If you can just summon ammo and healing on command what differentiates it from an arcade shooter
#battlefield-legacy-titles
sudden siren
plain temple
Aka every medic in mercury breakthrough 
stoic breach
Because you have to stand near someone with a crate equipped
And when you take ammo or health theres a cooldown
And it lowers the amount of micromanaging people have to do
plain temple
ok now i need to rest
stoic breach
Its a good change
plain temple
Nice talk night yall
stoic breach
Cya
sudden siren
And you press r1 at them and you get a bandage pouch/ammo pouch
stoic breach
No
sudden siren
Great cus that'd be omegacancer
stoic breach
If you have a crate someone can come and interact with you
Or you can interact with someone who has a crate
formal valve
https://youtu.be/2qR2Xp53e6w literally me every game of Breakthrough
sudden siren
Has the AG/m42 been buffed yet
Or as I like to call it
The absolute garbage mang 42
stoic breach
The AGm/42 is one of the best SARs in the game
I don't understand why it needs a buff
It doesnt have any damage dropoff
Its a consistent 4-4 or 2-2 headshot
sudden siren
Takes 87 shots to kill tho
stoic breach
No it doesn't
sudden siren
Has piss iron sights too
stoic breach
If it does then you're fighting against a medic whos healing himself
plain laurel
I LOCE DICE I LOVE BATTLEFIELD ❤️
stoic breach
If you use 3x its a sniper
coral fiber
Oof
stoic breach
3x scope
toxic axle
So TOW going to end in 2 weeks ahead right? How many TOW level I can expect from those assignment? 4? 5?
stoic breach
Depends what level you are
formal valve
Since chapter 4 seems to be lasting from June to September, id say quite a lot
toxic axle
Around 30
solid hinge
mas 44 is nice when you use it
coral fiber
Oh yes
sudden siren
I still feel like the AGm sucks
solid hinge
good mid range and close range
stoic breach
AGm has no recoil, 450rpm
sudden siren
Very poor damage and fire rate imo
coral fiber
AGm is godly
stoic breach
And no damage dropoff
solid hinge
let's nerf it then
stoic breach
As long as you chest shot
coral fiber
No
sudden siren
Could be biased
solid hinge
you know once dice finds out they'll nerf it
coral fiber
No nerf
stoic breach
How is 450 poor
sudden siren
Because the AGm literally stole my company coin
stoic breach
Any faster than 450 and its automatic speeds
stoic breach
CoD WW2
sudden siren
But yeah I actually have 2 AGm/42s
stoic breach
solid hinge
i thought you meant ww2 online mybad
stoic breach
It was so boring when I played it
solid hinge
: (
solid hinge
its ww2 but online
formal valve
stoic breach
I was actually excited for CoD WW2 but then I played it on my friend's xbox and it sucked so bad
formal valve
Sucks donkey d
sudden siren
They completely reworked the game 6 months after launch
solid hinge
damn
formal valve
No
sudden siren
No, but they gave out a bunch of free maps
formal valve
Hell no
stoic breach
The problem I have with CoD is that it does 3-lane maps really poorly
sudden siren
Don't worry
stoic breach
It always just comes down to forced engagement after forced engagement
sudden siren
Battlefield 4 I mean Modern Warfare is coming out soon
stoic breach
solid hinge
Watched the new trailer a couple of times because how good it looks
stoic breach
I hope thats alot better
solid hinge
But
stoic breach
But I only really care about the campaign
stoic breach
🌚
solid hinge
unironically fuck the lag in this
no idea how people play firestorm
You mean fps drop?
hitreg failure and being shot a solid 2 and a half seconds behind cover
midnight nimbus
BFV Firestorm: rated M for masochists
royal fox
yeah like ping spikes or fps spikes?
