battlefield-legacy-titles

[slate carbon]

clumsy?

have you ever used a controller before or are you just talking out your ass?

[thorn current]

its not optimal

[slate carbon]

no i agree

but its not clumsy, or clunky

some games work better with controllers, like fighting games

or really any adventure style games like rpgs

except minecraft

[midnight nimbus]

or racing games

[thorn current]

well its inefficient which is a definition of clumsy

so ergo it is clumsy

[solid hinge]

I have been using a console type usb controller for my left hand for 14 years, its way faster than using the keyboard wsad and more convenient, though my mapping would probably confuse you

[thorn current]

well that's debatable

[slate carbon]

inefficient is subjective

i play halo 3 with a controller and still do good

[drowsy cape]

How is the Commando Carbine?

[slate carbon]

its close

[shrewd grove]

I love the commando so far

It feels super good to get kills with

[slate carbon]

@thorn current like if i was super competitive or in e sports i would obviously use a mouse because its way more twitchy, but for most casual purposes controller is far from inefficient

[dense bone]

is commando carbine the de isle?

[shrewd grove]

Yeah

[drowsy cape]

I did not get to play today,will unlock it tomorrow.

[shrewd grove]

I can finally get rid of the pesky mmg campers preventing my revives

[dense bone]

i probably wont get it till the weekend

[solid hinge]

if you have.nt tried it, you can in the single player

[drowsy cape]

Ps. Is it hard to get 15.000 score in grind?

@solid hinge No ;(

[dense bone]

thought on how good the gun is?

[slate carbon]

i wish it had higher* mid range damage

[solid hinge]

im still grinding for it too

[thorn current]

@slate carbon I agree, for casual purposes it's ok

[shrewd grove]

It needs tweaks but it's all around really nice imo

[solid hinge]

tho tbf i started late

[hoary condor]

dam we are ruining things

[dense bone]

it seems like it will get outclassed by everything though

[thorn current]

what chapter rank is everyone so far?

[hoary condor]

205-0

[slate carbon]

im at 22

wbu?

[solid hinge]

22

[drowsy cape]

I will start grinding it tomorrow ;/

[dense bone]

im at tow rank 18ish

[shrewd grove]

Idk I just outhipfired a guy who had a 50 round suomi

[thorn current]

21 atm but haven't been playing too much

[dense bone]

idc about it

[native kiln]

18

[shrewd grove]

And I'm using default commado

Commando*

[dense bone]

isnt rof on it super low?

[drowsy cape]

Suomi

[shrewd grove]

103 with upgrade

[drowsy cape]

Wait,he was bad at the game right?

[dense bone]

and 3btk?

[shrewd grove]

I think 93 by default

No 2 and 1 shot headshot

At least in close range

[slate carbon]

grand operations is a good way to get progress

[hoary condor]

@sonic rampart 🎄

[dense bone]

hmm, so close range you can 2 shot body shot

sounds interested

[drowsy cape]

@dense bone ikr

MK IV Revolver but a longer effective range and bigger mag size.

[shrewd grove]

Basically a close range slr

[drowsy cape]

Oh boi!

[dense bone]

that rof sounds horrible though

[drowsy cape]

It should be ok.

[dense bone]

but i always wanted an slr that can 1hsk close

[midnight nimbus]

it's the same damage as a slug shotgun, minus the OHK up close

but it shoots slower than a slug shotgun

[drowsy cape]

Anyways I have to sleep,bye everyone.

[dense bone]

adios

[solid hinge]

yeah above 40 M its iffy

for a head shot

[midnight nimbus]

2BTK to 30m

it can only OHSK to 30m as well

[drowsy cape]

@solid hinge ironsights good?

[midnight nimbus]

it actually has really good irons

[solid hinge]

well, tbh that really depends on your rig

[shrewd grove]

I like it's irons a lot

[midnight nimbus]

but it gets the OP 2x scope

[shrewd grove]

More spread out than the Enfield

[midnight nimbus]

so why use irons

[drowsy cape]

It gets a 2x? the one on M95?

If so Im all over it!

[sonic rampart]

[midnight nimbus]

the one on the AG m/42 and 1906

[drowsy cape]

OH YE @midnight nimbus

ok

[shrewd grove]

Nvm 109 upgraded rof but 93 by default

[sonic rampart]

Why are you playing normal conquest

[dense bone]

why use 2x when its effective under 30m

[midnight nimbus]

the OP 2x

[drowsy cape]

I'd be gay for that sight.

[midnight nimbus]

a bit better for picking heads, same ADS time as irons

no reason not to pick it

[drowsy cape]

@dense bone I use 3x under 20m all the time so.

[dense bone]

ew

[drowsy cape]

STG 3x

as well as M1

[dense bone]

i use iron/holo/nydar for everything but 2x for ZH

[drowsy cape]

Bye

[dense bone]

i only use iron when i cant use holo/nydar

[solid hinge]

yeah 2x is max for me

[midnight nimbus]

I use 3x on almost everything

[solid hinge]

being counter sniped is no fun

[midnight nimbus]

especially Bren

[dense bone]

im always in the thick of the battle so having any kind of scope i think puts me at a disadvantage

[midnight nimbus]

I use reflex/Nydar on things like the 1907 and FG42 though

and moved to Nydar for the G 1-5

[solid hinge]

I hope they keep grind, even if only for a place to get some of the harder ToW assignments

Does it get a 6x

[shrewd grove]

A 6x would be awful

[weak violet]

Guys what is the best game mode for 20 hip fire kills while on an objective

[solid hinge]

Grind

That's exactly why it needs it

[weak violet]

Ok

[patent kiln]

but you need a very even game. so far most games ends very quickly

[green elm]

remember a 40x scope on the mare’s leg

[patent kiln]

for my hipfire assignements i always just proned in a corner on Rotterdam D in conquest

there is always party

[weak violet]

I mean it took me a whole round to get 10 hip fire kills in an objective

[solid hinge]

remember the 400 year old cannons on operation mortar in BF4

hilarious tbh

[green elm]

remember metro

[ripe axle]

How is it

[outer oxide]

Are they adding any epic outfits thru the tow weekly challenges?

