#battlefield-legacy-titles

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half wolf
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you know, for such an underpowered class, I'm still surprised sniper gets picked so often

fair hedge
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Everyyyyyyy body and there mom plays assault

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Yeah I don’t understand why so many people love sniper

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It’s very limited on how it can fight

half wolf
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I switched to assault and started shredding with my M1A1 3x scope loadout

rapid moth
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I really like the sniper class, and I try to coordinate with others to play a useful class

half wolf
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it's super fun and easy

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but I feel so dirty using it

fair hedge
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Coordination is key

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I love finding random squads that just know what they are doing

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It makes the game so fun

rapid moth
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Oh its the best, but randos never have F'ng mics

half wolf
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ffs i just got randomly blown up by a friendly tank

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what the fuck happened?

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tank shot, I said "killed in action" and just died

fair hedge
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Lol

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I want to find a good squad of people to run through all of combined arms and all difficulties so I can get that sweet sweet company coin

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It would take a while but it’s like 15-20k company coin

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That’s like one helmet if you get a good deal 😏

azure lark
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I thought the max cc you can get from combined arms is 3,000

fair hedge
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It’s 500,1000,1500 (easy,medium,hard)

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I haven’t heard of a limit, maybe there is

jagged vector
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It’s bugged currently

fair hedge
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Oh great

jagged vector
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So by completing a difficulty 1 time, it voids the reward from the other missions

half wolf
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64 player breakthrough

5 supports, 1 medic total

fair hedge
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Lol

jagged vector
mild widget
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hi

solid hinge
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People have a hard on for bolt actions even though they're shit with them and don't spot

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You'll have 5 recons at the bottom of every match with a 1-11 kd who haven't spotted a single person all match

mild widget
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lol

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facts

solid hinge
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it doesnt work!!! you people lie me here

half wolf
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man, my KD legit triples when I switch to assault

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until I run out of ammo

solid hinge
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i cannot get the last assigment because i always die when i attack objective

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been 4 days

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always tanks gets blow up because i rush enemy objective

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I picked up a m1a1 big mag as a recon one match of hamada breakthrough

midnight nimbus
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maybe locking medics to CQB weapons in a game that's primarily mid-long range wasn't a good idea 🤔🤔🤔

solid hinge
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that stupid assigment!

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It was... terrifying

dusty sluice
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Haven’t skipped a ToW objective yet but I’m buying the stug, have the worst luck with it and I’m done

solid hinge
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Every time I flared i could actually kill people who were spotted

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A 31 mag! That's so many kills!!

jagged vector
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@solid hinge I told you yesterday to stay outside the objective when attacking

half wolf
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I KNOW

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M1A1 bigmag is so fucking disgusting

solid hinge
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It's not even not accurate

jagged vector
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That way you don’t die and the cap stays red

half wolf
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M1A1 bigmag, high velocity bullets, and 3x scope

solid hinge
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And I didn't realise how fast it could shoot

half wolf
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it's so fucking good

solid hinge
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spamming that trigger with every shot on target

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absolutely brutal

half wolf
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and it makes me so sad because no class has guns that even approach the level of assault guns

solid hinge
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It's not like it even runs out of ammo

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Assaults should have far less reserve ammo

midnight nimbus
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or maybe everyone should have more ammo

half wolf
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I run out of ammo mainly because I'm bad at scavening from corpses, and supports will literally never give me ammo

solid hinge
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No one runs out

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It's really easy not to run out of ammo

midnight nimbus
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so that assault isn't encouraged to camp boxes

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ammo limitations in FPS are stupid anyways

solid hinge
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Assault has light infantry perk, it's even easier for them not to run out

midnight nimbus
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mechanics for shitters

solid hinge
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Run over one body and pick up another 16 shots for your m1a1

half wolf
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and it takes like 5-6 to actually kill

solid hinge
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Bolt actions pick up like.. two shots from a corpse

half wolf
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medics get what, 6-7 shots from a corpse?

solid hinge
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takes so long to get through them you never run out though

half wolf
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man, I think I'm done fucking around with support. DICE clearly wants you to play assault, and only assault.

solid hinge
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Medic is the class i come closest to running out on

midnight nimbus
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I only use rapid fire Suomi on medic

solid hinge
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I don't really understand the point of support other than being tank repairers

midnight nimbus
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play shotgun medic

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I only play support to use the Bren

solid hinge
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Lmgs are inferior to semis and assault rifles

midnight nimbus
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LMGs are better than assault rifles

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not better than semis

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until Chauchat drops

solid hinge
jagged vector
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I, for one, welcome the chauchat meta

wind pendant
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wow, random squaddie stole pakwagon and drove right into a tank and 3 assaults

half wolf
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@midnight nimbus LMGs are not better than assault rifles. ARs have better TTK and in general comparable recoil, except to the Bren.

wind pendant
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ignored tank even

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didnt even point gun at tank

solid hinge
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tfw every single support is either running maximum BRRRT or has a 20 detatch mag bipod turner

half wolf
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The only AR that is comparable to LMGs in terms of fire rate is the Ribeye, which also gets a bipod

solid hinge
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ribey is also way more laser

half wolf
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Exactly. Way less hrec and spread

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And faster reload

jagged vector
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FG42 needs ribey stability

midnight nimbus
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ARs have spread increase

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LMGs don't

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and LMGs have decreasing recoil

half wolf
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But LMGs have low enough mags that it doesnt matter. And a gunfight is usually won in the first few shots, not the last few of the mag.

solid hinge
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it feels more like a pain in the ass to shoot the bren than the ribey

midnight nimbus
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spread increase matters

half wolf
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No, it really doesn't.

