#battlefield-legacy-titles | Battlefield | Page 1176

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:45 AM

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KE7 is still not that op imo

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:45 AM

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I've rarely seen the KE7 tbh

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:45 AM

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ive seen it quite a bit

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:45 AM

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and even more tbh I don't even like using it

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 5:46 AM

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I don't see it very much either except by players new to assault

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:46 AM

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What specializations do y'all use on it? Because I personally don't click with it

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:46 AM

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the recoil is so easy to manage that people can outgun others

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Lewis is a hacker magnet, Bren is good but kinda unpopular, KE7 is a bit overtuned but still has its downsides

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:46 AM

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personally I dont touch the thing

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:46 AM

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i try not to touch semi autos

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Bren is pretty awful at killing IMHO, but at least its a laser

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:46 AM

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I stick to Lewie gun and the MG34/42 brothers

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:46 AM

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I stick to the MMGs since the LMGs just can't out-damage semiautos or assault rifles

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Bren is great

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You have to shoot first though

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Lewis is meh

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:47 AM

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bren does well at shooting out people in mid range in distance

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:47 AM

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It’s a Suppressive fire

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:47 AM

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bren is a laser, but has the slowest TTK for an automatic weapon in the game IIRC

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:47 AM

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ive played way too many WWII shooters in my time that I feel at home with the MG42 sights

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:47 AM

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FG42 is a AR

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KE7 is a AR

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:47 AM

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FG42 is lovely, but the small mag hurts me

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:47 AM

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FG42 is a reasonably balanced gun at least then

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:47 AM

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The FG42 is a good weapon if you master it. That’s my goal with 3x scope

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:47 AM

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I like how most WWII games were inconsistent about how the FG42 worked

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:47 AM

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Any DOD players lol

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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I wont even bother with the 3x scope on the FG

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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a few had the FG42 being an instakill sniper

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Reflex sight all the way

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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others had it being an MG

sudden siren Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Alright bois

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I've distilled the perfect meme loadout

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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COD WAW had it as an instagib rifle

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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FG42 is one of those combined weapons

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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oh god it was so disgusting in WAW

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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It’s basically a AR

sudden siren Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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It's at least quadruple digit IQ

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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WAW was grea

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Unlike you

sudden siren Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Gewehr 98 bodyshot with iron sights

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Then pull out and finish them off with the liberator

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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WAW had disguting gun noises tho

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even for its time

sudden siren Feb 13, 2019, 5:48 AM

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I got 10 kills in a game with the liberator

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Pog2

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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It did better then Cod:ww2

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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very tinny and splooty at the same time

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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I liked the WaW sounds

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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I like how COD WWII was a reskin of COD2 Big Red One

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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@fluid tusk your not wrong

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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They actually kinda sounded like guns unlike the ones now that just sound like paintballs

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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but made less interesting

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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ppl think BFV has memey prototypes

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Back to FG42

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It’s a paratrooper weapon. Had to be light you know

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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CoD WW2 started using weird prototype blueprint smgs

sudden siren Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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COD WW2 was amazing

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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🤷 COD WWII was a mistake

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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I stopped playing that after the zombie thing

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Outbreak?

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God I was disgusted

sudden siren Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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so many incredible guns

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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it was literally an inoffensive game

sudden siren Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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I hope the AS44 gets added to BFV

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Then they changed how perks work

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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anybody could go on killstreaks

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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It wasn’t “bad”

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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with any gun

sudden siren Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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It's getting another major update soon

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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how was the payload mode in CoD WW2?

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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@solid hinge how tf do you do the 3x scope

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on the FG

sudden siren Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Weapons for every category of gun

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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it was way too forgiving

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:50 AM

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with the tank

sudden siren Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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New skins and new crates

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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@half wolf A lot of practice

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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heard the drilling was horrible

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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And tap firing

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That’s the meta for this game imo

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Just tap fire

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You win

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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drilling isn't horrible when some guy runs up to me and one shots me

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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nah

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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fuck that guy

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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you just pick up a semi auto

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and spam clicks

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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tap firing is an idiot trap in BFV

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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hit or miss

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:51 AM

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or is at least designed to be

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you're giving up free DPS for no benefit

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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tap firing?

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Nah

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Trust me

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It works

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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its not tap firing

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Then again I’m used to it lol

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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especially LMGs

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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its literally semi auto firing

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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It’s the Fg42

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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just dump your LMG

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Ive been doing it for years

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:52 AM

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yes, and BFV mechanics aren't BF3/4

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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If I can take out snipers with it by tapping in 2-3 bursts

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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tap firing is good in those games

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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or burst firing

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Then it works for me

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Lma

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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im not talking about BF3/4

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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burst firing >>> tap firing

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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Im talkng about gaming in general

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firing either single shots or slow controlled bursts to keep the recoil low

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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BF1 killed tap fire off and everyone screeched

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BFV makes it an idiot trap

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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No?

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I tap fired and top scored

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Lmao

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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I never really cared for tap firing, I just always fire in controlled bursts

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:53 AM

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just slow tapping the R1 button

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:54 AM

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tap firing as in shoot semi?

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:54 AM

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I meant controlled bursts

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:54 AM

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or small brusts?

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:54 AM

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you can play suboptimally and do well

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Since we gotta get specific lmao

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:54 AM

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but small bursts are much better than single shot tapping

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:54 AM

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Tapping works to :^)

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If you can’t do it then that’s fine

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I’ll stick by my view of it working

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Even semi auto style “tapping”

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Or the “2-4 bullet burst”

narrow moss Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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heck yeh!

jagged vector Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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I utilize tap fire as harassment bullets

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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It’s fine if you know how

narrow moss Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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the furry discord staff got fired!

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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?

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Battlefield_1942:_The_Road_to_Rome

narrow moss Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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#WeChangedDiscord

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Furry?

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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reminder

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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2-5 round burst is where it's at

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Road 2 Rome

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we headed to rome, boys

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:55 AM

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at the ranges where 1 round taps are better than 2 round bursts, you're better off just not engaging

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or if you think have to one round tap with an LMG, you're at the range where you should just bipod

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:56 AM

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@midnight nimbus yet I still do

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And it works

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Lol

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:56 AM

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I suspect the French faction is coming soon

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Just git gud

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:56 AM

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no reason not to use a semi auto if you can tap fire with an lmg and do well tbh

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:56 AM

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yeah, just use semis

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and dump

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Nah

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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FREE FRENCH FORCES!!!

