yes
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
👀 👀 👀 👀 👀
jovial forge
There will never be true balance, though Id say avoid BF4 levels of copypaste weapons
prime pine
I do like playing with impact grenades and AT mines
bleak marlin
who here can't wait for the Rising Sun ?
prime pine
Ohhhh yeah mike. Thats the thing with bf4. Sure lotsa weapons but blah.
bleak marlin
I Shall Die for the Empire
midnight nimbus
the most successful games don't have a ton of options
plain temple
Runescape
solid hinge
I would say if they're going with BF3 / BF4 options then make it so that certain combos are restricted
plain temple
@solid hinge new controller bro?
solid hinge
Say, an assault rifle with a rocket launcher is too overpowered
plain temple
America
jovial forge
To late BFV does that already
solid hinge
Nice
plain temple
Bi t ch
solid hinge
archetypes could have worked
After a half year
ripperino
New Africa map is the only good Africa map
jovial forge
This is why I miss Engineers
solid hinge
New Africa map is basically mercury but a little bit warmer tbh
And more buildings
More modern than those Ruins with a Million Boys camper
plain temple
Alien they all die
midnight nimbus
BFV assault > BF4 engineer
the latter is a chore to play
the former is actually fun
you play BF4 engineer to just kill a vehicle then redeploy
solid hinge
Oh shit you reminded me of 'mass engineer syndrome'
prime pine
With the classes
midnight nimbus
assault is actually fun
prime pine
Assault feels like actual assault.
solid hinge
BFV has the same but it's toned down as 'mass assault syndrome'
prime pine
Medics are medics and support repairs!
midnight nimbus
why do you think the comp meta was engineer RPG -> redeploy
jovial forge
By removing the engineers. They inadvertently boosted Assault zerging cus they got all the anti everything
plain temple
Support is engineer
solid hinge
^^
plain temple
prime pine
Medic is sorta assault nowadays
solid hinge
Why not make an anti-tank class with SMGs then?
midnight nimbus
give medics ARs and you'll see less assault spam
solid hinge
has all of the anti-tank toys
plain temple
N o
jovial forge
literally nothing different between the Support n Engineer
midnight nimbus
and uh actually distribute AT tools properly
plain temple
Give medic assault rifles
jovial forge
True engineer had anti vehicle assets
plain temple
At grenade rifle
ruby bolt
Is the commando carbine worth using? I don't get it
solid hinge
Nuke Launcher
From Fallout 4
Excited and not excited at the same time for new smg
Which?
midnight nimbus
who cares about MAB38
solid hinge
genuine anti vehicle gadget for medic pls not just a grenade launcher attachment on a gun
midnight nimbus
just use Suomi
jovial forge
Medics honestly could of gotten Carbines with smgs being a all kit class gun
solid hinge
Excited because it looks good and not excited because everyone will be using it and there will be so many medics that won't revive
prime pine
WAIT
rotund sentinel
Insane ping anyone?
prime pine
so
solid hinge
I care
solid hinge
Suomi is for pussies
midnight nimbus
Suomi is good at SMGing
plain temple
Fuck off dave
midnight nimbus
I'm not gonna pick a SMG that's not good at SMG things
plain temple
Suomi is for chads
solid hinge
I wonder if vehicle play sucks in battlefield because everyone has an anti-tank gadget
midnight nimbus
no
midnight nimbus
BF4 had 3/4 classes with AT abilities
great vehicle play
vehicle play is bad bc of the lack of interesting counterplay
solid hinge
Who’s ready for anime elite player
solid hinge
I'm gonna snag the trumpet name
solid hinge
I like to be able to aim with guns
midnight nimbus
medic needs AT pistol and grenade launcher
solid hinge
Suomi can't aim
midnight nimbus
support needs to be able to lay down tons more mines
prime pine
I like going Hyper offensive with the suomi
solid hinge
we need archetypes with a proper anti-tank sub class
prime pine
Hip fire them fucker
midnight nimbus
zoomi 😍
solid hinge
problem solved
midnight nimbus
idt archetypes are necessary
prime pine
Hmm
midnight nimbus
just redistribution of gadgets
plain temple
@solid hinge suomi can
solid hinge
no because the original game was completely based off of it
prime pine
Today the new chapter week is out
plain temple
You just have to get the specs and control your aim
solid hinge
now that dice removed it you have all of these unbalances
midnight nimbus
lol its not like combat roles made the game balanced
solid hinge
if your game runs on a system which is currently removed then it's going to not work
I keep seeing videos of people with amazing aim with suomi but I can't do it
combat roles are neutered archetypes lmao
plain temple
@solid hinge controlled aim and fuckin specs
midnight nimbus
BFV wasn't designed around archetypes anyways
prime pine
Its thursday here. 19 hours left haha.