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It's miniscule with the ARs anyway. If you're shooting at a range where spread increase is making you miss, you're pushing well into semiauto w/ scope territory

midnight nimbus
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it's not

half wolf
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The bren is a laser, but if you shoot at anyone that is shooting back at you, you'll die first. It's the slowest TTK automatic weapon in the game IIRC

midnight nimbus
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spread increase begins to impact you pretty quickly

idle breach
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lewis is just good.

half wolf
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Lewis is mediocre. I hate the low RoF

fair hedge
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Lewis is great

idle breach
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it's a spotting scope.

midnight nimbus
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remember that BFV spread increase is just the next logical evolution of BF1's spread increase

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you effectively have FSSM

fair hedge
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accurate, don’t even need a bipod

idle breach
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lewis is a hybrid weapon. it's a gun, and it's a spotting scope.

midnight nimbus
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LMGs just sit at their stupidly low base spread

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and being able to spot is nice on Arras and Twisted Steel

solid hinge
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Lewis has low rof but it really can shit on anything you're aiming at

midnight nimbus
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shoot people when they think they're safe in foliage

shrewd grove
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I love playing support

midnight nimbus
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give everyone the "where tf did I get shot from?" experience

idle breach
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lewis is just like 'oh yeah fuck you I got 50 rounds left'

shrewd grove
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If anything a good support is more useful than it's ever been

fair hedge
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Mg42 is the oh yeah fuck you I got 150 rounds left

solid hinge
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I'd still prefer the ribey most of the time usually

idle breach
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yeah like

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yeah try that peekaboo I got 150 rounds left

deft fossil
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Jesus fucking christ the last TOW assignment is the most annoying task in months... makes me hate this game

solid hinge
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headshots you while you're proning

midnight nimbus
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Ribey velocity is kinda meh

fair hedge
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I’ve only got 3/20 so far for the stug

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Scared I won’t get it

solid hinge
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What is it's velocity? Compared to the bren

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I'm just gonna buy the stug

idle breach
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assignment

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just

solid hinge
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Still on 0 kills

fair hedge
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I don’t like sitting on base waiting for a tank so I rarely get the chance to get one

deft fossil
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I am at 16/20, 2nd day trying to grind it

idle breach
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spawn with AA tank, kill some bunch, grab some MG on tank or halftrack

shrewd grove
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Ribey is overrated imo

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Crutch gun

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🛌

deft fossil
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First time I legitimately consider just skipping it

half wolf
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@shrewd grove a good support is useful becaus enobody has any ammo lmao

shrewd grove
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That's what I mean

idle breach
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I killed like 5 by tank and 15 by halftrack

shrewd grove
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I feel a lot more helpful than I did in BF1

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In BF1 you were just a grenade resupply point

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BF4 you never ran out of ammo

idle breach
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mortarman

deft fossil
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yeah except everytime I hop into halftrack then 3 enemy tanks emerge from over the hill and Im fucked

idle breach
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try on 'normal conquest' server

solid hinge
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I played some BF1 and now I cant play 4 for shit

idle breach
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it would be easier since usually people are done with assignment there

fair hedge
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I used the ammo crate for the first time in like a month or two and was surprised when my crate didn’t fall through the ground

solid hinge
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lol

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Oh

shrewd grove
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I never use the crate anyway

deft fossil
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Im trying to grind it on panzerstorm and aerodrome since the hangar is pretty good, but its still annoying as hell

idle breach
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less tank seat crazy black friday shit goin on in conquest or other mode

solid hinge
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The crate is even better now because you can bipod on it

midnight nimbus
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idk Ribey is pretty low

solid hinge
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It set me up for a nice point defence with the mg42

midnight nimbus
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I think it's in the 600 m/s territory

fair hedge
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Interesting

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I’ll try that out later

midnight nimbus
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plus, no reason to use the Ribey when the M1 exists

solid hinge
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So it's faster than the g98? That ain't too bad

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The m1a1 feels too evil to use

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also it hurts my finger

midnight nimbus
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G98 is 700 iirc

shrewd grove
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M1A1 feels less evil than G43

solid hinge
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G98 is 600

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Krag and Kar are 700

midnight nimbus
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Kar98 is 700

solid hinge
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Lee is 500

idle breach
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lee feels like shooting arrow

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of fucking course. it's british rifle

solid hinge
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I'm pretty confident i remembered the snipers right but i can't remember anything else

idle breach
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it's just 10 round longbow

solid hinge
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other than the mas and it's 920

idle breach
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SMLE is bascially 10 rounds longbow. change my mind

deft fossil
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actually makes me wonder how are they gonna classify M1 Garand when it comes, the logical thing would be to put it as Semi auto for Assault but I feel like stats wise it will be technically a SLR for Recon

idle breach
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yeah me too

solid hinge
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I'm guessing it'll it a slr

idle breach
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maybe

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put it on semi

solid hinge
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Makes the ping all the more satisfying

half wolf
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theres no way they're gonna not put the most iconic American gun of the war, not in the most popular class in the game

idle breach
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and just go with 8 rounds, and quite fast reload speed

solid hinge
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plus they don't need any more goddamn semis

idle breach
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would be fun twist

deft fossil
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yeah I reckon it will be something closer to RSC

idle breach
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yeah but they'll add more guns so

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I don't want just more similar weapon, I want different weapon

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that's why I love so much m/42

deft fossil
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also, Garand had an optic variant in WW2 so it wouldnt be entirely non-authentic to put it as a SLR

idle breach
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yeah buty

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but

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it would be like some

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2 rounds more SLR, nothing special

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but in semi, it would be fun

solid hinge
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I am only one yet to unlock the class 20 weapons?

fair hedge
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Is the stug even any good?

idle breach
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I find stug pretty good

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if you have the gunner

solid hinge
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why they so hard to unclock? I got lv50 way back in 2018

shrewd grove
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Stug is great mainly if you have a dedicated gunner

fair hedge
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Hm

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Darn

solid hinge
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but i still cannot get tommy gun or mg24 or any lv20 weapon

idle breach
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@solid hinge you'll getting it in no time buddy, what is your problem? like class?

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medic and support?

half wolf
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its the bug where if you unlock the gun and leave the game before the match ended

fair hedge
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I haven’t gotten any of the other classes but I finished support mastery within a few hours of constant playing

shrewd grove
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Medic and support were the easiest to level up imo

idle breach
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  1. assault - you just need to shoot and kill
  2. medic - you could just heal smoke and revive. you could go killing medic but if you're tired just try that
  3. support - similar. throw ammo. great point earner
  4. recon - FLARES
fair hedge
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Support is very easy to get up to twenty just spam supply and get a big magazine

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I’m working on my assault rn

shrewd grove
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I mastered every class pretty easily

fair hedge
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Lvl 18

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I only care about the outfits

dense bone
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just PTFO

shrewd grove
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Recon and Assault were the only ones that required any grind

fair hedge
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Lol

dense bone
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best way to get levels...

idle breach
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yeah

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remember to get points from capping