[midnight nimbus]

I want 4x scopes :/

2x/3x isn't enough for the AG

[dense bone]

i still find it weird people like such high magnification

[solid hinge]

In bf1 i used iron sight bolt actions

Martini henry slays

[scenic beacon]

irons are fine for me, only thing i really would take magnification for would be bolts with low drop

[solid hinge]

Martini is single shot though

Best bolt is the steyr m95 in my opinion

[dense bone]

im irons if i cant use reflex/nydar, and for certain guns on certain map ill use a 2x

[native kiln]

Is there a gun you can get a bayonet on other than snipers?

[solid hinge]

some assault weapons iirc, actually certain shotguns too

[midnight nimbus]

easier to see/pick heads with high mag

[native kiln]

How I don’t see it In specializations

[scenic beacon]

1907sf, mp34, fg42, m1987 all take bayonets @native kiln

[dense bone]

i guess it comes down to play style and common range

[native kiln]

Ok thank you

[dense bone]

i never had those two problems, and if i did, they were far enough that i dont need to bother with them

[scenic beacon]

np!

[hollow aurora]

go crazy aaaaaaaa

go stupid aaaaaaaa

[hoary condor]

mg42

[safe ruin]

нахера новый карабин дали медику? серьёзно. почему бы не дать пушку для тихих развед операций - разведчику?!

[solid hinge]

@safe ruin English please

[wind pendant]

нет

[safe ruin]

why the new carbine gave the medic? Seriously. why not give a gun for quiet reconnaissance operations — recon ?!

[green elm]

because medic has the least variety most likely?

[weak violet]

Sup

[scenic beacon]

give them more weapons with a bayonet!

Hey trevor

[weak violet]

Hello Tea

I feel bad, 19 hipfire kills in 1 round

So close

[scenic beacon]

ugh, i feel your pain

[weak violet]

[dense bone]

@safe ruin new gun is a niche slr basically, which recon already have

[weak violet]

It was 1 ticket left

[dense bone]

its more fitting, but more of the same

[weak violet]

If I had just killed that last guy

[scenic beacon]

try semi auto ars

ugh

20 objective headshot kills

[midnight nimbus]

Commando Carbine is closer to a shotgun than it is to an SLR tbh

[shut cipher]

Tommy gun best gun. Don't @ me

[pulsar valve]

Lewis

[hoary condor]

nice mozzy

hope you are well

[dense bone]

damn demplayzz and spitfire

those guys are good

[dusky badge]

How to win every firestorm round: have the high ground.

[dense bone]

i want to try the de lisle now

[scenic beacon]

[solid hinge]

[hoary condor]

339-0 rip :lul

@sonic rampart for the tbag

[sonic rampart]

[unique mango]

what guns

[sonic rampart]

imagine getting an axe chopped through your head and you get t bagged after

[unique mango]

are medic baynoet guns

yes

[sonic rampart]

[unique mango]

what

guns

can medics

have

that have bayonets

i love bayonets

but

i love medic

help me please

anyone please

[icy sluice]

MP34 can have a bayonet

[unique mango]

@sonic rampart lol every single time somebody has gone to t-bag me they ended up getting fucked from another directon

thanks you

thank you*

i've been rocking the sten for ages

gonna be weird getting used to a new weapon

[shrewd grove]

Instant karma when people die after a teabag

[dusky badge]

^

[unique mango]

it happens every time for me here

when killing someone somebody else is bound to notice lmao

[scenic beacon]

i just dip one irl, nobody can ge- dies to bayonet

[midnight nimbus]

the problem with bayonets is that you often have to give up a really good spec

like barrel bedding for the MP34

or custom stock for the FG42

lightened stock for the 1907

[icy sluice]

Stock is always great

btw, whomst'dve unironically uses a fucking bipod for a sniper?

Or fucking holds their breath?

[scenic beacon]

literally unnecessary until like 500m

[shrewd grove]

@dense bone you ain't gonna like the commando until you get rapid fire

Just letting you know how

[pale rain]

@midnight nimbus is the commando carbine good or ass?

[shrewd grove]

Now*

[hoary condor]

hello

[scenic beacon]

Hi!

How're you @hoary condor ?

[midnight nimbus]

terrible @pale rain

use literally anything else

[pale rain]

Assumed lol

[hoary condor]

im good man

[shrewd grove]

I like it a lot

[pale rain]

I’ll use it because I think it’ll be fun

And it’s just cool

[dense bone]

isnt it only a 10 rof increase though?

[pale rain]

But not because I think it’s good lol

[midnight nimbus]

don't worry, the P08 Carbine is even worse

[shrewd grove]

Starts at 93 and goes to 109

[midnight nimbus]

that's a big deal when you're talking 2BTKs

but still shit

you're upgrading from shit to less shit

[pale rain]

God my lag is so bad rn

[wind pendant]

Pfft, if you cant land a 400m headshot with carbine its you thats shit bruh

[scenic beacon]

fook

[pale rain]

Is it one shot headshot at any range?

[scenic beacon]

no

[shrewd grove]

Up to 30 I think

[wind pendant]

no, it does like 30 damage at 300m

[scenic beacon]

10m max

[pale rain]

Ah

[scenic beacon]

i think

not sure

[pale rain]

Jesus lol

[midnight nimbus]

30m OHSK

[pale rain]

Not gonna lie it sounds fucking awful

But I appreciate the uniqueness

[midnight nimbus]

same OHSK as slug shotguns

[shrewd grove]

Eh it's something for medic that can kill mmg campers that get in the way of my revives

All that matters to me

[wind pendant]

anyone figured out damage dropoff and bullet velocity yet?

[midnight nimbus]

it's not even good at picking campers though

[pale rain]

You run it with irons?

[shrewd grove]

For me it has been

[midnight nimbus]

280 m/s, 330 with upgrade

[fickle spoke]

Is the new gun good?