solid hinge
It literally was in the beta and alpha
SxhfshkscGKXgizcgc
archetypes were removed as a last feature
prime pine
Hip fire with the suomi
midnight nimbus
doesn't make them a central design
solid hinge
Except they were?
crystal silo
did dice bring back duos in firestorm?
solid hinge
Do you have any word of DICE saying that
midnight nimbus
😉 talk to the right people
solid hinge
oh right because you don't
Eitherways that system was gutted and it might come back in BF6
but it balanced the classes well
plain temple
They removed duos in firestorm because it wasn't popular
midnight nimbus
the original combat role design doesn't do anything the current system doesn't
it's fine
midnight nimbus
cite a problem that it actually fixes
solid hinge
Let me explain with the assault archetypes first off
So essentially you divide classes into different subclasses with strenghts and weaknesses
these different subclasses would cater to different playstyles but they all have drawbacks
solid hinge
for assault specifically you have light infantry, which can use assault rifles / semi autos and grenade launchers
anti-tank would have carbines and machine pistols with rocket launchers
and rifleman would be mid ranged combat
midnight nimbus
anti tank archetype is the logical extension of BF4 engineer in the worst possible way
solid hinge
??
midnight nimbus
it's literally empty rockets -> redeploy -> repeat until tank is dead
solid hinge
yes that's the entire point because now we have an assault class with an anti-tank and an assault rifle
midnight nimbus
epic one dimensional design
stone plaza
wow now your character can only do one thing and once the tanks are gone you should redeploy
graceful prairie
i dont get it will that be added in future patches?
stone plaza
epic
i love only being able to to one thing in a multiplayer game
and then being forced to switch
midnight nimbus
think about how few medics there are on Hamada and apply it to an entire game
that's what archetypes were
jovial forge
id rather had egineers with rockets then assaults with rockets, dynamite, at mines, nade laucher and a AR.
plain temple
What
solid hinge
yes you're going from the perspective that every class should have everything
midnight nimbus
no
gray totem
is the mp28 worth using?
midnight nimbus
but every class should be able to contribute to some extent
otherwise once you finish your job, you sit around with your thumb in your ass until you have something to do again
stone plaza
every class should be able to approach every problem through different methods
that's interesting game design
midnight nimbus
see: AA tanks rn
solid hinge
Except they do?
stone plaza
once all the enemy air is dead, what do you do?
fly around and do nothing
or jump out and back cap
solid hinge
Can you let me fucking speak
main grove
I mean I've gotten somewhat good at strafing run infantry in a fighter plane
But you leave yourself exposed to being tailed
solid hinge
I would assume DICE would have a mechanic where you can switch archetypes using the resupply stations
that would be a cool mechanic
main grove
And once someone is on your back and If they're decent it's just a matter of how long can you last
solid hinge
but not switch classes
and for planes you can have a mechanic where you fly back to base and redeploy as infantry while saving the plane for later use
main grove
I kinda feel like they need more gadgets for most classes
stone plaza
hey i have a great idae
i'll just put mines all over the airfield
when you try to land
stone plaza
imagine forcing people to go to a specific place to play the game
sounds like attrition
yeah, hence why airfields are bad design
solid hinge
?
stone plaza
airfields accomplish nothing that in-flight spawn already achieves
solid hinge
nobody's talking about airfields
stone plaza
"and for planes you can have a mechanic where you fly back to base and redeploy as infantry while saving the plane for later use"
main grove
Every time I spawn in the airfield I immediatly get out and clear the path before hopping back in my plane
stone plaza
so you want the plane to just disappear out of the sky? great way to end dogfights
solid hinge
I didin't say airfields in that sentence
stone plaza
i'll be sure to use that every single time someone tails me
unless you want them to land
solid hinge
also planes reappear somewhere in the sky so unless you're fine with that
stone plaza
"reappear"
solid hinge
You're being very aggressive
stone plaza
no, they spawn in for the first time
hardly
you just have very flawed arguments that come from insufficient knowledge of how to design a good multiplayer game
your idea would be great in a PvE game
since it would let you be versatile
however it has flaws when taking into account dogfights in multiplayer
stone plaza
well battlefield is being deisgned by PvE guys it seems
see: attrition
see: conquest
solid hinge
You're saying that those mechanics are bad
many games allready have stuff like attrition and conquest
they're not PVE specific
main grove
Attrition was a system that was intended to make supports more useful but the only attrition you feel cannot be remedied by supports
solid hinge
You're simply favoring one method over the other
main grove
that is vehicle and gadget ammo
solid hinge
that's all you're doing
stone plaza
name me one good multiplayer FPS with extremely limited resources to the extent of BFV
no resource/health regen in a game with respawns = REDEPLOY
solid hinge
Battlefield 2, Rising Storm 2, Squad
stone plaza
battlefield 2 is not a good game
solid hinge
Planetside 2 to an extent
main grove
BF5 hasn't got extremely limited resources
stone plaza
RS2 and Squad are more hard military simulation
plain temple
Halo
stone plaza
well, BF2 has terrible infantry gameplay, 5 grenades per player, a bad class setup
main grove
It just doesn't have the walking arsenal that was a BF3,4,1 Soldier
solid hinge
plenty of people liked it
stone plaza
commander mode LOL
plain temple
stone plaza
just because people like it doesn't mean it's good design
main grove
Imagine carrying like 4 disposable missile launchers
stone plaza
did you even play BF2? how old are you
plain temple
why not
solid hinge
I played it
icy sluice
I have also played it
stone plaza
tell me, how old were you when you played it
main grove
I started with Bad company 1
solid hinge
I mean I'm like 18 so I played it recently
stone plaza
I'm like 18
solid hinge
to see how they worked
icy sluice
I still have Battlefield 2 btw
stone plaza
BF2 came out when you were 4 years old
plain temple
Im like 20000 years old
solid hinge
I fail to see how that's relevant to conversation
stone plaza
holy goodness
the years have not been kind to Battlefield 2
i'm 28, i played that game for 1000+ hours
karkand 24/7
but it is not a good game today
icy sluice
It's on my desktop
solid hinge
I mean I've played Planetside 2 which IMO is relatively the same thing
stone plaza
brings back memories @icy sluice
solid hinge
Being serious
stone plaza
planetside 2 and BF2 are not comparable
icy sluice
Geometries 62% still happens!