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and stay with your squaddies if possible

half wolf
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recon and medic for me are the grindy ones

dense bone
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SPM is the main thing for leveling up

fair hedge
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Recon is gunna be the hardest for me

dense bone
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the only grindy one for me was support because i didnt like any of the guns till i picked up the lewis

fair hedge
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I’ve just never been good with sniping

idle breach
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you don't need to snipe

dense bone
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imo dont play recon for sniping

idle breach
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you just flare

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and pop lvl 20

dense bone
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go model 8 or rsc

fair hedge
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Bf1 was okay for me because there was some nice mid range snipers

idle breach
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slr is quite fine

fair hedge
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I tried the mode 8 and it’s not bad

idle breach
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i mostly lvl up my recon using flare, selb

dense bone
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model 8 imo is great up close, you gotta have good aim though, but as long as your hitting 50% of your shots youll do fine close to med range

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the only frustrating part, is knowing if you played any other class youd probably do way better

solid hinge
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It's fun playing gimped though

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Two kills max in a mag

dense bone
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3 kills max

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for rsc

deft fossil
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oh god I hate model 8, still yet to reach level 10 with it

solid hinge
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That's not the model 8!

dense bone
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@deft fossil i have the most time on the model 8

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oddly

solid hinge
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The rsc feels better for hipfire than the model 8

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Model 8 better at aiming

shrewd grove
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RSC strong

deft fossil
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to each his own, I am more of an RSC guy

dense bone
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rsc irons are poo imo

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kpm on rsc is 1.6, kpm on model 8 is 2

solid hinge
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It's got a bayonet so I use it sometimes but i like the model 8 more

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Not that I use either over the krag unless I'm really not feeling it

dense bone
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still have yet to use a bayonet

solid hinge
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Nyphon....

dense bone
shrewd grove
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Ayla is the biggest bayonet advocate

dense bone
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her and alt

solid hinge
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Alt has way way more melees than me

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I just love it

coarse thunder
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Always choose bayonet over bipod

shrewd grove
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I'm happy with the bayonet buff

solid hinge
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It's fast!

dense bone
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when we played together he got a lot of melee kills

solid hinge
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I'm not sure how he does it

dense bone
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in that 1 match he has more melee kills than i do in total

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granted, i very rarely go for melee kills

deft fossil
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I choose either bayo or nothing, but the lack of speed boost when charging is kinda disappointing

solid hinge
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90% of the time I go for a melee the execution doesn't work and i die

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There's a speed boost now

dense bone
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^

solid hinge
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It got buffed

shrewd grove
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It just got one

deft fossil
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oh? nice

coarse thunder
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Melee got slowed down a lot in BF5

dense bone
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i just poke them a couple times then they shoot me

coarse thunder
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Especially knifimg5

solid hinge
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Heavy melee best imo

shrewd grove
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I do pretty well with melee

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I love my coupe coupe

deft fossil
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oh man, I miss being able to break wire with melee

shrewd grove
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I still break wood with it if I need to set my gun up somewhere

deft fossil
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@shrewd grove Coupe Couple 4life 👏

solid hinge
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tfw can't smack the stag with a hatchet for 2 damage

deft fossil
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IMO they should make it so that certain weapons can break wire like in BF1 but it takes more than one hit so building wires wouldnt be completely useless

shrewd grove
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Coupe coupe and hatchet work the same the coupe coupe just looks better

deft fossil
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better than spending a grenade on blowing that shit up

shrewd grove
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Heavy chopping weapons still break wood

solid hinge
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Assaults have like 5 things that can blow wires up

coarse thunder
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Medic should get a satchel charge that can only be "interacted with" on fortifications in order to help them destroy stuff but not outright kill people

shrewd grove
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That's all I need

solid hinge
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they don't need to be any worse

shrewd grove
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@coarse thunder that's why we need bangalores tbh

coarse thunder
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Yeah

solid hinge
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Wires take a while to build and one piat can blow up like 4 of them

deft fossil
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yeah but if you are not play assault then its a different story

solid hinge
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That's what you get for assaulting when you arent an assault

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:f

deft fossil
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Im just not a fan of spending explosives on fucking wire

solid hinge
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Support gets the AT pistol

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Only medic and recon have to waste a frag on them

shrewd grove
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I love my support explosives, the sticky grenades are quite useful

coarse thunder
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As much as I hate advocating for more explosives, medic needs something

solid hinge
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Alrighty then! Multiple people are typing

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Now then

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Battlefield 3 co-op on the PS3

shrewd grove
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🛌

solid hinge
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I could use a LFG channel, you're right, but i guarentee you every single outlet for that is dead and i'm only getting people with KB internet

midnight nimbus
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SLRs need headshot sweetspot

solid hinge
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so...who's up for it

weak violet
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Aye guys

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I got the picture of a match of me only using flares and how much points i got

coarse thunder
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All snipers should oneshot bodyshot within 10 meters

solid hinge
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If slrs get a headshot sweet spot the bolts become obsolete

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I specificly went spotter only, no firearms

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and i got like, first place on my team point wise

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Granted I did have flares and people probably spontaniously combusted

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(the other use I have for flares)

dense bone
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slrs should get 1 shot headshot under 10m or something tiny

deft fossil
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1m

dense bone
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lol hell id take it

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i hate hsing someone super close for it to be same exact as a ranged hs

solid hinge
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Flares are solid for points

midnight nimbus
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CQB OHK ew

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just use a slug shotgun for that

deft fossil
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Flares are such a rare sight for me to be honest

midnight nimbus
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sniper rifles should OHK at range

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because they're long range weapons

fathom pebble
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good thing they can't see me

coarse thunder
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🤔 no

fathom pebble
weak violet
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@deft fossil When the enemy defending team is spamming flares it sucks

coarse thunder
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Shoot them down

weak violet
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You always are spotted

deft fossil
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Wait so if I don't see a flare then it means that the flare doesnt see me aswell, right?

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Im just gonna walk around looking at the floor from now on

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To be honest tho, I dont think it's as bad as BF1 where you were pretty much within flares range 90% of the time you played

solid hinge
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Bolt actions get a damage increase the further the bullet travels?

