battlefield-legacy-titles

[strong parrot]

why use a bolt action when the revolver is clearly better?

[solid hinge]

someone said the krag was the best gun in the game earlier

[fathom pebble]

The division 2 more like the disaster 2

[urban snow]

not me. i dont like the krag

[fathom pebble]

Sorry

[urban snow]

its terrible

[solid hinge]

i got a little unsettled

It's not terrible!

It just needs... some love

[urban snow]

its not great

[strong parrot]

Uhh they have already had to patch the beta twice Ill have you know....this is on track to be as good as bfv!

[jagged vector]

If you like it, use it. If you don’t, don’t use it.

[amber notch]

im sorry how was that anthem beta?

[kindred orchid]

Everytime I'm reading chat, Ayla is talking about her one true love, the Krag.

[amber notch]

oh wait

nobody could get in

[fathom pebble]

What if I feel confused?

[urban snow]

the gewehr is the gun for me, best damage, best accuracy, and second best rof

[solid hinge]

It's the only thing I can trust Cyn

[strong parrot]

Im sorry, did the anthem beta ban me before I could play?

[solid hinge]

My squad will die on me

[shut brook]

so I get like a 6 kill streak and didn't record it

[amber notch]

LMAO

[ivory geyser]

^

[shut brook]

god damn it

[ivory geyser]

LMAO

[solid hinge]

But the Krag.. It's always there for me

[shrewd grove]

The anthem beta was fun imo

[amber notch]

that was planned

[fathom pebble]

I have a full gold Krag.

[amber notch]

so i could get in

[strong parrot]

I mean with your internet I cant blame you

[amber notch]

and it was fixed within 3 hours

[strong parrot]

need all the tricks you can get

[urban snow]

the best thing about the krag is the reload

[solid hinge]

I got it full gold earlier!

[ivory geyser]

It was not-- they wanted to ONLY ban you. But Oscar and I saved you

[solid hinge]

My only gold gun

[strong parrot]

it was fixed in like just over an hour I think just funny it happened tbh

[solid hinge]

also my only level 10 gun

[shrewd grove]

More guns in BF need to have unique reloads like the Krag

[kindred orchid]

Congrats.

[solid hinge]

on my only level 20 class

[amber notch]

just get every gun level 10

tbh

[fathom pebble]

I also got the ZH but I actually bugged the assignment system to the point I can't get the last piece assignment

[amber notch]

so time to use the RSC bucko

[solid hinge]

that would require playing other classes

[amber notch]

[strong parrot]

minus the shitty smgs that arent an mp40 thompson or zk

[solid hinge]

I got the rsc to level 4!

it's got a bayonet

[fathom pebble]

Wait u only recon ayla?

[sudden siren]

It's a p cool gun

[urban snow]

same, tbh

[sudden siren]

The RSC is noice

[ivory geyser]

@amber notch you aren't getting Anthem are you?

[kindred orchid]

She's a simple girl, she only needs the Krag.

[solid hinge]

Not exactly by choice

I would like to play other classes but none of them have the spawn beacon

thus recon

[strong parrot]

why would he get anthem when he can fly around in the div....oh

[ivory geyser]

I'm loving BFV, I don't think I need any other game for now 😛

[solid hinge]

Why does no one on my team ever play medic

plus the krag is wonderful

Literally no one

[urban snow]

to be honest, i prefered bf1. bf5 seems ... incomplete

[solid hinge]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bfv/profile/psn/Scratchoid/weapons

[wooden hare]

Few guns are good in the medic class

[solid hinge]

Hi

[strong parrot]

why arent you playing medic

[wooden hare]

^

[solid hinge]

Because I’d rather play recon

[kindred orchid]

I think Division has a better theme and gunplay than Anthem, but Anthem's got flying and focuses on abilities if we're going to go off topic here.

[amber notch]

@ivory geyser fuck no

It does not interest me

[fathom pebble]

Anthem is ehm I'll wait for summer

[ivory geyser]

I've been playing Assault/ Medic and Recon. Loving all of them for now, maybe will only main 2 once I find what I really like.

