Tiger is still op 
#battlefield-legacy-titles
echo glen
strong parrot
fun 
midnight nimbus
mfw no dank vehicle skins
midnight nimbus
I wish the Tiger didn't like
echo glen
Gib Weed tank pls
midnight nimbus
suck
sullen moth
for me battlefield v vehicles are boring
echo glen
they should add the experimental vehicles
sullen moth
tiger skin is good
solid hinge
Fuck
echo glen
adds the maus
solid hinge
^^
midnight nimbus
yeah but then I'd have to play as a German and use the Tiger
midnight nimbus
Tiger is just really underwhelming
sullen moth
its not op
solid hinge
What.
sullen moth
tiger tanks in bfv isnt like real life
midnight nimbus
it's like maybe the 4th best tank in the game
sullen moth
^^
solid hinge
it's got tank damage going for it but it's so slow
midnight nimbus
if i could use the Archer as a German, I would stop using the Tiger entirely
and the damage isn't even all that
Mk8 out tank duels it
solid hinge
It can get up to speed just low acceleration
icy sluice
Remember this Jacket from the Beta?
https://media.contentapi.ea.com/content/dam/bf/images/2018/05/bfv-revealscreenshot-09-wlogo-web.jpg.adapt.crop16x9.320w.jpg
solid hinge
it still beats it?
midnight nimbus
bruh the Valentine Mk8 is the best tank in the game
sullen moth
its in the game right?
midnight nimbus
no bc the Mk8 has insane RoF for what it is
and the 6pdr has really solid damage
you absolutely gib Tigers with AP rounds as well
solid hinge
icy sluice
I shot down a plane with the 6pdr while on the phone
solid hinge
poor tiger
midnight nimbus
Archer fucks up the Tiger even worse
icy sluice
Me as an assault with the liberator fucks up the Tiger
midnight nimbus
but you kinda need maintenance drills to easily win the duels if you're facing a half decent Tiger driver
wary kelp
See, the reason I run Tigers and Churchills is so my mechanic can keep up with me on foot if need be.
midnight nimbus
yeah I play solo most the time
solid hinge
Can’t be asked to get the 5k CC nothing worth buying just gonna wait till next week
wary kelp
Nah, heavy tanks drive forward with the infantry
solid hinge
no one expects you to zoom in and crash into walls
midnight nimbus
> heavy tanks
> with the infantry
there's your mistake buddy
solid hinge
the challenges for the boys are so shit though
wary kelp
It works when you have a team
solid hinge
midnight nimbus
heavy tanks have shit turn speed tho
solid hinge
Can’t wait for another melee weapon that is broken like the rest ❤️
midnight nimbus
might as well run medium
solid hinge
apcr will make boys sick mark my words
midnight nimbus
since the medium tanks are the best tanks in the game anyways
strong parrot
the boys isnt coming next week??
midnight nimbus
APCR doesn't help much
strong parrot
its coming the week after when you can buy it for CC 
wary kelp
Medium tanks can't take the beating heavies can
echo glen
the boys will be coming next week
midnight nimbus
unless they drop a big change w the patch
solid hinge
I only pick tiger cause nothing else on the German side has satisfying anti tank damage
solid hinge
then it's gimped vs infantry
midnight nimbus
no the KwK40 is still good against infy
solid hinge
Anyways Gn gamers
formal valve
Hamada is epic
wary kelp
What is the point of a tank if not to be the spearhead of an assault?
formal valve
The planes for the attackers need to be available sooner
solid hinge
long range explosive support
midnight nimbus
no being the spearhead of the assault is dumb
solid hinge
tanks spearheading things in bfv goes badly majority of the time
midnight nimbus
BFV tanks are terrible for that
formal valve
I just played a round with a friend as attackers. We both got rocket mounted Spitfires and destroyed the defensive line on A
wary kelp
In self-propelled guns or tank destroyers, sure. Not Heavy/Infantry tanks
midnight nimbus
BFV tanks are good for cleansing objects of objectives and that's it
no the heavy tanks are terrible for aggressive play
strong parrot
JJ following pows footsteps? 
fathom pebble
remember in BF hardline when you could get ammo and health from a friendly by clicking a button without the need of dropping to you?
Twitter
solid hinge
heehee
formal valve
We now already
fathom pebble
its coming back
strong parrot
old news
echo glen
Um, that was discussed a few mins ago
fathom pebble
Bmac no
midnight nimbus
discussed yesterday :/
icy sluice
Discussed before kht120's birth really
strong parrot
the meme machine spreadsheeting guy is active in chat you think he already hasnt mentioned it?
icy sluice
I love spreadsheets!
strong parrot
oh did I mention a name I shouldnt have? 
midnight nimbus
spread mi daddy
solid hinge
the only tank i want spearheading an assault is the sturmtiger with 3 supports repairing it
wary kelp
Different playstyles to different people. Aggressive tankplay can work as long as you understand your limitations and have infantry support
solid hinge
if you have supports you can do anything in a tank
midnight nimbus
infantry tear making machine
icy sluice
I dodged 4 Sturmtiger shells at pointblank as a support
solid hinge
repair rate is stupid good
echo glen
sturmtiger can be good indirect fire
solid hinge
the nade launcher is ridiculously good
icy sluice
I wanna share that clip here, it's fucking hilarious
solid hinge
double kills out the wazoo
midnight nimbus
I wish I could just use the nade launcher as a driver tho
icy sluice
Fuck not sturmtiger...
