no idea
#battlefield-legacy-titles
dreamy plank
midnight nimbus
it's always been like that
irons didn't work like that
so they fixed that
Twitter
shrewd grove
Oh right that guu
Guy*
Oh yeah one of the early testers of the guns in BFV said the Tromboncino will be the best medic weapon
midnight nimbus
[x] to doubt
shrewd grove
Ikr
dreamy plank
what is that
midnight nimbus
probably good for ranged play, which medic lacks
dreamy plank
are you referring to the commando carbine
shrewd grove
I hope it'll be good, but it probably won't ever beat the Suomi or Thompson
No
It's a gun coming out the week after next
I just want something similar to the RSC from BF1
midnight nimbus
> BFV bolt action
> good
pick one
compact oxide
I just want bf1 back again, there's too many little issues in BFV
dreamy plank
gave incentives to snipe
dreamy plank
not in bfv
shrewd grove
Eh BF1 had some issues that persisted for a good bit
But a lot of people just don't have the patience this time around
midnight nimbus
yeah quick swap in BFV isn't good
shrewd grove
Understandably so
midnight nimbus
pistols are too weak
bolts don't have high enough chunk damage
other guns are actually very good
dreamy plank
snipers literally fulfilled their role of being snipers yet everyone hated it
makes no sense to me
wind pendant
in regular mp bolt snipers are fine
midnight nimbus
or borderline hitscan velocity
dreamy plank
firestorm should let you pick a class
in true battlefield fashion
but I guess people prefer lotteries
shrewd grove
I prefer high velocity over sweet spot
midnight nimbus
yeah, classes providing some minor perks would've actually made FS compelling in the BR scene
I prefer sweet spot
shrewd grove
BFV snipers need some big changes regardless when it comes to velocity considering all the SLRs beat them
midnight nimbus
bc it makes edge camping an idiot trap
shrewd grove
True
dreamy plank
they had such an opportunity to make class based battle royale devoid of the lottery
midnight nimbus
and makes objective play actually really good
dreamy plank
with classes able to pick gadgets that help the team in certain situations
but they made the basic lottery royale
shrewd grove
Well I was happy with sweet spot
I liked it
It just infuriated me with things like the Martini
midnight nimbus
there were some imperfect things about BF1 bolts
but I think it was largely well done
shrewd grove
Yeah
dreamy plank
agreed
shrewd grove
And for good reason with it being WW1 themed
I hope bolts can get some good changes in BFV
There's no way they haven't noticed the problem with their velocity
dreamy plank
they should literally just bring back sweetspots
it's makes snipers useful in their role
shrewd grove
I'd be fine with that but it'd need tweaking
At the very least right now they need a huge boost in velocity
It feels like almost every gun in the game beats them on that front
This is the only BF where snipers don't make me angry and I feel unnerved by it lol
Because they ain't getting to do their job
Unless they're getting headshots all day
dreamy plank
they really arent a threat
if youre going to sit and watch a field might as well use an mmg
wind pendant
nr1 priority should be to boost sniper headshot damage in firestorm to 251 damage on kar, at the very least to 201 damage
dreamy plank
less room for error
midnight nimbus
no suppression makes sniper play/counterplay really dumb too
wind pendant
i am unsure whether kar should blow through 2 armor plates
wind pendant
but it 100% should blow through 1 armor plate
dreamy plank
I actually like sniper battles in bfv
theyre just useful everywhere else
useless
lol
midnight nimbus
health packs also ruin sniper duals
heavily favors the sniper that more recently spawned
shrewd grove
I like health packs but yeah that's a problem in that situation
midnight nimbus
no suppression = no reason to relocate in sniper duals
health packs were one of the worst done things in BFV
shrewd grove
The lack of proper suppression made me stop playing support until the 1919 comes out
dreamy plank
the game really didnt need attrition
but i'm ok with it for the most part
the ammo thing can get annoying
shrewd grove
I just hate how long it took to normally regen health in every BF
It slowed the game down in the worst wag
Way
At least in BF1
craggy sparrow
true
dreamy plank
it does speed up the game sometimes though
midnight nimbus
yeah, BF auto health regen is really slow
craggy sparrow
but there are healers
midnight nimbus
I wish they took a more Halo-like approach in auto health regen
shrewd grove
It's weird thinking of a proper solution to the problem
midnight nimbus
I don't think it's hard
craggy sparrow
someone interested in bf1 now?
