#battlefield-legacy-titles

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green elm
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i die a little inside when i tag a medic for 80+ damage because they’ll have healed it off in a few seconds

stoic breach
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They should give medics a healing cooldown and significantly speed up their revive animation

midnight nimbus
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i would prefer slower cooldown + ARs for medic

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just give medics BF1-style revive

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with a slower cooldown, so you can't revive train as hard

stoic breach
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I like how medics have syringe by default

midnight nimbus
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me too

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so you don't need to give up a gadget slot

stoic breach
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The animation is pretty much whats stopping revive train but its too long for the purpose of reviving

midnight nimbus
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we just need better gadgets for medic now

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^^

stoic breach
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Yeah

midnight nimbus
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slower cooldown would stop revive train

green elm
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i think it’s fairly short tbh

stoic breach
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I'm assuming the Trombonchino is also gonna be shit

midnight nimbus
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current revive doesn't even stop revive train bc there's still little cooldown

dense bone
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i like that medics have a distinct play style

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i dont see the point in making classes play pretty much the same

midnight nimbus
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well, archetypes should've made it into the game

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you could have multiple play styles for medic

stoic breach
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The class roles are too limited

weak marsh
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@stoic breach it will not

stoic breach
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Wat

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Whats this about

weak marsh
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According to the dev who test it is gonna be the best gun of the medic class

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The Tromboncino

green elm
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i wonder if we’ll ever get the chance to play all guns as all kit weapons

stoic breach
green elm
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might be a fun experiment

midnight nimbus
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e.g.:
frontline medic:
primary: high RoF SMGs, 1907, VG 1-5
gadget 1: medpouch
gadget 2: AT pistol for breaking fortifications fast

combat medic:
primary: MP34, ZK, StG 44, Ribey
gadget 1: med crate
gadget 2: grenade launcher, switch between HE and smoke rounds

dense bone
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bfv is kind of class based, but its not dramatic like OW or seige where you have to play things specifically for that class

light coral
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Never was a fan of all kit in BF4 and BFH

midnight nimbus
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@weak marsh devs who test the game also tend to not be very good at the game

dense bone
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/character

midnight nimbus
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[x] to doubt

light coral
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Always ended up with everyone and thier mom using the best of either all kit category

weak marsh
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Still i trust them

midnight nimbus
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like in internal playtests, the first stage of Panzerstorm BT always fell to attackers in 4 minutes lol

stoic breach
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The class role perks could've been much more interesting as well

midnight nimbus
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bc devs aren't good at their own game

stoic breach
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Without breaking the game

weak marsh
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And remember that the Carcano is in 6x52 Carcano

midnight nimbus
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i'd still bet the house on it sucking

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like even if it has a good 2BTK, you can only make a bolt action shoot so fast

dense bone
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id bet a team of dice employees vs randoms the dice employees would win

midnight nimbus
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also doubt

light coral
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Lol depends on the randoms

midnight nimbus
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gotta remember how many of these guys don't play PVP games

dense bone
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90% of bf randoms are trash

midnight nimbus
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90% of DICE employees don't play PVP FPS

dense bone
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id bet the dice players would at least play the obj and not worry about kdr...

midnight nimbus
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so

light coral
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Yeah so many consistently bottom of the barrel randoms out there

dense bone
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and its not like all dice employees are part of balancing

light coral
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Lol it seems a bit far fetched that 90% of all dice employees never touch pvp fps games

solid hinge
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it fell when they played it cause they actually advanced in tanks

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while everyone else who plays tanks knows that advancing makes you die

dense bone
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so even if 95% of the players at dice are absolute trash, as long as they arent asking about balance its fine

midnight nimbus
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because they don't realize that you should realistically have all infy spawn in as assault

dense bone
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what?

solid hinge
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guess they're playing as you should do and everyone else is playing as they've learnt how to

midnight nimbus
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you only need a few supports to run rep monkey and keep the tank supply depots built

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as defenders, just run all assault

dense bone
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that makes no sense at all

midnight nimbus
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tanks have enough spotting capability on Panzerstorm to render recon useless

stoic breach
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Its mostly about assault being a main infantry force

midnight nimbus
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you only need one Archer to spot everyone

stoic breach
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Like how Battlefront 2 classic does standard units as the most common because the others are too situational

dense bone
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smokes and revives are not situational

midnight nimbus
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without Ammo 2.0 and good explosive distribution, there will never be a reason to not run the anti tank class on tank maps

stoic breach
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Well you cant revive in Battlefront 2 so its a little bit different

midnight nimbus
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you realistically don't even need supports

dense bone
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i think youre placing too much emphasis on killing

midnight nimbus
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ammo pouches can't resupply rockets

dense bone
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but thats just seemingly how you play the game

midnight nimbus
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can't cap without killing

dense bone
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cant cap without getting on the point

light coral
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Lol I have

dense bone
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and you can cap without killing

stoic breach
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The killing power of assault right now is enough to outweigh every other class

light coral
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Because dumb ass enemies will just leave the contested cap zone

stoic breach
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In any situation

midnight nimbus
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if there's more enemies than friendlies on the flag, you need to kill them

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anyways, there's no reason to run medic or recon while defending on a vehicle heavy map

dense bone
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again, you literally cant cap unless you get on the point

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you dont NEED to kill to cap

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its just generally you do

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but you cant cap if youre only killing

midnight nimbus
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don't care for capping anyways

dense bone
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we know

midnight nimbus
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too risky when you're tanking

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too many things you can't control

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more fun to shell the helpless infantry

dense bone
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i can control not getting into a tank

light coral
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^

dense bone
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and clearing obj myself and capping them myself

light coral
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I think I have like 5 minutes spent in all vehicles so far in BF5

midnight nimbus
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defending on Hannut GO is peak fun

dense bone
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fun =/= winning

stoic breach
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Sometimes thats the case

dense bone
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im not saying they are exclusive

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but the statement is fun=/=winning

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which is true

stoic breach
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Yeah

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I just remembered something

icy sluice
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Does battletracker work on mobile?

stoic breach
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Wasnt there like an ability in BF1 that let you avoid getting spotted if you were crouched or something?

light coral
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Just from flares

stoic breach
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That ability for recon pathfinder would be great