main grove
Isn't planetside 2 dead now?
solid hinge
Still active
icy sluice
Even with a much better computer, I still get stuck at Geometries 62%
stone plaza
geometries 62% is a game issue lol
solid hinge
you can find 92+ fights on most weekends and evenings
plain temple
Whaaa
icy sluice
Also... it's really fun playing with 256 bots mayhem
stone plaza
regardless: i can't see why anyone would want to make the game less fun than it already is
solid hinge
It's a niche game
stone plaza
attrition, physicality, etc
solid hinge
Okay what about RS2
stone plaza
you spend less time playing the game
and more time performing menial resupplies and animations
icy sluice
Battlefield 2 made today would be 🔥 👌
sacred junco
I don't find it that intrusive really
stone plaza
boring
icy sluice
I mean in the style of what we have now.
stone plaza
BF2 had good maps but that's about it
icy sluice
more customization in weapon loadouts and such
solid hinge
ROZE I get your opinion but it's not like the other system is inherently flawed
icy sluice
I skipped 3 and 4 
solid hinge
they both work in similar situations
stone plaza
commander, who ever cared about commander? it's a shitty RTS where your units don't listen to you, because they care more about playing the game than listening to arbitrary orders
"work"
i mean
if your idea of working is a system where you have to complete a fetch quest after every few engagements
sure
icy sluice
Battlefield 2 you can be commander and be a soldier, so...
stone plaza
oh, and bad players don't suffer from it at all bc they die before they need to heal
and long before they run out of ammo
epic
solid hinge
if running 10 meters to a point bothers you then fine
main grove
Is BF2 free now?
marble sun
I love 4
sacred junco
value of BF2 comes from the fact mechanics themselves are kind of choresome
sacred junco
so more of the emergent properties of the game comes from coordination
icy sluice
It's not like CoD where they have it in online stores for $20 still
sacred junco
Its gone because modern BF games are a much better shooter
solid hinge
but not at all good for teamplay or squadplay
icy sluice
And CoD still sells their old games because they have not changed at all 
solid hinge
Eitherways I'm going to say this
light zenith
Guys, why does BFV have such a lack of content?
solid hinge
BF2 is just as spammy as BF3 and BF4 all the way up to 5
gray glade
It wont have lack of content for much longer
solid hinge
Karkand jesus fuck
sacred junco
because y'all are used to getting 40+ everything for 50 more dollars and nothing short of that is good enough
icy sluice
Dragon Valley
light zenith
I hope that @gray glade
icy sluice
Dragon Valley 128 bots
gray glade
the trailer we got looked pretty promising
main grove
DICE LA are now on it aren't they?
solid hinge
alot of the mec maps all focus around really clusterfucky karkand like maps which are linear
icy sluice
Both have been working on it
main grove
I do feel like BF5 will become great given some time
solid hinge
The core of BF5 is fine now
icy sluice
Currently it's great, then it would be fantastic
main grove
Most battlefields have rocky releases
solid hinge
people complain about attrition and all
icy sluice
I personally love it
solid hinge
It's really fine
gray glade
Yeah i think the mercury map was made by both dice LA and stockholm?
sturdy sleet
HELLLOOO
solid hinge
unless you're gay then you'll do fine with it
hoary condor
henlo
gray glade
henlo fren
hoary condor
why say that
icy sluice
I like actually feeling like a soldier instead of some super man healing himself with the power of just anger and heroicness
main grove
I honestly don't mind it except for vehicles but I understand that without it we'd see the return of BF1 Arty trucks and heavy bombers
solid hinge
@icy sluice Did BF2 ever give that same feeling
icy sluice
I did have to rely on the other soldiers for health and shit
solid hinge
of being a soldier instead of an ultra god with regen healing
hoary condor
Arty trucks were awful..