midnight nimbus
plopplopplop
echo glen
i used a sturmtiger on aerodrome and fired into the main bunker, and killed like 2-3 people in one shot
midnight nimbus
I love calling it in on devastation BT
solid hinge
If the driver got to control that massive cannon AND a 360 nade launcher I'd cry
echo glen
sturmtiger is the absolute chonk
midnight nimbus
you can sit cozy and drop mini V-1s on the objective
icy sluice
Sturmgeschutz
midnight nimbus
NO
icy sluice
I dodged like 4 Sturmgeschutz shells point blank
solid hinge
the very definition of brick shithouse
icy sluice
Bobbing and Weaving
midnight nimbus
bc the StuG blows
icy sluice
It was like Muhammed Ali except he was just dodging
solid hinge
poor stug
formal valve
Hamada would be better in fortress if attackers got planes quicker
They can literally turn the tide of the game
midnight nimbus
F to all the poor souls that want to play StuG for some reason
solid hinge
hamada fortress would be better if attackers had 2 tanks and 2 planes and the enemy had none
formal valve
Like me and my friend just broke the stalemate with two Spitfires VBs and rockets
solid hinge
they dont need any when the entire map is in their favour
midnight nimbus
Hamada Fortress would be better if there were water
so attackers can boost V-1s
and produce massive enemy tears
formal valve
VBs can literally turn the tide
If you strafe with two rocket barrages at the same time at A
solid hinge
Any plane can if it's got a good pilot
formal valve
You can demolish the defense
midnight nimbus
Hamada Fortress should have the Ju-88 for the attackers
solid hinge
One blen can output more explosives I think
midnight nimbus
and the Valentine for the attackers as well
solid hinge
..I'd be okay with that
formal valve
Me and my friend spawned, pummeled it once and the team broke through
formal valve
We weren’t using bombs
solid hinge
even if they hold A it's a terrible place to defend from B
formal valve
We were using auto cannons and rockets
solid hinge
bombs can also do that is my point
formal valve
And killed so many that the line crumbled
midnight nimbus
you can shell the objectives from near the British spawn if you have a tank tho
wary kelp
At the end of the day we can probably agree that Fortress is basically a test bed for a D-Day Operation though, right?
formal valve
Well when your tank decides to be an archer....
solid hinge
@midnight nimbus there was an archer doing that all round but it didnt really change too much
people tend to prone next to the crumbled walls instead of building the sandbags so it's hard for the tanks to hit people
formal valve
But not the Spitfires!
We dived in them so many times
Those rockets are reaaaally good
hexed nexus
formal valve
Stuka can Rek attackers on Hamada
solid hinge
Planes are pretty useless tbh. I’ve never had a game where planes made even a minor difference in the battle. Often the team with more planes up is the team that loses
formal valve
I have many times
heavy maple
Good pilots are dirty
midnight nimbus
yeah, problem is that you need to be a really good pilot to actually sway the battle
heavy maple
saying they are solid killers when you get an ACE
solid hinge
Good pilots play as infantry to actually contribute
a shit pilot is worse than a shit infantry
icy sluice
Well, I think I am going to just spectate Fortress, might be too tired to play.
heavy maple
yes
formal valve
I don’t use bombers
midnight nimbus
I've played with bigboss on my team and it's really comforting knowing that I can just tank and no plane will be alive for more than a minute to touch me
solid hinge
if you're actually genuinely good in a plane you can make a big difference
icy sluice
Minengeschoss is actually pretty neat
formal valve
They are too slow and aren’t really helpful
midnight nimbus
nah bombers are really really helpful
formal valve
@solid hinge that’s what I’m saying
midnight nimbus
Ju-88 is like a V-1 that can be dropped more frequently
solid hinge
bombers ability to absolutely shit on everything in a large radius isnt to be underestimated
formal valve
We are really good at providing support to infantry with strafes
midnight nimbus
too bad non-Ju-88 bombers aren't that great
formal valve
We don’t use bombers
heavy maple
JU is better than most bombers bro
formal valve
Spitfire VB is best bomber lmao
solid hinge
poor blen
heavy maple
no sheit
solid hinge
VA gets those annoying lil bombs
midnight nimbus
Ju-88 is the best bomber
formal valve
Had pretty powerful rockets
midnight nimbus
it's the best plane in the game, period
solid hinge
I think I went for flares on the VB instead of bombs
formal valve
The VB can demolish tanks if you use it correctly
midnight nimbus
A for best bomber, C for best dogfighter
solid hinge
instead of *rockets
wise harness
Hey guys
formal valve
Spitfires are better at dogfights
midnight nimbus
if you die to anything less than a bomber/heavy attack plane in a tank, you kinda suck at tanking
formal valve
JU-88 C sucks ass
solid hinge
the Ju felt way easier to manoeuvre in the air when I tried it today
wise harness
I havent played bf5 in a while
solid hinge
i really do not like the flying changes
midnight nimbus
Ju-88C is the best dogfighter in the game
midnight nimbus
-t. literally the best dogfighter to ever exist in the BF series
midnight nimbus
and?
formal valve
Can be taken down by someone like me in like 10-20 seconds
solid hinge
cant shoot what's behind you
midnight nimbus
you can with the Ju-88
midnight nimbus
switch seats
formal valve
Really?
