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@icy sluice then you never in a server with me
VGO needs to be an LMG
big mag lmgs are just mmgs now for some reason 
The only big gun is the Lewis the rest are all assault rifle level
We can get together maybe next week @rocky verge
Mmgs are a mistake
dice thought up this crazy new idea for lmgs and made them shit
Touch and feel maybe
Who the hell wants a 25 mag lmg
What
20 mag lmg..
LS/26 should've gotten the 75 round mag option

the fg42 gets a pass because it looks cool
Belt fed lmgs 
I mean BFV LMGs are still better than ARs
actually i have figured out why the fg is in support
itd be even cooler if it had 10 mag 900rpm
does anyone here have any nice sniper clips or throwing knive clips I could use?
I kid, I've been hanging around with too many foxes
youd run out of ammo literally in any other class its disgusting
you've asked that like 4 times dude I dont think they do
The BAR is gonna be gnarly
Well I cant wait to get the pic of my fox with a gas mask from the new allies outfit
So I can be a ww2 fox
Like there a raptor
Jk
bar will be like the ls 26
Chauchat 
or that
If they ever release it
LS/26 should've been lower RoF
What's it's current stats?
Wish dice let's us view the gun before I comes out
Like the specialization and stuff
its called data miners 
I forget what its hrec is with ported barrel but it's good
LS/26 and Madsen >>>> KE7 basically
i'd still probably take the FG42 over the LS/26 personally
its 600rpm 20 mag?
yeah
what's the fg42?
20 vs 25 rounds isn't a big deal
Ke7 I use it with high RPM specialization and its good
670?
@midnight nimbus I forgot about the madsen tbh š
Suomi vs Thompson difference is pretty marginal
Is the LS/26 going to have the 75 round drum mag as a spec?
no
BS.
faster RoF than irl for some reason
Best shit
God forbid they give an lmg a big mag
21 votes and 5 comments so far on Reddit
LS/26 should've been this
Only ONE
Add the anti tank rifle
3 of the lmgs will have under 30 rounds
That's horseshit
Wheres my concentrated firepower
So we can do harrassment dmg to tanks and snipe people
LS/26 should've been bigmag low RoF or smallmag medium RoF
in another battlefield 
bc we don't have those roles atm
thats where your big lmgs are
Wait why are we discussing the LS/26? It's not out yet? Is it in a beta?
Have you seen the thing?
It's pretty unwieldy.
Especially with the fucking humongous dish mag.
it's smaller than the Lewis Gun
isnt it lighter than the lewis lmao
which is an LMG
logic


