#battlefield-legacy-titles
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i just use google images
modern combat 2 had the legendary mechanic of solider swapping mid combat. we need more of that in a bf single player
that sounds lame to me
Bf4 = my favorite battlefield
somethings wrong with u then

both of u
That’s my opinion..
bf4 is a lot of peoples favorite it seems
@dense bone check out the gamepaly. this game kicked ass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zesdl_KiuCI
dm me so i can find it later, at work
BF4 is only people's favourite because it was the last modern one and they need something to fall back on

ur trash
lets refrain from insults please
I loved being able to customize my guns, and all the attachments
nah
!r5
:information_source: Rule 5
Be polite and kind. Respect others if they have a different opinion. If you disagree with someone, you are free to do so politely, but don't make it personal and become hostile.
Man it was fun
Are there many hackers in BF1 pc? Especially in NA or EU server? Cos there are alot of them in Asian ones. :(
tf
ofc there is
I like the spec system of customisation
Gimmicky stuff is fun
ur justa gimmick
*bayonets you(
@solid hinge everyone has their opinions.
Doesn’t mean you’re right?
I am though that's the thing.
It's okay
BFBC2 is superior to all bfs
I know I'm always right
there is no doubt about it.
everyone else gets banned
i loved modern combat 2 because it took a truely uniqe outlook on combat that no other game has EVER repilcated whic if dice were to recreate that feature then BF would be the number 1 shooter

This guy
Battlefield play4free ftw!
Wasn't modern combat that one that let you control the different soldiers on the field
Or am I thinking of something else
lmaooo yall just googled the list of games and picked?
@shrewd grove yes
Do you guys its a good mechanics?
It would be interesting if DICE come back to it..
im cool with remastering
but do maps
no full games
especially when they're still releasing
I mean it could be anything with that mechanism
im expecting the next BF to not have sp
MC2 is where i first learned to drive. i hit EVERYTHING my first time lmao
sp =?
single player
my acronym game crap
Single player
Single player
Lol
yea I can see that
Probably
Campaign mode so pointelss to me
Yeah I’m bad with acronyms as well
It's what ppl requesting now
even COD dropped it, and their sp has always been held in better regards
yup everybody just wanna dive right into the online modes
If its modern combat then yea. If its in Vietnam era or smtg historical, i think there will be SP
bfv capaign failed becasued they copied the bf1 formula whic doesnt work. the stealth action was so overused it ruined the experience. i was expecting massive battles with hundreds of nps duking it out.
i fully expect the next bf to be modern or near future
yea im thinking full fictional next BF
We shud be going back
theyre trying to keep it authentic and kinda fall short on some stuff
And show us new techs
Battlefield: Crusades
so the next game go ahead and start a fresh ip