solid hinge
gunner position
formal valve
Oh I’m thinking of the Mosquito
midnight nimbus
yeah the Mosquito sucks
formal valve
My opinion the Spitfires are really good when used together
midnight nimbus
Ju-88C is still ridiculously good at everything
solid hinge
i dont feel like they're worth picking as much with how the flying feels at the moment
they dont feel like they're agile enough
midnight nimbus
especially given how BFV's dogfighting meta is just dumb
agility doesn't matter that much
solid hinge
for how much less firepower they have
formal valve
JU87 is good for infantry support as well
midnight nimbus
hit those brakes
formal valve
Especially the B1
midnight nimbus
Spitfires are still kinda meh compared to BF109
echo glen
dice pls gib french tank like B1 Bis
midnight nimbus
which can do everything
solid hinge
quad 20mm juicy gets the hmg gunner upgrade too right?
formal valve
@midnight nimbus I find the Spitfires are really good at close infantry support with strafing
midnight nimbus
even if you're a top tier pilot
solid hinge
Best feeling is putting a tank shell through the cockpit of a plane
formal valve
And destroy tanks
midnight nimbus
might as well go for a bomber so you can wipe everyone at once
formal valve
Bombers are not fun
midnight nimbus
> implying Spitfires can kill a tank
formal valve
One if you know exactly where to hit and if you land all rockets I think
Depends on tank
midnight nimbus
I'm pretty sure two Spitfires can't, the rockets have too much spread
maybe on a 38t
formal valve
Dude
solid hinge
I'm pretty sure you wont be destroying anything larger than a light tank with only one spitfire
formal valve
That’s funny
solid hinge
if two do a run from the back of a tank and land all their hits they probably could kill a pz4
i dunno about a tiger
midnight nimbus
nah the British RP-3s kinda suck
solid hinge
I dont think they could bust a max hp tiger
midnight nimbus
much less damage than the German rockets
solid hinge
in which case a bomber is relevant
formal valve
I use them all he time
solid hinge
cause they can bust a tiger and have payload left over
midnight nimbus
all 4 RP-3s can't bust a Tiger
solid hinge
I feel like having more than one fighter isn't as useful as a fighter and a mosquito/blen
formal valve
Shot
midnight nimbus
with upgrade, but you don't have the spread to land them all
formal valve
🤦
midnight nimbus
BF109 is respectably good
bc the rockets are stronger than the RP-3
and they airburst against planes
midnight nimbus
you can use rockets vs planes with the BF109 tho
solid hinge
it's immoral
midnight nimbus
they also have pretty respectable damage
formal valve
They aren’t meant to fight planes
solid hinge
admittedly they do help but still
formal valve
Dude now your just trying to make arguments
solid hinge
20mm cannon best
midnight nimbus
airbursts against planes
160 blast can actually chunk armor hard
can actually one shot infy
huge blast radius
formal valve
Spitfire can out maneuver and outgun it
With its 8 machines guns
Or it’s speed boost
formal valve
Also what do you mean the rockets have spread?
midnight nimbus
yeah rockets have spread
formal valve
They have drop but no spread from what I’ve seen
echo glen
Devastation Fortress is ok, Hamada Fortress is hell
midnight nimbus
all vehicle weapons but tank shells have a pretty decent amount of spread
Spitfire 8x is crazy overrated
solid hinge
tell that to the valentine AA
formal valve
I’ve never noticed any spread on the spitfire that has caused me to miss targets
solid hinge
formal valve
I can hit all 8 from a pretty decent range
midnight nimbus
Spitfire 8x spread is like equivalent to SMG hipfire spread
formal valve
....
midnight nimbus
does half the damage per bullet compared to German plane MGs
formal valve
What are you talking about
solid hinge
you serious?
formal valve
Rockets or machine guns
midnight nimbus
German plane MGs literally do double damage compared to British ones
German rockets are also much stronger
midnight nimbus
double blast damage
midnight nimbus
80 blast vs 160 blast
formal valve
Has .50 and aurocannons
midnight nimbus
for British rockets vs German rockets
solid hinge
standard mg or heavy mg
midnight nimbus
I mean that's just BFV
solid hinge
he has the actual stats
solid hinge
why the heck do they have double mg damage
that's evil
explains why the kill times feel similar between the g2 and the vb despite the g2 having two less machine gune
wary kelp
British tanks are frustrating at times. My Churchill with the 95mm is a nightmare at range
formal valve
At the end of the day I guess it just comes down to preference
Me and my friend like running VBs together
midnight nimbus
well the MG131 in the BF109 does double damage compared to the Spitfire 303s
midnight nimbus
they're equivalent to the Spitfire 50 cals
solid hinge
95mm shell travels so slow you can literally walk away from it
jesus that's brutal
maybe I'll change my plane specs
midnight nimbus
yeah the 95mm is a budget Sturmtiger
wary kelp
When they connect though man do they pack a punch. It's just I have to aim at the moon to hit stuff
random rock
that's the trade-off
midnight nimbus
yeah, but you have to get close, which you don't really wanna do in a heavy tank
wary kelp
It's very multi-purpose. I like how I can go from targeting tanks to buildings/infantry no problem
midnight nimbus
Mk8 is still a better anti everything tank
midnight nimbus
i feel no incentive to run Churchill
midnight nimbus
95mm memes are fun, but the Mk8 is just so easy and versatile
wary kelp
Those chain explosives are low-key awesome at killing sticky dynamite chargers
random rock
Prefer valentines for most engagements, but damn the snakes on the CGC and church are fun
midnight nimbus
the range on that shit is silly if you're on an incline
Mk8 gets silly string too
random rock
yh but it's not so useful because you're usually at some distance in the mk8
midnight nimbus
part of why I don't like German tanks bc no silly string
wary kelp
Ah, but the Tiger has the wonderful S Mine launcher instead
midnight nimbus
but why would you run S mine launcher on the Tiger