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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No fun

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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infinite AG two tap

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frame people from 200m away

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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I’d rather tilt with a lmao

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Lmg

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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make the MMGs cry

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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God this auto correct

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I tap@the MG42 and do well lmao

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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MG42 burst fire is beautiful

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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It’s hilarious

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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why tap or burst the MGs

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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1200 RPM of course

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:57 AM

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there's literally zero benefit

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Yeah there is

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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it's like tapping in CoD

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Still just mad at all these top scoring assaults with MAS44s

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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you give up free DPS for nothing

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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No?

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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you have no spread increase with MMGs or LMGs

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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This game isn’t about DPS

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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you actually get less recoil by spraying

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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This isn’t over watch

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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they'd probably top the board with anyother weapon but man i hate seeing it all the damn time

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Lmao

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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bc MGs have recoil decrease per shot

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 5:58 AM

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cause it’s fun tilting by bursting and tapping

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That’s like my argument now: it’s fun

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If I can clear enemies by bursting 1200 per minute at like 5 guys

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And still have rounds left over

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I’ll take it and enjoy it

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Maintain enough to kill another 5-6 without a reload

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:00 AM

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the benefit for MMG's is that it prevents overheat

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:00 AM

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^ that to

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:00 AM

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improves accuracy

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and allows you to conserve ammo

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:00 AM

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^also that

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:00 AM

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people do it in real life

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:00 AM

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y conserve ammo when you literally have unlimited ammo

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Am I missing anything @fluid tusk

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:00 AM

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you can long burst with mmgs anyways

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:00 AM

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the only real reason to fully auto fire. is if you are laying down suppressive fire

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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I mean it makes followuos easier

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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which I myself do at times for teamates

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Plus if sit and spray your a sitting duck

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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that too

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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optimally you only overheat if you are literally killing like 20 ppl with a fullmag mg42

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Burst and move rinse repeat

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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muzzle flash does show the enemy where you are

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we call it "Toot it and boot it"

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Bullet trails through smoke to

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Gotta move consistently

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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I only ever really play support so I'm firing like 90% of the time when I ain't moving

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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good control in long range should be enough to not overheat

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Toot the gun, grab your boots and run

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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not that I do that well anyways

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Toot it and boot it

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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^

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Yo btw

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Are gold weapons worth getting

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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not really

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Or should I just go for mint

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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no

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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No imo

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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if you like bling I guess

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Chrome and Blued are better

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Mint looks better most of the time

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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I don't do any assignments

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Cause I like to maintain my sleek

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Gold looks really tacky

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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wish i was free of that bind

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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I just stick with standard everything though

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:02 AM

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neither mint nor gold are really worth it

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWlMhiEL9Mc

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 6:03 AM

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don't let Gold mastery assignments suck you into play the game in a terrible way

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:03 AM

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i dont need to do em but i still feel like I need to do em

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 6:03 AM

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I think Mint is better than gold in most cases

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:03 AM

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if i happen to accomplish some unlock, I'll use it

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:03 AM

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I mean

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:03 AM

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and stuck with stupid ones like headshotting with SLRs in objectives

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Like why

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Yeah

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There’s a hidden assignment you know

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In the golds

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Just get 60 kills in a particular area it asks for

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:03 AM

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blue urban & Birch are pretty good for axis

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 6:03 AM

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I was looking at my stats and I apparently have a love affair with the 1906 lol. Two shots and done is a beautiful thing.

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:04 AM

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its an easier to use ZH

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 6:04 AM

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not for me

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ZH has too much kick and I can't put two shots on people fast enough with it

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:04 AM

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K98 anyone?

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:04 AM

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i mean

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Or am I the only K98
Lover lmao

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:04 AM

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1906 is an-easier-to-use-ZH

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:04 AM

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i dislike those guns

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semi auto snipers

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bolt actions are a thing of beauty

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especially without scopes

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:05 AM

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I feel a bit less dirty using SLRs compared to semi autos

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:05 AM

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K98 with bayonet anyone lol

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 6:05 AM

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1906 and ZH are great competitors to semi auto assault punks

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Iron sighted

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Iron Sights are for true veterans

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:05 AM

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even if I slay at least I'm fucked over with a 5 round clip

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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@fluid tusk Brother I got you lol

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I only use the mint iron sights for the K98k because hooded sights were only used in late war

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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1906 has no clip. Gotta reload bullet by bullet lol

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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The Mints are the hooded ones

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Yes it does

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It does have a clip

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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hmm

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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It has a stripper

azure lark Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Ohhh

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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If you use 2x or lower

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If I’m right

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Yeah

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/psn/jordan_ss4/weapons

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:06 AM

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It’s great for aggressive play

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:07 AM

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2x is very good on the 1906

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:07 AM

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my stats

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212 kills with the Gewehr M95

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Nice

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I can’t stand the G98

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Idk why

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But it feels out of place

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:07 AM

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does it?

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:07 AM

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For me it does

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Idk

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Wasn’t it replaced by 1935?

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:08 AM

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🤷

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pretty sure a few other games had it in

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i mean its not truly that out of place tbh

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:09 AM

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I mean

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It was used limited

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It was assigned to Hitlers personal guard

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:09 AM

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wish BFV had BF1's side mounted scopes

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so you didn't give up clip reload on a ton of guns

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:09 AM

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The side mounts make no sense by this point

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:09 AM

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who cares about muh realism

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Save the Arisaka by the time it comes in

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:09 AM

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yea side mounts can stay away

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Cause the Japanese didn’t care

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:09 AM

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gameplay > realism

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:09 AM

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arisaka was a shit gun regardless

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Not for

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BANZAI

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:10 AM

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if it was a balance design im fine with it

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:10 AM

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Banzai must be a tactic when the japs are added

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:10 AM

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The arisaka feels very good to shoot irl

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:10 AM

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recon is kinda fun once your team is already kinda rolling

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:10 AM

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like if everyone had a 20 round detachable mag Turner

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:10 AM

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use the spotting scope so your friendly JU-88 can annihilate everyone

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:10 AM

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i mean Turner is one of the most popular assault weapons

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:11 AM

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I miss Beta Turner :/

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:11 AM

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everyone uses it with a 3x scope

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:11 AM

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20 round detachable mag

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:11 AM

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dunno how many rounds are in it

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i use the Gewehr 43

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10 rounds is more than enough

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:11 AM

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G43 is ok

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not enough of a headshot cannon

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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id say it is still to easy to use nonetheless

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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the issue is, the meta changed from CQB to Ranged

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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boosts up decent players up

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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I mean BFV is a defensive game

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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@fluid tusk G43 with irons and box mag?