shut cipher
A proper solution is to play as a team and have a medic
midnight nimbus
doesn't change the garbage that health packs introduced
dreamy plank
right having a good team is so important
shrewd grove
Yeah
The problem is that people don't really treat it like that
With every game the classes lose more identity imo
Then they all kinda blend at some point
sacred junco
It does feel like CQ is a drag when you are getting like 30 kills in your area
but enemy constantly backcaps
and your team is incapable of capping
midnight nimbus
I do like how BFV allows classes to operate more independently in some aspects
sacred junco
no matter what you do
midnight nimbus
but other aspects are worse
I don't like the concept of entirely locking out certain classes from doing most roles
dreamy plank
they all have different weapons this time
but the assault and the support are really similar gadget wise
shrewd grove
I feel like the way classes are right now are more restrictive than archetypes would have been
shrewd grove
Assault gets all explosives
compact oxide
I like when a game gives you the tools to do everything with all the classes, but with variable chance of success
midnight nimbus
that's the biggest issue
dreamy plank
it would be cool to have some variety but I'm ok with it honestly
midnight nimbus
classes should be about specialization, not role restriction
shrewd grove
I feel like medic and maybe even recon should've gotten the frag launcher
dreamy plank
I was annoyed at first but I"m used to it now
midnight nimbus
medic should have the grenade launcher and the AT pistol
midnight nimbus
make the AT pistol really good at breaking fortifications
shrewd grove
Support doesn't need much for explosives
sacred junco
I think the only thing i would ask for
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so you can play "frontline medic" effectively
sacred junco
is giving all classes a decent breaching gadget
shrewd grove
Except maybe the bombs they had in BF1
dreamy plank
that feel when no medic runs smoke anymore
midnight nimbus
no, everyone should have some form of AT
sacred junco
where I can't go into the library because of a sandbag as a lone medic
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if I'm playing medic, i just have to sit there with my thumb up my ass as my teammates fight a tank
can't do anything
shrewd grove
^
midnight nimbus
same with recon
shrewd grove
That's the worst
dreamy plank
the current restrictive system forces you to play as a team
midnight nimbus
that's an unrealistic take
dreamy plank
for however you might not like it individually
shrewd grove
All I have are my smokes, I'll blind the tank you're welcome guys
sacred junco
I don't think so. The game isn't so reliant on vehicle combat to really make you feel worthless as any other class right now
dreamy plank
you just have to accept your role
midnight nimbus
if everyone can contribute as a team member, you get teamwork
sacred junco
Unlike BF4 where I feel like an assault in huge maps are absolute borefest
shrewd grove
I think it's not restricted enough towards teamwork
dreamy plank
but certain members can only do certain things
shrewd grove
Especially when assault can just run around doing everything
dreamy plank
it forces you to work together
midnight nimbus
it doesn't force you to work together
it punishes you for not having higher coordination
two different things
dreamy plank
how else would that medic get in if he doesnt have back up
he cant without help
you literally need team work
midnight nimbus
yeah, if you don't have help, you might as well sit there with your thumb up your ass
dreamy plank
or go do something that you can do
sacred junco
just redeploy then no
dreamy plank
as a medic
midnight nimbus
individuals should be capable on their own
dreamy plank
or go find a teammate
sacred junco
thought deaht was meaningless enough in this game
dreamy plank
youre literally forced to play as a team
midnight nimbus
teamwork is an improvement over individualism
dreamy plank
you might not like it individually
midnight nimbus
teamwork shouldn't be a necessity to play, especially in an inherent blueberry game
dreamy plank
but it serves a purpose
shrewd grove
Parts of the teamwork don't work when you can't work as a part of your team to blow up a tank when one guy hogs all the explosives
dreamy plank
I appreciate knowing every medic can heal and revive
midnight nimbus
strong individuals build strong teamwork
dreamy plank
and as a medic I know that's my job
sacred junco
Roles forces a certain dynamic. if everyone was equally capable of all situations it will be inherently a different kind of game
dreamy plank
even a sub par medic can revive and heal you
midnight nimbus
BFV does not have strong individuals
dreamy plank
I disagree
sacred junco
if everyone can kill tanks equally well then entire system will need to change to accomodate that
midnight nimbus
I'm not asking for everyone to be equally capable in all situations
sacred junco
BFV is not any weaker than 4/1 or even BFBC2
midnight nimbus
everyone just needs to be at the minimum somewhat capable at most roles
sacred junco
the only thing is that in large maps I can't wander around on my own with ease as an assault or recon is all
midnight nimbus
BFV individuals are much weaker than BF1 individuals, and don't even compare to BF4 individuals
sacred junco
I dont see that
midnight nimbus
pretty much everyone in BF1/4 can contribute to anti vehicle efforts
sacred junco
BF4 literally feels like playing a class was a chore
shrewd basalt
i kninda wish that more specialized archetype thing or whatever happened to bfv