[fathom pebble]

Meanwhile keeping myself with Destiny 2

[strong parrot]

anthem doesnt have a cheese pvp system where you can flex on newbies who arent looking for a fight

[ivory geyser]

Anthem-- eh, it's alright, not gonna put my money on it tbh

[solid hinge]

dadmin are you an admin on matimio's server?

[ivory geyser]

Div 2-- probably

[amber notch]

@solid hinge No

[strong parrot]

if he was an admin there

id be highly disappoint

[jagged vector]

Im playing BFV til sekiro comes out

[amber notch]

Div soon

[fathom pebble]

He doesnt mod toxic servers

[amber notch]

[jagged vector]

Then back to BFV

[solid hinge]

hmm I feel like I saw you there but ok

[ivory geyser]

POW is a worthy admin, don't @ me.

[amber notch]

yet i modded r6

OKKKKKKKKK

[fathom pebble]

Oh wait he's here

[solid hinge]

yeah lol that's why I left

[strong parrot]

Hey guys....my name is Maaaaatimioooooooooo

[solid hinge]

Ohhh that's right yeah the r6 server

[ivory geyser]

@amber notch you are applying these apps right? On div 2

[amber notch]

yee

[ivory geyser]

Good luck!

[urban snow]

Seriko looks awesome

[ivory geyser]

I'm sure you'd get it

[amber notch]

I mean i hope i do

[ivory geyser]

😃

[fathom pebble]

Before u go into the server get like in a double antu radiation and bacteria suit

[amber notch]

I said to oscar, i dont want to be picked because im your friend

I want to be picked because of how well my app is presented etc

and even if i dont get mod, ill still be there, because I enjoy Division

[ivory geyser]

Oscar won't pick you cause your his friend anyways, he isn't that type of admin

[strong parrot]

yikes...im in 2 servers with pow...i feel dirty

[amber notch]

@ivory geyser LOLLLLLLLL

if you say so

[urban snow]

I don’t get why the medic class doesn’t have good weapons. Like all medic weapons are shitty assault weapons

Y

I am confusion

[ivory geyser]

Mm 🤷

[strong parrot]

assault doesnt have infinite healing?

[fathom pebble]

I have 10 mutual servers with POW

Good lord

Iam a lost soul

[strong parrot]

end yourself tbh

[ivory geyser]

You will get picked because you are a worthy mod.

[strong parrot]

thats just too much

[wooden hare]

Two of the smgs have a higher fire rate

[ivory geyser]

2 different things

[wooden hare]

Forgot what they’re called

[urban snow]

Sukomi and some other

But like zero accuracy

[strong parrot]

suomi has crazy accuracy..

[urban snow]

No. It’s terrible

I can’t play with it

Like in bf1, they had a specific weapon type, that specifically counteracted infinite health. I just don’t get it this time around

[solid hinge]

What specs are you using for the suomi?

It's pretty accurate short range

[ivory geyser]

The only BF Ive played are V and 4. Wish I knew about these earlier, they are honestly so good, I will buy them all kek.

The only BF*

Not the only BFV LOL

[urban snow]

From really short range. Outside of like 15 meteor something bullets go all over the place

[amber notch]

[urban snow]

I’ve been using the sten. And just unlocked the mp something or other

[amber notch]

wait i got pinged here

[strong parrot]

yeah...almost like someone deleted it

[amber notch]

@ivory geyser I can see who it was

[urban snow]

Almost

[strong parrot]

im not naming and shaming though

[ivory geyser]

@amber notch who was it?

[amber notch]

You

[urban snow]

You do know as admin he can see deleted messages?

[strong parrot]

no way

[urban snow]

I know right?

[strong parrot]

amazing knowledge

[urban snow]

I’m here to say obvious things

[amber notch]

cali go back to mini pow

please

[ivory geyser]

@urban snow Few things -- He is not admin, and yes I'm aware, I was meming.

