battlefield-legacy-titles

[pearl siren]

but the standard german one was the Raketenpanzerbüchse 54

and also panzerfaust

and the russians had an at rifle that they using in place of launchers?

idk thats just what i think i remember

[jagged vector]

They had a PTRD and PTRS

[icy sluice]

wanting a M1A1 Thompson

[pearl siren]

no

wait isnt there already a thompson in game?

[jagged vector]

It’s a different Thompson

The Russians used the allied & axis anti tank launchers as well as both PTRS/D

Lend/lease or captured, respectively

[icy sluice]

The Russians Captured Bazookas :p

[jagged vector]

They bought bazookas and Piats

Captured panzerfausts/panzerschrecks

[solid hinge]

Hmm

[coarse thunder]

AT rifles were obsolete mostly in WW2

[brazen stone]

[coarse thunder]

Soviets used whatever AT weapons they could get their hands on iirc

[jagged vector]

that is correct

[stone bolt]

What’s combined arms?

[gray glade]

yeah the soviets actually used AT rifles as well

use what u have etc

[sonic rampart]

Co-op mode of battlefield 5

Its not that great, you do get CC tho

[pearl siren]

the soviets also had at bundle grenates too i think

[coarse thunder]

Yeah because they also used stick grenades

[pearl siren]

wait does this game have regular smoke grenades?

[coarse thunder]

Yes

...

Medics and scout can use them

[pearl siren]

lmao my dumbass thought you could only get smoke through arty or grenade launcher

[coarse thunder]

Tanks and planes have smoke too

[pearl siren]

fuckfuckfukcufkcufck

ahhhh i hit my ankle on the corner of my bed

[dusk field]

oof

[sonic rampart]

F

[midnight nimbus]

I wish all classes had smoke

or different forms of smoke

like medic has current smoke nades, which you carry multiple of and you can spam

i'd take a smaller radius on smoke nades if you could carry more

[dusk field]

anyone’s servers down on BF4?

[midnight nimbus]

support should have like a smoke cluster nade

assault should have some form of smoke-like gas grenade that fucks more with vehicle visibility

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30023217
give this to assault and medic

smoke grenade geared towards anti vehicle

so now medic has a response to vehicles besides lol I'm just gonna die now

[karmic kite]

M1897 Shotgun how do i unlock it doesnt show up on support class

[solid hinge]

At least medic has smokes

[karmic kite]

as unlockable

[solid hinge]

Recon has nothing if you pick knives

I tried bayonetting a tiger earlier out of frustration at being stuck in a corner

Can confirm it doesn't work

Alright

Gents

I need some help

Easy way to boost TOW from 36-40

Anyone know the easiest way to do this?

score

[sonic rampart]

Playing 24/7

[solid hinge]

I’m done with all the assignments

I mean I just want Double Down and General

[sonic rampart]

You wont make it prob

[solid hinge]

Idc for the Dogtag

Ever gonna use it

I mean you never know

Try breakthrough and frontlines

[sonic rampart]

I mean how long can you play?

[solid hinge]

Pft

Seems easier to get points on those two

I heard Grand Ops is good but idk

[weak violet]

God damn it

[solid hinge]

Like do I even try at this point lol

[sonic rampart]

Dont do grandops

[solid hinge]

That’s the thing

How many days left?

[weak violet]

Spent the last hour trying to resupply my squadmates 25 times

[solid hinge]

5~?

[sonic rampart]

Like 4

[solid hinge]

school though

So oof

[sonic rampart]

5 if you count today

[solid hinge]

You can make at least 2 levels

maybe three

[weak violet]

Following them and giving them ammo sucks, they litterly just run into enemys

[solid hinge]

Unless I grind time with Stuka on Breakthrough?

[sonic rampart]

Dont use planes tho

[solid hinge]

Rack up 100 kills dive bombing

Lol

@weak violet take ammo pouches

[sonic rampart]

Okay nvm

[weak violet]

@solid hinge Ye i did

[solid hinge]

they'll be forced to take it

[sonic rampart]

If you can do that

[solid hinge]

Lol

It took that long even with pouches?

Damn

I just want to maximize time

[weak violet]

They just run into enemys and die

[solid hinge]

And get the cosmetics

[weak violet]

[solid hinge]

Figured I’d come here

[midnight nimbus]

BFV is sorely missing gadget diversity

[weak violet]

Like i see them charge into the enemy team and am like i ain't going in their

[solid hinge]

Oh, wait

[weak violet]

If i can complete this challenge it would be great, as the next one is extremely easy

[solid hinge]

What class garners the most xp?

[midnight nimbus]

prolly medic

[weak violet]

200 kills with squad mates

[midnight nimbus]

especially if you boost

[weak violet]

I can do that by myself in CA

[solid hinge]

TOW Xp wise?

Will it garner more then say support? Or even assault?

[weak violet]

Also if you are having trouble to get that 500 damage challenge

Go to CA and use assault and just blow up the enemys

Its how i have completed most of these challenges

[solid hinge]

I just want XP

Lol

All the assignments I got are done

#BringBackXPBoost

[weak violet]

Just having a mega slump completing this one

[solid hinge]

I just can’t invest so much time lol

[weak violet]

I need 24 more squad mate revives/resupplys to complete it

[solid hinge]

Just spam ammo pouches

That’s it

And stay with your team

[weak violet]

Can't spam ammo pouches when they are all dead

[solid hinge]

People do reloads constantly

Then swap squads constantly

Just keep swapping in fights and throw

Etc

Maximize the people present

[weak violet]

How do i resupply dead bodies tho

[solid hinge]

Then revive lol

[weak violet]

Enough complaining about shitty squad CA is pretty fun

[solid hinge]

Wait

Will stuff from this TOW return?

Lol

If it does I don’t have to try hard for it

[weak violet]

The weapons can be bought with CO after the week is done

[solid hinge]

Cosmetics

Double Down and etc

[weak violet]

But they cost 1,800 CC

[solar bear]

Firestorm, eh if I can drive the tank and pew pew you're gonna end up in the dirt like Doo Doo.