sacred junco
assault babysits in large maps
dreamy plank
I'm all for variety
sacred junco
recon solflams and spots
dreamy plank
but you have to admit the system is working and promoting team work
sacred junco
support throws ammo and maybe throw some funky ass gadget
midnight nimbus
BF4 recons are especially important for AT efforts
shrewd basalt
like a more dedicated support gunner that hauls around a tripod he can set up jsut about whereever and make his MMG super accurate but also super stationary
sacred junco
but its an auxillary role
shrewd grove
BF1 had some really powerful individuals with some of them support and medic guns
sacred junco
that nobody really plays well anyways
midnight nimbus
BF4 support had one of the best tools for countering long range campers
sacred junco
might as well just play an engi
i just felt like a complete waste of space in BF4 if I wasn't an engineer or a vehicle in most maps
dreamy plank
how many strong individuals used the crossbow launcher and the mortar on the same class
those werent strong individuals by my estimation
sacred junco
using soflams in pubs felt not very rewarding
midnight nimbus
crossbow + mortar was based
dreamy plank
they were actively hurting their team
midnight nimbus
because ammo boxes had auras
no, they have better tools for helping their team break through
dreamy plank
bfv forces you into your role
midnight nimbus
one support ammo box can supply for a huge chunk of your team
dreamy plank
I agree
midnight nimbus
if the resupply role is already covered, you help your team by picking a different role
dreamy plank
I've never seen an mvp use a mortar and crossbow on the same slot
midnight nimbus
crossbow + mortar to break up the enemy zerg
dreamy plank
how many supports will do their job though
youre diluting the supply
by letting them pick epic kill options
midnight nimbus
if i see that there are supports doing their job, I use crossbow + mortar
dreamy plank
when lets be honest
shut cipher
Man I finished a ton of assignments in the past couple hours
dreamy plank
most of them arent killers
midnight nimbus
the option is important to have
sacred junco
more options will just lead ppl to use the things they want
dreamy plank
eh
sacred junco
not what is always useful
dreamy plank
and exactly
midnight nimbus
I don't mind forcing medic and support to carry health/ammo
dreamy plank
hardline system
midnight nimbus
but doesn't change the fact that BFV gadget distribution still sucks
dreamy plank
solves this problem
midnight nimbus
yeah that too
shrewd grove
At least give medic a choice of an anti tank grenade
midnight nimbus
don't be surprised if you see that influence BFV in the near future 😉
dreamy plank
would be cool
sacred junco
I would prefer if Assault gets a very good long range AT option
dreamy plank
counter argument
sacred junco
and remove nade launchers
dreamy plank
medic shouldnt fight tanks
midnight nimbus
medic shouldn't be able to wreck tanks like assault
but should have AT options
sometimes you have no one to revive
sacred junco
Id say at least a at nade
midnight nimbus
or reviving isn't advisable
sacred junco
or something that gives a guaranteed disable
shut cipher
imagine if medic had shotguns
solid hinge
Oh fuck
sacred junco
wish stickys had something like that
dreamy plank
anti tank nade is fair
midnight nimbus
medic needs AT pistol
dreamy plank
for medic
midnight nimbus
and make the AT pistol do solid engine damage
solid hinge
Im gonna sound kinda gay but
shut cipher
at pistol is fucking useless
sacred junco
its helpful tool
solid hinge
Americans are trash at bfv
sacred junco
not a weapon of war
midnight nimbus
AT pistol doing little damage isn't a problem, but it needs high part based damage
sacred junco
explain why im doing well
dreamy plank
lol say that in my american server
shrewd grove
@solid hinge welcome to NA servers
dreamy plank
while youre taking a clan stack
midnight nimbus
eh, I play on plenty of EU servers
shut cipher
so you lag switched everyone
solid hinge
ON GRIND
shut cipher
good for you
midnight nimbus
I don't think European players are that much better
solid hinge
midnight nimbus
outside of sweaty small modes
dreamy plank
like i'm not going to be stereotypical here
midnight nimbus
BF1 EU FL was good fun
solid hinge
Yea but i was getting fucked for it
dreamy plank
but every euro server I've played on has been less aggressive
midnight nimbus
bc most players were actually pretty good
sacred junco
well i never got to really played FL in BF1
sacred junco
Nobody plays it in the 1st place
shrewd grove
Frontlines in BF1 was so good
midnight nimbus
PC BF1 EU FL was probably the most fun I had in BF
sacred junco
Which is one of the other reasons why I'm still unsold of RSP
shrewd grove
BFV maps weren't properly designed for Frontlines
midnight nimbus
solid sweaty experience
sacred junco
if the community had their way this game would be 50% grind mode
midnight nimbus
BFV FL is so bad
dreamy plank
piat spam in grind is like dangerclose noobtubes in cod mw2
sacred junco
I like some maps
sacred junco
but most maps have weird ass decisions
Devastation, and Aerodrome seem kinda competitive
dreamy plank
I actually like grind
shrewd grove
I hope with feedback they've gotten the later maps like Marita and Mercury will be better
dreamy plank
they should add it for all maps
midnight nimbus
BFV maps just have terrible layouts for FL
sacred junco
Narvik and Fjell makes me go 
midnight nimbus
BFV maps are kinda designed around Breakthrough
shut cipher
I have 58 kills with the krag jorgensen so far and 54 are headshots.
