battlefield-legacy-titles

[stoic breach]

What you mean

[gray glade]

if i was gonna get it i would have by now 😄

[stoic breach]

@midnight nimbus what do you mean by remove patterns

[midnight nimbus]

NO
MORE
RECOIL
PATTERNS

[stoic breach]

Is that good or bad

[midnight nimbus]

i mean why are recoil patterns ever good

[stoic breach]

I kinda like them

But thats cause I play CSGO

Or played more frequently a while ago

[midnight nimbus]

it's just a general recoil bias now

like BF4

recoil patterns are a bad mechanic cmv

not because they're difficult or anything

but it's just kinda dumb imo

[stoic breach]

Yeah thats alright

I think its interesting to be able to sort of negate recoil if you move the camera a certain direction

Its just satisfying to do spray control like that for me

[sour latch]

Have you guys seen the new battlefield killer game to come to steam? Tank BATTLEGROUNDS ?

[stoic breach]

Idk if I'm feeling it chief

[charred heron]

Honestly, only trashplayers truly use the Boys

I mean, there was a guy who couldn't hit me even if he tried from ~40m away

Fun

[stoic breach]

But what is trash? And what is true?

Join me in the "Boys AT Ghetto Shotgun" gang

[scenic beacon]

you do it too?!

[stoic breach]

Yes

[charred heron]

What i don't understand that this thing must have a huge delay in shots

[scenic beacon]

Finally, somebody else who uses it right

[stoic breach]

😩

[charred heron]

Got shot in the legs with it mere ms after started to knife the wielder

Weird stuff

[stoic breach]

Wacky

Yeah if you don't run Boys AT with spot flare and throwing knives, are you really an effective part of the team

[charred heron]

Honestly

[stoic breach]

Especially when you can get assault rifle hipfire with the Boys AT

[charred heron]

MLG pure skill spam with the Thompson

[stoic breach]

Thompson clout machine

Imagine how much better it would be if assaults had that instead

Who aren't invincible and infinitely healing

[icy sluice]

M1907 SF has entered the chat

[stoic breach]

Oh yes

The only true assault weapon worth using

Which would be right at home with medic

[icy sluice]

Turner SMLE has entered the chat

[scenic beacon]

And it has a bayonet!

[stoic breach]

For legacy reasons

Assault SAR and SMG would go so well together

Having assault rifles and SAR together is kind of redundant

[charred heron]

M1907 SF has a bayonet, which is a huge plus

[stoic breach]

Especially since the StG 1-5 and M1907 play like smgs anyways

Yes

[icy sluice]

FG42 Bayonet

[charred heron]

Shoot someone, ran out of ammo and stab another person

[scenic beacon]

i want another bayonetted smg or a bayonetted carbine

[charred heron]

Boys with bayonet

[stoic breach]

The Lee Enfield is such a shit bolt action that it might as well be a medic carbine honestly

[gray glade]

panzerfaust with bayonett?

[charred heron]

Tiger with bayonet tbh

[scenic beacon]

liberator with a bayonet

[gray glade]

you can use it as a battering ram

[stoic breach]

The Boys AT is basically a Panzerfaust with no splash damage and a scope

[charred heron]

Like those japanese AT grenades

On a stick

It rarely ended well for the user

[stoic breach]

That's because it ended the user

[scenic beacon]

Literally half of the japanese arsenal never ended well for the user

[stoic breach]

Thats what happens when you have an army who cares more about their emperor than their own lives

[hazy wasp]

Anybody else getting black screen not connecting to server crap?

[ancient ocean]

What's the name of that German transport, like the little two seatter one that has one weel and the back is a tank track?

[gray glade]

you mean the half track?

[scenic beacon]

^

[gray glade]

SdKfz 251

Sonderkraftfahrzeug

such a beautiful word

[ancient ocean]

The half track is the big one, I'm talking about the small one with only 2 seats

[stoic breach]

Sd kfc

[sly vault]

Why do I still play this trash...

[hazy wasp]

nvm loading in now 👍

[ancient ocean]

It's like a motorcycle kinda.

[stoic breach]

Because one man's trash is another man's treasure

[scenic beacon]

@ancient ocean you mean that tiny little thing

[ancient ocean]

Ya

[scenic beacon]

its for towing shit around

uhh

hmm

[west lodge]

best vehicle in the game

[gray glade]

Kettenkrad

[ancient ocean]

Ya

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[ancient ocean]

That one @gray glade thank you

[stoic breach]

Kittengrab 🐱

[ancient ocean]

I want a bayonet on the kettenkrad

[stoic breach]

Thats just running people over

[ancient ocean]

Me and my friend just call it the krab

[sly vault]

I fucking hate this game and gotta love and I headshot this guy twice but still felt the need to teabag little fucking slut haha

[stoic breach]

👽

That looked like two sentences stitched together

[ancient ocean]

@sly vault that's a but overboard at the end there.

[sly vault]

You want to know what overboard is?

On a side note what about we rename battlefield 5 to camperfield 5 it would be a bit more fitting

[ancient ocean]

People talk about people laying down alot in bfv but when I went back and played bf1 a bit ago I was literally getting drop shotted by everyone

[worldly fossil]

Mercury trailer looks good.

[sly vault]

Wait you managed to find servers on bf1 because I don’t

[scenic beacon]

there are still quite a few

[west lodge]

all mostly a decent amount of conquest

[ancient ocean]

No I can find games on operations

I can easily find games on operations.

[stoic breach]

Wow I had a feeling Kat was in OCE

Judging by that aggressive outburst from before

[solid hinge]

finally got the wild one and Hanna

[stoic breach]

Nice

I'm contemplating getting Hanna

[ancient ocean]

"The wild one and Hanna"?

[solid hinge]

yeah, the wild one was the only tow chpt 1 outfit i missed

[sly vault]

This piece of crap game deserves every song bit of hate it gets

[solid hinge]

i was away that week

[sly vault]

Hell E. Fucking T. On Atari was better than this

[stoic breach]

I think you're grasping at straws

[sly vault]

No I’m not

Because it’s true

[hazy wasp]

you know when you make a crucial snipe to stop a friendly vehicle from getting killed thats not exactly easy

actually went ''Ohhh hohoho'' out loud lol

[stoic breach]

Thats hot

[hazy wasp]

was spicy

just saw the assault out of the corner of my eye too

[sly vault]

I think I should quit before my blood pressure gets too high...