stoic breach
solid hinge
Stuttering
sudden siren
BFV feels a lot of the time like a culmination of all the glitches from BF4 and BF1 put together
royal fox
because with bfv that could be either
sudden siren
You can get shot through walls due to model and viewmodel inconsistencies
solid hinge
i put 25 stg shots into a dickhead and got under 75 damage, then I ran behind a house and 2 seconds later took a full burst from him that killed me from 100 armour and max hp
sudden siren
It's a pretty epic situation
sudden siren
Has the MP34 been buffed yet
solid hinge
Switch to grand ops
You won’t regret it
it doesnt matter how good the mode is if the hitreg and servers suck ass
Im only doing it for those shiity TOW assignments
royal fox
imo grand ops isnt as grand as bf1s ops
its just bfv quick play but its like an hour and a half
royal fox
yeah same
stoic breach
Yeah I had to skip them as well
royal fox
I mean if you know what maps/gm to play its not too much pain
stoic breach
The mode itself is alright but because its not free it's painful
royal fox
ie with the boys at rifle just attack on breakthrough panzerstorm, then it can be done in one round
solid hinge
They really should seperate it from the game
sudden siren
I feel like
royal fox
yeah it needs to be seperate imo
sudden siren
Since I've only been playing back for a couple of days
Take what I say with a grain of salt
solid hinge
And 64 players isn’t enough
sudden siren
But the Boys is just a weeeeeeeeeee bit busted
stoic breach
The Boys can be really easily balanced
By forcing a scope on it or giving it rainbow scope glint
solid hinge
theoretically I could enjoy firestorm but the current loot system sucks ass and bfv fundamentally has hitreg problems
royal fox
I think they should lower the max armour and hp and then increase player count
sudden siren
Make it a 1 shot kill only to upper chest and up
stoic breach
Ye
royal fox
nah just remove scopes from the boys unless its a specialisation
midnight nimbus
no
stoic breach
That makes it unbalanced
solid hinge
forced 12x on the boys
midnight nimbus
you want the scope to balance it
royal fox
nah, then buff its at damage
midnight nimbus
with rainbow
solid hinge
bring back the lighthouse
stoic breach
Like its a one shot rifle why not give it rainbow glint
solid hinge
the RAINBOW lighthouse
royal fox
nah i dont think so, even if you see rainbow glint and start dancing its still one pretty easy shot to land with a 6x as your aiming for chest not head
stoic breach
At least it can tip you off
solid hinge
it's not the fastest bullet
stoic breach
And maybe some assault player will see it
icy sluice
Ag has such fast bullets lmao
stoic breach
🙏
sudden siren
I dunno
I was probably wrong
Take my opinions on assault balancing with a bit of doubt
icy sluice
Like, I have to do some leading and calculating with the Lee Enfield and Ross... AG M/42 and MAS44 are just lmao.
sudden siren
I almost exclusively play Medic
stoic breach
Medic is alright
icy sluice
I play all classes, Assault has the best weaponry but does nothing really useful other than that
sudden siren
The only thing I will say
stoic breach
But needs to be buffed for sure
sudden siren
Definitively
Is that if the MP34 has not been buffed in some fashion, I will be sad
stoic breach
Well smgs got a global accuracy buff
royal fox
mp34 or emp? I never touch either
icy sluice
Medic is really good in close quarters, I don't really think it needs buffs... even the STEN and MP40 can kill really reliably in close quarters and while outnumbered
stoic breach
And I think they silently buffed the damage on slower smgs
midnight nimbus
not rly
icy sluice
Also, I find hipfire specs to be... useless imo
stoic breach
Didnt they?
royal fox
just add the 3x scope to smgs then its fixed
icy sluice
Nahh...
midnight nimbus
hipfire in BFV needs to be way better for SMGs
stoic breach
Yeah
royal fox
really raptor? the mp28 with hipfire spec is really strong(+50 round mag)
stoic breach
Titanfall hipfire in BFV 😩
midnight nimbus
MP34 is the best ranged SMG in the game
sudden siren
It is objectively not
midnight nimbus
use the stendo version
stoic breach
Titanfall gun runner for SMGs in BFV 😩
sudden siren
At least when I played
icy sluice
Well, it varies on weapon
midnight nimbus
it is objectively the best ranged SMG in the game
royal fox
thats called subjectively not docta
cedar cove
What if they mounted a Suomi to the MP40
sudden siren
The EMP at one point (Maybe still?) had a higher ROF, same accuracy, same damage, better falloff
icy sluice
STEN and MP40 don't need hip fire, they're already really reliable hip fire
midnight nimbus
MP34 has the best damage model of any SMG and it's much more accurate than the EMP
royal fox
yeah but youre outgunned quite easily in close quarters with sten/mp40
midnight nimbus
only SMG that competes with it in accuracy is low RoF ZK
midnight nimbus
I only use Suomi
royal fox
recoil isnt a prob in close quarters
sudden siren
The best SMG is the Suomi
stoic breach
If only smgs in BFV had the same hipfire as bipodded MMGs
royal fox
imo yes, tho not in every situation
stoic breach
Suomi with better hipfire would be wild
midnight nimbus
Suomi recoil is pretty usable to almost midrange
icy sluice
laughs in Console recoil
royal fox
lol
icy sluice
Imagine Console Recoil with a Keyboard and Mouse
stoic breach
Console 981 rpm Suomi midrange burstfire
sudden siren
I was top 1% almost everything but KD
icy sluice
Gonna flex this one more time
stoic breach
👌
royal fox
using a xim on console would yield such an adv
icy sluice
I am in the top 100 of dogtags taken
stoic breach
Hahaha
royal fox
how many dogtags have you taken?
