

it's not a very good gun

so

[coarse thunder]

I used the M1897 but then switched over to the Model 1900 and never looked back

[prime pine]

I used the model 1900 but that's cause of my bias for Doom.

Ayyy

[stoic breach]

Double barrels have so much hype about them

[prime pine]

Seriously. Since i have grown up with doom. Anything ressembling a double barreled shotgun i must use.

[stoic breach]

Yeet

[prime pine]

I made my enforcer on BFH the closest thing i do in ressemblence to doomguy

Original doom guy.

Green clothes and gray equipment. Wasn't the prettiest but hey!

[stoic breach]

Doom man

[coarse thunder]

And now Doomy Slayer

[prime pine]

I do hope that the new universe is connected to the old universe.

Cause. Doom 64 ended with doom guy staying in hell.

[coarse thunder]

It seems like a hard retconn to me

[prime pine]

It would make sense for him to be where he is!

DOOT DOOT!

[coarse thunder]

Yeah but Doom 2016 lore states that Doom Slayer has been around kinda forever

[prime pine]

Yeah in the sense of dimensional weirdness.

Doomguys counterpart in eternal is probably gonna add even more onto it

OH YEAH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxbXtFQ4DwY

[compact oxide]

Well it's not suggested he's been around forever, it's just an unidentified amount of time to breed the mysterious legend

Don't forget that DOOM 2016 is meant to be more futuristic than the originals

[prime pine]

^

[rocky verge]

Mg42 or mg34

[solid hinge]

MG42

[charred heron]

MG42