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Since pathfinder is not very useful

dense bone
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i woudlnt know, i didnt play bf1 much, thought it suffered from too many bad decisions

light coral
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Well in BF5 you can just shoot them out of the sky

stoic breach
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Any buff for recon would be great

dense bone
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velocity buff

midnight nimbus
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counterspotting should be in the game

stoic breach
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Shooting flares isnt really a primary reaction in a firefight

dense bone
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1 shot headshot slrs under certain range

midnight nimbus
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and passive spotting to go with it

light coral
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I've done it a million times

stoic breach
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Thats great if you can do it, depth in gameplay and all that

light coral
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I hear a flare and there's no recon mates around me, I look up and shoot it

split spoke
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So there are microtransactions in bfv right

dense bone
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yes

stoic breach
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Yes

dense bone
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and counter spotting is shoot the flare

midnight nimbus
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tbh, CQB OHSK for SLRs makes no sense to me

split spoke
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And from what i hear you can only unlock the cool skins by paying money

midnight nimbus
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counter spotting as in knowing if you're spotted

stoic breach
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Thats how money works

dense bone
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sweet spot ohsk makes no sense at all

split spoke
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Hmmmm big thonk

midnight nimbus
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it makes sense gameplay-wise

stoic breach
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It didnt make sense until they added the rainbow glint

midnight nimbus
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i mean SARs are allowed to benefit from headshots at range

split spoke
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Seems pretty anti consumer ngl

midnight nimbus
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why not SLRs

dense bone
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sars benefit from headshots

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it doesnt matter the range

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slrs dont benefit from headshots at all

midnight nimbus
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1916/G43 don't really benefit well from headshots

dense bone
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still benefit

stoic breach
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They're still effective enough that they dont need them

dense bone
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^

midnight nimbus
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i wouldn't mind ranged OHSK for SLRs if scope glint for SLRs only appeared in this range

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no scope glint otherwise

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also 6x makes no sense

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rather have a 4x option

stoic breach
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My friend wanted an 8x

light coral
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Lol I love the 6x

icy sluice
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@midnight nimbus I think they should get ohsk at close ranges

dense bone
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sweet spot isnt coming, asking for sweet spot slr ohsk is getting too specific

midnight nimbus
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i used to meme with the 6x + 1906

icy sluice
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Like the commando carbine

dense bone
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^

midnight nimbus
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you have your revolver for close range OHSK

brazen island
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any1 play grind?

slate carbon
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no what is grind

dense bone
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why do i have to go to my secondary to OHSK?

shrewd grove
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@split spoke you'll be able to earn epics through ToW rewards and whatnot

icy sluice
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Yeah but what if someone just jumps out a corner?

brazen island
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game mode

stoic breach
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Man the De Lisle is so shit but its fun to mess around with

brazen island
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for the de lesie or something

midnight nimbus
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for some SLRs, i wouldn't mind both CQB and ranged OHSK

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would be interesting to play with

light coral
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Would be complained about to high heavens

dense bone
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now youre getting rid of bolts only space of use

midnight nimbus
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exactly

stoic breach
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I wish the Model 8 had a faster ROF in BFV

solid hinge
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Count me in! Haha

stoic breach
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Spammy gun

icy sluice
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At least the zh

dense bone
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model 8 rof is good

midnight nimbus
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i don't care too much for SLR headshot buffs though

shrewd grove
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Just give sweetspots back already

midnight nimbus
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i'd rather see RoF/range buffs

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225 RPM Model 8 pls

stoic breach
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Its just slow and I feel like I could just use the RSC instead

dense bone
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sweetspots is gross

midnight nimbus
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200 RPM isn't good enough compared to SARs

dense bone
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RSC has slower ROF

midnight nimbus
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give RSC 70m 2BTK

green elm
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bolt action with sweet spot specialisation?

light coral
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We have the weakest rifles in BF history and people still complain about them. Any sort of OHK for slrs would cause a community meltdown

midnight nimbus
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Model 8 stays at 50m

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163 RPM Model 8 extended pls

dense bone
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theres already ohk in the commando carbine

midnight nimbus
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or 225 RPM 5-round clip fed

dense bone
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havent heard anyone complain about that gun at all

stoic breach
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Wheres the commando ohk?

midnight nimbus
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30m

stoic breach
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What

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Thats the length of my feet

dense bone
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under 30m commando OHSK

midnight nimbus
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it's virtually the same damage as shotgun slugs

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except slugs can OHK up close

stoic breach
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I have never ohk'd anyone but I should probably try

dense bone
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its fun when you can

stoic breach
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Wait

dense bone
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thats what makes the gun fun

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everything else about it is poo

stoic breach
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I should probably take my 3x scope off then

light coral
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Lol but the commando carbine also doesn't 2hk to the body to extreme ranges and is firing pistol rounds though

midnight nimbus
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even then, it's too nichey

stoic breach
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Actually nah

solid hinge
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the 3x is the best for close range headshots

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you get those under 30m dinks

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stylish

stoic breach
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Counter sniping with the De Lisle has the reward of humiliating the other person

solid hinge
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flexed

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Exactly

midnight nimbus
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i haven't bothered unlocking the Commando Carbine

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don't care

dense bone
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@light coral close range slrs are 3btk after 50m... hence why i want them to get the headshot bonus

green elm
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commando has lackluster bodyshots so it works out

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lol

stoic breach
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It also has terrible muzzle velocity for the damage that it deals

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It used 1911 ammo man

midnight nimbus
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280 m/s

solid hinge
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Lackluster everything after 30m

midnight nimbus
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330 m/s with upgrade iirc

light coral
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Lol and it won't stop complaints when you're ohsk'ing people with a gun that has a bigger mag, faster rof, and faster general ttk than rifles

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People would freak out

midnight nimbus
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prolly not

stoic breach
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I dont think anyone is complaining about a ohk weapon for medic

midnight nimbus
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BF3 DMRs could OHSK

dense bone
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if the condition to wreck people is landing headshots at close range with a slow rof gun, people are just gonna call them hackers

slate carbon
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you guys have said ohsk 500 times so far

dense bone
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with slrs if you dont land 2 shots consecutively, and decent player is gonna stomp you

stoic breach
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You know what doesnt have OHSK? Battlefront 2017 snipers

dense bone
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given them ohsk close range is not a problem

solid hinge
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@stoic breach yeah they do

stoic breach
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One does

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The last one

slate carbon
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i just ohsk'd a guy with a semi

solid hinge
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The only one anyone uses!