icy sluice
1942 had a worse situation by the way
solid hinge
1942's class design is worse
icy sluice
Medic's pouches at to REPLENISH
solid hinge
no revives also
hoary condor
squid* not squad 
solid hinge
plenty of games have it
tidal magnet
This game has HUGE balance problems
main grove
I'm downloading that RN to see what it's like
solid hinge
Like a war thunder lite of sorts?
icy sluice
Small download
ivory geyser
@solid hinge Let's not use "gay" in a negative way here, yeah?
icy sluice
It's nowhere near as complex as War Thunder because of it's age
icy sluice
But with it's feeling it feels really nice
solid hinge
Anyways use this to help with downloading and patching
BF2 is a better version honestly
icy sluice
Yeah you need to patch in that M1 Garand
stoic breach
icy sluice
It IRONICALLY didn't have it on release
light zenith
So DICE LA has taken over BFV?
hoary condor
Think it's time for Mercury later 
icy sluice
LA and Stockholm are on it I believe.
I would ask to join but you're all the way in not America
light zenith
So the game will most likely become good, and get more content? 😄
icy sluice
The game is already spectacular, just means that production is getting a speed boost
solid hinge
@icy sluice I would say that BF1942 these days is best remembered for pioneering games like Planetside, Rising Storm, and even games like War Thunder which have more in-depth vehicular combat
light zenith
Thank god
icy sluice
Right now there's more maps being worked on at once than in the history of Battlefield.
stoic breach
Well if DICE wanted BFV to be perfect what they need to do first is cut down on animations, minimise attrition and give assault rifles to medic
main grove
I just kind of wish that they'd fix a lot of the UI and economy
solid hinge
It can lose quality if they focus entirely on new maps and ignore pressing bugs.
icy sluice
@solid hinge Yeah it's not really deep but the control and feeling of vehicles felt great
solid hinge
I've been getting micro stutters randomly since last update.
icy sluice
Remember that games back then needed to have less space still because of discs
hoary condor
what gun did you see in the trailer that you are looking forward too?
icy sluice
M2 Carbine I think
stoic breach
Madsen @hoary condor
solid hinge
also not to mention it was the first ever combined arms game
stoic breach
The stats say its a 5-5BTK
icy sluice
And the amount of maps in 1942... Berlin, Stalingrad, Iwo Jima, Wake Island, Guadalcanal, El Alamein...
stoic breach
Its gonna be the AGm of the support class if the current stats stay in
hoary condor
interested too see the smg/AR
icy sluice
AGM is good
solid hinge
speaking of the sten
hoary condor
sten is good
solid hinge
should I ADS with it or hipfire
stoic breach
Argh I just wish that medics had assault rifles
hoary condor
not that great on 
icy sluice
So, I didn't pay attention to Battlefield 3's trailers at all... realized that the beginning shot of Operation Underground is a literal copy of the first reveal of Operation Metro
hoary condor
good for accuracy but not for strength
stoic breach
Cause then the De Lisle and Trombone could get buffed
icy sluice
Thankfully, flakfire noticed this
https://twitter.com/FlakfireGaming/status/1136315571308548096
stoic breach
Assault should keep Semi Autos and take SMGs
The only semi auto I still use regularly is the AGm
hoary condor
#RemoveBoys 
plain temple
This
solid hinge
I wonder if you can delegate the boys to a call in or would that be too weak
stoic breach
That would be hilariously weak
stoic breach
It would be useless
plain temple
@hoary condor i sinned earlier and got 7 kills all body shots with the Boys at
solid hinge
yeah
plain temple
My shame outweighs my pride
stoic breach
Literally just force a scope on the Boys and give it rainbow scope glint from BF1
solid hinge
Unelss you buff it so that it damages in the same way a rocket launcher does
stoic breach
Instant balance
solid hinge
Boys snipers get punished hard because they're sniper fodder.
hoary condor
i love it, it's easy kills 
stoic breach
They're only "overpowered" if you cant see them
If you force a scope on them you can always see their scope glint
hoary condor
i tend to scout the area..
stoic breach
And if its rainbow that makes it the sweet spot glint from BF1
hoary condor
nobody misses my scope
stoic breach
Thats good if you're a good sniper
But it stops people complaining when they die, and overall just balances the gun
solid hinge
Still looking for more pistol carbines for the Recon.