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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i dont deny that

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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for 90% of the players its better to use than a AG

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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excessively defensive imo

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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I dont have box mag on mine

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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nah not for 90%

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Damn

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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90% of players can't click fast enough for AG

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Box is great for the thing

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:13 AM

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i have the other side of the specs filled

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with the weapon handling stuff

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:13 AM

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and >90% can't click fast enough and hit enough heads

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:13 AM

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also I play on console

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:13 AM

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Same

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I’m Xb1

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PC banned me lmao

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:13 AM

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less clicky mroe R1 spam

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:13 AM

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even on console, most people don't click fast enough

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:13 AM

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im not banned, my PC is just old. I built it long ago

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:14 AM

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watching people post gameplay of the M1 saying it's so good

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meanwhile they aren't even close to maxing out the RoF

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:14 AM

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M1 is fine for me

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30 is great lol

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I love playing up close and personal

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:14 AM

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The AG is a true laserbeam

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Ag is good

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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if you can't max out the M1 RoF, G1-5 is just a flat upgrade

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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I just hate how it sounds

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I can’t stand it so I don’t use it lol

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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and if you can't max out the AG RoF, just use MAS-44

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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I'd say it's the best laserbeam of all the DMRs

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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AG sounds like a paintball gun

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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I agree @shrewd grove

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That’s why I can’t use it

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Same tbh

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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It sounds so shitty

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Eh

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Then again I don't ever use the semi autos anyway

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:16 AM

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G44/M1 or a STG for me lol

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:16 AM

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somehow my spotting scope has 5 shots fired

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Or 1907

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:16 AM

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1907 is real nice even on console

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:16 AM

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STG for me

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:17 AM

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The FG42 is also nice on console

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:17 AM

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I play on PC

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:17 AM

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I love to theme my load outs based upon faction

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So Germans get G43 and StG, brits with the M1 and 1907

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So I use like 4 guns at once lol

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:18 AM

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i had faction themed weapons going back to BF3

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:18 AM

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I do the same thing

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:18 AM

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its always fun to do

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allows you to use guns you wouldnt normally use

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its also a challenge

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:18 AM

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I use the Bren even as Germans because I found out the Germans used it when captured

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lol

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Then again Germans and Russians used tons of captured weapons

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:19 AM

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Just think of it as a ZB vz. 26

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:19 AM

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I just want the Madsen

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:19 AM

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I want my .30 cal

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Or BAR

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Just let me shoot slow and continuously lmao

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That’s what we need

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A slow, heavy hitting MMG

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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M1919 and BAR are already confirmed

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Chauchat soon

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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That doesn’t overhear at all

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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M1919 is your shoot forever gun

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Yep

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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French soon

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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anyone wanna squad up on bf v

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Chauchat will be shut though

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Like Bf1

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Chauchat is the best LMG in the game

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Unless they make it viable in this game lol

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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by a long shot

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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bet

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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theres a platoon im in that could use more players

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:21 AM

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it's basically 20 round detachable mag Turner

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:21 AM

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The Chauchat can be a 3-4 btk but with insanely slow RoF and high recoil

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:21 AM

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with the best optic in the game

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:21 AM

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Eh

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guys add me i need friends my origin is tigermoe_a

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Iron sights are better 90% of the time for me

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Plus I’d rather use FG42 lmao

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:21 AM

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2x scope is super good

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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Or Lewis for its scope

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Or Bren

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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@solid hinge #lfg-pc

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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I use 3x for the DMRs and Bren

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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Which I bet a maxed Bren can do the Chauchats job.

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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tbh I only use origins for sims

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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and Chauchat beats out every LMG past 10m until you get into the long range Bren territory

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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I'm going to transition to all iron sights for the ARs

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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3x for the Bren is fun

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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SMGs will probably just have red dot sights

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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The chauchat doesn’t beat everyone out

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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@midnight nimbus second fastest killing LMG is the FG42 right?

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:22 AM

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That’s what they said in Bf1

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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holy cow I just realized that you can change your reflex sight color

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Iron Sights for the STG44 is the way to go

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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LMGs/MMGs get to keep AA or iron sights

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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FG42 is fastest until Chauchat drops

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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color change?

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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hey guys add me on origin TigerMoe_A

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Watch the Chauchat be crap lol

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Reee

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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I’m going to laugh

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Chauchat is S-tier

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Go to #lfg-pc

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Cause on paper it can sound good

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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@solid hinge post in #lfg-pc

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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the stats are already confirmed

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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But in action it can be bad

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Stats aren’t everything

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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it's basically the Turner

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Communism sounded good on paper

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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with normal LMG handling

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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its not the Turner. It’s the Chauchat

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:24 AM

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the recoil is gud

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:24 AM

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stats dont take into account player usage and strategy

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:24 AM

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The gun was already used by players who actually got it through a bug wasn't it?

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And it was apparently really good

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:24 AM

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Anyway, it can sound good on paper

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:24 AM

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phat DPS

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:24 AM

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But it can be shit on actual usage

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Cause the gun doesn’t make the player

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The player makes the fun

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GuN

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:24 AM

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when has a gun that was good on paper ever been bad in BF?

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literally never

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:24 AM

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Like me tapping and bursting a FG42 with 3x

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:24 AM

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Bren would like a talk

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:25 AM

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video games are literally just numbers

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Bren is designed to be good and is very good

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Any suppressive variant LMG

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kHt how new are you lmao

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:25 AM

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suppressive variants are shit

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they're supposed to be

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:25 AM

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No?

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:25 AM

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idiot traps for people who love bigmag

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Generally they are shot guns

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:25 AM

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I'm pretty sure he made the ttk charts or something @solid hinge

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Oh really?

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Well great

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That explains a lot

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:26 AM

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I've played BF for quite awhile

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:26 AM

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He’s a numbers guy

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Bren is laserbeam

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:26 AM

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I’m a use it guy

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Whether standing, proning, crouching, or strafing

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:26 AM

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the better you get, the closer you approach the guns' ideal effectiveness

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 6:26 AM

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I hate capping A on frontlines Twisted Steel

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:26 AM

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if a gun is shit, it just doesn't suit the way you play

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 6:26 AM

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half the team is just untouchable snipers up on the bridge

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:26 AM

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That’s like saying

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What I’ve been saying

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Lmao

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You just spat out what I said

little fjord Feb 13, 2019, 6:27 AM

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Jump out of tank to repair it 100%... asshole jumps in driver seat and starts leaving... I'm left with a useless kit, at mines, and an iron sight sten

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:27 AM

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once the playerbase migrates from CALL OF BUTY tactics to actual thought out tactics, then Battlefield will become like it used to be

little fjord Feb 13, 2019, 6:27 AM

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picard

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:27 AM

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lol

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:27 AM

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🤷

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:27 AM

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Oof

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:27 AM

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its the same with siege

little fjord Feb 13, 2019, 6:27 AM

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They deserve to lose

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:27 AM

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so people will finally understand that nade spam wins?

