battlefield-legacy-titles

[pale rain]

What was bf4 tank ammo like?

Can’t remember

Did it just take time to come back?

[hoary condor]

think it just reloaded slowly

[solid hinge]

I'm getting fucked up by snipers on FJELL

[hoary condor]

had a small loading type bar

[midnight nimbus]

1+4 rounds

I forget the regen rate

[hoary condor]

Fjell.. i stand back and shoot PIATs over the mountains haha

[midnight nimbus]

but you can't waste those 5 rounds

[pale rain]

Ohh yeah I remember now

[midnight nimbus]

or you'll get cucked in the short run

[solid hinge]

You can climb surprisingly high on fjell

[pale rain]

Never was a tanker

[midnight nimbus]

in BFV, you get like 30 rounds in a medium tank off the bat

[pale rain]

Strictly infantry

[midnight nimbus]

more than you can reasonably use in the short run

but it cucks you in the long run

[quiet ingot]

Bf4 is literally just infinite ammo

[silk wyvern]

is duos in the game yet or nah

[quiet ingot]

Everyone camped in bf4

[midnight nimbus]

you can waste ammo on infy and shit and still have enough to not lose a tank battle in BFV

wat

[silk wyvern]

firestorm duos

[midnight nimbus]

BF3/4 were the peak of aggressive tanks

[silk wyvern]

teams of two

[pale rain]

Bf4 was my favorite battlefield

@silk wyvern not yet

[hoary condor]

i use APR on infi

[scenic beacon]

Mine was 3

[silk wyvern]

thanks bro

i'll check back next week lol

[pale rain]

Guess what my best weapon was

[midnight nimbus]

remember when you could tank sprint

[silk wyvern]

sorry for the interruption of ur convo 👌

[midnight nimbus]

and actually play aggressively in tanks

[solid hinge]

you could what

[pale rain]

In bf4

[silk wyvern]

tanks had a boost

[midnight nimbus]

you had tank sprint

[silk wyvern]

if you pressed sprint

[pale rain]

What

[midnight nimbus]

40 kmh base

56 kmh sprint

[pale rain]

Didn’t even know that

[solid hinge]

holy shit

tank niteo

[midnight nimbus]

I mean tanks irl can get pretty fast

just not for a sustained amount of time

[scenic beacon]

wait what

[silk wyvern]

*teleports behind you in a M1 abrahms *

nothing personell kid

[scenic beacon]

OMAE WA MOU SHINDEIRU

[silk wyvern]

NANI

[midnight nimbus]

I think the T90 was better than the Abrams in BF4 though

smaller and faster

same health and damage output

they should let the Staghound get up to its irl 90 kmh max speed

and give it its irl variant with the QF 6pdr

and its 75mm Howitzer

[scenic beacon]

Give us the kv-2 lmao

[pale rain]

What was everyone’s favorite weapon from bf4?

[scenic beacon]

Icicle

[midnight nimbus]

frag semi shotgun

Saiga 12 or DBV-12 👌

[pale rain]

Nice

I got kicked from a lot of servers for using shotguns..

My favorite was the Mk11 Mod 0

[midnight nimbus]

I liked to sit in the scout heli seat and rep monkey

[pale rain]

OH NO

[scenic beacon]

I got kicked for knifing a lot

[midnight nimbus]

and spray infy on the ground with the frag shotgun

[hoary condor]

wonders of console lol

can't get kicked when you are playing well

[midnight nimbus]

I wasn't even that amazing at BF4 but I'm banned from too many good populated servers

feels bad

[solid hinge]

No one rages in chat because there is none

[hoary condor]

true

[trim token]

Hey

[sonic rampart]

[hoary condor]

hey Hans

[solid hinge]

I wonder

[scenic beacon]

wonders

[solid hinge]

why did BF2 or any of the other modern BF games not have any driveable battleships?

I know BF2's reason was because of engine limitations

What gamemode should I play

Is it because naval combat in the modern day makes no sense or something

[hoary condor]

driveable battleships... Titanic

[dense bone]

probably not worth the effort of making it

[solid hinge]

That sucks

[dense bone]

while cool sounding, who really wants to do that?

[solid hinge]

I mean

it's a large scale game

[hoary condor]

battleships on wouldn't work well for me

there isn't a map with water that it would work

[dense bone]

just doesnt seem worth the dev time/cost to me

[solid hinge]

Never really liked that sort of thinking tbh but I can see what you mean

[dense bone]

which if that was the case, seems to be true since i dont see anyone complain about it

[solid hinge]

Because if people say it's not worth the dev time then why have a number of other features in the game

id love it

[hoary condor]

Arras for driveable tractors

[dense bone]

im only assuming thats why its not in game

[scenic beacon]

GET OUTTA MY FIELDS YA DAMN TEENAGERS

[solid hinge]

i still go play bf1942 fot the BBs

[hoary condor]

thinking of the rick and morty sketch

[solid hinge]

well yeah

but if DICE really thinks like that then they're lazy

and that's not a good sign

[hoary condor]

not really, far from lazy

[viral badger]

woah woah

dont fight guys

keep it ❤

[solid hinge]

well it kinda is in BF1

[versed notch]

Why is it each time I look at your avatar Tuaam it's a form of todd howard

[trim token]

Dice? Battlefield V? Lazy? Hotel?
Trivago.

[versed notch]

It's a demonic being now

[solid hinge]

you mean

godd howard

actually that's his female counterpart

[charred heron]

[solid hinge]

only thing you cant do in BF1 is drive and shoot at the same time

don't ask where I got it from

[hoary condor]

i feel they should do "A day in the life of" just to show much work goes into gaming, most think it's a simple few clicks of a button.

[scenic beacon]

ports skyrim to the afterlife

u wot

[versed notch]

Only bought Skyrim exactly once

[viral badger]

@solid hinge is that todd howard as a female

[solid hinge]

yes

[scenic beacon]

I bought it like 5 times

lmao

[viral badger]

@versed notch i cracked it

[versed notch]

Banned

[hoary condor]

🔨

[scenic beacon]

🔨

[viral badger]

imagine buying skyrim and supporting BETHESDA

[versed notch]

Bugthesda

[hoary condor]

getting off topic here

[sonic rampart]

Guys..