sacred junco
not Fjell
sacred junco
Rotterdam and Fjell are CQ maps by design
shrewd grove
Fjell doesn't really work with much
midnight nimbus
but most maps are great for the mode
shut cipher
not to flex
dreamy plank
I like all the maps in this game
midnight nimbus
lolwat
dreamy plank
I just wish we had more
sacred junco
Twisted Steel is a BT map id say
midnight nimbus
the Rotterdam CQ layout is one of the worst I've ever seen
shrewd grove
Breakthrough is too fun
sacred junco
Nah
dreamy plank
except fjell
sacred junco
Rotterdam CQ is one of the BEST layouts in BF I've seen
sacred junco
made me buy the game
midnight nimbus
Rotterdam BT is pretty solid, aside from the first sector
actually flows pretty decently
sacred junco
not perfect, but I was just so sick of BF1 CQ design
that devolved around centerfucks
midnight nimbus
yeah CQ design has gone downhill since BF3
sacred junco
that Rotterdam having a non-busy center was refreshing for me
midnight nimbus
BF1 CQ had its gems though
shrewd grove
Rotterdams first sector in breakthrough is God awful but after that it's fun
sacred junco
Not all of them are bad
midnight nimbus
coming from someone who hates CQ in general
shut cipher
my accuracy with the Meme30 Drilling is 87% wow that's a good flex
sacred junco
and Id say Fort De Vaux was a good direction for a Metros style clusterfuck
midnight nimbus
> having sub 100% acc with a shotgun
sacred junco
but so many awful maps
shrewd grove
I hate CQ as well but some of BF1s CQ was amazing
midnight nimbus
I loved Amiens and Achi Baba
shrewd grove
Amiens and Achi Baba, and Heligoland Bight
sacred junco
ruin the whole experience
not necesarrily because it is inherently bad
but what people decide to do
shut cipher
@midnight nimbus my accuracy with the other 2 shotguns is actually 100% but it must be bugged
shrewd grove
What was that one French city at night, I loved that one on CQ, and that one French map that was night and mostly trenches
sacred junco
Heligoland is a weird one
dreamy plank
prise
shut cipher
I've missed a lot with the 1897
shut cipher
when I first used it I sucked with shotguns
sacred junco
BFV had the best cap point design so far imo
dreamy plank
maps are really expansive
sacred junco
with plenty of space and options to hold
shrewd grove
Prise De Tahure was so fun
sacred junco
BF1 CQ caps were too small usually
sacred junco
or odd "open area cap only"
midnight nimbus
something BF1 lacked
sacred junco
like the C cap in Fort De Vaux
midnight nimbus
I loved BF1 FL cap areas
shrewd grove
Ngl I love Hamada BT to death
midnight nimbus
BF1 and BFV suffer from similar map design issues imo
midnight nimbus
long range areas are too long range, close range areas are too close range
no opportunities for based midrange
sacred junco
mid range is kind of a magic
stoic breach
Devastation has that
sacred junco
mid range is kind of hard to make I think
because it leads to potential easy sight lines for easy kills
stoic breach
Prise had an amazing triangular sightline at C flag
midnight nimbus
BF3 did it well
shrewd grove
I feel like Mercury will have some good mid range judging by concept art if they follow that closely
sacred junco
man Bazaar was just a corridor
midnight nimbus
even the BF3 CQ expansions had long enough corridors for midrange fights
shrewd grove
BF3's CQB expansion was so good
stoic breach
Aerodrome has midrange but the map itself has weird design
midnight nimbus
Aerodrome is just painful without a vehicle
stoic breach
Its designed for tank camping in conquest as well as BT
midnight nimbus
if i can't get a tank, I just leave
stoic breach
BT is fine for tank camping but not CQ
shrewd grove
Aerodrome is weird to me, its way too open and too cluttered at the same time
sacred junco
Wish I could just fight around D in Aerodrome
sacred junco
and BT Aerodrome is the most WTF thing in BFV so far
dreamy plank
yea whoever gets hanger
shrewd grove
BT aerodrome is awful
midnight nimbus
I love playing as the Brits on Aerodrome
shrewd grove
Especially on the last sector
midnight nimbus
also bc the Brits have better tanks in general
midnight nimbus
fun fact: Valentine Mk8 out DPSes the Tiger
shrewd grove
The last sector is impossible to defend because it's just too open and let's everyone get in from all sides
sacred junco
Meant in BT more so
midnight nimbus
I mean BT is the only mode I play
sacred junco
like you are sharing space with5 5 other tanks
and nothing really seems to happen usually
dreamy plank
I dont think any of these maps are good for tanks
midnight nimbus
I just out-killwhore the other tanks
dreamy plank
elevation kind of fricks you
shrewd grove
I don't think I ever play anything besides BT unless I'm forced to
midnight nimbus
Arras is one of my favorite tanking maps
stoic breach
Hamada is only good for tanks and crap for infantry, Panzerstorm is great for everything
Arras is just one of the best maps in general
sacred junco
Arras kind of has a focal issue
stoic breach
Its the perfect blend of infantry and vehicle lanes and rotations
sacred junco
where ppl gravitate to the center
dreamy plank
panzerstorm I would say is a good tank map as well as hamada
most maps have so much elevation to evade tanks
midnight nimbus
I mean gravitating towards the center isn't an issue in BT
sacred junco
but its still small enough people to spread out
stoic breach
Arras is generally just really balanced
dreamy plank
then again I dont play breakthrough any more so most breakthrough maps are great for tanks
stoic breach
Yeah ironically more shit on screen in Arras is easier to see than Narvik
shrewd grove
Arras is one map that actually has more going for it than just looks or design
midnight nimbus
Narvik is just an atrocious map, all around
sacred junco
Rush is kinda fun
midnight nimbus
almost enjoyable as a vehicle
dreamy plank
on grind it's fun
stoic breach
I thought it was fine but I've gone back to hating it now
The map feels like it was designed for Conquest Assault
sacred junco
