battlefield-legacy-titles

[solid hinge]

Roze you forgot DODS.~

[stone plaza]

also MW2019

[solid hinge]

cya

[stone plaza]

and crab champions

FPS is saved

[solid hinge]

Also you forgot quake

[stone plaza]

fuck yeah DODS @solid hinge

[stoic breach]

I'm mostly console but I'm still excited for MCC on pc

[plain temple]

Ss uniforms and wehrmacht uniforms were black and gre6 @solid hinge

[solid hinge]

WWII Cs

do you console peasants

[plain temple]

Suck my duck

[stone plaza]

@solid hinge i said 2005

i would have said CS 1.6

[solid hinge]

But green looks cooool

[plain temple]

HaOw

[solid hinge]

Ooooof

[stoic breach]

I'm not a cod fan but I'm excited to see something interesting from MW2019

[stone plaza]

but i meant specifically BF2's contemporaries

[plain temple]

How does green look good

[stone plaza]

BF2 gunplay is unforgivable

[solid hinge]

Did they ever use green

[plain temple]

I ti honk so

[stone plaza]

given the choice between single tapping and not hitting anything (BF2) or spraying and hitting everything (COD 2)

ofc cod is better

one dimensional gmaeplay only works if it's hype

[plain temple]

WHAT

[solid hinge]

No

I'm not being dragged into this convo

[plain temple]

OH I THOUGHT YOY MEANT COD WW2

[solid hinge]

goodnight

[plain temple]

ok ill sit

[solid hinge]

Nani

[stone plaza]

lol

[plain temple]

Haha coeard

[stone plaza]

leaving an argument = u lose

btw

so cya

[plain temple]

Cant even fight LIKE A MAN

[stoic breach]

CoD WW2 was crap

[solid hinge]

that's just because you want me to loose brain cells

[stoic breach]

God the level design design was just ugh

[stone plaza]

you don't really have many to begin with

[solid hinge]

https://youtu.be/hU5_Nah7EcM 2 minutes in

[stone plaza]

you literally defend bf2 gunplay...

[solid hinge]

@plain temple

after arguing with kht yes

[stone plaza]

kht has far better understanding of FPS design than you ever will

lmfao

have you seen his credentials?

[stoic breach]

I feel more open minded after talking to kht

[cinder pond]

I want more maps

[stone plaza]

kht knows what he's talking about

[stoic breach]

Whats his credentials?

[cinder pond]

More good* maps

[stone plaza]

well

the FTK posts on reddit

countless posts on the old /r/bf_live about improving BF1 gunplay

he has a large brain

[stoic breach]

He does

[dense bone]

posting a lot of opinions doesnt mean you have credentials

[stone plaza]

not opinions Orange

[solid hinge]

Alot of the stuff he says are opinions

[stone plaza]

they're game numbers, parsed and analysed for the lay person to understand

[plain temple]

Uh

[stone plaza]

uh no

[plain temple]

Fallgelbbbb

[stone plaza]

numbers =/= opinions

[solid hinge]

He wants a more competitive gameplay

[plain temple]

Whert even is germany

[stone plaza]

opinions =/= facts

[plain temple]

Isnt it just a pride plag

[solid hinge]

I would rather have stuff like 7 classes and more immersive aspects like getting out of your plane

[stone plaza]

competitive gameplay = gameplay that supports a high skill ceiling, that does not choke the individual player of his ability to contribute

[dense bone]

posting numbers doesnt mean you have credentials

[solid hinge]

they're both not really wrong I think

[stone plaza]

yes, you want a more milsim game

we get it

[solid hinge]

a more tactical game but not a more milsim game

[stone plaza]

tactical =/= slow

[solid hinge]

you're using the word milsim quite liberally

[stone plaza]

please understand this

[midnight nimbus]

bruh

[stone plaza]

tactics come from having OPTIONS

[solid hinge]

@plain temple https://youtu.be/hU5_Nah7EcM 2 minutes in. Explain that

[stone plaza]

if you don't have OPTIONS, you can't have TACTICS

[dense bone]

yes you can...

[stone plaza]

a game that empowers the individual gives the individual a lot of OPTIONS

[solid hinge]

Yes tactics in the right place

[midnight nimbus]

what's the difference between 7 classes and 4 when the 4 allow you spec them out the same way you could back when there were 7

[plain temple]

DABE I HAVE THE UNIFORM

@solid hinge its the SS-Verfügungstruppe uniform

Later waffen ss uniforms would also use a greenwr colour

[solid hinge]

Vergu dergu herga derga durr?

[plain temple]

What

I dont speak ss

Uh

[fathom pebble]

[plain temple]

My german is a pitrle off

[solid hinge]

When i search it up

It shows me the short uniform

it's more of a team mentality versus an individual mentality

I want the long trwnchcost with gloves

Battlefield is too large for individual mentality

[plain temple]

Wait its not germany

I feel betrayed

What kabfuage is that

[solid hinge]

or to be more exact

squad mentality

[fathom pebble]

[stone plaza]

well there definitely isn't any ability to make 32 players work together without systems to support that

[stoic breach]

Thats why Battlefield has to be able to support individual players

[plain temple]

@solid hinge search 6p waffen ss uniform 1944

[stone plaza]

systems to support that include making individuals strong

[plain temple]

Youll find something there

[analog mist]

You guys see this? https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/bxw77p/12_new_weapons_leak_link_fix/

I am moist.

