@sleek tartan U do have a good point 
#battlefield-legacy-titles
fathom pebble
idle breach
and its current state is far from perfect
sleek tartan
Not just the esport side.
idle breach
true
fathom pebble
btw alot of games that arent as porpular have been growing in the dark alot lately
mostly in the racing esports scene
idle breach
esports scene is kinda
fathom pebble
but not only there
idle breach
hit or miss
sleek tartan
I'd also argue that many of what the competitive players highly complain and moan about, and that get to far means to try to solve, are issues that you encounter as well and you'd see fixed just as much.
solid hinge
Mario kart getting serious?
fathom pebble
@solid hinge Fun fact F1 game grew alot lately and its amazing the esports treatment they get compared to the real F1
idle breach
oh yeah
fathom pebble
also for some other hardcore motorsports games
idle breach
F1 series is doing well
fathom pebble
to the point real professional drivers play them
solid hinge
:0
fathom pebble
to besides pratice, but the challange
idle breach
racing games kinda grew a lot, personally I think it's kinda comeback not a grow
solid hinge
cars..
fathom pebble
my point is
no the point is
its about challange
its about pushing things to the limit of skill and teamplay
idle breach
we gotta need some big daddy EA push to make success
idle breach
and countless contenders who tried to compete with dota, csgo, siege and things
fathom pebble
what makes a good esports besides gameplay is the challange to push further to outplay your opponent
idle breach
yeah
sleek tartan
There are always different sides to the same story, some people will feel if BF esports become relevant that the most "normal" MP experience is somewhat put into a second stage, and devaluated. And this is a legit concern. But it does not have to be that way. And I try to show that the opposite can be true, with the example of netcode.
Many people might not be aware that some of the biggest efforts to improve the netcode in Battlefield 4 came from the fact that back then there was an esport scene which had an actual relevant prize money involved. And as such, pushed hard for the biggest problems to be solved.
idle breach
and the platform - the game itself - need to require the feel of fairness
fathom pebble
I mean platform of choice 90% of the times is PC ofc
fathom pebble
but yeh like Fifa, madden, NBA normally IIRC is on console
idle breach
comp games rely on esports are actually relying on playerbase who admire competitve playing
sleek tartan
I personally, with a few years of experience in the competitive aspects of Battlefield, believe that this effort will not get enough popularity and will probably be yet another failed attempt. But I hope I'm wrong for the future comp players that might arrive.
sleek tartan
I feel like people will not see reasons to unify and support it, and will indeed see many reasons to dislike it and critizice it's existance....
fathom pebble
I mean I do enjoy gameplay and BF elements
sleek tartan
if we, as the most interested part after EA and DICE themselves do not support the initiative, I can't see how it will work.
fathom pebble
but idk I dont blame its not popular, I think its legit the way they're trying to push it
and developing it
solid hinge
they've got a lot on their plate
idle breach
true
digital seal
I just feel as though BFV isn't a fun game which stops a lot of people from playing it and therefore, creates less of a following
idle breach
if
solid hinge
A lot of that comes from the bugs imo
sleek tartan
I think that an analysis on what brough Battlefield from the situation in BF1 to the one in BFV is worth of a TFG, but "they've got a lot in their plate, and not that much to pay it with" is a good short description.
solid hinge
Majority of the time I feel bad in bfv is because something fucked up rather than the actual game being bad
fathom pebble
tbh Incursions was a bad attempt to esports BF
digital seal
^
fathom pebble
I think tbh if they bring a modern BF I think would attrach more players into it
imo
sleek tartan
Well, with all due respects, what is coming won't be much different.
sonic rampart
Imo if they bring a modern bf they will nail it
sleek tartan
I also agree that BFV maybe is what some people would describe "less casual" but I would swear over the constitution that it's not fun at all.
And I feel like changing the setting will change nothing regarding that.
idle breach
judging from posts from reddit
sonic rampart
I think it will
Since the setting kind of limits things
Especially because its WW2
idle breach
I think in some point battlefield franchise got some attention from military nerds but kinda did not realised that attention itself
solid hinge
tfw no ranged explosive weapons
sonic rampart
And they use actual places as maps
solid hinge
sleek tartan
How does the setting change fix the issues regarding core mechanics such as MMG designs? or bad map layouts? or bad vehicle balance?
it just doesn't...
sonic rampart
So it takes longer for them to make the maps
sleek tartan
I feel like we always try to blame stuff on whatever we dislike, but it's a bad tendency that offuscates us.
digital seal
I feel like Devastation is one of the only "good" maps in BFV.. all the other map design is pretty ... uhh... lackluster
sleek tartan
I personally can't stand devastation, or narvik or rotterdam. There's just no way I can stand them.
solid hinge
i like how they utilize different areas of the maps for different modes, so I dont like slagging the maps off entirely
sleek tartan
That is true
digital seal
^
sleek tartan
wouldn't say it's great, but much better than what people depict the whole map as
solemn wedge
Domination
sleek tartan
and domination generally just sucks in BFV
solid hinge
frontlines twisted steel feels completely different to breakthrough twisted steel
solemn wedge
sleek tartan
They really killed this game for me... both Frontlines and Domination, even TDM, the modes I liked the most, are totally butchered.