hoary condor
i am
stoic breach
OHK weapons arent always OP
plain temple
Ching
scenic beacon
kraber op if you can git gud
stoic breach
Haha yeah I got good
hoary condor
GG
plain temple
Po8 carbine is for chads
stoic breach
P08 is still underpowered imo
Why not make it 450rpm so it can compete with M1A1
Same damage model
solid hinge
Because it's a 3 hit kill under 10 metres
plain temple
Yeah
stoic breach
Not like it can outsnipe the G43 even after having an rpm buff
Yeah
They just makes it ghetto smg level
plain temple
But it has rapid fire
stoic breach
No it wouldn't
If its 3 hit at 10m thats already faster than the Model 8 at the same range
Even beats shotguns if some of the pellets miss
ruby tangle
just watched the new trailer and almost fell of my chair wtf
stoic breach
Yeah its a good trailer
stoic breach
Honestly thought I could've taken a weapon/class rebalance trailer or section of trailer as well
stoic breach
Doesnt matter too much
stoic breach
Pacific in mid/late September
ruby tangle
and there is a ww2 operation metro 
stoic breach
Depending on how the ToW chapters work
scenic beacon
WELROD
stoic breach
Provence and Halvoy
I forgot the actual name
But its just Halvoy assests which I dont mind
gray glade
lofoten?
stoic breach
Yeah
stoic breach
Honestly recycling assets doesnt bother me at all if they can create entirely new experiences
plain temple
Cool and good
stoic breach
Like if they took parts of Aerodrome to create a CQB map
More power to them, I'd actually enjoy Aerodrome
pulsar valve
PING
stoic breach
Zing
plain temple
PING
gray glade
SHRING
plain temple
...
solid hinge
there are similar trailers and base assets
plain temple
solid hinge
not at all a surprise not sure why people care so much
plain temple
Shut up coward and be optimistic for once
minor moon
That trailer has reinvigorated my interest in Battlefield V
solid hinge
that's not bad at all
plain temple
solid hinge
I mean BFV's rotterdam looks similar to Amiens in terms of architecture because most 20th century cities looked like that and had similar floor plans
stoic breach
Rotterdam is in need of a redesign
solid hinge
In BF4 and BF3 you have the same base assets because I dunno, the US military keeps the same plans when they build new FOBs
aint no surprise
scenic beacon
some of the rooms don't feel like rooms that would ever be used, they feel too empty, its like they're just added in as an afterthought
stoic breach
Imagine getting run over by an automatic map asset 
minor moon
Would Mussolini make them run on time?!
solid hinge
Going from station to station awkwardly standing next to your enemy waiting for the doors to open so you can get off at your stop
plain temple
gang beasts
gray glade
lol
minor moon
Or, deploying MG42's in the windows and doing drive bys
gray glade
i would buy BF gang beasts in a heart beat
solid hinge
ever played TF2 of half life deathmatch lmao
plain temple
This is me, going on the train back to target to rewipe my ass
solid hinge
those maps had trains which could run you over
When going up the escalators you have to stand to one side to let the people in a hurry go up
lmao I remember making maps and I would think of adding them
minor moon
There was that train that wrecked shit in BF4
solid hinge
in reality though they don't work for Battlefield
minor moon
On one of those China Rising maps
solid hinge
Always stand on the left side when going up the elevators
minor moon
Escalators
solid hinge
also no why would trains work at all when there's a battle going on in the city
minor moon
This is Battefield, tactical trains
solid hinge
it could be cool but it's weird
Armoured trains
in rotterdam it could work lmao
would solve campers
minor moon
Just run some poor German paratrooper bastard over
plain temple
Me and the enemy seamus watching eachother from another carriage
minor moon
He lands on the bridge and gets flattened immediately
plain temple
Waiting for the train to stop
minor moon
It's our battle bus
solid hinge
in the rotterdam blog intro it said that all major trains were stopped for the city
stoic breach
I'm pretty sure the Germans captured trams in the actual battle of rotterdam
Or something
plain temple
Reinforced train time 
solid hinge
as I said
And it's gimmicky
I can see a map where you have to push a train through a valley as an army
and it's a war train
Image though. You're on the train in the metro. All teams just awkwardly standing there. The announcer says next stop: Piccadilly Circus Station. Please stand out of the way of the doors. Do not leave any belongings behind.
there was a forgotten hope map like that
plain temple
Careful of the step
stoic breach
Remember the BF1 Armoured Train 
stoic breach
We have a rolling hitbox enroute
minor moon
I loved that map, only so I can recreate my WW1 fantasy of cutting Germans in half with big ass blades and shotguns
stoic breach
The flag layout is pretty competitive but the map layout was attrocious
But I loved it
It was fun because it was shit
solid hinge
It was fairly linear
minor moon
I loved it in operations
solid hinge
like a 5cp tf2 map
minor moon
It felt brutal
stoic breach
It was brutally shit as a map
plain temple
Imagine if there was a train map and teams were on opposite ends
minor moon
Storming the trenches, running through the gulches.