Mmg were a mistake
people only pick the fuckin mg42 or that one other mmg anyway

make the VGO an LMG/MMG hybrid
no one likes the fuckin vgo
slower ADS time and worse hipfire/moving spread than the other LMGs
I never bothered to buy it
and it's fine
Oh man
please no
People LOVED the VGO when it first came out.
no reason to use non MG34/42 MMGs
1922 is really good tbh
because it was a new gun
Darne isn't that compelling compared to those two
That was because the only two mmgs on release were slow as fuck or fast as fuck
MG34 is slept on
I still like the vgo
The thing is, the Lewis gun was designed to be held and fired, and moved about quickly. I don't think the VGO was.
Mmg=mounted machine gun don't see what's wrong with that
Happened to me a couple times lol
i always said mega machine gun in my head
Plus why have someone with a Mg42 that was a LMG that would be crazy
Why the fuck is "Cancel Deploy" bound to the same button as "Deploy" now? Why can't I just hit circle to cancel like in BF1?
anyone else notice that your respawn timer can suddenly increase now?
that would make too much sense
@strong parrot it's been doing that since I bought it
which was a long time ago
idk if i remember it a long time ago perhaps morons have just caused me to forget about it because im annoyed with their shit plays
seems to proc when you get killed by melee or you try to spawn on a teammate who dies, but also randomly happens at other times
I dont understand why it happens at all
like im sitting at the screen 2 secs to spawn on a squadmate not under fire...then its up to 9 seconds 
i wish the menu music would stop lagging
and can they please centre the hint text on the loading screen
next time you're loading into a game
go onto the fourth tab where the hint is
you will never unsee it
we dont need to rank that fast
theres still like 8 weeks left
why isnt anyone talking about how switching weapons doesnt work anymore
i dont understand
switching to your secondary when you run out of ammo isnt viable anymore
this is huge
i talked about it weeks ago
lol so they keep the same lvl 40 progression as last ToW but now they give us more time 
there's like a one second delay
they still havent fixed it
recon can't fire a shot and then switch to pistol rapidly
it's the firestorm button thing
ik
its been so long since i talked here 
why isnt there an outrage over it
i dont get it
swapping from flare to revolver is fucking gimped
still not trusted @shrewd grove wheres the love 
people talk about TREES but not this?
you have to basically fully swap to your bolt then to revolver
yeah i know
don't play recon
it sucks ass
Maybe because you didn't talk for so long
pretty basic thing
problem solved
yeah well
u know what strider i was busy 
too busy not being trusted 
i still liked being able to switch to my pistol on a pinch with my other classes, you know?
if you're not a hill humper
I'll accept bad weapons for good gadgets
its bich mac
How many firestorm kills yall have?
in the chat 
and i liked mashing triangle
to bring the back out and in, over and over
THAT DOESNT WORK ANYMORE
FIX IT ALREADY GRRR
you know what
thats a fucking good point
bring the gun*
everything about playing recon is masochism
really? spamming flares for ez score seems good 
if i wanna shoot things from far away as infy, I just choose assault
You get banned for that though
I can't see things far away
or even support
with 3x scope
support gets you doritos
through suppression.. it feels immoral
mag that hav 250 rounds uses 50 of them Brain:REOLD THEM ROINDS (Reloads and let's 5 enemy's pass by)
Bren support = unlimited ammo full auto recon
Why do we reload after firing like 5 bullets
lewis gun > br*n
if you don't use an MMG, you can easily reposition though
fight me
You have lots of rounds
Lewis doesn't have enough mad accuracy
flare lets me see those camping mmgs without accidentally walking into them
30 rounds is plenty
or.. beacon lets me come back faster after accidentally walking into them
Oh really they to get me kht120
When I kill I switch spots
the slrs have you getting headshot kills when hs are USELESS
and bolts have you laying prone all th etime
i cannot adapt to that shit
no way
I found the hardest assigment guys get X amount of kills while..Aiming down sight
Dice that's to hard

i got stuck on the prone one for bolts for ages because proning with a bolt is a joke then I got stuck behind the smallest rock on aerodrome breakthrough as germans and got it in one life
@solid hinge I did it when you just crouch behind a wall counted it
Before they fixed it
good old crouch prone..
can i just say
Working on Lee enfield and krag Jorgensen
i don't think i have the other snipers past level 4
fuck gewehr mastery 6
maybe the m95
krag is all thats necessary
i have all at level 10
maybe the kar and enfield are lvl 8
none are mint
the krag in gold looks horrifically ugly
all my other level 10 guns are mint
NANI
all of the guns look ugly in gold
Krag is still good sniper
gold plated skin looks awful if the part is wooden
yeah krag is my go-to
with 3x scope
the "mint" style usually looks good
gold all over baby
apart from the muzzle
all the muzzles are so ugly
and they stick out of cover
the only thing I want sticking out of cover is my bayonet
flare and bayonet is just so good
providing they come at you one at a time
And throwing knives and revolver.
bayonet knives revolver and flares are the Best
i've had plenty of double kills and even some triples with the po8 but
is there really any point using anything other than the revolver
A bayonet knives revolver? @solid hinge
has evey body hit a colat with the lee?
Who even uses the FP-45
Otherwise the 1912 feels better for finishing people off
Seen no one running around with it
it took me a long time
gay of thrones time
Hey!