Absolutely butchered.
solid hinge
Ok I barely every play domination but compared to hamada on every other mode it's like.. pleasant
sleek tartan
3 tanks in Frontlines, horrible map balance in domination, full of hideouts in TDM...
solid hinge
sleek tartan
And they even wanted to add planes to Frontlines
solid hinge
Frontlines usually isnt so bad but its shockingly awful for hamada
sleek tartan
just in case it wasn't cancerous enough
solid hinge
..planes with 16 people?
sleek tartan
good we put them off that idea
solid hinge
that's dangerous
sleek tartan
and in a mode that forces you to stay together
imagine the 1000kg bomb
absolute no brainer
And I literally had to explain a dev personally many reasons why it was a bad idea, then he made a poll voting
solid hinge
tfw your literal entire team gets wiped by one bombing run
sleek tartan
and thankfully people wasn't stupid
and supported that frontlines shouldn't have planes...
random rock
Let's put all that aside for a moment and enjoy the fact that I've just encountered an invincibility bug (yes, never dying).
Thankfully, it doesn't turn me into a walking supersoldier of death and mayhem - I'd literally just not play if that was the case.
it is of course, another revive bug, and it's a nasty one. you die, try and hurry up the revive phase, and it runs out. then resets. Forever. Good for K/D I guess, bad if you die near the enemy spawn or there are no medics nearby.
solid hinge
3 tanks is bad enough
sleek tartan
I remember when it was about infantry, with if any, one tank that was like a secondary objective
god, BF1 frontlines was great...
too bad people didn't enjoy it that much apprently
solid hinge
i got that bug for ten minutes a couple days ago cause i was doing a stupid flank in the enemy base
some medic eventually went on a mission to save me
random rock
same with me, some medic went rambo to save me after he saw me out there for 5 min
solid hinge
Frontlines can work with one tank I think
random rock
after that it kept happening
solid hinge
Twisted steel frontlines does the one tank part pretty nicely
apart from when your team picks flakpanzer
i think they should put back vehicle class spawning
random rock
I agree
violet finch
I thought they do that already
solid hinge
i dont want to be punished because some dickhead decides to pick flakpanzer on frontlines
digital seal
I don't play much other than CQ and Rush when I play BF3/BF4 so I'm not too privy on Frontlines as I don't play much BFV or BF1
random rock
I never understood why you can pick any old vehicle when the historical side and the modes beg for a certain playstyle
solid hinge
Conquest is a pain without communication while generally in breakthrough and frontlines people will zerg the point
so it's easier to play solo
stoic breach
Apparently I'm in the top 0.9% of revives
random rock
plus enemies defending always have their eyes set on the direction of the main attack, so it's an easy farm if you flank
stoic breach
random rock
noice
stoic breach
That means nobody is reviving
solid hinge
holy shit my recon k/d went up by .3 since I started using the p08
fathom pebble
random rock
not really a surprise
solid hinge
turns out having a proper close range weapon is better than a bolt action
who would have guessed
idle breach
oh
solid hinge
random rock
that's a low kpm tho
random rock
I guess it works out
idle breach
it's because I just shoot flares all day when I'm doing recon
solid hinge
Once you can combine those flares with sick dinks you'll be popping those scores
solid hinge
1037 revives is top 16%
idle breach
2762 is top 2%
random rock
yh I usually yolo with pistol out
solid hinge
considering I've played medic the least that's a little worrying
random rock
1,273 is 8%
digital seal
There's nothing cool about giving people ammo lmao nobody cares about that
solid hinge
An extra 200 is 8%? That's interesting
digital seal
I'm a support main
idle breach
2762 revives while recieved 1748 revives
random rock
@digital seal I do, though if you could stick it in the crate, that'd be great.
solid hinge
I cant bear to play support
idle breach
because people HATE ME
solid hinge
I feel like a shit assault
random rock
I feel like a scummy assault
digital seal
I've always been a main support player
solid hinge
I started off playing support cause I liked the extra build speed
digital seal
Got my 100+ resupply medals back in BF3 so I was content
solid hinge
but no one ever touches your crates and the AT pistol is a shit piat
idle breach
and make bad people stay dead
digital seal
I give bullets to the people who stay alive haha
solid hinge
and im not good enough at shooting to pick it just for the gun
random rock
Ap mines in random places too
digital seal
Alright I've gotta go for a bit, good talk guys 😃
idle breach
byeo
solid hinge
Every time I play medic is when the team decides to split instead of zerging and I get a good opportunity for a flank but I'm trying to heal people instead of doing sick sneaky business
random rock
earlier I was contemplating the futility of my revives as I waded throgh a sea of downed players
in their spawn
solid hinge
heh
i got 4 revives without having to move because someones piat hit the side of some zergers and sent all their bodies cartwheeling towards me
they just ran straight back in
random rock
lul
solid hinge
i dont understand the people who think they can walk through the front door enemy territory
random rock
I don't think they do either
strong parrot
you want them to backdoor the enemy? 
solid hinge
That's my role Bmac
random rock
yh clap those backdoors
icy sluice
"Gonna win"
2450 bullets rain down on one man, he's no longer an actual body just blood
random rock
meanwhile there's me clearing out like 6 enemies and I go to knife the last one only to be killed by a guy who just showed up
solid hinge
the BEST part of the p08c is I can actually shoot the bastards who spawn on the person I'm attacking
random rock
until they rinse you with a turner or m1a1
lavish garden
is it just me or is there a delay when moving your mouse and the camera doesnt stop when you stop moving your mouse
solid hinge
No longer do I lose because some dude dropped out of thin air next to the guy I just killed
I'll take a frontal firefight to having them spawn mid melee animation
random rock
oh the mid melee spawn is the worst
solid hinge
like.. it punishes you for not shooting
i keep not meleeing cause im scared they'll spawn and ruin my kills
random rock
occasionally it also rewards though, gotta love the clueless lvl 5 who walks away
solid hinge
tfw you sneak up on a proner and melee him only to lightly tap his back for 55hp while he spins around at the speed of light and clips his mg42 inside you
scenic beacon
omae wa mou shindeiru
random rock
saw a guy earlier who's primary method of dodging bullets was flopping between back and forwards prone.