tribal cairn
Yeah, Console Recoil is basically looking at the ceiling
midnight nimbus
I was right outside the top 100 for BF1 AL8 35 Marksman kills
stoic breach
midnight nimbus
don't care enough about anything in BFV to the same level
icy sluice
@royal fox 2,733
stoic breach
BFV needs more interesting weapons
midnight nimbus
AL8 35 in BF1 was the most fun gun I've used in any FPS game
royal fox
thats a lot nice one man
icy sluice
#52 in the world
stoic breach
I sort of wished I tried that but the RSC was too fun not to use all the time
royal fox
al8 35? what
icy sluice
Model 8 Autoloading
royal fox
ohh
royal fox
it was ok, selbstlader 1906 was more rewarding
icy sluice
I just never used a lot of them lol
royal fox
rip
compact oxide
1906 factory in bf1? You're my new fav person if you use that 
stoic breach
As far as I can tell
royal fox
yeah, that guns dope
stoic breach
1906 factory was pretty fun
royal fox
i mean your disadvantaged af but its so nice the reload as well
sudden siren
Have MMGs got a nerf yet?
compact oxide
I got the highest kills in oce PC with it
stoic breach
MMGs would be nicer if they didnt need the bipod
royal fox
ooh sweet, how many?
royal fox
true, But I prefer to jump into the fray and not back out, which is why the smg08 is my fav on assault
sudden siren
Best medic gun in BF1 I remember was the uhhhh
royal fox
80 rounds, decent hipfire and a really good rof means your decently stacked
sudden siren
The general Liu I think it was called
stoic breach
Yeah General Liu when it got bolt action was good
royal fox
I never got too into the liu, neat update with the conversion to bolt action but fedorov avtomat was most efficient
stoic breach
Fedorov Avtomat was so annoying after everyone started using it
royal fox
every gun ever in bfs
tribal cairn
I thought the RSC was pretty neat for my playstyle
icy sluice
I used the M1907
royal fox
I honestly thought the p.16 was too situational and its reload sucked
tribal cairn
I also used the M1918 Tele for holding down objectives with chokepoints
icy sluice
I used to run and gun with the Parabellum
stoic breach
And you could cancel the reload
royal fox
for me it was always 1 stripper (clip) and like 5 bullets and it always annoyed me
tribal cairn
Lmg 08 for me
royal fox
I prefer using it as a repetierpistole with extended mag
stoic breach
Thats really a disservice
royal fox
lmg08 is actually op imo, for its damage its recoil is nothing
stoic breach
Might as well use the experimental then
royal fox
yeah, depends on whether I want irons or not
royal fox
storm version of p.16?
stoic breach
And if you run and gun
icy sluice
Wouldn't be surprised if we got the M1916 LMG in V.
stoic breach
Its just great
stoic breach
Cya
tribal cairn
I'm waiting on Rainbow Six to Download at the moment, so I got time to spare here
icy sluice
Which one?
tribal cairn
Siege.
icy sluice
I might go back and recomplete Vegas 2
tribal cairn
I couldn't find the other ones
icy sluice
Oh yeah, most of the Rainbow 6 games are on steam...
By the way, this is something for #general I have no problem continuing there.
sudden siren
My wishlist for BFV, at least for medic, is the Bechowiec, Blyskawica, MAB38, the M38, the Coender's, and the grease gun
icy sluice
I assume that's a typo
But yeah, I somehwo forgot about the Grease Gun, I hope to see it
stone plaza
i have so many favourite BF1 guns
for different reasons
if i had to pick only one i have to agree with kht
AL8 .35 is the most fun i've ever had shooting things in a BF game
really mad DPS and forced a hit and run playstyle
but besides that
burton is really fun bc insane DPS and 1vX potential if your aim is on
Ribeyrolles is just really solid and gives assault good firepower on the more open maps
i really like 1900 slug
RSC SMG is fun in TDM
RSC 1917 is just really good to use when your aim is on, 1895 Trench too
ross marksman for harscoping, arisaka patrol for strafing
huot for long range 1vX
solid hinge
tfw you fucking 1 v 4 the final firestorm squad and you hit the last dude 3 times with slugs and he has enough time to turn and spray you to death with the mp40
stone plaza
man bf1 is so fun and im so glad it's still active (EU PC)
solid hinge
i landed a fucking v1 on their camping spot and it did fucking peanuts to them
200 damage between 4 people directly on top of them
I can't handle this damn shit being so inconsistent
on the other hand the pink fg42 rules
icy sluice
Was that the Dogtags question?
orchid shore
Honestly, I wished that the epic uniforms and weapon skins are unlocked via tides of war progression
orchid shore
I mean like from the armory shop?