stoic breach
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I need to get 400 kills and its a fucking slog

solid hinge
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Apart from the hitscan one sometimes

midnight nimbus
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ZH-29 should have a bigmag option

solid hinge
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It is a damn slog

slate carbon
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theres no hitscan in bf wtf

brisk salmon
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So does anyone even play solo firestorm anymore?

solid hinge
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the garand will be the bigmag slr

slate carbon
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i do

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and am rn

stoic breach
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I hope garand goes to recon

brisk salmon
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I keep timing out on searches.

stoic breach
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8 isnt really a bigmag

dense bone
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i only play duo firestorm anymore

midnight nimbus
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you currently either have a detachable 150 RPM or a shit 1906

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nah I'm talking about like 10 round detachable for the ZH

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give it like 138 RPM

solid hinge
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the 1916 but in slr style?

stoic breach
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People normally just camp with the ZH

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I wanna see more close range ZH

solid hinge
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that would be nice wtf I want that

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All the other slrs are better at close range

dense bone
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because ZH is the ranged slr

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it 2 shots at any range

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but also has slower rof

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model 8 and rsc 2 shot under 50m and have faster rof

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so its playing to their strengths

midnight nimbus
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1906 = close range ZH

stoic breach
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I wish Model 8 had a slightly faster ROF

dense bone
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i mean, me too, id wreck even more

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but its fine where its at

slate carbon
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i wish the commando has faster rof

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pew pew

dense bone
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^

midnight nimbus
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225 RPM Model 8 with the 2x scope is my dream recon gun

solid hinge
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tfw 200rpm 2btk is the highest recon gets

midnight nimbus
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that's still one of the fastest killing guns in the game

dense bone
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if you can land 2 fast though, youre not losing a lot of fights

slate carbon
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tbh all the technical talk about a bf game is making me cringe

midnight nimbus
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faster than MAS

slate carbon
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like just play the game ffs

dense bone
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im at work

solid hinge
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Its revolver speed

midnight nimbus
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ye

slate carbon
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fuck it i block

midnight nimbus
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200 RPM just isn't rewarding enough for how punishing the Model 8 is to use

stoic breach
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Its not a skill cannon either

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Like the de lisle yuh yeet

dense bone
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if you land 1 shot, miss 1, land another, youre dead

stoic breach
dense bone
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at least if the enemy teammate is competent and also not using an slr

midnight nimbus
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yeah, it's just not rewarding enough for its difficulty of use

dense bone
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well, i guess you wouldnt "land another" if youre already dead

solid hinge
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if you miss more than one shot in a mag you only get one kill as well

midnight nimbus
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that's my only qualm

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but i like the Model 8

dense bone
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mag size suuucks too

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jesus, 2-3 kills a mag?!

stoic breach
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I expected the Model 8 to have a bigger mag upgrade but it didnt

midnight nimbus
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and the 3x is basically unusable with the Model 8

dense bone
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its in a really bad spot

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and theres a reason you hardly see the model 8 rsc used

midnight nimbus
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SLRs shouldn't have glint

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that's the big one

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bc they can't one tap you

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glint is the warning for possible insta death

solid hinge
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kht i know im a masochist but why on earth are you using a 3x on the model 8

midnight nimbus
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I don't

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I use aperture

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bc 3x is unusable

stoic breach
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Well recon isnt particularly threatening so the glint is basically just a target

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In BFV

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You know what

solid hinge
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6x on the model 8

light coral
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Lol it's ironic even rifles have glint in this game, considering even rifles in refractor engine BF games had better stats with no glint

stoic breach
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I loved the sweet spot on the M1917 Enfield in BF1

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With iron sights

midnight nimbus
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3x scope with no glint RSC would be legitimately decent

stoic breach
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That was absolutely an earned sweet spot kill

midnight nimbus
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especially with 70m 2BTK

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like RSC had 70m 2BTK in BF1

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why not BFV

solid hinge
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they made it WORSE?

stoic breach
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Yeah doesnt make much sense

light coral
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Well once it got buffed

solid hinge
light coral
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It was 50m to begin with

stoic breach
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Considering the Model 8 is meant to be the close range SLR

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Why dont SLRs have gunrunner

solid hinge
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tfw cant sprint and fire

stoic breach
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Smh dice buff smgs already

solid hinge
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let me shoot the krag while im bayonet charging

stoic breach
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Hahaha

solid hinge
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just to add to the fear level

stoic breach
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I wanna gunrun with the Suomi

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That would be amazing

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Just blitz the enemy

green elm
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krag shotgun would be glorious

stoic breach
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Kraber jorgensen would be glorious

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Imagine recon had a sniper that had 4 rounds in a mag and could oneshot at any range and into any part of the body

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Man

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Titanfall 2 is great

solid hinge
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kraber jorgensen OMEGALUL

midnight nimbus
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Titanfall hipfire 😩😭

solid hinge
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kraber has slow ass bullets

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itd be perfect

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car for battlefield when

green elm
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vetterli rifle was kind of like that tbh

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4 rounds slow ass bullets

midnight nimbus
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DeLisle Carbine would actually be decent if it had the slug shotgun damage model

solid hinge
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Sidewinder as a reinforcement call in when

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me at the zoo

green elm
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except for the one shot part that is

midnight nimbus
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no it needs the one shot part

stoic breach
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Yes Titanfall 2's hipfire that became more accurate the faster you were moving

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That is just so good

green elm
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i was talking about the vetterli rifle

midnight nimbus
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that too

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needs one shot to be useful

green elm
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commando would’ve been interesting if it was a medic shotgun

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ye

solid hinge
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advanced technology that transfers your velocity into your bullets

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the faster you go the faster your gun goes

midnight nimbus
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in a game with melty autos and semis designed for melting with body shots, slow ass guns that can't one shot to the body will always suck

stoic breach
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Nah its just basic science man cause your movement speed plus the velocity of the bullets is faster Noice

solid hinge
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tfw no gunrunner mg42

stoic breach
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Yeah

solid hinge
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tfw no bayonet mg42

stoic breach
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They could just give the G2 to medic

dense bone
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if i were to create a game, it would be that movement influenced dmg done, to counter camping..