[solid hinge]

But yeah it's a shame we don't have these sorts of features

[sonic rampart]

Dance moves in firestorm is confirmed!

[viral badger]

m30 drilling OP prove me wrong

[versed notch]

Lmao

[solid hinge]

to me, Battlefield is supposed to simulate all aspects of war in a sense

[sonic rampart]

Jk lmao

But imagine

[versed notch]

Imagin Default Dance in Firestorm

[hoary condor]

no..

don't bring forknite over

[versed notch]

Lmao

[viral badger]

guys

look i just knifed someone in firestorm

lemme DEFAULT DANCE

btw quick fact

did you guys know

that the bf4 dlc that brought back all bf3 maps was called

FIRESTORM?

yea, me neither

[solid hinge]

...

[hoary condor]

default dance and let me sniper you

[solid hinge]

Oh my god this medic just flanked and wiped out my whole team

[viral badger]

@solid hinge what weapon

[solid hinge]

Sten...

[viral badger]

jesus

[scenic beacon]

yall gotta run bayonet mp34

[hoary condor]

yeah that's the one

[viral badger]

GUYS TBH

they should add russian weapons

i reaaaallly wanna use a ppsh

[hoary condor]

add the factoin with weapons

wouldn't make any sense to add russian guns to germans or english

[solid hinge]

and maps

[viral badger]

they already got germans running around with mp40 and m1911's as secondary

why not add a russian themed dlc

[hoary condor]

because it's not as simple as it sounds

[solid hinge]

believe it or not thats in the plan

[hoary condor]

they need to fix what's currently broken, add free stuff, DLC content.. it's a lot of work.

Patience is key

[midnight nimbus]

981 RPM with 71 round drum PPSH please

[weak violet]

Sup

[midnight nimbus]

knowing DICE, they'll end up using the standard universal SMG damage model too

[solid hinge]

We need ushankas

when they spend so much time with each weapon in real life to make it as true to real as possible?

[hoary condor]

we have gas masks.. just need le gas grenades 😃

[solid hinge]

i hihly recommend you look on the websites and forums at the r & D that the devs have put into this game

[midnight nimbus]

yeah one thing I can't ever knock DICE for is weapon modeling

[viral badger]

@solid hinge IS THE PLAN TO GET A RUSSIAN THEMED DLC?

:OOOOOOOO

[solid hinge]

eventually

[hoary condor]

Dice kill it on sounds

[midnight nimbus]

BFV gun sounds aren't as good as BF1's, but they're still top notch

BFH might be tied with BF1 for best gun sounds

[hoary condor]

they have been the best.. compared

i loved the russian sniper on sound

[midnight nimbus]

AWM in BFH >>>>

genuinely incredible

it actually might sound better than BF1's bolt actions

[dense bone]

but which is more accurate?!

[midnight nimbus]

idk idc

what made BFH/1 guns sound so good is the slight exaggeration

[hoary condor]

i have to go, have a lovely evening solders

[dense bone]

i dont know or care either, but we dont know what dice are measuring that sounds for

accuracy, or how fun

bye squid

[midnight nimbus]

I like a light balance between authenticity and fun

I love it when vidya enhances sounds to make it sound better than real life

[dense bone]

id pref accurate over fun

[solid hinge]

what you have to understand is that there is a sea change in the way EA has one about adding conent and the detail of the engine they are using, its less about DLCs and global overall ranks and more about content that is added to continuously. Its a new path that EA/dice have entered for the franchise and sometimes things need to be fixed or changed as time goes by. Yes mistakes have been made but in the end I am very confident that BF V will be one of the best in the franchise and perhaps outlive even EA's expectations.

[midnight nimbus]

as long as the guns sound close enough to irl

I don't care

I would've loved bassier semis and bolts in BFV

[dense bone]

idk how guns sound irl, so thats why i would pref accurate

[midnight nimbus]

and a scarier sounding MG42

more chainsaw DICE pls

.300 Knockout audio in BFH is really well done

it sounds very substantial, despite being suppressed

[shrewd grove]

The G43 has a good sound imo

[gloomy kraken]

Im starting to hate the BFV war stories, did them all on hardcore but the achievement is not popping up and the only ”fix” people are recommending is not doing anything.

[midnight nimbus]

the BF1 Ribey and 1916 sound better than their BFV equivalents

[scenic beacon]

Contacting Battlefield Support
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@gloomy kraken try that

Should help

[solid hinge]

you should check the achievements in the chapters themselves, I thought I had finished the last tiger but then realised several things I had completely missed were required to unlock the rewards

[gloomy kraken]

All of them are ✔ and done in hardcore but the storyteller, veteran and Sins of the father stay locked.

[solid hinge]

then contact support, nothing more can be done really

!support

[junior mist]

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[scenic beacon]

beat me to it the second time...

dammit

[solid hinge]

What support gun should I use

[scenic beacon]

Mg42

[solid hinge]

yhe above

[quasi kernel]

Just got battlefield 1 premium

[solid hinge]

!support

[junior mist]

:information_source: Contacting Battlefield Support
If you need to contact the Battlefield Support team for questions you might have, crashing in game and or server issues head over to
https://help.ea.com/en/battlefield/battlefield-v/

Contacting EA Support
If you need to contact EA support about account issues, billing issues etc head over to
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If you need help in this Discord server you can send a Direct Message to our @strange osprey bot!

[quasi kernel]

Reeeee

[stoic breach]

aight

[rocky verge]

@viral badger 12g automatic shotgun op

[crisp forge]

guys any new map released after panzerstorm?