stoic breach
It was worse on operations
solid hinge
But the bloom fucked with my eyes
minor moon
I preferred it over the shit we got in BF4 lol
plain temple
And every time you stopped you could figbt but had to get back onto the train
stoic breach
The American operation was fucking horrible
solid hinge
one second your screen would go dark and the other second your eyes would burn
Mercury rain reminds me of bf1 atmosphere
I dunno what's wrong with that map
minor moon
That the new map?
stoic breach
The bloom on Aerodrome kills me
But overcast Aerodrome has such a good atmosphere
Paired with the plane wrecks
So good
solid hinge
Aerodrome feels like it's set in the midwest
like I'm storming a US military base from the 40s idk
minor moon
Aerodrome when it's on fire gives me Operation Firestorm vibes
solid hinge
Mercury cloudy and rain is so good
stoic breach
Yeah
minor moon
I wish we had some maps like St Quentin's Scar, in terms of atmosphere
solid hinge
I think it's because the buildings are too destructible
you can theoretically flatten the entire village
That's not good at all
minor moon
BC2 vibes then?
sacred junco
that would be okayish if it wasn't in the low ground
stoic breach
Its fine if the landscape was good enough
solid hinge
Perhaps
solid hinge
but it's not good because then you have sightlines
sacred junco
it has one of the tiniest cap zones in BFV
solid hinge
also for those interested read up on sightlines and how you break them in level design
sacred junco
considering cap zones are fairly large in the game
stoic breach
Yeah I've done a little bit of map editing in Halo Forge and CSGO's map sdk
solid hinge
I've made tf2 maps lol
solid hinge
for around 4 years
stoic breach
Yeet
solid hinge
Really fun but it's a bitch to design them because they require class balances
stoic breach
Yeah
solid hinge
I imagine BF's level design is much more different however
stoic breach
It can follow the same principles
solid hinge
if we ever get level editors I imagine you'd need to embrace a much more different ideology
hybrid dock
also hammer is the most non user friendly UI ever
stoic breach
Long sightlines for recon area denial
Fast but risky rotations and slower but safer ones
solid hinge
Yeah hammer crashes alot because it's an ancient piece of shit
stoic breach
Large areas for vehicles
hybrid dock
reminder that valve used that to make all of their games
stoic breach
Hammer doesnt really crash for me
hybrid dock
no wonder it takes so long to make them lmfao
stoic breach
Honestly you could design Titanfall maps the same way you design Battlefield maps
solid hinge
in the older games where to place / hide airfields
solid hinge
no
stoic breach
Frostbite
solid hinge
dear god no
solid hinge
Doesn't use the same level editor from what I'm told
stark nymph
I updated my bfv copy to latest one but still low fps than what it was previously
stoic breach
Yeah DICE is working on performance fixes
solid hinge
If I would design BF maps I would have airfields on places like hamada to be grief proof
stoic breach
Frostbite is apparently a bitch to work with
If I was to design Battlefield maps I would make maps in vaguely the same shape as Devastation for conquest
solid hinge
in Hammer you can easily grief proof stuff by having triggers
solid hinge
I would follow more open design principles
stoic breach
Well open is fine
solid hinge
less destruction maybe if they're open plains maps
stoic breach
Devastation is my favourite map because the flags are layed out in a cross
Same as my favourite map from BF1, Prise De Tahure
plain temple
Yeah
gray glade
are you christian
plain temple
Hamada is my favourite map
stoic breach
Rotations are fast if you rush but theres alot of spots you can get cut off by peaks
plain temple
And panzerstorm
plain temple
Yeah tanks n shit
stoic breach
Anyways, Devastation its easy to backcap points because they're close together and theres alot of common rotations where enough people travel through to passively encourage people to sit and defend
Which is the upside of making a small conquest map
plain temple
I like the grand ops devastation
midnight nimbus
lmao BF maps take 6-18 months to make
plain temple
Its cool to fight over an objective to decide your fate
stoic breach
Yeah its quite a long process
plain temple
It took sledgehammer, cod ww2 for you battlefield kids
stoic breach
More 6 month dev time small CQ maps pls
plain temple
About a month to make a map
stoic breach
CQ large isnt good
plain temple
And its always low quality
stoic breach
Haha
plain temple
So
stoic breach
CoD WW2 could've had great maps
plain temple
Appreciate battlefield maps
stoic breach
Just design them like CSGO maps
CSGO maps encourage creativity through map movement
Standard CoD 3-lanes just play like first-person MOBAs
Its crap
Its not hard to do 3-lane well
solid hinge
tf2 maps seem to be fine for rush maps
stoic breach
Yeah absolutely
They basically play like rush already
But with a payload instead of Mcoms
solid hinge
Open maps I'm not so sure what to look at
plain temple
I played cod ww2 for a long ass time back in my dead
solid hinge
maybe if it's historical make it loosely based off actual maps
stoic breach
Damn
plain temple
Day
solid hinge
Yeah
solid hinge
I would like a much more larger version of breakthrough where the entire map is available for flanking but you only have 2 points to capture at a time
tawdry helm
we have 2 spots left in our squad
midnight nimbus
Archer on Breakthrough 😩👌
stoic breach
my phone just died, I had to put my computer back on
mint cliff
how can i use the music room
solid hinge
music room?