storm gulch
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Beware of the weebs in general chat

solid hinge
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tfw no bayonet mg42 animation that involves magdumping into them after inserting the blade

stoic breach
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Dang

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I bayonet charged into a head bash against the ground earlier today

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On a prone dude

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So good

green elm
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head bash infuriates me with how long it takes

solid hinge
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Almost every single bayonet into headbash has got me killed

midnight nimbus
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good movement 👌👌👌

stoic breach
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I guess I just have spacial awareness 😩😩

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Now I just wanna play Titanfall 2 again

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I played Frontier Defence earlier and had a chill time

solid hinge
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Anyone wanna play bf1?

midnight nimbus
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for BF, BFV + BF4 movement combined would be the dream

solid hinge
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tfw a good co-op mode

dense bone
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dense bone
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@solid hinge

midnight nimbus
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zouzouing MMG users with the 1907 👌

solid hinge
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I saw and advertised already

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sorry, didn't see the channels

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new to the server

stoic breach
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1907 bayonet mains rise up

midnight nimbus
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where's my crouch jump

green elm
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where it belongs

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not in the game

stoic breach
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Wheres my slide hop

dense bone
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wheres my bhop

stoic breach
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CQB slidehopping Kraber mains rise up

dense bone
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grappling hooks

solid hinge
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wheres my phase shift

dense bone
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^

stoic breach
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Phase shift is for nerds

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Grapple and phase rewind only

dense bone
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we are on discord...

solid hinge
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how to get battlefield 5 free

stoic breach
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For the worst boost in the game

solid hinge
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phase shift was the only good way of escaping from titans!

dense bone
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@solid hinge steal it

solid hinge
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Ayy lmao

stoic breach
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I just dont run into titans

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And use my archer from afar

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Nobody knows that running around a corner will counter an archer

solid hinge
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not using chad sidewinder

stoic breach
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I use Sidewinder in frontier defence

solid hinge
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tfw automatic 2 hit kill weapon that shoots mini rockets

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god i miss titanfall please let me swap apex and bfv for it

stoic breach
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But I use the power of Kraber with Gun Ready and Ricochet and gain geometry as my ally

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Yeah

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Everybody is the clown of the day for thinking that Apex invented sliding down a hill

solid hinge
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I like the kraber on modes that aren't attrition or bounty hunt, but killing grunts is not very good for a big fuck off bolt action

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tfw no attrition in bfv

stoic breach
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I dont focus on grunts I just frag pilots with it

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Yeah what the heck

solid hinge
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Wrong type of attrition

stoic breach
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BFV could've had the combined arms AI soldiers in the game

solid hinge
stoic breach
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Tfw no burn cards in BFV

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🔥

light coral
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Lol sometimes you do have those ai in the game

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They're just other players

solid hinge
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I miss burn cards so bad

stoic breach
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Not in multiplayer

solid hinge
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Gimmicky lil things like that are my jam

stoic breach
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Damn

sweet fulcrum
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Whomst is hyped for elites

stoic breach
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Burn cards that aren't completely OP like the one that gives you first-to-fall instantly

light coral
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Not gonna buy into elites but I can't wait to see/hear them on the field

solid hinge
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Elites will be boins only so the only thing im hyped about is bayonetting some irish dude

stoic breach
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Bayonetting as an irish dude

sweet fulcrum
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I'll for sure buy the axis one

solid hinge
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@stoic breach some were mad OP but I liked the massive variety of them

fathom pebble
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I mean they said elites were going to be boins since their announcement

stoic breach
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Yee

solid hinge
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I dont mean I thought they weren't gonna be

sweet fulcrum
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I hope the Allied elite has some lines as drunk

solid hinge
#

Just 0 reason for me to get hype

sweet fulcrum
#

You know, irish

stoic breach
#

They could've made the Smart Pistol boost a little more balanced

fathom pebble
#

unique voice lines
unique mvp squad animation

solid hinge
#

If your cosmetics dont look ugly as fuck then what's the point

stoic breach
#

They could've done literally anything to make it balanced

fathom pebble
#

think there's a melee animation aswell

#

😩

sweet fulcrum
#

the axis one has black leather gloves

solid hinge
#

too bad they didnt give the fire axe that treatment

#

Smart pistol only had two mags

#

Just got my first ever collateral with 3 enemies Happy

fathom pebble
#

still unsure which to get

stoic breach
#

It was an instant frag button

solid hinge
#

Balanced through limited amount of kills

sweet fulcrum
#

Both

stoic breach
#

2 mags of pure pain

fathom pebble
#

I mean I have 3500 boins GWcorbinTopKek

solid hinge
#

5echnically you could kill them faster!

#

Joker.....

stoic breach
#

They could've made it infinite ammo but hard to use

sweet fulcrum
#

I'll buy 4000 tomorrow

fathom pebble
#

could buy both but dont really wanna, maybe will buy the german one GWbratEvilkermit

sweet fulcrum
#

So I hope I'm fine

solid hinge
#

Infinite ammo smart pistol was in the first game

#

Borderline broken for modes that focused on hunting AI

stoic breach
#

Seriously, an infinite ammo primary Smart Pistol that takes 8 shots to kill and has alot of damage falloff

#

If you have a low damage smart pistol then its alright

solid hinge
#

Makes it too easy to breeze past the npcs

stoic breach
#

And make it have higher damage and no lock-on in ADS

icy sluice
#

When I get home I'm going to do some mockups on on back melee animations

stoic breach
#

Yee

#

I wish first person animations for embark/disembark were in Titanfall 2

icy sluice
#

They won't look good, mock ups are made so you get the general understanding of what it's meant to be doing

stoic breach
#

Yeah

solid hinge
#

Make some mock ups for back prone melees that aren't 5 hours long

#

from a gameplay perspective they suck ass

#

they might look cool but I dont have 5 hours to melee this mmg camper I need him to die immediately

fathom pebble
#

@solid hinge you called me? 👀

pliant dew
#

BRASIL?