solid hinge
..would you really pick silly string on a tank
wary kelp
Because CQB tank my guy. Close up with the infantry
midnight nimbus
Tiger is terrible for ranges where you actually wanna S mine
just use 38t or Pz4
icy sluice
Snake launcher is op
midnight nimbus
CQB tank in BFV is such a shit meme
random rock
^
solid hinge
38t with the s-mines is funny
wary kelp
No, that's actually how I run my tanks tho
solid hinge
skid onto a point and explode
random rock
also AT/AP mine bombers are ridiculous
solid hinge
half from your mines, half from the 5 piats that just hit you
midnight nimbus
RRRR Tiger is the only reasonable way to run it
wary kelp
I have footage to say otherwise but fair enough
random rock
unless yu want the stylish zimmerit paint that only helps against two explosives
midnight nimbus
none of the other paths remotely make sense
> forcing the least aggressive German tank to play aggressively
solid hinge
tfw lmll tiger
midnight nimbus
increased ammo capacity is so crutch
solid hinge
im telling you one day that zimmerit will stop something
midnight nimbus
bc the Tiger has like no ammo
formal valve
Just won another game turning the tide with VBs
midnight nimbus
I avoid zimmerit kind of ranges with the Tiger
random rock
I only ever ran zimmerit because wavy pattern looks nice
solid hinge
You can use the HEATs as bootleg main rounds
random rock
no
midnight nimbus
yeah but then you have to use pineapple wrench
solid hinge
isnt it wonderful
random rock
APCR = load the skill
midnight nimbus
not gonna downgrade my tank just to use HEAT rounds when AP is almost as good
solid hinge
there's no reason for pineapple wrench to be so shit when maintenance drills are so good
formal valve
The Heat rounds can destroy tanks
solid hinge
formal valve
They can like absolutely demolish them
formal valve
I two shot a full health Churchill with it
random rock
but the churchill has spaced sides 
midnight nimbus
I would use HEAT rounds if pineapple wrench were entirely removed from the game
why does it exist
formal valve
What’s wrong with it
random rock
for that one guy at the back of the map
formal valve
Literally isn’t bad at all
midnight nimbus
it's a downgrade
solid hinge
because they suck at making good specs
midnight nimbus
drastically increases your downtime
solid hinge
25% longer repair is significant
random rock
hipfire trombone
midnight nimbus
for like no reward
maintenance drills is actually good af
quickly clear part damage and get back out to win the tank duel
wary kelp
I lowkey miss the days of BF1 when I could give the infantry meds/ammo
midnight nimbus
vs pineapple wrench where you're repairing for so long that the other guy can repair, push, and you rounds off on you
midnight nimbus
Archer with drills 🤤
random rock
one of the bombers can still drop supplies
midnight nimbus
the light tanks can drop supplies
solid hinge
The part damage doesnt feel like it usually makes much of a difference in a fight
wary kelp
The Staghound can but light tanks can't take a beating like heavies
formal valve
Use smoke to cover your retreat and then repair
solid hinge
i jump out and repair manually usually
midnight nimbus
yeah, but your downtime is unnecessarily long for minimal reward
solid hinge
faster
random rock
Staghound = budget Daimler imo
midnight nimbus
yeah, you might as well hop out instead of running pineapple wrench
and pineapple wrench makes clearing part damage so painful
wary kelp
Careful with hopping out though; i've seen plenty of tanks get stolen after a sniper gets the driver
formal valve
I will agree there’s other downside to the HEAT rounds @midnight nimbus
midnight nimbus
especially on something like the Tiger, where turret damage is incredibly annoying
solid hinge
I wouldn't jump out if I had drills but I'd jump out if it was default repair rate
I'm generally quite careful about it
formal valve
They have absolutely horrid drop off
midnight nimbus
play Breakthrough, where snipers don't kill you when you get out
solid hinge
I've got the turret traverse up so nyeh nyeh
midnight nimbus
ez
turret traverse isn't helpful enough on the Tiger imo
i'd rather have more ammo for higher uptime
tiger is best played as an artillery piece anyways
wary kelp
I just run a mechanic/ridealong hull gunner so repairs aren't really a problem unless I got track/turret damage
midnight nimbus
I mean it's awesome when I have a friend playing rep monkey
solid hinge
any tank is viable with a dedicated repair buddy
midnight nimbus
but it's not something you always have
raven wadi
wary kelp
I don't touch the tanks when I don't have backup. Rather play assault if I need to deal with armor
solid hinge
kind of silly that one archer being repaired can 1 v 2 other tanks
midnight nimbus
I've 1v3ed without a rep monkey before in the Archer
bc you can hit people at silly ranges
and track them through smoke and foliage 😂
wary kelp
Sure, I've been ambushed by Archers in the past and if I don't see em right away they'll get me unless I pop emergency repairs asap
midnight nimbus
also field repair is a pretty shit spec
doesn't give you enough health for what it is
wary kelp
More of a Churchill Gun Carrier user over the Archer though
solid hinge
tfw used to have to run field repair when engine was permanently broken
wary kelp
Again, I like the armor. Even though you can't CQB a CGC
solid hinge
archer's a lot faster than that fat box
midnight nimbus
you don't need heavy tank health to play long range tank slayer
both tanks suck up close
and the Archer has better damage output
solid hinge
archer is better up close than the cgc is
midnight nimbus
AND 40 ROUNDS
midnight nimbus
AND A SPOTTING SCOPE
solid hinge
and ^
solid hinge
god I wish the stug was an actual tank destroyer
wary kelp
I don't run the CGC unless I've tried and failed multiple times up close and want to provide suppressing fire from afar. I've tried the StuG but can't get it to work for the life of me
midnight nimbus
yeah being short isn't a real advantage
not for tanking
also the StuG driver can't use the MG
mfw
wary kelp
Well the hull gunner gets that 360 nonexposed gun which is cool?