[midnight nimbus]

just boost with friends ig

[solid hinge]

Planes wanna talk

[weak violet]

Cosmetics will likely not be able to be bought again

[solid hinge]

I have no friends

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

or squad swap is by far the easiest

[solid hinge]

I just want my German General outfit

I could care less for anything else

Like I have no reason to play save for that

Max rank and everything. Like where’s the fun in that

[midnight nimbus]

why don't you just play for the sake of playing

[solid hinge]

Cause

[midnight nimbus]

I mean it's a MP PVP game

[solid hinge]

I’m bored lol

[midnight nimbus]

progression is just getting better

[solid hinge]

I’d rather not get into this discussion with you

It’ll escalate rapidly

Cause we’ve been in this topic before

[midnight nimbus]

ye cosmetic grind is valid

[solid hinge]

And it went on for a solid 45 minutes

[midnight nimbus]

idk, I think CA or squad swap is the way to go for you

[solid hinge]

I need tow xp

Lol

I’m at 36/40

All assignments done

[midnight nimbus]

I never did ToW, but isn't a lot of XP squad based stuff?

[solid hinge]

Way

Yeah

It’s just the sheer amount

It’s like 100k~ in the last few levels

Like why though

[midnight nimbus]

the best way to rank that up is drown boosting with friends I guess

but next best is squad swapping all over the place to throw pouches

[solid hinge]

Maybe

Idk

Like idk if it’s worth it if anything

Like the general outfit is for the jacket and pants lol

The hat I could care less for

Man idk

If it comes back, then is there even a point?

I mean I did lose out on 50k XP and EA support wouldn’t give it to me

[midnight nimbus]

you could always save in the hope that you'll like something more in the future ig

[solid hinge]

It’s the TOw outfits

Double Down

And the Rommel outfit I believe

So like,

[maiden lantern]

im so fkin close to lv39 but ive completed the whole ToW

[pearl siren]

109 g-6 or g-2

[solid hinge]

depends what you're speccing for

g-6 can have meaty ground attack potential

g-2 can go pure AA

[pearl siren]

ah i see the g-6 can have 13mm

while the g-2 can only do mg17 in the nose and mg151 in the wings

and the g-6 is either 2 mg17, 4 mg17, or 2 mg131, and 2 mg151

[dusky peak]

When nEW uPdates

[maiden lantern]

^ this tbh

[solid hinge]

when is new roadmap

[pearl siren]

wait fuck my info is wrong

[dusky peak]

When more wapoens

[solid hinge]

As far as I recall the g-6 had the option of solely 4 lmgs, 2 hmgs and a 20mm cannon with explosive rounds or 2 x 20mms and one hmg

when is the "better Team mate" balance patch coming?

[pearl siren]

the g-6 starts out with 2 cannons in wings

[solid hinge]

Most people pick mingenshoes and the rockets on the g-6 it seema

[dusky peak]

https://tenor.com/view/bf5-bfv-overture-tides-of-war-crafter-gif-gif-13008876

oh doesint work

gay

[solid hinge]

while the g-2 gets an air radar along with the agility upgrade

Implying the headbutt is anywhere close to that fast

The tank would have run you over 5 times in game before the headbutt happened

[midnight nimbus]

chapter 3 is supposed to have some good weapon drops

[solid hinge]

god i hope so

Any chances there'll be gadgets in it?

M1917 Enfield

It’s dog tag is in the game

Yeet

I'd like to go up against a medic who had something separate from smokes or AP mines

I’d like Medic to get carbines if some sort

Lol

Or at least a DMR style weapon

[midnight nimbus]

nah, light on gadgets

BF players unfortunately hate gadgets for some reason

[solid hinge]

I'm surprised there's so few currently in the game

[midnight nimbus]

but to be fair, DICE has been hit or miss with gadget design in the past

less gadgets was one of the biggest things the community was screaming for

so 🤷🏼‍♀️

[solid hinge]

Really??

wtf

[midnight nimbus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/ayjzlv/comment/ei2gtt6
this is more or less exactly what I want for gadgets

written by someone else

all the anti vehicle power is too strongly concentrated into the assault, which is partially why they're so strong

[dusky saffron]

^

[midnight nimbus]

other classes need an opportunity to contribute

and not just sit back and watch

[dusky saffron]

I don't typically use reddit but this is something I can agree on

except the flamethrower

make that a squad reinforcement

[midnight nimbus]

nah, squad reinforcement means it doesn't exist when you need it to

[dusky saffron]

🤷

I'd rather have the ability to place a reinforced soldier then an assault with a baby flamethrower

[midnight nimbus]

and you can regulate the power of the flamethrower to make it weak enough to be a gadget

[dusky saffron]

and they're probably gonna do it anyways since the heavy class's weapon was teased in the practice range

[midnight nimbus]

making it a reinforcement just means the return of elites

which everyone rightfully hates

[dusky saffron]

gonna have to yikes on that

people hated it because it was distributed like the stupid power ups in Battlefront 1

[solid hinge]

Why the heck was that comment downvoted? It was very good

frightened of the 6 max mines they suggested though

[midnight nimbus]

elites could've been deployed like vehicles and they'd be fine

[dusky saffron]

exactly

[midnight nimbus]

if they're equal for both sides

[dusky saffron]

Some elites were underpowered and placed in weird spots

[midnight nimbus]

and I'm 100% for 6 max mines if the way mines work were changed

AP mines right now just instagib you if you aren't sprinting and you can stack them on top of each other for guaranteed kills

neither should be the case

[solid hinge]

id like it if you could prone under them or something

[dusky saffron]

a bit disappointed you can't go prone to stop the damage

like in WaW

that was neat

[solid hinge]

yes!

[midnight nimbus]

yes you should be able to prone under them

[dusky saffron]

^

I think it was in Bo1 too

[midnight nimbus]

and they shouldn't activate if you're moving slowly

[dusky saffron]

That would also be a good feature

[midnight nimbus]

the point of mines is to punish people who are sloppy when moving around

they shouldn't punish you if you're careful

making them a bit bigger and more visible would be nice too

[solid hinge]

they're very powerful for how small they are

[maiden lantern]

if ure carefull ull see them

[midnight nimbus]

make these changes, and I'm 100% for 6 max mines

[maiden lantern]

i see them 95% of the time, i dont think they should b nerfed

[midnight nimbus]

it's not whether they should be nerfed or not

it's whether they should function the way they do now

[maiden lantern]

wdym?