[wind pendant]

zzz pretty much the same as revolver

[scenic beacon]

wait, is it a primary?

[pale rain]

Yes

[sonic rampart]

I dont die after t bagging

[midnight nimbus]

60 damage max, 2BTK to 30m, 3BTK to 75m, 4BTK afterwards

[fickle spoke]

What class is it for though?

[midnight nimbus]

very similar to slugs

[shrewd grove]

Medic primary

[pale rain]

I tbagged one dude mid match

[scenic beacon]

huh

[wind pendant]

30m thats generous

[pale rain]

But it was because he tried to knife me from behind and I turned on him and and no scoped him with the krag

[midnight nimbus]

not really, 30m is pretty close

[pale rain]

^

[dense bone]

basically, if you are an aggressive medic that can snap headshots, youll do good, otherwise anything else is gonna be better

[midnight nimbus]

that's SMG 5BTK range

if you can snap heads, do it with an SMG

[scenic beacon]

when your longest headshot is 215 m with the mg42, not even a sniper

[wind pendant]

well mg 42 carries sniper rounds bruh

[dense bone]

but carbine has 1hsk

so faster ttk

[midnight nimbus]

I mean dropping someone in like 3 bullets with an SMG is virtually instant too

[dense bone]

sure

[midnight nimbus]

tbf

[dense bone]

but one is faster

[icy sluice]

People really like grind it seems

[wind pendant]

could be grinding for carbine

[dense bone]

and then they all gonna suck using it

[icy sluice]

I am seeing praise from it

[scenic beacon]

grind is noice! anything above knee height gets mowed down by 20 mg42s

[wind pendant]

and i am seeing tears in my game

[icy sluice]

From you?

[wind pendant]

like two of the maps have had some praise but the others are trash

the two being narvik and twisted steel

though i think twisted is shit too

[weak violet]

Which grind maps are good?

Only played on narvik

[scenic beacon]

narvik is nice

devastation is ok

[weak violet]

What about twisted beel

[scenic beacon]

haven't played the rest

[weak violet]

Oof

Wait, you already got the commando carbine?

[scenic beacon]

nah

i want it

but i don't got it yet

[weak violet]

I haven't been able to get it done because I have not done a round of grind

[scenic beacon]

F

[novel spoke]

I got it

[scenic beacon]

noice

[hoary condor]

the last bit of tow is long af

[sonic rampart]

@hoary condor gg, 🎄

[hoary condor]

fucker

[sonic rampart]

Oml..

it hurt itself in its confusion

imagine trying to sleep while having this annoying song in your head

[weak violet]

@hoary condor No cussing in my christian server

[hoary condor]

the last one for tow is never ending

is it worth the gun?

time

[sonic rampart]

I just got it

You bc have to stand still next to your teamm8s

[weak violet]

@hoary condor What is the last challenge for TOW??

[sonic rampart]

And spam the bandages

[weak violet]

That is easy

[hoary condor]

heal teamates or damage enemies for 7,500 health on grind

i spam health out ...

[weak violet]

That is so fucking easy

7,500 damage or 7,500 heals

[hoary condor]

mg34

[dense bone]

can you split the dmg and health for a total?

[tame bridge]

Nah

[weak violet]

SO just kill 75 enemies

Or save 75 allies

[sonic rampart]

Or just heal a lot of players

[tame bridge]

Healing is easier

[weak violet]

Pick your poison

[dense bone]

im at 200 dmg per min

[tame bridge]

Stay bacl, throw smokes and bands

[dense bone]

thats 37 minutes of gameplay...

and im top 1% for dps...

lol wtf that challenge is dumb

wait, is it a total

or in a single round?

[tame bridge]

Totl

[dense bone]

ok nvm

[tame bridge]

Total

[dense bone]

i thought it was a single round

[tame bridge]

Nah it would be crazy

[weak violet]

If It was a single total round

It would be combined

and even then still a shit idea

But Its dice they would do that lamo

[dense bone]

just look at slr gold masteries

[weak violet]

What are they?

[dense bone]

get 10 headshot kill in obj in 1 life or 20 headshot kills in obj in 1 round

[weak violet]

Because if it was hipfire kills I would be dead

10 headshots in an obj in 1 life

How the fuck are you gonna do that

[dense bone]

these are guns that are 2btk to head or body, so the whole time you use them, you shoot at body

its the only assignment i cant get done

and ive gotten almost every other assignment done in a single round

[sonic rampart]

1 round?

[dense bone]

yep

[weak violet]

Fucking 1 round

[sonic rampart]

5000 bullets

[tame bridge]

Easy

[weak violet]

Getting 60 objective attack kills took me 5 fucking attacking operations to do

wtf

[gray glade]

5000 bullets is nothing lol

[sonic rampart]

Melee for 1500

[dense bone]

if ANYONE has an rsc or model 8 fully gold and did it through mp i want to shake their hand

[gray glade]

i have over 212 000 bullets fired with mg42 alone

[hoary condor]

[weak violet]

I did 3 challenges on the MP28 in the CA mode

[sonic rampart]

Im gonna run with an axe in grind tmrw

[weak violet]

10 kills in 1 life is cancer

[tame bridge]

I ha ve canis horriblis set, wnna shake my hand?

[sonic rampart]

gets shot by mmg fire

[weak violet]

No

[hoary condor]

i saw @sonic rampart do the 5k bullets

[dense bone]

idk what canis horriblis is

[sonic rampart]

I shot at enemies I swear

[tame bridge]

Best skin in game

[shrewd grove]

Somehow I did the 5 kills in one life with the default commando awhile ago

[sonic rampart]

continues shooting in the sky

[weak violet]

@sonic rampart There are idiots in my team that shoot at there allies

@shrewd grove How did you finish so quickly wtf???