having npcs and players roam large open maps in alrge scale engagements where chaos reigns supremes. tha5ts a battlefield game
im putting money on bfbc3 next
Hope so
@dense bone you a dice Mole? Stop fronting lol
@@scenic beacon HMM BF TITLE WITHOUT GUNS?
i just might be
your guessing has been spot on
but remember rule 8
No need to balance gunplay without guns...
Flintlock rifle please.
@solid hinge no excuses play like a champion?
i have guessed a lot of things 
what im saying hes actging/claiming tgo be a dicem ole. if hes lying its rule 8 break
Lever action rifle
u never played chivalry then
But for real
FOR HONOR
damn ur good at being wrong
The first 2 AC do well with medieval
what
assassins creed
ohhhh yea ac online didnt come until brotherhood maybe?
Man your a God dude @solid hinge
isn't that cause you're on a totally level playing field in mnb?
You know all
yea it was like ac2 brotherhood or something
cause there was a stretch of them where you played ezio for like 2-3 games straigh
any good AC games for PC lately?
Im guessing they will make a bfbc3 or bf6 bc a sequel of bf4 ( so a sequel on the sequel of bf3)
(And after that hardline 2 they prob wont tbh)
bfbc3
i got 5 bucks on it
I had this one teamenemy in my squad who spawned on my PaK-Car and didn't fire at the enemy who was literally 30m away from us but didn't notice us
People like this should be permanently banned from using any vehicle in the game
And the "Get out" command is so useful that i didn't really noticed that it even exist
Just to be sure lmao
ppl use gunner position as a free taxi ride these days
It was the PaK gun
Bc lol
"let me just sit here and fire at everything except the enemy"
I intentionally used to kill a tank with
i have intentionally drove my tank into the sea because of a bad gunner
the frustration because he wouldnt get out
But no, Mr. I will sabotage you decided to use it and shoot anywhere else so the enemy notices and kills us easily
Also, how the fugg can enemy tanks push so much into your own territory and not get punished for it?
What map?
@charred heron you have no idea about crappy vehicle mates. I had a guy in my tank who kept shooting the resupply stations and blowing them up
That shoulf be a thing
One teammate would try to build it.. and once he got it built he’d blow it up and kill the builder
Kick squadmates who do this out of the vehicle and then from your squad too
Lel
God, the last guy who did it got us killed in the StuKa
But seconds before death he jumped out and out-of-bordered anyways
Honestly, those people shouldn't get into a vehicle in the first place
In like it when your bomber gunner jumps out as soon as you start getting hit by the enemy plane or aa
being a gunner in a plane is such a small brain thing to do
completely useless to anyone
Ye
including themselves
I honestly wish those people will land in their special plain of Oblivion where they have to walk on Lego bricks for all eternity
While being barefoot
Can i stop getting the brits
imagine if they added b-24s or b-17. the op would ruin the game
I want my JU88 C
those are strategic bombers, so they won't
i'm done with JU88c, can lay off the game for another week
i want ym poland faction
which specs are you playing ?
if your gonna make a ww2 game based on 1940 then you have to have poland as a faction. the mp is all wrong most of the weapons and vehiles are fro mthe late war not early war
ju without bombs is like,hmm,playing naked
for that i play a real fighter
who has some agility
those 2 250kg don't do much dmg
Firestorm looks awesome!
who needs agility when it downs bombers in 1 second of continuous fire ?
dunno,it just dosen't feels like something special
fighters even faster
flak 38 is ultimate trash
when i'm on a fighter and a bomber gets on my ass i've done something terribly wrong lol
it doesn't need to be behind, pretty easy to shred a fighter from any other vector
guess the C can be nice if you got some permanent gunners
it literally downs a fighter in half a second assuming your aim is perfect
maybe i'm lucky,but i've never been shot down by a cannon
i'm talking about 4x20mm variant
was talking about he big ones
Big Iron
4x20mm is fighter like,but without the agility
maybe it's just not my kind of plane/playstyle
but it doesn't need to be agile, you have HMGs in the back both top and bottom, and basically a one shot in front
still prefer the stuka b over anything on german side
I cant seem to get any progress on the sniper progress role challenge "draw the enemy fire with a sniper decoy 20 times"
if you have to man all those guns alone,well good luck with a spitfire on your ass
Anything im doing wrong?
wait what, seat switching is a piece of cake
dead angle is only from the sides
dunno about that assignemnt,ask the recon pro @solid hinge
huh?i just simply go a little up and down so you have to switch the rear guns,and in the mean time i can fire without interrupt
seat switching is like instant tho
yeah but you have to aim new
nope, they look behind by default
have you tried it at all ?
I've never used sniper decoys
a good spitfire behind me on the normal ju will take me down,or just outgun me
They're a total waste of time imo
aim is probably hard there
i have no idea what's the problem with the aim could be then
aswell as on the spit
you just point a gun with a mouse and that's it
sure,takes me half a sec and i'm out of your los
It's got limited angles
The cone of vision is noticeably small
hit yes,but the ju goes down first normaly
You can come from the sides
i mentioned the sides yeah
that bastard hmg though
they are proper dead angles
It's like a fuckin 20mm cannon on the back
but from behind it's just not working
i avoid the lower guns if possible ofc
there's no dead angle there
i shot down a lot of ju's with the spit,aswell as i've been shot down by them too
but on the other hand,the number of good pilots isn't that high imo
and i still haven't seen a plane shot down by the mosquito 6 pounder
Cant get the decoys to count for the challenge, so Im just going to have to resort to 10 throwing knife kills 😆
Good!
where are you playing at ?
do the decoys even work as they should ?like shooting that flare if hit ?
allegedly
eu mostly
mosquitos downing planes with 6pdr is more common than B2s with 37mms now
I haven't seen many of them