[midnight nimbus]

which I don't think they should, because they don't correctly fulfill their purpose

you don't get enough of them for proper area denial

and they don't punish sloppy movement properly

[dusky saffron]

I probably don't believe that statistic of "seeing them 95% of the time" since my mines clip halfway through the ground and still go off normally

[maiden lantern]

well mby not all ppl are like u

coz i rarly get killed by em

[midnight nimbus]

and the removal of 3D spotting is stupid

[solid hinge]

you can also place them very quickly

[maiden lantern]

^

[midnight nimbus]

sometimes I see mines but I don't have the time or ability to destroy them

[solid hinge]

so if you're running away you can slap one in a doorway

[maiden lantern]

bring back the doritos

[midnight nimbus]

you should be able to spot them for teammates

[dusky saffron]

so you're telling me that you've never turned a corner and got killed by 2 ap mines in the same area

[solid hinge]

flares spot them

[midnight nimbus]

individuals should be able to spot them

[solid hinge]

recon being the best once again

[midnight nimbus]

with or without flares

flare spotting is fine, bc they can spot them all in an area without LoS

[maiden lantern]

kht is like the only guy ive come across who agrees wth me

[solid hinge]

No I agree with you completely on that

[midnight nimbus]

but individual 3D spotting is necessary

BFV is too binary in design in many ways

[solid hinge]

I've pinged them before and had teammates run into them to check the ping

[dusky saffron]

digressing my question smh

[midnight nimbus]

you either can do something really well or you can't do it at all

[vagrant lava]

someone for bf3 for xbox one ?

[midnight nimbus]

the ping is meaningless though

[solid hinge]

!lfg

[junior mist]

:information_source: <> Looking for Players to play with? Head Over to the Looking For Group Channels in the (#LFG) Channel Category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[solid hinge]

ping is too unspecified

[midnight nimbus]

if someone pings an area, do they want me to go here or avoid it?

so I just ignore the ping

[dusky saffron]

Although the bfv ping is rudimentary

[midnight nimbus]

Apex ping is perfect

[dusky saffron]

pings were meant to warn about something

[midnight nimbus]

because you get context

[dusky saffron]

not highlight the enemy for you for ez kills

and sadly a majority of the bf community uses spotting for the latter

so I'm fine with them removing 3d spotting but if they want it to be truly effective

they gotta do something with it

[solid hinge]

i love apex ping so much

information is very useful

[maiden lantern]

but 3d spotting is the best

[dusky saffron]

no

[maiden lantern]

yes

[dusky saffron]

"ping that highlights enemies for 5 seconds"

yeah okay

[midnight nimbus]

3D spotting shouldn't have been nuked

just reworked

[dusky saffron]

apex ping is probably the best version of a ping out there

[midnight nimbus]

change it to passive spot, pair it with Apex ping

like if you stare at someone for 5 seconds and track them with your mouse, you clearly see them and should be able to mark them for spotting

[maiden lantern]

3d spotting in bf4 was so good that i would play by looking at the minimap and not the game

[midnight nimbus]

minimap spot is retarded, only recon should be able to do that

[maiden lantern]

no

[midnight nimbus]

you don't want players playing off the minimap alone

[maiden lantern]

was perfect in bf4

[midnight nimbus]

you want them looking at what's in front of them

metal gear online spotting pls

with how good flanking inherently is in BF, you need a check against sloppy flanks

[solid hinge]

metal gear online interrogations pls

[midnight nimbus]

BFH interrogations were dank

yes

[maiden lantern]

i wonder how they gonna do classes in firestorm

[midnight nimbus]

classes don't do anything in firestorm

bc everything is looting

kind of a shame tbh

[solid hinge]

they were gonna have something like that with a garrotte tool for the paratrooper archetype thing

[maiden lantern]

imagine playing medic with inf heals lol

[midnight nimbus]

garrote is in the files

but idk if it'll be used

[solid hinge]

god please give it to me

[maiden lantern]

wots that?

[midnight nimbus]

I mean medic in firestorm could should just work like lifeline in Apex

[solid hinge]

i want a stealth flanker recon that can pull off interrogations

[midnight nimbus]

you have heals on demand, but on a cooldown

[maiden lantern]

id be fine wth that

[solid hinge]

or an AT rifle

[midnight nimbus]

based Apex, making things work on cooldowns

the way they should be

[maiden lantern]

i think attrition is better for ammo and stuff

[midnight nimbus]

no

attrition is indefensible, no matter how you spin it

unless it's for BR

or PVE

[maiden lantern]

otherwise itll be like bf4 when someone drops and ammobox in the corner and camp on it

[midnight nimbus]

what's problematic about that?

[maiden lantern]

causes campers

[solid hinge]

who actually runs out of ammo in bfv?

[maiden lantern]

i do

[solid hinge]

like which guns

[midnight nimbus]

attrition for infy is bad, it's worse for vehicles

[maiden lantern]

the soumi @solid hinge

[solid hinge]

I see it on the vehicles a lot, but I've ran out of ammo on infantry a handful of times

[midnight nimbus]

attrition isn't necessarily bad because of the resource scarcity it creates, but more because of its implications on resupply

like in BF4/1, everything resupplies on different timers

especially when Ammo 2.0 was trialed

so the rate you resupply rockets with isn't the same as your grenade resupply rate, or ammo resupply rate

like you got smokes back really fast in BF1 compared to frags

[maiden lantern]

thats just annoying tho

[midnight nimbus]

now everything is on the same exact timer

because it's manual

[maiden lantern]

which is good

u dont have to memorise fucking timings to play

[midnight nimbus]

no, separate timers are far superior, because not all resources are equal

you didn't have to memorize timings

just look at the timer in the bottom corner

[solid hinge]

that's neat

i like that

[maiden lantern]

nah thats shit imho

[midnight nimbus]