Narvik is def one of those "CQ is too CQ" kind of map
sacred junco
the center village is just too much sometimes if 64 players are in it
shrewd grove
Narvik has very certain spots that I enjoy but besides that nothing
stoic breach
Its basically one map split into two halves and each half is it's own Suez
shrewd grove
I've only had fun playing Narvik in grind
sacred junco
bulletproof curtains
shut cipher
I like all maps mostly
sonic rampart
True
midnight nimbus
Narvik is one of those maps where I'll just wait for a vehicle
sonic rampart
I like the buildings aswell
midnight nimbus
or just sit on an artillery piece
sacred junco
Narvik is like 3 different maps melded into one
sonic rampart
The objective with the buildings
midnight nimbus
I love Panzerstorm
stoic breach
Hamada is shit for infantry
midnight nimbus
bc there's enough vehicles so that I don't have to play infy
stoic breach
Panzerstorm is basically Arras-very-large
midnight nimbus
and good visibility
stoic breach
Its perfect for large scale battle
dreamy plank
disagree with panzerstorm but I like hamada
stoic breach
Hamada needs work on infantry rotations and sightline blockers
sacred junco
Panzerstorm is more inf friendly than Hamada
shrewd grove
Hamada BT I really like as infy tbh
shut cipher
god I fuck some shit up on devastation with the 12g auto
stoic breach
Hamada BT is great for everything
shut cipher
43-7 in grind not to flex
stoic breach
Hamada CQ is awful
sacred junco
At least they added more tanks
midnight nimbus
I only tank on Hamada
sacred junco
CQ/CQB update aside
midnight nimbus
and yeah needs more tanks
stoic breach
Hamada BT is amazing cause it breaks the map up into little gameplay chunks
stoic breach
You push as attacker with tank and plane support
sacred junco
i keep only getting germany tho
shut cipher
nothing of breakthrough is amazing
midnight nimbus
I only enjoyed flying helis in BF
dreamy plank
not overpowered enough for me to learn how to fly
shut cipher
breakthrough is bad
shrewd grove
Hamada CQ makes me fall asleep as I'm running to the next flag
dreamy plank
resupplying bores me
stoic breach
Breakthrough is the best gamemode
sacred junco
really, Finding it hard to maneuver with the BF109s
shut cipher
no
midnight nimbus
BF109/Ju-88A or C are the best planes in the game
dreamy plank
stay at d and c strider
midnight nimbus
BF109 out DPSes Spitfire hard
shut cipher
conquest is the best mode
midnight nimbus
but yeah you need upgrades
stoic breach
Hamada doesnt focus infantry anywhere
shut cipher
I actually play it now
dreamy plank
on hamada I run between d and c the most action is that side
sacred junco
thats the not fun part
midnight nimbus
BF109 can also pound people on the ground
dreamy plank
b is pretty close too
shut cipher
flying is not that hard once you actually try to do something in a plane
stoic breach
@dreamy plank infantry arent obliged to stay in a flag line on Hamada like on Panzerstorm
shut cipher
I used to think it was hard until I actually tried to do something instead of just randomly flying around
dreamy plank
you mean conquest
stoic breach
Yes
shut cipher
@shrewd grove I used to say conquest sucks in bfv too but I like it now because of grind
stoic breach
D flag is the most important flag in Hamada but theres no reason to stay there on the point
dreamy plank
alot of traffic through there
stoic breach
C is blocked by a massive hill
shrewd grove
I play CQ anytime anyone in the server plays with me and I never enjoy it compared to BT
dreamy plank
and the majority of points are that side of the bridge
so that's where I roam
keep In mind I dont literally sit on d
I just patrol that side of the bridge
until every flag that side is capped
stoic breach
There is nothing between B and C though
The landscape is too uneven for vehicles to fight across and too open for infantry
dreamy plank
I might have the flags mixed up
I just run around as infantry
and slay
those are the closest flags
on that map
with the most traffic
dreamy plank
and the highest incentive to hold
stoic breach
There is no holding on Hamada
dreamy plank
roaming
stoic breach
Its not good enough for infantry
The infantry rotations are really long and drawn out
And there is no incentive to use the rotation between C and F
sacred junco
or just get rid of it entirely
dreamy plank
it's so big and epic though
sacred junco
would've liked it better if the map didn't have a canyon
dreamy plank
I like it in some ways
stoic breach
The bridge is great
dreamy plank
but I just play it to win
stoic breach
Its a really good chokepoint
dreamy plank
definitely interesting
stoic breach
The problem is that theres no reason to "choke" anything
stoic breach
The canyon is just poorly implemented
The bridge should be in the center of the canyon so the B - E rotation is more pronounced and viable
And the C - F rotation is less open and sluggish
dreamy plank
yea theirs no real reason to commit to f
from c
just go back to d
unless you have all 4 flags on that side
then advance
stoic breach
If the landscape between C, D and B was flatter with smaller outcrops and canyons for infantry it would be great for tank battle
Yeah
Then infantry would be safe unless they get focused fire on them
dreamy plank
a tank should Ideally sit infront of d and watch the bridge and behind d and watch c and d
c and b I meant
stoic breach
The canyon outside D gets used in Breakthrough and its a great spot
Theres no reward for cutting off rotations between C, D or B
dreamy plank
stop them from getting c or d
what else are you gonna do
once you have them then move up
c or b I meant
but d also
stoic breach
The map is just sluggish
stoic breach
I forgot that GER has an advantage in CQ
dreamy plank
is that f side
dark cairn
@stoic breach how do you get your roles next to your name? it doesnt seem to work for me from the roles channel
dreamy plank
because I think whatever side spawns a side has advantage
dark cairn
@stoic breach 😆 why didnt i think of that. thanks!