[dense bone]

@stone plaza theres hundreds of ways to make players work together with or without mechanics

[plain temple]

Oo yes daddy

Mkre tund

Guns

[midnight nimbus]

Fliegerfaust is so dank

rocket spam to the max yes pls

[dense bone]

the standard the more people the better is probably the best reason to work together

[solid hinge]

I know that I don't have many credentials in playing FPS games but the more tactical option is based off of limiting the players in realistic ways so that each individual in a group effot (6 players per fireteam) do better together

that's not really a bad design

as is having more individual power

I read that as fingerfaust

[stoic breach]

Rocket spam against planes sounds very nice

[solid hinge]

I think personally, Battlefield should lean towards the tactical side

I was confused

but not be fully like squad

[stoic breach]

Annoying planes in general sounds nice

[plain temple]

@solid hinge lmao

[solid hinge]

Finger fist

[midnight nimbus]

limiting doesn't actually equal more teamwork

[plain temple]

Hahahhd uh rbt

[midnight nimbus]

not always

[plain temple]

Hehe im going to fucking snap

Karabin for the medic when

[solid hinge]

why so?

each class has a specific role which can be performed on each map

[stoic breach]

Medic cant be played on large maps

[midnight nimbus]

it's fine in a game like siege or ow

[stoic breach]

Because SMGs suck

[dense bone]

i dont see how limiting doesnt increase the dependency on others

[midnight nimbus]

but look at something like CoH for good teamwork

[stoic breach]

They should have assault rifles 😩

[midnight nimbus]

you're always happy that a teammate shows up

[plain temple]

Dave do you wnana play now

[stoic breach]

And carbines dont count causw you cant force people to use one type of weapon category

[midnight nimbus]

you never feel handicapped or limited by their presence

[stoic breach]

That only has 2 guns

[solid hinge]

Yeah BFV's problem is that each class isn't given equalized weapons

[midnight nimbus]

can't say the same about BF

[plain temple]

No

[solid hinge]

in games like squad and rs2 each class has relatively the same weapons

[dense bone]

@midnight nimbus thats because you want to infantry farm as much as possible

[solid hinge]

except for the scout which has an SMG

Yeah

I'm eating my dinner

[midnight nimbus]

no even in a tryhard setting

[plain temple]

Grribrr

[dense bone]

in a try hard settings theres no reason to not be happy for having more numbers on your side

[solid hinge]

Just unlocked the rockets for the planes so I wanna try that out

I'm not saying Battlefield should go full squad as it should maintain choices but it's not really a bad idea to have more specialized roles like archetypes said

[midnight nimbus]

there's a ton of scenarios where a teammate's presence isn't just useless, but actively detrimental

[plain temple]

Imagine eating

Oh dhit i gotta feed my mum

[solid hinge]

Only because Battlefield V has weaker weapons

see I agree with you on class design for BF1942 being bad

[dense bone]

the only time having numbers would be bad is if they are numbers in meaningless positions

[solid hinge]

in that game anti-tank classes have fucking pistols as secondaries and no rifle

[stoic breach]

Randoms steal your vehicles alot

Thats one situation where I wouldnt want other players around

[solid hinge]

the BFV devs are using that same mentality of 'let's give the medic an SMG'

[stoic breach]

Its why I dont wanna call in the Pakwagon ever

[solid hinge]

I think to understand limiting classes and how they work

[gray glade]

i sometimes wait until all surrounding teammates are gone before i go out and repair the vehicle depot when im in a tank

just to make sure they dont steal it

[stoic breach]

Yeah giving medics smgs just stops them from being flexible

[solid hinge]

each class needs a more normalized weapon like a bolt rifle and then special classes like assault and scout get stuff like SMGs and Assault Rifles

[dense bone]

because the rest of the medic kit is game changing

[solid hinge]

or the option to carry one

not even a bolt rifle

[midnight nimbus]

or when a medic is coming in to revive you and a squadmate swoops in instead

[solid hinge]

a semi-auto as an option

[midnight nimbus]

or BF's generally terrible soldier collision

[stoic breach]

I think semis for assault is fine

[solid hinge]

Also the thing is that as a medic you need to play more carefully

[sweet fulcrum]

Which survivalist skin did appear in your armory? MP40 or Sten?

[solid hinge]

you need to use cover more

[dense bone]

giving the same killing potential across the board and not considering class skills is not a way to balance a game

[stoic breach]

The current weapon thing is mostly fine

I got mp40

[midnight nimbus]

BF3/4 did weapon distribution the best

[solid hinge]

because your SMG doesn't do well at range

[dense bone]

define best

[solid hinge]

Sten is overall better than mp40 but mp40 is iconic

[midnight nimbus]

or scratch that, BF1 >>>

[sweet fulcrum]

@stoic breach When did you claim the stuff?

[dense bone]

gave you the most options yea

[stoic breach]

On really large maps with no cover theres no way to comfortably play medic

I claimed it today

[solid hinge]

BF1 was fine save for gadget distribution

[sweet fulcrum]

I'm talking about the survivalist skins, not the weapons itselfs

[midnight nimbus]

bc BF1 had no all-class nonsense

[analog mist]

I wouldn't consider giving a class assault rifles, infinite health, and revives the best.

[solid hinge]

you oftentimes had medics with no syringe I think?

[stone plaza]

gadget distribution is actually decent because every class has some anti-tank capability

[solid hinge]

might be wrong

[stone plaza]

i mean

i ran medpack medbox in BF4

[dense bone]

your preference for options and flexibility doesnt mean its best

[solid hinge]

doesn't that make tanks useless in some cases

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 syringe was actually good

[stone plaza]

or medbox M320 dart

[plain temple]

Mp40 and sten are garbage compared to suomi and thompson hehe finna flex

[stone plaza]

because BF4 defib sucked

[sweet fulcrum]

It seems no Survivalist MP40 for me, only shitty sten

[icy sluice]

Insta-kill syringe

[stone plaza]

BF1 reviving feels good

it's chad af

[solid hinge]

bf2 defib is the worst thing

[stone plaza]

i revive randoms in this game

[stoic breach]

Giving medic a self heal cooldown would be balanced and medic could get rocket launchers for all I care

[solid hinge]

fuck that

[midnight nimbus]

i don't run revs or ammo in BF4

[icy sluice]

I prefer having the animations

[stone plaza]

BF2 defib is the worst thing

fixed

[solid hinge]

The animations add tension

[dense bone]

they are currently balanced the way they are

[solid hinge]

Healing syringe for regular bf

I think they're fine for stuff like entering tanks

[stone plaza]

an inescapable QTE adds tension, epic

[dense bone]

you guys just look at balance purely as kill potential

[solid hinge]

that's not QTE no

[icy sluice]

You can get out the revive animation by pressing use again

[stoic breach]

Locking a medic revive animation would be fine if it was faster

Obviously not as good as instant revive

But it would work alot better than it does

[sweet fulcrum]

Ok so uuh, i didn't get the mp40 survivalist, ea help wasn't able to give it to me, what could i do

[stoic breach]

Idk

[dense bone]

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[junior mist]

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[dense bone]

send something there

[solid hinge]

wait what there's an MP40 version?