Ammo 2.0 was going to be the ultimate refinement of this

where your resupply was variable with suppression and independent of respawn

so it virtually eliminated explosive spam

people were mad bc "oh this system only reduces nade spam by <10%, this is trash DICE"

but they weren't entirely correct

Ammo 2.0 reduced spam by <10% across all maps

but on maps with spam problems, like Fort De Vaux, you were getting like >90% reductions

without this, BFV has problems where you either lack resources when you need them, or if you're camping a resupply depot, you get stuff back way too fast

like if you camp an ammo depot, you can shoot out PIATs pretty damn fast

[solid hinge]

if you call supply canisters in you can have like 150% flare uptime

[midnight nimbus]

exactly

[solid hinge]

a canister on top of a depot

or two canisters

[midnight nimbus]

part of what i was saying when i say "BFV is too binary in design"

you either have way too many flares, or not enough

[solid hinge]

They last for longer than the cooldown is so you can have a couple up at once

[midnight nimbus]

you shouldn't be able to have up 24/7 flares like that at all

[proper tapir]

so we are supposed to get updated roadmap info for chapter 4,5 this week in dev talks?

saw one of the youtubers mention that

[solid hinge]

if they aren't gonna change how it works they could at least provide some incentive to shoot them down

you get 25 points for shooting an anti tank mine on maps with no vehicles but shooting a flare that has 70% of your team spotted gives you nothing apart from the warmth in your heart of being useful

[midnight nimbus]

muh physicality and attrition are too deeply baked into BFV

if the series makes it to another title, it needs to be abandoned

the BF4 vehicle ammo pool regen should be adapted and applied to everything

guns, gadgets, and vehicles

[maiden lantern]

ayy yes, finally got to ToW lv39

[proper tapir]

the set vehicle pool had its limits

at least now there's a bit more mystery to what you're facing on the other side

there could still be some sort of limit on what type of vehicles, classes, etc. - but that would be probably too radical

i wouldn't mind if they adopted some sort of vehicle point system like battlefront 2 had

so you had to essentially have enough points to spawn different types of vehicles

[lean bloom]

halo

[proper tapir]

did halo do that?

[stoic breach]

The battle point system isnt that good because there's no interplay between infantry and vehicles

[proper tapir]

i forget

[stoic breach]

Halo didnt have that

[proper tapir]

maybe vehicles could cost spawn tickets 😉

[stoic breach]

If they went with a battle point system it should've worked the way it does in CSGO

[proper tapir]

then watch your team waste them...

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, the lack of meaningful play between infantry and vehicles needs to be addressed first in BF

[stoic breach]

In Battlefront 2

[midnight nimbus]

infy and air pretty much have zero meaningful interactions right now

[proper tapir]

how do you improve play between infantry and vehicles? you mean just basic teamwork?

[midnight nimbus]

infy doesn't touch air, air farms infy

you have no tools to do much

[proper tapir]

they should add a few more heavy AA on the maps

[midnight nimbus]

incendiary bullet MMGs are memes

[proper tapir]

like 88s

[stoic breach]

I forgot those existed

[midnight nimbus]

you can't stand and get good angles on planes most of the time

and your damage sucks anyways

[proper tapir]

but if you could roll up on an 88 and put flak bursts in the air...

[midnight nimbus]

MG damage vs air needs to be buffed, and LMGs should get incendiary bullet options

recon needs an AT rifle

[proper tapir]

yeah AT rifle should definitely be a gadget

not sure what class though

probably not recon

[stoic breach]

In Battlefront, there are no rocket launchers or any anti-vehicle so if a walker gets destroyed you just buy another one

[proper tapir]

it could be a cool squad unlock

[stoic breach]

Battlefront 2017

[proper tapir]

would be cool if maybe there were vehicle tickets - only so many

but again would probably get wasted

it goes back to overall team coordination

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[proper tapir]

wish there was an in-game commander

[gentle pagoda]

like bf4?

[proper tapir]

who could allocate stuff

[gentle pagoda]

hardline*

i dunno

[proper tapir]

commander wasn't in game so it was terrible

just some guy on a tablet trying to rack up points

[stoic breach]

Even DICE devs miss the commander app

[proper tapir]

it was a great idea

but would be even better if the commander was in game

same concept though

sending objectives to squad leaders

maybe allocating some weapons or resources

just as a basic they should let squad leaders see what other squad leaders are going

[stoic breach]

Alot would have to be reworked

[gentle pagoda]

radar jam

[proper tapir]

yeah...

[midnight nimbus]

recon should get AT rifle

[proper tapir]

i still think an AT rifle should be a pickup

[midnight nimbus]

and no, commander was killed off for an excellent reason

[proper tapir]

recon with AT rifle would be obnoxious

if all recon had it

[stoic breach]

I never used commander

[midnight nimbus]

well depends on which slot its in

[proper tapir]

should be a pick up

[gentle pagoda]

whats the reason?

[proper tapir]

or something

[midnight nimbus]

make it like 80 max damage

irons only

bipod required

[proper tapir]

BF4 commander wasn't any good so i understand

[midnight nimbus]

like the MMGs

[proper tapir]

yeah already too much AT as it is

[midnight nimbus]

make it clear that if you're using it on infy, you're wasting ammo

[stoic breach]

They should have a flamethrower as a 200 point meme reinforcement

[amber notch]

What a name

[midnight nimbus]

no, assault has too much AT

[amber notch]

@gentle pagoda

[proper tapir]

they should have a real buffed AT rifle but limit it's use

[midnight nimbus]

AT isn't distributed well enough

[proper tapir]

yeah exactly lots of assault AT already out there

don't need even more!

[midnight nimbus]

no, the point is to give other classes AT

[proper tapir]

well everyone should be able to have at least AT grenades

or explosives

[midnight nimbus]

so you don't have to run assault on vehicle heavy maps

[stoic breach]

Rocket gun for Recon

[gentle pagoda]

@amber notch something wrong whit my name? 😉

[midnight nimbus]

that's literally what i'm saying, everyone should have some form of AT

doesn't have to be in the form of rockets

[gentle pagoda]

Panzer Grenade?