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:28 AM

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people play that shit like Call of Duty

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it annoys me as a veteran R6 fan

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:28 AM

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bc that's how BF used to be

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:28 AM

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BF will never be SQUAD

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:28 AM

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one who still has the Dreamcast R6

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:28 AM

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it took its path and its not going down the path of squad based milsim

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:28 AM

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people pick the 3 speed operators with guns that have high fire rates and just run through the map

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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how easy it is to win = your team's explosive output

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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no tactics, just rush

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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its an arcadey playground game now

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mostly map dependent still but yeah in Close quarter maps BF2 was just nade spam

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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BF was always intended to be a playground

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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^

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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BF2 was nade spam in general

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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i skipped BF2

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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remember when claymores couldn't be disabled?

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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or getting farmed by vehicles

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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It was never intended to be anything smart, people keep treating it like it was

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:29 AM

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I have it, my computer at the time couldnt run it

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stuck with other games

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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but you could play it smart to some extent

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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lol

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We talkin siegeV

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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and that's why PR and then Squad came to be

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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BF community in general wants big map CoD sandbox, which is fine

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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*siefe

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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wang talking BF2

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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Ah

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BF2 was great

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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i was talking siege but switched to BF2

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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BF2 is meme tier terrible

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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ppl talk about wanting tactical gameplay in BF

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:30 AM

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most of my BF memories were from 1942 and Vietnam

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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but the moment they try to go that way core base are gonna hate it

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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I have 1942 and Vietnam on disc still

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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vietnam especially

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I used to

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shit got stolen

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Oof

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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tactical is the biggest buzzword in gaming

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Feels bad

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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right next to "casual"

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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stil use the image of my old game collection on my twitch screen

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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Csgo anyone

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Oof feels bad Wakks

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Never forget

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:31 AM

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tactical = using the resources on hand to optimally win

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in BF, that generally means max explosive output/other forms of cheese

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:32 AM

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@midnight nimbus nah, Tactical isnt a buzzword... long ago in a land far far away, when most of the teenagers around werent born. there was a genre of shooters called Tactical shooters

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:32 AM

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tactical in the typical sense is more like limiting toolsets available to an individual to promote coordination

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:32 AM

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(adj) relating to or constituting actions carefully planned to gain a specific military end

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:33 AM

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not going by the dictionary. Just a personal view on how people use the term to describe a game

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Tomorrows the stug

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:33 AM

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wanna cap objectives? kill the enemy so they can't cap or stop you from capping. easiest way to do that is to blow everyone up

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Tactical Shooter genre used to be fairly popular... games like SOCOM, Brotherns in Arms, and Rainbow Six were king of that roost. lesser known games were SWAT and Spec Ops

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:34 AM

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every shooter is inherently tactical

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games in general are inherently tactical

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gotta use some form of strategy, no matter how simple the game

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:34 AM

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sadly around the time of Modern Warfare was when Tactical shooters died off in favor of arena shooters

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:34 AM

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SWAT 4 was my favourite

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:34 AM

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tic tac toe is tactical

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:35 AM

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I mostly think about it in terms of -is brainpower sufficient to circumvent a 10+kd enemy to win a match

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:35 AM

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@midnight nimbus Tactical shooters as in, limited ammo/health/realism effects

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:35 AM

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I want an original claymore as in a 7ft long sword

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:35 AM

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ah so milsims

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:35 AM

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In Battlefield the stuff going on is normally so grand in scale you never realise what happened that caused you to capture a point but normally it's a squad probably flanked but you never even saw them

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:35 AM

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most of the time you really can't

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:35 AM

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nothing inherently more tactical about boomer games

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they're just slower

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:36 AM

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wtf is a boomer game?

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:36 AM

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its a different kind of game

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:36 AM

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they were between Milsims and traditional shooters

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no clue waht a boomer game is

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Doom

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:36 AM

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i have a feeling that kht is probably younger than us

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:36 AM

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but that's actually closer to a modern fast-paced tactical game

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:36 AM

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you do realise most ACTUAL boomers are now over 70 and cant even turn a PC on?

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:36 AM

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I'm in my 20s

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:36 AM

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im almost 30

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:36 AM

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"Boomer games" are stereotyped as milsims

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:37 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_shooter

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:37 AM

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milsims are the opposite of robust design

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Calling someone a boomer is a meme now, they don't mean actual boomers born in the 1940s dingus

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:37 AM

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yeah well that characterization is not only wrong its childish and stupid

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:37 AM

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David Treharne of GameSpew identifies four criteria for what qualifies as a tactical shooter: “[M]ainly you’re looking for the use of: realistic constraints of player movement; realistically simulated ballistics and accuracy; squad based or multiple approach/style accessibility; and a low tolerance or low health realistic damage model. Basically, you usually move slower than most shooters, your accuracy is much lower and bullets drop over a distance, you usually have a squad to command, and all of you only being able to take two or three shots before dying.”

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:37 AM

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its more of a "that kid who likes Led Zeppelin more than 6ix9ine" insult

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:37 AM

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^

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Basically

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:38 AM

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whatsa wrong with led zeplin?

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:38 AM

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camp2win shooters

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or griefing sims

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:38 AM

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what are you even on about?

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:38 AM

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IDK why I bother

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:38 AM

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SQUAD = trap your team in a pillbox and nade it

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:39 AM

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have you even played a game like SOCOM?

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:39 AM

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there's nothing mechanically to encourage actual tactical play, which is playing to win

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:39 AM

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or classic Rainbow Six?