[sweet fulcrum]

I literally just did it but they couldn't do anything

[stoic breach]

Its not that good

[dense bone]

idk what to tell ya in that case

[solid hinge]

: (

[stoic breach]

And I really didnt want another KE7 skin but whatever

[sweet fulcrum]

let's hope this problem gets some visibility

[stoic breach]

Now Boys AT survivalist 🌚

Bush AT

[sweet fulcrum]

oh no

[solid hinge]

@stone plaza BF2 is really an ok game the only problems with it is the gunplay sometimes

fite me

[icy sluice]

Cavelleira ( I think ) skins look nice but I don't like the weapons they have been available for

[keen pilot]

Man I played bf last night. What happened to the objective players? Everyone was bipoded or snipers 🤔

[dense bone]

when did people ever play the obj?

i would think the boys would create more campers too

[sweet fulcrum]

Cavalleria has been avaible for the LS-26... and?

Boys?

[solid hinge]

yeah

it looks fine on the boys

[midnight nimbus]

5 GRENADES

[solid hinge]

the gold skins are really shit though

[plain temple]

Tyes

Teuw

Teuw

Fuck

True

[solid hinge]

ok

[graceful prairie]

I JUST GOT SHOT THROUGH SMOKE

[sweet fulcrum]

I think it appeared for a couple hours today for the Commando Carbine, it wasn't purchasable though

[graceful prairie]

THE GUY MUST BE CHEATING

[plain temple]

LMAO

[keen pilot]

Bf2 bf4 bf1 was ok bfv I guess u don’t

[stoic breach]

If the Boys didnt need a bipod, had a forced scope and had rainbow glint

And snipers had sweetspots

[plain temple]

The head

[solid hinge]

what about having no scope for it

[stoic breach]

And MMGs didn't need bipods

[dense bone]

pls god no, no sweetspots

[solid hinge]

that thing is made hard to use with a scope

[plain temple]

T h e h e a d

[stoic breach]

And medics had assault rifles

😩

[plain temple]

Ok stop

S t o p

[stoic breach]

First step towards greatness

[dense bone]

god no

[stoic breach]

And if assaults had smgs instead

[analog mist]

I don't even use a scope on the boys.

[midnight nimbus]

based AR medic

[gray glade]

and a mortar for all supports

[analog mist]

Since you know, vehicles are massive.

[stone plaza]

razentoast gets it
boys wouldn't be cheesy if it was ironsights only and snipers had sweetspots

[solid hinge]

@stoic breach do it like squad and make every base class get a rifle / semi-auto rifle

[stone plaza]

and yeah

based midrange medic

semis, ARs, anything to let it do its job

if healers are at the front, who are they healing?

not the people behind them

[plain temple]

Themselves

[stone plaza]

frontline healer is MMO shit

exactly

@plain temple

and they dont need to

[dense bone]

themselves and people playing the obj

[stone plaza]

because they have UNLIMITED SELF HEAL

[dense bone]

they have unlimited heal

[stone plaza]

playing the objective =/= standing on it

[plain temple]

Good good

Let the hate flow through you

[stone plaza]

if i am shooting people on a point from 30m away, is that not playing the objective?

[dense bone]

uhh, considering most objective need you to stand in it to do something...

if you dont have it capped, no

[stone plaza]

if i am stopping the enemy team from standing on it

[solid hinge]

isn't playing the objective attacking the people currently on it

[stone plaza]

take frontlines for instance

if we already have majority standing on it

i can stand elsewhere and shoot the other team

[solid hinge]

@plain temple I'm here

[stoic breach]

Well breakthrough is the best gamemode cause you literally cant not play the objective

[midnight nimbus]

iron sight only Boys is dumb

[dense bone]

then the medic should stand by you and heal

[midnight nimbus]

FORCED
SCOPE

[stoic breach]

You can camp on the edge of the map and still PTFO in Breakthrough

[solid hinge]

you're only saying that because you're a farmer kht

you love to farm the salt

[dense bone]

honeslty, almost all these recommendations sound like preference changes for casuals

[solid hinge]

even mine?

[stoic breach]

I just really want a rainbow scope on the Boys AT so its easier to see and counter

[solid hinge]

mines are fully blasphemous

[stoic breach]

And thats coming from someone who uses the Boys

[solid hinge]

apperantly

[midnight nimbus]

no iron sight Boys is genuinely dumb

[solid hinge]

I mean scopes were never used on it irl

[stone plaza]

forced scope is nice

honestly

[midnight nimbus]

if it can insta OHK people, it should give people an indication that they can get insta OHKed

[stone plaza]

ironsight only boys turns it into martini henry, forced scope is better for the receiving end

i honestly dont mind either solution

[plain temple]

@solid hinge gucci

[solid hinge]

forced sights require you to learn the thing for such a very powerful item

[plain temple]

Im dying

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[stone plaza]

I mean scopes were never used on it irl

who cares it's a video game

female soldiers never fought in greece either and i don't see you complaning about that

just saying

[plain temple]

HISTROLICAL ACCUARCY

[stoic breach]

Its nice to have some historical accuracy but at the end of the day

[solid hinge]

histrolical

[stoic breach]

Its an OHK weapon lmao

[plain temple]

Remove females pepe hands

[stoic breach]

People already hate it enough

[plain temple]

