#battlefield-legacy-titles
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hell yeah a stalingrad map would've been great
i've been to stalingrad recently
its called volgograd now
not exactly a good place to visit it looks like shit
Yep nikita changed it
Yea
The president that came after stalin
and the roads there feel like they're being shot by nazis even to this day
He hated stalin i think
LMFAOOO
yeah he did
We need the ptrs 41
Ppsh 41
Yea
Ptrs 41 >>>>boys at rifle
oof
Theres both
Oh really
dumb russian used at rifles in ww2
I thought he was talking about the smg
and declined bazookas when americans proposed them
there's two types of ptrs i think
Too expensivr ?
yeah thats a fact russians thought the bazooka was not good enough to fight tanks
not too expensive just unreliable
British used AT rifles
a fucking at rifle would do a lot of damage to a tiger obviously
british had piat
The PTRD would be awesome to see
we only had ptrs 41
@prime pine yeah that other type
I think it was the best AMR at the time?
At pretty much were useless after ww1
Is there a difference between the mosin nagant m91 and m38 ?
Kinda
M38 is shorter if in saying right
Ppsh boi
And svt 40
@sterile ledge yeah i messed
Ppsh used to be my favorite smg in cod ww2
m38 is an upgraded version i believe
I preferd the grease gun
the 91 is the one from tsarist army
Yee
i would appreciate a good ol nagant in any form tho
Ppsh with drum mag when?
it's a shortened version
Cause that was developed in 1945 i believe. Fucking stiff ass fingers bloody cold.
yeah there were a bunch of nagant version even in ww1
💯
=Red Armee
weary
adolf elite dice please
he'd absorb a tiger shell
Rommel Elite

hell yeah
Simo hayha elite
rommel is my waifu
Vasili elite
adolf blitzkrieg
I mean cod WW2 has a Month outfit
zhukov elite
*monty
whos monthy tho
Erwin rommel is a respectable general
Bernard Montgomery
We can see the russian weapons from bf1 making an appearance again. Like the Fedorov and shit.
mannerheim elite pwease
He was respected by the allies
Oh, Rommel. The desert fox?
yeah
Yep
that one
ZE DESERT FOX
Legend
The fedorow was used in the finnish wat
He had dinner with patton
Is there any way I'll be able to do all of the TOW stuff? I'm on level 19 I think... I took a break from the game but now I want the cool skins and outfits.
And rommel sons and pattons are good friends
damn i cry every time rommel gets executed
He wasnt
Xd
ik
The smartest , ballsiest and most respectable guy ever
he killed himself
He suicided
but he was forced to do so by the nazis
He took the suicide to protect his family
Cu uz a fucking conspirator
daddy rommel

He had a good public image
Him and another general were the only 2 to not join the nazi party
yeah
basically russian general zhukov wasnt a good guy at all
as he said he would send squads of soldiers to disarm the mines
by literally running into them
He was the best one the soviets had
some people say its not true
but he's called the blood marshal here
for a reason
Modern problems require modern solutions
That's taking the one step backwards thing a little too far
yeah he mostly used guys from shtrafotryadi to do so
shtrafotryadi - penalty batallions
food wasnt rare u capitalist
there was enough food in the red army
to the point where fellas would join the army to get more food
Hhahaha Ayla

hey stop it
laughs in scorched earth
if communism havent worked we wouldn't have defeated the nazis
so yeah
facts dont care about your feelings
I am looking forward to the new tanks
lemme get ummm a t34-85 and a 2 liter coke
I dont think the white army woukd have stood a chance agints the nazis
totally correct
They could barely defeat the german empire
I do wonder as a whole how will we unlock them. Will we be given them? Or will we get them through completing ToW/Buying them..
Yeah
nicholas was so incompetent
but not germans
Ayla... Help me here!
every time i hear tannenberg i wanna cry
I never play tanks in bf5
Same
ЦАРЬ БОГ ВЕРА РУССКИЕ ВПЕРЕД
They're so bad imo
Yeah, Tanks are certainly not what they weren't before hand but i personally really enjoy them.
Vehicle combat was at it peak in bf4
Maybe it's because i'm sick of assholes sitting in the A7V/Heavy tank.
Tabk duels feel like water ballons fight
The archer is probably the best tank currently
The archer is a very good tank. But it's not the tank for me.
yeah and the only remaining a7v is in australia now
several people are typing
rip in peace
I'm kind of bored of playing Bf1 right now, is that normal?
I love sitting in the heavy churchill