solid hinge
the roll over animation makes me think they're a downed person EVERY time
ive been literally about to shoot someone and they roll over and my brain goes "oh it's just a corpse" and turns away even though they're pointing a gun at me
random rock
And one of the reasons why backprone melees are so bad is because of the long kill time
I shoot corpses cus of that
solid hinge
it's a cool looking animation but it's tactically a fucking awful move
random rock
tactically, logically, lots of allys
solid hinge
ive had people jump on their back when I bayonet charge them because the bayonet cancels into that awful long animation and their teammates kill me before I kill them
echo glen
Damn
solid hinge
if they're lying on their back then they get a bayonet to the face or crotch
echo glen
Exploitation of game mechanics I see...
solid hinge
not a 7 second headbutt animation
if they're lying on their front it's a really quick stab
makes it even harder to get corner campers
solemn wedge
20 seconds long bayonet animation 
random rock
It's less exploitation, more ppl are lucky that the devs do't understand how a bayonet works
random rock
It's both satisfying and annoying to pull the animation off
solid hinge
Even when it's safe to do it I feel like I'm wasting time
random rock
that's because you probably are
solid hinge
random rock
like literally just add the garotte / fists into the melee options, and give everything else quick, logical animations for backprone
random rock
should just kick them upside the head or the rear animation
solid hinge
quick neck snap
shrewd scaffold
it's not realistic if there is no animation
random rock
I don't even want to know what's going on with the side backprone melee s
and btw nether, it's not realistic to bayonet charge / stab your opponent then switch to trying to hug him to death.
solid hinge
sometimes I run into people so hard when I'm bayonetting they just die
random rock
Oh that's fun, or I hit a wall and turn only for the enemy to die in front of me anyway
solid hinge
tfw bayonet roadkills
sometimes you run into the enemy for 2 seconds and then the game decides they're made out of brick
random rock
happens most often on enemies using stationaries or open vehicles (roadkill)
and yh, bouncing off an enemy is a wtf moment
icy sluice
tfw you bayonet charge a man but he melee kills you
That's happened to me twice before
random rock
I've got a few bf1 clips still where I sidestep bayonet chargers and ez stab them, and one where I sidestep into the side melee then die to bayonet anyway.
echo glen
😂
I remember in BF1 when you charge someone after they charge you, you get the bayonet kill
random rock
that was mad too
rich ibex
@sleek tartan some people are fucking stupid, and actually advocated for that shit. Certain dude we know who tried to report Enric for his name, for example.
Thankfully normal frontlines didn't, but they added them to the Grand operations frontlines. Which is basically a single flag on Arras with 64p with tanks and planes
solid hinge
i actually enjoy that one
rich ibex
I only played it like once
solid hinge
You still win bayonet charges if you charge second
rich ibex
Was hilarious
solid hinge
The first person obliterates
echo glen
👍
barren nymph
is the combat dagger an elite melee weapon?
echo glen
Combat Dagger? I think that's the firestorm ranger preorder kit
The only elite melee weapons are the pipe and the K98 Bayonet
barren nymph
Oh so no way of getting it
never heard of a firestorm ranger pre-order 🤔
is that like a post-launch pre-order?
weak jolt
melee is mostly balanced
graceful prairie
my game just crashed
echo glen
@barren nymph search Firestorm Ranger Kit maybe you'll find it
barren nymph
I think melee weapons don't do enough damage
wild oxide
Yeah, the Elite Dagger was apart of the Pre-order bonus. No way to get it that I know of anymore.
echo glen
I just realized how good the Commando Carbine is if you can aim well and decently hipfire
Headshots with the gun are 👌
graceful prairie
humble imp
barren nymph
It takes 3 hits with the fire axe I think, that's not very good :/
echo glen
@humble imp lfg
barren nymph
@graceful prairie lol nice one
echo glen
@graceful prairie Nice "Firestorm" Kit
graceful prairie
yeah i have some of those at home you want to buy them ?
since you talked about them
rotund sentinel
Hallo? Sanitater?
strong parrot
you know what fuck you..im not even going to click on that menu this time 😤
rotund sentinel
Sanitater, why did you leave me?
barren nymph
What if you have something in the armory 
strong parrot
then it can stay there because its most likely shit
strong parrot
lmao fucking joined a dev match....enemy team is all camping the outside of the church....my team is all camping at the trains and not pushing
wonder who will win
attacker side with morons 👌
strong parrot
after 3 deaths I left...fuck that waste of time
rotund sentinel
It's only common courtesy to reload the field gun after using guys
versed notch
graceful prairie
i love mmgs
my kd will jump to 3 if i keep playing them
or even more
except the ground hitboxes are too big
you somtimes just shoot dirt even though youre aiming at an enemy
green elm
sniper shot-heavy melee combo ftw
barren nymph
mmh
strong parrot
lol 3 matches in a row i join an attacker side on dev...yikes nope no thanks
barren nymph
I've had to hit 3 times with the fire axe a few times 
icy sluice
Probably healed after getting hit
barren nymph
oh no no
barren nymph
I still think all melee weapons should get a buff
solid hinge
I'd appreciate it if executions worked properly
barren nymph
yeah mostly on prone players
graceful prairie
can i leave if i completed an assignment and the round isnt over?