midnight nimbus
yeah being reliant on the gunner position sucks
wary kelp
Yeah... which again, I'd rather run Panzerfausts than a StuG tbh
midnight nimbus
no one who guns is good
if your aim is good enough to gun, you generally don't sit in a secondary tank seat anyways
and there's the problem
anyone who is good enough to gun is better off playing infantry
wary kelp
Also, has anyone figured out how to get the PIAT working well at range? I swear that thing can't hit anything reliably beyond like 20 meters
wary kelp
It just has that lob. Like Panzerfausts drop at long distance is predictable
midnight nimbus
just aim better
solid hinge
The drop is a pain but you get used to it
wary kelp
Fair enough. I'm also that OCD guy that only uses the PIAT when playing as the British so... yeah
solid hinge
If you stand still and aim it's accurate enough to hit exactly the same location
wary kelp
I just need more practice with it tbh
solid hinge
just gets super inaccurate when moving
You can tell if you look at the minimap
The targeting circle gets bigger when you move iirc
wary kelp
Gotcha
solid hinge
i can't believe that
midnight nimbus
zero spread
midnight nimbus
chair keyboard error
solid hinge
I refuse to accept this
wary kelp
I must say though, it's very satisfying sniping tanks on the cliff on Aerodrome when defending from A with the Panzerfaust
echo glen
I like panzerfaust infantry eliminations
wary kelp
Nah, I'm happy to keep them off the point, gives the infantry less support
Add in some scout players on the other team and it's a winning strat
At least for Breakthrough
midnight nimbus
i haven't lost an Aerodrome BT attack in forever
it's so hilariously one sided
it's literally my favorite map/mode in the game
wary kelp
My defense strategy: On the first sector defend A with 1 support, 1 medic, the rest assaults. If you lose the sector, the Hangar has focus on the hallways, with preferably one MG42 facing each way and a medic keeping them up.
midnight nimbus
I just farm everyone with tanks until the server empties
I've had a decent number of games where it's like 31v15 by the end
drifting marsh
that's so evil
random rock
cries in hamada
midnight nimbus
I'm pissed I haven't gotten a 100+ on Aerodrome BT yet
strong parrot
must be nice having broken mechanics
wary kelp
Had a guy in a Valentine get 102 kills the other day but we held them in the first sector
strong parrot
thanks for proving my point
strong parrot
Im not scum 
drifting marsh
bf3 had unlimited lol
midnight nimbus
yeah, but that was balanced by mortars and 9 RPGs per engineer
if you have the squad perk
drifting marsh
ikr so cool
wary kelp
I miss mortars. Fun af on BF1
midnight nimbus
same
drifting marsh
and armour vehicles take long to destroy too
midnight nimbus
you could actually do something about camping vehicles
drifting marsh
if you hit them in the wrong side mostly
coral fiber
Fortress on hamada is like D-day Oof
wary kelp
^In b4 D-Day Grand Operation
echo glen
D-Day grand op is a dream
strong parrot
a dream of undoubtedly unbalanced shit 
midnight nimbus
would be fun to be a defender
wary kelp
I feel like that's what DICE had in mind for Grand Ops because otherwise the BF1 formula for Ops was perfect
And you could definetley balance it with some adjustments. Give the Allies some amphibious tanks or maybe some cruiser fire support squad call in
midnight nimbus
or just... don't have D-Day
wary kelp
Why have Grand Ops if no D-Day?
midnight nimbus
D-Day would probably require some ridiculous vehicle setup
solid hinge
they arent exactly very grand
strong parrot
there were more "grand-op" like battles than just d-day 
drifting marsh
conquest assault too
midnight nimbus
where if the attackers have competent vehicle operators, they stomp, but if they don't, they get stomped
wary kelp
I know they aren't very Grand. I hate how only the third day matters
dusty topaz
I wanna battle in aylas field
strong parrot
the third day doesnt even matter
its just treated as 3 different matches anyways right
midnight nimbus
^
wary kelp
If you lose days 1 and 2 but win day 3 you win the Grand Op tho?
midnight nimbus
pretty sure that's how it works
they're 3 separate games
with a combined scoreboard
strong parrot
you win 2 days but lose 1 your profile will still reflect 2 wins and a loss
wary kelp
...