[scenic beacon]

Not yet, but later in this chapter, the map Mercury will release

[crisp forge]

mmmm

is taking them a long time to release new content

[sonic rampart]

[scenic beacon]

Well its free, unlike premium

[sonic rampart]

Firestorm has just been released tho

[untold cliff]

what even is the map mercury gonna be about

it better be on mf mercury and we fighting space nazis with BJ blaskowitz or im be mad

[scenic beacon]

Thats called DOOM

lmao

[solid hinge]

Doom takes place on mars

[sonic rampart]

Its operation Merkury

[solid hinge]

gamers these days

[untold cliff]

vruh moment

[quiet ingot]

HEY

Rise up

[untold cliff]

pull up

lock in

hol up

drop out

also new Wolfenstein had mercury shit im pretty sure

[solid hinge]

doom is probably older than half the people in this chat

[untold cliff]

its older than me but I remember having to download wad's to get the custom maps

I grew up with that shit thanks to good parenting

[solid hinge]

lol

[quiet ingot]

I remember playing doom when I was 7 or 8

Couldn’t get past one level and my buddy’s older bro had to enable godmode for us

[stoic breach]

Good parenting

[untold cliff]

lol smiley

I think my earliest memory of doom was when I was 2

I had finally destroyed the IoS

[solid hinge]

prince of persia 3 ftw

[untold cliff]

bruh nah battlefront 1 and 2 on the ps2

[solid hinge]

no i mean the 8 bit original in like 92, i was in high school

[untold cliff]

o thank god

[midnight nimbus]

mfw barely got to play vidya until I was 16

[solid hinge]

Prince of Persia is lit

[untold cliff]

ye I never actually played the original because im literally only 16 but this shits ingrained in my life

[stoic breach]

[midnight nimbus]

the games I played the most as a kid outside of things in my friends' xboxes were Age of Empires 2 and 3

and Impossible Creatures

[untold cliff]

age of empires was pretty good

[midnight nimbus]

now that's a big throwback

[solid hinge]

yeah .. dune 2 and red alert as well

[untold cliff]

I played a lot of Command and Conquer ; Zero Hour and red alert

MF

[dense bone]

#general

[stoic breach]

Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds

[solid hinge]

x wing vs tie fighter

[midnight nimbus]

they should just make a BF RTS game

and call it BF: Commander

[weak violet]

Hello

[stoic breach]

Like Activision did for CoD

[midnight nimbus]

so that it's like playing commander except your units actually listen to you

they did the same with Halo

[weak violet]

Oof I forgot to change my name

[midnight nimbus]

Halo Wars

[untold cliff]

we gotta go gen

ree

[stoic breach]

Halo Wars is a great game

2 as well

[solid hinge]

pls do so and you'll avoid stuff

[quiet ingot]

Dude I remember playing battlefield 2 and firing a rocket launcher at a helicopter. Door was open on the chopper and the rocket flew through the chopper and my mind was blown

Literally did not believe that hitbox technology could do that

[pale rain]

That’s like some shit out of a movie

That’s legit

[loud junco]

Lol

[green elm]

one time i shot a rocket and died because there was a leaf that my rocket had collided with

tree hitboxes are still the most suspect shit in all of gaming

[midnight nimbus]

i feel that foliage should be on hard defined lanes only

like Black Ops 1's Jungle map

[pale rain]

^

[crisp forge]

mentioning rockets, do you guys know its normal for missiles to fade if you stop aming with them?

[midnight nimbus]

i really don't like how Twisted Steel is done

[pale rain]

Black ops 1 was so good

[solid hinge]

(good taste with impossible creatures)

[midnight nimbus]

with some config fuckery, you can make the leaves render really badly

and see people decently through foliage

[solid hinge]

Brush troubles

[quiet ingot]

Yah

But I think twisted steel is the best map tbh

[pale rain]

Once planted a spawn beacon in a tree

[solid hinge]

Same

Slapped it down and got confused when it didnt appear

[midnight nimbus]

Twisted Steel is a great Bren map

[green elm]

i hate twisted steel

[solid hinge]

Looked up and it was 7 foot above where I placed it

[midnight nimbus]

spot people through foliage

and spray them from 200m

[pale rain]

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

i don't think it's a good map, but i have my cheesy fun on it

[solid hinge]

[midnight nimbus]

the Breakthrough map is really terrible for tanking with its resupply layout

[shrewd grove]

Twisted steel feels good for any weapon I use, even the 20 round Thompson

[quiet ingot]

^

[midnight nimbus]

i haven't played anything but TDM, DOM, and BT on it

[solid hinge]

breakthrough twisted steel is a 3 minute tank drive from the bridge to resupply

[midnight nimbus]

i really dislike playing medic on it

[green elm]

medic on twisted steel is a horrible experience

[midnight nimbus]

second stage puts you so far from the resupply

[solid hinge]

Frontlines twisted steel is genuinely one of my favourite maps

[shrewd grove]

Weird I've always had fun with it, at least on twisted steel conquest as medic

[midnight nimbus]

anything after the first or second stage, forget about resupplying

[solid hinge]

awesome rush map

[midnight nimbus]

i hate asymmetric vehicle balance so bad

[quiet ingot]

Medic on twisted steel is fine if you’re on the bridge

Anywhere else it’s terrible

[midnight nimbus]

Twisted Steel is the ultimate anti-medic map

i sit behind the obj on the bridge to avoid getting blown up

and i alternate between shooting medics and shooting people rushing B

[green elm]

i just cry under the bridge

that little area u can access by dropping down is my home

[quiet ingot]

I like twisted steel because it’s like a bf1 operations map - it funnels engagement to B and E

Best part of operations was having so many targets

[solid hinge]

medic on the bridge is a great way to get bombed

[quiet ingot]

No u

[solid hinge]

flares are really useful at that point and so is the piat

[green elm]

the worst part about operations was doing the same thing over and over until u succeed

if the enemy can position properly and just mow u down it’s really hard to close the distance

[quiet ingot]

Bf1 operations seemed good to me

Bfv operations is just....

Idk awful

[green elm]

some operations were really fun

[midnight nimbus]

i play BFV operations for breakthrough and quit when it's not breakthrough

[green elm]

like, i enjoyed most of them

[midnight nimbus]

unless it's Arras Rush

[green elm]

but the russian red army ones broke me

[solid hinge]

it's more like a randomized game mode playlist in bfv

apart from when its airborne

[midnight nimbus]

i like airborne

as a defender

i just quit if i'm not a defender

[solid hinge]

airborne can be.... painful

[green elm]

just an endless loop of trying to force your way into the church on tsaritsyn...