i got bored of bf1 a year ago lol
And pretty powerful
You mean the active protection/behind a structure method? BF4 was definitly the peak for tanks@sterile ledge 
I like the tiger 1
Why use the Stug when you have the Panzer IV?
the explosive shell is powerful 
It was fun when I first got it, but there really isn't much too it anymore
@hybrid dragon did i say imo?
dam it would've been nice if we had a realistic gamemode with bolt action rifles and smgs only
I dont think i did sorry
they should've done that back in bf1
Cause the only thing the STUG has over the Panzer IV is the ability to equip the psuedo PAK 40 AND Ap mine blast at the same time.
Yep i didnt
Freeze, Have you tried the Churchill MKVIII yet?
Yes
dam i wish we had officer whistles in bf5 i just loved using the go command as a squad leader in bf1 and hear that whistle
empowerment
Its the heavy one i
BFV tanks are awful literally the worst tank mechanics in the BF franchise
Well. The Stug is "OK" but it's nothing in comparison to the archer.
@molten vortexand the sick theme that played when u took a sector
hell yeah
They are slow, big and did I already say slow?
Yeah it's the heavy tank for the brits. there's the gun carrier but who uses that really?
@prime pine i mean when you compare it to panzer iv
Gives me chills everytime and goosebumps
Every tank feels the same for me in bf5
Saaame
Yeah, Cause the Panzer IV has the mobility the STUG has not.
Tbh dice should add m1 abrams
It would be amazing if battlefield went more to the competitive route, maybe a better ranking system, competitive matches, stronger vehicles, would really make it more playable for me right now
Call it a day
yeah i really love the white army theme
And they shall not pass one
with its christian motives
The Valentine MKVII is rising up in viability now. Its 6 Pounders do so much to everything it's going to get out of hand.
On rupture when the game is abt to end
playing the red army before it was cool
Bf1 dlc? @molten vortex
@sterile ledge yas
Yes they were nice
What confuses me is why are they increasing vehicle damage and not telling us?
whats fez
It's going all over the place and it's fucking annoying.
Nvm
Srsly that shit is just the meaning of determination and courage
I would like a gamemode where there are only paratrooper units pitted against each other
its surrounded by myths tho it was not entirely the way russian propaganda tells you
@wise harness what's that fortress?
For example british SAS vs German Fallschrimjäger
Well its a battle in ww1
A siege that lasted for weeks
And one day the germans used gas and the russians didnt have gasmasks
The german started advancing and they say russuians covering uo theur face s in clothes
On airborne, if you successfuly won the the round as the attacker, on the next round your team is reinforced with the same planes used to drop any where on the map. But that's an incredibly easy snow ball efect.
And spitting blood
effect
A terrifying sight
So rpterrifying they immediatly fell back wich made them trip on eachotyer on the berbed wire
@drifting marsh russian soldiers got attacked by austrians in a polish fortress and had to hold off for weeks without reinforcements until austrians unleashed mustard gas on them which pretty much forced most of the russians to die. some survived and launched a counter attack by charging austrians with bayonets
Except equiping the soldier with a flare and that flare will be used as a marker for the respawn
@molten vortexgermans
Like the commando division in cod ww2
Not austrians
oooooof
I dont get germans sometimes
some of them were obviously badly damaged and were "spitting pieces of their lungs out"
and still stood up and fought
that kind of stuff
But they kept charging
They can use mustard gas and flamethrower but get angry when they're getting obliterated by shotguns
Dont be rude
shotguns are op
They also violated a lot of war rules
also usa :
literally lets germany sinking a ship
wtf
they done the same thing with japan
Share this guys, cheaters
btw japan supplied russians with arisaka rifles in ww1
that fact keeps me awake at night
Tbh @wise harness the uk intercepted that message and showed it to the us
I know
taking the islands
americans were making winchester 1895s and mosins for russia as well
weird shit
and france was supplying us with adrian helmets
Smle for the brits
Yeah the 1895 winchester is the shit
O.o
MG42 is the real shit
yas
It had replaceable barrels
😩 😩 😩
damn i would've went to war just to get myself a mg42
ussr gets cancelled
Germany had so much better weapons in ww2
The sturmgewehr 44
The grandpa of all assault rifles today
fedorov was an assault rifle as well but thats an obscure weapon
and the first jet plane
me 262
Whose the jerries?
The germans
tommies=brits
Baguette = French
dp28
hell yeah