[amber notch]

so you dont look silly

this aint r6 fam

I will mute you for being annoying

[urban snow]

I meant moderator. My bad.

[solid hinge]

LRRL suomi is good for close range and medium range accuracy

[strong parrot]

yikes mute him tbh

[ivory geyser]

Y'all see how rood POW is

[urban snow]

I haven’t started down any paths.

[ivory geyser]

[urban snow]

I’m terrible with it

[ivory geyser]

Bit because I love him, I'll become Mini POW

[solid hinge]

medium range meaning medium range for the smgs so like 25m and not medium range for the semis which is like 200m

[ivory geyser]

[strong parrot]

that was gay

[amber notch]

[solid hinge]

Suomi with no specs is a demon

It gets a lot better once its decked out

[strong parrot]

someone kept killing me over and over with it the other day

[amber notch]

Suomi in general is a yikes

[urban snow]

Now that’s a terrible feeling

[strong parrot]

like...how the hell is it so accurate at medium distance

[urban snow]

See?!

[solid hinge]

smg buffs made it beautiful to control

[urban snow]

Nightmares

[strong parrot]

didnt help that he was popping out of corners instantly hitting me

like bruh...your gaming chair is cray cray

[urban snow]

I’ve only gotten someone like that once

Like every other minute I put him down

That was pretty great, tbh

It was bf1, with the martini Henry. What a monster of a gun, eh?

[solid hinge]

Meh

Gewehr M.95 or bust

[urban snow]

The m.95 was my second favorite

Then carcano

[solid hinge]

Never used that

[urban snow]

1 hit kill up to I think 70 meters? But it had a really fast rof, so it was good for aggressive play

I play recon pretty aggressive. I don’t like just sitting on a hill taking shots

*1 hit headshot

[compact oxide]

I loved the Ross Inf and doing the quickswap meme in bf1

[amber goblet]

Use lighting storm to tease them senator

Gun for what

Use the force

[solid hinge]

finally got mah triple kill and stubbornness prevails done .. I can dies now

also bit confused how I got the demolitions assignment done in a tank but hey thats ok

That moment when you get a kill cuz you dropped AT mines in a random spot cuz you had the wrong loadout

[bronze grotto]

model 8 captured skin image on the armory shows extended mag

extended mags for slrs

[sudden siren]

I'm really, really, really getting sick of SMGs doing 98 and 99 damage in 5 shots

Why in god's name did they knowingly put this in the game

[solid hinge]

let me teamkill teenage edgelords that are asshats

[sudden siren]

did they say the gamer word

[bronze grotto]

rise up

[solid hinge]

no the little shit stole my tank while I was repairing it

[bronze grotto]

[sudden siren]

There's some kind of glitch atm with the tommy gun

I'm getting fights where I deal 100 damage

And the enemy doesn't die

[solid hinge]

yep

not just mmgs

[sudden siren]

Are you getting it too?

[solid hinge]

yep

[bronze grotto]

maybe they healed?

[sudden siren]

MMGs bring the quality of this game down

[bronze grotto]

i get that too tho even in situations i dont think they can start healing

[solid hinge]

was in C on aerodrome and I hit 3 of the enemy with the churchill howitzer and they all got 110+ and were like (aussie man voice) yeah no mate, no worries

got the flip side as well .. hit a churchill GC on panzerstorm with one shot from a Pv 4 and it went boom .. I was like .. how

[marble phoenix]

Churchill such a hassle, destroying

[solid hinge]

na its a great tank when used right

[bronze grotto]

what spec

[sudden siren]

Taking fall damage counts as "In combat" :DDDDDDD

[solid hinge]

awesome for bulldozing enemy inf hard points

[bronze grotto]

do you use the 95

[solid hinge]

95 howitzer

mesh warheads

mesh make pz 38t go boom quick

[bronze grotto]

isnt hesh only for vehicles

[sudden siren]