[stoic breach]

👽

[hazy wasp]

okay im hittign ehadshots for days here wtf

[stoic breach]

Yee

[sweet pawn]

the most cursed thing would be a medic with an assault rifle

that's just too OP

[stoic breach]

Well if DICE give medics self-healing cooldowns it wouldnt be OP

[hazy wasp]

mhm

[sweet pawn]

that's true

[stoic breach]

Then it would just be BF4 medics

[sweet pawn]

oh my lord

yes

[hazy wasp]

actually why don;t they have self healing cooldowns

surely thats a no brainer?

[stoic breach]

It should be

[sweet pawn]

true but it's DICE

[hazy wasp]

i mean you're not wrong

[stoic breach]

Also if medics had assault rifles you would actually see them on Panzerstorm and Hamada

[sweet pawn]

what do you expect? Medics destroying tanks with a syringe?

oh my

that is true

if u give Medic a DMR or like the Mondragon from BF1 you would see them on Hamada

[hazy wasp]

eh the commando carbine and the other bolt action are good

for the medic

[sweet pawn]

how do you get that btw?

[stoic breach]

Well assault SARs are great because if they had smgs, the SARs would make up for the range

De Lisle is ok but the Tromboncino is better in every way except ammo

[hazy wasp]

i think its just via 1700cc now right?

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[hazy wasp]

the commando carbine and other noob tube rifle?

[sweet pawn]

any level cap?

[hazy wasp]

naw

[stoic breach]

No

[sweet pawn]

noice

[stoic breach]

Wait a sec

[sweet pawn]

then better get crakcing on some CC

[hazy wasp]

I can;t believe I hated the Lee Enfield with 3x scope at launch

[stoic breach]

No there is a level cap

[hazy wasp]

its basically the M24 from Bad Company 2 lol

[stoic breach]

I got confused

The Lee Enfield is the worst bolt action in the game

The De Lisle is better than the Lee Enfield now

[sweet pawn]

it is?

[stoic breach]

After it's buff

[sweet pawn]

huh

ohh that makes more sense

then is the Kar98k any good? (im only lvl 12 recon)

[stoic breach]

Upgrading the muzzle velocity of the De Lisle brings it up to the Lee Enfield, and the De Lisle has a box mag and straight pull

The Kar98 is ok

[hazy wasp]

KAR 98 is your long range boy for this game

[stoic breach]

But pretty much all bolts suck

[hazy wasp]

ehhhhh

[gray glade]

i wouldnt go that far

[hazy wasp]

as someone who uses bolts a lot I'd have to disagree

[stoic breach]

The Tromboncino and Boys AT are the best bolt actions in the game

[hazy wasp]

how good are you at headshotting is the major issue with bolts

[sweet pawn]

well if they gave the options of standard issue rifles to the game like in BF1 that would be awesome

[stoic breach]

My weapon with the most kills is the Kar98

[sweet pawn]

and im ok with bolts

[stoic breach]

And I still think bolts suck

[hazy wasp]

naw dawg

[sweet pawn]

at over 300m im trash. Can't do bullet drop that well

[hazy wasp]

people use bolts in the wrong situations

SLRs are pretty lit btw

[stoic breach]

I'm a good sniper, I just think other weapons are better

I'll use the Kar98 to headshot a camper

[hazy wasp]

I am apprently John Wick with the LE

[stoic breach]

And then switch back to the Tromboncino

[sweet pawn]

the noob tube gun is for medic tho

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

A S S A U L T
R I F L E
M E D I C

[sweet pawn]

thats a good switch-up for classes

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[sweet pawn]

and yep

[hazy wasp]

like im really not bigging myself up here but that last round effected me by how accurate I am getting with just twitch headshotting people lol

[stoic breach]

Assault rifle medic would be great for everyone who likes large maps

[sweet pawn]

i can't twitch headshot for shit tho

[hazy wasp]

btw this entire situation will be solved once we go modern day again and they just all kit the M4

[stoic breach]

I do it all the time with the Tromboncino

[sweet pawn]

im better at close-medium range

[hazy wasp]

btw if you a re using bolts, at close range get decent with a pistol

[sweet pawn]

true that

[stoic breach]

Well the Tromboncino solves that by being a two shot kill straight pull

[hazy wasp]

Pistols and throwing knives are your meat and veggies as a recon

[midnight nimbus]

I didn't like BF4 all-kit to the extent that it was

honestly

[sweet pawn]

i got really good with throwing knives tho

somehow

[hazy wasp]

I would like them to rock paper scissors the system if they add all kit weapons again

[stoic breach]

I didnt get into BF4 enough to really want all-kit

[hazy wasp]

give me some drawback or trade off for using them

[midnight nimbus]

imagine like engineer gets buckshot semis, medic gets slug semis, support gets buckshot pump, and recon gets slug pump

[sweet pawn]

what

the

heck

[midnight nimbus]

it actually makes sense distributing an "all-kit" gun like that

[sweet pawn]

this isn't fortnite tho my dude

[midnight nimbus]

fortnite doesn't do this?

[hazy wasp]

??

like I used to run Recon with an 870MCS a lot lol

[stoic breach]

Well Recon in BFV basically has a ghetto pump slug now lol

[midnight nimbus]

I don't think "all kit" guns should be truly all kit

[sweet pawn]

how so?

[midnight nimbus]

where any shotgun can be used by any class

breaks class identity

[sweet pawn]

ah

[hazy wasp]

honestly the best way they could of done this is brign in the specialist traits for the classes

[midnight nimbus]

I like how BFH and BF1 distributed secondaries

[stoic breach]

Yeah some slight class crossover is cool

[midnight nimbus]

not every class gets every secondary

but you have similar equivalents

[sweet pawn]

but if you allow all classes to have a shotty... what's going to happen with a medic that has a buckshot on a map like rotterdam?

that inner church would be hell

[hazy wasp]

If you use the Saboteur version of the recon you lost the long rifles, but gain surpressed smgs

[sweet pawn]

ok i get it

[midnight nimbus]

medic with a shotgun is no different from medic Suomi

[stoic breach]

The church is Devastation

Yeah

[sweet pawn]

oh

whoops

[hazy wasp]

Medic with a Shotgun sounds like a Tarantino rejected movie

[stoic breach]

Hahaha

[sweet pawn]

im even worse at fact checking than our prez i guess

[hazy wasp]

Also, i haven;t played BF2 in liek a decade

[stoic breach]

If medics had assault rifles and carbines

[sweet pawn]

neither have i

[hazy wasp]

despite having more classes, didn;t BF2 have specialist class roles?