[hoary condor]

at spawn

[tame bridge]

V1

5 kills easy

[dense bone]

you shoot people without dying

[shrewd grove]

I finished getting the commando like 3 hours ago

[weak violet]

@dense bone Duh, I totally didn't think of that

[sonic rampart]

I just got the commando

It has a new skin thing

[hoary condor]

time

[dense bone]

its what you do

[sonic rampart]

[tame bridge]

Is it any good?

[hoary condor]

yeah

[weak violet]

It is just as help as git gud

[shrewd grove]

I use the Liberte skin

[dense bone]

but its the truth

[weak violet]

I do any challenges that I can in CA

Just because I am a lazy fuck

[sonic rampart]

Im too lazy

[dense bone]

i hate you for that

[sonic rampart]

To do that in CA

[dense bone]

youre both dead to me

[sonic rampart]

I did everything in mp

[weak violet]

@dense bone Assuming I was living at all xddd

[shrewd grove]

I cant do ToW stuff in CA anymore it won't let me

[sonic rampart]

Why me

!jumbo

[dense bone]

oops sorry tav

i thought you said you do it too

[sonic rampart]

[dense bone]

ok, only trvor is dead to me

[weak violet]

Smh blocked

[dense bone]

good

you made me play CA too

[weak violet]

@dense bone Yeah twice

[dense bone]

[weak violet]

Your just as dead as me

[sonic rampart]

[dense bone]

I PLAYED CA FOR YOU

YOU

[sonic rampart]

You were the chosen one @dense bone

[weak violet]

YOU PLAYED CA YOUR DEAD TO ME

[sonic rampart]

You were supposed to destroy them, not Join them!

[dense bone]

[sonic rampart]

[weak violet]

How could you do this Nyphon

[dense bone]

orange, green, or blue

[sonic rampart]

Blue

[weak violet]

I thought you were better then that lamo

[sonic rampart]

Because

Im blue dabedi dabediee

[dense bone]

you picked the blue colored gum

[languid hound]

dabiedie dabadaaaa

[dusky saffron]

Did the armory update yet

[sonic rampart]

Dabedi dabediee dabedi dabedie

[weak violet]

Nani?

[dusky saffron]

Yes or no

[sonic rampart]

Yes

[weak violet]

Yesn”t

[sonic rampart]

Atleast

well Yes.. actually no

[dusky saffron]

So it's not just 2 outfits anymore

[sonic rampart]

uhm

It is

[dusky saffron]

Also bad meme, it's "good guess but actually no"

[sonic rampart]

With the inferno

[dusky saffron]

Yikes

[sonic rampart]

its not good guess but no

Its Well yes.. actually no

[dusky saffron]

Forgot the actually

[dusky saffron]

Watch the clip and tell me that again

[sonic rampart]

Just noticed #battlefield-legacy-titles

[dusky saffron]

:^)

[sonic rampart]

👀

runs

[wind pendant]

so disappointed in this squad, clan tag and all

but they sucked

hard

[sonic rampart]

dies while running by mmg spam

[languid hound]

deal with it

[raw pelican]

[solid hinge]

ca will be the way forward

[scenic beacon]

🇨🇦

[shrewd basalt]

actually kinda enjoy the new grind mode. gives a purpose to suppression spotting. makes playing easy with an impaired thumb too

[dense bone]

2 kills

[hoary condor]

but who won

[dense bone]

you

i just want to play

[gray glade]

Messerschmitt Me. 163B, when dice?

[dense bone]

what is that?

[gray glade]

i wanna go 1000 km/h and zoom across the map

the german rocket interceptor

the only rocket powered fighter ever

[dense bone]

#streams-and-videos @crisp fulcrum

[weak marsh]

But why i can't send images here ?

[dense bone]

only trusted and above can post images

if it falls under the general rules and the pinned rules you can post in #screenshots-and-clips

[weak marsh]

Oh i see

Is a datamined image

[dense bone]

if thats the case you can post a link at least, or dm me the image and i can post it for you

[dense bone]

wooooow you would

[shrewd grove]

Lmao

[hoary condor]

Firestorm time

[tame bridge]

Total kills 2

Lmao pathetic

[north hazel]

Wait, does it say squid eye on his PS4 controller

[dense bone]

yes

[tame bridge]

Real players have like 6+ kills after victory

[north hazel]

Wow, that's as it I wrote in glow in the dark ink I have a big dick on my Xbox controller

One track you sound like a real bitch right now. The person your talking too doesn't even exist

[tame bridge]

I dont caee

Care

[dense bone]

wtf is going on...

[north hazel]

I don't know

[dense bone]

lets refrain from insults though

[north hazel]

Yes, I'm sticking to facts Yes, let us be gentlemanly about this.

[solemn wedge]

[north hazel]

Hello

[solemn wedge]

Hai

[north hazel]

I'm going to be honest I can't tell if your name is a sex or masturbation joke.

It would be handy to know so I can properly tell whomst've is judging me.

[solemn wedge]

It is a name of a music album

[north hazel]

Plot twist indeed

[tame bridge]

It's how long it takes to warm up Hot Pockets you perv

[solemn wedge]

I don't get that image of the firestorm screen

What does it have special?

[shrewd grove]

The front of the controller

Light bar or whatever its called

[solemn wedge]

The one in game announcements

It has sad reactions

[tame bridge]

He got only 2 kills with this controller though

[strong parrot]

lmao, is this a prank?

or is someone actually this dumb

[dense bone]

eww, 1 minute hot pockets would be cold and disgusting

[north hazel]

Well ya it's a plastic controller, Xbox controllers have much more weight

[shrewd grove]

Why do the kills matter

[north hazel]

I know Nyphon

[shrewd grove]

He still won

[north hazel]

It's like, jeez, the middle isn't even warm

[strong parrot]

because winning isnt the objective in a br!

[dense bone]

its not my objective

im killing fools

youre all dead

[shrewd grove]

You're right I forgot more kills = more skill

[dense bone]

except for the last 5 people

[strong parrot]

exactly

[dense bone]

they will probably kill me since they have more armor

[north hazel]

Nah it's hidding in a corner like a little bitch until there are only two guys, and then ending up somehow from being on the edge to being stuck between a sniper and a mg42

[weak marsh]

Thanks

[dense bone]

youre welcome?