I cant get them to tick for the challenge, I get the spot, but it does not increase the counter
just today i was leveling JU88 we had tons of duels with 6pdr mosquitos
hmm think that spotting thing is bugged with anything,it's like if it has been spotted before it dosen't count ?
It's probably just a broken tracker
but how does the ju compare in a dogfight with the mosquito ?
blowing a mosquito out of the sky with the stuka b is easy af
Yee
all heavies have the same flight properties not counting the specs
Can i change my character/characters voice in bf1?
The game has been amazing so far but the bayonet charge war cries are kinda weird
Nope
blenheim aswell?that one always just felt like the most crappy one
and JU88c 75mm has slight advantage over mosquito 6pdr, it turns faster when going down
that's the pitch option ?
yep
left side spec ?
need to take it to unlock 75mm
The dive brakes, right?
yeah
yeah
I love dive brakes. It’s smart engineering
I wish they were properly animated though
was outturning mosquitos with it today, when i could do vertical loops
For me for big operations the big cannon and for eliminate planes the 4 machineguns
the most annoying thing is you have to take the camera, which can't replenish its ammo
4 uses and it's a dead weight
feels stupid
This plane is difficult to up
it's OP ofc, but they should balance it with long cooldowns
instead of limiting it to 4 uses per spawn
don't go for the 75mm to lvl it
In level 0 you have one machine-gun and 2 bombs 250 kg lol
lvl 0 sucks on any plane
But this is more difficult to up
Fjell or panzerstorm
Twisted Steel is unironically a good map for planes
so fjell is usually the fastest way
i prefer Breakthrough Hamada and Twisted Steel for leveling the planes, they often have large clusters of infantry sitting as easy targets
and you learn to fly 
Fjell will get you most spawns definitely
And Twisted Steel comes after it in rotation
twisted has very limited spawn but else i agree
and you gotta get a plane first
same on hamada
Yeah, true
and hamada hast usually all AA^s manned
I like taking a tank to G to cap/recap and blow up planes as they spawn
how does that work now with the new mosquitos ?
Try to put anti tanks mines
Oh you mean if you’re attacking a plane on the runway?
Luckily I’ve been able to 1 shot JU88s and Blenheims there
Haven’t had the opportunity to ventilate a mosquitonon the ground
Well they spawn at the end of the runway, but I suppose it’s a good place to hit resupplying planes
I’m assuming you could sticky a plane
that would be sooooo evil lol
I know the sticky grenade attaches
let it fly a while,booooom lol
gotta try that sometimes
maybe the range of the detonator is limited aswell ?
Yes
Now that’s something that could be worth testing
I figured out the decoy challenge, I had the pathfinder recon role activated. Switched that to sniper and boom got it so quickly like 15 seconds
well thats a frist
just saw an entire team with the same clan tag
just pubstomping a bunch of randos
What tag
i literally saw it and left the server so fast
What map and console
its PC and it was on Devastation but close to ending
Ok nvm
just had the defuse button cancel on me 3 times in a row halfway through
fuck this man
any one want to play on pc
the binos fucked up and got me killed too
there are two people on the other team who aren't level 50 and they're both above 40
this game is great post smoking
pre, not so much
all of a sudden the sheer number of ppl proning at any one time doesnt bother me so much
pls dice
remove prone
lmao i do better running around with a pistol than with any support LMGs
it's agony if you're not okay just laying down
like me
i rush like a madman
even my mmg play is a bit aggressive
Firestorm looks so good
my MMG play is super aggressive
and i do better with that than I do with any LMG
sigh
only took 1 game for me to stop playing today
I dont know what DICE supposedly fixed with their visibility update for prone players but it hasnt worked on console
I still cant see players corner camping
I lie down on my bed next to my monitor
And I play when its night
If I increase the brightness any more it's gonna look like shit
Gamma too
I dont know why it's still so hard to see players cause I thought Dice patched it
My playstyle is whatever
I do everything
Hm
I pretty much try to check corners when I run into a building, alot of the time when I get killed it's either because I checked the wrong corner and couldn't see someone or they were at a higher elevation
Or I didnt have peaker's advantage
Or my gun didnt have the range (like on Aerodrome)
But on Devestation it's just prone players and shit
Haha
Yeah if I lose to a prone player I can see it's my fault but it's generally because I can't see them
I wonder if firestorm customization will be different from MP
Would be a good way to trickle money from us
Knowing its ea behind it, it prolly will
What happened t boins
It's probably gonna be Firestorm cosmetic sets that you can use for MP
Boins are getting talked about next week
Yeah they said on twitter and shit
They say alot on twitter
They better release the cosmetics that have been in the game since day 1
Aint waiting 5 years for them to trickle thru ToW
They better release that pilot helmet
I wonder how fast firestorm will die out
Well I thought Apex was gonna die out but I was extremely wrong
Apex is free though
And made by respawn
Every game dies out eventually
Not the point
Better not
Hope they put all resrouces into MP
After firestorm
Get that tumor over with
They need to add an American voice actor who’s Texan
He be like “U S A, U S A” “MOVR out of the way US OF AMERICA coming through!”
I just dont see the whole thing working well
Like how do you balance a tank without making the tank OP or absolute garbage
I mean
I kinda like how BFV already has a free battle pass of sorts
It’s hard finding a good squad in rush
Yea
Imagine battlefield in vrfps
I hit max level maybe a few weeks ago as well so I've just been cruising
I wouldn’t buy a VR headset for bf
Hello
Would be weird asf when downed
It would be a HUGE disadvantage
Honestly, BF would be awful for VR
^
^
It's just not made for it
For all players phantom
Flying would be cool tho
That's what I want. Vr flying
Then just play WT planes in VR