Wait no
its like a poor man's lewis
Italy = poor guns
and poor army
and poor everything pretty much
good food tho so we have to give them that
Except for the beretta smg
The beretta was good and was the only italian gun that didnt jam
Hope we see it in bf5
#rememberchauchat
in campaign
chauchat wasnt as bad as people say actually
Chauchat in bf5 is semi auto?
yeah different bullets types
I dont like the look tbh
oh boy another Mercury CQ game
croissant mag
where the team loses all cap
Some ww1 weapons are very nice looking tbh
that half moon mag is just beautiful
The mars pistol is fabulous
Bf1 
it was only built for people who ordered it
and it was hella expensive
but yeah it did exist at the war period so kind of
People had the luxury to order guns during wartime ?
nah it was never a war gun
Why is it in bf1 tho 
it was produced before the war in limited numbers
it'd be so op of thet put it in bfv
well hellriegel is in bf1 as well
because there's so few pistols now
theres a lot of experimental or civilian use guns in bf1
The m1911 is better tbh
like 50% of the guns either saw little use or didnt see use at all
howdah - never used
Shit i would love to see the mars in rdr2
fedorov - 5000 rifles built
Is it just me or does the fedorov look like the selbstlader
kind of
Yep
But the kick of the weapon was horrible
And the damage in range was horrible too
It wasnt really viable imo
probably so i did see some soviet time footage of this gun
yeah soviets
soviets captured all of the remaining guns
and supplied the red army with them
so fedorov was kind of used in ww2
lewis saw a lot of action during ww2
Its my favorite machine gun
fedorov didnt cos again its an obscure gun
I like the huge barrel
And with the 97 mag it doesnt even overheat
So its a good all purpose mg
I dont like mmg tbh
my mg34 is level 10 at this point as well
Maybe ill try the mg42
theyre satistying to use
I personally very rarely play with MMG's
I usually use either the bren or the lewis
i tried using lahti sahloranta but it just doesnt work too well
it looks like shit thats certain
I maxed the lewis in a single day too
I end up being a lot more effective wielding the FG42.
probably the worst looking gun of the bunch
@prime pine i havent unlocked it yet 
fg42 wasnt even an mg damn
Its a paratrooper ar
ye
Looks sick
It's still a machine gun
I wanna unlock that weapon
one level left to unlock it
It's good. But you need to learn to control it.
fjallschirmjager 42
german just sounds so nice
fjallschirm = parachute jager = hunter
im pretty sure
People usually are scared when they hear german language
hell yeah
I kinda like it too

god i cant use the enfield
There was the german in far cry 3.
the weird jerking motion
gewehr stands for rifle im sure
the horrible drop off
Trying to get the tags for the einfield is annoying sooo i'm with you there WAng.
Rifle in english 

It would be nice seeing the Fedorov
Spagetti in italian 

THat rifle wasn't all too bad in bf1. Though, I didn't use it much as i used it as a try hard weapon.
Selby 1916 for me!
ENEMY MACHINENSPAGHETTI!
yas the enfield is good but the g95 is better because its austrian
It makes up for the slow muzzle velocity
The ross and the gewehr 95 are pretty good competitors
basically germans captured m95 when they captured austria
I like the krag jorgenson tbh
The kar98 too
damn the 98
Krag ain't all too bad.
Do like using the scopes, feel a lot more comfortable. But then bf1 scopes were definitely more creative.
I see something weird about the M28, My bullets go above where aim.
Ironically
And no zeroinh
Zeroing
Talking about bolt action carbines i never got myself to play with them
sitting here listening to soviet music damn feels nice
have to wake up in 1:30 hours
They are actually quite decent
Especially the M28
Eh, I like the M28 better
Silencer is good and all, but that ain't worth shit if you are spotted and killed
Which is 90% of the time
!unmute @sterile ledge
:ok_hand: Freeze#9882 is now unmuted
huh?
Fucking dumbest game I swear to god
what happened
!unmute @molten vortex
:ok_hand: commieblock00#5110 is now unmuted
Bot hiccup
What happened
The hell
Every time I spawn a plane in the dumbass game points it at the ground and kills me
My chat glitched out a bit too
Bot is shit @sterile ledge
You got muted
Sometimes it has hiccups
Oh okay
And think everyone typing during the hiccup is spamming
Thats complicated
i thought i did something wrong lol
Why does the game have the plane furthest to the right highlighted