solid hinge
#

Please dont look at me too hard Mr 4000 boins

#

I can feel the glow radiating off your swimming pool full of gold

icy sluice
#

@solid hinge I was going to make them last 24 hours

solid hinge
#

How do I get 10k sometimes and 20k the next

trim token
#

Flare gun noob ^

wind pendant
#

jesus christ its been a long time since firestorm came out

#

and people are still too afraid of first circle to revive people

#

in it

#

wiped a squad by killing last one with pistol when downed

#

and no rez is feelsbadman

solid hinge
#

People saying that bf5 is still unfinished

#

😔 🔫

pale rain
#

^

icy sluice
#

The purpose of these mockups is to have melee weapons involved

rocky verge
#

Real raptor's use cricket bat

midnight nimbus
#

if you shoot someone point blank in the back of the head with a pistol, it should be an OHK

#

cmv

#

i want my pistol executions

sacred junco
#

how do you define back

#

and point blank

midnight nimbus
#

like they're laying on their stomach, prone

#

get up right behind them

icy sluice
#

I'm only going to making a few angles

#

Not every single melee weapon too

#

Mostly because coming up with them is actually a little difficult

#

Maybe, listening to doom's soundtrack would help

rocky verge
solid hinge
#

@icy sluice demon..

icy sluice
#

For behind on back, I'm debating on having either throat slit or heart stab while holding a hand over the mouth

solid hinge
#

SirTalkLot

rocky verge
#

@solid hinge no u @icy sluice is a God no demon

midnight nimbus
#

i want a pistol in the mouth execution

icy sluice
#

For hatchet/ coupe coupe/shovel, maybe just a slam into the cranium

#

But on back facing, I'm going to animate a struggle of thrusting the knife into the heart of the victim

turbid prairie
#

what

icy sluice
#

Knife weapon

turbid prairie
#

we talking bout

winter bear
#

where are the different countries...

turbid prairie
#

idk

#

but what do you talking about though?, just popped in

icy sluice
#

It's still the beginning of the war, not even called WWII yet

rocky verge
#

Well 2 more hours then it's Fg42 time

icy sluice
#

Making mock up animations of on back melee animations

turbid prairie
#

Nice

#

Why not do a back handle of a hatchet then hatchet to the mouth for Prone animations

icy sluice
#

I'll start next week because I've got no phone

turbid prairie
#

I have so many ideas for games but I ain't a dev

#

Im a map maker

rocky verge
#

Fg42 or bren

#

Cant decide blep

icy sluice
#

Both

rocky verge
#

Allight in 2 hours I'll use them

solid hinge
#

fg42 with bren mag

rocky verge
turbid prairie
#

FG-42 with a MP-28 Mag

icy sluice
#

Extended

versed notch
#

FG-42 but it uses a 9mm parabellum instead

rocky verge
#

Fg42 with commando carbine mag

green elm
#

fg42 strip fed with k98 bullets

icy sluice
#

FG42 with kolibri bullets

green elm
#

kolibri bullets are bb pellets

rocky verge
#

Ahhh my internet

#

Gonna go before it duplicates agine

turbid prairie
#

rip

#

one raptor down

icy sluice
#

No

turbid prairie
#

yes

haughty pivot
#

this game has awful netcode

#

never died behind cover so many times

pale rain
#

says squid ward

#

Never died behind cover as wellLUL

haughty pivot
#

?

pale rain
haughty pivot
#

maybe form a coherent sentence and I won't have an issue understanding you

pale rain
#

Are you trying to say you get killed behind cover?

#

@haughty pivot

north surge
#

What's everyones thoughts on the command carbine?

pale rain
#

I’m not good with it

#

But it’s really cool

north surge
#

Just unlocked it gonna try it out

solid hinge
#

It's not good but its fun

surreal sphinx
#

'ello

dense bone
#

its a shit gun, but its fun to mess around with

pale rain
#

Yes

dense bone
#

unless youre stodeh levels of headshots, you should use just about anything else if you are trying to be efficient

#

90% of the time im wishing im using a different gun, the other 10% is when im landing stupid 1 shot headshots up close

pale rain
#

Yeah

icy sluice
#

But, I am

fathom pebble
#

@solid hinge want me to flex my unique customizations? Kappa

#

Cool Hand Duke Uniform

#

😩

swift condor
#

I love these people running around with shotguns for CQB and I'm here with a revolver WeSmart

solid hinge
#

Feels good that Field of Verdun, by sabaton, is going to be released on may 3rd. during the Fire and Ice campaign in BF1

icy sluice
#

@fathom pebble I'll have that by Saturday

trim token
#

@fathom pebble got it day 1 ;p

#

And the headgear is the definition of shit

fathom pebble
#

me 2 thx

gray glade
#

no hook on your left arm?

#

i am disappoint

trim token
#

Same..

fathom pebble
#

I hate the fact you can't use the demolisher on female chars

trim token
#

Can you not?

#

Not as if I care

strong parrot
#

thats because female chars were a mistake haHAA

haughty pivot
#

what's a female

main grove
#

None of the colours on British uniforms match on the torso and legs it’s well annoying

#

The colours are fine on the German side aside from the fact that the 2nd option is an extremely similar grey on the torso but white legs

haughty pivot
#

is the mp40 considered weak?

#

dude this shit takes so long to kill people

main grove
#

No

#

All SMGs do the same damage

shrewd grove
#

It's my favourite SMG besides the MP28

#

And Thompson

main grove
#

Except the MP34 has slightly less damage drop off

#

Build MP40 for no recoil and use it at mid range

haughty pivot
#

dude

#

i can't fuck with these smgs bro

#

literally im shooting someone for a second and when im on the last shot to kill someone i get sprayed immediately

#

these are so useless

shrewd grove
#

You're just not used to them

solid hinge
#

What tow level are yous on

shrewd grove
#

26

#

I'm grinding levels

solid hinge
#

33

#

Just got scrapper headgear

shrewd grove
#

I'm hoping to get the scrapper stuff today at least

solid hinge
#

Today??? You're on level 26

#

Scrapper is level 32 and 33

mossy badge
#

Fuck, i think i'm on like level 7

#

😅

solid hinge
#

😬

mossy badge
#

Yeah.....