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i like that idea

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makes running around hamada sound even scarier

deft fossil
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I liked that idea at first too but then my mind is racing to the worst case imaginable, and I picture a bunch of people sitting on the edge of the map to max out their damage and pick people off

solid hinge
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edge of spawn point camping is now a viable strat

wraith abyss
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does nobody use the roles?

solid hinge
weak violet
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Anyone else having trouble finding a match in breakthrough

wraith abyss
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is empty

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lmO

solid hinge
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It probably deletes your message afterwards

wraith abyss
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just figured that

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out

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lmao

solid hinge
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I am only one who found 3d sound its really bad you not hearing like half of the sounds in the game

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i gone back to steero and virtual surround and i can hear a lot more now

elder junco
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Anyone excited for Tides of war 3 We will get a new map with it

weak violet
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Loving the seblester 1906

elder junco
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Greece

solid hinge
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@elder junco well its on the calendar

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if they dont delay it again

elder junco
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they wont

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I hope

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I hope Greece is a good huge map

solid hinge
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still 1 map its really low content compared to bf1 in march we got 4 maps +2 more after

elder junco
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Yeah but atleast its something

solid hinge
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i dont think it will be huge map... because panzersotrm was huge so next one will be small or mediuam size map

elder junco
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I wonder whats after trial of fire you can barely see it on the roadmap

solid hinge
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map wont have tanks probably just people and planes

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there is nothing after that

elder junco
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Yeah there is

solid hinge
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they bad at plannings

elder junco
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You get a slim glance at something else after trial of fire

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It starts with FC

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Nothing else

mint cairn
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@everyone

solid hinge
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there is not thats just made so it looks like there is something else after it but there is no because if there was DICE would have given us the full release plan like they done in the past with bf3 bf4 bf1

mint cairn
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anyone wants to play ?

solid hinge
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they dont even know what to do...

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so bad

elder junco
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I hope the next battlefield is either Vietnam or another modern one

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Vietnam would be cool to see though

halcyon phoenix
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anybody want to squad up on Arras teamdeathmatch

solid hinge
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Well

elder junco
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does anybody know a good external hard drive to buy?

halcyon phoenix
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How many terabytes and how cheap?

real moth
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where do i post suggestions

fair hedge
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@elder junco the wd passport is good

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And cheap

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1tb $60

real moth
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@DICE NERF STUKA CANNONS NOW

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@EVERYONE

fair hedge
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I think it may be ~$50 on amazon

real moth
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@ALL

solid hinge
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Stuka cannons aren’t crap

halcyon phoenix
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i found on for 40$ with honey

solid hinge
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They are easy counters

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@real moth

real moth
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SHUT UP

solid hinge
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They are

fair hedge
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Lol

real moth
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stfu

halcyon phoenix
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ban

solid hinge
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Just go Spitfire is moquito

halcyon phoenix
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ban

fair hedge
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Ban

halcyon phoenix
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ban

real moth
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i dont do air

solid hinge
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Then go AA

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Or go air to counter

fair hedge
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Gets banned for spam 😂😂

real moth
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i needf the god damn hard ass challenge done

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so no

solid hinge
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Cause complaining here for the need

halcyon phoenix
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tank is great if you can get it but people hog them like air

solid hinge
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Of a nerf

real moth
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im not complaining

solid hinge
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On a easily counterabke weapon

real moth
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i asked for a place to post suggestions

solid hinge
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Yeah you are

real moth
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seems u r

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bye

solid hinge
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No?

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@real moth Well we all know you can’t have a meaning full discussion.

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cause Ik how to counter then easy

untold cliff
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screaming in my

jagged vector
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Do I smell salt

elder junco
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Anyone have the thompson on battlefield its really good

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Its mostly the only gun I use other then the ZK

dense bone
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thompson was my go to smg pre suomi buff, no i use suomi or mp40

midnight nimbus
#

rapid fire zoomi for the biggest brain plays

dense bone
#

ew

midnight nimbus
#

go for maximum tilt

#

shotgun medic

crimson orchid
#

Hey, this is just your daily reminder that battlefield will never be a competitive game and you can stop tryharding in pubs

dense bone
#

i like try harding as much as i can, even though i know its meaningless

midnight nimbus
#

farming in pubs is the only way to play

dense bone
#

im just trying to win the way i think i can win without being cheap about it

midnight nimbus
#

gotta play as cheap as you can

dense bone
#

nein

midnight nimbus
#

why put yourself at unnecessary disadvantages

dense bone
#

if it was for money or something i deemed worth, then i will use everything i can

#

but i like being able to put up good numbers and no one say i got it playing cheap

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(thats why i stopped using the g1-5 and tried cutting back on semis)

solid hinge
#

Ok im bouta head out

#

12g bouta go off

fresh cargo
#

Hey guys, random question: do you know anything about that supposed battle royal on bf5 ?

tight tusk
#

coming in a couple of months

#

you can ride tractors

#

probably gonna be similar to airborne in grand ops in terms of how it starts

fresh cargo
#

no story like deploying on normandy or something ?

tight tusk
#

oh lol

#

no idea

dense bone
#

@fresh cargo its supposed to be out with the next TOW, which is in march, its squad only, 64 players, and biggest map in bf history

fresh cargo
#

OMG I'm hyped. Maybe i'll find someone to play with on this group

dense bone
#

according to my guesstimation and math the map will be around 3.5km^2

tight tusk
#

oof

#

big boi

dense bone
#

its smaller than fortnite and pubg sanhoks mapss

#

which makes sense, since its less players

tight tusk
#

mmm

fresh cargo
#

smaller than sanhok ? i thought that map was small already

dense bone
#

the biggest bf map is around 2km^2 iirc

#

@fresh cargo well.. im just guessing and using what they said and info i can find. but it makes sense for bf to look towards pubg for inspiration. sanhok is a lot of peoples favorite map in pubg

#

but since firestorm is gonna have 64% of the player count, why not just scale that down for bf?

sonic mantle
#

can someone help me become bad at battlefield 1

tight tusk
#

which ones sanhok again? havent played pubg in ages

dense bone
#

sanhok is the jungle island

tight tusk
#

ah kk

#

merci

sonic mantle
#

please, i want to become a terrible battlefield player

dense bone
#

technically 2.6km^2 is 65% of 4km^2

#

so i guess the firestorm map range to be anywhere from 2.5 to 3.5 km^2

tight tusk
#

i imagine itll probably be closer to the latter

#

dont really want everyone to be crammed together in one spot

dense bone
#

if it is, it would probably have a lot of vehicles

tight tusk
#

tractors

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thats my main issue with bf5 currently aside from all the obvious bugs and whatever

#

cant ride the tractors

dense bone
#

lol valid complaint

tight tusk
#

so disappointing

jagged vector
#

I want motorcycles

tight tusk
#

well you have the halftrack biks

#

bikes*

jagged vector
#

But the sidecar can break off

sonic mantle
#

someone help

jagged vector
#

So you have to be really good at driving them or you wipeout

tight tusk
#

lol

dense bone
#

@sonic mantle whats up?

tight tusk
#

that would actually be pretty interesting

sonic mantle
#

i want to become trash at battlefield

dense bone
#

ok...