[solid hinge]

tfw you plant 4 of the guns and plant the last gun twice and still dont blow it

defending is much less painful to my heart

[quiet ingot]

Yeah the Russian operations were terrible

[midnight nimbus]

i love defending on Panzerstorm BT

AP mine heaven

[quiet ingot]

The most historically authentic operations but Jesus they were bad

[solid hinge]

You demon

[quiet ingot]

Either u defend and have a 5 kdr or u attack and exit to menu

[solid hinge]

the best part of being recon is spotting AP mines

it's a blessing

[midnight nimbus]

yeah but then you have to play recon

[solid hinge]

having a viable primary weapon is overrated

who needs anything other than the weblet

[midnight nimbus]

know what's even better than recon? playing in a tank, where you get flares or a spotting scope

[green elm]

volga river and tsaritsyn are some the worst meatgrinders in battlefield history

[midnight nimbus]

and you're bulletproof

and have a big chungus primary cannon

[solid hinge]

the archer is my favourite tank for those exact reasons

[quiet ingot]

@green elm agree

Especially with sweet spot mechanic

[solid hinge]

I really hope axis get another spotting scope tank

[midnight nimbus]

i don't use spotting scope that much

[quiet ingot]

U just get shit on constantly

[green elm]

mmgs too

[midnight nimbus]

i don't need a spot when i have big blast radius

[green elm]

you couldn’t play without smoke nades

[midnight nimbus]

i use flares with the Valentine AA now that case rounds blow

[solid hinge]

what nobody knows is that at the real battle, the raf threw in 3 squadrons of their worst aircraft at those bridges and 2 survived, then they chucked an entire field army in to eventually drop them. its actually a series of brides and if the UK had held, the blitzgrieg would have been halted and ww2 may have been what the UK thought it would be, ww1 redux. however the UK and France failed, Blitzgrieg worked and the rest .. well ... The then allied military historians dont like dwelling on it because they got such a hard thrashing

I cant hillcamp as well with the AA as the archer

[quiet ingot]

I remember doing the smle infantry iron sight headshot assignment on Volga and nearly uninstalling the game

[solid hinge]

archer is peak hillcamping

[midnight nimbus]

nah Archer is decent hillcamping

but Valentine AA is better

gimme those 200 rounds

[green elm]

@quiet ingot my sympathies

[solid hinge]

It cant deal with advancing armour!

[midnight nimbus]

it doesn't need to on most Breakthrough maps where you can use it

[solid hinge]

I cant make myself use it against things that aren't planes

It feels morally wrong

[midnight nimbus]

feeling morally wrong is the qualifier for me using something

[green elm]

think of all the mmg campers you could be killing

[midnight nimbus]

if it doesn't feel disgusting to use, i don't wanna touch it

[solid hinge]

Demon...

Mmg campers are like the only people I actually kill as recon

[quiet ingot]

I do wish we had k bullets back

[midnight nimbus]

i refuse to touch anything that doesn't feel at least borderline unfair

[solid hinge]

mmg campers and snipers who stand still

[quiet ingot]

A lot of classes armor just means “guess I die now”

It’s dumb

[green elm]

tbh shooting k bullets at a tank mostly just made it turn towards me and obliterate me

[solid hinge]

Im still waiting on anti tank rifle as a recon primary

[midnight nimbus]

i want AT rifle as a recon gadget

[green elm]

it should be a battle pickup like the barret 50 cal was

[midnight nimbus]

so the recon doesn't have to bipod just to be useful

[quiet ingot]

K bullet to the turret at the right angle should disable turret movement or something

[solid hinge]

If it was a gadget it'd replace beacons or flares

[quiet ingot]

Not a kill just enough to disable

[solid hinge]

Bolts are shit anyway so why not replace them entirely with an anti armour option

[midnight nimbus]

well, BFV shouldn't have the "required gadget slot"

[quiet ingot]

Well

[charred heron]

😩

[midnight nimbus]

BF4/1 were great bc you had free gadget choice that let you specialize

[quiet ingot]

Every bf has a “required gadget” tbh

[midnight nimbus]

why can't i run flares + spotting scope in BFV?

[quiet ingot]

Since bf3

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 didn't

[green elm]

idk why we needed this sort of exclusivity tbh

[midnight nimbus]

i only ran health + grenade launcher as medic

[quiet ingot]

There were 100% meta gadgets in 4

[midnight nimbus]

XM25 + mortar as support

[sonic rampart]

@charred heron which torso is that?

Prob the boins one

[green elm]

damn oins

[sonic rampart]

[green elm]

i can’t bring myself to spend money on bfv

[solid hinge]

theres no reason to

[green elm]

fashion

[quiet ingot]

I want to buy boins

[green elm]

fashion is a good reason

[quiet ingot]

But I have no visibility into how much this game will be supported

[solid hinge]

Probably quite a while

[quiet ingot]

Some of the best cosmetics are earnable in game

[green elm]

the scottish play is so nice

[quiet ingot]

You want great earnable cosmetics but god tier cosmetics should be purchasable for the model to work

[green elm]

at least they’re not behind some absurd challenge

get 100 kills in a single game with a bolt action rifle while defending the objective D on Fjell

[pale rain]

Yep

[quiet ingot]

Get 20 liberator kills in a game

[green elm]

in firestorm

[pale rain]

No 20 liberator kills in one life

[ancient ocean]

Get 20 headshot liborrater kills while attacking an objective in one life.

[wise harness]

No i have worse

[pale rain]

Without taking any damage

[wise harness]

Get 10 kills in the first minute of a panzerstorm match

[ancient ocean]

And without getting spotted to @pale rain

[solid hinge]

I want those elite skins baby

[green elm]

no reloading

[pale rain]

Lol

[rocky verge]

@pale rain mealt all the snow on narvik in 1 game

[green elm]

“prevent world war 2”

[rocky verge]

When you cricket bat 3 players

And on devistation I love flanking it's so rewarding

[ancient ocean]

ELLOW OL FRIEND

[rocky verge]

Wait there another POW and nyphon now

[green elm]

nope

dunno what you’re talking about

[rocky verge]

Why is there a 2 by the end of your name then

[ancient ocean]

Memes

[rocky verge]

in stalin voice sounds.... good

[charred heron]

The result screen in the end of each match could be way shortened if DICE would actually invest into good servers and wouldn't force the game to render the damn main menu map every time

[turbid prairie]

Why can't we get Firestorm end screens in places where the last battle happened

also the next update is the 11th right, since I leave on the friday

and Won't be back for a week

[novel spoke]

I guess adapting it to the terrain would be complicated, glitching and clipping

Not worth making systems for

[turbid prairie]

Anyone see this Black spots that pop up sometimes on Hamarda

Like on xBox

[hoary condor]

👀 it’s getting hot in here

[turbid prairie]

they appear then disappear in the sky

[ancient ocean]

Like weird glitchy AA puffs? @turbid prairie

[turbid prairie]

I think it might be yeah

you on xBox? thats what Im on and it normally happens on that map

[ancient ocean]

Ya I am on xbox

[turbid prairie]

Yeah

[ancient ocean]

Ya now that I think about I'm pretty sure I've only seen on that map.

