battlefield-legacy-titles

[warm atlas]

Yeah, I use the one on the Valentine. Was very disappointed. @midnight nimbus

[midnight nimbus]

RIP Valentine AA

[weak violet]

Usually I get more points in the light support and always get the most heals and resupplys

[midnight nimbus]

used to be glorious for awhile

the BFV light tank autocannons suck now too

[warm atlas]

):

[midnight nimbus]

too bad the DICE vehicle design ethos in BFV is just like "nerf everything that's fun to use against infy"

[solid hinge]

I think the light tanks deserve some love

[midnight nimbus]

yeah they're awful rn

except against airplanes

[warm atlas]

They do. I like being a nimble boy.

[solid hinge]

I do think they were the best choice before but they've nerfed them super hard

[midnight nimbus]

where they're unironically better against planes than the AA tanks

[warm atlas]

The PIAT has better damage against infantry than most tanks

[solid hinge]

20mm should damage tanks

[midnight nimbus]

yeah 20mm isn't even that good against infy anymore

and has an unpleasant amount of screen shake

[solid hinge]

reduce screen shake and buff damage

[midnight nimbus]

needs a lot more blast damage for autocannons

so it can actually do something

[polar totem]

I still find it hilarious that after 3 different battlefield games, the frictionless guy glitch is still around

[midnight nimbus]

> 20 blast damage
> 400 RPM

literally does nothing against armor

epic af

takes forever to kill infy with too

[polar totem]

They don't want a bf4 situation again

[midnight nimbus]

unless you direct impact

[polar totem]

I would assume

[solid hinge]

Now you say 20 mm should damage tanks? I’ve been saying that since it was nerfed

[warm atlas]

Can kill infantry better with AA cannons.

[solid hinge]

Smh

[midnight nimbus]

AA cannons are shit against infy too

blast damage is just so low

and the radius is tiny

[solid hinge]

They should be

[polar totem]

Cause they're meant for planes

[solid hinge]

^

tfw 20mm cannon is a 3 shot while boys is a 1 shot

Also it’s still easy to kill infantry with AA

[midnight nimbus]

no its dumb af

[solid hinge]

Anti-plane rounds should be pretty good against infantry no?

[midnight nimbus]

because when you're not shooting planes

you should be able to help and contribute

instead of sitting around and being useless

[polar totem]

They're meant for damaging parts of planes due to their weaker armor

Like the wings or engine

[midnight nimbus]

AA cannons almost need to direct impact in BFV

and they're shit against planes too

[solid hinge]

If you can’t kill infantry with a high speed splash damage projectile

Smh

It’s easy

[midnight nimbus]

dude

[solid hinge]

people on modes with no planes frequently use the flakpanzer and its fucking useless

[midnight nimbus]

the splash is like nonexistent

it's not that much bigger than the Boys splash radius

[solid hinge]

Just be more accurate

[polar totem]

I don't play bfv so don't quote me on that

[midnight nimbus]

I'm a plenty accurate player

it's just not that effective

[solid hinge]

if they aren't gonna make the tank spawns gated to vehicle type then improve the effectiveness of the shit ones

[midnight nimbus]

inner blast radius is like 0.5m

[solid hinge]

Be more accurate

[midnight nimbus]

and blast radius sucks

and your raw damage when direct impacting sucks

[polar totem]

I'm wondering if they should just reimplement the vehicle spawn system from bf4 into bf5

[midnight nimbus]

basically just using a less accurate and slower firing semi

might as well just spawn literally anything else rn

[solid hinge]

Everyone is playing assault with the StG these days.... no variety

or lewis guns

Gets boring idk how y’all would play with that gun so much

Lewis isn’t as bad tho on Xbox for me at least

StG is literally like every other player

[random rock]

I've been trying to gold it because I didn't touch it until recently, and it's basically an easy noob weapon.

[solid hinge]

I could close my eyes and tell you when the StG is firing at me

That’s true it is super easy

[strong parrot]

is it like an ak47?

[solid hinge]

I’d rather use semis tho

[random rock]

no it has no recoil

[solid hinge]

I like precision

[midnight nimbus]

#BringBackBetaStG

[random rock]

it's more like the ACR from mw2

I'll probably switch to 1907 once I finish mastery VII

[solid hinge]

Y’all feel like this week is a little like

Stale

that's more like

every week

Idk nothing feels too fun

because the game lacks content

[random rock]

yh. It's all predictable cheese

[solid hinge]

That’s true but this week just feels worse to me

no game in 2019 is supposed to go this long without any new maps

Prob the ToW nodes

[midnight nimbus]

idc I think the amount of content is fine

[random rock]

I think it's because of tow yh

[midnight nimbus]

the quality just kinda sucks

there's enough guns tbh

[solid hinge]

the guns are fine

please no more guns

we need fucking maps

[midnight nimbus]

no more SMGs pls

[solid hinge]

No we really need more maps

we need gameplay variety

Not 1 map next week

[midnight nimbus]

unless it's a RSC SMG esque gun

need a few more semis

[solid hinge]

Like 4 maps next month

4?

wot

i thought it was 1 per month

[midnight nimbus]

we need actual good maps

[random rock]

I thought it was only 2

[solid hinge]

or is that when the turd mode no one asked for is coming?

That’s what we need

yeah that's what we really fucking need

[midnight nimbus]

> Mercury inspired by Altai Range and Monte Grappa
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[solid hinge]

Smh

[midnight nimbus]

just reskin Noshahr Canals pls

[solid hinge]

i get sick to my stomach thinking of playing hamada

i have a question im not sure how to seek help for it? i did not recieve any bf coins after the last asssignment i completed

i shit you not, i was already tired of it when i was only 50 hours into the game

the map is that bad

[midnight nimbus]

reskin like all the BFH maps

they're actually good

and pretty

and have good visibility

[solid hinge]

Honestly, I would not ducking care if they copied and pasted all BF1 dlc maps to BFV

[midnight nimbus]

and good layouts

[solid hinge]

ducking

i wouldnt either

anything is better than this

Those were sooo good

Tsar and TSNP

[midnight nimbus]

nothing compares to BF3/BFH maps

[solid hinge]

??