Guys, what is a vehicle breakout, its not those bunkers with tanks inside them, thats a vehilce lockup, if you have the trailblazer assignment it says activate a vehicle breakout, wth is vehicle breakout
..
Iām still confused why the mosquito doesnāt have a specialization for adding a rear view gunner? Flying around in one without a gunner really makes flying it feel more like a elephant in a grass field while being hunted by lions
You need to FULLY open a vehicle lockup
@pulsar maple vehicle blackout is a vehicle lockup
@forest eagle because dice dosnt want Allies to have good vehicles.
I mean the belenheim offers it but still
But when you activate it they mean like turn the thing and hearing the alarms right
Eh, I mean allies get more bombs
Or fully opening it
In the bombers
@pulsar maple i m not sure if you have to open it all the way or not.
Alright, thanks
i opened one of the doors and it completed that part of the assignment
Well both partially
don't know why they called it a vehicle breakout though
nope
only opened one and it completed
Because your breaking a vehicle out of a lockup
other times they worded it as vehicle lockup
Who cares, yanks suck in firestorm, only do vehicle lockupās for the safes
Tanks
Fuck
i don't bother with them
Americans will be pissed
ez to blow up
Omfg yanks

American DLC will be like: š what Germans
Lol
Canāt wait until they add mustangs
Cheaters on Xbox are making this game intolerable. Just got out of a match where players glitched into the walls on Devastation and can see and shoot you through the wall.
@forest eagle allies dont get more bombs, the blenheim is shit
Youāre good
Wha
Didnāt mean to ping you
They ought to patch that pussy shit
It's cool, I like being pinged anyway
Itās too bad a lot of British guns arenāt in battlefield 5. A lot of the guns are either German, Swedish, or American. The only exceptions are the Lee enfield, and the STEN
they ought to patch a lot of things
Makes me feel like I'm important.
It was patched before but it was reintroduced by accident since firestorm was handed over by criterion
@ancient ocean
just headshotted someone with the krag and got an assist
Hey
Thanks @trim token
The Blenheim is alright. Just wished they made a AT version
Might have been a penetration headshot
The blen is the worst plane currently
yeah probably
Hopefully no one got a screenshot of my yanks and tanks mixup š¬
@trim token wtf is your real name "plows the field UK"
Long story
Yet itās the only plane that can defend itself in the allied forces
If you can call that piddly gun defending
Me and my friend made one anotherās GTs and he made that mine, fuck knows why, but either way his account got suspended:)
Noice
Nooob
Nob
Who?
I think he's talking to you @trim token
wish u could transfer progress cross platform
BF1 kind of sucked
Nah
Launch was terriblely underwhelming
I didnāt hate BF1, it was just unbalanced at the time
That was when the game was released to the public
Then we got the almighty bfv š
Which was meant to be released after bc3
Not before
Hamada 
Hamada. Itās the kind of map you either like or hate like arras
Rupture was the best bf map, change my mind
the biggest piss off for me is how infantry focused the maps are
Locker
never mind how shit the vehicles are
Typical
Or metro
the game doesnt even give you the chance to use them much
Dice solves granade spam by making the attrition system.
Halvoy 
@ancient ocean
@trim token
Hi
Hi
Hey
Canāt find the emoji š¦
So close to getting the MG42
About time
> Dice solves granade spam by making the attrition system.
kek
Too late
Ya

yuge fake news
@midnight nimbus ikr
dice solves grenade spam by instead replacing it with assault gadget spam
@weak violet you still trying to get banned?
map design is kinda worse for nade spam
@ancient ocean Yesn't
but you're more capable of nade spam than you were in BF1
lmao scope glint is still broken
you can see it though objects
still
like in bf1 where it would shine through the ground
About 2-3 daya ago my pc broken and I went internet cafe to complete weekly asignments and thoght they have reduced sprint speed. I used to use FOV max, and I realized my FOV settings was lowest at internet cafe.
They should just remove glint altogether
š
bf1 glint was hilarious
but at least in that game snipers were actually very good 
yeah it's not that noticeable anyway anymore
i wouldn't mind if they made it so it only reflected when you were actually facing the sun
snipers are good in bfv
ez krag 3x scope headshots
i mean
they're fine
If you can play recon
they're okay
sweet spot did make snipers piss easy though
in bf1 they were just something else though
yeah
honestly i never see scope glint in bfv
even though i hardly ever benefited from the sweet spot
that and the much better ballistics
the sniper ballistics in this game are for some reason worse than everything else
Bf1 they really werenāt too terribly different besides base damage for rifles was higher I think
correct me if im wrong
but i genuinely feel like even smgs have less drop
Than rifles?
They do
than bolts
especially the enfield and ross
god their drop is horrid
Bolt action rifles have the most drop in the game rb
shh
pls
with the right specs yeah
With the low drag bullets itās less ya
but the enfield and ross are just
like wow
But lee Enfield
i'm gonna clip this cheeky shot i just hit then
it's like spitting marshmellows
Jesus Christ it sucks
@tight tusk kar98 is the same
k98 and krag are the only usable bolts imo
Ikr
@tight tusk most people in this discord will just tell you to use the SLRs instead tho.
yeah ik
Thatās true
ive been told many times
Same
@wild oxide if i want to share a clip (like literally 5 seconds or less) do i still need to post it to #streams-and-videos with the 24hr cooldown? it's not like it's for self-promotion or anything because everything i upload to youtube is unlisted anyway
Yet I never get killed by SLRs
@solid hinge yes
It feels dirty cheap to use slrs imo
They suck tho
ikr
Yeah there's always a 24 hour slowmode
Nah theyāre pretty good
Nah there not
very situational
2nd to semi autos but still decent
Pretty sure you can post a clip related to the convo in here
I can headshot literally everyone with the kar98.
What kind of clip are we talking about? So long as it isn't advertising anything it should be fine
in here
Ye as long as it's related to the current convo and follows the rules
Go for it
Who is visk? I've literally never seen you here.
I post clips here using streamable
I dunno
need to look through an hour of footage first though 
because hes a sick lad