zealous void
Well it'd be weird to be able to buy something you can earn as part of a progression tree
So stuff like AKA is exclusive to progression
We should be able to CC purchase all tho
icy sluice
I wonder what Chapter 4's cosmetics will look like. Chapter 3's was all fire and ash
zealous void
Very varied
orchid shore
probably ocean theme
orchid shore
but
zealous void
orchid shore
I mean unless we get SAS and British uniforms
compact oxide
@royal fox thanks man!
orchid shore
that red beret though
compact oxide
I'm pretty proud of it, the 1906 seems to work best on Achi Baba for me
zealous void
It's all on land
royal fox
achi baba? somehow I remember having luck on amiens with it for some reason
compact oxide
I mean it could on Amiens, but I spend more time in the corridors so you need more bulletsv
round umbra
@zealous void I like your profile pic can you tell me where its from lol
solid hinge
o boi yes thanki say
unique crater
Man’s just chilling but Uncle Sam wants action!
zealous void
yeah
sudden siren
It's in COD WWII and I had an... Unhealthy love for that gun
I love it so much
Overwhelmingly my most used weapon
By like leeeeagues
icy sluice
By the way, trailer kinda confirmed custom emblems
solid hinge
icy sluice
There's a golden spade with a big number 2 on it on the side of a M1928A2
Well back of it really
solid hinge
What?
zealous void
I mean for what @icy sluice
solid hinge
Ahh
zealous void
Wouldn't've tagged you if I could type your whole name easy lol
solid hinge
zealous void
@solid hinge i dont know how to help but I'm sure someone can 😦
zealous void
They do
solid hinge
I dunno now they build stuff slower
zealous void
That's how they work lol
solid hinge
And airfields you got your wish
zealous void
You changed combat roles
solid hinge
I know lol
icy sluice
No, combat roles don't do anything
zealous void
Yeah, they do tho
icy sluice
I still build really fast
solid hinge
What I'm saying is that they used to build much more faster
zealous void
Ahh
icy sluice
Not in relation to building, the only thing it changes is repairing
solid hinge
must be a placebo
solid hinge
oh well
solid hinge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
zealous void
yeah
solid hinge
Dude i want all these new maps like NOW
Like
its a map a month tho
not bad for content
Like
zealous void
I'm looking through the first one now
solid hinge
that was done in BF1
zealous void
the radar 😩
solid hinge
And now its like 5 maps all together in like 3 months
solid hinge
And a new theater of war!
zealous void
well 2 for incursions
solid hinge
This is awesome!
zealous void
then that yeah
solid hinge
didin't bf1 have no maps for 5 months
stoic breach
Thats what happens when a battlefield game is made in 2 years
solid hinge
It's relatively the same as the singleplayer version
@zealous void you got youtube?
the germans use the airbase as deployment
the british use the far side of that
zealous void
@solid hinge got it? yeah I do it if that's what you mean
I don't think I can or should link hehre
but it's on my profile or whatever
solid hinge
No like a account
zealous void
yeah
solid hinge
And you know what?
zealous void
🤔
zealous void
yeah
solid hinge
Idk how they do they things they do
zealous void
OPENING FIRE HERE
icy sluice
They do rigorous exercises while giving lines
icy sluice
Yeah there's a "in the making of" video of it
zealous void
Yeah they literally lift weights, jump ,etc
they dont just sit n scream
they make themselves scream
icy sluice
solid hinge
REEEEEEEEE
icy sluice
Just say Raptor
zealous void
No I'm gonna say rungss
solid hinge
Can i just call you hans?
icy sluice
I'm having fun with the Krag, even though it's glitched.
stoic breach
bro your part of the leaf clan
solid hinge
Dude flare gun be glitches
It doesn't show the ammo count and will some times only shoot 1 flare
jagged nexus
well, pretty easy for me to understand, what they saying in the vid
icy sluice
I have yet to experience that
cinder sundial
Mercury is a bad map, you can't change my mind.
stoic breach
zealous void
It's very fun on breakthrough. a healthy mix of verticality, open and closed spaces, etc
stoic breach
sector 1 on breakthrough just sucks if the attacking team isnt coordinated
and i play on console so nobody is ever coordinated
placid imp
Hey y’all I’m looking for an active platoon for BFV and was wandering if there are any available ?