[midnight nimbus]

BF3 CQ DLC

😋😋😋

[solid hinge]

isn't that the 5v5 dlc

Didn’t play BF3 😬

BF2142 Northern Strike

[midnight nimbus]

also best part of BF3 CQ DLC

NO CONQUEST

[solid hinge]

boo

[midnight nimbus]

well there was conquest domination

[solid hinge]

why

[midnight nimbus]

but that was actually good

[solid hinge]

wasnt conquest back then actually good?

i really enjoy 4 conquest

[midnight nimbus]

yeah but it's still conquest

[solid hinge]

Sitting on spawn screen on Hamada CQ..... I honestly don’t even wanna spawn in

conquest is great

when it's not v conquest

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 Chain Link is like Conquest but without all the garbage of Conquest

it's like a back and forth Breakthrough almost

or frontlines with multiple points

just kill conquest and use chain link already

man the BF3 Close Quarters maps are just masterpieces

[solid hinge]

How the fuck can I get enemy hit 237 on one enemy

[strong parrot]

Score..uhh...finds a way

[solid hinge]

what to do if you finished assignment and no bf coins recieved?

You add it to the list of things dice fucked you over with

thats crazy

i paid 150 for this game

lmao

[sterile ledge]

u took the biggest L of 2019 for spending 150 on this game

[solid hinge]

Why would you ever pay that much

[strong parrot]

maybe hes from Aussie land

[solid hinge]

150 is still way too much

[strong parrot]

also you finished an assignment...and didnt get any company coin?

[rotund sentinel]

I've only been using the AT gun on infantries b/c it really does no damage at all to panzers with the APCR specialization

[solid hinge]

It's busted

[upper dew]

Remaster

[rotund sentinel]

A lot of sparkles on impact but no damage

Guess they haven't decided how much damage a hand held AP gun should inflict before releasing the update

[solid hinge]

Same as the trombone upgraded grenade

@formal valve i found out how to fix the last tiger skin bug

[formal valve]

How?

[solid hinge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/a3ji19/fix_for_the_last_tiger_glitch_on_xbox/

I havent completely tried it myself yet

like

I havent actually like did everything in the game to see if it gives the skin

but the replies say it works

also, i can approve that it actually does work

like it resets the challenges

so you can do it again

but i havent seen if it actually gives the skin

[formal valve]

Ok

Thanks

[strong parrot]

mhm back to back knife kills after a revolver kill

ill take that ez 3 man

[solid hinge]

is BF5 working well for u guys. the game crashed me 7 times today

This game has absolutely no team balancing

yesterday was woeking perfect

This is such a joke

working*

[midnight nimbus]

I saw an irl V-1 today

kinda disappointed in how small it is

[vestal locust]

Small things come with a big punch

[tribal cairn]

I mean, it actually depends if they scaled it down for display, or if it's the real deal, but despite it's size, it was pretty powerful

[midnight nimbus]

V-1 didn't even have that much explosive power

[tribal cairn]

For the time.

And let's not go over payload

This was an electronically guided missile,

[midnight nimbus]

<2000lb warhead

[tribal cairn]

A cruise missile

And that's impressive for the time It was made in

Which, did you know Germany actually had it's own atomic project?

UranProjekt

1939

[solid hinge]

My favorite games are the ones where you get spawn killed immediately anywhere you spawn, even home spawn. When it’s 15 v 30 and the game decides to fill the enemy team before anyone joins your team.

[midnight nimbus]

20v32 Aerodrome BT when you're the 20 and attacking is unironically the ideal setup

less teammates to steal your kills

not a ton of infantry to cap flags, so the game actually drags on and you have more time to farm

[solid hinge]

That’s assuming teammates can even get kills

[analog mirage]

I want BF1 music in BF5.

[solid hinge]

^

[tribal cairn]

You care more about kills than the objective?

[midnight nimbus]

duh

I play FPS to shoot people

[analog mirage]

Me too.

[midnight nimbus]

first and foremost

[analog mirage]

Wow.

[solid hinge]

Just saw a guy with a gold Boys hip firing people like its CoD I’m so done

There’s not enough brain cells per server to play objective

[tribal cairn]

I like killing too, but I also care about winning.

[solid hinge]

Nah

[midnight nimbus]

objectives are just a means to force people to shoot each other

[tribal cairn]

30 kills and 8 deaths doesn't mean you win the game

[solid hinge]

Those are easy stats to boost

[midnight nimbus]

i'd rather go 70-0 and lose than 30-10 and win

[solid hinge]

Win percentage doesn’t mean anything given the quality of bfv players

[analog mirage]

Gets 24 kills 6325 score

[tribal cairn]

So Ironically, Im the only guy here who is a team player.

[midnight nimbus]

also optimal winning strategies aren't that fun most the time

[tribal cairn]

In a Battlefield community

[midnight nimbus]

unless you're tank farming

[tribal cairn]

Huh, this is really starting to sound like call of duty

[solid hinge]

I’m a team player, but I can only do so much when my teammates are handicapped

[midnight nimbus]

good, CoD is a fun shooting experience

[analog mirage]

BF5 is duller in my opinion to BF1.

Agree?

[tribal cairn]

Newer Call of Duties suck ass.

[solid hinge]

Battlefield not have team work? What’s new

Like I revive so much but if you’re gonna run under the treads of a tank then fuck you

[midnight nimbus]

i play to win hard in BF1

BFV idrc

[analog mirage]

Yes.