Smgs are so goddamned bad guys

[bronze grotto]

hesh has no splash

[sudden siren]

Why are we stuck with this shit

[brisk field]

My dads getting pissed cus he's making an origin account and all the origin ids he typed in is taken lmao

[sudden siren]

Medics rise up

[brisk field]

Lmao have you used the suomi

[sudden siren]

I have it gold and over 700 kills with it

Yes

I have all smgs but I think the mp28 gold

[strong parrot]

people still complaining about medics having bad weapons in 2019..yikes

[sudden siren]

The smgs are just awful assault rifles though

[solid hinge]

tho I wish I had taken the more ammo upgrade

[strong parrot]

its a

sub

machine

gun

[brisk field]

You have the fucking suomi and zk383

[solid hinge]

18 rounds goes very quickly

[brisk field]

9mm should be more powerful than 7.92

Do you not get how smgs work

The smgs are fine already

[sudden siren]

Statistically I know more about them than I think like 90% of the playerbase yes

[strong parrot]

.....

[brisk field]

Same here

[strong parrot]

lmao

[sudden siren]

My medic score is like 4th percentile on battlefield tracker

[strong parrot]

and it was about this time where I just discounted anything further being said in the conversation

[sudden siren]

I agree the Suomi is fine

But practically every other SMG is not that great

The MP34 is among the worst guns in the game

And the longer range SMGs like the MP40 and STEN just underperform

[brisk field]

Sten is actually pretty good

[sudden siren]

Mate I got that shit golded out with like 600 kills

It is really not good man

Compared to most other guns

There is really no situation I would ever choose it over a Suomi or an EMP

[brisk field]

I abandoned my tank once cuz I was pissed at the panzerfausts shooting me and I got pretty good kills as a tanker who didnt use a tank

[sudden siren]

Part of the reason I think SMGs need a rework

Suomi and EMP are fine

Buff everything else

Every other SMG aside from the EMP and Suomi are just terrible versions of the EMP and Suomi

The Tommy gun is just a shitty suomi, the mp40 and MP34 are just shitty EMPs

[brisk field]

Yeah buff everything to the point that the suomi is shit, I fuckin hate that thing

[sudden siren]

etc. etc.

[brisk field]

Who tf uses the mp40 lmao

[strong parrot]

listen all these guns are trash tier bro..but i can get kills with them but no one else can because im the best

[sudden siren]

Wat

Getting SMGs gold was fucking cancerously hard

My KD dropped I think by a full third

I had like an average 1.8-2 KD

[strong parrot]

sucks to suck ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sudden siren]

It's now like 1.1

[brisk field]

Yeah try getting gold on your snipers

[sudden siren]

Well no, I had to use garbage guns

[strong parrot]

yeah not really

[sudden siren]

Yes really

Can I see your stats bmac

[strong parrot]

[sudden siren]

I'm curious

[brisk field]

60 kills in prone for fucking iron sights you won't even use smh dice

[sudden siren]

I want you to enlighten me

Your gamer godliness eclipses mine, surely

[strong parrot]

why would you want to stain your eyes with such scrub stats?

[solid hinge]

Gold tanker was a grind as well

[brisk field]

I don't care about stats tbh

I'm pretty casual

[solid hinge]

sighs I like to think I am too but every time now I play im like whats the next assignment

[brisk field]

Same lmao

I just wanna be like stodeh with his quickscoping krag jørgensen

[solid hinge]

gonna try the 15 kills with an slr today

[brisk field]

I've completed all the assignments apart from the 25000 points in frontlines

[solid hinge]

yeah thats a rough one

[sudden siren]

Frontlines is horrendous

[solid hinge]

I want that stug body job

[brisk field]

honestly just go for kills like I do and ptfo once in awhile

fuck, my dads not streaming with my YouTube account is he

[neon loom]

Is the second left side flakpanzer upgrade good

[jovial forge]

Got my frontlines win by joining a dead sever where there were only 4 defends against us 6.