[tame bridge]

Find hevy armor and camp for the rest of the game

Sounds fun

[strong parrot]

Its 👏 a 👏 win 👏 all 👏 that 👏 matters 👏

[dense bone]

basically you want to scavange/kill to decent gear, then hold on to armor late game and get the last kills

[tame bridge]

I wanna get all the kills I can get

[north hazel]

Ya know I've had five guys near end game all in a tiny ring and three of them had airstrikes

[dense bone]

im trying to fight the whole time, and youre just gonna end up with no armor and lose a fight to someone else

[strong parrot]

Meaningless kills

[shrewd grove]

But if you don't and you win it doesn't change much

[north hazel]

What really matters

Is melee kills

[dense bone]

[strong parrot]

Is there some XP system in FS I dont know about where getting more kills=faster progression

[tame bridge]

Idk, quite cringe to win with 1-2 kills

[shrewd grove]

lmao

[strong parrot]

Win with 0 kills is still a win kiddo

[north hazel]

🗡 🗡 🗡 🗡

[dense bone]

more kills do equal more xp though

[tame bridge]

Yeh

[dense bone]

not the best example

[shrewd grove]

+100 XP

[dense bone]

its a difference

[haughty pawn]

flare gun camping beside a ammo crate

[dense bone]

just saying.. more kills is more xp which is faster progression

[haughty pawn]

0:0 nr.1

[tame bridge]

Nymph is right

[north hazel]

I don't know what to say

Except well...

What if we just threw tank mines and shot them

[haughty pawn]

not really if you want tow xp,it's capped at like 9k ?

[shrewd grove]

Regardless the win is gonna net you more XP than a few kills and dying part way through

[haughty pawn]

you can have 50k normal,still only get 9k tow

[north hazel]

But that isn't fun

And leaves you to die to a sniper

[dense bone]

well, depends how much a win is worth

[tame bridge]

Nothing

[dense bone]

there has to be xp for a win

[shrewd grove]

I'm not talking about what's fun, I just don't think it's as pathetic just because he doesn't get many kills

[north hazel]

My god

We are talking about kills

Sigh

[shrewd grove]

For some reason that's what it always is with FPS games

[north hazel]

No no, we are debating about a guy with two kills and a win who isn't here

[shrewd grove]

Tell that to the one who started calling someone pathetic over it

[north hazel]

I know

[shrewd grove]

[north hazel]

I called him a bitch

[dense bone]

the win is what matters, but as long as its not ranked or for money, im gonna go for the win while trying to kill everyone, because thats fun to me

[shrewd grove]

That's fine

[north hazel]

I find it fun to rush the guy in a sturmtigger

[shrewd grove]

My point is just stop insulting each other over something so trivial

Ez

[north hazel]

I know

I mean, the guy who we are talking about isn't even here

And it's almost like firestorm isn't the only damn mode of we are questioning skill

[shrewd grove]

Firestorm is mostly luck so

[north hazel]

Exactly

[dense bone]

as long as im not including in that insulting others scenario idc

[north hazel]

But you don't need luck to knife fight a guy with a panzerfast

[dense bone]

and FS isnt mostly luck

[north hazel]

ah yes so it takes skill to find randomly generated loot

[strong parrot]

nah FS is 100% skill no rng involved

[dense bone]

theres a factor of luck

[north hazel]

and it takes even more skill to fight only one person at a time

[dense bone]

but definitely not mostly luck

most by definition is over 50%

[north hazel]

It's... A solid 99.999%

[dense bone]

and there are people that go for wins by any means necessary

and they get around 70% win

good win percentages for it being lucky

/s

[north hazel]

Ya, cause it takes less luck when you can expand your loot pool by expanding the hole in your enemies head

[dense bone]

youre skill and knowledge still determine the biggest chances of winning

[twilit pelican]

Im going to sleep

[north hazel]

Think I might sleep too, suns still out tho

[dense bone]

just rough numbers to make a point, something like base mp is 90% skill/knowledge and lets just say 5% luck with whatever remaining going to what else

[north hazel]

Eh whatever

[dense bone]

in BRs its like 70% skill/knowledge and 25% luck

with 5% remaining for whatever else

[twilit pelican]

No its 100% good genes

[north hazel]

Is the missing 5% the twenty other people who close in on your position afterward

My Lord, he's right

[dense bone]

last 5% is whatever else you can think of that makes up your chances of winning that is outside of luck/skill/knowledge

[twilit pelican]

My friend kicking my shin

[north hazel]

Debris damage.

[dense bone]

i think most everything falls under those 3 but assume theres something else

so i accounted for that

[north hazel]

I don't think he's realized that he is indeed calculating properly, but his target audience is d e a d

[dense bone]

yes luck is a factor in BR, but it doesnt outweigh your skill/knowledge

that would be closer to gambling

[north hazel]

Drop it

That is what I'm saying

The shits left to give, dun shit out sun

[dense bone]

ehh

[solid hinge]

[twilit pelican]

@dense bone in squads i left to use the bathroom and get food i came back to a W

[dense bone]

no other convos going on

lol thats a nice surprise

[solid hinge]

the 5% is how hard your team can carry while you pee

[twilit pelican]

Yes

[dense bone]

yeaa but that can fall under luck

[twilit pelican]

I wish shitbuckets were real

[dense bone]

...

i thought you were going to bed

[north hazel]

They are

[twilit pelican]

Im in bed

[north hazel]

But we no longer have road gutters

I'm also in bed

[twilit pelican]

Member when the colonel from battlefield friends reminisced about his shitbucket i think he wanted to bring those back

[strong parrot]

lmao just lost my first grind twisted steel... 0-149

what a colossally stupid team this was

loses the fucking back cap at the start of the round

[coarse wedge]

hey do anybody want to squad up with me and play combined arms

dm me

[dense bone]

!lfg

[junior mist]

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Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[shrewd basalt]

32 suppression assists in grind

some of the fastest level grinding for my support kit lmao

[strong parrot]

lmao ok...fucking grind is an absolute joke because your team can just be full on morons

[shrewd basalt]

yeah

[strong parrot]

and no arty strikes so you cant even make a comeback with points

[shrewd basalt]

great for being an MMG gunner tho

[strong parrot]

morons on rotter are LOSING our only point

because ...apparently its too hard to fucking kill them

[shrewd basalt]

rotter and that one with the church suck imo

[strong parrot]

i only have 16 kills...next highest on the team is like 5...