[turbid prairie]

Yeah it only happens there

[pale rain]

Oh god someone pinged the admins in general

[gloomy kraken]

Wow, got the ”stay undetected while in the storm” challenge completed now, the reason why it failed was that the enemy i was stabbing spotted me while the animation was playing.

[dense bone]

WHEN IS COLLISION FIX COMING!

[trim token]

Boins have taken over me!

Help!

[pale rain]

Lol

[solid hinge]

Hey they should make a new cosmetic made entirely of leaves! Then I’d be bulletproof!

[pale rain]

That’d be great

[turbid prairie]

They should make a Turtle shell as a helmet

[pale rain]

Yes

[solid hinge]

I think bulletproof leaves and bushes have to be my favorite part of bfv

Even tank Proof

when does duo get into bfv

What's that thing called that german soldiers wore in the winter under their stahlhelm

Like a balaclava thing

when does duo get into bfv

for firestorm

[shrewd grove]

Probably a schlauchschal @solid hinge

[solid hinge]

A schnitzel? Ok

[shrewd grove]

They have them in BFV but they worn around the mouth to look cool or something I guess, I don't like it though

[solid hinge]

when does duo get into bfv
for firestorm

[shrewd grove]

All we know is April please don't spam

[solid hinge]

I'm sick of playing 2v4

I really want a proper one of those

And some proper accurate gear

nice bait

accurate and bfv pick one

Stahlhelm with schlauchschal but you can change the color of the schlauchschal would be amazing

[sonic moss]

So like a gillie suit

[torn frigate]

2 times at 7/10 for the zh-29 assignment, this time I took time to answer to a random calling for me and last second traded with another sniper, hope silent tracking doesn't finish the assignment for me really want to do this one.

[dense bone]

good luck

[chilly marten]

aaaa

[dense bone]

i still dont have my model 8 fully gold because of that assignment

[charred heron]

Ofc i get killed by a grenade that was thrown through a window from a side that doesn't even have a window

10/10 game design my arse

[chilly marten]

you all bad

if you dont use MG42 hipfire

😎

[coarse thunder]

Real shit, MG42 hipfire is basically Rambo 4

The one where he mows down all those Cambodian guys

[chilly marten]

amazing\

[pale rain]

Smh lol

[chilly marten]

ok i am going to continue having no life

[coarse thunder]

You don't have to have good hipfire accuracy with 900-1200 rounds per minute

[dull forge]

same but i am trying

i am 4/5

[midnight nimbus]

tanks move faster than infy tho 🤔

[dull forge]

i killed a guy from a swimwagen with the swimwagen weapon tho, was cool af. while in water. 😄

[gray glade]

what hipfiring an mg42 looks like IRL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B57dW3A-DT0

[solid hinge]

I have a lot of tank vs tank kills

[dull forge]

i hardly see any tanks while i am with tank . i usually blow em up with gadgets

[pale rain]

Yeah tank play doesn’t have enough action for me

[solid hinge]

I love tank

Actually Staghound and Panzer 38T are the best

[pale rain]

Archer is good

[solid hinge]

Definitely more action with the Stag cuz it’s speedy

I haven’t tried the archer yet

[hollow marlin]

best weapon is your mind kid

[pale rain]

Lol

[solemn wedge]

best weapon is no weapon

[rotund sentinel]

Sanitater! Da!

[pale rain]

Smh

[jaunty stump]

anyone get BFV on CDkeys.com?

[rotund sentinel]

Haagen-Daz! Da!

[cedar cove]

Lando

[jaunty stump]

ye

[cedar cove]

Its on sale lately from legit sites foe $30

Don't cdkeys it for a dollar less

[jaunty stump]

for pc

[cedar cove]

Yep

[jaunty stump]

anyway you cuold link me

orgin has it for 53

and im really not trying to pay that much for a deceased game

i used the whole trial yesterday lmao

[pale rain]

Nice

[cedar cove]

Seems the sale is dead doh

Was up on multiple places foe $30 for a while

Probably cause of the firestorm release

[jaunty stump]

fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkk

fuck

[cedar cove]

Multiple eBay listings have it with an image of the box

$30

Would find out if they actually send the box as its just a cdkey

May be bullshit bait and switch for bogus keys

[rotund sentinel]

Request sanitater

[jaunty stump]

probably

neweggs got it for cheap

[rotund sentinel]

Request haagen-daz vanilla flavor

[cold trail]

@echo sand Cut it out.

[echo sand]

I'm trying to write a Youtuber's name bro

[rotund sentinel]

Do you see that? An enemy panzer!

[echo sand]

Who has the tag [SPAM] with a bunch of |'s after it?

[cold trail]

Just do it without the spoiler bit.

[echo sand]

I'm just typing like normal... don't know how to do the spoiler

Sorry if I'm triggering something

[cold trail]

Are they on this server?

[echo sand]

It's either Westie or Jackfrags

[gray glade]

lvlcap does afaik

[pale rain]

^

[echo sand]

Their in-game name is weird.... anyway, he just killed me with 3 remaining in Firestorm solo, lol

[pale rain]

It’s lvlcap

[echo sand]

It's Levelcap?

Thanks

[gray glade]

yeah

[echo sand]

Never thought I'd see a famous Youtuber in game haha 😏

[gray glade]

yeah

you censored lvlcap

[echo sand]

Sorry for triggering your spam bot

[cold trail]

||lul||

[gray glade]

its ok, i did it too

[cold trail]

It's the double pipes that are doing it.

The double pipes aka | are for spoilers.

The bot will grab it every time.