midnight nimbus
holding/defending CQ flags in general is a meme
unless you have a level of team coordination that's virtually impossible in pubs
shrewd grove
Pretty much, defending in CQ is pretty much a death sentence 90% of the time since you'll be alone getting destroyed by a squad
dreamy plank
maps arent as static as bf1
midnight nimbus
it's most effective to constantly rotate
dreamy plank
way more varied elevation
midnight nimbus
maps are poorly laid out for the half + 1 hold
dreamy plank
some of them can be
midnight nimbus
also defending is generally unfun
dreamy plank
it isnt as useful
midnight nimbus
not rly
midnight nimbus
it's more productive to be constantly capping
sacred junco
because I find it hard to really realiagn the basic pattern of how our teams move
if our team is constantly at a cap disadvantage
sacred junco
its because our team caps 2 while they cap 3
There comes a point where you just making sure that your own caps aren't immidiately capped after your team caps the enemies things
can make some differences
its not all the time
and its not passive defense
Maps like Rotterdam
midnight nimbus
lolwat
sacred junco
I thought i could just keep capping, but if the entire team can end up capping 2 points only for them to lose the rest of them
at that point
midnight nimbus
BFV is passivity, reborn
dreamy plank
in bfv you can watch one doorway in alot of maps
bf1 sorry
maps are more open in this game
midnight nimbus
I'm talking more in a general gameplay sense than CQ "strategy"
dreamy plank
more areas to enter a capture point
midnight nimbus
but I think having more key chokepoints was better design
dreamy plank
I'm having alot of flashbacks to fort
sacred junco
fort de vaux cq is fine
but Operations felt absolutely dreadful
but i think operations in general is dreadful
olive apex
i am playing a better battlefied V (battlefield 1942)
dreamy plank
the variance in elevation in bfv maps allows you to move to points with cover more often
than you could in bf1
which is why playing offensively is generally more useful
midnight nimbus
until you get ATTRITIONED
stoic breach
BF1 did have elevation in maps
dreamy plank
lot of open fields though
midnight nimbus
yeah BF1 had a ton of high elevation maps
olive apex
BF1942 has elevation
midnight nimbus
have you played BFV
olive apex
No
midnight nimbus
there's so many open fields
dreamy plank
but the variance in elevation is important
there are less completely open stretches
between capture points
stoic breach
Yeah thats it then
dreamy plank
my friends would only play breakthrough
dreamy plank
gets boring waiting for the baddy boys to come out of spawn
dreamy plank
I hate waiting at an out of bounds line
dreamy plank
if there was no out of bounds I'd be fine with it
midnight nimbus
CQ is hardly even raw action
sacred junco
CQ does give you some powers in how you want move sometimes
midnight nimbus
bc there's just nothing going on most of the time
stoic breach
Its raw in the sense that theres no structure
dreamy plank
go towards high traffic then
midnight nimbus
in BT, how you move actually matters
dreamy plank
there's always action somewhere
midnight nimbus
bc of the structure
dreamy plank
or play grind
midnight nimbus
BT is just the logical conclusion of CQ
people only want to play on the fun central areas anyways
shrewd grove
BT just gets you in the action without always worrying about being stabbed in the back everytime you stop moving
sacred junco
I'm finding it easier to fight in CQ than BT these days
dreamy plank
but I hate waiting at the spawn line
sacred junco
I get so little done when things are at a standstill
dreamy plank
you can be alot more creative in your routing in conquest
sacred junco
maps like Devastation is high octane enough in CQ as it is
midnight nimbus
BT tanking is much more fun than CQ imo
sacred junco
and Rotterdam does make me think about where i want to spawn a lot of the times
shrewd grove
CQ tanking is worrying about the squad of assaults hiding behind a rock simulator
midnight nimbus
I refuse to play Rotterdam CQ after the beta
sacred junco
most caps seem to be game for enemies and its kinda good to guess where you think the enemies are gonna be and try to block em out
guess thats the big break
between you and i
sacred junco
nah i do plenty fine in Panzerstorm
dreamy plank
the one exception
sacred junco
and Arras
shrewd grove
Yeah Arras is small enough
midnight nimbus
Arras is the only CQ I've played in BFV since launch
but it was playing rep monkey for a friend so it was actually fun
bc hackusations
sacred junco
Thats the case for just about every modern BF game
stoic breach
Rotterdam is good for most people
shrewd grove
I play CQ on occasion, it never compares to BT
Only map I can stand playing on Conquest is Devestation