[midnight nimbus]

or even more AT nades

[proper tapir]

yeah i agree with that

but an AT rifle

that should be a unique find or something

[amber notch]

Every class needs a good AT device

[gentle pagoda]

pickup

[amber notch]

That’s it

[midnight nimbus]

btw, commander mode = an RTS game where none of your units are obligated to listen to you

[stoic breach]

Yeah I've been thinking that for ages but I didn't know how other classes should have AT

[proper tapir]

or a squad reinforcement

[amber notch]

None of this shit ass at grenade pistol

[midnight nimbus]

no, AT rifle is fine as a gadget

just needs to be made clear that it's a waste if you're using it against infy

[amber notch]

Glancing shot 2

😩

[proper tapir]

they should implement it the same way the could implement flamethrowers

squad calls it in

[midnight nimbus]

both should be gadgets

[proper tapir]

someone picks it up

[amber notch]

@gentle pagoda yes

[stoic breach]

And its a 1 shot kill

[proper tapir]

kind of like elite class mini

[stoic breach]

[proper tapir]

yeah or just really powerful

[gentle pagoda]

am i .... or is there no panzerschreck?

[proper tapir]

not yet

[amber notch]

Not yet

[midnight nimbus]

pick ups are silly bc 1) you can't guarantee them for yourself 2) you can't call them in when needed, especially if your squad doesn't cooperate

[amber notch]

Soon tm

[midnight nimbus]

AT rifle just shouldn't OHK infy

make it for anti-vehicle use

[stoic breach]

@midnight nimbus how do you feel about the Sector Artillery

[midnight nimbus]

@stoic breach rather have mortar gadget

sector arty is ok

[stoic breach]

Hm

[proper tapir]

i play with people i know so we are able to coordinate the squad stuff a bit better

but i can see with randos it would be obnoxious them stealing a cool heavy weapon

[midnight nimbus]

hence squad coordination shouldn't be a minimum requirement

[proper tapir]

they need a way to get flamethrowers and AT rifles in the game though

[midnight nimbus]

BF is by nature a game with randos

[proper tapir]

sort of

[stoic breach]

It always works as an area denial tool in Rush but I feel thats only cause it's Rush

[midnight nimbus]

flamethrower = assault gadget
AT rifle = recon gadget

[proper tapir]

it shines with a group of 4 on comms

[gentle pagoda]

@amber notch better name?

[proper tapir]

i think there would be too many then

the balance would be crazy

[amber notch]

Wait

No

[proper tapir]

flamethrowers everywhere

[amber notch]

I was joking

[midnight nimbus]

just limit ammo

[amber notch]

[proper tapir]

yeah maybe

[midnight nimbus]

and make the alternatives good

[proper tapir]

still think there should be some random 88s on the map

[strong parrot]

@amber notch and thats what you get for trying to joke with the lower class :^)

[amber notch]

When they actually believe you

[proper tapir]

punch holes in planes

[amber notch]

[midnight nimbus]

like if you had to choose between dynamite or flamethrower

that's a fair tradeoff

[stoic breach]

That is fair

[midnight nimbus]

some maps lend themselves to one more than the other

[proper tapir]

i guess - flamethrowers would be a lot cooler if they were rare

[stoic breach]

At least I can see fire

[proper tapir]

some dude runs up and torches a place

[stoic breach]

I cant see dynamite

[midnight nimbus]

well, you can force scarcity without making them a pickup

[amber notch]

@gentle pagoda change back

[gentle pagoda]

@amber notch why that

[amber notch]

I was only joking

[midnight nimbus]

you can force scarcity by forcing opportunity cost w/ your gadget tradeoff

[gentle pagoda]

my life is a joke

[amber notch]

Relatable

[proper tapir]

yeah but that's not exactly working with assault

[gentle pagoda]

👌

[proper tapir]

everyone runs panzerfausts and PIATs

and there are a ton

which is fine

[midnight nimbus]

even on infy maps like Rotterdam or Devastation, you would never pick flamethrowers over dynamite 10/10 times

maybe 5/10 at best

[proper tapir]

i don't know - city map would be good for flames

just think it should be scarce like it was on BF1

[midnight nimbus]

because dynamite can get people behind cover

[proper tapir]

had much more dramatic impact

[midnight nimbus]

like i said, scarcity can be created through opportunity cost

[proper tapir]

i do agree with you though that everyone should have at least some basic AT abiliity

[midnight nimbus]

like BF4 SOFLAM

[proper tapir]

right now medics can't even get by obstacles

[midnight nimbus]

an incredibly good gadget, but underused bc the alternatives were great

[stoic breach]

You reckon they'd add flamethrowers with American faction

[proper tapir]

yes

[midnight nimbus]

no

[proper tapir]

they better if they go pacific

[midnight nimbus]

because BF community hates gadgets

[proper tapir]

they have them in single player

they will make it into game

[midnight nimbus]

that was like a top complaint moving onwards from BF4

[proper tapir]

and if i had to bet as an inexpensive squad reinforcement

[stoic breach]

That depends on your coordination

[midnight nimbus]

i want the churchill croc flamethrower to actually be good

[stoic breach]

Which there is 0 of in random squad

[midnight nimbus]

needs to have at least like a 50m range

[proper tapir]

i think biggest gadget missing right now is mortars

[midnight nimbus]

yes, mortars are needed

100%

[proper tapir]

yeah

biggest glaring missing gadget imo

[midnight nimbus]

can't do anything about a tank camping outside panzerfaust range as infy

but tigge hates mortars

and BF community hates mortars

[proper tapir]

i think they'd work better in BFV with scarcity

you'd go rounds complete pretty quickly

[midnight nimbus]

we need reverse spread mortar

[proper tapir]

that's probably a good thing

we need multiple size mortars 😉

small mortars for support gadget

[midnight nimbus]

first round out is illumination round, which spots your targets for you. this doubles as fair warning for the enemy to get out

[proper tapir]

but some medium and heavy ones to unlock or osmething

yeah that's a cool idea

[midnight nimbus]

second round is less accurate, and you have to keep shooting quick to get them more accurate

that's how mortars work IRL

[proper tapir]

yeah would be cool

[stoic breach]

Sturmtiger mortar

For support

[proper tapir]

other gadget i'd like to see is some sort of air targeting smoke

[midnight nimbus]

in BF3-1, sniping people one by one with the mortar was stupid

mortar isn't supposed to be accurately used on single targets like that

you dump your explosives in one area

[proper tapir]

yeah

[midnight nimbus]

and the purpose in BF should be to get people to move

[proper tapir]

should be an area weapon

[azure lark]

Corned beef

[uneven oxide]

Ok

[midnight nimbus]

mortar should basically be the BF1 infiltrator flare

[stoic breach]

Alot of weapons are pretty binary in BF

[midnight nimbus]

the flare is your warning that explosives are about to rain down

[proper tapir]

yeah that would be cool - i like it

[midnight nimbus]

if you die to it, it's basically your fault

[devout crater]

Did they fix the When Lighting Strikes assignment bug yet?