[stoic breach]

That would be great

[sweet pawn]

i think it did

[stoic breach]

And then giving the De Lisle the OHK within 10m that it should have 😩

[sweet pawn]

YES

[midnight nimbus]

apparently the idea of giving DeLisle the slug shotgun model was tossed around

[sweet pawn]

PLEASE GIVE US THAT DICE

[stoic breach]

Was it?

That would've been hecka good for a shotgun medic

Now recon has a shotun

Which is also cool

[hazy wasp]

Also Daily rant of God dammit we need ribbons in the game for assignments so we don;t just have to kill shit for assignments

[stoic breach]

Or ghetto shotgun

[sweet pawn]

whats the ghetto shotgun

[stoic breach]

Remember how long it took BF1 to get ribbons

[hazy wasp]

Liberator and an AP mine

[sweet pawn]

oh

[stoic breach]

@sweet pawn Boys AT

[hazy wasp]

(Kidding)

[stoic breach]

The supposed "noob camper" weapon

[sweet pawn]

yep

or just a pistol and a grenade

[hazy wasp]

friend of mine nearly choked out laughing when he set an AP mine and shot it with a liberator to kill a dude on devastation

[midnight nimbus]

Boys AT and MMG hipfire is better than its supposed to be

lovely

[sweet pawn]

shoot it in midair like a bitch

wait hat

[stoic breach]

Well I'll take better hipfire

[midnight nimbus]

bc it's not true hipfire

[sweet pawn]

*what

[midnight nimbus]

it's still technically "ADS"

[sweet pawn]

I tried to kill someone at 10m with a MG-42, not happening

[hazy wasp]

ALso, wheres Recons Grapple hooks god dammit

[stoic breach]

Yeah but its easier to say "hipfire" and just assume you're making it as optimal as possible in that situation

[hazy wasp]

Medics get the most points per class role specific jobs right?

[sweet pawn]

idk

[stoic breach]

If the Boys AT had really shitty "faux Ads" then it wouldnt have that as an "alt fire"

[hazy wasp]

100 revive, 200 squad revive + whatever you get from heals right

[stoic breach]

And you would be permanently locked to bipodding

[sweet pawn]

oh yeah huh

they do get a hella big amount of points

[hazy wasp]

I'd bump other classes specific points gathering

[stoic breach]

I like the way the Boys AT hipfire is now

Cause it does let you be aggressive in CQB

[sweet pawn]

like for recon spotting, for support suppression

[hazy wasp]

at least basic spotting to 10 points instead of 5

[sweet pawn]

yeah

[stoic breach]

@midnight nimbus

[hazy wasp]

spotting used to be 10 i think for recons..

BF3,4?

[sweet pawn]

i think so

[midnight nimbus]

yeah I like good hipfire too

[sweet pawn]

unless it was across all classes

[stoic breach]

Hello shane

[sweet pawn]

hi shane

[hazy wasp]

welcome

[sweet pawn]

bye shane

[stoic breach]

Yeah, nerfing the Boys AT would do more harm than good

Cause reducing it's max damage range would make people camp in buildings with it more

[hazy wasp]

people will forget about it in a week hoenstly

if youa re playing recon properly its super inefficient

[stoic breach]

And reducing its close range damage and turning it into a sweet spot would make people camp on hills more

[hazy wasp]

and even if you are cmaping you need to be within 100m for effctiveness

[gray glade]

stop spamming shane

[midnight nimbus]

Boys AT/MMG hipfire spread is calculated the same way as old BF3/4 hipfire spread

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

so it's deceptively good

[gray glade]

just stop

[stoic breach]

Thats interesting

[midnight nimbus]

distributed over the spread radius, not the entire spread circle

[hazy wasp]

someone else is impersonating

[stoic breach]

Shane this is #battlefield-legacy-titles

[midnight nimbus]

BFV hipfire is kinda shitty in general

[hazy wasp]

or hes alting idk

[midnight nimbus]

prolly the weakest hipfire in awhile

[gray glade]

ah yeah, there are 2 shanes

[hazy wasp]

@solid hinge

[stoic breach]

Yeah that's probably the best call

And the stuff about the hipfire is interesting

Cause I dont know about the specific calculations and shit

[hazy wasp]

Yo Toast are you normally a recon btw in terms of bolts?

[west lodge]

no datamining on pure stats?

[hazy wasp]

or do you just dip in and out

[stoic breach]

I'm not sure what you mean

[hazy wasp]

whats your primary class basically

[stoic breach]

I dont really have a primary class

[hazy wasp]

ah

that explains the bolt comment earlier 😛

[stoic breach]

My top class is medic though cause if nothing is happening I just default to trying to revive people

Lol

My top class in BF1 was scout though

[minor gale]

Wilhelm or Hanna?

[hazy wasp]

both

[minor gale]

oof

[west lodge]

yes

[hazy wasp]

you know this in your heart

[scenic beacon]

considering its the same account, this shane tribe or whatever is just a ton of split personalities lmao

[hazy wasp]

I drunk bought Earnst on the weekend so im already in the hole for 2 skins lol

[stoic breach]

I honestly dont know how my top weapon in BFV is the Kar98 though

[scenic beacon]

okay, stop the spam

[hazy wasp]

hi guys im blocked

[west lodge]

hI ShAne I'm dAd

oh rip

[stoic breach]

Clear skies

[hazy wasp]

Try the Lee Enfield with a 3x for the Recon next time you dabble Toast

[hazy wasp]

pretty sweet

[hybrid dragon]

[stoic breach]

Idk, I still think its the worst bolt in the game

When I tried Lee Enfield I used iron sights

[dense cloud]

I am new and trying to level up Recon. T_T

[hazy wasp]

so did i and then I used it a lot, I mean A LOT

[stoic breach]

If I wanna snipe with 3x scope I switch to medic and use the Tromboncino

Its just that the Lee Enfield doesnt do a good job outside of mid range

[hazy wasp]

i mean I posted that vid of me clearing the objective with the LE the other night, that thing rinses people

[stoic breach]

Long range I just used the Kar98 and now Boys AT

Haha

[dense cloud]

How do you unlock the Boys AT?