I’m on xbox
stoic breach
!lfg
junior mistBOT
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#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation
stoic breach
@placid imp
placid imp
Yes ? @stoic breach
stoic breach
go to the xbox lfg channel and ask for a clan or something
placid imp
What’s that channel ?
rain fiber
my heart just fucking stopped when I heard the garand at the end of the new trailer
frozen holly
New trailer where ?
placid imp
Does that come out tomorrow ?
rain fiber
idk
5 maps, guns, and a bunch of other stuff
plus a metro reboot and the Pacific front further down the line
placid imp
Ooh can’t wait for the pacific theater
stoic breach
Honestly if BFV had waited until the end of 2019 to release
rain fiber
yeah
stoic breach
We could've had one new map a month
rain fiber
they lost most of the players early on and probably won't win them back, no matter what they do.
frozen holly
That was amazing
rain fiber
Yeah
drifting marsh
@rain fiber the gun was already shown when the usa soldier used it 
drifting marsh
rain fiber
I was too busy looking at the large scale battle happening in the background to notice the specific gun he was holding
drifting marsh
yeah
rain fiber
this may be the first ea play I actually watch live
solid hinge
I hope that the pacific maps aren't linear and are more in vein of the bf1942 iterations
As in, have maps which are full islands
instead of just maybe a beachfront
late hollow
when normandy happens, I garuntee it'll be beachfront
solid hinge
Oh yeah normandy is just a beachfront with a farmland part
but I expect full island maps
for pacific
late hollow
but the pacific? nah, DICE will probs push the frostbite to it's limits like it did bEAttlefront II (it's earned the B back)
solid hinge
in the trailer of io jima it showed the island as massive
late hollow
I haven't a doubt that we won't get at least one map like the ones in 1942
but if DICE goes to the Guadalcanal? then I personally think that their should be an island map, and a map where they're in new guinea
late hollow
everyone's thinking about my country so much that they forgot that Australia could be a possibility
solid hinge
the thing I'm scared about is that the maps will be contained
late hollow
ANZAC's could legit be put in as a new faction at this point, and they should
solid hinge
alot of newer maps are very contained and they portray other setpieces
late hollow
well, it all falls on how the frostbite engine will hold up
solid hinge
instead of having a full map where the players can do things like faciliate an invasion instead of having background scenery make it look like one is going on
late hollow
BF1's naval map was nice, DICE has pretty much put their feet in the water with that one
solid hinge
Maybe it's a test bed for what's to come in BFV
the BF1 battleships might be overhauled in BFV to be actual spawn points
late hollow
eh
I don't think battleships should return
because if battleships come back
then the wehraboos will be like MUH BISMARK
solid hinge
lmao
late hollow
or even worse, MUH IOWA, MUH YAMATO, MUH BRITISH NAVY
solid hinge
I mean I dunno lol
late hollow
muh soviet battleships
solid hinge
I think they're a pretty usefull thing for the pacific theater
late hollow
it'd be easier for DICE to do destroyers and PT Boats again, and keep larger ships into their own mode?
solid hinge
Oh yeah by large ships I mean destroyers
late hollow
after all they seem to love testing modes
solid hinge
battleships can come back as special call ins / behemoths
solid hinge
like, not in the traditional behemoth sense
late hollow
WAKE ISLAND
solid hinge
that needs to be in
I was thinking of battleships as one for each team at the start of the round
late hollow
I only played wake island for 10 minutes in a BF 1943 trial on PS3, I just had to say wake island
solid hinge
I played it in BF1942 and BF2
assaulting the airfield in BF2 wake island is fucking fun
late hollow
when I had BF2 back when people gave it out for free; I played on wake aswell
jets kept killing me
solid hinge
planes were really dominant in BF1942
late hollow
because skill gap
solid hinge
and BF2
yeah
I also got in at a similar time
had you played back in the day they would have been easier to deal with probably
late hollow
I'm just a kid who got into the franchise with a 10 minute free trial of 1943; then forgot about BF3 and got BF4 for christmas
solid hinge
I was someone who remembers seeing BF4 and wanting to get it for PC but only gettting into planetside 2
until last year I finally got BF4 (tried the open beta for BF1 2 years earlier too)
It was fine but the skill gap made it hard to enjoy
late hollow
BF4 on console was what got me hooked
solid hinge
On the subject of the pacific theater I want boats to be boardable
and you can deploy landing craft from them
lucid relic
When I played Bf4 I don't think I knew what life was
solid hinge
like BF1942
lucid relic
image if they put pacific storm in the game
late hollow
and mu1sck
if the cross platform rumors are true, not even PSN can save us from them
solid hinge
oh no lol
late hollow
and they'd have a field day on a spawn carrier..
solid hinge
PC users can't go cross platform
lucid relic
honestly would it be fair
solid hinge
PC users are too powerful
late hollow
we do have aim assist on console
solid hinge
it's just a whole different meta I think
lucid relic
I will admit when im flying a plane I use a controller cuase im bad
solid hinge
in console I think you guys deal with MMG campers right?