jagged vector
#

What sort of trash

tight tusk
#

thats very vague

sonic mantle
#

extreme trash

tight tusk
#

again very vague

sonic mantle
#

ye

jagged vector
#

Like edgelord trash? Or DS1 twink trash

dense bone
#

watch a youtube video WHILE playing

sonic mantle
#

tried that

tight tusk
#

turn everything to low would probably work

dense bone
#

thats better...

tight tusk
#

and change the colourblind settings

dense bone
#

try hard settings are low

#

better player visibility

sonic mantle
#

even worse than edgelord ds1 twink trash

jagged vector
#

Turn all sensitivities all the way up

dense bone
#

wait.. hes on xbox

sonic mantle
#

hmmm

#

that might work

dense bone
#

play upside down

jagged vector
#

Also make sure to turn on all the stupid graphic aftereffects

tight tusk
#

and change colourblind settings so the colours are all dodgy

#

if you can actually do that

dense bone
#

play with no sound too

sonic mantle
#

ok den

tight tusk
#

no sound hurts

dense bone
#

and get a crappy third party controller

sonic mantle
#

hmm

jagged vector
#

Make the team&squad&enemy colors identical

dense bone
#

that only has a dpad

sonic mantle
#

ooh yes

jagged vector
#

And light grey crosshairs

sonic mantle
#

ok

#

thx

#

but im playing battlefield 1 tho

dense bone
#

oh man

#

everything we just said doesnt work in that case

jagged vector
#

Then use the old pilot/tanker guns & kolibri

sonic mantle
#

ok

jagged vector
#

And if you play medic, don’t bring pouches or syringe

sonic mantle
#

alright

tight tusk
#

Can you change the resolution on console?

sonic mantle
#

what if im not trash enough tho

tight tusk
#

That would work if you turned it to the lowest

sonic mantle
#

ye

#

nobody likes bad graphics

south lantern
#

Don’t forget to only get heavy bombers for planes, fill up the plane with teammates and get on a collision course with the ground then bail out

sonic mantle
#

ye

jagged vector
#

Only bring smoke grenades and drop them on your teammates positions

sonic mantle
#

now were talking

weak violet
#

Use the liberator its a side arm

#

That has 1 shoot before it needs to reload

#

The reload takes 5 secs

#

Does 36 damage per hit

jagged vector
#

Use support + ammo crate + sawed off + kolibri + smokes

tight tusk
#

With graphics on ultra and resolution on lowest possible

worn cave
#

I keep sneaking up on people w/ liberator and headshotting point blank and being very disappointed by the lack of kill

#

lol

#

I always forget

tight tusk
#

F

merry ivy
#

Liberator is even more OP than the Medic SMGs

#

so much damage... DICE please

dense bone
#

something that cheesy should have some gimmick of being a 1 shot kill close range to the head

merry ivy
#

once I did 14 damage to someone at range after unloading a full mag... those SMGs are absolutely broken if I can do that kind of damage to someone

dense bone
#

but.. history/accuracy buffs would be pissed

solid hinge
#

selbaster 1916 best assault gun i taken 12 people without even needing to reload

merry ivy
#

nah that’s balanced, Medic is obviously borderline OP though

solid hinge
#

all medic guns suck

dense bone
#

you must have missed all but 1 bullet to get 14 dmg

merry ivy
#

well yeah for some reason even the slowest SMGs have ridiculous horizontal recoil

#

for what they offer

dense bone
#

because smgs are not made for range

#

imo the best at range is sten and mp40

merry ivy
#

yeah, so its much better to equip Medic’s other weapon class that is better at range

#

oh wait

#

they only got one

tight tusk
#

In terms of tap firing the ZK is the best range smg imo

dense bone
#

if you had medics with good range options, that would make medic op

merry ivy
#

honestly, if I wanted to be hard to kill and unable to hurt anyone, I would simply join as spectator

dense bone
#

infinite heals at range?

#

last time i played everything but recon was in a good spot

tight tusk
#

If you have an issue with medic guns then just kill someone and pick up theres

#

Chances are itll be assault

dense bone
#

my medic stats went way up with last update

tight tusk
#

So you get a medic with an stg or whatever

#

Op asf

dense bone
#

^

#

i never picked up guns unless i ran out of ammo, and that wasnt often

#

you just have to use smokes to get around

#

which is easy saying you have 5 smokes and inf healing

stoic breach
#

Yeah

tight tusk
#

Lol

stoic breach
#

I never pick up guns unless I need ammo

dense bone
#

well.. you SHOULD have 5 smokes

tight tusk
#

Nah i never use smoke grenades

#

Dont really need them

dense bone
#

smoke nades are fantastic

jagged vector
#

I’m a strong proponent of 5 smoke medic meta

dense bone
#

should use launchers for moving around, and nades for reviving

tight tusk
#

I mean i hardly revive as medic unless its near the end of the game lol

coral fiber
#

Smokes are great and a nessecity for medics for reviving people

jagged vector
#

Lol wtf

coral fiber
#

Imo

dense bone
#

reviving is what medic is for, and can change the game dramatically

tight tusk
#

Ik usually i only revive squadmates unless i feel nice

#

Then i revive other people sometimes

dense bone
#

even though im better than 98% of the player base, and mathematically i shouldnt try to revive, im going for it if i can

coral fiber
dense bone
#

plus, i dont want to be "that stupid medic that doesnt revive"

solid hinge
#

Never underestimate a meat shield

dense bone
#

which everyone says when they dont get revived

#

even if they are in front of a tank

tight tusk
#

Lmao

#

Tbf i hardly ever play medic

solid hinge
#

Sometimes I pop a flare and bayonet into the middle of a point just to get everyone's attention on me and it works like.. more than never

dense bone
#

i play all classes equally, i think support is slightly behind

solid hinge
#

im also totally not assuming it's me having an effect and not just my team getting it together

tight tusk
#

I think support is drastically in from of all the other classes for me lol

shrewd grove
#

The only two classes I play are medic and support

tight tusk
#

Front*

solid hinge
#

Supports lowest for me

#

wait

#

no it isn't it's second highest

#

I played it a load at the start

#

Forgot about that

shrewd grove
#

I play medic on small maps for the most part

#

But almost always support

solid hinge
#

Ideally I'd play medic more but i feel more useful as a recon

jagged vector
#

I mainly play support and recon rn

dense bone
jagged vector
#

Followed by medic and assault

tight tusk
#

Support with drilling is op on pretty much every map except hamada lmao

solid hinge
#

If someone on my squad gets a tank ill play engineer support

dense bone
#

1 day for each class, half a day for support

shrewd grove
#

I feel the most helpful as support because more people play medic but not enough play support and actually give out ammo like I do

solid hinge
#

I feel like ammo isn't as useful as health

dense bone
#

^

solid hinge
#

It's rare people run out of ammo

dense bone
#

or revives

jagged vector
#

I carry ammo boxes as support because the UI when you’re carrying pouches is awful