[stoic breach]

Pain and suffering

[hazy wasp]

do Tides of War for this week or wait until Thursday and pay 1700cc

[stoic breach]

Honestly just wait unless you care about your chapter rank

[hazy wasp]

god damn firestorm challenges this week ugh

the chapter XP this seasons eems to be goign slower on normal games for me

[stoic breach]

Yeah

This latest patch has been a bit buggy as well

I think I've been lucky not to be affected by it

[hazy wasp]

worse i have seen is the usual BF Stutter you get whent he engine isn;t stable

which is annoying but not really game breaking if you have played BF for years

[stoic breach]

Yeah running a Panzer IV with constant stuttering is annoying cause I use Pak 40 on it

But its great going 33-0 so it didnt matter too much

But its great going 33-0 so it didnt matter too much

[hazy wasp]

if you use the correct camo btw you can totally still sneak around and hide with the new visibility

[stoic breach]

Yeah

I dont worry too much about camo, especially since spot flares just negate that

[midnight nimbus]

virgin stealth tanking

[stoic breach]

@hazy wasp Have you tried the Tromboncino for medic?

[midnight nimbus]

chad kill everything tanking

[stoic breach]

Oh Kht

[dense cloud]

How do you unlock the Tromboncino?

[stoic breach]

I had a blast camping the resupply with a friendly Tiger

That shit was the best

The Tromboncino you buy now

1700cC

[midnight nimbus]

i love maps where i can shell objs from the resupply

I kinda miss Fortress for that

[fallow hawk]

So uh, I just started the game again

[midnight nimbus]

on Hamada, you can just destroy A from uncap

[stoic breach]

Watching multiple assaults and supports run towards me and forget about the Tiger, or rush the Tiger and forget about me

[fallow hawk]

Anyone got a good guide for bf4?

[dense bone]

buy bfv

[midnight nimbus]

@fallow hawk

1. whore attack heli
2. zouzou all corners
3. microburst

done

oh and use Hawk 12G

[rose pilot]

yes https://gfycat.com/AdventurousWarlikeEstuarinecrocodile

[stoic breach]

Farming people trying to use the 6pdr as well

It was Twisted Steel at the D flag resupply as well

[midnight nimbus]

one shotting people on stationaries >>>>

[fallow hawk]

No idea what they are lol @midnight nimbus

I'm pretty new

[midnight nimbus]

oh i don't play CQ

just jump everywhere and click fast

that's BF4

[stoic breach]

Breakthrough isnt active in OCE

[midnight nimbus]

infy at least

[stoic breach]

And its tank battles week

[hazy wasp]

@stoic breach haven;t been medicing a lot recently

[stoic breach]

So I might as well just fuck around either with a tank or with the Boys AT

If you use the Tromboncino for medic you will just never use recon bolts again

Fully upgraded, it has the option of a 3x scope, with 100rpm straight pull

No scope glint

[weak violet]

I would use it if I could actually hit shots

[stoic breach]

Headshots up to like 75m

[weak violet]

But I can't hit headshots

[hazy wasp]

yeah the scope glint is dumb

[stoic breach]

Grenade launcher

[weak violet]

So Boys AT rifle for me

[hazy wasp]

if recons have it everyone should

[stoic breach]

I can hit headshots easily so I use the Tromboncino

[weak violet]

If I can't hit headshots i might sometimes hit bodyshots

[stoic breach]

Scope glint should be there along with sweet spots

[weak violet]

I have only hit 5 headshots with recon

2 were with the Boys AT rifle

[hazy wasp]

nah sweet spots was bad honestly

[midnight nimbus]

Tromboncino one shot headshot is like 50m

[weak violet]

My recon is level 15 btw

[stoic breach]

Boys AT campers have taught me to actually take enemy recons seriously

[midnight nimbus]

no sweet spot was based af

[hazy wasp]

was out of line with the language of how BF always played

[stoic breach]

50m still is decent

[midnight nimbus]

incorrect opinions can go below

[stoic breach]

Hahaha

True confidence

50m headshot is still good considering its the range where you actually want to be to frag

@weak violet Recon was the second class I max ranked

[slow cradle]

Shitty recons are just having their moment of fun until their toy gets nerfed

[stoic breach]

Why should the Boys AT get nerfed

[weak violet]

I maxed Medic, support, assault and am currently trying to max recon

[stoic breach]

Its balanced as it is

[hazy wasp]

the Boys rifle isn;t that good lol

[weak violet]

I mean it is perfect for me

Since I love hitting bodyshots

[stoic breach]

Recons actually scaring people and making them afraid to move carelessly around the map

[hazy wasp]

I can get 2 kills for each bolt cycle of the Boys

[stoic breach]

Very positive addition

[weak violet]

I mean I can only hit bodyshots

[hazy wasp]

thats fair

if you have the sniper role equipped you are also spotting people

[weak violet]

Other then on dudes randomly proning in front of me and giving me 5 secs to actually hit there head

[hazy wasp]

im the breed of dudes that shoots people out of moving vehicles lol

[weak violet]

Trust me I am good guys

[stoic breach]

Boys AT is super easy to counter as well

[weak violet]

Just don't get hit lol

[hazy wasp]

https://gfycat.com/pepperyreliablehorseshoecrab proof of statement

[midnight nimbus]

just play tank

you don't die to Boys

ez

[stoic breach]

Yeah

Easy to counter

Although I've killed 3 tanks already with the Boys cause I actually know how to use it

But most people dont and probably never will

[weak violet]

I have killed a plane with it

Because screw planes and the pilots who fly them

[stoic breach]

Hahaha

[midnight nimbus]

I don't get the headshot purism of BF players

[weak violet]

I just care about killing planes

[midnight nimbus]

bolts will never be effective without some kind of OHK bodyshot ability

[weak violet]

Screw headshots

Just bring down those hecks

[hazy wasp]

headshots are life

[midnight nimbus]

just use Staghound

staghound is the best AA tank

[weak violet]

hmmm

Really?