[dense bone]

game mode seems like its gonna be 90% steam rolls

[shrewd basalt]

ive had somewhere between 30% rolling through to enemy base on one side or the other and the rest being back and forth

occasionally sitting on A or C

[vital ibex]

Bf 5 is gggggarbo

[native mural]

No u

[dense bone]

i like bfv

firestorm duo is some of the most fun ive had in a BR

[strong parrot]

quick ill go to a server dedicated to all things battlefield and say its trash

[soft storm]

This was the first week in the chapter that ive completed everything

[shrewd basalt]

it's one of only three im interested in myslf. a suppressed weapon especially one as cool as the de lisle and another MG and a pistol carbine later one

only thing to hope for is a welrod to pair up with the de lisle. both ultra dedicated suppressed weapons designed to be as quiet as practically possible

[shrewd grove]

Welrod was leaked forever ago iirc

I'm excited for the LS/26 next week

I want a new lmg

[sleek schooner]

im slightly confused, recon rifle has bad drop compared to bf1?

[midnight nimbus]

same drop values

even better with upgrades

just worse velocity

wait BF1 might have even more drop

[shrewd basalt]

the bullets have gotten faster with each game. its kinda point and click now imo

which isnt bad but i would like further ranges being more accessible to kinda go with it

or at least they feel like they get faster each game

[solid hinge]

Was playing on Arras and found a spinning Purple checker board debug missing texture thing in the Barn at “A” Flag

[midnight nimbus]

irl bullet velocity is nice

muh leading is skill was kind of a bad meme

and there's drag now too, so bullet velocity is slower than before at range

[shrewd grove]

I agree with the leading thing

[midnight nimbus]

excessive leading and drop compensation adds nothing to gunplay

[shrewd basalt]

adds skill?

[midnight nimbus]

I wouldn't equate muscle memory and learning curve with skill

same reason why I think BFV's increased recoil is unnecessary

there's rewarding skill, and there's decreasing accessibility

I think excessive leading/drop/vertical recoil falls into the latter

[mystic wolf]

.>

STRONG DISAGREE

[midnight nimbus]

if a mechanic that rewards skill, it needs to actively do so at all levels

[shrewd basalt]

so making things into point/click increases skill?

[midnight nimbus]

there's much much more to skill in FPS than gun handling

gun handling is the shallowest form of "skill"

[shrewd basalt]

not arguing that

there is more to it

but it feels silly how point and click things have gotten over the years

[midnight nimbus]

i'd sacrifice some depth in "gun handling skill" for a more accessible game that brings in more new players and keeps them

no, things have become much much less point and click

BF has continously added more recoil throughout the series

[shrewd basalt]

recoil is a bit less relevant compared to velocity/curve imo

i can put up with recoil even some stupid amounts of it if i can make hits to begin with

this is assuming some range tho

in close range recoil most times makes minimal difference as does velocity

[midnight nimbus]

I think the new system with high velocity + drag is much better

makes gunplay within your gun's intended range much more consistent

while making it less consistent than before outside of this range

play BF4. midrange sniping isn't as easy, but going for stupid 200+m picks is easier

[coral fiber]

Ok i like grind but the tickets need an increase

[dense bone]

2 rounds into grind, its cancer

granted, the enemy team has 2 squads of clan members

[coral fiber]

Lmao

Loved op locker so meh

I like chaos

I look forward to losing my sanity to grind

[mystic wolf]

tbh @midnight nimbus pretty much all my skill is in positioning and tactics coz I suck balls at handling recoil

but yeah I feel like youre saying some kinds of skill count and some dont, as skill

[solid hinge]

that's why I like console

if I get behind them it takes like half a second to turn around

[mystic wolf]

huehehue

[solid hinge]

so I can usually kill them even if I suck at aiming

[coral fiber]

Oof

[mystic wolf]

whenever someone on reddit says aiming is easier with a gamepad something in my brain wants to scream

also my sister's bf said he would be able to beat me at an FPS if he used a gamepad and i used mouse kb

he was extremely confident of this

im not a pro gamer but I do alright, occasionally top scores if no pro fuckers are around, so im sure it would have been carnage

pc master race etc.

[midnight nimbus]

I think there's an overemphasis on minutia in FPS like recoil control

it's overly transferable as a "skill"

[mystic wolf]

i think thres an overemphasis on minutia like ur dick

JOKES

[midnight nimbus]

that's why CoD 4 and BF3 became juggernauts

and Apex

etc.

[mystic wolf]

what do you mean by transferrable?

[midnight nimbus]

like if you're good at controlling recoil in one game, you can do it in pretty much any game

[mystic wolf]

ah

[midnight nimbus]

low recoil makes the game easy to enter into for new players

but doesn't detract from high level play

[mystic wolf]

I don't know I dont feel like there's that much emphasis on recoil control.. I kind of see it as "skill sugar", it's a little extra thing that will make you better if you put effort into it, but there are more important things that you will be more gains out of if you focus on them first

[midnight nimbus]

exactly

which is why I argue that adding more and more recoil doesn't add anything to the game

[mystic wolf]

well, it adds skill sugar :p

[midnight nimbus]

for a decent player, the SAR recoil changes did nothing to make them any less ridiculously good

[mystic wolf]

I dunno like I said I'm not that good at managing recoil so I try to avoid high recoil weapons

[midnight nimbus]

I'm hardly a recoil control god, and I have no problems with them

i'd rather have lower recoil across the board

[mystic wolf]

hmmmmmmm

[solid hinge]

what about no recoil

cough bolts cough

[mystic wolf]

KE7 meta take two

[solid hinge]

Not that kind

[midnight nimbus]

KE7 meta was the most overhyped thing

it's a starter gun

[mystic wolf]

it was so crazy when prone with bipod though

goddamn laser

[midnight nimbus]

ofc everyone's gonna scream that they get killed by it all the time

it really wasn't that abnormally good

[solid hinge]

it was very fast for an lmg starter

sten is notably slower

[midnight nimbus]

Sten is 540 RPM

[mystic wolf]

anyway I think it goes without saying that high recoil means higher skill ceiling for a weapon yeah?