Histroicalotjt acxuracy

[fathom pebble]

daily rant of BFV

[stone plaza]

the difference is that ahistorical guns and attachments add agmeplay variety

[fathom pebble]

[sharp grove]

,remove the ww1 guns

[solid hinge]

@plain temple join me

[stone plaza]

while cosmetics like soldier models only serve to appease gaming journalists

[plain temple]

@solid hinge ok im already wiaitbg for toi

[solid hinge]

Toi

[stoic breach]

Haha yeah people went on for so long about dice trying to be woke

[fathom pebble]

remove the ww1 guns
they were used aswell in ww2

[stoic breach]

But its just cosmetic shit and its meant to sell and look good in images

[fathom pebble]

[plain temple]

Dhut yp

[solid hinge]

there's a difference between making a gun having ironsights because it's too powerful, forcing the user to learn it, between having females in ww2

[stone plaza]

learn

[plain temple]

Remove females

[stone plaza]

EYESIGHT IS SKILL

[solid hinge]

Remove everything

I mean people don't use ironsight for a reason

[stone plaza]

you want to know the solution to your ironsight boys "skill"

[plain temple]

🦀 females are gone 🦀

[stone plaza]

GET AN EYE TEST

or get a bigger monitor

[solid hinge]

oh

[stone plaza]

eyesight =/= skill

[solid hinge]

do you complain about visibility rose?

[plain temple]

Basically

[fathom pebble]

visibility is shit

[stone plaza]

that's not a relevant discussion to have

[plain temple]

Pepe hands

[midnight nimbus]

wait why do ironsights make a gun more skilled

lmao

[fathom pebble]

play BF1 or BF3 you'll see the difference

[stone plaza]

eyesight =/= skill

[plain temple]

🦀

[sharp grove]

As in remove the sebslabter the sweeper and the ribyie rifle and the mas44

[stone plaza]

that's nothing to do with visibility

[midnight nimbus]

iron sights are literally the best way to use the Boys rn

[graceful prairie]

roze is toxic

pls ban

[stone plaza]

lol

[dense bone]

bigger monitor doesnt help you see better...

[stone plaza]

why are you booing me? i'm right

[solid hinge]

Yeah you make some good points but you're an asshole

tfw someone boys' me with the entire top half of their torso clipping forwards through the ground and their legs at a stupid angle in the air

[echo glen]

[stone plaza]

higher res does @dense bone

[solid hinge]

Like come on dude

[fathom pebble]

wouldnt be bigger resolution a better idea?

[dense bone]

yea higher res does, but you said bigger monitor

[stone plaza]

yes

[solid hinge]

I'm just saying some fairly menial stuff and you call me a child?

[fathom pebble]

better definition

[solid hinge]

what kind of shit is that

[stone plaza]

bigger higher res monitor

[stoic breach]

Haha yeah Roze be nice lol

[stone plaza]

i mean if you're 18 years old and literally pretending you have extensive bf1942/bf2 experience

[dense bone]

a 27" 1080p monitor would have horrible ppi

[stone plaza]

then i don't know what to tell you

[solid hinge]

I can have the right to an opinion

just get a better TV bro

[icy sluice]

Harder faster stronger

[solid hinge]

then click on their head

[stone plaza]

look up an article called "the intellectual free lunch" that ran in the new yorker in the 90s

[solid hinge]

I'm not

[plain temple]

@solid hinge carson join um easy

[dense bone]

tv input lag generally poo

[stone plaza]

it's important

[stoic breach]

I have a 1080p monitor but if I sit too far away on my bed I cant see shit

[fathom pebble]

Just aim at his head

[stone plaza]

it's about uninformed opinions.

[icy sluice]

I am a console person but I play at a desk

[solid hinge]

I'm just sayign that BF1942 and BF2 have some good ideas

that's not factually wrong

???? What did you say

[stone plaza]

what good ideas did they have that aren't better in BF3/4/1

[plain temple]

OH MY GOD I DID IT

[solid hinge]

you're fucking saying anything related to those games is toxic and needs to die

[plain temple]

I SHOT A PLANE WITH A TANK DOWN

CAROSN I DID IT

[echo glen]

Nice

[graceful prairie]

ROZE just because youre older doesnt mean your opinion is worth more than a guy younger than you.

[plain temple]

@solid hinge JOIN EASY SWUA

[icy sluice]

Can you please not talk in all caps

[solid hinge]

cant believe the piddly original bolts had lighthouse level glint and the boys can be used entirely effectively with irons only

[echo glen]

This is getting messy

[solid hinge]

@plain temple ayy

HUH

and it gets a remove muzzleflash spec

JOIN EASY SWUA???

[rotund sentinel]

Sanitater! Da!

[solid hinge]

bad choice

ITS FULL

@plain temple

[stone plaza]

@graceful prairie i'm surprised you wake up in the morning still remembering how to breathe

the argumkent isnt that he's young

[graceful prairie]

TOXIC

[stone plaza]

the argument is that he's too young to have played BF2 when it was actually the current BF game

[plain temple]

@solid hinge OK join charlie squad

[stone plaza]

"reeee toxic!!!!"

[stoic breach]

Everybody gotta calm down 😷

[stone plaza]

i'm just going to ignore everything you say from now on since it isn't constructive

[solid hinge]

I mean yes but does that make liking certain things from it wrong?

[stone plaza]

anyway

airfirled

continue

[echo glen]

This is looking like the Balkans in 1991

[solid hinge]

being rude in front of a mod
not sure you should be calling anyone else stupid

Joined

[stoic breach]

I remember someone called me a capitalist bootlicker cause I said EA as a company needed to make money

[solid hinge]

!r4

[scenic beacon]

[junior mist]

:information_source: Rule 4

Be polite and kind. Respect others if they have a different opinion. If you disagree with someone, you are free to do so politely, but don't make it personal and become hostile.

[slim summit]

its the weekend.. every1 has lost it

[fathom pebble]

I was like 7 y/o when I got BF1942 and Vietnam

[solid hinge]

@plain temple join it

[fathom pebble]

am I to young?