will it get reset?
strong parrot
once you finish an assignment its done
solid hinge
smh as if max rank means anything in BF V
you ever just
gain so many levels on BF1
that you cant even earn more war bonds
weak jolt
no I need more war bonds
solid hinge
no you dont
trim token
Faith in bfv= -100
graceful prairie
mhhhhhhhh 😍 https://imgur.com/a/JfL8wjS
after i gold a weapon i dont play it for the next 2 months
icy sluice
tmw you snap someone's neck in fortress Hamada
sleek trail
Dice please fix the footsteps in this game, holy
trim token
And people keep teleporting
barren nymph
Yeah I hope we get actual 3D sounds one day
solid hinge
when you play on 3d headphones so the music is unreasonably loud 
hoary condor
icy sluice
Had a very intense clip of fortress, just mayhem
icy sluice
Fortress is exciting
https://streamable.com/fplcw
rotund sentinel
Sanitater! Da!
steady robin
wha
solid hinge
that pistol keeps making think you're playing Battlefront lmao @icy sluice
icy sluice
lol
solid hinge
it looks so much like Han Solo's blaster lmao
shut cipher
well I was going to play this game but I waited 3 minutes to load into a game and then it just crashed. nice job dice I didn't play this game for a while and I might have got back into it but I don't feel like waiting again so I'm playing sea of thieves
haughty pawn
playing fortress as defender feels like cheating
sleek trail
Shall I just go back to bf1? You can actually hear people in that game and also see them which is also nice
Oh and there is no prone cancer
digital seal
ummm back to BF1? go back to BF3/BF4 😃
sleek trail
Bf4 maybe yes, it's just the netcode and gunplay is so much better in v
hoary condor
in 
and had to kill 2 people already
graceful prairie
i think i have 100% fortress win rate now
easy mode as long as you know how it works
main grove
Why is the hit reg so fucked right now?
hoary condor
Dies in keyboard
supple mica
Play some Battlefield 1 today and I'm wondering if there is a way to prevent M1912 p16 storm or experimental from loading a single 8 round clip instead of 16 round clip? This is after dumping a single magazine.
solid hinge
anyone else think the game should go back to ttk 2.0
i mean
i KNOW for a fact that itd reduce the amount of camping
risk taking and aggressive play would be more rewarded
instead of this prone fuckfest we have atm
also genroach
there is no 16 round clip
jagged vector
Absolutely not
solid hinge
max is 8
icy sluice
Actually, there was more camping in ttk 2.0
jagged vector
If you want a slower ttk go play BF1
solid hinge
so if you run out of all 16 bullets, you need 2x 8 clips
that's what i do
but im burnt out from bf1
supple mica
Thanks @solid hinge for explaining the M1912 p16 reload.
jagged vector
Yeah, because engagements took longer it was more advantageous to get the drop on people
solid hinge
hmmmm
jagged vector
With a fast ttk, both rushing, roaming, and static defense are rewarded
solid hinge
nnnnnnnnnah
i've played the game enough to know that there isnt anywhere near enough rushing
you see it, yea
it's mostly medics doing it
tfw medic is the best rushing class
esp with the cheesy smoke buff
jagged vector
Yeah because their engagement range is shorter and their weapons play better that way
solid hinge
it's hell being a recon now, fucking smoke EVERYWHERE
supple mica
Played it today and it seems the only way to get a faster time to kill in Battlefield 1 was actually getting 700-1800 rounds per minutes weapon. Support MG-14/17 & lmg-08/18 and Assault Automatico 1918 M1912 p16 .
jagged vector
Just use P08 or ironsights and bayonet
solid hinge
yyyuckkk iron sight bolts
icy sluice
@jagged vector Why the fuck do so many people use Iron Sight BIPOD?
solid hinge
only iron sight bolt that can work is the ross
supple mica
Bilger which game Battlefield 1 or 5?
main grove
If there’s anything I want back it’s spotting
Spotting will lessen the advantage for defenders
jagged vector
I like iron bolts and sometimes aperture sights
solid hinge
the flashlight makes up for being able to SEE your damn targets
jagged vector
There is spotting, just use flares
solid hinge
remember body shots are fucking trash for bolts
jagged vector
Spot with the gadget scope, then swap to rifle for a quick shot
main grove
But body shots need to do more damage than what they do Rn
solid hinge
who thought 2 shot 150+ rpm weapons should be doing the same body shot damage as a 55 rpm weapon?
b-b-but headshots
they're not always practical
if you're using a kar or krag then you most likely will never get the follow up shot if your opponent isnt an idiot
solid hinge
not always
jagged vector
Instant ttk, no chance for the enemy to shoot back
solid hinge
far away, side to side/diagonally moving targets are a nightmare to hit headshot or not
jagged vector
It’s the definition of efficiency
solid hinge
recons can only do so well because most people like to stand still
jagged vector
Don’t shoot at moving targets if you can’t make the shot, you’ll just give yourself away
solid hinge
ik
jagged vector
That’s the biggest mistake recons can make
solid hinge
ofc
i only take the shot when they stop moving or someone else opens fire
BUT BECAUSE 55 DAMAGE I DONT ALWAYS GET THE ONE SHOT BODY SHOT
jagged vector
Also if you got the distance & cover advantage. Sniper harassment is very viable
It’s not kill farming, but it’s team play
icy sluice
Neck Snapping in Fortress lol
https://streamable.com/jmzys
royal gull
Is there a companion app or a place to check stats and manage platoons online for BFV?