EVE Valkyrie is also okay if you want it less intense
Ace combat is cool af for VR
But the closest i got to a decent shooter with "free" movement was Robo Recall
Lol
But Battlefield would instantly cause Motion Sickness
I didnt realise that Firestorm had a real helicopter in it, I thought it was just aesthetic but apparently 20 were made
3rd person on a tank and you try to keep your breakfast in
Easy

Probably same like a plane crash or a carrier catapult launch
Apparently I have 3 exclusive emblems

V1 rocket in Firestorm
Flare > V1
Wacky
Flare in br looks op as hell
Can I post screenshots somewhere? Idk if everyone has those
I've gotten two kills on people camping in Rush
Wait the reinforcement or the objective arty?
Reinforcement
Yea
But great with a flare gun
i got a vehicle kill with it a minute ago
Nioce
Lol
props to the archer for being that ballsy
Tractor in firestorm gonna be OP
Wow
The archer isnt that bad
But its better at range
So its even stranger someone tried to get a roadkill
Archer is better than stug imo
It has the same splash as 6pdr Valentine (not much) but considerably higher damage and a big old capacity
also spotting scope and a faster engine
stug just has exactly the same gun as the pz4
having a cool turret isn't enough
well.. if you have someone good in the turret the stug is probably better
How good is the new mosquito
but what do you do when someone is behind you
same thing the blenheims do
die ?
Can I post images here?
Die!
Nope
Oh ok
I have 3 exclusive emblems on my companion app and I don't know what they are, or how I got them since there's no info
Fancy
Deluxe edition?
No clue man
Oh I'm stupid
Yes im p sure I have the deluxe edition
I bought the revolution pack
idk either
but DICE except for the reveal trailer does choreography really well in their trailers
it's so lit

Well the reveal trailer was probably just a checklist for EA
Watch the official Battlefield V Firestorm Reveal Trailer — a new Battle Royale mode available to all Battlefield V players on March 25. Firestorm is Battle ...
skipped it but
this whole scene is just

Well the reveal trailer was false anyways
I forgot on my phone it opens a new browser and I have to sign in to watch it
get oof'd
Half the stuff on reveal trailer won’t show
The reveal trailer was what I thought combined arms should've been
I fucked my sentence
The whole games a meme
Most of my kills are bayonet charges lol
Also is there a way to equip my skins faster? Or do I have to do it manually
!LFG