[solid hinge]

Good

[echo glen]

I didn't exist

[stone plaza]

liking the game isn't a problem, championing certain poorly designed parts of the game as better than redesigned parts in newer games which objectively make the game more appealing to people who want to get good at it is a problem

this is my viewpoint

you are free to disagree

[solid hinge]

Fair enough

[dense bone]

when people try to argue game balance and design and are probably average to slightly above average skill wise

[fathom pebble]

or basically

remove mmg's

[stone plaza]

BF3 was designed around a subtractive philosophy which cut out a lot of the unneeded bs of previous titles which slowed the game down without adding additional thinking to do

[fathom pebble]

problem solved

[echo glen]

[plain temple]

Oh dor fucks sake

[slim summit]

give dynamite to medics
problem solved

[plain temple]

WHY IS

[echo glen]

But muh MG's are historically accurate hur dur

[plain temple]

my internet gabrhagw

[stone plaza]

Orange pro players aren't in charge of BF design

[plain temple]

Jrth

[stoic breach]

MMGs would be better if they didnt need bipods

[stone plaza]

nor are pro racers in charge of building the F1 cars

[stoic breach]

Just make them slow to ADS

[stone plaza]

they give feedback, yes

[plain temple]

[stone plaza]

but they don't design the game

[dense bone]

neither do casuals

[fathom pebble]

pro players arent in charge in the development of BFV

[stone plaza]

especially in FPS, the ability to aim is actually completely separate to the ability to understand the game

[solid hinge]

Lol you crashed

[dense bone]

and casuals arent even performing to give valuable feedack

[solid hinge]

lmao

they are

[plain temple]

@solid hinge

[midnight nimbus]

casuals literally design BF

wydm

[fathom pebble]

Let me just present to you Drunkzz former Pro in BF4

[stone plaza]

casuals design BF lol

[solid hinge]

look at westie and jackfrags

[fathom pebble]

also won ESL

[stone plaza]

justice

florian is one guy

[fathom pebble]

[plain temple]

Great games full

[stone plaza]

in a team of however many hundreds

[plain temple]

[midnight nimbus]

the majority of DICE isn't very good at BF

[plain temple]

[fathom pebble]

thats not even my point

[stone plaza]

check the stats of all the DICE devs lol

no, it is your point

[solid hinge]

the majority of DICE isn't very good at BF

wew lad

[stoic breach]

especially in FPS, the ability to aim is actually completely separate to the ability to understand the game
This is literally Titanfall lol

[stone plaza]

don't change your point just because you were proven wrong @fathom pebble

[solid hinge]

also what are we defining skill as

KDR?

[stone plaza]

your argument is that pros design BF

[stoic breach]

My god I love Titanfall so much

[fathom pebble]

the game isnt designed for competitive, its supposed and always was to be a casual shooter but more massive then cod or MoH

[echo glen]

I'll never understand how devs aren't good at their own games

[stone plaza]

the fact is that the only pro player at DICE is Florian

[midnight nimbus]

^

element too

[stone plaza]

oh yeah

[solid hinge]

tfw shit at piloting but good at titaning

[dense bone]

because they spend time making shit and not playing it

[solid hinge]

more vehicles pls

[dense bone]

its not that hard

[fathom pebble]

you dont have to be an employee at DICE to develop it

[solid hinge]

i want more tanks

[stone plaza]

@fathom pebble you were proven wrong so do not change your argument

[fathom pebble]

look at incursions

[scenic beacon]

Incursions was GOOD

[solid hinge]

speaking of pro players we need more pro airplane players and pro tank players

[fathom pebble]

like tens of actual formal and pros did feedback on it

[scenic beacon]

i liked that a lot

[fathom pebble]

and they listened

[stone plaza]

pro tank players

[solid hinge]

too many infantry mains

[stone plaza]

kht is top 1% tanker

[fathom pebble]

[stone plaza]

his feedback is valuable

[dense bone]

for kdr?

for farming infantry...

[stone plaza]

also bigboss is the greatest pilot in the game

[dense bone]

impressive?

[solid hinge]

Camping flakpanzer

[stone plaza]

he has a 400 kd

[solid hinge]

Nice

[stone plaza]

he hasn't died in months

[midnight nimbus]

pro pilots = there's like a half dozen that are good enough to be useful in a comp setting

[icy sluice]

Tanking is pretty easy.

[stone plaza]

yeah i mean

you're bulletproof

and you explode people

[solid hinge]

fair enough

[stone plaza]

it's great fun

[plain temple]

Ok backbin

[fathom pebble]

tanks arent that abusive in BFV

[midnight nimbus]

I don't have a 400 K/D, but I'm more than good enough at tanking to realize the problems with it

[fathom pebble]

unlike BF4 and BF1

[stoic breach]

Especially sitting on a hill with an Archer

[fathom pebble]

[stoic breach]

Tanks in BFV are designed to camp

[midnight nimbus]

same way top pilots talk about how shit BFV flying is

[solid hinge]

I don't think we should be defining skill bf KDR

[midnight nimbus]

mfw top pilots literally talk about how AA is shit

[solid hinge]

that's where it all goes wrong imo

[stone plaza]

airfield nobody ever said that

[plain temple]

Wait you can scrap special assignments?

[dense bone]

yea skill as kdr is a joke but whatever

[stone plaza]

i'm just saying bigboss is the best pilot because he hasn't lost a dogfight in months

[midnight nimbus]

when tickets get drained by kills and deaths

[stone plaza]

kdr, kpm, and spm are all important

[midnight nimbus]

i'd say KD is really important

[gray glade]

i need help

[stone plaza]

kdr shows how often you bleed enemy tickets compared to your own

kpm shows how often you do that

and spm shows how much you're on the point otherwise

also win rate

[gray glade]

Someone help me, how can i stop bipodding with mmg's?