Also, I love being totally unable to customize my planes in game
yeah the bot's name is junkers 88
I got a new specialization, cool
thats kind of funny
@brave cypress not just that
Too bad I have to fucking back out of the match to apply it
ARE DICE SECRETLY SYMPATHISING TO NAZIS
you can't costomise when there's no plane slots
Why would you think like that
@molten vortex huh?
And even if I could equip it, I'd have to wait 3 minutes until a plane is ready to spawn
same with tanks
is nothing their bot is just called ju 88
XDDD
and the other one is called V2 i believe
And then IT GETS SPAWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE WHILE I'M APPLYING THE SPEC
Yea they base it off the game
v2?
yes
hell yeah
btw americans used v2 rockets to launch animals into space
just saying
@brave cypress ikr why can't dice just make vehicles changed without having to wait
cos the guy that built the rocket moved to the us after the war
It was possible in BF1
and pretty much started the entire us space program
yes
animals lol
HAHAHA
Was the v2 ever used in war
yes
Yeah
9/10 matches I play I get put on the German side
Used against Berlin
It was also called the Pennemunde
What about the jb2?
Based off where it was made
Was it a thing
@brave cypress they're so obsessed with balancing
that they remove team switching
while balancing itself is worse now
HURRAY BFV
I TRIED TO SPAWN A TANK AND I GOT ZOOMED IN ON THE OCEAN AND NOW THE MATCH IS FUCKED
Next battlefield
are you on xbox by any chance?
Battlefield: Eat Shit and Die
Jb-2 is used by brits in bf5
Game arrives with a disc that has been run across sandpaper repeatedly
Pay an extra 20 dollars and we'll even send someone to your house to kick you in the teeth
gimme that special edition
Because they were under the impression that they'd be getting 20 skins
Not 3 skins in 20 pieces
Or was it 2
Can't remember
im pretty sure deluxe edition bf5 has a male soldier on cover
Yea
im broke asf so i got the regular one for 30 bucks
Im not sure what does the disc look like since i have the digital game
I'm going back to Siege because it somehow pisses me off less than BFV does
oh man
i just picked up two game disks from my shelf
bf5 and siege
coincidence?
Put your BFV disc in the microwave for 10 minutes
😫
i dont really like siege
i have like 400 hours in it
and almost all of the achievements
but is just too hard to play nowadays
damn i only have 4 games on disks
bf5, siege, bf4 and cod aw
OOF
BO2 was my first xb game
I had pretty much every PS System
My first FPS was CoD MW on the Nintendo DS
Cod mw is gonna be lit
Very much hyped
same
A controversial campaign
remember, no russian
xbox players where you at
Try to lower ur sens if ur going hip mode @solid hinge
high sens gang 💯
@molten vortex they're sleeping because they have school tomorrow
i don't even know how to completely turn off aim assist @sterile ledge
Why would u do that
so trash it messes my aim
looking for someone good to play with must have mic and be 13+
not tomorrow actually but in an hour
i didnt sleep today
oof
Have some sleep then
Sleep is very enjoyable
Boys AT Rifles are everywhere on twisted
i would sleep at college
we'll have a test on the first class
so imma be like
schleep
twisted just looks like trash
the trees are straight from ps1 era
yet they havent fixed that yet so i assume this is the way theyre supposed to be
panzerstorm rocks
feels like a real tank battle
like kursk
damn i hope we'll get kursk map
kursk, stalingrad and battle of berlin would wrap up the eastern campaign
fuck war stories
The last tiger was great tbh
i didnt complete war stories in bf1 to this day
i don't want dice to get less content in multiplayer
at the expense of campaign
Are you implying that it wasnt sad
i like last tiger though
The last tiger was the best war story
nah i just didnt care the commander was kind of an asshole
No he wasnt he was a commander 
and these kids were both unlikeable
the nazi kid was an interesting character
Yea
seeing that other soldier being hanged
But he was an asshole nonetheless
it got me
i didnt care about soldiers tho im used to the fact that nazis were no good guys by any means
I felt bad for the commander after seeing the hanged kid
apologize
He kinda regret it expending him
communism had at the very least an objectively good goal
But german soldier werent all nazis
obviously
read marx my man theoretically communism is an utopian society
Was Peter Muller an actual Nazi or just your standard German tank commander.
apologize
Yeah, lets not do that conversation here
i dont really like when people say bad thing about communism without knowing history
i just really really dont like it
Sharing is caring 
Same as saying all germans were nazi's, but drop it, its not a discussion for this discord.
60, 70 and 80's - the best time to live for a russian fellow
Chernobyl would like a word with you
Soviet union lived in poverty until the president who was actually a good one and with him the soviet union was disbanded
They ate boiled boots
the frick are you talking about
That's a new one....
now youre being ignorant
soviet fellows, in fact, did eat boots during the siege of leningrad
Dead serious even
We don't care, guys this is not the place for this.
Yep
ping pong
Hey Cali
leningrad was surrounded by nazis and yet soviet soldiers risked their lives to bring food to the occupied city
._.
henlo
hoi
MAB 38 ?
damn i was hoping our argument was not over
yeah in the chapter
sad hour
Xd
italian weapons oh boyo
🅱ussiluni
uneducated victims of capitalism oh boyo
@solid hinge HAHAHAHA
wait was napalm ever used in ww2
is that a Mitchell or a Liberator in the screenshot
i don't know
Pretty sure some form of napalm was
i fucking hate when i don't have net