#

Thanks to Firestorm related bullshit challenges which i couldn't do, completely ruined ToW for me

shrewd grove
#

Doesn't matter

#

Grind with flares only makes it ez to level up

#

I got 4 levels yesterday

#

Not even in the whole day either

solid hinge
#

Woah

#

Just flaring nothing else?

shrewd grove
#

Yep

solid hinge
#

I've been doing that

#

Got 2 levels yesterday

shrewd grove
#

11000 points every match so far

solid hinge
#

Got 20k once

shrewd grove
#

Ye

charred heron
#

God i wish i could play

haughty pivot
#

i keep getting outgunned

charred heron
#

Tomorrow my dudes

haughty pivot
#

no way the smgs do the same amount of damage

charred heron
#

@shrewd grove

flint helm
#

@haughty pivot welcome to battlefield

charred heron
#

@haughty pivot Have you tried to hit the enemy?

flint helm
#

Lmao

solid hinge
shrewd grove
#

SMGs all do 25 damage per bullet @haughty pivot

flint helm
#

I get into fights all the time where I shoot first and lose

sonic rampart
haughty pivot
#

@charred heron sick burn

flint helm
#

I'm waiting for the moment when I run across an enemy in the middle of nowhere outside the objectives and we have an armistice and don't kill eachother

#

Hasn't happened in the5+ years I've played battlefield

haughty pivot
#

nevermind the mp40 is the best gun in history

solid hinge
#

Happens to me quite a lot since I don't shoot unless necessary

haughty pivot
#

i just cleared b with it on grind im happy again

midnight nimbus
#

MP40 🤢

haughty pivot
#

you can continue about your day

charred heron
#

MP40 is the sniper of the SMGs, next to the EMP

midnight nimbus
#

EMP needs the most buffs of any SMG

#

bad velocity

charred heron
#

Tommy thiccest SMG tho

midnight nimbus
#

not accurate enough for what it is

#

it's supposed to be max versatility SMG

flint helm
#

How about medics get a gun THATS NOT AN SMG

solid hinge
#

Mmg

flint helm
#

I used to be a fond semi auto rifle kinda guy

#

But also medic class

#

Now I have to use smgs all the time

haughty pivot
#

it'd be so satisfying to be able to drop a v1 in grind

charred heron
#

I kind of got used to Tommy for everything except Narvik and Fjell

flint helm
#

I'm still waiting for dice to add a small update which puts medic and ammo crates on the mini map because team mates are too dumb to look around for them

#

Makes carrying crates around almost pointless

shrewd grove
#

Once I'm done grinding ToW levels I'll play with my MP28 a bit more

icy sluice
#

Touch

solid hinge
#

I rank up twice a day @shrewd grove how do you rank up like 6 times

shrewd grove
#

Idk

#

My matches normally end pretty fast

haughty pivot
#

what spec do yall run on mp40? I have LRRL

solid hinge
#

Do you get any kills or just flares

shrewd grove
#

I get a few kills

#

Cuz I stay close to the fight for max points

solid hinge
#

Resupply stations?

shrewd grove
#

Ye

#

Like I don't think a single minute passes without me firing a flare

charred heron
#

@haughty pivot Just increase the long range abilities of it, since it is already decent at hiptfiring, so no real need to reinforce those stats further

vocal cypress
#

im getting bored of every server i join being on the teams thatss getting smashed round after round after round

brisk salmon
#

I'm tired of being put into EU servers just to play solo firestorm.

solid hinge
#

Sounds like a good to me boys

#

@shrewd grove sniper decoys?

shrewd grove
#

No

strong parrot
#

lmao first grind round on twisted steel joined a losing team for 5 mins...they lost 0-253

#

what a fucking cluster fuck of useless teammates

jade wind
#

I def feel like Grind tends to be pretty stompy

strong parrot
#

well these morons probably never even got the mid point

#

i join and theyre not even past the A point and the enemies all over A at the other end lol

#

and theyre just fucking camping not pushing...

tight tusk
#

yeah thats most grind games tbh

strong parrot
#

just honestly pathetic that people are this bad in a simple game mode

tight tusk
#

ikr

strong parrot
#

push
kill
cap

#

why are these so hard to grasp?

tight tusk
#

literally just walk forward and shoot

#

thats what youve always wanted

strong parrot
#

oh theres smoke lets push up

tight tusk
#

how is it so hard to do

brisk salmon
#

Not a lot of people know on twisted steel grind you can go on the ground level.

strong parrot
#

oh wait no well just all camp behind a truck and let 1 dude run through and shoot us

pale rain
#

Oof

tight tusk
#

if they dont know its there then what are the great fucking huge stairs at every point for lmao

brisk salmon
#

No.

#

Not the UNDERSIDE CAT WALK

#

The GROUND

#

The dirt.

#

The river.

tight tusk
#

yes and what are the great fucking huge ladders at every point for

brisk salmon
#

Indeed, what are they for.

tight tusk
#

underneath every point*

brisk salmon
#

Since I rarely see anyone use them.

#

Most people stick to the cluster truck that is the bridge top.

#

Some go underneath.

#

Very very few go all the way down.

tight tusk
#

dirt = op

brisk salmon
#

Does the sten gun have select fire?

#

Because I'm 99% sure I was holding the trigger and it only fired one shot. Leading to the guy with the LMG to mow me down in firestorm. 😐

zenith cliff
#

Damn this server is dead

solid hinge
#

pretty sure it doesn't

brisk salmon
#

That's what I thought.

solid hinge
#

it's not dead, we had a conversation literally like an hour ago

brisk salmon
#

I had a lvl 2 sten. Aimed at the guy in front of me. 5 feet away.

solid hinge
#

I've had a couple situations where its only shot once but I'm convinced I held the trigger down

zenith cliff
#

I mean it seems like just two of you guys

solid hinge
#

Might be rare issue

subtle bramble
#

.

brisk salmon
#

I started spamming the trigger when I was 3/4th dead.

solid hinge
#

I won 356-0 or something like that LUL

#

that's the classic select fire feeling

#

Not kills

#

I didn't get 356 kills

shrewd grove
#

A lot of people are probably at work rn

#

Which might be why it seems dead

solid hinge
#

Hooooly

#

one bullet, a second without any fire, then intermittent individual shots

rocky verge
#

Haha raptor not down

solid hinge
#

17k

#

In 10 minutes

rocky verge
#

Internet back to normal

solid hinge
#

on grind?