[dense bone]

kd isnt important

[stone plaza]

shows how much of an effect this has

[gray glade]

i wanna be one of the cool boys

[solid hinge]

@gray glade w + m1

[stone plaza]

kd is important when killing the enemy drains their tickets

dead players don't capture points

[dense bone]

@midnight nimbus pretty sure your kd in tanks destroy my infantry kd, but last i checked i have a higher win % because i ptfo

[stone plaza]

but kpm is also very important

how often you kill the enemy

[dense bone]

kpm is more important since it drains more tickets faster

[stone plaza]

tanks have a far greater effect on the match than any individual infantry Orange

this is an objective fact

[solid hinge]

as long as they arent a shit tank

[stone plaza]

that's a given Ayla

tanks as a concept

[midnight nimbus]

I don't p2w in BFV

bc in game commander

[dense bone]

odd, since i have a higher win % than kht which is a self proclaimed good tanker

[stone plaza]

p2farm

[solid hinge]

evil

[stone plaza]

yeah because kht plays ingame commander

on maps he doesnt like

[solid hinge]

I'm a medic main sooo

[stone plaza]

you tell the other team where your team is so they can kill you faster and you can move onto the next map

it's pretty based

[solid hinge]

and a part time support repairman

[stoic breach]

Medic AR so I can continue to main medic 😩

[dense bone]

when not playing the objective is worse than infantry camping in a vehicle at edge of map

[midnight nimbus]

I don't edge camp

[dense bone]

you dont go into obj

[solid hinge]

let's be real at least they're not arty truck mains

[stone plaza]

kht only plays breakthrough

edge camping isnt optimal

edge camping is conquest shit

[midnight nimbus]

going into obj doesn't mean not playing the obj

[dense bone]

it means you are clearing obj in hopes team caps it

[midnight nimbus]

you can watch my gameplay if you really want

[dense bone]

if it was so effective youd have a higher win %

[stoic breach]

Conquest tank camping is annoying but breakthrough tank camping is fine cause you wanna keep enemies off the point

[stone plaza]

again, ingame commander

[stoic breach]

Its technically PTFO

[midnight nimbus]

i have a pretty high win % on maps I don't in game commander

[dense bone]

and this data is where?

[midnight nimbus]

pretty high winrate on Aerodrome and Panzerstorm

[dense bone]

source?

[midnight nimbus]

abysmally low on Fjell

[solid hinge]

game commander?

[midnight nimbus]

also bc in game commander is super effective in Fjell

[solid hinge]

what is this bf2 commander mode

where you arty spam

[midnight nimbus]

no its even better

[solid hinge]

Fucking Camping flakpanzer ffs

[stone plaza]

no

it's way better

because it's actrually useful

you tell the other team where your team is

and then they arty/V1 you

it's a way to lose faster to get onto the next map

if you dont get a tank

or you're playing fjell

[dense bone]

wheres the source for these win percentages?

[solid hinge]

I can see that

if you're a top scorer and say something in team chat then

[stone plaza]

telling your team where to go is abysmally bad bc you dont have info

telling the other team?

[solid hinge]

people will listen to you

[stone plaza]

EPIC

bc you know exactly where your team is at all times

you have 100% reliable info

it's great

[dense bone]

imagine depending on randoms to use that info

[quasi aspen]

why someone get mp40 skin while some get sten?

[midnight nimbus]

oh if an enemy is telling you where their team is

why not listen?

especially in breakthrough

[dense bone]

sure, why not?

but people certainly do

[midnight nimbus]

where there's only so many places where they can be

[solid hinge]

It works in some situations but not all the time

[dense bone]

for some god forsaken reason

[solid hinge]

people just do whatever

[dense bone]

^

[solid hinge]

always have, always will

[dense bone]

you say "why wouldnt they" like they DONT

if they DID you would have a higher win % for sure

[midnight nimbus]

have you tried in game commander 🧐

[solid hinge]

in BF1 yes

[keen spade]

ok

i just started up BFV

[plain temple]

@solid hinge where was he

[solid hinge]

I was a top scorer once

[keen spade]

Where did all these skins come from??

[solid hinge]

told people to defend both our points

Spawn

nobody really listened I think?

[stone plaza]

no

[solid hinge]

2 of them

[stone plaza]

you dont tell your own team

[dense bone]

considering im typically top 1% in all per min stats as infantry, me acting as commander would be a bad use of my skillset

[stone plaza]

you tell the enemy team

it's a way to lose, not to win

[plain temple]

Their spawn?

[stone plaza]

specifically

[digital dragon]

ITS SEXY TIME

[solid hinge]

what

[stone plaza]

you tell the enemy team which point to attack

[digital dragon]

Some one give me a big kiss

[stone plaza]

because your team isnt on it

[plain temple]

@solid hinge t h e i r s p a w n?

[stone plaza]

you tell them where to v1/arty bc you have a large concentration of teammates there

that's ingame commander

it's a way to lose on fjell breakthrough so you can get to the next map faster

[solid hinge]

Yup

[stone plaza]

bc fjell doesn;'t have tanks

[dense bone]

only good thing about fjell

[plain temple]

On it

Join my squad bro

Im lonely

[solid hinge]

i remember the dev talk where they decided having all planes was a good idea

[stoic breach]

Fjell layout just sucks

[solid hinge]

I think one of the level designers was high

[stoic breach]

Its good in Squad Conquest though

Cause its only some of the map

[midnight nimbus]

Fjell should be bombers only

[solid hinge]

would it work if we combined fjell with narvik

probably not?