Can’t wait for the armoury to not have anything new

What do you guys think about the Firestorm trailer?
Look dope
Got some Bad company vives from the Tractor and House shooting
Ju57 comfirmes
?
Inb4 the soldiers inside are still British
Even though you could literally just change the skins and not the clasp animation
why are you screaming
every time i get on bf4 it trys to sell me battlefield V
lol
I booted up my old bf4 copy on the ps3 and it tried to sell me bf1
wich I already have on pc
masterful bayonet

everyone hyped for some new cosmetics? 
I am
yep
the guy with the helmet is my favorite guy from the trailer
how he acts is just funny
how you can use tanks is so beast
Stanley acting as the “classic blueberry” in the firestorm trailer
rotterdam frontlines is the absolute best map for recon
I love it so much
wow the armory update .... is huge ... again ... 😦
was the last shop also 2 weeks and 3 days?
tfw the new armory not only has nothing new but it also took things away
let me think that we get boins at 1.4
I do not have an emoji to express my dissapointment
so have this

just 2 weeks and 3 days of no new armory stuff
😔
SMH
dont understand it why they just activate like one new skin per faction xD
would already be enough xD
What Is the point in armory
to tease us when they release screenshots and videos of all the neat cosmetics while giving us the same one from launch
did they?
NOOOO
I just want for whom the bell tolls for the British
A Brodie helmet with a gas mask
Or just an option to have no helmet but have hair
I’ve hoarded up so many coins
About 176,260 of them
haha yeah better you save the coins xD
no
Are the items in the shop purely cosmetic?
yep
the new items are 100% only for boins
I'd imagine the armoury will get new stuff at the beginning of the next ToW
I just got the game and I’m slowly learning everything
Soon™
Yeah hopefully next update, which would be next week
@barren relic no dont think all will for boins .... but the good one will be .....
Don't think so, but it will cost a lot of CC to buy them
When overture came out the epic rarity headgear cost 13,000
there you go
The new assignments they added have considerably increased rate of acquiring coins
Because they are repeatable meaning if you do one during a game that game can give you around 500-800 coins
Some are easier than others
Like a lot easier like the medic one
Others are a pain in the ass like the pathfinder one
It's good though
The get 20 kills ones dont track in CA I dont think
Idk if its a bug
If you see me me playing rush @Battlefield Rush I am arming the objective, I will flank you, their is a beacon I'm spawning on, and trust me I'm dropping Artillery, if you don't know the mode, get ready to know the road. I'm going to kill you

Hi
@amber notch
Alright
!ban 313321234576179200
:ok_hand: banned S.Armagh_Sniper - MBGA#0198
Yeah that was smart
That escalated fast
Lol
ANYWAYS
I missed something? lol
@sullen moth DM modmail
Thanks!
Np
hey man, my father raised me into a woman alright I was surrounded by woman for 13 years of my life
🤔
What the fuck did i just read
Idk
do you guys think Devastation is good for rush??
Devestation works quite well for it in my opinion
in my opinion it’s one of the worst rush maps I ever played
the attackers spawn close to objective while the defenders they spawn far .
And the game doesn’t automatically build fortifications
It's easy to be imbalanced, but on close games it's my favourite for it
I just hate how the game doesn’t build fortifications automatically
in other rush maps it builds them
the visibility is the worst thing
imo devastation is the best map for rush
^ I love it
if you dont like how fortifications arent built for you, play support.
and serious, i love devastation over all
frfrfr
then play support
If the other team rush then yeahhh
sure I’m just not a support main
even if I play the other team can rush and arm the objectives in a matter of minute
Yo mmg
still waiting for rsp
Yeah
Are you NA? 
so i can play 24/7 fjell without vehicles
I want sniper only
^ yep
rsp is what got me playing battlefield for along time
Yeah bolt only
Rsp is what keeps the game alive after official servers are down
Tanker class
@sonic rampart whats up
bf3 4 months of playing (without rsp) gets be bored as hell
yes i am NA
F
U
N
.
Restoration 100
H
Did you cook her tho?
H E double hockey sticks
i did actually

btw who hates “splitting players “
For 1 sec i thought you meant the nsfw way to read it
now I can’t find Middle East servers
smh tav
because of that
m i d d l e e a s t
Firestorm cosmetics?
n o r t h a m e r i c a
fashionfield
Oh
also did they really put old cosmetics from TOW on the store?
if so im going to rip my dick off
idk and im worried
Dice..
Explain plez
no it’s better so the “og” complaints wont happen
im too lazy to look it up because it will take long
Why did they remove the one eyed guy btw
there is no ToW stuff
Plz add him back



@untold cliff Make an nsfw comment again and you will be muted.
I didnt see that
Fr tho that'd be stupid if they brought old stuff back
Oof
sure they should bring similar things like hair n shit but not in the exact same fashion
Why am I still awake
idk
I got coffee tho 
GUSHDHFBGN
I feel futuristic
damb