strong parrot
bruh moment
wary kelp
Yep, Grand Ops are dumb
strong parrot
coral fiber
They need to bring back bf1 operations setup
strong parrot
also scores carrying over from previous days
wary kelp
Meanwhile, I don't know what this magical day 4 is cuz I haven't had it yet
drifting marsh
yeeeeeeee
wary kelp
BF1 Operations actually felt like a bigger picture battle. Have the gripes you may for its arcade-like feel at times, but honestly I wonder if the Grand Ops formula was to cover for the utter lack of maps at launch
drifting marsh
grand really sucked
it even has few servers
unlike bf1 operation or conquest in both games
wary kelp
Also, quick aside. Can we please get the fully functional Twisted Steel bridge into a map somehow? It's so much nicer than the broken one
solid hinge
Just bring back grind
midnight nimbus
or at least a partial catwalk under the collapsed bridge
solid hinge
It'd take me all day to pronounce the name of the man who designed this rifle Way back in the 19th century The man should be proud One of the best bolt-action rifles out there
Get rid of squad cq
midnight nimbus
SQCQ is great
solid hinge
It'd take me all day to pronounce the name of the man who designed this rifle Way back in the 19th century The man should be proud One of the best bolt-action rifles out there
wary kelp
The real kicker would be being able to level the bridge with a V1
midnight nimbus
I want it to be the comp mode
shut cipher
@wary kelp like on grind
wary kelp
@shut cipher yes but for other game modes besides grind
solid hinge
No one fucking plays it
midnight nimbus
yeah because you actually have to not suck for it to be fun
solid hinge
Any game mode can be fun without sucking
midnight nimbus
and it's ridiculously one sided if it's randoms vs coordinated players
I always find fun in spawn trapping people though
solid hinge
Squad cq is ALWAYS one sided cuz it matches up 4 v 8
wary kelp
Breakthrough>Frontlines>Everything else that's permanent in the game so far
solid hinge
It’s dogshit
midnight nimbus
balanced SQCQ matches are amazing
solid hinge
^^
solid hinge
WTF is a balanced squad cq match
midnight nimbus
they're rarer than diamonds
solid hinge
Lmao they never happen
wary kelp
But diamonds aren't rare...
solid hinge
Thus should be replaced with Grind
midnight nimbus
Grind is even more fun to spawn trap on
wary kelp
Grind was fun but could get one sided very quickly
midnight nimbus
i'd inflate my winrate so hard if they kept grind
wary kelp
Haven't gotten to try Fortress yet tho
midnight nimbus
48p Grind with no MMGs or flares when
solid hinge
You can do that anyways by leaving losing matches 
fortress is the best winrate inflater
midnight nimbus
I've never lost a Grind game
solid hinge
Win rate means nothing
wary kelp
My top 3 grind set ups
- MMG
- Medic
- Spotting Flare guy
coral fiber
What?
midnight nimbus
i sit by the B flag ammo box and hopefully have an ammo crate nearby
solid hinge
tfw only person who uses flares
midnight nimbus
you can keep flares up 24/7
the maps are so fucking narrow that one person can completely cover the width of the map
solid hinge
every time i stop being recon i cry from the lack of spotting
wary kelp
Bruh, I would be on top of my team from using flares on grind cuz you spot the whole enemy team every time lmao
midnight nimbus
so flanking becomes impossible
then you move up while flare spamming
and boom, there's your spawn trap
solid hinge
*flanking becomes impossible if your team actually looks at their map
topaz dome
*shoots down your flares* oops
midnight nimbus
Grind is basically 64p domination without the one thing that makes domination work
bruh with one attrition crate and a few ammo crates
you can put up so many flares by yourself
wary kelp
Wish they added in tanks/arty just for the insanity
midnight nimbus
also, you can't shoot down flares when you're being spawn trapped
solid hinge
if you call canisters you can get another canister before the first one disappears
wary kelp
^
solid hinge
and the flares make enough points to have infinite canisters
drifting marsh
...i don't know what that means
midnight nimbus
epic keeping up 24/7 flares while my friends endlessly PIAT their spawn
wary kelp
The free points for healing/resupplying teammates are nice too
wary kelp
Put yourself in a spot where you aren't next to the ammo/med stations with static teammates and it'll get used alright
solid hinge
people are allergic to interacting with useful things I swear
wary kelp
My ammo crates on the other hand. No love
solid hinge
i had a guy come up complaining about ammo and pistol popped me a couple of times
he was standing on my crate
drifting marsh
icy sluice
So, Fortress is kinda shit
wary kelp
lmao.
Teammate on other side of room: I need meds
Me: Throws down med crate
Teammate: Stares at me before running away
strong parrot
i legitimately shot a friendly medic....30 times with my revolver yesterday to get a fucking HP pack from him
drifting marsh
they're real assholes
strong parrot
yeah...give me fucking hp
drifting marsh
strong parrot
or when im on like 10%
wary kelp
Don't remind me of the camo be gone patch coming soon
strong parrot
fucking flashing for a medic
and i dont get heals
actually kill me in game not real life because thats against tos
strong parrot
i really hope when you revive someone
you resupply them with a med pack automatically
fucking annoying
midnight nimbus
sounds too good to be true
strong parrot
revive with 100% hp but no way to heal
wary kelp
You know what grinds my gears? Getting in a firefight and using your med kit only to be hit instantly after activating it
solid hinge
it's an interesting mechanic
wary kelp
Attrition system my guy
solid hinge
changes a lot of fight results
midnight nimbus
doesn't make it a good mechanic
midnight nimbus
auto regen was the FPS standard for ages for a reason
wary kelp
Eh, before that was health bars with med packs so that argument cuts both ways
Repairing your tank from within though? That's another story
midnight nimbus
repairing your tank from the inside is fine
auto regen would've been better but whatever
drifting marsh
it's slow?