[stone plaza]

fjell bombers only 👌

[solid hinge]

but it's cool I guess

[stone plaza]

also air peace

[dense bone]

i think we get weird maps because they want to make something different

[stone plaza]

bombers cant damage each other

it's just for farming

what we need though

is

[stoic breach]

Probably not that good

[stone plaza]

16v48 panzerstorm grind

where only the side of 16 has vehicles

[solid hinge]

@plain temple not letting me lmao

what abour 32v32 but 10 people have tanks

[stone plaza]

no 16v48 is way more fun bc you can farm harder

[stoic breach]

32v32 all english tanks

[solid hinge]

Ok

[stone plaza]

you're outnumbered but you also have a tank

[solid hinge]

you're thinking about farming too much

Got kicked out the game

[stone plaza]

farming is fun

[solid hinge]

this isnt planetside 2

[stone plaza]

yeah its bfv, even better

[solid hinge]

that's the only fps game where farming is fun

I would rather be a cert farmer there

[stoic breach]

BFV tanks are pretty much designed to be better at farming

[midnight nimbus]

no BF farming is the pinnacle

[dense bone]

farming is for people that think kdr is imsportant

[plain temple]

O sjit rip

[midnight nimbus]

farming is for people who like fun

[stoic breach]

Dice should've just made tanks more fun for everything

[solid hinge]

Battlefield is supposed to be a sandbox game n shit

[dense bone]

fun is subjective

[solid hinge]

not some corridor farming sim

[dense bone]

i think its wack to sit in a tank getting cheese kills

[solid hinge]

bombers cant damage each other
say hello to the 4 .303 blenheim

[midnight nimbus]

or rather farming is for people who like making sure that their enemies don't get to have fun

[solid hinge]

we have planetside 2 for farming

Yeah but like

why be a dick

the pinnacle of gameplay

See I don't understand this type of mindset

[stoic breach]

If BFV had better vehicles and vehicle counters it would be nicer

[stone plaza]

Battlefield is supposed to be-

stop right there

[solid hinge]

why care so much about generating salt

[plain temple]

OH FUCK

[stone plaza]

battlefield isn't supposed to be anything in 2019

[stoic breach]

Bombers farm infantry cause theres no counter

[stone plaza]

BFV is a zero sum game

[dense bone]

lol

[solid hinge]

have you ever taken candy from a baby

[stone plaza]

might as well make sure you're swinging positive

[dense bone]

that stupid statement again

[solid hinge]

yeah but like

[stone plaza]

there is a net 0 fun per server

make sure you're one of the guys having fun

[solid hinge]

you don't have any actual aspirations for the game?

[stone plaza]

BFV also has a very high gini coefficient

[marble phoenix]

what the hell is a zero sum game

[stone plaza]

only a few peolpe get to have fun

while a lot of people have un-fun

[solid hinge]

can't go on being half of an infantry game and half of a vehicle based sandbox

need to be one

[stone plaza]

@marble phoenix a zero sum game is one where the net total of a certain resource is 0

[solid hinge]

yeah so

[marble phoenix]

yo what?

[solid hinge]

• 5 is vehicle based sandbox gameplay with infantry

[stoic breach]

Do you still have that gini coefficient diagram

[stone plaza]

so your gain = enemy loss

[dense bone]

@marble phoenix the amount of fun to be had is directly tied to the amount of fun the enemy has, so if youre having a lot of fun, the enemy is having almost no fun

[solid hinge]

and - 5 is close quarters infantry farming

[dense bone]

its a completely stupid comment

[stone plaza]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501765090018852884/574865732366761984/Screenshot_2019-05-06_at_03.51.03.png

[solid hinge]

which equals 0

[stone plaza]

aerodrome breakthrough gini

[solid hinge]

The whole point of battlefield is vehicle combat + infantry

[marble phoenix]

layman terms helped

[solid hinge]

Maybe go play cod if you dont like it

Yeah but people want an extreme

[marble phoenix]

im still waiting on hardcore mode

[stone plaza]

The whole point of battlefield is vehicle combat + infantry
i wonder why metro is the most played map in BF history

and infantry only karkand in bf2

and locker in bf4

[solid hinge]

I mean karkand and berlin

[dense bone]

basically if you like being a dick and like other people suffering than you will play bfv as zero sum gaming

[stone plaza]

really makes you think

REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

[dense bone]

but for most people that just want to play that statement is really dumb

[solid hinge]

Where do they say metro is the most played map?

[stoic breach]

Its up to DICE to just make it more fun for everyone really

👽

[solid hinge]

I thought el alamein was the most played map

good map

hope they make it again for BFV

the only good bf1942 map save the pacific maps

[dense bone]

zero sum gaming is a term kdr farmers use because they care about kdr more than anything

[stone plaza]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-26-battlefield-3-the-state-of-play

[gray glade]

the only beef i had with el alamein in 1942 was the constant bombers

😄

[stone plaza]

"One interesting one is, people have been complaining about Operation Metro in the original game, that it's tight infantry, it's not Battlefield, people hate this, this is what makes people move away from Battlefield. Actually, it's the most popular map on all platforms."

[dense bone]

and since they are having fun doing that, and enemy usually rages, they think thats what bf is about

[stone plaza]

no el alemein wasnt even close Airfield

[plain temple]

@solid hinge just join another game

[stone plaza]

BF1942 wasnt really played after 2 came out

[plain temple]

Game night going great

Ill follow

[dense bone]

when people really have conflicts with them just playing like a dick, not some zero sum gaming bs

[marble phoenix]

yea there are scummy players out there

[midnight nimbus]

BF farming at its peak is the extension of a non casual mindset

[solid hinge]

I kinda wanna do some grand ops

[plain temple]

Sure

[marble phoenix]

prone laying, camping scum

[plain temple]

Grand ops pog

[solid hinge]

I haven't played that since I got the game

[icy sluice]

I love running and gunning mg42, so satisfying when pulled off

[dense bone]

basically they are trying to say how THEY play the game and how they enjoy it is indicative to bfv design

[solid hinge]

It was the first gamemode i played and it felt so beautiful and atmospheric

They said add survivalist camo to your MP40 but instead we got it for the STEN?