I agree fully.

[midnight nimbus]

I play BFV to farm or grief

[analog mirage]

I play for epic moments

[solid hinge]

I’m only here for good cosmetics

[tribal cairn]

I play both BFV and BF1 to win

[solid hinge]

Tbh

[tribal cairn]

Any battlefield game

I play to win

[analog mirage]

5 shotgun kill streak...

[solid hinge]

And pretty graphics

I just play coz I’m bored as fuck

[midnight nimbus]

I play BFV for maximum cheese and making other people as miserable as possible

kinda like BF4

[strong parrot]

remind me to leave what ever server youre on :^)

[tribal cairn]

Unless I want to be a twat and use a shotgun or sniper rifle from over 500 meters away

[analog mirage]

That happens.

500 meter shotgun snipe.

[tribal cairn]

No, it's what I do when I feel absolutely bored

[midnight nimbus]

BFV explosive spam potential is so much better than BF1 mmmmmmmm

[tribal cairn]

BF4 explosive spam

Beat it.

[analog mirage]

No.

[midnight nimbus]

BF3 was better

because ammo boxes stacked

[analog mirage]

BF1 was the best.

[midnight nimbus]

so if you sit by 2-3 ammo boxes you can play grenade only

[analog mirage]

Airships.

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 explosive spam potential for infantry was kinda low compared to BF3/4/V

I never run ammo in BF4

XM25 + Mortar only

mmmmmmmm

[solid hinge]

If BF1 has cosmetics I’d be playing that game hands fucking down

Had

[analog mirage]

I read that with had the first time

[solid hinge]

I wrote it with had but autocorrect

Lol

[tribal cairn]

Well, on about Battlefield, I say support is the most versatile class, however depends on the game.

[solid hinge]

I usually dig medic

[tribal cairn]

Medic is also up there

[solid hinge]

Ye

[tribal cairn]

Medic and Support are my most played

[solid hinge]

I like a good amount of recon

But assault is not my thing at all

It feels too generic like any other FPS

[analog mirage]

Assault, Combat Medic (ree), shotgun spam.

[tribal cairn]

Well, Assault is good for cheesing the enemy team if you happen to be in a close quarters map

[solid hinge]

Why cant this game be good

[analog mirage]

It is

[solid hinge]

Great question

Just finished building a massive trench on panzerstorm

Game crashes

[analog mirage]

Oh.

[solid hinge]

We’ll have an answer soon

[midnight nimbus]

BFV is good if you enjoy employing maximum cheese

[analog mirage]

Thats why you need a PS4

[midnight nimbus]

oh and griefing in BFV is really fun

[solid hinge]

Yeah so I can crash on ps4 too

[midnight nimbus]

you can't grief much in BF1

[solid hinge]

[analog mirage]

Sure.

[midnight nimbus]

but BFV

mmmmmmmm

[analog mirage]

mmmmmmmmmmmm

[tribal cairn]

BF1 needed more Jihad jeeps

But I found a way around it

Get in a motorcycle

[analog mirage]

:bantheowner:

[tribal cairn]

Drive full speed towards tank,

Get into passenger seat,

[midnight nimbus]

blowing up your friendly attrition depots and proning in them so they can't be rebuilt

[tribal cairn]

Toss every single explosive you have

And hope for a mobility kill or you actually kill it

[solid hinge]

I dont see how thats fun tbh

[tribal cairn]

It's good for fucking with the light tanks the most

[solid hinge]

shouldve @ kht

Its towards him

[midnight nimbus]

chat salt >>>

[analog mirage]

Get a shotgun, take a long route around everyone (pray you dont get caught), and go ham.

[solid hinge]

Thats just being an asshole tho

[strong parrot]

@solid hinge because its xd funny!!!!

[tribal cairn]

Doesn't work, hill-humping sniper with a G38 Seems to always get me

[analog mirage]

Tru^^

[tribal cairn]

1/10 game

[analog mirage]

Ima play BF5 now.

Peace.

[strong parrot]

apparently you just have to be a total douchebag and then youll see the ways of team griefing

[midnight nimbus]

or just have a general understanding of broken shit in every BF game

BFV just introduced so much ridiculous shit

most of the time, broken shit couldn't be used against your own teammates in BF

[green elm]

a game of broken or underpowered shit

[strong parrot]

broken shit=intentionally laying down in a depot you have just destroyed so teammates cant rebuild

[midnight nimbus]

should've just recycled the same tech that stops you from going inside walls

building things should just push players out

but ig they forgot to do that

soldier collision in BF is still as annoying as ever

oh E revive spam to lock teammates in the bleedout is still ridiculous

[strong parrot]

because you would indefinitely be doing that, not fat finger your revive key once and notice you reset the animation then let it play out right

[midnight nimbus]

a minute or so of doing it gets most people to quit game

a simple cooldown would suffice to stop it from being a thing

[strong parrot]

....and youve done this to people

[midnight nimbus]

one of the designers showed it to me

I didn't even realize it was a thing myself

[solid hinge]

Smh

[strong parrot]

a dev of the game...showed you how to spam e on a downed friendly for a minute to make them rage quit

[solid hinge]

Smh

[teal phoenix]

Just bought BF4 premium edition for 9 buckaroos

[solid hinge]

FBI will be in touch

[formal valve]

Hey guys so I finalized my ideas on a improved operations mode and put it on reddit. It’s long, but I hope you enjoy it https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/bt1frh/alternate_version_of_grand_operations_along_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

[vestal locust]

I forgot reddit was a thing... lol

[topaz dome]

re edit? reedit?