sonic moss
gray glade
congrats
hearty tendon
I've never gotten a win lol
plain oar
is there a bf4 discord
solid hinge
iron sight bipod bolt
lost lagoon
i wish.
solid hinge
what is this hell
strong parrot
man mode...thats what it is
solid hinge
iron sight bipod bolt
yeah, what
what's the point of the bipod if irons barely have any sway to matter at the ranges where you'd be using the irons
orchid stump
what specs should I put on the M1922 MG?
icy sluice
I see several people do it
torpid wharf
😍 Rotterdam
solid hinge
@orchid stump either side is good, right side if you want accuracy and mag size and left side if you want to shoot a lot of bullets very quickly
orchid stump
thank you, I might do right side + big mag because I tend to play defensively
torpid wharf
i hate ap mines so much
orchid stump
I haven't played this game in a bit, is the commando carbine and m28 con good for medic?
and what about ross mk III and p08 carbine for recon?
solid hinge
why use the mg42 if you arent gonna go full 1200rpm
smh
commando carbine is literally worse in every way to the m28 con, but its suppressed
m28 con is like a better bolt action with straight pull and 100rpm but it becomes a three shot kill to the body past 75 metres
It's still very useful for ranged medic options
and it has a nade launcher attached to it
torpid wharf
fine whatever then
rotund vapor
graceful prairie
the m1922 is best with lllr
orchid stump
does the suppression give any added bonus, like no or reduced muzzle flash, or not showing up on enemy maps when shooting?
also @torpid wharf I hate AP mines too. I throw nades at entrances at times because i'm paranoid of them
solid hinge
Ross is another bolt pretty much, I heard it has straight pull if you use iron sights but other than that it's a Lee with higher bullet velocity and reduced mag size + rof
warm atlas
I use Recoil Buffer>Ported Barrel>Extended Belt>Chrome Lining
orchid stump
I'm kinda used to playing bolt action iron sights thanks to fuckin' rising storm
solid hinge
P08 carbine is a godsend for recon, it's their best option for closer ranges
orchid stump
So i'm hoping to find a good bolt action that I can do iron sights with
high velocity is a priority for me
solid hinge
I'm not sure about reduced muzzle flash or anything, but it's got like.. half the range of the m28 con so i really dont like using it
orchid stump
oh jeez, well ty for all the tips
warm atlas
Only bolt rifle I really use rn is the Ross with aperture sights.
solid hinge
Lee has 500m/s velocity, m95 and ross have 600m/s velocity, krag and kar have 700m/s velocity
orchid stump
krag has the worst damage though, why would I use it? is the velocity the only benefit?
scenic beacon
Damage doesn't really matter too much on bolts, its always like a 2 shot kill to the body and one to the head anyways, so you may as well take the krag for that extra range
solid hinge
^
scenic beacon
damage is not the most important stat on the bolts, its only relevant if you try and hit people that other players are fighting
opaque quail
Haven't seen it for time
solid hinge
krag has higher rpm than the kar and if you take the left spec tree on it (you should) it has a higher rpm than the m95 as well
and it has a 6 mag
and a sexy reload
orchid stump
Hmm...okay I'll look into them again tyty
solid hinge
No problem!
scenic beacon
np!
solid hinge
Krag is like.. 54 on a body shot right? I think the m95 has the highest damage and it's only like 70 or something
if you can pop those heads then the krag is your best bet
orchid stump
I use the selbstlader 1906 as my main gun. I don't know if the 2x or 3x scope gives glare though?
was thinking of trying out bolt action again, but I'm so used to how good this gun is
scenic beacon
All scopes for SLRs and bolts do
scenic beacon
Bolts are fun to use, but slrs are more practical
solid hinge
Yeah
scenic beacon
sadly
solid hinge
1906 is solid
scenic beacon
Yeah, the 1906 is a pretty good gun
solid hinge
Very stylish weapon
scenic beacon
but no bayonet
Something to keep in mind with SLRs though, headshots don't really matter, its usually a two-tap anyways, headshots are never one shot kills with them, so you may just want to hit center mass, an easier target to hit
solid hinge
Some kid called Osama is one shotting me with a fuckin Gewehr 1-5 
He’s doing 43-2 on Devastation sweaty mofo
remote otter
How do you report people teaming up and cheating on firestorm solo?
weak jolt
teaming is allowed
remote otter
On solo
weak jolt
yeah its allowed on solo
weak jolt
its valid tactics
remote otter
It's called solo for a reason
weak jolt
you just got out-strategized that's all
remote otter
So you want to explain how that is allowed
solid hinge
Is it valid tactics if I camp out the map in a glitch?
solid hinge
It’s cheating plain and simple
weak jolt
not really
solid hinge
Are you high
remote otter
How do you report teaming up on solo
remote otter
Not if it's two clan members
solid hinge
You can’t persuade people there’s no VOIP
remote otter
It doesn't make any difference if it's a clan or two randoms
Solo teaming up is cheating
remote otter
Now how do I report it because I have the recorded
weak jolt
wow 240
weak jolt
oh that's not so good then
torpid wharf
so many op guns
solid hinge
I lost 500-0 due to my team constantly trying to cap C on Devastation where a guy was camping getting like 50+ kills
yeah
jjust want a good game
remote otter
Does anyone care that people are teaming up on firestorm solo???????