[sudden siren]

Man the tommy gun is laughably bad

literally only viable at point blank

[jovial forge]

It's been like that

[brisk field]

I can't believe I'm teaching my dad how to play apex even though he's in the fucking tutorial

[jovial forge]

For the longest time

[brisk field]

submachine guns need to shoot longer ranges even though they're made for close quarters

[sudden siren]

Literally every other SMG is powerful outside point blank

[brisk field]

use the Sten with 2x bro

[sudden siren]

And for a good distance past that

Even the suomi can kill in mid range

[jovial forge]

Lies

Thompson kicks hard for fast dps and quick kill times

Rpm I mean

[brisk field]

"a bad craftsman blames his tools"

[jovial forge]

[brisk field]

I read that in the game thought it meant something

[slate zephyr]

Im missing out on all the fun

[sudden siren]

Again

Blookester

I have all these guns we're discussing at nearly a thousand kills

[strong parrot]

also not using tap firing single auto on the thompson now

[sudden siren]

The thompson needs I think 7 shots to kill outside of extremely close range

[slate zephyr]

My pc messed up and getting the mobo replaced hopefully its just that

[sudden siren]

Also the recoil is mostly horizontal

The Suomi's is vertical

Much, much easier to control for mid range

[brisk field]

Why would you use the Tommy for longer ranges anyway

[sudden siren]

Because every other smg is fine in "longer ranges"

[brisk field]

Just use the Sten or right side ZK with 2x

[jovial forge]

Using a smg for range is setting yourself up for failure

[sudden siren]

And the Tommy is outclassed in point blank by like 2 other guns

[azure lark]

you don't use any SMG for long range, you use it to kill a squad after you smoke them. Very satisfying

[brisk field]

Are you OCD or something

[strong parrot]

@brisk field i want an smg that has the range of a sniper with the rof of an AR and the hip fire of an smg..is it too much to ask?!

[brisk field]

Ah

[sudden siren]

The only reason to use the Thompson is for cosplaying as a mobster

@strong parrot Do you not understand game balance?

I didn't think I'd have to explain "gun being worse at every range than other gun bad" but apparently I do?

[azure lark]

Or you sit in a house on a hot point, murder people with 50 rounds of Thompson

[strong parrot]

nah i cant understand giving infinite healing medics the best weapons

[brisk field]

I'd the game had good balance the suomi would be shit

[strong parrot]

talk down to me more kiddo

[jovial forge]

Everytime I see someone saying x is bad. Usually means they're bad with x

Game wise

[brisk field]

"a bad craftsman blames his tools"

[strong parrot]

no...i have all gold weapons!!

[azure lark]

lol

[strong parrot]

because thats supposed to like mean something?

[sudden siren]

Cool limerick

Doesn't apply to the situation

[azure lark]

Gold weapons suck, git gud and spend CC on cosmetics

XD

[sudden siren]

I'm not saying I'm losing because I use the thompson, I straight up don't use the thompson

I just wish it was decent

Unfortunately though.... Gun doing worse in every range than other gun is bad

Therefore I think it should be buffed

Apparently that's controversial?

[azure lark]

But the Thompson is decent

[brisk field]

Idk man the left side of the zk383 is basically the Tommy

[strong parrot]

new game idea

1 gun per class

all guns now the same

[brisk field]

@strong parrot no

[azure lark]

semi auto thompson can be a laser but at distance, it;s like 5 shots for a kill

[strong parrot]

oh thats not balance enough

1 gun for everyone?

fair?

[sudden siren]

Bmac.

Why don't you check patch notes

And tell me what happened to the Tommy gun

Over the last few patches

[strong parrot]

hmm I used it after it had its damage nerfed so I never played with it when it was ultra op...then i played with it after the select fire was added...great gun tbh

[azure lark]

Personally, I think SMGs are in a good spot though the patch next week will change the ZK

[sudden siren]

So it was nerfed

[strong parrot]

fun 900rpm close range gun that got a huge buff being able to tap fire 👌

[sudden siren]

So is the concept that

A weapon was over nerfed

Really that difficult to wrap your head around

[strong parrot]

hmm doesnt see this over nerfed weapon in question...perhaps its behind this thompson?