#

Yup

#

thus is the power of flares

#

Yup

#

6 headshot kills, 3 ap mine kills 1 flare fire kill

#

I think my record for spm so far is 18k

#

how the heck are you guys getting flare kills

#

I've only ever even hit a dude with a flare once

#

I get them 24/7

rocky verge
#

Kill a enemy with smoke barrage or smoke grenade Kappa

solid hinge
#

Did they already fix the plane manueverability problem?

#

¿

rocky verge
#

What do you do when you see a AA gun and a AA tank camping next to one another?

#

drop a 4,000KG bomb on them with a few 6 pounder shots Shhh

solid hinge
#

Enemy team or allied team?

rocky verge
#

Enemy

solid hinge
#

Bomb them, AA guns are so weak

rocky verge
#

Yeah

#

I bomb or shoot them with the planes that have cannons

#

Saves the bomb for a bigger threat

brisk salmon
#

UHG

#

I can't kill anyone in firestorm.

#

Because I have to guess and aim where they're going to magically be when the ping catches up.

solid hinge
#

Holy shit this one guy would not stop flanking

#

Every 5 fucking minutes

brisk salmon
#

I just fucking want NA servers...

tight tusk
#

You have them

#

The real issue is with oce servers

#

They literally do not exist

south hornet
#

so guys

#

would a 1050ti gaming oc that has been also manually oc'd to maximum with 2 sockets of 8 gigs ram in 2400 mhz and an i5 7400 be enough to run BFV on ultra?

tight tusk
#

But I guess so

#

Idk

midnight nimbus
#

any modern hardware can run BFV on Ultra

#

just depends on the res and fps you want

mighty thorn
#

is this game scheduled to get many more maps?

south hornet
#

1080p 55 fps

mighty thorn
#

V i mean

south hornet
#

@mighty thorn to my knowledge, yes

solid hinge
#

Wtf I have not been revived once in this whole round

sonic rampart
#

Lol

solid hinge
#

I'm kicking my entire squad

dense bone
#

@south hornet at 1080p ultra settings i doubt youll get a stable 60 fps

mighty thorn
#

i love the gameplay in V but the maps in conquest are boring after like 4 days? there were so many maps in BF4 and BF1 by the end lnrNoid

dense bone
#

but this isnt bfvs end

pale rain
#

^

mighty thorn
#

i know, that's why i'm asking what's scheduled for it

hasty pulsar
#

Nah, the end will be like 3 more maps then they'll rush out whatever is next

mighty thorn
#

because roadmap makes it sounds like maybe just a couple more

dense bone
#

afaik theres 2 maps coming out soonish

acoustic bay
#

Dw Germany i forgive you

south hornet
#

@dense bone for the second time, overclocked

#

that helped me with like 10 fps on AC Unity

dense bone
#

well look at the fps in the video i posted, and add 10 fps

south hornet
#

56 fps

#

Pretty good

dense bone
#

in best case scenario imo

south hornet
#

i remember the beta

dense bone
#

bfv doesnt like OC iirc and causes more crashes

south hornet
#

it was pretty good

#

so does BF1

dense bone
#

beta definitely performed better than base game

south hornet
#

i have a special preset for BF

dense bone
#

if you turn shot off/low, even just certain stuff, youd get 60 comfortably

#

(low/off has better visibility anyway)

south hornet
#

yes, i will most likely turn post processing to medium

#

bye bye ssr

#

i'll probably disable OR lower AA

midnight nimbus
#

TAA disable config is a must in BFV for me

#

the game is literally unplayable without it

south hornet
#

TAA disable config?

#

you can't do that shit in game?

midnight nimbus
#

no, forced TAA 😂

south hornet
#

Dice, what the fuck

viral badger
solid hinge
#

Are you fucking joking

#

Haha too good

midnight nimbus
#

because the white UI text on white background is literally invisible without TAA on

solid hinge
#

Bayonets are so shit

midnight nimbus
#

I just have to live with occasionally invisible HUD elements

viral badger
midnight nimbus
#

huge brains in UI design there, guys

night glade
#

Should I get BFV? The only BF game I have played is BF1. I enjoy BF1 for the most part (I hate the shooting). I do not care about Firestorm.

midnight nimbus
#

"how do we fix white text on white backgrounds"
"uhhhh outline or shadowing?"
"nah fuck it, let's force some AA solution that's not only more difficult, but decreases performance and visibility for players"

solid hinge
#

Why don't you get xp if you don't finish a round that's bs

jade wind
#

@night glade I thought BFV was better than BF1, but if you liked BF1 you'll likely like BFV

south hornet
#

WHAT HERESY IS THAT?

gloomy dock
#

y

#

bf 1 is better than bf 5

mighty thorn
#

uh if you hate the shooting you probably shouldn't play more battlefield games then @night glade

solid hinge
#

I was actually just going to ask if I should get BFV I didnt like BF1 at all but loved BF4 but dont have it on PC

midnight nimbus
#

if you like BF1 arty truck and illya muromets, you'll love BFV

gloomy dock
#

no

solid hinge
#

Are BF4 servers still active

gloomy dock
#

if you liked bf4 but not bf1 you wont like bf 5

mighty thorn
#

i always thought BF1 was shit and BF5 probably was bad too after playing hundreds of hours in BF4 but i finally gave the news one a chance and it's the same shit. no idea what people complain about

rocky verge
#

@south hornet did you die on blood of the dead you cant be alive

night glade
#

@mighty thorn I love shooters, I hate the shooting in BF1

mighty thorn
#

then you won't like BF5

solid hinge
#

Does anyone know if BF4 servers are still active

south hornet
#

wait no

#

those are shits of 3arc

sonic rampart
#

Bf5s gunplay is good

gloomy dock
#

Y does every one hate bf1 it was the first game I got 2 days played in

sonic rampart
midnight nimbus
#

BFV's gunplay is fun

mighty thorn
#

@solid hinge on xbox there are always a dozen or more full servers

midnight nimbus
#

wouldn't call it good

south hornet
#

i have 250 hours in fucking BF1

gloomy dock
#

epic

south hornet
#

not much tbh

sonic rampart
#

I would

tight tusk
#

Lmao I have over 350

#

feelsbad

gloomy dock
#

gamer

icy sluice
solid hinge
#

Hmmm

gloomy dock
#

nice

tight tusk
#

I’m very worried

mighty thorn
#

BF4 more alive than battlefront 1 anyway LUL

gloomy dock
#

ikr

#

I love bf 4

tight tusk
#

Forgot that existed ngl

mighty thorn
#

yea bf4 is still so fun too

midnight nimbus
#

i have 14 days in BF1

solid hinge
#

What's the difference between battlefront 1 and 2

midnight nimbus
#

oof

shrewd grove
#

I have 400 hours in BF1, 500 in BFV

gloomy dock
#

Battle front 2 has more content

south hornet
#

500 in BFV holy shit go outside

mighty thorn
#

really wish they'd put it out again in 4k for the xb1x/ps4pro

tight tusk
#

Outside is for the weak

south hornet
#

True but

#

the game's been out for what

icy sluice
#

I am outside

south hornet
#

7 months?