[shrewd grove]

Leaking logs smh

[echo sand]

He got me good though... we both had Kar's I think

[pale rain]

Lol

That’s pretty cool

[echo sand]

I had a Kar, he had a sniper for sure too

[pale rain]

So he never killed you? Lol

[echo sand]

Oh no, he killed me good 😄

Killed me with with one other remaining and then won the game

[novel spoke]

Attack on Breaktrough Fjell is really really hard

No

[echo sand]

Fjell 🤢

[novel spoke]

Fjell is pretty open and has wide fields

Laying down with a semi auto is the only thing thatll keep you alive

so the team doesnt push

Everyones afraid to push trough smokes

[gray glade]

did they nerf smoke btw?

[pale rain]

Suomi is heavenly

[gray glade]

i used smoke on narvik today and it was so useless

[scenic beacon]

Mg42>suomi

[carmine eagle]

Yesterday I took out three people with melee and stole their Tiger

And yes MG42 is pretty good

[scenic beacon]

when you climb ontop of the enemy tank and the driver is stupid enough to get out

[carmine eagle]

Knife bait

[scenic beacon]

eyes glow red

hops in tank

[novel spoke]

When I stand on top of tanks I always get run over if it moves

[carmine eagle]

It’s like BF4, people still do this, they get out, I steal the tank, I run them over. Every time

[scenic beacon]

^

[novel spoke]

Do teams change at all inbetween rounds

like are the squads being pushed around for balancing

[carmine eagle]

Only after games

[pale rain]

@oblique parcel had the funniest experience. Stole an enemy tank. It was sitting at seven health in the middle of their spawn and I jumped in and drove it over. Laughing so hard when I was driving straight at our friendly tank from the enemy spawn, and he was hitting me with everything he had

[novel spoke]

Hm

Cuz if I lose I always lose like 4, 5 games in a row

and if someone loses they leave, opening a spot for a new player

so if I join a server I first lose like 5 games before anything changes

[carmine eagle]

I got a ten kill streak with a Jeep loaded with twelve anti tank mines

[pale rain]

Damn

[scenic beacon]

I do it on panzerstorm, and as long as i sit in the enemy area off to the side not looking too suspicious, nobody pays me any attention except for my team

[carmine eagle]

In one run

[waxen canopy]

BFV anyone???

[scenic beacon]

<> Looking for Players to play with? Head Over to the Looking For Group Channels in the (#LFG) Channel Category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[dull forge]

@oblique parcel i was just forced to solo squad a game and won with 9 kills it was SO HARD OMG 😄

[scenic beacon]

@waxen canopy

[novel spoke]

@waxen canopy What region you in?

[scenic beacon]

liberal destroyed

[carmine eagle]

HOW BOUT THEM MICROTRANSACTIONS MAKING MY COMPANY CREDITS USELESS

[waxen canopy]

@novel spoke US EAST

[novel spoke]

Why the fuck is the panzerfaust absolutely inoperational UNLESS you flip up the sights. The tank is literally three metre in front of me I wont need that but my soldier takes those two extra seconds. Its fucking stupid and got me killed a million times.

[carmine eagle]

Use dynamite

[novel spoke]

Only dynamite wotn do

[pale rain]

That is a problem

[fathom pebble]

how about learn the weak spots of a tank

instead shoot it on the front side

[novel spoke]

Two sticks dont take out a tiger

[carmine eagle]

(The back)

If it’s an allied tank, the whole tank is a weak spot

[fathom pebble]

the tracks

[novel spoke]

Well no shit Im not standing in front of a tank, I know what a machine gunner is

[gray glade]

😄

[solid hinge]

laughs in 88mm

[carmine eagle]

If it’s a German tank, the back is the weak spot, shooting anywhere else just makes it angry

[novel spoke]

But the enemy team always has infantry covering their tanks to Assaults cant get close.

Never seen that much thoughtfulness on my team

[carmine eagle]

Use range

[novel spoke]

The Tiger has a really durable turret tho

[carmine eagle]

Shoot the gunner

It’s sniper bait

For me the gunner is knife bait

Don’t ask how

[solid hinge]

litrally asking why dont I win every time .. dude, its balance

simples

[novel spoke]

Im asking why dont I win at all

[carmine eagle]

In BF4, the other team always has the insane attack heli pilots

Never my team

Hmm

[solid hinge]

did you know its legit possible 2 2 shot a stug on the front armour with a piat?

as someone said .. its about where the shot lands

yep

only ever managed that once .. usually die

[gray glade]

why do they even include the win% for firestorm if its broken stat

[novel spoke]

I have a 100% win percentage cuz it only counts the games you viewed to the end

And the only firestorm game I watched to the end was that where I died in the first 90 seconds and watched my squad win anyways

[pale rain]

That sucks lol

[rocky verge]

places turtle mine

[solid hinge]

bush campers

in firestorm

guuuuuuuuuuuh

yep

[junior mist]

:information_source: <> Looking for Players to play with? Head Over to the Looking For Group Channels in the (#LFG) Channel Category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[solid hinge]

cant play now too angry lol

[trim token]

I have 2451 vehicle kills in firestorm.. damn

Let’s go infantry maybe

[turbid prairie]

Why can't we have the toaster tank in this game

[rocky verge]

Hans where my stürmtiger

[pale rain]

WUT

[turbid prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308721133505740802/564874036883095583/cj7dfcldt1r21.jpg

[rocky verge]

@pale rain turtle mine

[pale rain]

@trim token link your stats in #stats

[turbid prairie]

this is the german toaster tank

[trim token]

Hold up I’m in game

But I only have opened 2 lock ups 🤔

This can’t be right

[rocky verge]

Hans did not steal my boins

I still have mine

[mystic wolf]

does anyone know why if you fire one shot from the krag-jorgensen then reload, your char will just like hold the new cartridge for a sec before putting it in? i dont get it

[turbid prairie]

what to do against campers

call them

and tell them

[trim token]

@rocky verge he’s after you

[rocky verge]

Nah m8

[turbid prairie]

I'm join every game your in and camp at the faction spawn

[rocky verge]

@turbid prairie call a V1 on there location

[turbid prairie]

LOL

Yeah

You know I won a game because a guy called a V1 Rocket on another guy

and killed themselves

[trim token]

I found 5 v1s as a solo yesterday, got a bit excited 😉

[rocky verge]

I need to upload a clip of me getting the flank and cricket bat 3 people

Cricket bat OP ol frien

[trim token]

Same here

[turbid prairie]

What did you do Snutten

what DID YOU and your sqaud do to be insane enough

to get Arts and V1 Flare guns

[rocky verge]

@oblique parcel my squad got 2 V1s called and 1 artillery strike on devistation

[trim token]

I accidentally killed myself last second with one though due to an invisible wall that blocked me placing it correctly..