[midnight nimbus]

KE7 is 568/635, depending on the specs

I don't think high recoil necessarily means higher skill ceiling

[solid hinge]

I think default ke7 had fast rpm

[mystic wolf]

how's that work

[midnight nimbus]

high skill ceiling guns are punishing of bad use

see: BF1 AL8 35

[mystic wolf]

higher vertical recoil translates to having to adjust your aim more while staying on target

[midnight nimbus]

higher vertical recoil doesn't make it a limiting gun though

[mystic wolf]

higher horizontal recoil means Fuuuuuccccccccccccc

what is a 'limiting gun'

[solid hinge]

just drag sideways

[mystic wolf]

D:

[midnight nimbus]

one that's bad if you don't manage it well, but very good if you manage it well

see: BF1 AL8 35

[strong parrot]

tldr if you aim you hit target

[mystic wolf]

I see recoil as doing that

[midnight nimbus]

you can nuke people if you can aim well, but not only do you have to aim well, you have to actively manage your reloads because of the small mag

there's nothing active about high recoil

[strong parrot]

and also make sure your aim sens is in the negatives so you can counteract recoil perfectly every time

[mystic wolf]

what do you mean by active

[midnight nimbus]

i'd hardly consider the BFH AKM a skilled gun

[mystic wolf]

like when I use FG42 with 3x I have to very actively push against recoil :P

[midnight nimbus]

you have to consider your scenario every time to reload

you control recoil the same way every time your gun fires

[mystic wolf]

🤔

sure but not by the same amount

[midnight nimbus]

you control recoil by the same amount, every time

[mystic wolf]

what

[midnight nimbus]

there's a certain level of randomness to recoil, but none you can humanly account for

[mystic wolf]

isnt that tantamount to saying all guns have the same recoil?

[midnight nimbus]

if you use the FG42, the FG42 recoils effectively the same way every time you shoot it

[mystic wolf]

yeah I know

[midnight nimbus]

there's pretty little mastery in recoil tbh

[mystic wolf]

at least, for the first 4-5 shots or whatever it was DICE said

I'm not even sure what your case is anymore :3

besides a general idea that recoil should be lower

[midnight nimbus]

recoil should be lower because higher recoil adds nothing to either lower or higher level play

higher recoil really just serves to gate off new players

[mystic wolf]

doesnt it follow that those guns whose recoil are high enough to gate new players are so because those guns require more skill to control the recoil of?

surely it goes without saying that it is easier to aim a low recoil weapon

[midnight nimbus]

high skill ceiling guns aren't balanced off recoil though

bc if they're solely balanced off ease of recoil, once you hit a certain level of proficiency with recoil control, there's no reason to use anything else

[novel spoke]

Can you do the 5 de lisle kills and double made kill in CA?

nade

[mystic wolf]

@midnight nimbus i dont think anything is solely balanced off recoil

[midnight nimbus]

being able to pull on a mouse does not make a good player

[mystic wolf]

but thats literally what aim is

[midnight nimbus]

i'd rather have a game that is very easy for new players to get introduced to

the FPS games with the highest levels of play don't have a heavy emphasis on recoil

aside from arguably CS, but even that's not excessive

[mystic wolf]

the ones that are popular in esports dont seem to anyway

[midnight nimbus]

because as I said, recoil is a static skill

how you manage it in every scenario is the same

[mystic wolf]

what is a static skill

[midnight nimbus]

not very "skillful"

[mystic wolf]

oh

if your main gripes are that it gates new players, there are other weapons that new players ca use that have less recoil

recoil management clearly requires some skill because it makes aiming more difficult

the most clear contrast that comes to mind is the comparison between MG34 and MG42 full auto

[tired kite]

im considering buying battlefield 5 on pc is the playerbase still existent? unlike battlefield 1 where there is sometimes at most 50 players

[mystic wolf]

it is quite extant

even for me, an aussie player

[midnight nimbus]

guns serve very different roles, even outside of vertical recoil

[mystic wolf]

ye yea I know

[tired kite]

so if i quick play will i find a match somewhat fast? because i have bf1 and ive left it for hours and not found one

[midnight nimbus]

I wouldn't want to gate players out of playing a necessary role bc of recoil

[mystic wolf]

but whatIm saying is that the issue of accessibility doesn't hold up

I dont even see how reducing recoil necessarily would make the game better generally beyond making longer range engagements easier

[tired kite]

anyone here on pc in NA? wanna know how matchmaking is cuz bf1 is dead

[mystic wolf]

@tired kite youre better off using the 'advanced search' option and checking out the server listing

unless playing firestorm

[tired kite]

so is the playerbase somewhat dead then?

[mystic wolf]

not at all

its just that matchmaking sucks :p

[tired kite]

so nothing like bf 1?

[mystic wolf]

i never played bf1 sorry i cant comment on that

[shrewd grove]

It's not as bad as BF1 population wise

[mystic wolf]

the matchmaing thing is esp true for australians because almost all our servers are usually running conquest, so if you try to matchmake for another mode youll probably get nothing

[shrewd grove]

It's just the matchmaking system sucks

[tired kite]

but will i always be able to play tho? bf1 you can only play at peak times

[mystic wolf]

you just end up waiting 2-3 minutes then get plonked into an empty server as an Aussie if oyu pick breakthrough or something

@tired kite in NA? definitely

[shrewd grove]

^

I answered you in #general

[mystic wolf]

is it just me or does this person have no username or alias btw

[shrewd grove]

It's something a lot of people do

[tired kite]

is the deluxe version worth it?