[hazy wasp]

even with knives headshots are life https://gfycat.com/absolutecarefreeangelwingmussel

Staghound can wreck planes

[midnight nimbus]

yeah actual AA tanks suck

[hazy wasp]

saw a dude just chase downa bomber with one

[weak violet]

I just camp the enemy air resupply area with my AA

Then I watch and wait and see all the planes come over and die

Because screw em

[midnight nimbus]

Ju-88 though 💦

I hope they add the B-29 Superfortress

I'll actually start flying for that

[hazy wasp]

Man I'd not be shocked by a V2 or Nuke level Squad call in

V2 being an ICBM

[stoic breach]

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/razephobos/video/75270395

@hazy wasp I have this old shot

From BF1

[solid hinge]

Wilhelm Franke lookin like a fuckin Sith Lord

[stoic breach]

A headshot clip

Lord Wilhelm

[gray glade]

i think its safe to say we wont ever get a character with a moustasche :/

[stoic breach]

[gray glade]

i dont mean like a thin tidy one

[scenic beacon]

Just give us Von Stroheim already

[gray glade]

i want a thick one, like tom selleck or stalin

[stoic breach]

Or Gunter

From the reveal trailer

[gray glade]

i'd pay for an elite character like dat

[hazy wasp]

nice shot man

They better add a 'totally not Indiana Jones' skin

[gray glade]

whip melee?

[solid hinge]

im happy with it, its well made

[hazy wasp]

Whip Melee

also ability to pick up your hat if it gets knocked off

[gray glade]

and it makes the KA-TISH sound

[hazy wasp]

what other WW2 centric elites can we think of?

think movies or something

[weak violet]

I hope they fix the broken upgrade for the Boys AT Rifle

[solid hinge]

not from recent pop culture

[weak violet]

Because I want to harass those planes better, more damage to vehicles

I am using the Boys AT Rifle as a AA gun

[stoic breach]

Ardaam I watched your clips as well and shit like that is super satisfying

[weak violet]

Love shooting the engine of a bomber in a dive and watching him crash into the ground

[stoic breach]

Hahahaha

That's beautiful

[scenic beacon]

shotgun it

[formal valve]

I Iove bolt actions so much

[stoic breach]

I'm honestly glad no one knows how to use the Boys AT at full power

[weak violet]

I mean Ravic used a shotgun against a plane and killed it

[formal valve]

Hol up

[weak violet]

Freaking ravic

[hazy wasp]

ah the Wagon snipe? yup

[stoic breach]

Cause standing behind a tank and dealing like 70 damage with the Boys is brilliant

Yeah

[formal valve]

‘Scuse me?

[solid hinge]

but I would be surprised if auidi murphy didn't make it for the pacific dlc

[weak violet]

But really shooting down planes is great

[stoic breach]

And then actually killing a tank with the Boys using positioning

[hazy wasp]

I think only in the last few weeks in BFV have i gotten back to my Battlefield legs sorta deal

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[weak violet]

Shooting vehicles and infantry is disgusting

Shooting planes down is where it is at

[hazy wasp]

i think we need more clear notifications we have done certain damage to vehicles

Plane combat feels fucky

[stoic breach]

Well it is pretty clear when I deal 70-90 instead of 6

[hazy wasp]

we need a super in our face message '@WING damaged, engine damaged etc

[solid hinge]

he was the guy that john wayne modeled himself on .. the original gun ho assault marine in the pacific

[gray glade]

you mean when we get hit ourselves?

[hazy wasp]

Also when people suicide in planes, GIVE ME THE DAMN KILL

[stoic breach]

Lol

[hazy wasp]

I have missed out on 137+ kills in Aircraft due to suicides

[gray glade]

lol

[hazy wasp]

I started countign because it was insane

[stoic breach]

Yeah it be like that

[hazy wasp]

die like a man god dammit

[gray glade]

they could definately do like quake champions does, if you shoot someone and he falls / jumps outside the map you get a kill for it

[stoic breach]

Yea

Seriously you gotta try the Tromboncino though

[hazy wasp]

im pretty sure BF4 gave you the kill anyway

[stoic breach]

And the Boys AT

[weak violet]

Guys I have a exploit that makes you not die

Just don't spawn in

[hazy wasp]

I;d have all my planes levelled up 3 quicker if it wasn;t for that crap

[scenic beacon]

genius

[weak violet]

They can't kill you if you are not spawned in

[stoic breach]

👽

[weak violet]

This will be revolutionary to the battlefield meta

Just imagine whole teams not spawning in

[hazy wasp]

If they do bad company 3 and we have a desert map with a cave system you should be able to sneak into a hidden bunker with your squad and steal a Mark I Iron Man suit to run around in

[midnight nimbus]

man Fortress was actually so good when i had a friend on the enemy team

they Ju-88 my team

i valentine their team

a true social contract

woke: only killing infantry

[stoic breach]

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/razephobos/video/75270995

Tromboncino ptfo

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/razephobos/video/75271018

Upgraded hipfire as well

Truly the best aggressive bolt action in the game

And for medics as well

Infinite regen

[hazy wasp]

rapid hipfiring a bolt action into someone feels so disrespectful

[stoic breach]

But it feels so powerful

[hazy wasp]

its like lying down next to a recon before knifing them

[stoic breach]

Well its effective

[hazy wasp]

hey whatcha thinkin about? Headshots?

[stoic breach]

Just a slow DMR

[hazy wasp]

STABB

[stoic breach]

😩

Yeah hitting someone directly with the grenade launcher thats attached is hilarious as well

[hazy wasp]

actually, this is the most disrespectful one

[weak violet]

When you get rammed by a plane as a infantry

[hazy wasp]

https://gfycat.com/regularpoliteanhinga

its not the first kill

[weak violet]

God help me

[stoic breach]

Im gonna watch it hang on

[weak violet]

These planes are ramming me when I am on a AA gun

The levels of pettiness to ram a AA gun

[stoic breach]

Hahaha throwing knife kills are entertaining

[hazy wasp]

that was directly after the first throwing knife clip i posted earlier

I hope they were in different squads and not communicating because if they went hunting the guy who throwing knife killed a dude across that barn wtf did they think was gonna happen when im at Point blank range lol

[stoic breach]

Yea

Yea

[solid hinge]

What revolver does Hanna Delacroix have holstered?