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 6:39 AM

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same as some kid screaming about CAMPERS at a squad defending an objective .. stupid and ignorant and arrogant

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:40 AM

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milsimming is fun for roleplaying ig

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:40 AM

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but Tactical shooters arent milsims

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:40 AM

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I enjoyed RO2

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:40 AM

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I like milsims for roleplaying mainly

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:40 AM

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id say thats the border of not being a milsim

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:40 AM

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Red Orchestra and Rising Storm were good for that

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:40 AM

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but their mechanics assume an unrealistic portrayal of psychology and how people play

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especially at high levels

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:40 AM

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e.g Suppression

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:41 AM

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Tactical shooters often feature a wide variety of weapons modeled upon actual firearms, being more realistic than run-and-gun shooters. For instance, the Brothers in Arms series is unique in that, since the game takes place in World War II, the development team Gearbox Software made sure to actually portray the weapon accurately by adding realistic recoil, motion blur and the feeling of being suppressed. They did this by actually testing the weapons themselves and hiring military consultants in the development

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:41 AM

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you will never accurately portray how suppression works in game

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:41 AM

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once people want to win, they'll play in ways to break muh immersion

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BF3 suppression was gud

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:41 AM

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However, simulating actual combat is often sacrificed in favor of balance as well as playability. There are often considerable modifications to in-game weapons and ballistics from their real-life counterparts in order to ensure balance in multiplayer.

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:42 AM

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but in terms of replicating how the mechanic works (scaring people from peeping over) its impossible

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since death is trivial

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:42 AM

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BF3 suppression did it fine

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:42 AM

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and its a statistical calculation in the end

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:42 AM

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instead of scaring people from peeking, it just made peeking much less useful

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:42 AM

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easiest way is to ensure permadeath

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:42 AM

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bc it increases your spread

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what's the difference?

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:42 AM

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much like the classic tactical shooters

half wolf Feb 13, 2019, 6:42 AM

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Anyone else getting bad packet loss tn?

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:42 AM

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gives death some weight to it

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@half wolf probably updating the server

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:43 AM

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except people don't wanna actually sit in spawn screens

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:43 AM

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^

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:43 AM

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There is a point to it tho

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:43 AM

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also the grenade spam

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Due to the problem of grenade spamming, the effect of explosions are often toned down and/or only 1–2 grenades are allowed to be carried. Cooking a grenade by releasing the lever to partially burn the fuse before throwing it, to make it harder for an opponent to catch it or run away, is discouraged in real-life since fuses are imprecise; nonetheless, this is an extremely common "Hollywood tactic" in video games or movies.

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:43 AM

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BFV death screen is abysmal design at best

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:43 AM

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we don't want games to literally have a 0 sec spawner

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and have everyone spawn on everyone

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Spawn design could use work in BF

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:44 AM

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In first-person shooter video games of the mid-1990s to the mid-2000s, such as Quake and Unreal Tournament, the "rocket launcher" which fires dumbfire/unguided missiles was one of the most prominent multiplayer weapons which largely overshadowed the other weapons available to the player. This was because the rocket launcher had a quick reload, the rocket traveled fast, the warhead had a devastating splash damage which could severely injure or kill when the missile detonated upon a wall/floor/ceiling near the target player, and the blast force could propel and disorient the target. Experienced gamers could take advantage of the blast (and risk some injury) by rocket jumping. The Rocket Arena mod was created, which focused upon the use of the rocket launcher as the primary weapon. The rocket launcher remained in the sequels but the attributes were toned down somewhat. Lastly, players could carry dozens of rockets which encourages their profligate use.

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:44 AM

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I like what Day Of Infamy has, where you only have a certain amount of waves of reinforcements before your team just loses

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:44 AM

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like hold LMB to wait for medic, hold RMB to die faster lol

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should just be click once to go straight to the spawn screen

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so you can do something useful, like readjust your loadout

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:45 AM

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By contrast, shooters such as Call of Duty do not use the term "rocket launcher". While they have similar concept weapons, these are modeled after real-life equivalents such as the rocket-propelled grenade, Bazooka, and FIM-92 Stinger, several with specific applications against vehicles rather than personnel. These rocket weapons also have very scarce ammo and long reload times, reflecting the limited situations that they are utilized as well as discouraging reckless player usage.

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which reminds me

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the Ghost Recon series is still trucking along

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:45 AM

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limit rocket ammo -> best way to play is just redeploy for more rockets

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literally just the best way to take out vehicles in BF

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:45 AM

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death is very cheap in BF

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:45 AM

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You can kill people with backblast in Red Orchestra 2

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Features now common to the tactical shooters genre appeared as early as 1987, with Airborne Ranger by Microprose. Computer Gaming World compared it to the earlier arcade game Commando (a more typical action shooter of the period), but commented that it was "deeper and more versatile". The game featured a limited inventory which had to be carefully managed, a variety of mission types which often promoted guile over violence, and the impetus to plan ahead and outmaneuver the enemy—all of which are features common in the tactical shooter genre as a whole. Airborne Ranger was followed by Special Forces in 1991, also by Microprose, which first introduced squad mechanics to the genre.

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:46 AM

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empty your explosive loadout, redeploy, repeat until tanks are dead

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Sometimes it would be fun just to sneak behind a sniper and use the back blast to kill them

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:46 AM

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almost like revives/waiting for revives is 90% of the time inefficient

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:46 AM

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yes, just wait for redeploy

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especially with attrition

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might as well redeploy since you're out of ammo

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and no one throws it

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:47 AM

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The first major successes of the genre came in 1998, with games such as Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon, which are credited for defining and refining the genre. Another key title was Delta Force, which emphasized real-world weaponry and quick kills. Other influences on the genre included games such as the SOCOM series, as well as the SWAT series - a spin-off from the Police Quest series of adventure games.

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:47 AM

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and it's faster to redeploy than walk to the attrition box

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:47 AM

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and that's the crux of why Frontlines is so goddamn frusrating

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everyone should just die after a cap is taken

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Weird I find revives to be some of the main reasons points are actually ever captured on breakthrough

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:47 AM

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or do it like OW and have you respawn into the starting zones

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:47 AM

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squad revives in BFV are incredibly stupid

coarse thunder Feb 13, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Revives are important when tickets are numbered in "attack" modes

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Rainbow Six has been credited as a revolutionary game, which defined the conventions of the genre. The game was inspired by the Federal Bureau of Investigation Hostage Rescue Team, and was designed to replicate a team of specialists performing a skilled operation. The game was designed to emphasize strategy in a way that would be fun for players without the best reflexes. The series has since become a benchmark for the genre in terms of detail and accuracy.