late hollow
yes
midnight nimbus
console FPS 😂
late hollow
we throw nade's into their building
solid hinge
on PC we don't really care much about MMGs and deal with snipers more
late hollow
or we cheese them with a shotgun
opaque cipher
Console anything that requires fast reactions 
solid hinge
so that's why I keep hearing about 'mmg campers' when I don't really see them on PC
they're all on console
opaque cipher
Because people like to complain
late hollow
some people are bad enough at the game
that they can't comprehend the golden rule of battlefield
late hollow
this isn't COD, prepare for threats that you're not used to seeing in a regular FPS, everything can kill you
solid hinge
Yeah that's a thing with battlefield
DICE listens to the people who complain too much and as a result we loose cool features
they've stopped now but
late hollow
being a guy who has flashbang through the door soap glued into my head, I regularly throw frags into buildings when I'm at the enemy line, thats stopped many MMG campers
solid hinge
I think in the past we've had stuff like destructible bridges but people complained that they couldn't drive over them with tanks and so all bridges were indestructible for BF3 and BF4
late hollow
my issue lies with the people who run into buildings or corners, and sit there the entire round
solid hinge
(of course now we have them back)
icy sluice
Oh yeah, I beat the IW record
stone plaza
too much destruction ruins map flow
late hollow
then dragon valley came back, you could repair them
late hollow
we need destruction like flood zone had..
stone plaza
strategic
solid hinge
you can easily turn the tides of a game
late hollow
flood zone was perfect when it came to map changing destruction
solid hinge
strategic
icy sluice
I choose both
stone plaza
play a real mode
solid hinge
Wasn't conquest better in the older games lol
you know that
it flows much more better
icy sluice
Pretty much the same
stone plaza
it always sucked it was just the only mode
midnight nimbus
the maps are good in older games
late hollow
only issue was everyone and their mother knew how to trigger levolution and it got old
midnight nimbus
doesn't make it a good mode
stone plaza
run around and cap half
solid hinge
I mean
when i played BF2 my team actually progressed and there was rarely any backcapping
stone plaza
you really act like a stuck up know it all
solid hinge
because cap times were slow
stone plaza
The only people who play Bf2 nowadays are prettyplay boomers
stone plaza
back when BF2 was actually active in the mid 2000s it was literally just a bad version of BF3/4
you pretend to know far more than you actually do
you didn’t play these games at their prime
The only people still playing BF2 are boomers bound to an honour code of no back capping
because breakthrough doesn’t exist
the infantry experience was and still is TERRIBLE
so
late hollow
I played totally legal copies of BF2 last year, and I was sniped from spots I didn't even know you could acess lol
midnight nimbus
I like how BF2 gives you 5 nades though :/
soft storm
Different times
late hollow
lol
midnight nimbus
instead of one nade that kinda sucks
midnight nimbus
at least give 1-2 BFH nades that were like mini nukes
late hollow
the closest to a BF2 experiance I've had this year was forgotten hope 2
stone plaza
BF3 karkand was better
Bc they removed the back flags to make back caps less cancerous
No fog
And BF3 is a good video game
solid hinge
no arty spam especially
stone plaza
The pace is too fast for most boomers minds though so they complained
I don’t mean to gatekeep but please
if your only experience of BF2 is from this decade
Please don’t act like you know much about it
it’s a valid complaint
things aren’t the same at all
solid hinge
Fair enough I just think that some of it's mechanics are fine
late hollow
my knowledge of BF2 is has ai v ai mode, cool mods, and multiplayer = get destroyed in massive skill-gap
stone plaza
everything that was removed/changed for BF3 was done for the better
SKILL GAP LOL
infantry was RNG as fuck
insanely high base spread
late hollow
DEAR GOD
stone plaza
dolphin diving everywhere
solid hinge
fuck dolphin diving
late hollow
DON'T TALK ABOUT THE DAMN M16
solid hinge
in the later games the prone animation is much more smooth so you won't see people do it
stone plaza
BF2 isn’t a fun game
solid hinge
but one thing I noticed in BF2 was that the prone animation was very instant
hence, dolphin diving
stone plaza
yeah because the people who designed BF2 aren’t very smart
late hollow
was it the special forces class?
stone plaza
and didn’t know how to make fun infantry
solid hinge
Not that, they had absolutely zero experience and no basis to start from
midnight nimbus
it's a good vehicle game
solid hinge
same with BF1942
solid hinge
that game sucks because all they had was CS and quake to make a combined arms shooter
stone plaza
which are fun infantry games
bruh the vehicle play isn’t the problem
it’s the fact that soldiering is shit
anyway I don’t know how or why anyone would defend BF2 in 2019 unless they wanted to be contrarian or they were really an old fucking boomer whose hands are too slow to play the new games
solid hinge
I'm not saying that I'm saying that it's the first combined arms game to exist for the mass market (save flashpoint) and so they didn't have any basis to start from
stone plaza
BF2 apologists come off as reeeeeally pretentious for all the wrong reasons bc deep down they know they’re just doing it to be contrarian
late hollow
only BF2 thing I'll try to defend is FH2, since I had fun with it
stone plaza
yeah there’s a reason we moved on from bad games
BF3 is the first real fun battlefield game
And BF1 was the last
BFV is too boomed
late hollow
how so?