@rocky verge lost boins yet 😃

[rocky verge]

Nope

Still have my 2,700

[trim token]

I have 12,700 though

[rocky verge]

I had more but got 4 skins

[trim token]

Flex

[rocky verge]

[trim token]

Many regrets

[strong parrot]

so how did they fuck up squad call ins?

[trim token]

Huh

[strong parrot]

seems like half the time when I hold B, pull out the phone to call in something, it just auto pulls out my gun

[rocky verge]

Wait no:the jackle driving rod,the wild one final countdown

Yeah 4 plus 2 more from starter pack

[unique kestrel]

It's worked fine for me 🤔

[trim token]

I hate the final countdown torso, it looks too THICC

[formal valve]

I want Robert the Bruise.....😫

[rocky verge]

I have enought for 1 elite skin

[formal valve]

They aren’t elites reeeeee

[trim token]

How much are they?

[formal valve]

They are EpiC

[rocky verge]

Dont know maybe 1,500 since the rare are 750

[trim token]

EpIc GaMeR sKiNs?

[formal valve]

epiC

[trim token]

But EA

Probably £40 each lol

[dense bone]

are we complaining about cosmetics again?

[rocky verge]

Nah

[turbid prairie]

Im just waiting for the Trench Digger outfit

so I can make Officer loadout nice

for now I must use Mirage

[solid hinge]

I just want a Silver Dagger headpiece that has a dark gray Stahlhelm, I don’t like the white

[primal sage]

I finally made it to the final 4.

But I still got the same issue.

Every time I get a 1v1 on foot fight, I die.

Somehow, some way, IDK how but the other dude just fucking MELTS me.

[solid hinge]

Use the MG42

I love it

Or the Bren

[turbid prairie]

I want a Feldgrau Silver dagger torso

[solid hinge]

Yeah same here

The white just doesn’t fit

[jagged vector]

The level 20 skins should’ve come with multiple camo options

or raise the class rank cap to 30 and give the camos there

[solid hinge]

They need to fix the issue where you go down but you still have health and you’re forever stuck in a downed state

[solid hinge]

they need to fix the bug where being indoors turns you invisible

gah

i would definitely like to squad up with somebody here sometime

but beware

VOIP is banned here so i cant voice chat

[strong parrot]

excuse me what the fuck is this dice

[dense bone]

not even hard

...

try getting 10 headshot kills in obj in 1 life with an SLR

that wording suggests you can just get headshots too, not even headshot kills

[pale rain]

True

[midnight nimbus]

I hate how BF tracks headshots

I'm pretty sure in CoD, one bullet to the head during a kill counts

[pale rain]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

and BF gunplay is largely designed for you to go for the head on the first bullet and end on the body

[pale rain]

It does

@jagged vector can you play firestorm rn?

[icy sluice]

From what I remember, CoD had the SVT40 and M1 Garand, neither did one shot to the head even with high caliber which gives more headshot damage

WWII, not WaW

[midnight nimbus]

like if BF tracked the number of kills you get with at least one headshot vs how many kids you get with one headshot at the end, I'd have like a 40-50% HSKR on some guns

[jagged vector]

@pale rain yeah make a chat party I’ll start up the game

I’m finishing an ice cream

[pale rain]

Lol nice

Party invite sent

[waxen canopy]

BFV conquest anyone?

[zealous void]

!lfg

[junior mist]

:information_source: <> Looking for Players to play with? Head Over to the Looking For Group Channels in the (#LFG) Channel Category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[novel spoke]

I just did my Mastery Assignments for Assaults. 7 Kills with explosives in a round was pretty hard cuz for some reason my Frag Nade launcher didn't register most of the time

Grenades just like poofed trough the map...

Yeah but that requires blind enemies

[pale rain]

Not really

[novel spoke]

because throwing then triggering Dynamite takes a solid 3, 4 seconds

Yeah I ended up doing that with a piat

I went into TDM and ran up into rooms with enemies, "rocket Jumping" myself and enemies to death

[pale rain]

Lol

[novel spoke]

Worked out

Now I have Mastery I and II but 3 looks hard

"Kill 10 Enemies in one life" and I'm just not that good

[pale rain]

Eh it’s really not too hard

[novel spoke]

Else "get 7 explosive kills in one life" which I find even harder

[pale rain]

Just play safe

[novel spoke]

And lastly it's 60 obj kills, which I guess I'm going for, just patience

[pale rain]

Yes

[novel spoke]

Assault is the first Class I got to level 20

I still wish I could just get the Tommy gun already cuz that's how i wanna play Medic

But Im like lv 17 on that

[solid hinge]

Firestorm is lit, but Yugoslavia will forever be my favorite Battle Royale

[twin current]

can you lvl up guns in combined arms?

[opaque cipher]

Still can iirc

[twin current]

k thx

[rocky verge]

I am such a prick on bf5 Xd

Tank dies sees teammate jump out of valentine tank steals tank

[north hazel]

Sighhhhhhh firestorm queue times are so long.

[quiet ingot]

Are people playing FS?

[craggy topaz]

theyre like only 2 mins long for me

[north hazel]

@craggy topaz Only?

[icy sluice]

So, a third Elite was leaked

A french resistance fighter and it says there's a language barrier fighting alongside the British to help reclaim their homeland... so they will speak actual French.

[pale rain]

Just had the greatest battlefield moment ever

[craggy topaz]

on average

[icy sluice]

#OnlyInBattlefieldMoments 😎

[craggy topaz]

prob west coast servers are more busy than anywhere else

or rather have population

[north hazel]

That's pretty insane

Kinda dead tbh

[pale rain]

Just shot another helicopter out of the air with a panzer while I was in the passenger seat of my buddy’s helicopter

[icy sluice]

Oh yeah, someone did that before :p

But yeah, I kinda wanna see what this French Resistance Fighter looks like

[turbid prairie]

when will the armoury update next 15th or 11th

6 days

so the 15th

but

it updated on thursday

so wouldn't it in 2 days then

idk anymore

I mean probably be the same

Im gonna write an anrgry horribly written letter to dice

[rocky verge]

@pale rain wanna be a turtle mine

[pale rain]

[cedar cove]

So....