wary kelp
It's a bit much. I think it would balance vehicles better if you could only repair while on foot. That goes for planes as well
solid hinge
how you gonna repair a plane on foot
wary kelp
By landing
midnight nimbus
how are pilots supposed to repair on foot lmaoooo
ivory geyser
lmao
midnight nimbus
where tf are you supposed to land
solid hinge
landing is almost impossible
midnight nimbus
auto regen for air was perfectly fine
wary kelp
That's the challenge my guy. Not my problem
solid hinge
the landing mechanics suck
wary kelp
It'd be a good way of keeping pilots under control though
solid hinge
they do! sometimes your wheels come out when you fly low and ruin your maneuverability and kill you.
midnight nimbus
know what's a good way of keeping pilots under control
drifting marsh
enters a fortress match in the end screen
gets a reward for that
midnight nimbus
ammo pool and auto regen
midnight nimbus
epic design: when the Ju-88 16x bombs get regenerated just as fast as normie MG ammo
wary kelp
I'ma stick with landing. For future Battlefields I would make aircraft maps have runways for both teams to use
midnight nimbus
yes runways in previous titles are so epic
when people can just run in and steal vehicles
or mine your spawn
and there's nothing you can do about it
wary kelp
Airfield security's important my dude-SAS in WWII
wary kelp
Guy who uses weapons based on what faction he's playing raises hand
midnight nimbus
if you want more downtime for planes, remove attrition and put auto regen and ammo pool back in
icy sluice
If you're slow and to the ground, you're plane is in a landing state, if it's like that and you're in a dogfight, well,. you're fucked
The only way to fucking evade any dogfighter is to basically slow down, whoops they're doing it too now we're landed and I can't lift off because the game doesn't have good plane control when getting up
wary kelp
I saw something on reddit months ago where two guys in a dogfight landed in the middle of the fight lmao
BFV plane mechanics are just wonky af at times
icy sluice
I usually blow the fuck up when just trying to take off mid dog fight
By the way, I miss a lot of throwing knives... but this...
https://streamable.com/5692t
Mom, get the fucking camera
wary kelp
Nice. I didn't know they were in the game until I got killed by one after like 3 months of playing lol
leaden glen
What does high latency mean?
icy sluice
I'm gonna die in one way, better do a high risk high reward thing
Your connection is SHITE
The time it takes to get information from the server to you is shite
leaden glen
Does it affect gameplay at all?
wary kelp
I have a controversial but true rule of thumb: The more scouts you have on your team, the less likely you're going to win, period. And at times, yes
icy sluice
It will most likely affect it a lot
Depending on the actual number given
If it's saying to you that it's high latency, you're most likely going to have a bad time
wary kelp
I once had a match at latency 1000. It was not fun
sacred junco
well this is about everything i hated about operations condensed into a mode
i really don't get it
there is literally nothing that puts defense at any kind of disadvantage
sacred junco
you die you spawn 10m away from a cap
wary kelp
Simple. Fortress=MMG heaven
icy sluice
Fortress is just Claustrophobia
sacred junco
its like the worst parts of Operations
icy sluice
Like... the layout sucks for it.
solid hinge
the attackers really deserve some kind of.. something
icy sluice
I loved the Fortress parts of Operations but this just ain't it.
sacred junco
its the le epic mode ppl wanted
wary kelp
I would have given the attackers arty
solid hinge
faster spawns or something
icy sluice
Monte Grappa, Empire's Edge, Fao Fortress especially all felt good
wary kelp
Monte Grappa b4 patch so the bunker was part of the cap zone=funnest Operation ever
icy sluice
The 'fortress' in Battlefield V just isn't big enough
sacred junco
and the caps where attackers are more exposed for entering in
you mean most boring part of operations
i never understood ppls love for 64 player nade fest
where you do nothing but look straight on a lane
i get jack done and its boring as fuck
wary kelp
Nah, MG15 gave me an 84-11 match once. Still one of my favorite memories on there
sacred junco
i quit BF1 for 2 years because I hated Operations so much
wary kelp
My clan literally ran an Operations Day every saturday. DIfferent strokes for different folks I guess
drifting marsh
wow..
sacred junco
and barely got to play other BF games post launch since more than half are metro servers
icy sluice
The thing is is that I really fucking hate that we don't have smoke on classes that can kill really really effectively
wary kelp
^I miss my smoke as support
icy sluice
Lewis Gun + Smoke
or
Turner SMLE + Smoke should work
sacred junco
ppl never put on smoke in most cases anyways
gotta have gas nades, flame nades, and 60+ other gadgets that get you more kills
wary kelp
I miss gas grenades too tbh. The gas mask mechanic was unique
midnight nimbus
give smoke grenades to support
wary kelp
Well BF1 had that neato perk where if you spotted a downed teammate it would set off a smoke grenade on them
midnight nimbus
I wish smoke grenades gave off less smoke but you had more of them
icy sluice
5 smokes pls
wary kelp
Nah, the smoke is perfectly fine as is on BFV atm
icy sluice
Also, do we know when this patch is?