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:47 AM

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mfw a blueberry medic is about to revive me, and my idiot squadmate does it instead

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:48 AM

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but only relevant on CQ and attackers

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:48 AM

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so it takes twice as long, and he gets killed trying

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while the blueberry medic would've been more helpful

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:48 AM

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no clue why im trying to give kht a history lesson of tactical shooter genre

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:48 AM

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it's a good thing it's dying

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:48 AM

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tactical shooter genre has been dead since COD 4

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:49 AM

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its no use he's super zoom zoom now

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:49 AM

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yes, because the genre is a fundamental misunderstanding of why people play shooters

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Revives are good on both attack and defense really, when trying to defend the hangar on aerodrome it's kind of a big walk back at times where you can get shot on the way there, so keeping people inside to defend the area on breakthrough is incredibly helpful

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Since the late 2000s, contemporary shooters such as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare have proven more popular than futuristic first-person shooters such as Quake and Unreal, although the field of true tactical shooters has been largely neglected by developers since the mid-to-late 2000s. Even traditionally tactical shooter series like Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon have seen their sequels drift away from tactical realism towards cinematic action centered themes, as can be witnessed by, e.g., contemporary Rainbow Six sequels which completely do away with the series' iconic pre-action planning stage (last encountered in Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield), or the overly futuristic settings of Ghost Recon: Future Soldier, which provides players with invisibility cloaks and shoulder-mounted anti-tank rockets while failing to adhere to simple tactical realism paradigms like one-shot-one-kill.

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:49 AM

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play RTS if you wanna use your brain

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:49 AM

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yikes

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ironic since RTS is even more taxing

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on your hand

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:50 AM

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even in tactical shooters, using your brain still isn't that great over being good at clicking

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bind to keyboard man

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:50 AM

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have you ever played a tactical shooter?

ivory geyser Feb 13, 2019, 6:50 AM

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What's a good FOV to settle at, I've seen people play at different ones

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:50 AM

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and even if you have to click a lot, you don't have to be super accurate

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:50 AM

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have you ever played a tactical shooter?

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:50 AM

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yes, and they fail to provide me with what I want to play a shooter for

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:51 AM

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what game was it and when

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:51 AM

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I play at 95 FOV @ivory geyser

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:51 AM

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some of the newer ones are ok

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:51 AM

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there are no new tactical shooters

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its a dead genre

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:51 AM

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insurgency is close

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Idk if you mean milsims or tactical shooters

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I don't really know what counts as what

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:51 AM

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insurgency is an arena shooter

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:51 AM

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lol

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:51 AM

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all things considered tactical shooters is mil-simy shooter

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:51 AM

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with tactical elements

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:52 AM

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fair assessment

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 6:52 AM

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I play at default settings + higher sensitivity when I feel like it

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:52 AM

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But there's insurgency, day of infamy, Verdun, Tannenberg, red orchestra, rising storm

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:52 AM

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i dunno is Verdun tactical?

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:52 AM

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To some extent

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:52 AM

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RO2 is ok

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:52 AM

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If you have a working squad

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:52 AM

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SQUAD if you wanna max grief

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:52 AM

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as I said, insurgency is an arena shooter (takes place in a single area, less focus on team play and more focus on kills)

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hardly anyone has mics in insurgency

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:53 AM

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what's not tactical about kills?

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:53 AM

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In Verdun and Tannenberg if you have a competent person doing every job they're supposed to and communicating you normally win pretty easy

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:53 AM

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like how do you get any objective done without kills

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in a shooter

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lol

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:53 AM

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thats your problem, you are only thinking single mindedly

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:53 AM

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in any shooter, killing is the ultimate focus

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:53 AM

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but he means more so that kills are achieved by just acting individually

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without need for any teamwork

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:54 AM

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because you can't get anything done w/o it

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:54 AM

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^

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:54 AM

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if you can kill everyone on your own

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and you don't need anyone

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:54 AM

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Insurgency has some fun teamplay, at least in co-op

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:54 AM

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basically "playing like rambo"

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:54 AM

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well yeah, especially since tactical shooters are so deadset on realistic damage

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even in tactical shooters, you can Rambo

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:54 AM

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its more about realistic movement

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id say

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:54 AM

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as for what KHT said, there are far more objectives in tactical shooters outside of getting the most kills

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:54 AM

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which is what people ultimately play FPS for

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 6:54 AM

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But you will die

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If you Rambo

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:55 AM

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you can't accomplish objectives without shooting enemies

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:55 AM

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Kills are merely the result

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:55 AM

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if you move like a sack of human flesh its harder to frag people with m+kb 30mph speed

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:55 AM

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kills enable you to complete objectives

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:55 AM

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I think its not necssarily the kills part

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but about how you achieve the objective

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whether by playing as a team

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or just doing everything yourself

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:55 AM

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objectives can range from defusing a bomb, rescuing a hostage, decrypting a computer, stealing files/cash, etc

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 6:56 AM

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Or running like chickens without heads

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:56 AM

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stealth is also a part of tactical shooters to an extent

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:56 AM

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This conversation is giving me a shitty headache

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:56 AM

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you can rescue a hostage in the older R6 games with less than 2 kills

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depending on how well you plan

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and co-ordinate with your team

crimson orchid Feb 13, 2019, 6:57 AM

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GWvictoriaNoU

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Planning never works out in online because it can fall apart easily

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:57 AM

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im sure @fluid tusk has no complaints on someone killing everyone through smart tactics and intuition over fragging idiots with lighting accuracy

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yeah i dont play tactical shooters because I don't want to socialize with people when i play

amber notch Feb 13, 2019, 6:57 AM

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LOL

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Lmao

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:57 AM

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its tiresome I just wanna play

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:58 AM

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my main issue is that current game design favors "Run & Gun" mechanics over everything else, and as a result the level of gaming has dropped considerably to "zerg rush" territories

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 6:58 AM

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You're asking for a lot to make into something that would actually be fun

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 6:58 AM

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^

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:58 AM

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I'm fine with a run&gun game being run&gun, just that I wish the games weren't designed to actively encourage dumb actions and promote dumb actions

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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BFV doesn't favor run and gun the most

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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Spray and pray

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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a balanced way to kinda at least make blueberries move a bit more reasonably

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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it's the most defensive BF yet

ivory geyser Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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How is the M1A1 Carbine? Just unlocked it

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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🤷 thats just how things are now. run & gun and as tavi said, spray & pray

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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people just wanna play dumb

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not that it's encouraged

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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its not really spray and pray in bf5 tho

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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Like your entire team capping a in Aerodrome CQ?