You guys should look up a video contains all women screams warning : it’s nsfw
just lost a fucking long frontlines match because my absolute dipshit child of a teammate gave our tank to the enemy
and the 10 recons on my 16 team weren't helping tankbust
Ayla are you NA aswell?
Do assaults do their work?
10 fucking recons on frontlines twisted steel?
LMAOOOOOOO
There were 2 assaults
They did nothing
they don’t destroy a single rank

I busted every fucking tank as engineer
Got the m1987 from fresh to almost rank 4 in one fucking round
now you know how others feel when you play recon
good thing

But I couldn't break two tanks at once
I SWAP for tank busting
now?
And I don't go 3 - 27
let's see if this mode is better than the game itself
probably iwll be
looks like
I'm about to burst
everyone saying it reminds them of bad company
good
Bf5 will be remembered as the battle royale game
its funny when you get mad
For me it reminds me of nothing
music's good
too
actually got some better trailer makers
than that shitty teaser one
lol
Burn burn burn 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I repaired that Churchill for like 6 life's worth of hp

It ignored the repair station i made and pushed forwards with broken tracks
where nobody appreciates you
even when you go 70-20
sounds like a REALLY bad idea
dabmin you’re main is support?
trash noob using bipod

I main the mg42
and manage to get more kills than my whole team
I main the medic manage to get first place without kills

so like, if I want to basically use an smg i just use the mg42 with the 1200rpm spec
want an assault rifle use the fg42
I think you meant mp34
and the hipfire
flare gun as recon = instant win
on that mg42, needs to be nerfed
I mean mp28
its literally no existent
Its not working sad
no
oh half our team left
am i*
no fucking wonder
lmao planes
Ye bc
I use planes in fjell I just crash to the mountains
The spam isnt that huge as in locker
shit moderator promoting glitches

yes because saying because people could glitch into the C flag railings means im promoting glitches
let's try these slugs
big brain
It's not cheating, it's called using your resources
it’s a joke alright

Lets laugh now hahahaha.. 
I will confess I glitched in many battlefield games
@solid hinge also why is the kar so good
@solid hinge Try em! You won't regret it. It has stupid range on em
since you are a recon main
using op glitches online
you can explain it to me
for what?
if you promote glitches here and tell people how to do said glitch I will ban you
yes
stalin
Nooo I mean the game not discord
yes you will be banned for using an exploit
oh shit
if you randomly encounter a random bug u ok dawg
but technically it’s the game fault not me
if u trigger a bug for the sole purpose of winning or doing better say bye to 60$
I was playing rush on Devestation and this dude was Bren camping behind a plank where no one could see him
I trigger a bug for fun
or is it temporary
He also couldnt get out when I threw an incendiary
I did many glitches many op glitches in bf3,4,hardline
does this game have commander mode?
No
yeah i remember glitches in bf4
!jumbo 
where you could go inside the map
flashbacks playing commander app in my school
I should've done that
holy shit what a fuckin g idea the person at ea had
BFV needs something like that
hey guys what if you cold actually have someone play the game from school
It’s dumb that they discontinued it
Control the ring in Firestorm 
i have bad ocd and whenever i come back from a public place i need to shower or i will cry, and being able to play battlefield on my phone without showering was the best
Dabmin, did you see Westie’s video of his favorite BFV gun?
lol
yes
ok that's why we're getting wiped there's 3 separate platoons on the other side
Lol
i saw people in my school watching the bf5 firestorm trailer
what’s the best gun ??
fg42
like regular chads
honestly
ok thanks trying it
everyone is using it now "its so good what the fuck why didnt I use it before"
mp40 or suomi kp31
@amber notch kar is LAME
both amazing as well
yeah, now you normies are using it its going to get a fat nerf
Rekt
Yeah sadly I need support rank 16
@scenic beacon the muzzle flash makes me feel like I'm shooting buckshot i gotta get used to this
I’m at 2
relatable
@solid hinge Its the gunpowder still going off apparently lmao
i tried bf5 on xbox 1 after 2 years without playing on a controller today
and you got rekt
@scenic beacon is... is that how that works?
and i was shit, but it felt like the guns were more accurate and had less recoil?