Smoke can be laggy, so that might be why Assault and Support don't have it
wary kelp
I don't want this patch. We're gonna become glowing Jesus
icy sluice
"Glowing" was in Battlefield 4.
wary kelp
Have you seen the before and after tho?
icy sluice
I did just sneak past like 10 guys in Hamada Fortress as Green af Seamus
Yeah I have, and as I will say again, the same thing was in Battlefield 4
wary kelp
I should confess that I never got to play BF4 if I'm being honest
digital seal
@wary kelp lmao "neato" perk 😄
wary kelp
It was different. Like it was useful, don't get me wrong. Just kinda random
Now the medics get actual grenades instead I guess
wary kelp
Smoke is concealment, not cover
midnight nimbus
proning is rubble is so much worse than it was before
soldier glow isn't the only change
and I'm HYPE
wary kelp
Just saying, I don't get why we have all these different camos we can spend irl money on if we're gonna glow anyways
icy sluice
Trying to find that picture showing Battlefield 4's also glowing soldiers
But I can't find it
icy sluice
Found it
midnight nimbus
like irl visibility isn't nearly as bad as BFV's
wary kelp
Yeah, that glow is terrible too
midnight nimbus
if you know what a soldier looks like, and if you're looking in the direction of a soldier, you should see the soldier
end of story
wary kelp
Also, you underestimate how dark darkness can be
If we had a night map with actual darkness no one would see jack
midnight nimbus
good thing there's nothing that dark in BFV
icy sluice
If I am in a bush and I can't see out of it, you shouldn't be able to see me either
midnight nimbus
^
wary kelp
True.
midnight nimbus
plus, there's plenty of ways around nighttime visibility
icy sluice
Thankfully people sprint in headlessly, I prone next to those bushes in Twisted Steel all the time and I see like 20 people run over me
midnight nimbus
just change ambiance, brightness, and contrast
wary kelp
That's manipulating your settings though. That's like those guys that run the ultra low-def graphics
I would actually find it interesting to play on a map where the only way you could see was from tracers, muzzle flashes and flares
At least in a WWII shooter
The fog of war would become a real thing
icy sluice
Do remember that this is a video game that can be really fast paced, not exactly a simulation either
wary kelp
Sure. Not looking for a simulation, just chaos
People would be shooting everywhere or up in each other's faces just to see
On a modern BF you could just have night vision goggles
But, I'm the minority here so I recognize that
Still think we need a night map though
Like an actual one, not just as part of a grand op
strong parrot
just lost another fucking defense lmao
these fucking useless worthless pieces of shit
THERES A TEAM OF RECON SPAWNING IN THE BROKEN TOWER AT B WITH A SPAWN BECON THATS SPOTTED
and 10 fucking people ignore them
wary kelp
Easy lad. Blue dots be blue dots
strong parrot
i see them throw a fire nade at them try to hipfire with the 1922...die...and these morons just fucking ignore it we lose the point then about instantly lose C
lmao..fucking trash tier game mode
also bipods fucking suck still
wary kelp
Honestly it just comes down to having a good squad to play with
strong parrot
getting slid off the ledge im prone on with it set up...yay
thanks for fucking me game 
only got 7/10 fortifications built too thats how sad the round was
wary kelp
If you know you're gonna have to move might I recommend something like the Lewis gun since it still gets a decent sized mag while being aimable on the move?
strong parrot
they had 70ish lives left when they won the round too lol
it was under 8 minutes lmao
icy sluice
Fortress has a good use though
XP by just sitting next to a resupply station and firing flares
wary kelp
^That and assignment farming
drifting marsh
how many maps fortress has?
icy sluice
Dos
icy sluice
They said it was impossible to find a layout that would be doable on every single map
drifting marsh
yeah that's sad
icy sluice
Looking at the maps, I don't see it being possible on any other map
The only other map I see it working on is Aerodrome's Hangar or Narvik's Bridge.
drifting marsh
tru
rose pilot
strong parrot
lul so more than half the time you still wont get anything anyways 
midnight nimbus
i'm interested to see how this shifts the meta
ammo crate is already the better pick over pouches
health crate and health pouches seem like sidegrades now
jolly quartz
Ammo crate and health pouch
Ammo crate resupplies gadgets and used to certain grenades
You can infinitely toss out health pouches
solid hinge
rose pilot
Got my ToW CC in one sitting. 
lunar lion
rose pilot
Waiting for that female french elite that was apparently leaked
echo glen
are boins worth it
versed notch
To flex yeah
midnight nimbus
lmao went on a 46 killstreak on Fortress
Hamada might be unwinnable as attackers
but it's fun af farming the defenders
solemn wedge
Lewis is neat for that
midnight nimbus
Valentine is neater
solemn wedge
thought it was going to be at least a 3 map mode
midnight nimbus
i played once on defense to memorize where the cannon is
solid hinge
if you can get the emplacements built in about 30 seconds that is
midnight nimbus
on attack, i just sniped out the cannon first thing off spawn
solid hinge
only attacking tactic that works on hamada seems to be taking C and rolling up the defences from the rear
later thais year
latent bridge
oh ok thanks
solid hinge
thats whats a bit off with fortress imo, the point of the mode is taking the fortress and most people only seem interested in farming, perhaps make winning as an attacker more desirable
midnight nimbus
maybe don't make it unwinnable for attackers
solid hinge
also occurs to me that the returning maps may be montecasino from the rode to rome "DLC" from BF1942. that map is a natural for this mode
sacred junco
you can' treally charge in when its so hard to even dislodge em
I was hoping for more of a surround type of mode
where attackers can attack in multiple directions
and defenders have a central fortress to defend
Hamada could've worked that way
midnight nimbus
Valentine farming > winning
solid hinge
in room squad 4