[midnight nimbus]

you had more than enough fair feedback

[stoic breach]

Thats how Sector artillery works

But without the minimap

[proper tapir]

would also like to see some heavier mortars as a buildable emplacement or squad reinforcement

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, just needs to be a gadget

and include the minimap radius

[proper tapir]

yeah smaller version of sector artillery

[midnight nimbus]

just have mortar customization

[proper tapir]

but manual dropping rounds in the tube

[midnight nimbus]

you can pick bigger rounds, at the cost of capacity or rate of fire

[proper tapir]

again also want to see air targeting smoke

[midnight nimbus]

why

[proper tapir]

that you can throw on the groudn

[midnight nimbus]

that's what spotting is for

[proper tapir]

yeah but easier to see for air

[stoic breach]

I feel like 4 mortar players in a group would ignore any firerate limitations

[proper tapir]

big plume of colored smoke

[midnight nimbus]

and smoke obscures things, why would it be easier to see than a spot?

[stoic breach]

The problem is just alot of people with mortars

[proper tapir]

easier for air to see

[midnight nimbus]

air targeting smoke = shitty version of flares

[proper tapir]

draw their attention to an area

[uneven oxide]

I get his reasoning

[midnight nimbus]

flares precisely light up exactly what air needs to shoot

and tracks them as well

[uneven oxide]

Because pilots can see smoke better than a tiny spotting marker

[stoic breach]

Same but it probably wouldn't work unless planes could see through smoke which would be

[proper tapir]

yeah

it's the irl version lol

[midnight nimbus]

then make spots brighter for pilots

[proper tapir]

targeting smoke

[midnight nimbus]

it's not like spots are hard to see at the moment

pilots choose what to shoot at

[proper tapir]

well i never see them in the air

[uneven oxide]

The spotting marker is too small for flying

[proper tapir]

i'd see a plume

[stoic breach]

Bombers plus minimap is good enough I think

[midnight nimbus]

or maybe give pilots even more points for shooting spotted targets than what they currently get

[uneven oxide]

Ye

[proper tapir]

it's the ground coordination thing

[stoic breach]

Thats a good idea

[midnight nimbus]

brighter spots + more points solves your problem

[proper tapir]

actually providing meaningful CAS

i'd just say colored smoke instead of flares

[midnight nimbus]

pilots don't even need smoke though

[proper tapir]

maybe the smoke actually spots just vehicles within radius

[midnight nimbus]

just run JU-88

don't need to see where the enemy is

just guess

[proper tapir]

haha

true - but they do it randomly now

the smoke would actually indicate - WE NEED YOU TO BOMB HERE

[midnight nimbus]

the "colored smoke nade" is a battlenonsense idea that's actually just retarded

[proper tapir]

no interaction like that now

[midnight nimbus]

it's just reinventing 3D spotting, but making it worse

[proper tapir]

well it's what they did in WW2 often

marked targets

[uneven oxide]

More coordination with air and ground

[proper tapir]

yeah

[uneven oxide]

That’s what you getting at

[proper tapir]

that's all i'm saying

[verbal hinge]

is it possible to start previous tides of war and unlock their items?

[proper tapir]

it's like the bat signal for air

[uneven oxide]

No

[midnight nimbus]

like if pilots don't shoot at your spots, what makes you think they'll shoot at smoke, which is harder to see targets through?

[solid hinge]

people would throw those smokes randomly

[midnight nimbus]

^

[solid hinge]

and people would just move away from them

[midnight nimbus]

you can't create false positives with spots

[proper tapir]

it wouldn't be a major obscuring smoke

[uneven oxide]

You have to do it within the week @verbal hinge , or buy the reward with cc

[solid hinge]

I would prefer actual spots

[proper tapir]

it would just be colored, but visible

[verbal hinge]

@uneven oxide okay nice, so I can still get them 😃

[midnight nimbus]

pilots will eventually ignore the smoke nades once they learn that average blueberry is retarded and terrible at throwing them where they should

[uneven oxide]

You can get the reward you just can’t do the missions

[proper tapir]

maybe

[midnight nimbus]

you cannot create false positives with spotting

[verbal hinge]

What about the Lightning Strikes rewards? @uneven oxide

[proper tapir]

yeah but you can't see spotting until it's in your mini map and you're right on top of it

[midnight nimbus]

it comes down the issue of the BFV ping that i brought up earlier

[proper tapir]

smoke you could see a ways off

[midnight nimbus]

when my squadmate pings something, do i ignore it, or go towards it?

and how do i know if my squadmates even pinged something relevant?

it could be an accident

[uneven oxide]

@verbal hinge you can findwhere to purchase them in the customization screen

[midnight nimbus]

or a troll

[amber notch]

@solid hinge so you can use it as a meme

like your bayonet

[proper tapir]

i don't know - i reduce the amount i play with randos

[midnight nimbus]

same goes for colored smoke nade for CAS

[uneven oxide]

Yeah the LS rewards

[proper tapir]

my squad would use them effectively

it would be useful for us

to coordinate air strikes

[midnight nimbus]

as a pilot, how do i know it's not thrown by some trolling idiot?

i'd rather save ammo and ignore it

and go for spotted targets instead

[verbal hinge]

@uneven oxide so if they come in the shop I can buy them with CC as well?