the truth is plain to see now
randomly a mod
doesnt know who he is
obviously a sick lad
I am how to basic.
visk is visk
And that visk is me
and that me is visk
hello
hallo
Are you actually pizzaboy
Visksivisksivisk
uhhh
I am snutten 
snutten i am
That's a orange skull
very true
Welcome, I just cleared chat for you š
What is red skull
headshot
A headshot is a orange skull
probably
I got 2 kills with my ap mines and I got 2 sqaud wipes a headshot and a red skull
No it was in grind.
Battlefield really needs to have a better team balancing system
"better"
Make him suffer from his AP mines
as if it has one in the first place
if you use ap mines i will molotov your corpse so you can't be revived
i do that anyway but whatever
I'm just trying to find out what red skull means.
tfw I get into 3 firefights back to back in firestorm, and survive them only to get killed by someone prone with an mg42
We truly live in a society

ikr
What's gang weed doing these days?
rising up, duh
bit late, but when we were talking about the krag i just hit this cheeky shot then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q8q_MVZFJE
not self-promotion btw
unlisted
Hereās a question: what colour do you guys use for your reflex/nydar reticle?
default
@solid hinge I suggest using streamable
i like irons though
@dusky badge default but less glow
wait you can reduce the glow?
why use streamable over youtube?
ah i get what you mean
so no way to say self-promotion
Yeah
yeah i'll keep that in mind thanks
Krag is nice yeah
https://streamable.com/lzq5n
For reflex or nydar I just turn it a really bright red
This ain't modern times reeeeeeee
Looks nicer than piss yellow
watch that clip when i finish this match]
Muh historical accuracy
I'm fine with the nydar being in the game
Gameplay>accuracy
If they went full on with the timeline idea
i find irons pretty accurate anyway
People would complain about so goddamn much
Like most of the guns we'd have would be BF1 weapons lol
I'd be okay with it too
Okey no one on the whole Internet seems to know what a red skull is.
No it's not.
I use bright blue for reflex
Head shot is yellow
And I haven't changed anything
For me headshot is purple
Actually I'm gonna play now and change my hud colours, I've been meaning to
i have yellow-light orange hitmarker, orange-red headshot, dark red kill
Orange red headshot sounds good
"So. My answere (and there right one i guess) is that the white skull is a normal kill(100%) the orange or golden skull is a headshot(100%) and i think the red skull means you killed somebody without the option of reviving. But if its like this im asking myself why there arent always red skulls after a plane kill. Maybe the red skull is the driver or pilot of a vehicle."
so in the end
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Actually your probably right, it's either that or penetration.
or maybe the shadow people are taking over you and changing it between the two
I've got light blue on headshots from memory, I prefer that.
and meme
be cool if smoke could snuff out fires
I like default hit markers
I don't really need to 'see' them, they're not too important
alright when ur spraying through smoke as a support
I change the team colours too to be much more vivid and that helps I find
Yeah
When you go on a 29 man bomber streak but forgot to record it
There
I just increased the red and blue values
Didnāt realize I was going to get that much of a streak
God, seeing the same art style on someone else
Tbh Iām gonna get away from Xbox bfv if I can. Absolutely no one plays medic and itās infuriating
plenty of medics on bs4
same can't be said for bf1
Bf1 medics were worth playing at least
there were times where i was legit the only medic on a 32 man team
Bf1 medics were fun
Thereās literally 1 or 2 medics a team on NA servers
Thereās a difference between a medic who is blind to everyone around him needing a revive and a medic who actualling %%%%ing revives people
my favourite medic is the medic that squad spawns on you, stands around you for 20 seconds as you call out for bandages and then just runs off
Also that assignment for the commando rifle is hard AF, the one where you revive 5 people in one life
I just spam my bandage hotkey
@rocky verge Yeah
On fjell itās so damn hard
@forest eagle try breakthrough
I just did ww2 raptor can think of a name meh
Iām not a fan of operations
Is Schutzstaffel allowed as part of a nickname?
I dont know I'll try it
I'd contact mod mail first
Great, now thereās two of them.
@icy sluice why? I'm sure they won't mind want me to for safety?