[stoic breach]

I'm trying to remember if I have any high sensitivity knife clips

Idk

Shit im gonna sleep

Zzz

[gray glade]

nn bro

[coral fiber]

Who fucking rams a plane to an AA gun lol

Meanwhile i have hopes of DICE LA fixing V

[rocky sparrow]

wtf i just upgraded my Boys AT Rifle with the APCR Bullets and that should do more damage against vehicles, but now i does nothing. Zero damage

[coral fiber]

It's bugged don't use it

[rocky sparrow]

ffs XD

[untold cliff]

wrong chat tho

[carmine eagle]

What

[formal valve]

Got damnit dice

[carmine eagle]

What’s happening?

[formal valve]

Why you gotta put the Kriegsmarine Dagger I wanted behind a paywall with wilhelm

Reeeeeee

[carmine eagle]

...?

[unique crater]

How do you earn BFC without paying?

[fathom pebble]

easy answer

you don't

[unique crater]

Wtf so they convert half of the armory to a pay wall

[scenic beacon]

those are just skins

[crimson mural]

cough give boins to deluxe edition owners cough

[icy sluice]

I think Deluxe Edition owners should get early access to maps

[solid hinge]

been playing with the new elites, they are worth the money

and yes I actually bought mine

[scenic beacon]

which one would you say is more worth it? Just personal preference between the two

[solid hinge]

hanna

[scenic beacon]

huh

[solid hinge]

beyond the obvious, her in game voice is very cool

[scenic beacon]

all french?

[solid hinge]

like .. not always

just tons of attitude

[scenic beacon]

if i did have money, i'd probably buy em

[coral fiber]

Not interested in the new elites

Bought Ernst tho and i don't regret buying him

[solid hinge]

thats my point

they are worth it, not advocating any one

I JUST GOT AN AMAZING IDEA

You know how vehicle operators in wars have family pics right?

What if we

Can add our own photos

It can be serious

[torpid wharf]

Unbalanced bs

[solid hinge]

But it could also be a meme

[crisp dagger]

Anyone have an issue with getting The Last Tiger skin? It says i have 6/6 on the checklist but at the bottom it says 0/6 (for the letters) Edit: Do you know how to fix it lol

[gray glade]

maybe you have that bug?

there used to be a bug where you didnt get the skin even though you did all the challenges and collec t all the letters

[weary apex]

yh

[gray glade]

somebody in this discord solved it by contacting ea support and they added the skin to his armory once they saw that he should have access to it @crisp dagger

[crisp dagger]

Alright ill give that a shot, thank you

[weary apex]

here try this:

https://forums.battlefield.com/en-us/discussion/161355/campaign-challenges-doesnt-count

someone responded down the page

[scenic beacon]

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[junior mist]

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[weary apex]

i tried it and it worked

[scenic beacon]

try that

[icy sluice]

Hanna's Voice Lines
https://youtu.be/AdFOnIewhi0

Wilhelm's Voice Lines
https://youtu.be/dMisJzKa1eA

[crisp dagger]

Thank you guys

[weary apex]

nw

[fathom pebble]

@icy sluice tbh the phantom of the opera guy voice sounds like ernst

now the grill voice true frenchie there

[icy sluice]

I'll show you a Frenchie 💋

[hazy wasp]

*when you stand in the middle of the firefight and look at your team feebily retreating

shakes head in veteran

[icy sluice]

tmw a Recon revives his Assault squadmate after killing the 4 guys that killed the weak Assault

[formal valve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/bu5lxc/community_broadcast_updates_on_pit_crew_and_game/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app LMAO

So you accidentally had the wrong rarity values for like 5-6 skins?

I call absolute bullshit

[solid hinge]

oh come on

[formal valve]

I saw this coming

[solid hinge]

that's really what they're going with huh

[formal valve]

Yep

[solid hinge]

[formal valve]

not like this

[solid hinge]

They removed frontlines

Are you fucking kidding me

[formal valve]

What?!

It’s still there....

[formal valve]

Wow

[solid hinge]

let's ensure we add to the fun by removing playlists

look it's not my fault your game sucks so much that you can't retain a playerbase

please dont remove my favourite mode

goddamn this sucks to wake up to

im going back to sleep

[icy sluice]

People were too busy playing the limited time mode to really play Frontlines

I am even surprised it made it into V seeing as though not too many people played it in 1.

[formal valve]

I’m angry about the pit crew thing

That is absolute bullshit

[midnight nimbus]

it was actually good in BF1

[icy sluice]

I understand the pit crew thing

[solid hinge]

make limited time modes
Haha wow people aren't playing other modes they must suck

[tawdry nest]

Wasn't frontline the flagship of the series apart from the standard conquest?

[solid hinge]

[formal valve]

We all know it wasn’t an erro

[icy sluice]

Nope, it was a dlc gamemode which started in Battlefield 1

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 FL 😩😩😩

good memories

[icy sluice]

The maps were practically made for Frontlines tho

[formal valve]

If it was an error why would you keep it in the game for A MONTH AND A HALF

[midnight nimbus]

BFV FL 🤮🤮🤮

[tawdry nest]

I thought it was the updated "operations" from bf1

[formal valve]

Like seriously?

Are they stupid?

[icy sluice]

@tawdry nest You mean Grand Operations

I like how angry people are getting over a skin ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tawdry nest]

I really haven't played this game apart from firestorm in a while haha, ty

[solid hinge]

they announced the announcement of another update on ranks

again

[formal valve]

I’m not angry over the skin

[icy sluice]

Ironically, Pit Crew may just be the ugliest skin in the game aside from the helmet

[formal valve]

I’m angry that they are lying

It’s not ugly

Because it’s a actual uniform

[tawdry nest]

It has some stand out color, which attract people i guess

[midnight nimbus]

wtf is pit crew

[formal valve]

It’s literally a real uniform

[solid hinge]

it seems very unlikely that they kept it in the game for a month and a half if it was an accident

[formal valve]

@midnight nimbus that American set for the Brits

[solid hinge]

a skin that was available to buy for cc back when cc was broke

[midnight nimbus]

I've never looked at the outfits

[icy sluice]

It's an ugly shade of yellow

[solid hinge]

now its boins only

[formal valve]

It’s not yellow

[icy sluice]

It looked like someone smeared mustard on their suit

[formal valve]

It’s brown

[midnight nimbus]

default uniform only gang

[solid hinge]

they removed it when they fixed cc

[icy sluice]

Yes, I saw someone wearing it the oter day

[formal valve]

And it’s a real American Paratrooper uniform

[icy sluice]

I really confused it with a mustard suit

[midnight nimbus]

I can't even tell what uniforms other people are wearing

[formal valve]

It doesn’t look yellow in game

It’s brown

[midnight nimbus]

the only customization that matters is making all your soldiers women

[formal valve]

....