when i returned to my city
a week without a router
FML
i was about to say i thought they used napalm on the Concrete Fort in the Pacific
naw
wait hol up a Mosquito used a napalm bomb
they just want a war at this rate
can we have that as a spec in game
hiroshima bomb backfired with anime tho so thats questionable
anime was the best counter attack ever pulled off in military history
XDDD oh god
Haha_Yesl
o.O
Anyone know of the scheduled patch is going thru right now? Can't connect to EA online...
So I got the new fallschirmjager switchblade.. somehow
I don't know what I did to get it, but it's something
I'll take it
This weeks stuff was relatively easy imo
Any PS4 players having connection issues post-update?
Or is goddamn Gismo and his rap-scaling band of Gremlins back on they bullshit again.
Wait, the June 4th update is out already ?
Dunno. I'm having trouble connecting on ps4. Dunno if it's that or PSN or what
I just bull-charged a sniper head on with my new switchblade for the assignment
Turns out he was a bad shot and had a weak throat
Who knew?
I now get to complete my fallschirmjager loadout
Hey guys
So I was exploring mercury
And you know how you can see people parachuting in the background?
Well, they aren’t just 2D props apart of the sky box, they’re actual character Models on parachutes
Anyone know where I can join to get help with the phantom project?
who tf shadow pinged me 7 times?
morning @amber notch ❤
Can't you see recent mentions or are they all deleted?
When your a tank gewher and get targeted by a bomber and a attack plane when you weren't even attacking them

Just shoot the pilot lmao 😩
Can I post a video of the Paratrooper models
I'll show you my log
I've seen videos and I'm sure gamer dvr is allowed to be shared here
I feel like levelcap is on a completely different plane of existance.
Like, I see SOME of his points, but some just make NO sense
I'll show you my plane of existence
Like, remember that time in his "wishlist for the next battlefield" he wanted killing people to be prioritised over healing people?
Wise words coming from the Suomi user who does not revive