sacred junco
nothing as bad as Damavand/Metro level of mode differential though
dreamy plank
vote for conquest servers to be raised to 50v50
if we can play grind 32v32 we can get conquest 60v60
shrewd grove
Inb4 frostbite explodes
shrewd grove
lmao
sacred junco
never got use to the whole
midnight nimbus
yeah new shooting/moving mechanics introduced in BO3 aren't good
sacred junco
"fight a bit until you are dying to KS for 3-4 minutes"
stoic breach
BO3 was awful
shrewd grove
CoD 3 was the only cod I really loved, and that was because it had tanks and shit
stoic breach
It was shitty Titanfall and I can never forgive that
green elm
imagine a tank killstreak
dreamy plank
cod boys on reddit literally fight tooth and nail against 9v9 coming back
cod 3 was cool
sacred junco
TF attrition is kinda wank mode
midnight nimbus
the bad thing about BO3 is the increased movement slowdown introduced when you start shooting
sacred junco
wish I could play other modes more
green elm
bf4 9v9 siege of shanghai
sacred junco
man tried playing CoD WaW
midnight nimbus
BF4 8s was awesome
sacred junco
the awkward halts when you ads
dreamy plank
not conquest
sacred junco
can't reload while sprinting
dreamy plank
what are you casual
stoic breach
BO3 has the worst movement mechanics ever
midnight nimbus
BF4 has my favorite movement of any grounded FPS
sacred junco
weird 5 second animation to lay down mines
midnight nimbus
Titanfall takes the cake for FPS movement in general
dreamy plank
I always think I have to press jump to start running on walls
midnight nimbus
problem with TF is that it's just too difficult for normies
people aren't good at thinking in 3 dimensions
green elm
sinai shotgun only 1v1
midnight nimbus
also why most people suck at BF flying
sacred junco
think CoD is harder than TF so far
dreamy plank
different skills
midnight nimbus
well TF lost more of its sweaty players
shrewd grove
Sinai was such a shit map
midnight nimbus
BO4 on PC is just ludicrously sweaty though
dreamy plank
except when you have a clan stack
midnight nimbus
I hate how BF lacks that attitude
sacred junco
guess that explains it
dreamy plank
then sinai is fun, and you have the tank
shrewd grove
Sinai was only fun for bombers and tankers
The only good thing that came out of it was Sinai dog
midnight nimbus
assault rifles in BO4 have really similar damage models to BF assault rifles
5 bullets to kill at most ranges
but yeah BO4 TTK is a mess
dreamy plank
but the maps are small
midnight nimbus
iirc, I think they buffed it so that BO4 ARs are pretty much always 5BTK
dreamy plank
it just doesnt fit that they are using 5 or more bullet to kill model
on 3 bullet ttk maps
midnight nimbus
it just doesn't feel like traditional CoD
dreamy plank
that we used to play on
midnight nimbus
that's all
dreamy plank
cod was always about catching someone out of position
shrewd grove
CoD map design in general has always gone back and forth from too small or too big
stoic breach
Arent the maps in BO4 crap
dreamy plank
now you cant because it takes so many bullets to kill
and they can heal instantly
that was the whole point of cod
sacred junco
I just got very mad playing BO4
dreamy plank
catch them out in the open
sacred junco
because I didn't understand all the perks
dreamy plank
but that just doesnt matter anymore
sacred junco
and someone had some weird heat minethat kept killing me capping b
and no matter what
I could not figure out what it was
sacred junco
it wasn't showing up in the ks
and i couldn't fine any description of a heat mine of anysort
but yeah it was on 24/7 and no one disldoged it
shrewd grove
I also like the manual healing tbh
sacred junco
i think its easier in most fights
midnight nimbus
BFV health packs are easily top 10 stupidest things about this game
it makes SMG medic tolerable
dreamy plank
on grind
midnight nimbus
but medics shouldn't have SMGs or zero cooldown self heal spam
two unhealthy metas don't make one right
dreamy plank
yep zero cooldown lel
whatever happened to throwing the pouch
you atleast have to go through that animation
stoic breach
You could healthpack yourself in the same way with the pouch
dreamy plank
right but it's harder to do in gunfights
midnight nimbus
having to throw the pouch at your feet was stupid
dreamy plank
pretty sure the animation is way shorter and can be canceled as well
midnight nimbus
genuinely ridiculous how medic self heal can turn bolt actions into 4HKs
dreamy plank
the animations for throwing the med and supply crates and how picky it is
is completely unnecessary
midnight nimbus
medic should have the same self heal, regardless of whether they pick pouches or crates
crates need to be aura based
stoic breach
Most animations in BFV are unnecessary
midnight nimbus