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God

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kill me

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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unless your using an mmg HaHAA

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Nah jk

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 6:59 AM

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try having dumbfucks rushing into a tank

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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CQ allows for the most dumb play

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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over and over again thinking things will be different

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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just don't play CQ

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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^

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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I haven't touched it yet in BFV

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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i play mostly breakthrough

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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which is why its less lopsided in general

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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its a mess

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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Breakthrough is my favourite

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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breakthrough is kinda fun

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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id play smaller modes if it wasn't a crapshoot

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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sit there and farm

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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of lopsided matches

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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let your teammates zerg

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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people will run headfirst into a hail of bullets instead of trying to outsmart the enemy

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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On PC at least, breakthrough always allows for actually planning with your team in my experience

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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nah man

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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where nothing besides your own killing prowess really matters

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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But guys

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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let your blueberries zerg, and then cap the obj when you can

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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Imagine hardcore in bf5

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With teamkilling

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V1 Chag

charred heron Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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That'd be a FFA

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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well then sometimes nobody zergs

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like with frontlines

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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medic becomes good, bc you can teamkill for good guns

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yes

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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another thing is that players put way too much focus on arbitrary things like "K/D"

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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Lmao

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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when teammates are all expecting someone else to attack

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/1095565601257476096

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 7:02 AM

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Idk I've had some fun close games of breakthrough where flanking and abusing the enemy team's undefended areas wins us the game

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:02 AM

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its at the point where people will quit the game when downed in order to protect their K/D

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:02 AM

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> not caring about K/D in an FPS
lol

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FPS exists to shoot people

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:02 AM

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oh im sorry, @midnight nimbus I come from a time when K/D didnt exist

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:02 AM

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i mean there is killing people lots

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And there is sniping for a 5/0 match

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:02 AM

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unlike you, my child

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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the latter

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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That doesn't mean you have to kill people to have fun or win

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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K/D + KPM

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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yea sniping has always been an issue in games

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what the fuck is kpm

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korean party march

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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kills per minute

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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god CQ sucks aaaaaaaaaaaa

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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?

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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Kills per min

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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i dont pay attention to none of that stuff

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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Literally me sitting in a half-track in front of points on Hamada attack Breakthrough and letting my team spawn on me will win us the game

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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back in my days, people would just kill and kill until they were able to lock in the win

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 7:03 AM

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I dont really aswell

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:04 AM

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teamplay is worth when your team demonstrates that they're capable of it

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 7:04 AM

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But I would like to have a higher kd

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:04 AM

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otherwise, sit there and farm

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:04 AM

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deathmatch on Unreal Tournament 99

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 7:04 AM

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while PTFO

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:04 AM

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now that's WoT 101

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:04 AM

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get as many kills as possible to lock in the win

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people will win with over 30 deaths

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 7:04 AM

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"Back in my day" GWfroggerHyperXD

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:04 AM

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as long as you win, shit like K/D doesnt matter

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:04 AM

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everyone says snipers are useless but they seem to forget that having one sniper near a point, with a beacon, playing it safe, acts as both a spawn and fire support

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:05 AM

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Winning is such a trivial stat in BF tho

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:05 AM

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sometimes you know your team just won't win

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so might as well just sit there and kill people

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:05 AM

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since you can just leave

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:05 AM

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@mystic wolf its not that snipers are useless, its that snipers dont push

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:05 AM

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BF has always been about farming

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:05 AM

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if youre being the kidn of sniper i described, you shouldnt push

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:05 AM

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you can't control outcomes of 64p alone

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:05 AM

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even when the area is captured, they wont fucking move

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and the spawn points (if they even bother to bring one) stays along side them

ivory geyser Feb 13, 2019, 7:05 AM

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What's the most fun game mode for you?

unkempt dust Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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snipers can make a ton of difference if played correctly and not just KD boosting

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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people dont snipe to support others

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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Breakthrough

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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people snipe to get kills

unkempt dust Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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spotting flares are OP as defenders on breakthrough

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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its all selfish as shit

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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i snipe to do assignments, then i stop sniping

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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recon is good if you have a competent JU-88 on your team

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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I only snipe to get rid of the annoying guys

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Then I switch back to support

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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bc you can just watch the enemy get farmed as you spot everyone

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:06 AM

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i use flares to let ppl know its safe to attack

unkempt dust Feb 13, 2019, 7:07 AM

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I love support too.. ironically that's my lowest KD but I still enjoy it

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 7:07 AM

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@fluid tusk you know whats selfish, assault semi snipers

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Dont bother snipers

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:07 AM

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nah assault semis are the opposite of selfish

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:07 AM

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can't blame them for playing an overtuned class

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:07 AM

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bc you can instagib MMGs from across the map

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:07 AM

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basically all my prior complaints for things like K/D & tactical shooter death come to the fact that gaming is far more focused on "Self Importance" and "competition between everyone"

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less focus on teams

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more focus on self

shrewd grove Feb 13, 2019, 7:07 AM

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I never really get killed by semis unless I'm out in the open

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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the team is only as good as the individuals

sonic rampart Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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^^

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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everybody wants to be the best

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Anthem is woke for this

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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everybody wants to be at the top

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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strong alone, stronger together

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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and because of that, it creates a toxic self serving environment in gaming

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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can't be good as a team if the game forces you to be shit as an individual

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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because everyone wants to be the RAMBO

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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that's just MM

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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that's where robust design comes in, where helping yourself = helping the team

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:08 AM

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cant be as good as the team if it's 21v31 and theres no autobalance or shuffle

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:09 AM

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and autobalance is just another can of worms anyways

unkempt dust Feb 13, 2019, 7:09 AM

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yeah.. balance sucks in this game

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:09 AM

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of ppl getting split from friends and all

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:09 AM

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that's why boomer games are fundamentally flawed, they fail to understand that people are inherently self serving in an online environment

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:09 AM

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thats what squads are for

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:09 AM

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the solution is to make serving yourself = serving others

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:09 AM

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no shit

unkempt dust Feb 13, 2019, 7:09 AM

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yesterday we played in a server for good 5 minutes with the enemy team like 10 players only

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:09 AM

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there is a place for games that promote teamwork over self still

unkempt dust Feb 13, 2019, 7:09 AM

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and we're full

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:10 AM

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if its entirely self serving than there is no point in even having team games

unkempt dust Feb 13, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Fjell frontlines ended in an instant

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:10 AM

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the problem is, when said game becomes popular it gets bombarded with self serving twats

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:10 AM

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BR serves as a good place for individual over everyone else

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Apex Legends probably has the best teamwork mechanics of any game today

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:10 AM

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like with Rainbow Six

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:10 AM

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the ping mechanics are leagues beyond what any other game has

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Siege is a huge example of that, wang

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:10 AM

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communication can be done thoroughly without VOIP, which is key in an online environment

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:11 AM

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thats just the nature of it

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teamwork requires a good team and communcation

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that's a prereq that most people don't want to invest in

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:11 AM

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on launch, because everyone hated it. you had a place where players would just work together, it was friendly, and nobody was toxic

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:11 AM

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^ and forcing communication through VOIP is an unrealistic solution

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:11 AM

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but once it got better, it drew in the X MLG 420 X crowd

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:12 AM

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don't design games with grief potential

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 7:12 AM

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my issue with VOIP is being a woman, half the time it distracts from the game and a few times guys forget they are even in a game and want to flirt

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:12 AM

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friendly fire is stupid in any game where you might have to play with randoms

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:12 AM

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do ptich lowering things work?