plain temple
Uh where
solid hinge
I wonder how pacific maps would work on breakthrough
They're probably doing pacific maps the same way the bf1942 ones were done
sacred junco
Like RS probably
plain temple
Its basically what planes are
solid hinge
so in this case the strip will probably be larger and include water spaces
stoic breach
Probably how it be
plain temple
Restock would require you to stay in a certain place for 30 seconds
Repairs would probably take 20 seconds since it is a ship
plain temple
Repair bonus of minus 5 seconds taken time for every person in the ship
1 anti flak gun that if overheated can possibly break which they could fix for 10 seconds
Damage doesnt hinder the fixing time since that would be broken as shit
solid hinge
wait for every person on the ship
are we talking about people manning the guns?
or actual infantry on the decks
plain temple
Yeah possibly
solid hinge
since they might do it like the original games where you could spawn on ships and be on landing crafts
plain temple
I was thinking manning guns but a few infantry on the deck would be cool
solid hinge
That should have been the game plan for BF1
midnight nimbus
> multi person vehicles
NO
midnight nimbus
every vehicle in BFV should be single user
solid hinge
then again snipers would camp on them so you would need to do something like limit weapons
anyways
plain temple
Huh
midnight nimbus
players gunning on a vehicle where they can't control the movement are useless players
midnight nimbus
if your aim is good enough to be a good tank or plane gunner, you're more useful to your team as infantry
plain temple
They have use
solid hinge
Not really you can have engineers on board the ship
I’m gonna play bfv when the new chapter is out never been so bored in my life
midnight nimbus
rep monkey dreadnought, excellent design /s
solid hinge
also you can use battleships as landing craft bases
plain temple
Only manned guns would cause 5 seconds minus on the repair time rather than infantry
solid hinge
that was the meta in BF1942 and I expect that with BFV's pacific theater
plain temple
That would be cool
sacred junco
How about no Battleships
plain temple
Spitfire marine
plain temple
No
solid hinge
kht is trolling
plain temple
Selfish b-baka
midnight nimbus
no I'm just showing how excellent of an idea battleships are
worked so well in previous games /s
sacred junco
I don't want battleships in general still
plain temple
suffer
gray glade
battleships hasnt worked all that well as player controlled in the past battlefields
either in BF1 or bf1942
plain temple
And why is that?
midnight nimbus
there are two vehicles in BFV history that worked well with more than one player inside
gray glade
cuz you always get that one "captain" that doesnt know how to position the ship
sacred junco
Fighting Battleships as a Destroyer in BF1 was kinda funny
midnight nimbus
BF3/4 tanks and BF3/4 AH
plain temple
I guess
sacred junco
WoWS tactics of hiding behind rocks and hurling shells
midnight nimbus
or actually BFH AH as well
sacred junco
nah plenty of good infantry maps
plain temple
It would be the same stuff though
sacred junco
with some boats
solid hinge
I'm being serious naval combat is terrible in battlefield with the exception of bf1942
midnight nimbus
ngl i'd main battleship
relentless shelling of the shore
infy can't do anything about me
epic
plain temple
I guess an update would include the battleship getting added to the practice range
midnight nimbus
ez 70-0 gameplay
sacred junco
except a single PT boat will park behind your ass and shoot you for 5 mins
solid hinge
I mean that's why multiple seats on battleships exist
also in the older games you could deploy landing craft - I would love to see this feature again
sacred junco
its not fun being the one not getting 70+ kills tho
midnight nimbus
who cares about the plebs not getting fat kills
solid hinge
there's great potential to be seen
plain temple
The bismarck right?
plain temple
The best ship of ww2
sacred junco
no guarantee im gonna be the one having fun
plain temple
It was taken down by multiple ships surrounding it
sacred junco
Nah Bismarck was pretty underwhelming
solid hinge
and that one torpedo plane lmao
solid hinge
my only problem was that in BF1 naval combat was fairly underwhelming
supple mica
Watched the Pacific reval trailer and at the End you hear M1 Garand ping. Recon class is likely to get M1C or M1D
plain temple
Yeah
solid hinge
They felt like tack ons
midnight nimbus
oh wait BF4 boats were good with multiple players
plain temple
But to balance the ships out more 15 second cool down timer on main artillery
midnight nimbus
especially with epic PLD
gray glade
yeah i liked the boats in bf4
midnight nimbus
and bc miniguns actually shredded
plain temple
What else were in battleships
solid hinge
Or maybe ships need to go back to the main carrier to resupply like in the main game with tanks
you were able to spawn on them
midnight nimbus
oh and BF4 boats were able to deal with any threat
plain temple
I was thinking a port
solid hinge
maybe have a feature where you can deploy a raft from it
midnight nimbus
also resupply fetch quest is incredibly stupid
stoic breach
Isnt that like the BF4 raft as well
solid hinge
Yeah
midnight nimbus
yeah BF4 transport vehicles were actually good
plain temple
I guess rafts might work
But if they could be destructible how would you even build them?