[azure lark]

I'm drunk and reading a text battle is fun

[sudden siren]

So you're saying it's my opinion

Again, another difficult concept

But maybe

just maybe

Maybe my opinion... differs from yours?!

[strong parrot]

everyone has the right to be wrong its ok, i wont exclude you from this category

[sudden siren]

Hey quick question

Why is it okay that the Tommy gun has a lower frame TTK than the Suomi in every range?

They both fit the same niche and one kills faster

[azure lark]

I dunno if I want to have fun with 150 round 900 ROF Darne or 50 Round 1200 ROF MG42 right now

[bronze grotto]

should i get bigmag suomi and tommy for rpm?

[strong parrot]

because this is a game and not a game played purely off of graphs?

[sudden siren]

"Your opinion is wrong"

"But it is supported by the actual game and is objectively worse in every range"

"Lol that's fake I don't believe it ttk don't real"

[azure lark]

Big mag Tommy for more accuracy and taking out a squad or more. Higher ROF tommy for game modes where there are more 1vs1 encounters

[sudden siren]

Why are you arguing about something if you're just going to say "LOL NOT REAL xD"

Join me in medic godhood @bronze grotto

Use the Suomi and EMP

[bronze grotto]

hmm tbf i've only tried bigmag suomi only recently

[strong parrot]

big mag tommy was fun, then i tried out fast tommy and i had more fun

[bronze grotto]

i haven't tested other combos

also how do i use the emp?

is it like mp40?

[strong parrot]

and then they added select fire and its like ok now i can kill at range too

[sudden siren]

Bmac you're gonna force me to do something

I'll have no choice...

[bronze grotto]

rn mp28 is my other go-to bigmag hipfirer

[strong parrot]

whats that...cry more?

nah not possible

[sudden siren]

Don't make me make a Chad Suomi Vs. Virgin Tommy gun

[bronze grotto]

[azure lark]

I can;t control higher ROF medic guns so I usually opt for lower ROF for accuracy and taking out more people. But in modes like Squad conquest, higher ROF is preferred

[sudden siren]

I spend my debilitating autism on playing this game for 19 hours a day

[bronze grotto]

guess ill try fast tommy after doing bigmag suomi

[sudden siren]

Not anthropomorphizing guns

That reminds me

People who don't play this game hate it

People who casually play this game love it

People who spend an insane amount of time on this game hate it

[azure lark]

don't hate it, hate all the rough edges

[sudden siren]

It's the Battlefield V horse shoe

[bronze grotto]

tfw i still haven;t gilded the g15

and they're nerfing its headshots

so bad

[sudden siren]

Fuck the g15

That shit is aids cancer

[azure lark]

sure, they're nerfing it, but, the mag size compensates for it

compared to other semi autos

[bronze grotto]

tfw get at least 15 headshot kills but only 2 was in the objective areas

[green elm]

CHAD SUOMI

[sudden siren]

The true redpill

Is that the molotov is OP

invisible fire is pretty awful

[bronze grotto]

but which one is chad and virgin: the bigmag or the 900rpm

[sudden siren]

Big mag suomi

100%

Never use anything else

[midnight nimbus]

@sudden siren Suomi doesn't kill faster than Tommy past 30m

and different spec options

[compact oxide]

It's all about the 1000rpm Suomi

[sudden siren]

Woah woah woah

So you're saying

[midnight nimbus]

981 RPM Suomi is basically your shotgun medic

[bronze grotto]

whats the slowest velocity small arms right now

[sudden siren]

The Suomi is slightly worse in long range?

As a short range weapon?!?!?!