solid hinge
Why does everyone treat the centre objective like it gives them a bonus or something
icy sluice
@remote otter Report both players
solid hinge
Don’t even care about firestorm period
icy sluice
It is classified as cheating, not a strategy
remote otter
@icy sluice how do I report them
icy sluice
What platform are you on?
torpid wharf
record the games
remote otter
It's recorded
solid hinge
Bombers on Fjell are so fucking annoying
weak jolt
yeah
solid hinge
Been bombed by the same dude 3 times in a row in different areas
torpid wharf
i hate this game but like it at the same time
strong parrot
hes lvl 24 btw with a 3x lewis 
im sure its all skill
solid hinge
Yeah dude Lewis totally not OP
strong parrot
lmao then he swaps teams back to the defending side again on the next map
to farm more kills...what a pathetic piece of shit
and says in chat "wait who are we reporting" ...yeah really funny
solid hinge
32 players yet I’m on my own capping shit fuck my life
70% of EU Xbox players are pure shit
random rock
we could extend that to 70% of players are pure shit
strong parrot
lmao fucking bipod keeps disappearing
solid hinge
KE7 crouch walkers everywhere
gray glade
is it just me or has the bipod issues gotten worse this last patch?
i feel it undeploys more often
solid hinge
This osama dude has died 7 times in a span of 3 games and has totalled up like 120 kills like Jesus Christ
strong parrot
huh so is this a new bug
everyone in the server going down cant get revived and cant bleed out?
or is it a hack
swift sequoia
Weird
solid hinge
It’s a bug
It’s happened to me a couple times on Panzerstorm
Forced to leave the game each time
solid hinge
If you’re on PC then it’s more than likely a modder
strong parrot
i went down, then kept holding my bleed out and noticed it would just auto refresh itself then in chat more people were saying i cant bleed out, a medic couldnt revive etc
so i just left the match..chocking it up to another bug or hacker 
haughty pawn
only seen this on 1 or 2 person in a game max
including myself
if this happens to me i'm like on 50% health downed and can't bleed out,be revived or whatever
solid hinge
So many bugs in this game it’s ridiculous
haughty pawn
reminds me of the super annoying revive bug that will probably never get fixed ...
i would buy boins for bug fixing instead of cosmetic shit
solid hinge
one day
frostbite seems to get harder and harder to use as it goes on
there are bugs in swbf2 that have been there since launch
like.. they literally cant fix them
haughty pawn
code get's older and bigger and at some point it's beyond repair (of bugs)
solid hinge
The odds of this game becoming fixed to a good standard is about as likely as Amy Schumer making a funny joke
haughty pawn
solid hinge
It just ain’t gonna happen
haughty pawn
it's the old game of fix 1 bug,add 2 more
solid hinge
And if it’s isn’t broken we’ll break it
buoyant heath
Anyone down for some bf4?
haughty pawn
that's the spirit 
dry kiln
I got killed yesterday and while I waited for a revive, I could shoot my guns and throw grenades. However, I did no damage. I never bled out, cause on my screen I was just locked in prone. Redeploy did not work. Waited for several minutes before getting revived. After going to an ammo crate to resupply, I could play like normal again 😅
high solar
@slow creek
haughty pawn
i can't move with that zombie bug,but yeah,shooting works,and same,no dmg
royal gull
I feel like that bug has been around since BFBC2
dry kiln
Yeah, couldn't move either
solid hinge
Becoming so burnt out on this game too quick bored of the same maps, constant bugs, shitty players that never PTFO or do what their intended roles are for.
royal gull
When are they adding the ability to take ammo off of a support trooper without them needing to give it to you?
solid hinge
im only really playing it until I've done the TOW each week
haughty pawn
same,happens sometime i start the game,join 10 matches,leave each of them after 1 min and quit origin lol
dry kiln
They are looking into it. Haven't started to work on it yet @royal gull
According to JackFrags
royal gull
I'm having fun on PS4, though I just started to play.
solid hinge
if they make planes not shit again I might come back and try to fly them more often but 80% of the time they dont even show up as available before someone else has taken them
royal gull
Though I can already see that RoF dominates like usual
haughty pawn
enjoy it,it's great if you are new
solid hinge
accuracy can be pretty important in this one
I legit can’t play with randoms they do my head in it’s like the game knows I hate dumb people and puts me in games with them
royal gull
Got sniped with a Sten today
solid hinge
haughty pawn
that's called karma
solid hinge
Good old sten/mp40 mid map head bangs
pastel zodiac
who in their right mind would think that that map design for fortress in Hamada was a good idea?
pastel zodiac
why is Dice purposely trying to make the game worse?
dry kiln
I loved flying in BF1 once I got the hang of it, but in BFV, I have such a hard time seeing targets. And while I try to go back and forth to hit the targets at the same flag, I get shot down by an enemy plane after 10 sec when they start chasing me.
solid hinge
i used to like flying fighters cause I cant see fucking anything on the ground
Tbh I don’t see how the game could get any worse unless people’s progress was getting deleted
pastel zodiac
yeah lol
solid hinge
but then they changed the flight mechanics
pastel zodiac
the game is barely acceptable
solid hinge
and now fighters can turn slower than bombers
pastel zodiac
and then they just add more fucking hamada
royal gull
I'm not used to 3d spotting being limited after almost a decade of it being standard
haughty pawn
flying,i remember it was once fun,long ago...