[hazy wasp]

footstep spinds need to be fixed god dammit

[icy sluice]

One of my squad members was wearing the full Pit Crew outfit, other than the helmet it's a disgusting yellow suit

[formal valve]

....

It’s not yellow

[icy sluice]

spinds? You mean sounds?

[formal valve]

And it’s the only non elite uniform in the game that’s a real uniform

[icy sluice]

The blue overlay in the armory makes it look not yellow

[solid hinge]

tfw no fuckin frontlines

[icy sluice]

In game, it looks like a Warning Traffic Sign

I didn't save the image of my reviving him and it was the only time I saw someone wearing the uniform other than the helmet

[formal valve]

At least it’s a real outfit

[midnight nimbus]

who cares about outfits

you can't even see them

[icy sluice]

☝

[midnight nimbus]

bc you're in 1st person view

I guess you can look at your feet?

[icy sluice]

BuT If yOu LoOk DoWn aT MaX fOV

[formal valve]

Some of us like to look nice

[hazy wasp]

direct hit on stationary aa with bomber 2 damage 😦

[formal valve]

Sorry

[solid hinge]

i don't care about the outfits but i don't like that they sold something for cc when cc was broke and people couldn't buy it that is now boins only

[dusky saffron]

Fact

outfits are lit

[midnight nimbus]

you can't even see what you look like in game though

[formal valve]

Some of us like to look like actual soldiers

[midnight nimbus]

it's not like fortnite where you're in 3p

[formal valve]

Who cares?

[midnight nimbus]

I can't even see what other people look like

[icy sluice]

Imagine wearing an American outfit before they're even in the war 😩

[solid hinge]

Sometimes you ragdoll nicely when a tank blows you up

[formal valve]

I don’t wear it

[hazy wasp]

other people can see your outfits + the dsquad screen

[solid hinge]

I like looking ugly so people are forced to look at me when I bayonet them

[hazy wasp]

there is soem merit to cosmetics but other than camo they don't matter

I'd love some custom revive animations though

[formal valve]

I’m leaving this chat before I loose more brain cells

[midnight nimbus]

I just make sure 'm a woman so everyone has to listen to the screaming

[hazy wasp]

slap your buddy on the face ''up ya get''

[dusky saffron]

loose

it's too late

[formal valve]

I mute soldier audio

[dusky saffron]

why

[formal valve]

So your tactic fails

Cus I hate hearing female screams

[midnight nimbus]

also with TAA fix, all the men and women look the same anyways

[dusky saffron]

if that applies for enemy soldiers then oof

[formal valve]

Annoying as fuck

[midnight nimbus]

and all the skin tones are the same

[azure lark]

Thanks for all the good times fellas and all the debates over which medic gun is better but it's time to retire. Haven't played in forever and don't want to download the latest update.

[dusky saffron]

way to handicap yourself

[formal valve]

Doesn’t really affect it the way you may think

Foot steps sound much louder

When you have it off

[hazy wasp]

We believe that fans of Domination will be best served through Squad Conquest (which will be expanded to include Mercury, Narvik, and Devastation this Summer).

DICE you made a sensible decision

Squad Conquest is superior domination

[midnight nimbus]

what's the least authentic outfit combos for each side in BFV

[hazy wasp]

just call Squad Conquest Domination and be done with it

[midnight nimbus]

SQCQ is only good bc DOM layouts in BFV are terrible

oh and bc you can spawn trap people

ig that's kinda fun too

and tank cheese

[formal valve]

I’m just gonna block u

[hazy wasp]

lol

[midnight nimbus]

imagine not liking spawn trapping

[dusky saffron]

[formal valve]

To prevent me getting worked up over nothing

[dusky saffron]

How are the new elites

[formal valve]

Imagine not wanting a WW2 game to look the part

[solid hinge]

Dev then Fjell what a great idea for a map rotation

[tight tusk]

fjell was great for sqcq

[solid hinge]

Absolute dog shit for normal

[midnight nimbus]

well BFV doesn't look like a WW2 game in general

who cares

[tight tusk]

nah its good for normal cq as well

[digital seal]

BFV NA, Squad 2

[midnight nimbus]

I'm more pissed about the fact i can't use British tanks on the German side bc German tanks suck

[tight tusk]

lfg command

[solid hinge]

Maybe when they add Sherman tanks and more iconic shit it’ll start looking the part

[tight tusk]

if every map was as atmospheric as the last tiger itd look like a ww2 game

but otherwise nah

[solid hinge]

If the next chapter has a mosin, Springfield or arisaka then I’m gonna be happy

Even if they perform shit idc I just want them

[tight tusk]

next is chapter 4

so i doubt it

we'd get arisaka in chapter 5 i think

mosin maybe chapter 7 or 8

[drifting marsh]

moist nugget

[solid hinge]

i don't want to only play breakthrough from now on

auuugh

[formal valve]

Hanna looks cute lol

[solid hinge]

[formal valve]

[gray glade]

[jade hull]

the zh-29 is amazing holy shit

[solid hinge]

I’ve not seen anyone use the new skins yet

frontlines was the best smaller mode

[drifting marsh]

[solid hinge]

why do this

[drifting marsh]

frontline been dope since bf1

[west lodge]

i just want grind back

[jade hull]

i now like recon

[gray glade]

i say remove another mode and bring fortress back

LETS GO

[solid hinge]

zh is recons best ranged weapon

[drifting marsh]

why remove
does it really matter?...