Holy shit this changes everything bois

[azure lark]

I want a MMG Suomii right now

[midnight nimbus]

Thompson has worst velocity iirc

[azure lark]

150 Medic rounds of fuck everyone

[bronze grotto]

epic

[sudden siren]

A CQB smg that is garbage in CQB is suddenly great because the other CQB smg that is actually good in CQB can't snipe as well!!

By the way fam

The Suomi has vertical recoil

[midnight nimbus]

30m isn't that far away

[sudden siren]

Very easy to control

The Thompson has a heavy horizontal mix

[midnight nimbus]

Suomi has more hrec

[sudden siren]

Almost impossible to properly control

[bronze grotto]

dice plz gibe 3x scope mmg

[midnight nimbus]

Thompson just has a worse recoil pattern

but that's partially subjective

[bronze grotto]

is thompson still good for bigmag hipfiring

[azure lark]

Thompson has some major kick to it

[midnight nimbus]

MP28 is still best at bigmag hipfire

[sudden siren]

Actually

We agree

The MP28 is a sleeper

[azure lark]

MP40is pretty solid all the way around

[sudden siren]

Very good gun

Generally

If you want to use SMGs

Just don't use the MP34

That gun is fucking cursed

NEVER EVER use it

[compact oxide]

ZK with bigmag is best

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 is really good

[sudden siren]

It is not

[bronze grotto]

500rpm bipod 9mm

[compact oxide]

MP34 is great yeah

[midnight nimbus]

probably the best SMG for BFV sized maps

[bronze grotto]

[sudden siren]

It is objectively slower in every range than any other mid range SMG

[midnight nimbus]

no its not

[sudden siren]

In no situation is the MP34 ever as fast to kill as the STEN, EMP, or Suomi

[compact oxide]

ROF isn't everything

[sudden siren]

Dude

We went over this

[midnight nimbus]

it's objectively the fastest killing SMG in the game for most relevant engagement ranges

[sudden siren]

The TTK charts show the MP34 is much worse

I'm not arguing about this

Ya'llre wrong no matter what your opinion is

[compact oxide]

Yes we did, as that's a 100% accuracy

[azure lark]

A general rule of thumb I have in BFV is that, higher ROF matters in close quarter situations. For everything else, most opportunities to shoot people in the head matter and that comes with lower ROF

[sudden siren]

The MP34 is a straight downgrade to 3 other smgs

[midnight nimbus]

I made the TTK charts

[compact oxide]

Whereas the MP34 has the recoil and range for many different ranges plus more velocity

[midnight nimbus]

the MP34 can actually do >50m without falling apart

and has a nice recoil pattern

[compact oxide]

And it's even nice to use up close because you're hitting more bullets

[midnight nimbus]

MP40/Sten are its only competitors at 30-50

and the MP34 actually has a good bullet velocity for range

[compact oxide]

ZK is still slower right?

[midnight nimbus]

ZK is the same RoF

514

[compact oxide]

Velocity I mean

[midnight nimbus]

yes

everything has worse velocity than the MP34 in the SMG department

MP34 rapid fire is also extremely good since you can stack it with barrel bedding

[compact oxide]

I don't like the recoil of the rof

[midnight nimbus]

anyways, MP34 is by far the best ranged SMG in the game

[compact oxide]

Defs

[midnight nimbus]

I criminally underrated it at launch

but if I'm playing range, I just use SARs anyways

[compact oxide]

I find the ZK friendlier to use because of the recoil but it does have the lower vecocity and more damage drop-off

[midnight nimbus]

I think MP34 4-7 BTK damage model should be universal

and MP34 becomes 3-6 as an RSC SMG analogue

with a RoF decrease and recoil/spread changes

[compact oxide]

That would be incredible tbh

I'd go back to medic

[midnight nimbus]

MP40/Sten/ZK383 become a better versions of what the MP34 currently is, and the MP34 is something entirely fresh and new for the medic

[compact oxide]

I'd enjoy that as the mp34 is the best looking imo

[sudden siren]