solid hinge
there's mercury coming up at the very least
solid hinge
and hopefully by Pacific they'll have sorted out flying for the naval battles
pastel zodiac
whats the point
solid hinge
mhm
solid hinge
let's just wait till the end of autumn
dry kiln
I have a squad that usually fly in BF1, so I can allways enjoy the planes there if I feel like it 😉
haughty pawn
if mercury fails,it will be bad....
solid hinge
hey at least it's not as long as swbf2 had to wait
so when does winter start
Fjell Rotterdam then Narvik god fuckin help me
december 22
that's our release date
there you go
after swbf2 literally nothing is as disappointing
dry kiln
release date for what?
solid hinge
pacific theater
dry kiln
aha
haughty pawn
question is are there any players left by then
solid hinge
it'll probs be only 3 maps
Fallout 76 is the biggest disappointment to ever be made in gaming so I’ll let BFV off for a bit
royal gull
Hopefully the Pacific update is huge and they relaunch the game as Battlefield 1944 to get new blood
solid hinge
they'll try and use mental masturbation like but vehicles count as maps or the size counts as 2 maps or some shit to justify it
haughty pawn
i'm tired of ww2/1/nam,i really need a modern setting
royal gull
Because I can't see us getting another ww2 game from Battlefield or COD for a long time
Unfortunately
dry kiln
I like the ww2 setting, but I wish they have given it more time
dry kiln
They could have worked on bf1 for another year or two, then released bf ww2
haughty pawn
i have to join about 5 games in average til it works,always stuck on the matchmaking screen...
cancel,join,cancel,join,rinse and repeat
dry kiln
@royal gull Yeah, its sad. I've waited on another good ww2 since cod2 and when bf finally made one it flops. It's gonna take so long before they make anotherone now
haughty pawn
best game today i was able to join,4 players in the game,all on the same side
solid hinge
it shocks me how many players bought the boins only skins
like you'd think they'd be rare as fuck
but they're quite common
haughty pawn
whish the would make a bf withe world war 3 setting,sadly that game seems to fail
they look like crap lol
solid hinge
personally I dont think f76 is as disappointing as swbf2 cause f76 was visibly going to be a shitty mess from months in advance
how could someone be willing to spend that much money on a game like this
swbf2 actually was convincing
The red hoodie makes you stand out so much holy moly
im not into star wars at all so idc about bf2
people really like cosmetics
but it cured the lootbox cancer to some extent soooo
good
heh
silver lining
haughty pawn
but i like the german boin skin,it's like a big bulls-eye,really pops up everywhere
solid hinge
like do people actually enjoy the game enough to spend that much money on cosmetics
I've noticed a lot more ernst than seamus
Narvik ended in under 10mins
i guess when the game is a camper's wet dream
most casuals like to camp when given the chance
people spend money on shitty mobile games too
i dont get it
the price value return is awful
$15 for a fucking shitty skin
haughty pawn
the games are aweful
solid hinge
yeah it's terrible
strong parrot
how dare i want to skip this words with friends level...how dare i
solid hinge
Candy crush is pog jk mobile games are pure dog shit
haughty pawn
only mobile game i play is like tetris or solitaire lol
haughty pawn
imagine getting 3 maps for 15 bucks
solid hinge
Using real money for cosmetics
strong parrot
😤 how dare I keep a meme alive
main grove
Oh shit
solid hinge
imagine getting 6
main grove
They’re adding the BF hardline take ammo health from people
solid hinge
cough cough tsnp
main grove
Only if you have a crate equipped
solid hinge
im ok with maps taking longer to come if they're free
free is good.
holy shit now i just remembered the tsnp end of round theme
strong parrot
non fractured player base?! 
solid hinge
GOD DAMN the music was SO good
just the immense hype and tension
Tbh I’d like to drop like £5 on a map rather than wait 8 months for it but mehhh
main grove
Aerodrome is similar to Verdun/Vaux
solid hinge
end of round theme playing AND trench whistles going off in the background
main grove
Best end of round theme is either Twisted steel or Arras though
strong parrot
are you having a crisis over here?
main grove
Well TSNP and TSAR was the peak of both World War battlefields
solid hinge
even the round start themes were freaking awesome
remember the monte grappa one?
Was gonna play Panzerstorm but game crashed thanks DICE ❤️
this is so damn good
okay listen to this
does anything in bfv even compare?
main grove
My top 5 end of round themes are
1.Arras
2.Brusilov/Galicia
3.Fort Vaux/Verdun
4.Twisted Steel
5. Heligoland/Zeebrugge
Yes
Arras
solid hinge
i dont even remember what that sounds like lol
main grove
I fucking love Arras’ end of round
solid hinge
oh yeah i remember
yeah it's good
panzerstorm/rotterdam are also cool
i still think 1's are way way better
main grove
And there’s been a sort of leitmotif that’s been around which I now associate battlefield with more than the actual battlefield theme
You hear it in brusilov, North Sea and twisted steel
solid hinge
what's that
main grove
But a sort of repeated musical bar that appears
weak jolt
zeebrugge was awesome map yeah
solid hinge
will pacific be anywhere near as good as tuti?
who knows
but i seriously doubt it
will it even have its own unique soundtrack?