[rough river]

REEEEEEEE dit

[shrewd grove]

Never heard of it

[solid hinge]

can someone play with me i need help getting the first node badly

[amber notch]

!lfg

[junior mist]

:information_source: <> Looking for Players to play with? Head Over to the Looking For Group Channels in the (#LFG) Channel Category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[amber notch]

go look in those channels for better luck

[solid hinge]

i did but no one is responding

r u on ps4

i could prolly help if you dont mind waiting a few hrs

yes

patch is still downloading

how good at the game are you?

decent

just pm me your psn if you want

i'll be logging onto v in an hour or two

when the patch is done

Gays

[rough river]

@solid hinge you in EU?

[solid hinge]

Nope missed me

I hope you misspelt guys

[charred heron]

Honestly, i'm not fond of the AT rifle

[weak violet]

I mean I hope he did

I have not done a single TOW challenge because screw firestorm

[charred heron]

There's a non-Firestorm path tho

But that one is horrible specific

[weak violet]

Yeah but the first challenge is just a major no

[charred heron]

First: Find a towable gun

Good luck with that, AA guns work the best

But then?

Disable a turret of a tank
Disable an engine of a tank

[wild jacinth]

Wait so you can put damage on tanks with as gun

As

Aa

Gun

[charred heron]

Duh

Not much

Planes generate way more points

[solid hinge]

drive onto a point with a towable and get in it while you capture it

[wild jacinth]

The stug hound doesn't do anything in fire storm.

[solid hinge]

that's a free 300 points

anyone wifh PlayStation and is willing to help please dm me

[charred heron]

Stug Hound

[solid hinge]

stug hound would be SICK

[charred heron]

Imagine StuG x Staghound

The cannon and profile of a StuG with the shell velocity and modularity of a Staghound....

That's horrifying

[midnight nimbus]

StuG sucks

fact

Staghound = best AA tank

[charred heron]

AA

Also, is it just me or does the Sturmtiger rocket Seen a bit bugged?

[solid hinge]

How so?

[charred heron]

See, i was playing against one on Rotterdam

It fired at me, and the rocket clearly hit the bridge and splashed there

2 seconds later i lost 98 HP on my tank

[solid hinge]

for some reason you see enemy shells go entirely differently to where they actually go very often

[charred heron]

And there was no rocket flying towards me either

[solid hinge]

60% of enemy tank shells go over my head and then deal damage to me

[charred heron]

It detonated on the bridge

[solid hinge]

it's just straight up not accurate

phantom pains

[midnight nimbus]

yeah Sturmtiger blast damage is fat af

it's like a 12m radius or something

[charred heron]

The tank hitboxes are a joke in this game, i know

[solid hinge]

Is it the hitboxes or the hitreg?

[charred heron]

But straying that far off from the hit and shell visualizer?

[icy sluice]

You are goddamn mother fucking kidding me with this bullshit
https://streamable.com/47kyb

[solid hinge]

I've seen enemy shells land literally 50m away from me and then taken damage

It's like your view is desynced to the actual shell

[charred heron]

@icy sluice I'm sorry what

[solid hinge]

Wow!

Your melee actually triggered an execution

[charred heron]

[icy sluice]

I didn't leave because it was a fun match though

I bayonet charged the same soul 4 times in a match

[charred heron]

I bayonet charged 2 people in a row

Was fun

[icy sluice]

Once he killed me, he looked at me like "I fucking did it" and then got sniped

[solid hinge]

Rotterdam is very good for bayonet

[icy sluice]

Oh you bet your ass

Krag Jorgenson is honestly my favorite bolt action

[charred heron]

Did it on Devestation

[icy sluice]

Also, I had a nice CQC recon battle

I hit him, he hit me, we both ran at each other with pistols but I won.

It felt like a wholesome battle

[charred heron]

When you panic knife someone and win

[icy sluice]

No! I had a really funny situation earlier

[solid hinge]

@rough river sort of, yes

[icy sluice]

Someone tried meleeing me from the back, he hit me, did 25 damage or so, I jumped away and bayonet charged him

Parry This, Casual!

[midnight nimbus]

https://streamable.com/opm9s
clip for an epic panic knife

[icy sluice]

Is the chat different on PC? I don't remember it being kind of opaque

Or is that some kind of setting?

[charred heron]

Where's the recoil on that Suomi

[midnight nimbus]

might be my TAA fix

it fucks up the UI

[icy sluice]

Suomi
Honestly, same
https://streamable.com/uxb72

[rough river]

@solid hinge epic

[midnight nimbus]

man using xim in BFV would be kind fun

no recoil mode

[icy sluice]

Oh god

[midnight nimbus]

bc console already gets a big recoil bonus

would feel nice

[icy sluice]

Ya sure?

[midnight nimbus]

yeah

console has 25% less vrec

and some huge bonus for weaker recoil patterns

[solid hinge]

what

console has less recoil?

[icy sluice]

I guess that's understandable seeing.... controller

[solid hinge]

it doesnt feel that way at all

stg1-5 users on pc shoot the thing like a laser

based off the footage ive seen

meanwhile the thing is a bitch forme

[icy sluice]

I do trust kht on this because, he's that guy with the numbers and such

[solid hinge]

mouse is just that much easier to use

or.. not easier but like

[rough river]

And controller is more comfortable to use

[solid hinge]

it is easier

[rough river]

Sike

[midnight nimbus]

you can see it under the GSMOD_Console file

[solid hinge]

higher level of control available

[midnight nimbus]

gun sway modifier for console

[icy sluice]

Yeah it's harder to control recoil on a thumbstick

[midnight nimbus]