[plain temple]

So you

Really like grand ops

[dense bone]

when i personally just like the grandness of bfv in general and enjoy competitive (challenging) games

[plain temple]

I played it constantly

Its how i got to level 50 so quickly

[echo glen]

Frontlines was one of my Lvl 50 grinders

[solid hinge]

Yeah it was my main gamenode till I moved on to breaktrhough

[plain temple]

I never moved on

[echo glen]

[solid hinge]

Join

[graceful prairie]

bf should be only conquest and nothing else

[dense bone]

id be fine with that personally lol

[plain temple]

Okie dokie

[solid hinge]

Please no

[fathom pebble]

me reading this chat the past hour

[dense bone]

i like how dynamic conquest modes are

[fathom pebble]

[echo glen]

[plain temple]

Lmao

[marble phoenix]

Conquest only mode i play

[dense bone]

i hate linear games in bfv, they just lead to frontlines and people camping

[plain temple]

Grand ops pepe hands

[solid hinge]

i would like a large scale frontlines

with extended map boundaries

[marble phoenix]

grand ops give me a campaign mode feeling with all the narrating at the beginning

just let me deploy

i dont even know what the objective of frontlines is

[dense bone]

for me its to not queue frontline

[solid hinge]

The fucks happened to the netcode since mercury

Keep getting one tapped by smgs and ars

[plain temple]

Dave why did you leave me

[solid hinge]

they busted it man

[hoary condor]

henlo

happy #fridaynightbattlefield

[solid hinge]

yo

[hoary condor]

hello

[plain temple]

I HATE BOYS AT

[hoary condor]

same

campers

[dense bone]

i havent played since the days before it came out

[solid hinge]

gang gang

[dense bone]

glad im missing this

[hoary condor]

makes me enjoy sniping more...

[dusky saffron]

gang gang

I havent really seen the boys used anymore

[short shell]

Huh

[marble phoenix]

shit, coulda foold me.

ive been seeing that joint used often

[short shell]

A n I m e

[hoary condor]

camp the campers

[solid hinge]

@plain temple this is going awfully

[plain temple]

Fuck i wabted to get e

@solid hinge we joined a cursed game

[median skiff]

Yeah, the Boys is way less dynamic compared to running a Gewher, Krag, or Kar98k... I really enjoy it, don't get me wrong, but having to drop and bipod is not conducive to being the most effective person on your team.

And from an AT angle, if someone has something that can auto-spot you (like the Archer), you just die after the first shot anyway. 😂

[plain temple]

0 - 413 remaining respawns

[solid hinge]

[plain temple]

I promise im good at the game

[solid hinge]

Lmaoo

Oh

Hamada

[plain temple]

Hamada

You know what this means dont ya spencer

Fix it again tony

Dave i think we should join another game-

9 against 18 does not work

[tawdry helm]

someone wantrs to play with us PANZERFAUST firestorm?

[hoary condor]

what?

!lfg

[junior mist]

:information_source: <> Looking for Players to play with? Head Over to the Looking For Group Channels in the (#LFG) Channel Category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[rotund sentinel]

In the midst of the battle, the sanitater himself made a grand appearance

[marble phoenix]

forever grateful for those medics

[hoary condor]

[upbeat apex]

anyone lv. 34 on TOW?

[plain temple]

On jah bro

[upbeat apex]

and did you finished the asingment?

[hoary condor]

starting it tonight

though low key paid for all of them anyway

[rotund sentinel]

The sanitater slew the the sniper, feeling a moment of sadness, for the man she had once known

[plain temple]

Excuse me what

OK WHAT WAS THAT KNIFE

[hoary condor]

tonight

[marble phoenix]

the knife from last week's tow?

[hoary condor]

no it's a skin for a gun

can't remember the name, it's been a long day

[plain temple]

Im fucking cursed

It keeps saying im alone in the squad but im with Dave

Excuse me

[hoary condor]

Nothing exists as dave..

you are cursed

[icy sluice]

DICE and EA after the Chapter 4 trailer
"Don't touch that dial now, we're just getting started"

[plain temple]

Im with @solid hinge

Im fucking cursed

[hoary condor]

they have nailed it

[plain temple]

Game nights going well

[hoary condor]

can't wait to get home and start

[marble phoenix]

battelfield and black mirror tonight for sure

[hoary condor]

and Mercury for me

[solid hinge]

Rrkdkeme xnkdak

[plain temple]

Ehejbe what

Are you a ok

[rotund sentinel]

The assault struck down the panzer, and hoped, that it would be for the last time

[solid hinge]

I haven't played firestorm in months

[coral fiber]

The goliath mine tho in bfv

[rotund sentinel]

The players ate their last chicken dinner, and hoped, that it would be for the last time

[icy sluice]

The Goliath Mine was leaked actually

[solid hinge]

I got kicked out the game again

[coral fiber]

It is

I saw Danny's vid

[solid hinge]

@plain temple

[icy sluice]

Incredibly buggy though

[coral fiber]

Annoying ass robot thing lol

[hoary condor]

all game for

[coral fiber]

I wonder if it can be used to troll

[hoary condor]

i re dam love it

[icy sluice]

Something tells me that no one got my P.T reference.

[hoary condor]

Never played it

so, No

[icy sluice]

Didn't either but it was a solid experience, fuck you Konami

[solid hinge]

Dice pls release the pilot hat with the goggles and mask like in the beta

[hoary condor]

just remove boys

[solid hinge]

Yes

That too

Everyone I play with is also sick of that rifle

[plain temple]

@solid hinge g r e a t

I got stuck in a building as a tank

[solid hinge]

Lmao

[plain temple]

And only just managed to get out

[solid hinge]

M1 Garand will be the only gun I’ll keep stock camo

@plain temple have you completed every combined arms mission

[hoary condor]

thought's on Mercury?

[solid hinge]

Amazing

[plain temple]

@solid hinge no why

[solid hinge]

Wanna do them for cc

[plain temple]

@hoary condor best map besides panzerstorm

Sure

[hoary condor]

don't we get 20k cc free?

[icy sluice]

There's going to be great skins for the M1 Garand... and it will look good in gold

[solid hinge]

Idk

I didn't

Even though I have origin or whatever

[icy sluice]

EA Access and Origin Premier got them

That's almost enough for a Tank or Plane skin

[hoary condor]

but with all the new content coming... 20k could help

[plain temple]

Left thegame

[solid hinge]

Oh

I dont have origin