#

Also explosion ammo

dense bone
#

even though there are a lot of medics, none of them really play the role well

solid hinge
#

Gadgets help, but that basically only applies to assault

shrewd grove
#

You're not the one having tons of people coming up to you shooting you with their pistol so you'll give them ammo

tight tusk
#

Lmao

solid hinge
#

and flares i guess but i can count on one hand the amount of times someone's boxed me

dense bone
#

lol im always shooting supports with my pistol for ammo

tight tusk
#

Im always the support

#

Getying shot

#

For ammo

solid hinge
#

i had a 2 - 15 recon squad member shoot me and ask for ammo

dense bone
#

well give them ammo

solid hinge
#

I was playing recon though

tight tusk
#

I do lol

dense bone
#

whenever im medic or sup im always running around pressing 3

solid hinge
#

Not sure what he was doing

shrewd grove
#

Ammo is incredibly useful when pushing an area, so I'm always carrying pouches on me and throwing them everywhere I go

solid hinge
#

I find box more useful 99% of the time

dense bone
#

opah winfrey up in this joint, you get a health, you get a health, EVERYONE GETS A HEALTH

shrewd grove
#

Box is only useful for certain people

solid hinge
#

Gadgets can make a difference, I honestly can't remember the last time I ran out of ammo with any gun

jagged vector
#

Box on support, pouches on medic

tight tusk
#

I honestly dont see the point of box with medic

dense bone
#

rogue medics

shrewd grove
#

I like being able to throw out or give myself ammo anytime I want, rather than throwing the box out where people run past or it gets blown up

tight tusk
#

You can blow up the box?

shrewd grove
#

Yeah

tight tusk
#

Never knew that lmao

solid hinge
#

box gives you gadget resupplies!! How is that not more useful than anything else?

shrewd grove
#

I shoot boxes that the enemy puts out

tight tusk
#

Its good if youre holding a point

solid hinge
#

you can carry round infinite mines or AT pistol rounds

tight tusk
#

If youre attacking then use pouches

#

Its just easier

shrewd grove
#

Box also has a certain amount of time that you have to wait between resupplies

tight tusk
#

Faster resupply with pouches

solid hinge
#

If you use ALL your reserve ammo inbetween supplies you have 1% accuracy

shrewd grove
#

I have 6% accuracy because I play machine gunner and use suppression to spot most of the time

tight tusk
#

If you use all your ammo it means youre either effective or an idiot

jagged vector
#

The elusive recon mmg user

solid hinge
#

If you're using an mmg you have a shitload of reserve ammo though

shrewd grove
#

Depends on what you're doing

tight tusk
#

Recon with an mmg would be interesting

solid hinge
#

The box should always resupply before you run out of ammo fully

#

and you can bipod on it

#

which is unironically really useful

jagged vector
#

You can use the box to obscure a revive too

#

Saves you from getting shot in the head

solid hinge
#

there's been multiple positions I've been able to hold down cause ive bipodded on the crate that I wouldn't have been able to otherwise

shrewd grove
#

Blind fire into choke points is incredibly useful for blocking

#

I like being able to resupply between belts because the MG42 with 1200 rpm runs out pretty quick

jagged vector
#

Don’t you spend more time reloading than shooting with that?

solid hinge
#

I can understand it more for short belt mg42

tight tusk
#

If you have 200 rounds then no

solid hinge
#

I still reckon the utility of the box is more useful though

#

Especially with a portable bipod spot

jagged vector
#

I’m with Ayla on this one

shrewd grove
#

Box is only useful at certain chokes and depends on the frequency of vehicles

tight tusk
#

If youre camping with an mg42 then you dont really need box

#

Youre just lying prone in a corner

solid hinge
#

It gives gadget spawns

#

If you have mines you can ensure you have 3 up all the time

#

With 3 in reserve

jagged vector
#

And periodically refills grenade

solid hinge
#

If a tank comes you can actually damage it

shrewd grove
#

I just don't really need those that much

#

I resupply every time I spawn

#

I have the AT pistol and sticky grenades on me all the time, that does all the damage I need

tight tusk
#

As a machine gunner support i hardly ever even use gadgets

#

Just find a good sport and like down with my mg42

#

Lie*

solid hinge
#

AT pistol is very useful when you don't have time to bipod

azure lark
#

I’ve made it a habit to make it rain ammo pouches.

jagged vector
#

I use the AT pistol for more than just harassing vehicles

#

It’s great for ripping down roofs and faces of buildings

#

Taking down bridges on rotterdam

solid hinge
#

It blows walls, you can use it to push, you can use it as indirect fire

azure lark
#

Also, I’m sick. Ive got the apex legends virus and i don’t mind.

#

I hate battle royale but not this one :/

shrewd grove
#

Heavy tanks are normally chased down by assaults all over the map, I only need to defend myself from something lighter

#

Just yesterday I defended the church on panzerstorm from a light tank on my own

solid hinge
#

you get less points with a crate in comparison to pouches but i have never, ever been in a situation where I've thought "wow im glad this person had pouches instead of a box"

jagged vector
#

I like stealing tank kills from assault with the AT gun

tight tusk
#

Thats a fairly rare situation tho

#

Unless youre just stalking the tanks

#

With isnt what support is for

#

Which*

shrewd grove
#

Most of time you won't even notice when someone with a pouch gives you ammo

#

Because it says someone resupplies you even if you pick up ammo from a dead body

tight tusk
#

Never understood why it does that

solid hinge
#

Guessing they just use the same ammo pouch on dead bodies as normal people

tight tusk
#

Hmm

solid hinge
#

Cuts corners

tight tusk
#

Fair enough

shrewd grove
#

Also

#

On PC almost every support uses ammo boxes

#

They already have enough gadget charges

#

But not enough resupplies whenever they need it

tight tusk
#

^

#

Chances are if theres a supp theyre gonna have a box

jagged vector
#

Oh I got a new headshot distance record today

solid hinge
#

but box resupplies too

#

:f

tight tusk
#

But slower

jagged vector
#

412m on aerodrome

shrewd grove
#

Normally I see people waiting by an ammo box for extra ammo just in case because they plan to run ahead, I just like being able to throw it out whenever I want

solid hinge
#

It's still pretty dang fast

shrewd grove
#

It's fast overall but you notice how slow it is in the heat of the moment

tight tusk
#

And if 5/6 supports on the server use box its not like they can just throw out ammo every 2 seconds

dense bone
#

if firestorm doesnt have decent destruction, im crying

solid hinge
#

The only time I've been panicking for a box to recharge faster is when I want another AT pistol round for the tank that's pounding every spare inch around me

shrewd grove
#

Ammo crate has its place but pouch does too

#

Is what I'm trying to say

tight tusk
#

Like i said earlier box is good for defending and pouch is good for attacking

solid hinge
#

medic creates are so useless I never use them

tight tusk
#

Nobody does

solid hinge
#

I can't agree with it! I guess it has more potential use if you're with a couple people and you're tearing ass so hard you don't even have time to stop and tap a box but that's like.. a rare situation