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:12 AM

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VOIP is annoying in general

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in BF, I instantly mute people who actually use it

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:12 AM

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@midnight nimbus go play with your kinder logs, my child

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you are part of the problem

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:13 AM

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if i wanna talk with people, I use discord

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:13 AM

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wtf kht lol

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:13 AM

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your whole mindset is flawed and an example of what ive been talking about

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:13 AM

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bc i can communicate with people who I know are at least competent

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bad coordination is often worse than no coordination

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:13 AM

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it literally isnt

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:13 AM

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instead of trying to be a better person, you treat the game as being broken then isolate yourself in games

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:13 AM

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@midnight nimbus is just on the logical extreme on the opposite end

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:14 AM

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flawed map fallacy

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having suboptimal information is often worse than no information

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if you wanna get to Georgia, and you have a map that only gets you to New York, you're better off with no map

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same goes for in game communication

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:14 AM

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i see you have set the boundaries of your definition of 'bad coordination' specifically so that it fulfils your belief

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so of course you are right if we understand the terms precisely how you use them

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:15 AM

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having no one on voice is better than having someone who doesn't know how to play or work with you

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:15 AM

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which is not how people would generally use them

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:16 AM

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Its hard to really convey urgency and proximity in game chats

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:16 AM

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^

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:16 AM

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even trying to tell someone to make an AT stationary for me

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is really fucking hard

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because I can't tap someone on the shoulder

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:16 AM

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VOIP is worth it with friends who already know how to play

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:16 AM

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honestly its worth it 99% of the time

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:16 AM

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but BF social features are so terrible, that you might as well use discord or TS

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:16 AM

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i have to tell someone that I am somewhere and I want this here as a ghost voice

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:17 AM

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almost every single time ive had someone who uses voice in BF, it has been better than no voice

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very rarely i get someone who is just useless so i mute them

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:17 AM

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people love blasting music on VOIP

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:17 AM

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that's probably because many people don't use it id say

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:17 AM

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even on PC

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:17 AM

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wat

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:17 AM

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but yeah, it's not that common on PC

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:17 AM

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ive never seen that lol

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:17 AM

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That's more of an issue i see with popular source games

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and Xbox live

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:17 AM

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i got i dunno, 150 hrs

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:18 AM

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*Blasts 6ix9ine and Hitler Speeches in TF2

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:18 AM

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never came across a music blaster

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Xbox live was pretty shit compared to PS2 online gaming

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less instance of people being cancer on PS2 as opposed to the Xbox

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:18 AM

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only time I've ever used VOIP in BFV was when I already squad switched to one of the best squads on my team

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:18 AM

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mainly due to the higher diffucluty in getting online

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:18 AM

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who I knew were competent

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:19 AM

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maybe your region is just full of idiots? who knows

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:19 AM

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probably US region

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:19 AM

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US E, so yea

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:19 AM

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i was right

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:19 AM

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EU actually has decent players

solid hinge Feb 13, 2019, 7:19 AM

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you used to be able to do that in BF Vietnam, if you had a CD Rom sound cable onto a certain prong on the motherboard you could play CDs and everyone in the round would hear it

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Asia had a lot of good players

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:20 AM

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also the custom MP3 music

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:20 AM

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i mean the non-hacking kinds

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:20 AM

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not too prevalent nowadays tho

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:20 AM

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thats what I miss most about BF Vietnam, being able to hear your own music in the jeep

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:20 AM

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good players in FPS tend to be European

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:20 AM

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its hard to tell sometimes

mystic wolf Feb 13, 2019, 7:20 AM

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can just do it with VoiceMeter..

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Like how to tell a soft hack to Relaa

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:21 AM

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i play on JP servers in BF4

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most of the players are cunts, I can assure you

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:21 AM

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I don't get complaining about hackers

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if they're on the other team just leave

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if they're on your team, it's easier to win

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:21 AM

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thats a defeatist attitude

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:22 AM

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yikes

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:22 AM

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you seem to have been raised wrong

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if your thinking is that fucked

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:22 AM

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I've had 50Kd hackers in my team and still never cap the first point of breakthrough once

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:22 AM

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it's an online game

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like applying IRL morality is a silly waste

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:22 AM

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"if it inconveniences me, then I will leave. but if it helps me, im all for it"

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:22 AM

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yes

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:23 AM

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That applies in ranked matches

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:23 AM

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because it's an online game without real life consequences

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:23 AM

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at least it should

jovial forge Feb 13, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Finally got the new support gun honkmax

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:23 AM

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but pubs i mean man its all a crapshoot anyways

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if you aren't having fun don't fuss over it

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:23 AM

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BF is a pub game

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:23 AM

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I don't trust my own WR because I leave shitty games and 80% of them are me losing

jovial forge Feb 13, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Trying to say the only good players are in EU?

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Like man I don't want to sit for 10 mins losing all my caps in frontlines Hamada

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:24 AM

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there are good US players

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ive met a few

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:24 AM

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BF has always been centered around farming people, and how well you're farming tends to correlate to fun

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MetalSlug plays in US E

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:24 AM

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one of which invited me to this clan war discord for BFV

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Old BF was all about Vehicle farming

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:25 AM

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prolly the best player in US E

jovial forge Feb 13, 2019, 7:25 AM

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That's subjective

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:25 AM

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best infy at least

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with some sort of public profile

jovial forge Feb 13, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Still subjective

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:25 AM

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BF4 had literal ritual sacrifice servers for admins to kill people with scout helis

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:26 AM

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a lot of the better BF players left with BFV

jovial forge Feb 13, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Or other games

midnight nimbus Feb 13, 2019, 7:26 AM

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and a lot with BF1 as well

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BF4 was the last

sacred junco Feb 13, 2019, 7:26 AM

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its just kinda weird

fluid tusk Feb 13, 2019, 7:26 AM

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the BF4 custom servers were bad

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"no Anti air"