[proper tapir]

that's fine

[uneven oxide]

Yes

[proper tapir]

that's the solo way

[stoic breach]

I had a thought about the Ammo 2.0 issue in BFV

[verbal hinge]

Because I just started and I am never going to reach lvl 40 with that "battle pass"

[midnight nimbus]

especially with limited ammo, false positives become a real issue

[uneven oxide]

For example right now you can buy the mosquito with cc

If you go into the replace véhicule screen

[solid hinge]

make AT rifle a replacement primary for recon instead of a gadget pls

[midnight nimbus]

nah, then it would have to be one shot cancer

[uneven oxide]

AT rifles don’t sound realistic

[stoic breach]

if everything was organised into brackets based on their ability to frag, and you had to hold down the interact button at a resupply station to get ammo back, the circle or bar would clearly indicate how long you have to hold to get specific ammo back

[midnight nimbus]

bc it's the MMG of sniper rifles

[stoic breach]

Based on cool downs and shit

I fucked my sentence hang on

[midnight nimbus]

@stoic breach why not have the cooldown timer in the corner next to your gadget icons, like originally intended?

[stoic breach]

You can have both

[midnight nimbus]

so you know how long you have to wait even w/o being near a depot or box

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

and if you are near a depot or box, having the other visual timer becomes redundant

too much visual noise

[solid hinge]

wouldn't have to be one shot!

[stoic breach]

You're not gonna be near an ammo box 100% of the game

And if there's only one timer on screen its even better

Or there's just set timers for everything

[solid hinge]

@amber notch when I get my AT rifle with bayonet you'll be sorry

[maiden lantern]

scout is dead in bfv

medic ftw!

[amber notch]

AT rifle + Bayonet = delete game file

[stoic breach]

Its not

[midnight nimbus]

if the AT rifle doesn't one shot, why would you use it as a primary?

[solid hinge]

For the tank damage

[maiden lantern]

it doesnt 1 shot? 😂

[solid hinge]

Utility benefit

[maiden lantern]

dice is actually being sad to scouts

[midnight nimbus]

you have a shitty version of the existing bolt actions for anti-infy, and for anti-vehicle, you have way too much ammo for any semblance of a balanced AT tool

[maiden lantern]

i remember i used to main recon in bf4 coz of the 1 shots, bfv ruined that for me

[midnight nimbus]

if you reduce ammo count to be balanced against armour, then you just have a really shitty version of the existing BAs

[stoic breach]

I dont think its hard to headshot people standing still

[amber notch]

wait

[midnight nimbus]

only reasonable solution is to make it a gadget

[amber notch]

could you theoretically kill a tank with bayonet

if you melee a mine

[maiden lantern]

kek

[stoic breach]

Try it

[maiden lantern]

u'd kill urself too

[amber notch]

yeah im good

[solid hinge]

i want to keep flares and spawn beacon but also have an anti tank option

let me have my gimmick build

[stoic breach]

Wait, you cant break shit with bayonet

Only other players

[amber notch]

[midnight nimbus]

put AT rifle in slot 2

[solid hinge]

the bolt actions are shit anyway what's wrong with adding a shitter version

[midnight nimbus]

alongside spawn beacon and the decoy

and make the decoy work like it did in BF1

[stoic breach]

General Liu in BFV

With lattey

[shrewd grove]

General Liu was the best

Such a fun medic weapon

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

too bad the Factory version sucked

Liu Stom was based

[solid hinge]

If you could put a spawn beacon down and then swap to the rifle while keeping the beacon like the mines or something that would be neat

[stoic breach]

Liu Storm rise up

[midnight nimbus]

spawn beacon should be selectable from either slot

[stoic breach]

The slot restrictions dont have enough shit to be meaningful

[midnight nimbus]

so you can run spot scope/flares + spawn beacon, scope/flares + AT rifle, or beacon + AT rifle

[solid hinge]

They seem to want to force each class to have their dedicated gadget thing

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, it's a mistake tbh

[solid hinge]

recon has to have a method of spotting (even if no one uses it)

[midnight nimbus]

support shouldn't be forced to run ammo

i think the only thing that should be forced is medic and health packs

[solid hinge]

medics with smoke and AP mines

[stoic breach]

But then you have the Battlefront 2 issue of supports being shields instead of support

[midnight nimbus]

AP mines should be support only

[stoic breach]

Which makes sense in a way but its limited

[solid hinge]

I agree with that

[midnight nimbus]

well, supports not running ammo was fine in BF4, bc ammo crates had auras

one support could supply for a lot of people

now crates kinda suck, so no one runs them

[stoic breach]

They could do it halfway

[solid hinge]

I guess the reason they haven't made mines support only is cause they don't have any other gadgets for medic

[midnight nimbus]

medic frag grenade launcher

[stoic breach]

Half aura, half pickup

[midnight nimbus]

nah, aura only

press E is dumb

[amber notch]

we already have people running around with piat and grenade launcher

[solid hinge]

i wouldnt mind su3re for regular bullets but pickup for gadget or something

[midnight nimbus]

like are you ever going to run up to an ammo box not wanting ammo?

[amber notch]

we dont need people running around with SMGS and a grenade launcher

[midnight nimbus]

no, just have different timers, like BF3-1

[amber notch]

its bad enough with people using both the piat and the launcher

fucking meme

[solid hinge]

tfw medics longest range weapon becomes a frag launcher

[stoic breach]

Its more that DICE are pushing "physicality"

[coarse thunder]

I go to boxes for the gadget resupply

[solid hinge]

please no

[midnight nimbus]

remove frag nade launcher from assault, move to medic

helps them at midrange too

which is currently an issue

[stoic breach]

Its like, aura for ammo, pickup for gadget

[coarse thunder]

No. Have the frag launcher occupy the same spot as the AT launchers

[amber notch]

oh yes

and people can go back to chucking tnt

[midnight nimbus]

no, assault should have to be AT

[coarse thunder]

So they have to choose

[amber notch]

and using a piat

😩

[midnight nimbus]

making them give up AT is dumb

[stoic breach]

Piat time

[amber notch]

just what we need

[midnight nimbus]

they just shouldn't have the nade launcher at all

[coarse thunder]

It's not making them, it's a choice

[solid hinge]

piat should be anti infantry

[stoic breach]