@rocky verge @icy sluice what the fuck
Ha
Ello
Clever girl?
@icy sluice it translates to protection squad in English so itās fine
Doing some assignments out of boredom, and all it's doing is making me hate the game.
Is DICE seriously going to make everyone wait until the end of May to give us one map?
Yee
I mean we havenāt got a new map yet so I mean š¤·āāļø
Yeah of course
Dunno whats happening in here but I dont like it 
Allight imma change nickname since it well means Protection squad so that seems allight

If they got problems, they'll just tell you outright
š¤·āāļø
Yeah
š
Krankenwagen sounds like a party wagon
Fuck this whole LiVe SeRvIcE bullshit. I'd rather pay for premium.
Ok
yeah
No, party bus in German means party bus sadly

I got premium for 4, was alright
Got the DLC 2 weeks ahead of the non premiums
I wish they reintroduced premium but require it to include dlc as a discounted price
But pretty much everyone brought premium
Like instead of paying 50$ and getting the DLC for free, you get the dlc for 66% off of 15$
That way you donāt pay for things you donāt want
I don't think many people brought individual packs
ah ea
why can't u let us transfer progress
i got bf4 with premium on xbox and i have it on pc too
rank 109 on xbox
Beacuse they want your money
yeah but i'd still be buying tyhe game for the other platform
just want all my unlock
s
rank and that
But yeah I wish they did
Beacuse it the same email and stuff
Just diffrent console
i could transfer my xbox 360 gta online progress to the pc version when that came out
I dont care if I buy gta 5 new on PC there modders they will just give you money if lucky
why is the new medic weapon dogshit
I guess they never miss, huh?
I'm never gonna kiss ya

Never gonna give you uuup
Uhhhh
No
No
Never
Krag-JĆørgenson
@cunning hornet not a bf thing thanks 
Why would anyone play roblox
It's free
No excuse
We love free things 
Phantom Forces
Until you realise all the microtransactions are there
To drain your mum's credit card
lmao just jumped off the tracks, landed on the stairwell and cowboy headshotted 3 guys with the revolver from behind
rotterdam
Hacks
it's so satisfying
More like Rotterdamn
Is that guy Arthur morgen in ww2
I love when I click play on Battlefield and origin just greys out the play button and doesn't start the game
!lfg
:information_source: <> Looking for Players to play with? Head Over to the Looking For Group Channels in the (#LFG) Channel Category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

Bren is good
i know right
Real men use the Lewis
aye
no MG-42
lewis big black dildo barrel
Lewis couldn't even stop emus
lol
quick i have to take the screen shot while im respawning so it doesnt show a death yet 
lol
Worldstar
Real men don't play support
miss me with that shit
wrong
Real men play medic and always revive
gets in 1v1 with the liberator in firestome
Only medic and sniper
medic is boring tbh
If you play assault your K/D is invalidated
my go-to class in previous games