solid hinge
because it has tank resupply and attrition
late hollow
I for one found BFV to be fun
stone plaza
Don’t answer for me
solid hinge
anyone wanna play prop hunt
late hollow
I just saw extra challenge being added to the game with attrition and re-suplying
midnight nimbus
there's making a slower game and making a tedious game
solid hinge
The same shit exists in rising storm and nobody complains
stone plaza
Slower games where there’s no thinking depth added to justify the slower speed are not fun
Rising storm is not Battlefield
late hollow
only issue is that people don't re-supply
stone plaza
You cannot compare TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAMES
solid hinge
alright fair
stone plaza
Battlefield is not and never was a mil sim
late hollow
and when people do resupply, they're one out of five who do
late hollow
tell everyone who went REEE mode on the reveal trailer that ROZE
stone plaza
Gameplay =/= aesthetic
short shell
Battlefield was what happened when they decided to make call of duty and arma have a baby
late hollow
we'd be in a different situation with the game that if people understood the franchise more
compact oxide
Battlefield is the best milsim though
stone plaza
For what it’s worth I think BFV’s overall aesthetic is fucking stupid but that’s irrelevant
compact oxide
Most realistic game out
stone plaza
BF1 has soul
solid hinge
I get your points but I think you need to chill
stone plaza
BFV really... doesn’t
stone plaza
don’t tell me to chill when you’re trying to answer my arguments for me @solid hinge
solid hinge
BF1 had good asthetic
short shell
Guys
late hollow
a war that is underlooked in the public eye
stone plaza
I don’t think you have any right to tell me what to do any more than you have the right to answer what people are asking me
but yeah
late hollow
they had to honor it
short shell
Its really if you like WW2 or WW1 more
stone plaza
well BF1 was a passion project
late hollow
WWII has so much about it that BFV wouldn't really have any effect on how people see it
stone plaza
BF1 succeeds as a video game and as a passion project
BFV seems like it was made without that level of love
late hollow
the war-stories wheren't all great
solid hinge
I think both do well and do bad in different areas
late hollow
^
short shell
Battlefield's campaigns were never great
solid hinge
BF1 does excellent in asthetics and bad in gameplay
short shell
lol
late hollow
BFV's best story decision imo was the last tiger
stone plaza
what’s wrong with BF1 gameplay?
stone plaza
BFV weakens the individual to an unreasonable extent
Strong individuals make strong teams
It’s why BF3 was so good
The individual was so strong
icy sluice
Indirect fire
stone plaza
Indirect fire is a necessity
short shell
5 year olds playing fortnite and not so little kids playing PubG
late hollow
to me BF1 seemed more machine gun and shotgun based, thus why I didn't play it for a while
stone plaza
MMG and Boys wouldn’t be a “problem” with mortars
short shell
kinda whats happening here
stone plaza
Shotguns are bad in BF1
late hollow
plus the mortars...
icy sluice
Shotguns in BF1 didn't even have penetration
stone plaza
Again, mortars are necessary
short shell
but the kids are replaced with our perspective on games
solid hinge
I never liked the elite classes, behemoths feel too gimmicky and do nothing to help the loosing team, you just run around and shoot, there's no depth of gameplay or any sort of meta that's followed with the exception of certain weapons, conquest is the same run and run parade we've had since BF3, grenade spam, mortar spam
stone plaza
and BF4 mortars were cheesier
solid hinge
I like the idea of giant warships but they don't do jack shit
late hollow
ESPECIALLY on the italian maps
compact oxide
Oh bf1 did have a lot of gimmicks that sucked, but it's so much more fun
stone plaza
Let’s not pretend that isn’t the case in every game
late hollow
it was carnage
solid hinge
conquest is the only alive gamemode in BF1 though
compact oxide
Bfv is just annoying crap imo
icy sluice
Indirect fire ended up being a skill-less crutch
stone plaza
bro I play TDM and rush every day, EU PC
late hollow
wherever that airship went, death followed
solid hinge
I'm in the US
stone plaza
East coast?
solid hinge
yep
solid hinge
i'll check out shock operations in the EU
stone plaza
I don’t struggle
It’s worthwhile
Play modes that aren’t conquest
Me and kht120 have hundreds of hours in 24-player modes alone
mostly Dom
icy sluice
Operations, while the mode is nice, the way progressing into the other maps really sucked
Sinai was probably the least played Operations map
stone plaza
yeah standalone on all maps would have been nice
stone plaza
Weapon imbalance?