25% less vertical recoil magnitude, 25% less recoil pattern yaw

[solid hinge]

excellent

[midnight nimbus]

bc recoil patterns are hard with sticks

[solid hinge]

pc and console balance should be separate

[midnight nimbus]

agreed

console needs some further hipfire changes

[solid hinge]

hipfire is hard on console

console also needs better bolts

[midnight nimbus]

from what i understand its harder to hipfire on sticks

[solid hinge]

hipfire feels fucking awful

i've been practicing run and gun since bf1

[midnight nimbus]

BFV needs better bolts in general

[solid hinge]

and to this day it still feels inconsistent

[midnight nimbus]

oh also BF1 ADS times are faster across the board

like decently faster

which is helpful for console

[solid hinge]

ads gives you aim assist along with the higher level of control so hipfire is much harder to track targets with

bf1 aim assist wasnt as much an aim assist

as much as it was auto aim

so there was that

hipfiring in cqc was hard because you'd have people auto aiming you gta style

bfv got rid of that crap but replaced it with even more sticky aim

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 had stronger auto rotation ye

[solid hinge]

afaik there's no auto rotation in v

On the topic of hip fire earlier I kept getting one shot hipfired by a dude with a gold boys

[midnight nimbus]

man some games give you insane auto aim if you play PC with a controller

like Black Ops 3

it's like full on auto aim

[icy sluice]

About the Astra 900... will it be in Recon, Medic or a secondary?

[solid hinge]

lmao

[midnight nimbus]

snaps straight to you

[solid hinge]

GTA auto aim

[midnight nimbus]

dude that's what BO3 PC auto aim was like

[icy sluice]

GTA has seperate servers though for Auto Aim

[solid hinge]

give the astra to tankers and pilots

i remember back during the halo 2 vista days how controller users were seriously hated

[midnight nimbus]

PC Destiny 2 also has fucking insane auto aim

[solid hinge]

kb/m on console anyone?

is it actually like, banned?

Did pubg have aim assist? I don’t remember it having it

wait lmao

there's a page on the sony website showing you how to link kb/m

[icy sluice]

Here's the thing with KB/M on a console.
Sony seems to endorse the idea, having actual licensed things
Microsoft has a thing for developers to detect if KB/M is used and to block/do whatever

[solid hinge]

wowee

never knew that

[icy sluice]

But only Fortnite seems to really care

[solid hinge]

why the hell would they endorse the idea

keep the sweats back on pc tyvm, i like my casualized experience

[icy sluice]

IMO, Battlefield should have it to detect if a player is using KB/M and use the PC recoil and all that

Or block it lol

[solid hinge]

it should be blocked in shooters imo

[icy sluice]

With how gameplay is for Battlefield, it's hard to tell if someone is using it

Unless you're like focusing on them that is

[solid hinge]

imagine an experienced pc sniper playing the console version with kb/m

absolute annihilation

sniping is that much harder on console

[midnight nimbus]

well with a Xim it's not detectable iirc

and i heard xim feels really weird

[icy sluice]

Yeah you need to configurate it yourself and it can take a while of configurating

I use a Cronus for only like... Halo

[midnight nimbus]

translating key presses and mouse movement to joystick movement isn't that great

[solid hinge]

configurating

configuring?

[icy sluice]

Yeah whatever lol

I just came back from a car ride really

[solid hinge]

[midnight nimbus]

splatoon controls for all console FPS when

i'd actually play console for that

[icy sluice]

Configuring for Halo took me like a day

[solid hinge]

splatoon is the best man

[icy sluice]

Most Shooter games have shit acceleration you can't turn off

[midnight nimbus]

gyro + joystick is so based

[icy sluice]

So, having that fucks up Mouse users

Imagine your aim having that ice effect like in platformers

That's how I can describe it

Halo has it and I think Destiny has it

Ghost Recon games also seem to have it

[solid hinge]

i fucking hate acceleration

[rough river]

Same

[solid hinge]

absolute scum and villainy of all shooters

why the hell is it standard???

[rough river]

I always have it turned off when i have the chance

[icy sluice]

Because Casuals don't realize it at all ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solid hinge]

going from bf to another shooter feels jarring as hell

[icy sluice]

Halo does all the aiming for you

[solid hinge]

that and fov sliders

I know a lot of people who use mouse and keyboard on destiny

most games have an fov that'll make you hurl

[icy sluice]

Because a lot of games have auto aim, acceleration is also on and you won't notice it because the fucking game is moving the stick for you

[solid hinge]

i notice it straight away

feels like i'm trying to lug my reticle around

feels like shit

[icy sluice]

I mean in like hectic combat

Imagine if Call of Duty had snapping like it does in it's Zombies and Campaign

[solid hinge]

lmao

bf1 prepatch martini henry auto aim days

[midnight nimbus]

BF mouse input still feels weird

[icy sluice]

Honestly, that's what I used to do before I used KB/M in Zombies and stuff, just LT RT, 🦀 dog is ded 🦀

[solid hinge]

skill cannon on pc, free kills on console

[midnight nimbus]

my aim in BF1 and other shooters feels so much better

BO2 mouse input was incredible

[solid hinge]

ah yes bo2

[icy sluice]

It's nice that they're still adding patches to mouse input which affects me none lol

[solid hinge]

now you made me want to undust my ps3 to replay that gem

[midnight nimbus]

BO2 is an all time GOAT shooter

[icy sluice]

Ah, don't you love no backwards compatibility for the playstation? That was one of the big deal breakers for me for Playstation 4.

[midnight nimbus]

the setting allows for great counters to campy shit

that you unfortunately can't have in a WW2 setting

[icy sluice]

Ah, prone LMG Target Finder

[solid hinge]

the AR stock spam though

[midnight nimbus]

dude that was the best

moving and shooting felt so slick

forcing bad movement in FPS 🤮

[solid hinge]

AR w stocks made smgs obsolete though

which afaik were nerfed a ton

[icy sluice]

I like that "Stock" is a specialization in BF.