main grove
It’s flight of the pigeon
That was the original
You hear remixes of it everywhere now
icy sluice
Considering that every expansion of BF1 had exclusive soundtracks, I am sure Battlefield V's will
main grove
icy sluice
Battlefield 4's expansions also had unique soundtracks so...
icy sluice
Should work the same way
main grove
BF4’s soundtrack didn’t stand out though
icy sluice
Battlefield 4 was just how much can we make your subwoofer shake?
solid hinge
and afaik even firestorm's theme was already composed when the game came out
yeah bf4's was meh
it wasnt a very atmospheric game in general
the music and the voiceovers were just ehhhh
icy sluice
Battlefield 3 and 4 had the most meh soundtrack
It's weird that the best ones were 1942, 2, 2142, Vietnam, 1 and V.
solid hinge
v's is actually not that bad tbh
weak jolt
Bad Company 2 themes were amazing
main grove
I’m not saying that electronic music is bad but there was hardly any contrast to the music in BF3 and 4
weak jolt
solid hinge
i just loved dice's approach with realism in that game
instead of trying as hard as possible to make the game a fucking slog like bfv
they took the creative liberties needed to make a fun game and compensated it with atmosphere
and also information
you could just tell they did their homework when it comes to ww1 research
meanwhile in bfv: gewehr m.95 is best gun
main grove
They had more than double the time BFV had
To develop
Since hardline wasn’t made by dice
solid hinge
that bc2 track is dope
main grove
Plus most of DICE left after 1
royal gull
Do we have any info about the Fall Pacific update other than that?
solid hinge
wasnt v made by stockholm and 1 by LA?
main grove
Because what they wanted to do for years had finally been done
solid hinge
and didnt stockholm ship 4 in its fugly state, only for LA to fix it?
royal gull
No and yes
main grove
Why are they split in half?
royal gull
Sweden did 1 and LA fixed 4
solid hinge
so the same guys telling us dont buy if you dont like it
royal gull
LA hasn't done anything but DLC shpport since
solid hinge
were the ones who made 1?
i cant believe it, how could they regress this bad
i mean, yeah, dev time
but i can still tell the core isnt there, like even if they had the dev time the game wouldnt have been as good as 1
royal gull
I really hope the Pacific update is substantial
solid hinge
unless they put in rubbish like attrition last second just for the sake of change
weak jolt
V doesn't have heart like 1 does
royal gull
At least 3 maps (Wake, Guadalcanal, and Iwo Jima)
solid hinge
fair enough
main grove
And he wasn’t even dice
royal gull
Honestly I think that V is a lot better than 1
main grove
He was EA
royal gull
I could not get into 1 at all. I tried and tried and it didn't click for me
solid hinge
pacific should have 5 imo
they really need to fucking nail this
if they're going to prove this live service shit was worth it
that's a shame
solid hinge
1 may not have had the best infantry gameplay, but it just had this magic surrounding it
weak jolt
1 had really great airplay
solid hinge
much better vehicle play in general
main grove
1 had better but less realistic sounds
solid hinge
i didnt like 1 at all
the combined arms aspect was done really well
not perfect but it clicked
give it another try
how many hours do you already have
sometimes it takes playing an inferior game to realize what you've been missing out on lol
royal gull
I just hope they move away from the current style for the next game
solid hinge
they seriously better
every about it is a disaster
attrition, the emphasis on slow paced tactical gameplay
it's miserable
it's not why i got into bf
royal gull
Like how 1942/Vietnam, BF2/2142, BC/BC2, BF3/4, and now BF1/V share styles
solid hinge
1 and v really really dont share styles
main grove
V is more like 3 gameplay wise
solid hinge
but the gameplay is extremely different
Just dont like it
it's the exact opposite
Not enjoyable
royal gull
Aesthetics, core mechanics
main grove
I prefer the deadliness and accuracy of 5 to the arcadey bullet spongey spread of 1
drifting marsh
even weapons in 1 had recoil direction option
on most guns
why does this exist?
main grove
I do agree that I want that back in V
royal gull
BF4 was an outgrowth and expansion on BF3 the same as BFV is to BF1
solid hinge
4 and 3 i can easily agree with
but v is absolutely nowhere near a bf1.5
or.. 2.5?
strong parrot
and .75 reflex sights?
royal gull
I hope the next game is Bad Company 3
strong parrot
yes....thank you for knowing what 0.75 means 
royal gull
Modern day
strong parrot
cold war
soft storm
bad company was basically iraq war style modern day
royal gull
Bc2 had a Vietnam expansion
strong parrot
well cold war ->modern times area
solid hinge
so like cod4?
strong parrot
xm-8 and all
royal gull
Yeah, fake Middle East war that became a US vs Russia war
royal gull
South American, European, and US based maps
solid hinge
i could do with a cold war game
you dont see many of them
last one i played was blops 1
weak jolt
there are loads of Vietnam games
royal gull
Well, just Alaska, but still
solid hinge
planes in ww2 also had teleportation devices
solid hinge
royal gull
BC2 ended with the Russians invading Alaska, so if a BC3 is a continuation it would be mostly set in Canada and the US
midnight nimbus
> BFV playing like BF3
gud joke
drifting marsh
anyone goes to my back
i'm already dead after that
that's why i like 1 and bfv combat
weak jolt
BF3 was super blue
and no one ever knew why
weak jolt
for an entire battlefield game with 5 DLC
DICE did not realize that BF3 is blue as fuk
solid hinge
idk why but it makes me remember the game more fondly