#

i only use ammo create

#

STUG IS SO BAD

tight tusk
#

Stug is a sniper tank

#

Use it properly and its good

jagged vector
#

Stug is great, you’re wrong

tight tusk
#

I would ever choose it over the panzer sometimes

solid hinge
#

Attacks a valentine with AP shells
Hit 30
Hit 11
Hits the tracks,hit 1
Hit 12
Hit 6
And i die

shrewd grove
#

The pouch is great on maps like devestation, if you're wasting gadgets on choke points you're doing it wrong

tight tusk
#

^

jagged vector
#

Hit the turret 3 times solidly and the valentine dies

shrewd grove
#

Because even getting one charge back from a box you'll use it real quick then have to wait again

jagged vector
#

Unless they heal, then it’s 4 shots

shrewd grove
#

I just prefer being able to throw out a full bullet resupply at any time

tight tusk
#

As long as you can get used to the whole “i have to move the whole tank every time they move 10 meters” its fine

solid hinge
#

I don't know anyone who shoots enough to need it other than mmg players who usually have like 300 bullets in reserve and would benefit from having a portable crouch bipod spot and people who suck

#

If you're pushing you can pick ammo up off corpses too

#

so the gadget refills become even more relevant for assault teammates

#

HOLY FUCK

#

I JUST 2 SHOT A CHURCHIL

tight tusk
#

As stug?

#

Good job lad

solid hinge
#

Yes

jagged vector
#

It usually takes 3 unless you got the ass-shot

tight tusk
#

Youre learning

shrewd grove
#

Resupply from dead bodies can only be picked up by one person, and only give you a mag to half a mag

tight tusk
#

Or ap rounds

solid hinge
#

I hit the turret for mothrtfucking 40DMG

#

Yes aps

shrewd grove
#

Pouch gives full ammo resupply with no wait

jagged vector
#

There we go

solid hinge
#

And the ass for 60

jagged vector
#

See, stug is good

tight tusk
#

Overall i would still choose the tiger over it but like

#

Tiger is my bb

shrewd grove
#

Tiger is actually worth a damn now

tight tusk
#

Ikr

shrewd grove
#

The heavy tank armour buff was very useful

jagged vector
#

Tiger is amazing finally

tight tusk
#

Best tank by far

#

So satisfying just 1 shotting a staghound

jagged vector
#

Now you don’t feel nearly as vulnerable in a heavy

tight tusk
#

Ikr

jagged vector
#

Just keep an eye on your 6 and be careful advancing

shrewd grove
#

Heavies would get destroyed so easily so it was just better off you used a 38t because it was fast

#

Now I can flex my Last Tiger skin

tight tusk
#

As long as you have a couple of infantry around you when pushing a point youll be fine lol

#

Yeah i honestly cant be bothered trying to get that

#

Too much effort

jagged vector
#

I’m waiting for more vehicle customization

tight tusk
#

1 playthrough was enough for me

solid hinge
#

I just shot a bomber

tight tusk
#

^

solid hinge
#

For

#

92

#

Dmg

tight tusk
#

Oof

jagged vector
#

I only got the sand aus italien skin for the B2

#

Then just using the ToW rank skins

tight tusk
#

Im by far not a plane person

#

Cant fly for shit

shrewd grove
#

The last tiger skin only took about an hour for me

tight tusk
#

Oh kk

solid hinge
#

They broke tank and launcher one hit kills on planes again

tight tusk
#

Maybe ill give it a go

shrewd grove
#

The first challenge is complete the level without repairing, you can die and it won't matter lol

#

Just as long as you don't press X

#

Or whatever the repair is for you

#

The only tough part is doing the sneaking to the two places with the de lisle carbine and not getting caught

#

But even then the second part is incredibly easy

#

The one where you have to get to the AA gun without getting spotted took me awhile tho

jagged vector
#

I’ll keep these in mind for when and if I try to get it

#

I heard about the no repair part

shrewd grove
#

Ye

#

The other two are kill a calliope tank from less than 30 metres and kill a tank from over 120 I think

solid hinge
#

I JUST 2 SHOTED THE CHURCHIL AGAIN

#

WOOOHOOOO

shrewd grove
#

Which are pretty easy with the areas you're given

solid hinge
#

STUG IS A BEAST!

jagged vector
#

Lmao

#

Using it correctly makes it amazing

#

It’s got a low profile and the long 75 has awesome ballistics

shrewd grove
#

It's got so much of a low profile it's used for backcapping all the time on Panzerstorm

#

And no one notices it

#

They just think it's a shitty half-track

jagged vector
worn cave
#

I shelled a plane with my valentine and the hit didnt register thonk

#

it works other times, just seems random

jagged vector
#

Tank v plane is messed up currently

worn cave
#

I saw the explosion though haha

jagged vector
#

That’s why they removed the moonshot challenge

worn cave
#

so is MG emplacement vs infantry

solid hinge
#

hit detection in tanks is fucky

#

top gunner is beyond fucky

worn cave
#

confirmed haha

shrewd grove
#

Also the top gun textures don't load lol

#

On any tanks for me

solid hinge
#

What's it look like?

shrewd grove
#

It looks like an MG34 made from play-doh

jagged vector
#

In the stug when I spawn in it there’s a weird geometry stuck in the driver’s port for a while

shrewd grove
#

I'll try and take a screenshot of it actually

solid hinge
#

5th churchil down

jagged vector
#

Keep it up!