compact oxide
SMG 08 
solid hinge
hellriegel spam
late hollow
BFV needs the tone to be set if DICE wants to give us something good
stone plaza
I wrote the doc on the state of weapon balance in BF1 and pushed for the current balance on bf_live
compact oxide
Noob crutches
icy sluice
Sweet Spots
stone plaza
Do enlighten me
late hollow
you guys are cute, thompson anihilator gang where you at?
stone plaza
hellriegel isn’t even good
compact oxide
Thompson is balanced
stone plaza
RBD
icy sluice
Ironically, bipoded lmgs still had RBS
stone plaza
sniper rifles have 0 base spread
icy sluice
M1919 Optical was a pain to use because of the spread
solid hinge
Hmm
stone plaza
this man is delusional
solid hinge
must be my shit aim
stone plaza
Get him to the infirmary
Yeah, it’s your shit aim.
Problem in chair not in computer
Sorry man
late hollow
to me, snipers in BF1 had no bullet drop
icy sluice
Yeah Suppression sucked major ass
If a man with an lmg fired anywhere near me I can't fire back
compact oxide
Just need to use guns like the 1906 factory and general liu
opaque cipher
Suppression denied any chance to hit with a bolt action
compact oxide
Never stop moving in bf1
icy sluice
Yeah, just move and get that shot in
compact oxide
Carry smokes for point capture
icy sluice
The counter play to suppression is literally run away
stone plaza
Move
late hollow
Smoke has always been useful
stone plaza
Moving is useful
late hollow
people just never used it
icy sluice
Nope
solid hinge
@late hollow speaking of FH2 there was a secret weapons add on which had a giant tank or some shit on one of the maps
compact oxide
It sucks you don't get smokes on all classes in bfv
late hollow
and instead took to throwing fire at one-another
stone plaza
Suppression never fucks my 1v1s because I know how to play around it
icy sluice
Then they keep firing at you because they are an infinite ammo support
stone plaza
It doesn’t affect base spread outside of BAs in BF1 so just shoot slower
opaque cipher
You had some bad supports to play against
icy sluice
They know where you're at because spotting.
stone plaza
Drop rof on medic SLRs
compact oxide
1917 telescopic 
stone plaza
Or single tap SMGs
solid hinge
I would give BF1 this
stone plaza
Spotting is great, easy way to communicate to your team where enemies are
solid hinge
it feels visually fucking great
stone plaza
What’s wrong with information?
compact oxide
Medic guns were freaking great in bf1
stone plaza
BF1 is a mechanically sound game
late hollow
sound?
icy sluice
It ended up beign a mash the spot button game
stone plaza
that’s why spotting should be passive
when you hold your mouse over an enemy lonf enough
removes the Q press
icy sluice
Spotting is mostly non existant in V, which I love.
solid hinge
I like BFV's method of having call ins / classes do spotting though
stone plaza
Q press = I think there’s an enemy here
late hollow
Battlefield 1 has the screams of dying men being actively drowned out by the sounds of gunfire
solid hinge
it's kinda cool scoring points for shit like that
late hollow
the problem with spotting though, was people spammed the button
icy sluice
Double Tap spot should do that, as holding it down would bring up the Commo Rose
solid hinge
Yeah people spam that shit too much
late hollow
and then you just had the entire team shooting at orange pings for the whole game
solid hinge
it works in practice but having stuff like that means that everyone unnaturally knows where you are all the time
late hollow
it looked like battlefront II with all the tracers and bullets
solid hinge
and it also clutters the hud
icy sluice
Yeah and you can sometimes shoot through smoke because you were still spotted
late hollow
yup
solid hinge
not at all visually pleasing in BF3 and BF4
midnight nimbus
BF4 HUD 🤤
late hollow
if DICE re-adds the old spotting system, they should instead have it effect the area closer to you, instead of it coming up from across the map
midnight nimbus
with max tryhard config 😩
solid hinge
in BF1 they made a concious effort to enhance soldier design so that you can see them with your eyes instead of having to spot them
icy sluice
V has a good spotting thing when it comes to planes, soldiers on the ground and in a group will have giant markers on their head.
midnight nimbus
spotting does have range limits in previous games
it's a cone
with min and max range
solid hinge
Well yeah sure there's a max distance
late hollow
BFV relys on sound
solid hinge
but that distance far outweighs most engagement distances
late hollow
almost like they wanted to try being like rainbow six
solid hinge
the limit is like 1200 meters
midnight nimbus
don't see why that's a problem
solid hinge
It should be like, 100
icy sluice
Also, one thing about spotting is that you can just 100% track them even behind a giant rock.
midnight nimbus
you want spotting to be longer than engagement ranges
solid hinge
engagement distances are 100 or lower