now they're equal options
solid hinge
well its a dilemma, some people will make videos pointing out unrealistic no anim physics in BF games, so Dice adds anims, then some people will make videos about how they are unnecessary. Cant please everyone
dreamy plank
i'm ok with the animations but the nature of having to pull out the crate then throw it, then your character might not want to throw it
then try again
dreamy plank
exactly
solid hinge
yeah I know
my pet peeve is prone animation, how many times my avatar stands up in a firefight.. le sigh
dreamy plank
the animations themselves are beautiful
guess I worded that wrong
I clipped through a floor in navrik today prone
i was on the top floor
and I clipped like 5 feet below me to the first floor
like spiderman
weak marsh
Guys happy easter
hollow solar
i want anzac skins
astral sable
@hollow solar
sweet fulcrum
I'm excited for the elite skins mostly because the axis one has good black leather gloves
brisk field
i just won in firestorm again
solid hinge
in a game with manual activation of healing, they also have some of the weakest bolt actions in terms of damage I've ever seen
that's not a good combo at all
tacit haven
anyone still play bf4 here
sweet fulcrum
Let's get that headshot
wild jacinth
olive apex
i want battlefield 1944
and battlefield 2 remastered if only we could have it then battlefield would rise up again
weak marsh
Medic are useless in most of the maps
Because of SMGs
And isn't a meta thing the health system of the medic
sweet fulcrum
- laughs in MP34 sniper *
weak marsh
MP40 sniper
solid hinge
Any one plays bf3 here?
Specific console:ps3
i want to know how active is it, how many dlc servers you can find, how many tdm
bronze grotto
70 carbine kills 
trim token
I do
compact oxide
I want so much back 
echo glen
The De Lisle Carbine's a peashooter
Pray your second shots land b4 the enemy sprays you down
bronze grotto
im only 20 kills away from being done with that meme stick
echo glen
I'll pray that the Trombone gun and the luger will be better than Mr. Chubby Barrel
sweet fulcrum
Tromboncino*, sorry for the grammar nazi thing but I'm from Pizzaland
haughty pawn
any good idea about that 2 nade kills in 1 life?only bad luck so far,like really bad luck lol
echo glen
Grind may help you there friend
haughty pawn
tried there the most
camping an ammo crate
nothing :/
always with moltovs
countless 1 kills,but never 2 lol
nocturne swallow
Try frag or impact
echo glen
Maybe impact because if it's frag, enemies can still run away
haughty pawn
which one is the instant one ?
haughty pawn
gonna give that one a try thx,i usually only use molotovs
echo glen
The commando carbine is a fricking peashooter
haughty pawn
it's a "fun" weapon,nothing more
echo glen
I died so many times
haughty pawn
never touched it again after i hit lvl 4 with it lol
nocturne swallow
Fun weapons get many kills easily imo
echo glen
But it's satisfying to hit headshots
haughty pawn
the bullet drop off cause of sub sonic is way to high on distance
sten is imo better,except you don't get a 3x scope
nocturne swallow
It is a .45acp isn't it? So it's a low speed bullet as it is
echo glen
Yep
sleek schooner
echo glen
For memes yes, but bad for actual fun
haughty pawn
it's kinda ok if you wanna solo around i guess,but for teamplay it's pretty usless
nocturne swallow
Isn't it a lot like the CS5 in BF4 ultimately?
haughty pawn
had my fun with it on fjell camping the A spot a while
as allies
where i did my 5 kills in 1 life thing
echo glen
Well, it's fun when you shoot them in the back without them realizing
haughty pawn
ye,hard to get where you get shot from
but also hard to constant hit a moving target
nocturne swallow
It is good to have variety weapons now at least. BF1 got fun when they startes adding weird stuff
haughty pawn
maybe it get's a little buff in terms of bullet speed,or less drop off,would be a huge upgrade
but i doubt it
haughty pawn
problem with a dmg buff could be that it might become to op on hipfire ?
solid hinge
It's still 109rpm max
haughty pawn
if you're good with aiming at least
solid hinge
The webley is a 2 hit kill with very sweet hipfire and 200rpm
brisk field
"Sten is good on firestorm"
Yeah right
haughty pawn
wtf,is this for real ?
opaque cipher
Seems so
haughty pawn
i do that all the time as defender on panzerstorm in breaktrough
brisk field
This is the equivalent of that one high school challenge your friends dared you to do
solid hinge
im on cocaine so im safe
haughty pawn
the only time i play recon
brisk field
It was weed day yesterday not cocaine day
haughty pawn
ye ye
solid hinge
nocturne swallow
Everyone celebrates in their own way
haughty pawn
impact grenade is assault only ?
sonic rampart
DoNt Do DrUgS kIdS
solid hinge
@haughty pawn support only