[solid hinge]

Anyone have random problems when you get some kills with tanks and your game has a freeze for like a second

everyone does

because their game doesn't function correctly

What’s new

[west lodge]

new bugs are new

[gray glade]

@drifting marsh dice dont want too many dedicated modes lists because not enough ppl play them

thats why they removed frontlines and domination

[solid hinge]

The plane audio bug = headache

[drifting marsh]

.

and they talk about content

if they really want content
they should leave the modes the fuck alone

[solid hinge]

what 16 player modes are left

tdm

[formal valve]

SQC

[dense bone]

here i am

[midnight nimbus]

TDM is 32p

[solid hinge]

oh shit

I rarely play anything other than CQ other modes I don’t care for

[dusky saffron]

Why is dom so shit

[solid hinge]

ive never played it

[midnight nimbus]

I hope SQCQ gets populated

[dusky saffron]

[midnight nimbus]

for more spawn trapping time

[dense bone]

i love dom

[solid hinge]

removing frontlines to save grand ops LMAO

wait

[midnight nimbus]

I love DOM in non BFV games

[solid hinge]

Rsp will have frontlines right

[dusky saffron]

Grand ops rework

WHEN

[formal valve]

Imagine playing domination in a battlefield game

[solid hinge]

Think so

[dusky saffron]

[solid hinge]

Thank fuck

[frail hull]

Can you buy the boys at rifle after this week trial ends?

[dusky saffron]

yes

[formal valve]

Yes

[weak violet]

Wait will grand ops be good?

Fixing grand ops?

[solid hinge]

so i just have to not play until rsp comes back

I keep getting put on the German team I haven’t been British for the past 15 games

great

[weak violet]

Please tell me it is like BF1

[dusky saffron]

@midnight nimbus idk mang

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 domination 😩😩😩

[dusky saffron]

dom just isn't good in this series

[solid hinge]

Frontlines only in grand ops. Stop forcing that on people lol

[weak violet]

I only played operation in bf1

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 domination 😩😩😩😩😩😩😩

[weak violet]

Never played any other mode

Just operation

[midnight nimbus]

Suez and Giants Shadow were masterpieces in BF1 DOM

[solid hinge]

Only problem i have with dom is the entire map is leveled before the game is over so youre just SOL

cant they make a playlist that goes through random modes rather than removing them entirely

[icy sluice]

Hanna looks like a young Manon

[solid hinge]

If there were indestructible parts of buildings dom would be cool

[gray glade]

i wish they could make an attractive female skin :/

[drifting marsh]

indestructible? this isn't cod

[gray glade]

just my humble opinion! dont hate

[weak violet]

Reee

[solid hinge]

Attractive females in war?

[drifting marsh]

where things are made of diamond

[icy sluice]

Manon on top and Hanna on the bottom
https://66.media.tumblr.com/32ffaecd4ad7c4086d9bb14a23de84b7/tumblr_n6xz35b7Cy1qk4adyo1_540.jpg
https://i.redd.it/0sfkd9llfz031.jpg

[midnight nimbus]

I wish wall penetration worked properly, like it does in CoD

[icy sluice]

hard to find a good picture of a Protagonist of an old FPS game

[drifting marsh]

@midnight nimbus it's enough that objects are destroyed

bullets go though them and kill already lol

[midnight nimbus]

yeah destruction is often excessive imo

[icy sluice]

Okay, a better picture of Manon
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DLwI2QxKFho/hqdefault.jpg

[midnight nimbus]

it doesn't actually make gameplay better a lot of the time

but proper wall pen is nice

CoD does it well

[solid hinge]

Fucking love elites in Bf5

They’re meh

[gray glade]

did dice remove mmg ability of destroying sandbags?

[icy sluice]

No, you can do it

I do it all the time

[gray glade]

i keep firing at them but nothing

[solid hinge]

Melee weapons they get are pretty boring just different dagger/knife each time

[drifting marsh]

fuck cod

[solid hinge]

^

I guess but at least you have an opinion on it

[drifting marsh]

not even woods are destroyed

[solid hinge]

xD

[drifting marsh]

[solid hinge]

I mean to me it depends on the cod

Black ops 1 and MW- 1-2 yes

Rest eeeeeeeh

This isnt cod but dom is a cod game mode

[drifting marsh]

eeeeee

[midnight nimbus]

CoD does a lot of things very right

[icy sluice]

Remember that the Pickaxe, Hatchet, Fire Axe and Fire Rake can all break the wooden window barricades

[midnight nimbus]

and domination is common in like all FPS games

[drifting marsh]

dom is cool in other bf games too

[midnight nimbus]

it's fundamentally better than like CQ

[solid hinge]

That you are right

I mean Im glad bf has dom too so you can have a diffrent feel with it

Cod does it right aswell i play it mostly

[midnight nimbus]

SQCQ is just DOM with more spawn trapping and a couple of tanks

[solid hinge]

Truth

[drifting marsh]

[gray glade]

bring back 64 player tdm i say

like bf4 had

[drifting marsh]

cries in squad rush

[solid hinge]

Ooooof

Khorney hitting roots

[drifting marsh]

i mean squad deathmatch

[solid hinge]

Bf3-4 tdm^

[gray glade]

yeah

[midnight nimbus]

even BF1 TDM was dank

[gray glade]

those were the best of times

[midnight nimbus]

Suez TDM was 👌

not as good as Noshahr obvi

[solid hinge]

First DM i ever played in bf was back on bf3 ps3

I’ve completely forgotten the names of bf1 maps

[gray glade]

shanghai tdm was kinda broken with bipods tho

[solid hinge]

Fucking grade A+

[hazy wasp]

it'd be cool if they made smaller operations with the small scale modes

''Secret Operations/Special operations''

[solid hinge]

I want to see that too Ardaam dont you worry my dude

[gray glade]

i remember getting like 55 kills in a row with bipodded mg4 cuz in tdm on shanghai you could camp their spawn from the other side of the map

[midnight nimbus]

Noshahr TDM was such a masterpiece

in every way

it's truly one of the crown jewels of BF

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pit crew skin is a bug and not intended

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24/7 noshahr💦

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Mine was more M4 or m60 or m249

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with lots of badmins

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@gray glade

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XD

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Best combo

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m249 was very similar to mg4 i feel

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Right? LOL

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they're basically the same gun

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M60 was more my thing it just felt good using it

[gray glade]

m60 was nice at range

nice sound too

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MG4 was just a better M249