$10 extra

[shrewd grove]

Probs not

[tired kite]

does it include more maps or gamemodes?

[shrewd grove]

I wouldn't know tho, I dont have deluxe

No lol

Just skins

[tired kite]

oh then no

[mystic wolf]

dont get deluxe

ppl complain constantly that it was a ripoff lol

coz the cosmetics were apparently meh

[wind pendant]

what are you talking about

[solid hinge]

good parts were the few uniforms you get to pick

[wind pendant]

having a drop every week was awesome

[solid hinge]

bad parts was everything else

[wind pendant]

like getting that 10/10 skin per weapon piece

once a week

[mystic wolf]

I guess I got my view from reddit

[wind pendant]

[mystic wolf]

people who were happy were probably silent

[wind pendant]

nah man it was shit

[mystic wolf]

im tryin to use reddit less tbh

oh lol

like if you look at the subreddit you get the impression that the game is terrible and everything is fire and chaos and death and puppies and kittens melt in hellfire every time you play BFV

whereas in actuality the game is 👌

[soft storm]

Yeah I actually had some real fun today

Possibly because I wasn’t forced to play firestorm

[sacred junco]

not really liking the KE7

jumps a bit too much for me and 25 is a very awkward mag count

[dense bone]

that dmg grind is real

wtf

[sacred junco]

might as well use the Bren or Lewis

the reload animation is slow too

[dense bone]

im using lewis

took like 4 games to get to the dmg one, and now its been like 3 games doing just dmg, and im only 2/3 done

[solid hinge]

ke7 is probably worst lmg

[mystic wolf]

lewis gun is the real MMG

dakka dakka dakka dakka

[amber notch]

@solid hinge ke7 is terrible

[solid hinge]

Lewis is best mmg cause it has a damn 3x sight

@amber notch I know! It has no bayonet

[mystic wolf]

also no heat

[shrewd basalt]

the lewis may have a clever air colling thing but it fels a bit silly to shoot 97 in a row with no overheat

[mystic wolf]

i dont understand how those heat things work

like around the MG42 barrel

that metal thing with the holes

like by what mechanism they disperse heat

[shrewd basalt]

its nothing clever. it is just a metal guard so you can grab around the barrel without burning yourself

and it has holes to allow ventilation

the lewis though is very clever

[mystic wolf]

oh

[shrewd basalt]

each shot forces air through what is essentially a massive heatsing built into the barrel

uses the venturi effect

i dont know of any other weapon that does that

already fired 40k shots so far playing this grind mode.

perfect for suppression spottin

[mystic wolf]

i like spraing MG42 all over the place to spot ppl

although getting sniped in the head part isnt so fun

[timber flint]

i need 4 more for BF 1 SQUAD 1 OR BF V squad 15

[midnight nimbus]

Bren is a better turret than the MMGs

cmv

[solid hinge]

!lfg

[junior mist]

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Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[lilac crag]

I love grind

[solid hinge]

I give this new gametype a 10/10 for being the most innovative clusterfuck

It’s actually fucking hilarious

[mystic wolf]

@midnight nimbus MG34 good tho

[midnight nimbus]

meh

no 3x

can't 150m spray people as effectively

[lilac crag]

its like you're in an actual battlefield

[shrewd basalt]

i spray people out to 300m fairly well with my MMG's

the point is to suppress and spot them killing is secondary

just soften them up for those who are close to them

[lilac crag]

what would you need 3x on grind for

[solid hinge]

I just spent an entire match going 21-3 with only grenades, grenade launchers, and piats

Jesus Christ Twisted Steel is great

[midnight nimbus]

Bren spraying kills faster than MMG spraying though

[patent kiln]

twisted steel grind is amazing

especially the golden eye passage downstairs

[midnight nimbus]

Bren is superior to MMGs at doing long range bipod stuff

[solid hinge]

Twisted Steel is the only good map for Grind. Narvik can be a sniper fest, Rotterdam is open air Metro with underground, Devastation is just a small Tsaritsyn

[lilac crag]

so then use the bren

[patent kiln]

ye i also think twisted st eel is the only good one and narvik kinda depending on teams

[rocky verge]

Well the new rewards after the LMG next week seems to be a new grenade launcher and the Po8 carbine

[solid hinge]

Carcano with grenade launcher

[rocky verge]

Italian explosives pizza luncher

[solid hinge]

There may be a new unique animation for the carcano

At least we have 4 weeks of weapon rewards

[untold cliff]

holy shit

the skins on the silenced rifle are beautiful

i nut

back to game now

[analog mist]

I am enjoying the commando, surprisingly.

[shrewd basalt]

there is only one? the de lisle?

[analog mist]

Once you get the hang of it it's not so bad.

[untold cliff]

Im gonna practice it in combined arms on hard before i start capping skulls

idk if its a 1 tap tho

Is it?

[analog mist]

Within like 30m

It's an acquired taste for sure

[midnight nimbus]

the Tromboncino grenade only weighs 160 grams lol

DICE really loves to give us bad explosives, don't they

[shrewd basalt]

im hoping that knee mortar comes around

would be fun

[analog mist]

With the amount used in fights that doesn't really matter

Does it?

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, it kinda does

[muted socket]

anyone else on pc getting the 3 rectangles on their screens consistently?

[sinful tusk]

I have some serious rubber banding in Xbox

It’s unbearable

[muted socket]

rubber banding?

[shrewd basalt]

shitty ping

basically

[muted socket]

is that a common term? never heard that before

[sinful tusk]

My ping says it’s good though ;-;

[solid hinge]

Yeah

[shrewd basalt]

mine should hover between 50-70 for west us servers but it often jumps to 500-700 fo rno fuckin reason