midnight nimbus
idc if it's realistic, we need BF4-style boats
solid hinge
oh shit
midnight nimbus
big and slow transports are stupid
sour delta
@modest shadow baro brat
solid hinge
not transports
weak jolt
BF1 boats were awesome
plain temple
Shut up hoe
modest shadow
@sour delta she dzersko
solid hinge
battleships aren't transports
stoic breach
fun is very immersive, so everything should be more fun
solid hinge
they're mobile bases
plain temple
Ja
midnight nimbus
no I'm talking about the BF4 rubber raider boats
they're actually useful as transports
bc they're tiny and fast
solid hinge
oh yeah those
weak jolt
I liked M.A.S. Torpedo Boat
midnight nimbus
and have good weapons
plain temple
1 new planes for axis and allies which have torpedoes or something
midnight nimbus
also BF4 vehicle design >>>
solid hinge
I liked those yeah
plain temple
Night witched lmao
midnight nimbus
vehicles are good with only one player
plain temple
No
midnight nimbus
very good with more than one
plain temple
Silence thot
stoic breach
BFV would do wonders with giving the main driver/pilot the option to lock a vehicle on spawn
midnight nimbus
no
solid hinge
...
plain temple
Larper
midnight nimbus
if my friend is flying, he wants me in the gunner
not a random
if a random spawns, you can just teamkill them so your friend can spawn in
plain temple
That is incredibly dumb and well very situational
solid hinge
but then you think games like squad are teamkilling heavens...?
what
no you're tolling
I'm ignoring you
solid hinge
I played BF4 and you'd get punished for tking
plain temple
In bfv only your squad can spawn on your plane
midnight nimbus
you keep yourself in bounds and keep them OOB
plain temple
I was thinking 1 flak gun to give the planes a chance
midnight nimbus
you can do the same in pretty much any multi seat vehicle
solid hinge
Yeah AA guns are necessary
plain temple
It can be disabled, 10 second repair time
stoic breach
I think BFV should have a "squadmate attempting to spawn on you" notification
midnight nimbus
BF1 landship was a huge offender
stoic breach
And the option to lock your spawn
plain temple
Planes are know when its disabled because of the smoke
solid hinge
and if your seat is destroyed then you can exit that segment to be on the ship deck and then manually repair your seat
midnight nimbus
you shouldn't have to kick your entire squad to make call in vehicles usable
plain temple
Sounds good
solid hinge
infantry can spawn on battleships and then board the landing crafts
sacred junco
thats what i did in Volga river
plain temple
Also if you are single on the ship, animations of moving from place to place would be neat
Just like in bf1 for planes
midnight nimbus
🤮🤮🤮
solid hinge
maybe like, for the captains cabin
you go down a hatch and then appear in another gun seat
sacred junco
Scale of combat for ships is too dratsically different from infantry
solid hinge
or get back to the deck and then enter doors
plain temple
Yeah
midnight nimbus
actually lets make it realistic
sacred junco
it just doens't work unless you want them to be worthless or famring tool
plain temple
Finally he has a good idea
midnight nimbus
it takes 5 minutes to switch weapons in a battleship
solid hinge
go away
solid hinge
no 30 seconds
I would love to see a Close Quarters map that is set in an Aircraft Carrier and you can use the planes has cover
plain temple
Not even 30 seconds
midnight nimbus
actually make it an entire mini game
you actually have to use WASD and run to the other guns
plain temple
That gives way too much of an advantage to the enemy
solid hinge
I love how suggesting more interesting immersive mechanics are shot down with 'this game isn't a milsim'
midnight nimbus
no but it's realistic
solid hinge
epic comeback
sacred junco
issue is game is too fast paced
to make battleship combat work withoutit being very snappy
plain temple
Well it wasnt fucking instant to switch seats in a PLANE
midnight nimbus
peak BF was with instaswap seats and insta enter/exit
midnight nimbus
resulted in the most interesting plays
plain temple
10 to 5 seconds of animated moving
midnight nimbus
literally everything before BF1
solid hinge
i can deal with fast seat swap in certain places
midnight nimbus
players that could manage both attack heli seats by themselves >>>
midnight nimbus
I like instant enter, but not instant exit
solid hinge
instant exit for jeeps is good
midnight nimbus
honestly you shouldn't be able to exit your vehicle at all
plain temple
W h a t
solid hinge
kht stop shitposting
midnight nimbus
oh yeah instant exit for transports is fine
solid hinge
GLUED to the seat
plain temple
Hell no
solid hinge
i would like to argue that for planes