He's a selfish player
there used to be a 'point' counter in the scoreboard
I tried watching an update video but all I see is him not caring about being a medic as a medic
maybe make the games about getting more points instead of getting more kills?
this entire 'get more kills' mentality is kinda bad for the game
His most recent video bashes BFV for bad framerates... but I play on PS4, and get very consistant framerates. Or at least, my frames are below good and I just don't notice.
Like, maybe you've just cranked up your fucking settings to the max so that it breaks your PC
No, frame rates drop sometimes
I've never really experienced it though, to my knowledge
That's something I'm seeing being thrown around Reddit
I have a feeling the people who talk about frame rate drops have 8GB ram or something
you need 16GB to run smoothly
8GB is too obsolete by this point
Off topic here, am I the only person who thinks Wilhelm looks like he runs a death camp?
Remember, just because you're not experiencing something, doesn't mean others aren't
Also, haven't encountered that problem
Wilhelm is a sadist from ww1
Ah, that explains it then.
Wilhelm is the german support I think
from BF1
He looks like a nazi comic book character
which is fine
No, assault
has an entire 'heil hydra' vibe to him
Mhmm
I can literally imagine him saying "Bring in ze next Patient" like some human experiment
Eh, Ernst looks like a Rommel guy to me
what i mean is that mengele (nazi doctor) was a cold cut reserved dude, like ernst
wilhelm looks too damaged
the most evil people I think for germany are the ones who look the most reserved and clean
with that being said yeah ernst looks like rommel
Wolfenstien one yeah
Yeah for sure. Alongside a bit of a James bond vibe.
game is so fuckin broken, i left my squad i cant join back and plus my audio is broken LMAO
Bro why dont you just switch your ears on 😤
If you can't hear the game you need a better gaming chair 
The first time for me,oceana servers are actually active in bf4
@vague drift please don't do that again, even if it was a joke K thx 
There's a bug actually
Where
You hear the respawn screen theme
and nothing else
You can only hear you vehicle getting hit
Can they stop putting melees in ToW?
Nobody wants a fucking rake or Arditi dagger
Give us g u n s
Is it just me or do all of the secondary weapons feel weak asf
Other than the P38
The MKIV has high damage
But the P38 is the only one with recoil that doesn't look like it's in slowmo
Oh damn
Also, to add to my "stop adding melees"
Why would they flood the game with melees while simultaneously making them garbage?
I've literally never gotten a 1hko melee in this game
Which one are you talking about?
1HKO Melee attack?
Do you mean attacking someone from behind?
Cause those are instant kills..
Which game?
Probably BF1
Yea, melee is horrible
Because melee weapons have worked fine for me
Melee attacks were absolutely fucked in bf1. Cause the takedown range was so large.
WIth the sawtooth knife, i could exploit it by firing a couple of rounds from my pistol and then pressing the melee button.
or one un aimed sniper round at close range and then the quick follow up
I'm talking about BFV
Yea, I’ve tried 1HKO and never worked
I've been 1hko meleed from the side before
anybody else just lose connection to bfv servers?
BF1 working fine
Update is live for PC
yeah just saw that
That’s probably why
Morning
evening
night
Can’t wait for the new cosmetics
totally not gonna be something we used to be able to buy with CC 
i have 3k
oins
same
Only got 120
oins rn.
F
I want to get more but on the other hand, haven’t felt the need to yet.
yeah i bought 3k and just wait for new things to come in
the new elites are kinda meh
Though I do like that new outfit with the splinter helmet
why care bout cosmetics?
Cause they look cool?
gives 0 advantage ingame
Why do people buy expensive clothes when you can buy cheap ones that do the same thing?
I don’t either. But people like cosmetics, that’s how Fortnite can sell $20 skins.
All game companies want your money.
fortnite sells their cosmetics to mainly kids and they buy it
Like where does theese kids pull their money from
Their parents debit card. 
solution: don't have kids and then you can have the skins 
YEH BUT STILL, ALL PARENTS CAN't be rich
Feats me man.
I played that game very briefly and only had a skin cause I had twitch prime.
That shit was too expensive for me.
But I could damn near get 3 elite outfits* for the price of 1 Fortnite skin. So
2 gigs
Meanwhile BFV continues to give me the worst luck
If cosmetics gave you advantages that would be even worse lol
shivers
any good youtube channel for some1 who just started bfv and getting kinda lost in the mess? :]
Probably a smaller youtube channel for guides
For example
Channels like GetGoodGuy, KritikalKris
Ranger Dave
i felt it was really arcady for some reason
After TTK2.0 and Ammo 2.0 the game was really on the right track
It’s similar but has quite different mechanics to make it slightly less casual. Has a bit more customization and overall more consistent gunplay. But I still love BF1 more.
Sweet spots for snipers got balanced as well
BFV has really consistent gunplay but the weapon balance is a bit wonky
bfv still got that shitty sniper scope adjust thingy?
Like how medics dont have assault rifles
like in bf1
Variable zero?
think so
Like every Battlefield game does
dont remember bf3 and such had those