gloomy dock
#

dang

mighty thorn
#

i put like 200 into rdr2 in the first month and a half. haven't binged a game that hard since BF4

gloomy dock
#

dang

mighty thorn
#

bfv is asking for it tho.... really glad i checked it out finally

gloomy dock
#

anyone find it funny that moviestarplanet has more youtube live veiwers than bf5

icy sluice
#

It's my favorite battlefield

#

Battlefield has never been a steamer game

gloomy dock
#

ik

rocky verge
#

Bfv time

gloomy dock
#

but still

#

moviestarplanet!

icy sluice
#

But still nothing lol

mighty thorn
#

i love the gameplay. feels more intense like BF4 was. not sure about bleed out revive mechanic tho stares at squadmates going for impossible revives

solid hinge
#

Imagine like an avengers game. We got battlefront, but make it marvel instead of star wars

tight tusk
#

Only interesting stuff for bf streaming is firestorm

#

And there are literally no servers for that so people can’t play it lmao

solid hinge
#

No one streams firestorm

gloomy dock
#

I dont like the bleed out function

rocky verge
#

Fellow raptor you gonna be on bf5 or nah

gloomy dock
#

it takes too long

mighty thorn
#

it's silly. i'd just die and respawn on squad so wtf

jade wind
#

There are literally DOZENDS of people streaming Firestorm

gloomy dock
#

ikr

tight tusk
#

Dozend?

solid hinge
#

Dozens is like 24

tight tusk
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Depends on how many dozens

jade wind
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Playing Firestorm rn, no time to spell things right

gloomy dock
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XD

icy sluice
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@rocky verge I'm at least 50 miles away from my Xbox

tight tusk
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**big f **

mighty thorn
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i just really hope some new maps show up because BF1 maps makes BF5 maps look bad. BF1 feels more like world war 2 half the time and it's not even world war 2 LUL

gloomy dock
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Im like 12 feet away from mine

mighty thorn
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hope that waking the giant shit takes us back to the pacific

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iwo jima plz

tight tusk
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It will

rocky verge
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@icy sluice so that's a uhhhh nah

tight tusk
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Loads of American and japanese stuff in the files rn

gloomy dock
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the tankgewer in the land ship is the best vehicle in the ganme

mighty thorn
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nice, can't wait

tight tusk
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Also seems to be some naval combat coming

gloomy dock
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I want to fly a p51

tight tusk
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So thats good

mighty thorn
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i didn't even realize the allies in it rn are britain for like 3 hours. they all wear american clothes thonking

gloomy dock
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I hope the do a d-day map before june 4

tight tusk
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From what I heard the p51 isn’t in the game for the American launch

icy sluice
mighty thorn
tight tusk
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And since its chronological-ish d-day will probably be next year

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Or late this year

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Idk

gloomy dock
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NOOO

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😦

mighty thorn
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they're gonna do dday??

tight tusk
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Rip

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Probably

mighty thorn
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fuckin hope so

tight tusk
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It’d be hard not to

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Since so many people are asking for it

gloomy dock
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This year on the 4th of june is the 75th aniversery of d-day

rocky verge
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@icy sluice dang

gloomy dock
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ikr

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on that day im going to do something special for it

icy sluice
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BARBEQUE

gloomy dock
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XD

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no im probobally going to make a tribute video on my youtube

icy sluice
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American tradition

mighty thorn
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were xp bonuses removed in V ?

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or point bonuses whatever

gloomy dock
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idk

mighty thorn
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the cards in BF4 for point boosts, the squad boost in BF1, that stuff...

jade wind
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Is fone

icy sluice
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@mighty thorn they were spoken of

jade wind
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gone

mighty thorn
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sucks showing up this late in the game and having jack shit and get steamrolled as i try to unlock good guns xD

gloomy dock
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Im not going to get the commando carbine 😦

shut cipher
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You can buy it

icy sluice
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^^^^^^

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1,250 cc

shut cipher
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Don't you just love when you played a round of conquest on devastation then you leave to add an assignment and you get devastation again

solid hinge
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Only levelled up once today 🙁

gloomy dock
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oh well I have like no cc

shut cipher
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CC is easy to get, you probably have tons of assignments piled up

mighty thorn
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@shut cipher almost as awesome as when you find a server playing your favorite map, join it, then it ends soon as you load and it switches to devastation Kappa

shut cipher
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nothing like joining panzerstorm on 30 tickets

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oh now I get Narvik feelscringeman

mighty thorn
gloomy dock
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No I have two assignments

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The game let me but two VMOS

icy sluice
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I have like 110k cc

grand pike
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good lord

strong parrot
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260k GWjoegFeelsEvilMan

grand pike
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i have 300 lmao

icy sluice
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Yeah, I buy a lot of skins

grand pike
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i c a n t

icy sluice
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I would have like 300k cc or so if I haven't

sonic rampart
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300k cc?

grand pike
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holy crap that’s a lot

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i don’t even have 1k

sonic rampart
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How the hell do you guys even get so much cc

grand pike
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idfk

icy sluice
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Playing the game

grand pike
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they play a lot i guess

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oh

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there you go

sonic rampart
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If i didnt spend any CC i would have like 100k

strong parrot
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play since launch
get CC when they fixed it
profit

icy sluice
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I still buy a lot of shit

sonic rampart
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Only got 10k CC from the fix

grand pike
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f

shrewd grove
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I got 180k and quickly spent every bit

gloomy dock
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XD

solid hinge
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Best grind map is narvik