[midnight nimbus]

no SMGs in BO2 were good

[solid hinge]

and back in the day, adsing muted footsteps totally

[icy sluice]

I used SMGs mostly anyways

[midnight nimbus]

bc when stacked with stock, you strafe faster than default walking speed

[solid hinge]

stock on the smg??

never thought about that at all

[midnight nimbus]

SMG + stock + lightweight = move fast af

[solid hinge]

i always thought the main perk of smgs was not needing stock at all

HMMMMMMMMMMM

that seems interesting

[icy sluice]

!jumbo

[midnight nimbus]

BO2/BF4 have great movement for grounded shooters

being able to peek fast is great

[icy sluice]

You think BC3 will have a... ahem, complex attachment system?

[midnight nimbus]

hopefully not

[icy sluice]

heavy coughing

vomitting to the nth degree

[solid hinge]

how complex

[midnight nimbus]

BF doesn't handle attachments and upgrades well at all

[icy sluice]

Like BF4 wise

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 is a huge offender of this

[icy sluice]

or ya know BC2

[solid hinge]

what i absolutely dont want is the spec system

[midnight nimbus]

BO4 handles attachments very well

outside of a few obvious imbalances

[solid hinge]

yeeeah i really liked how treyarch tweaked the attachments to fit the gun

[midnight nimbus]

i'd like to see BF move towards that

yes

per gun, like the BFV spec system

which is excellent

having two tiers of certain attachments is based

like fast mags I and fast mags II

BF needs something like this

[icy sluice]

BFV specs is actually better than I thought it would be

[solid hinge]

i dont like it

[midnight nimbus]

I don't mind the spec system, it's just poorly balanced

and the UI for it is shit

[solid hinge]

certain weapons are doodoo without the right specs

and a lot of weapons have useless spec trees anyways

[midnight nimbus]

yeah

spec trees are even worse for vehicles

see: Valentine Mk8

you have either a garbage tier tank or a god tier tank

depending on whether or not you pick 6pdr

[solid hinge]

the new mosquito too

[midnight nimbus]

oh planes are the absolute worst offenders

even worse than tanks

pineapple wrench on planes
😂😂😂

[solid hinge]

either pick a shittier old mosquito... or a mosquito with a 4k lb bomb and AT gun, which is it?

pineapple wrench lmao

that's the one with the faster self repairs?

[midnight nimbus]

no slower self repairs

[solid hinge]

oooooh that

i picked that by accident once

huge fucking mistake

[midnight nimbus]

actual downgrade in practice

whoever designed vehicles in BFV

oof

clearly doesn't play it

[solid hinge]

I don’t think anyone that made battlefield plays battlefield

[midnight nimbus]

well yeah for the most part that's actually true

[solid hinge]

[midnight nimbus]

I don't think you need to be a good player to be a good dev

but you should have a very good understanding of the game

[icy sluice]

I do like the new infantry mechanics added in V.

[midnight nimbus]

even if you can't apply it in practice

[icy sluice]

Ledge Grabbing, the rolling, skeet shooting, grenade toss-back...

[solid hinge]

Do they not have like server tests before they add weapons n shit

[midnight nimbus]

well for guns you don't need to

[icy sluice]

CTE should be readded imo

[midnight nimbus]

outside of SARs, weapon balance is very good

and CTE is meaningless

the community ruined it for everyone in BF1

people just used it for early access

no meaningful feedback outside of the gc

even in private settings, it's not like the people invited often gave meaningful feedback

[solid hinge]

What’s wrong with SARs

[midnight nimbus]

they're just extremely good

recoil and spread are done mathematically

[solid hinge]

In BFV?

[midnight nimbus]

so community feedback is unnecessary

yeah BFV SARs are insane

[solid hinge]

Uh huh

They got a significant recoil boost

[icy sluice]

They're fantastic to use

[solid hinge]

They’re good but by no means op

[icy sluice]

I find myself using every weapon besides the AT Rifle in this game

[midnight nimbus]

just pull down on the mouse lmaooooo

they're still busted good

nothing comes close to how melty they are

[solid hinge]

Not really they’re pretty balanced

[icy sluice]

I like your attitude!

[summer geyser]

Is there a way to view replays

[midnight nimbus]

bruh

[icy sluice]

There are no replays

[solid hinge]

StG is a bigger issue

[midnight nimbus]

no horizontal recoil, no spread increase

[icy sluice]

WHAT!?

[midnight nimbus]

StG is incredibly average

[summer geyser]

I swear I hit a guy twice in the chest with a sniper rifle and he didn't die

[icy sluice]

Yeah it's like a meh gun

[midnight nimbus]

unironically should return to Beta StG

and launch KE7

[icy sluice]

@summer geyser Bandages

[solid hinge]

StG is noob weapon #1

[midnight nimbus]

so everything gets buffed up to be competitive with the SARs

[solid hinge]

With no recoil

[summer geyser]

@icy sluice no I think he was reviving a teammate

[midnight nimbus]

StG is just really versatile

it's never bad

[summer geyser]

He was crouch down with his hands all over the ground

[midnight nimbus]

which is fine

[summer geyser]

I was point blank basically

[midnight nimbus]

the ACE 23 is like that

[icy sluice]

There are recording things ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Shadowplay, Relive, PS4 and Xbox have record that features

[solid hinge]

There’s nothing unbalanced about SARs

[midnight nimbus]

wat

nothing comes close to their ranged performance, in practice or in theory

[solid hinge]

The fact that 70%+ of Assault play StG says something tho

[midnight nimbus]

spread and hrec force autos to miss shots

[solid hinge]

That’s a joke

[midnight nimbus]

semis don't have this problem

also usage stats don't matter

DICE doesn't balance off that

for the most part at least

[solid hinge]