support
Give medic the 1906 they had it in bf1 why change to recon
real men play medic then never revive anyone 
That's why KHT is a chad
Real men PLAY RECON
Put your pussy fingers to the moon
but I didnt say tbag your allies why would you assume him?
slap on a 3x sight on a bolt-action
lol
Ye recon is still my main class in bfv, only because medic guns are bs
Real men use iron sights not a scope
imagine being in 2019 and not having all classes lvl 20
@rose pilot HAHA I laugh at you
I leveled up all my classes to 20 the month the game came out
@rose pilot the support gods are not happy with you
My most played is medic
We shall curse you with mg42 campers
Imagine not being level 20 in all classes
getting there slowly
I have one day of play time on assault and recon but 4 days on support and 3 days and 14 hours on medic
At least you donāt Main assault
i only played assault because i didn't really like any of the classes but tried support and it's my favourite now
tbh only fun part of assault for me is just piating people across the map
Got Silver Dagger
Eine
Done
Fuck
I have all of them
Oh
Then Good job you completed the game
How about the war story stuff the 3 melee and tank skin @solid hinge
canis horiblandiblus looks ugly imo
You just found out about the BREN peter? Itās so under appreciated
just too much going on
Bren gun is so stupidly powerful
Yeah the bren is really bad hides golden bren
Too bad thereās no extended mag perk but
and doesn't have fat dildo skin for the barrel
@solid hinge the Lewis with extended mag and scope is good
I mean you get more ammo but still
Well they the extended mag
True, Lewis gun is very inaccurate
Trust me it's really good
The extended mag looks like someone put 2 mags and taped them together
the lewis gun has a greater rpm
i couldn't kill shit with support in bf1 lol
fg42?
In bf1
Bf1 Lewis gun was much better
What was it called
lmao Bren is hella good. https://i.imgur.com/H473Q8t.png
Support rank 18 now 
Lewis gun never worked for me in BF1 or V
Oh, the mercy
Benet Mercie
The benecedit merci
That thing was a joke of an LMG
Got 10 service stars
it reminded me of that one Italian LMg
oh yeah that lmao
Breda Modello 30
Yep xD
The one where the bullets stayed in the cartridge
To āeasily refill them for reproduction purposesā
Mhm
Yeah, and guns in these kinds of games really need to jam more
It only did poorly in sandy environments, which is sadly where it was mostly forced to fight
Like how the heck you can get your gun dirty, wet or snowy and it still fire well, I have no clue
jamming would suck
It just depends on how open the action of the gun is
The Mercie Benet was my most used LMG in bf1 until the parabellum
The benecedit merci was very good
Yeah but it would make a heck of a lot more sense
Parabellum low weight š
Parabellum?
It was difficult, but 300% worth it
Shoot down 2 planes with LMG
You mean the pistol?
No
That only took me one game of conquest on one of the Italian maps
Oh wait, the one with the drum sticking out the side
It looks more like a RPD but stupider
Nah I didnāt do that shit besides The Last Tiger cuz the rest of it isnāt worth @rocky verge
Muller op
Airburst mortar wasnāt that bad
I just hated mortars in general
The shooting down planes thing seem a a bit. I donāt want to say hard, but challenging
My playstyle was up close and personal and never stop moving
shooting down planes with LMGs was easier in bf1
Shotguns 
i dont think ive ever done that in bfv
Mostly because aircraft were just becoming a thing xD
@rose pilot kill a plane using the kolibre
Easy
Bet
Bet
if you shoot dynamites with the kolibri, the kill counts towards the pistol.
By shooting lots of explosives with the kolibri
Sure, a flipping 2.5mm bullet can down a 250 ton naval warship
Thatās enforced with steel
Lol
grind is PTSD simulation. TRRRRRRR MMGs TRRRRR
Thatās like trying to get a tank to kill an airplane thatās 90 degrees perpendicular to it
Canāt wait for the MG42
Thereās a reason itās nicknamed ā(axis-leaders) buzzsawā
still trying to unlock it
And 200 round ammo belt extension
^
just got silver flare dogtag
and for good reason
flex
Oh really
who would pick something other than max rpm and max ammo lmao
if it had more than the 50, it would be the best gun in the game
If it was 1200 rpm with 250 that'd be insane
I guess that would make āsomeā sense
hands down
that would just be too hilarious
oh man I just got a 6 man feed with the incendiary but geforce experience cucked me.
fastest dps output
oh wait inb4 the stats say its not the best so its bad 
It would be like the P90 in Cod 4 all over again
incendiary doesnt kill off downed players REEEEEEEEEEE