Assault should be AT at all times

Or most of the time

[amber notch]

piat basically is

[midnight nimbus]

medic carries one nade launcher, press 'V' to switch between smoke and frag

[solid hinge]

it's anti both

[stoic breach]

Piat is anti everything

[amber notch]

its good against infantry and vehicles

[gentle pagoda]

anti child

[amber notch]

1 shots planes

literally anti everything

[solid hinge]

I mean it shouldn't be so good vs tanks

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, assault's launchers have too much radius

[amber notch]

and jesus

[thorn wagon]

True

[solid hinge]

faust is shite in comparison

[midnight nimbus]

i'm ok with launchers being good against tanks if the turret turn rate limits didn't exist

[coarse thunder]

Assault launchers do more damage to tanks than actual tank shells do to tanks

[solid hinge]

No turn limit on turrets would be weird

[amber notch]

if the reticule worked on the minimap we would have a mortar

[stoic breach]

I feel like I'm forced to run assault when theres vehicles

[midnight nimbus]

turret turn rates shouldn't exist

[spiral prism]

Yes they should

[midnight nimbus]

> I feel like I'm forced to run assault when theres vehicles
and yes, this is a problem

[solid hinge]

imagine a tiger doing a 180 in 0.3 seconds

[thorn wagon]

They should add anti infantry mortars

[spiral prism]

no

mortars should not exist

[midnight nimbus]

better than a Tiger being forced to camp bc playing aggressively is currently a death trap

[solid hinge]

you could kill people by the sheer force of smacking them in the head with your barrel

[spiral prism]

that is because 95% of people are assault

[midnight nimbus]

@spiral prism yes they should, read above. mortar designed as BF1 infiltrator flare = perfectly fine

[spiral prism]

no

[midnight nimbus]

the reason why BF mortars have been AIDS bc it's instant death, no feedback

[spiral prism]

any form of easy kills like that

is a big no

[midnight nimbus]

add feedback, and it's fine

[stoic breach]

Mortars have just never been balanced properly

[spiral prism]

add feedback you are about to die

[thorn wagon]

Mortar should be for support though

[spiral prism]

from someone you can't counter

[midnight nimbus]

it's not "easy kills" if people have fair warning to get out of the way

[solid hinge]

easy kills
entire assault kit currently

[thorn wagon]

Battlefield 4 mortars were fine

[midnight nimbus]

first mortar round should be an illumination round

[spiral prism]

hell no

bf4 mortars were the dumbiest shit

[midnight nimbus]

your counter is WASD

[spiral prism]

literally free kills in bf4

[midnight nimbus]

move away from the flare and you're safe

[amber notch]

bf4 mortars the best

[midnight nimbus]

makes the point of the mortar as a dispersion tool, not free kills

[amber notch]

UAV ramming

😩

[thorn wagon]

Ooh yeah

[amber notch]

MAV kills

😩

[midnight nimbus]

if the mortar shot an initial illumination round, that's more than fair

if you die to it afterwards, you're an idiot and you deserve it

[amber notch]

honestly

[solid hinge]

with the lack of explosives its kinda difficult to dislodge multiple mmg campers

[coarse thunder]

Shoot the flare

[midnight nimbus]

^^ mortars = a fair MMG counter

[spiral prism]

UAV should not have existed

[midnight nimbus]

especially with illumination round

[thorn wagon]

The first shot of the mortar should be a flare to spot/warn enemies then after it is explosive rounds

[solid hinge]

tfw no incendiary mortar

[spiral prism]

Yeah because that is super easy to see

[stoic breach]

[spiral prism]

Let me look up

[midnight nimbus]

whats wrong with BF4 UCAV?

[spiral prism]

no counter?

easy kills?

[midnight nimbus]

it's basically TV missile for infy

[spiral prism]

literal bullshit

airburst on it

[midnight nimbus]

TV missile was ultimate skill

but UCAV, which is the same thing, isn't?

[spiral prism]

not the ucav

[midnight nimbus]

the BF doublethink

[spiral prism]

you can easily nuke 5-10 infantry with the airburst

TV required hitting flying aircraft that move fast

with a slow ass turnrate

[midnight nimbus]

you could just use a dpi toggle

[spiral prism]

while UCAV was "get within 10m"

[amber notch]

@solid hinge please no

[midnight nimbus]

to fix the latter

[spiral prism]

even with a dpi toggle

and yeah the tv could be bullshit

no counter

no warning

[midnight nimbus]

not saying the UCAV was great, but the common doublethink is that UCAV = noob, TV = skill

i think both are dumb to a degree

[solid hinge]

@amber notch I need more area denial tools

More fire

More gas

[spiral prism]

TV does take more skill than a ucav

hitting infantry with a 10m splash is easy

[stoic breach]

You cant dpi shift on console either

I just wanna point that out

[amber notch]

gas mortar

😩

[midnight nimbus]

dude UCAV blast radius was tiny

[stoic breach]

Gaswerfmeinen

[midnight nimbus]

what are you talking about

[spiral prism]

really

with airburst?

it wasn't

[midnight nimbus]

2m lethal radius for airburst

[spiral prism]

so 4m

[stoic breach]

@amber notch the gas launchers on the Apoc maps

[spiral prism]

not small

[midnight nimbus]

max radius was 5m, but that doesn't kill

4m diameter

but that's tiny in BF

that's like melee range

[spiral prism]

not on most maps

you ram it into a choke point

ez 8 kills

repeat every 45 seconds

[midnight nimbus]

well, that's their problem for clumping up in a choke point

[spiral prism]

You can't get countered

UCAV had no counter

[midnight nimbus]

counter = don't sit in a zerg

same with JU-88

anti-blob tools are an unfortunate necessity

[spiral prism]

You know the amount of times I got hit by a UCAV running to an objective by myself?

Enough to were I would quit

[midnight nimbus]

yes, the lack of fair feedback was dumb

but that's their problem for wasting their UCAVs on singular targets

[spiral prism]

When servers had 5+ people running a UCAV

defending something that was used to farm easy kills due to no counter makes no sense

[midnight nimbus]

i don't like the easy kills aspects on individuals

but i defend the UCAV's anti-vehicle use

[spiral prism]

What anti-vehicle

[midnight nimbus]

and its anti-blob use