I shit on ANY sar with bolts or slrs

It’s not hard to do

[midnight nimbus]

I mean tbf most people don't get good SAR usage on console

like lmao just click fast and pull down on the mouse

no recoil patterns

no bursting required

[solid hinge]

StG has far less recoil than SARs and it’s range is ridiculous

[compact oxide]

SLRs require you to hit every shot, meaning most people suck with them compared to SARs

[midnight nimbus]

semis were buffed heavily between BF1 and BFV bc telemetry showed how terrible most people are at clicking fast

[solid hinge]

Oh well you’re on pc there’s the difference

Almost EVERYONE on console uses StG rn

It’s cancer

[midnight nimbus]

I mean it's versatile and flexible

[icy sluice]

I don't really see that many StGs really

[midnight nimbus]

but by no means is it an overperformer

[icy sluice]

You're an overperformer

[midnight nimbus]

I honestly think it's a below average gun

[solid hinge]

It’s really not

[stone plaza]

StG is a downgrade from M1A1 if you can uh

[midnight nimbus]

it's not as ez mode as SARs

[stone plaza]

click fast

[solid hinge]

It’s super easy to use

[stone plaza]

but it doesn't do anything wrong

it's just kind of lacking in DPS in many situations

[solid hinge]

Also M1A1 is spam shit

[icy sluice]

lmao just get a macro

[solid hinge]

Also easy to use

[stone plaza]

450 is clickable

[midnight nimbus]

click faster

[stone plaza]

just click fast b

[midnight nimbus]

imagine using StG when you can MAS

[stone plaza]

🅱

[solid hinge]

macros

Smh

[icy sluice]

Bullets comin' at you at supa sonic spee

[stone plaza]

yeah imagine using non-1907 ARs when the supremely powerful SARs exist

[icy sluice]

1907 is a WWII vector pretty much

[midnight nimbus]

StG is honestly harder to use than the 1907

or SARs

[solid hinge]

What

[icy sluice]

I wanna get the 1907 fully gold but fuck the assignments dude

[midnight nimbus]

> no nydar
> kinda quegg recoil pattern

[solid hinge]

What

[midnight nimbus]

1907 recoil pattern is so ez

and it's point and delete

outperforms the StG so heavily

[stone plaza]

yeah no nydar is a pretty big downside

[solid hinge]

Lol maybe on pc

[stone plaza]

console gets 25% less vrec anyway

[solid hinge]

Anything is easy with mouse and keyboard

[midnight nimbus]

1907 does like 70m laserbeam so well

[stone plaza]

hence why the game is balanced around PC input
what's possible on a stick is a subset of what's possible on a mouse

yeah 1907 is pretty silly but it's fine

it's fun and stands up to the semis

the datamined Breda does the same

gives up 1vX ability and forces 100% accuracy per engagement

[midnight nimbus]

I hope it doesn't change

[stone plaza]

but

MAD DPS

honestly same

it's fine as is

[midnight nimbus]

also temporyal isn't actually good at reading files

[stone plaza]

it's kinda bad at 1vX in theory

[midnight nimbus]

so he might've read it wrong

idk

[stone plaza]

oh true

the other datamined AR is garbage

straight downgrade from SG1-5 in theory

[icy sluice]

I N S A N E D P S_

[stone plaza]

830rpm 5-6 but it's uh

12m 5BTK

or something supremely stupid like that

literal un gun

[midnight nimbus]

i mean if the hrec is low enough it's fine

also if it has lower SIPS

[stone plaza]

spread increase still prolly kinda quogg unl

yeah

[midnight nimbus]

automatico AR

[icy sluice]

Anyone else do grenade skeet shooting?

[stone plaza]

i take my punt gun out on my boat sometimes

to drive entire species of duck to extinction

[icy sluice]

Okay!

[stone plaza]

BFV unironically needs the punt gun

we have MMG MMGs, we have MMG snipers

[midnight nimbus]

it's the next logical step

[stone plaza]

we need an MMG shotgun

give it to medic

bc shotguns are close range weapons and medic is a close range class

but also give it like

100m OHK

[icy sluice]

We need an Orbital Strike and a Jetpack

[stone plaza]

yes

we also need the valentine to be able to fly

to contest the fact that the ju88 is the only plane worth flying

i think a MAV-Valentine hybrid would be pretty fun

also make it so you can use it as a TV missile after you run out of ammo

UCAV kinda gameplay

[green elm]

what about just the aek 971

[stone plaza]

no we need BF3 AN94 back

to contest with SARs

[green elm]

an94 was hardcore broken

[stone plaza]

1200rpm scrollwheel

[icy sluice]

One thing I would love for spectator mode to be stats of the match:
Deaths, Revives, etc.

[solid hinge]

I think I’d rather have Fortress back than this tank battles crap

At least Fortress was new and unique

[icy sluice]

The Tank Battles helps with the assignments

[solid hinge]

It’s just cq and breakthrough and it’s all boring now

[waxen basin]

is it possible to do the destroy tank engine in combined arms lol?