A guy spotted me earlier in a building blew it up so I retreat to a whole new area and sit inside this shed

Proceeds to somehow know where I am and blasts that one too?

Wasn't even near me frustrating

[tacit lily]

[rocky verge]

Must really hate buildings

[cedar cove]

I heard him pop a flare earlier so that made sense

Got an idea where he shot at me from so couldn't have seen me retreat where I did

[rocky verge]

I realized why did my post of axis assault outfit post get deleated but crazyhipplEZA still has his up

[mossy badge]

[thorn trellis]

I've always wanted to have a nickel plated 92FS or M5K

Or a nickel plated 1911

[compact oxide]

I just want a 1906 Luger rifle irl, is that so much to ask for?

[shrewd grove]

It's really pretty, which is rare for the weird experimental type guns

[compact oxide]

Yup, and it has a toggle lock ❤

Unfortunately there's like 2 that exist in private collections somewhere

[shrewd grove]

But battlefield showed me they were used in world war 1 and 2

Smh

[compact oxide]

It also showed that the ribeyrolls was a great gun that existed at all and didn't have an actual 40% failure rate

[shrewd grove]

lol

[compact oxide]

And the heilregal

[thorn trellis]

Woowee nickel 92FS

[shrewd grove]

But yeah toggle locks were a lot more common than I thought, it's just that most seem to be inverted

And they have huge charging handles

[compact oxide]

Yeah, there were a couple of prolific gunmakers who only ever used them

There's even a toggle lock artillery piece

[solid hinge]

scoopity woop scoopity doop

[dull forge]

so sad . 5 am in eu and nobody is playing, atleast theyre not in discord ;x

[compact oxide]

Well this is the dead period

[dull forge]

yeah where are the gamers damn it 😄

kids these days sleep too much

they should play more 😄

[austere ibex]

I am still awake gaming 4 am

[compact oxide]

I mean it's nearing midday for me

[dull forge]

damnn lets make a firestorm eu group 😄

[compact oxide]

I'm at work sadly

[dull forge]

wont tell if u dont 😄

some other time maybe snutten : P

wish there was firestorm leaderbord on wins n sht

i am sure i was 1st at one point 😄

alright then ; p see u on the battlefield 😄

[solid hinge]

It's just saddening that fans make the game more hyped via data mining than the devs.

[opaque cipher]

[dusky saffron]

truth tbh

[solid hinge]

And the devs made a bad decision bringing the Mercury map by May 30 instead of this month.

If only they could give deluxe players a CTE

then we should get some proper feedback

[midnight nimbus]

CTE became useless

people stopped giving meaningful feedback

and just used it as an extra early access

[solid hinge]

is that so...hmm

[opaque cipher]

CTE became toxic tryhard zone

So everyone left

[solid hinge]

since bf4?

[opaque cipher]

BF4 was at least alright

There’s the occasional shit talker but most of it is confined to Metro and Locker

[solid hinge]

I see...

Then bf1 caused more issues?

[opaque cipher]

It’s just how gaming became overtime

Well

How people interact

Instead of “hey maybe we can improve on X Y and Z and maybe nerf this a little bit for being broken” it’s “REEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING DIE IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME”

We must shatter the glass ceiling

[compact oxide]

They took muh Veronica

[trim token]

What happened to chapter 3 trailer?

[strong parrot]

@oblique parcel Ahem sit down sir....your kind is not allowed to stand in that manner anymore!

[compact oxide]

Excuse me, #battlefield-legacy-titles

[dusky saffron]

Yes I'm battlefield

how can I help you

[trim token]

Dice I match make for 15 minutes to be put into a Brazilian server with 4 people..

[compact oxide]

Oof

Matchmaking is trash tbh

[trim token]

Alright I’m off, been grinding 600 kills for the 12g automatic for what now? 16 hours straight..

What a shit gun it is

So I can get it out the way and never use it again

[lunar lion]

Never even use the matchmaking feature

server browser is best

[solid hinge]

i should use SB more....

[trim token]

True but I can’t find british sever in there at 4:30 in the morning..

Full ones at least

[echo glen]

I can't find a firestorm match bro

[solid hinge]

HAH

[trim token]

Tomorrow I get ToW 40.. that’s my goal

Im 38 1/2 atm

To full gold it and get the 600 kill dog tag

So I have a decent reason to forget about it

I’m trying to full gold every gun in the game, 12g is my last one in support, just 4 snipers left

😃 cheers

[echo glen]

Unpopular Opinion: Kar98 is kinda bad

[trim token]

Can’t wait to do 20 headshot kills in 1 life in objective areas..

[echo glen]

Oof

[trim token]

Yay! Cheers dice..

For testing shit

[compact oxide]

Kar98 is great for a plsystyle that I hate

[trim token]

Commando car bone is going to be horrible to full gold.. oh god

Carbine*

Cheers auto correct

[sacred junco]

I don't think ill ever learn how to fly in bf

after 10+ years of palying it

1k points 0-7

[compact oxide]

I gave up from the start tbh

[sacred junco]

I just don't get it

you get no poiints doing anything in a figther

[compact oxide]

It's apparently better with a controller though

[sacred junco]

and thje only people flying who are 1% of the population are farming everything

[trim token]

I had 23k kills with the attack plane in bf1 😬
I wasn’t a noob heavy bomber twat though

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You can top the scoreboard with planes tho

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how

you can't even kill things half the time even if you are an ace as a fighter

i shoot things for 10 minutes

only for someone to down me in 10 seconds

[trim token]

It’s called good timing, you observe until you know that it’s a guaranteed kill and you’ll be safe

[sacred junco]

Like my score and kd is gonna tank like 20% just from trying to learn

[trim token]

Practice range?

[sacred junco]

yeah

right

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Fighter is to stop bombers from farming in V

[sacred junco]

fighting bots is gonna help

me how to learn how to flty

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But bombers are so shit nowadays it doesn’t matter

So fighters remain useless