main grove
#

I’m really starting to get sick of sweats in this game

#

All the average players have left now

#

So most lobbies are filled with level 50 assault clans

#

And now my team is just zerging on twisted steel

#

Fantastic

shrewd grove
#

I don't run into very many things like that on pc

#

So far anyway

main grove
#

It’s hard to find a good server now that’s not just one team steamrolling another

solid hinge
#

NEEEEIIINNNN

#

The bomber that i hit for 92dmg killed me

#

Thanks dice

#

Im really thankful

jagged vector
#

How’d a British bomber kill you in 1 pass?

solid hinge
#

TANKful*

#

He dropped 2x 500lb on my engine

jagged vector
#

Ouch

solid hinge
#

In 1 life i got:

#

5 churhils

#

2 valentines

#

And 7 soldiers

jagged vector
#

Very good

shrewd grove
solid hinge
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There should also be a bomber on that list but you know

shrewd grove
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here its a bit more hard to notice on the british guns

solid hinge
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Dice pls

shrewd grove
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@solid hinge

main grove
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Blenheim bomber can easily take out a tank with 500lbs bombs

gray totem
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am i the only one who thinks the serbislider 1906 needs a buff? (the slr)

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its litterly the worst slr for recon

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and its unlocked through tides of war

solid hinge
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That's very.... hmm

shrewd grove
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ye its worse for the mg34

solid hinge
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Odd issues

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Selb 1906 is usually considered one of the better slrs

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High fire rate, 2btk at any range and a 2x scope

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Slebs 1906 is my fav

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Wth r you talkin about

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what is best semi auto for assault?

tulip pilot
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anyone wanna play on pc

solid hinge
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All the semis are good

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Depends what you're looking for

ionic brook
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anyone in for combind arms on medium>

brisk field
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Everyone uses the m1a1 so try using that

ionic brook
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?

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need to do 4 more missions

solid hinge
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AG has the highest skill ceiling with 2btk at any range headshots and a 450 rpm

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i use the 1916 because it has so much ammo

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its 3 body kill and 2 head kill

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M1a1 is a slightly less accurate AG in exchange for being able to have a gigantic fuck off detach mag

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1916 is by default detach mag

brisk field
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Well I don't know about the mas

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But Mas is good

pliant fern
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I like the 1-5

solid hinge
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and it can get good rate of fire if you upgrade it

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The 450rpm guns are 4btk to the body at minimum, the 360 are 3btk to the body at minimum, the 300 and under are 3btk to body at any range

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FUCK YES

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EAT IT

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CHOKE ON IT

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I GOT THE BOMBER

brisk field
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Same

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Wait no

solid hinge
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what about sniper auto snipers what is the best one because all of them feel the same for me

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The MAS has a small mag but it's ridiculously accurate and can have the highest bullet velocity in the game I think

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@jagged vector I GOT HIMMMM

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HES DEAD

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@solid hinge the slrs?

brisk field
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Slrs are half decent

solid hinge
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Ahh

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Feels so good

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@solid hinge is that the tides of war gun?

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They're the self loading rifles

brisk field
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The selbstlader is pretty good but runs through the mag like an American eating a cheeseburger

solid hinge
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The ones that aren't bolt actions

brisk field
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The selb is good for mid one thing for sure

solid hinge
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Model 8 is a 2btk under 50 metres, the RSC is a 2btk at slightly longer than 50 i think, the selb 1906 and ZH are 2btk at any range

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its ww2 game but for some reason most of the ww1 guns are better then the ww2 😄

charred heron
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So what do use on the Krag?

brisk field
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6x

charred heron
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Faster boolets or faster bolt cycliNg

solid hinge
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pats the stug
You did good today,you did good.
gives a goodnight kiss

brisk field
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Less drop

solid hinge
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@charred heron it doesn't make the bullets faster, it reduces drop

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Misleading spec

charred heron
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Well, it states that the bullets drop less

solid hinge
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I pick the faster cycle rate cause it comes with an accuracy spec

brisk field
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Faster bolt cycling if you're trying to be an aggressive ptfo recon

charred heron
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So they're either hydrodynamically designed or faster

solid hinge
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It doesn't make the bullets faster they just are affected less by gravity

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It's magic!

amber notch
solid hinge
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I use Gewhr m95 for shorter range and for very long range i use krag

brisk field
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If the kar had good control I'd have mastery with it by now

solid hinge
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Not ideal on Krag cause it has pitiful body shot damage and the drag specs are only useful at long ranges where you're likely to hit body anyway

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Faster cycle rate lets you plink heads better

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and i dont have kar98k unlocked, is it any good?

brisk field
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my fucking classmate is playing copyright free music in my class right now fuck

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It kinda sucks

jagged vector
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I use the kar98 for my long range sniper

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Ayla is gonna say krag tho

amber notch
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Overused music

brisk field
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Kar sucks if you're used to the krag

solid hinge
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Krag and Kar have same bullet velocity, but the Kar has higher bodyshot damage

brisk field
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The control just sucks

solid hinge
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I'd use the Kar if I was gonna super long range it

brisk field
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And one less bullet

solid hinge
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which i will never do cause that ain't fun

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The Kar is great cqc weapon

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Y’all just gotta

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Get

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Good

brisk field
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Piss off

solid hinge
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Bet

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im pretty sure the kar is objectively the worst cqc gun in the game

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Nah

midnight nimbus
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RSC and AL8 have the same exact damage model @solid hinge

brisk field
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Lee enfield: am I a joke to you?

midnight nimbus
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RSC just has good reload and doesn't cuck you for using good sights

solid hinge
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Ew Winfield

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@midnight nimbus for real? It's really just the reload on it?

midnight nimbus
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better reload, worse recoil

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that's it

solid hinge
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That's lame! I thought it had like 70m before damage drop

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K98 is subjectivly best change my mind

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Destroying 6 churchils,3 valentines and a bomber with the StuG IV feels epic

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Why would you use a sight on a cqc gun anyway:f

midnight nimbus
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well they're midrange guns

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not CQB

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and SLRs are lame in general

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just play assault

solid hinge
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Yeah

brisk field
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Yeah the fucking bolt action with the lowest fire rate and control and more suitable for longer ranges is better than a rifle with the fastest rof and good for rushing objectives

solid hinge
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I’m the most unorthodox recon player

brisk field
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I'm a bad recon

solid hinge
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I can do good with K98 in CQC

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And long range

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But I mainly use stuff like the ZH for long range

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cause it’s nice getting sports

brisk field
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Well it's the Gerry bolt actions, they kick ass if you slap a 3x on it

solid hinge
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Eh

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Irons

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I use irons for long distance to lol