[solid hinge]

No

on the topic of people sucking at shooting fast with semi autos

fully agree

the semi autos in cod4 have no fire cap

most g3 users fire it at like 200 rpm

[midnight nimbus]

well they do

[solid hinge]

it's embarrassing

yeah

[midnight nimbus]

but it's like 1200 RPM

[solid hinge]

1200 rpm

practically nonexistent if you're not using a mod

[midnight nimbus]

you could shotgun Barrett up close in CoD

[solid hinge]

yep

[midnight nimbus]

DICE logic for SARs was incredible

[solid hinge]

you could dumpster truck people if you had the trigger finger

Playing on Hamada and like 20 fuckin dudes are recon

[stone plaza]

bind fire to scroll wheel lmao

skrrrrt on people

[midnight nimbus]

"uhhhh telemetry shows most BF1 semi users shoot so slow that spread and horizontal recoil doesn't matter"

"lmao let's just give BFV semis no spread or horizontal recoil"

[solid hinge]

Recon used to take skill

[midnight nimbus]

"balanced"

[stone plaza]

recon takes an unreasonable amount of skill to be even marginally effective

look at stodeh

he only plays BA

but it took him how many thousands of hours

to get to the level of effectiveness of an average AR pubstomper

with un-guns

[midnight nimbus]

to have games as good as me, above average SAR user

kek

[stone plaza]

yup

[solid hinge]

imagine my suffering on console

lol

[midnight nimbus]

recon never took skill before or after BF1

because part of skill is choosing the right tool

[stone plaza]

this

[midnight nimbus]

which bolt actions aren't

[stone plaza]

skill takes place as early as weapon selection

[midnight nimbus]

actually no they were fine in BC2 and BFH

[stone plaza]

some guy in sym discord recently was trying to defend BAs by naming situations in which they weren't terrible

i can name a lot of ways in which ARs are objectively good

rather than just

"not terrible"

[midnight nimbus]

"yeah just quick swap to your secondary all the time and make sure your secondary is one of the really really good ones"

uhhhh

if you need to heavily crutch on your secondary

maybe your primary is shit

[stone plaza]

recon should be able to use two bolt actions at once to double tap people

yeah i mean

[solid hinge]

If you’re good you can kill them at close range with the bolt

[stone plaza]

if you're recon

and you're reliant on g18

just play assault and aek

kill them at close range

bro why not jsut use a shotgun

and that begs the question

why are the "long range" guns only good at close range?

with ghetto shotgun damage models

see this is why sweet spot is really good

ghetto shotgun means they're only good up close

[midnight nimbus]

or just use the shorty 12g

pocket 10-A Hunter

[solid hinge]

lol bf4 snipers feel awful at range

[stone plaza]

and full inverse damage (2 to 1 BTK) means people camp the map boundary

[solid hinge]

i dont know what it is

but they feel absolutely fucking awful

[midnight nimbus]

if you want your CQB quickscope meme

[stone plaza]

sweet spot (2-1-2) is great bc it means you play a certain range for max effectivenss

[solid hinge]

something about the ballistics is very different from bf1

[stone plaza]

and you can headshot or go for chunks outside of that distance

yeah honestly just use hawk 12g fullchoke dart

[midnight nimbus]

yeah BF4 had shit velocity, no drag

[stone plaza]

for quickscoping

[solid hinge]

either i'm just bad or the ballistics are just really weird

Bf1 sniping was great

[stone plaza]

it's way better

bf1 sniping is still great

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 introduced good velocity, but drag

BFV introduced bolts with shit velocity and drag

[stone plaza]

within your sweet spot range drag barely affects you

[solid hinge]

Bfv is pretty good too

[stone plaza]

but beyond

nah bfv isnt fun

fun = reward/risk

[solid hinge]

Ha

bfv bolts are the definition of low reward high risk

Maybe you’re just not getting any reward

[stone plaza]

i mean

i can kill people better with an SAR

[midnight nimbus]

no the reward is the same for all weapons

[stone plaza]

better 1vX TTK

[midnight nimbus]

killing people is the reward

[stone plaza]

lower risk

[solid hinge]

the ratio i mean

Nah it’s not

[stone plaza]

it's not as if you kill someone harder with a bolt action

[solid hinge]

risk is way higher than with any other class

[green elm]

bolt actions are for people who think they’re good at the game

[stone plaza]

like, it disconnects them from the server

that would be a fine tradeoff for having to use a BA

[solid hinge]

Assault is easy mode for killing ppl

[midnight nimbus]

yeah you don't have dead vs extra dead

[stone plaza]

you crash them to desktop

[solid hinge]

Recon feels more rewarding

[stone plaza]

then you're silly

facts don't care about your feelings

don't gimp yourself with an ungun

[solid hinge]

If we are talking pure stats a good player should have about an even kd on all classes

[midnight nimbus]

Boys and Tromboncino are the best bolt actions in the game

cmv

[stone plaza]

this

[solid hinge]

No assault crutch 😁

[stone plaza]

actually theres an argument for the qarbine

crutch

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

[solid hinge]

Big crutch

[stone plaza]

required reading

don't impose arbitrary limits

do what you can to win

[solid hinge]

idk i like using every gun

Now winning matters?

Is it kd or win ratio

[stone plaza]

uh

that's not my argument

[green elm]

@solid hinge do you enjoy every gun tho

[stone plaza]

don't call classes a "crutch"

the reward is the same

killing someone

[solid hinge]

Assault is a crutch

[stone plaza]

use the guns that kill people easiest

you know, parroting your argument doesn't establish your point sweetie

[midnight nimbus]

assault is based af

[stone plaza]

explain? 😄

and yeah

assault is based af

[solid hinge]

Idk m8 think about it for about 2 seconds

i definitely do not enjoy every gun

Rockets

Grenade launcher

ARs and SARs

Easy mode

at one point i tried playing aggro recon with the rsc

felt like total shit

Oof

[stone plaza]

you call it easy mode

i call it uh

being effective

[solid hinge]

Anyone here hate Hamada?

[stone plaza]

it's not a PvE game

[solid hinge]

anyone here doesnt hate hamada?

RSC takes some getting used to

[stone plaza]

your goal is to make sure the enemy team doesn't have fun

[solid hinge]

it takes practice yeah

[stone plaza]

by making them dead

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 RSC 😋
BFV RSC 🤮

[solid hinge]

until an assault or medic comes along and smothers you

[stone plaza]

bfv rsc is so quegg man

[solid hinge]

Make sure the enemy team doesn’t have fun?