The Mp34 is actually aesthetic as fuck

Though my favorite SMG looks has to be with the EMP

The EMP is super nice

Probably my favorite SMG honestly

The MP40 is nice too

[compact oxide]

I tried the EMP for a while but not the biggest fan anymore

[sudden siren]

Dude it's not even an SMG

[compact oxide]

It is though

A machine pistol is an SMG

The term SMG was actually made by the guy who made the Tommy gun

Before that it was just machine pistol

[sudden siren]

I meant to finish

Lol

It's practically an AR

[compact oxide]

Ah

Na, it's defs a little peashooter like all the SMGs

[midnight nimbus]

pistol caliber automatic = SMG

[compact oxide]

Pretty much

[sudden siren]

Most smgs are definitely pistol tier

[bronze grotto]

ACKYCHUYALLY the revolver has 2btk but none of the smg does

so not even

[sudden siren]

Here's a complaint

That nobody points out

I genuinely think the V2 is pretty bad

Should have a major damage buff tbh

[warped rivet]

Players got smarter

When the game just launched it was relatively easier to get more kills with V1.

But..lately most of players just run away from objectives or find somewhere to hide to prevent death ;(

[solid hinge]

Natural selection, at its finest

[bronze grotto]

ok this is it

i play decently literally only on arras and on no other map

[carmine frost]

One question
Anyone knows is Batelfield 4 still available to buy in form of digital code?
Platform is Xbox 360

[solid hinge]

someone in here bought it last week on xbone .. so yeah

oh 360 .. no idea

[azure lark]

When you're intoxicated, the 50 round 1,200 ROF MG42 is a pleasure to kill people with, even if they kill you instantly lol.

[sudden siren]

The final BFV redpill

Is using the MG42 as a shotgun

[bronze grotto]

zz

finally braved the krag (no, g15 gilding is still not done)

got one bodyshot kill and a headshot kill in 3 minutes before i get hosed down by a turner

is it good idea to pack the webley with the krag

or something faster like the p38 or m1912

[sudden siren]

Guys

Has anyone ever heard this?!

I couldn't revive someone

Got close but they died

And one of the guys near me said "Ah, you'll get your reward in heaven" really sadly

I recorded it!

Yes

Once the game ends I gotta clip it

So weird, never seen this

[compact oxide]

I haven't come across that either tbh

[bronze grotto]

pretty sure ive had the heaven line happen after reviving

maybe even just for healing too

iirc

so do i spray differently with the m1907 than compared to the smgs?

do i have to stop and burst or can i still just let loose, or different optimal ranges

[sudden siren]

Never let loose

The gun kicks HARD

Thank god the G15 is getting nerfed

Just got instantly killed in 2 shots at mid range

From full health

[stoic breach]

M1907 isnt an SMG

Gewehr 1-5 getting nerf?

It's a 3BTK with massive damage dropoff

It does Sten damage at range

[sudden siren]

Oh yeah

Getting a huge nerf

Thank christ

Thing is busted

[stoic breach]

The turner is stronger tho

I don't understand why its getting nerfed

[sudden siren]

All SaRs should be nerfed

[stoic breach]

Except G1-5

[sudden siren]

especially the G15

[bronze grotto]

so i still have to burst hipfire with m1907?

[sudden siren]

P much

[bronze grotto]

what sidearm should i take with the krag btw

revolver?

but bolt action is already slow

[sudden siren]

All players proned on their back should have some kind of gun glint

Getting un-fucking-believably sick of dying to invisible people that look exactly like corpses if they're even visible

[stoic breach]

Just take 1911

I have a revolver with fast firing weapons

[bronze grotto]

does the m1907 beat smgs by having better btk to compensate for the high recoil

[stoic breach]

Yes

It's a 4BTL

Btk

Fuck

Are you trying to use it for close range or midrange

[bronze grotto]

close range like in devastation

[stoic breach]

Yeah

[bronze grotto]

hipfire tree taken

[stoic breach]

I have hipfire upgrades on it and tap at mid

Yeah

Use nydar with it

[bronze grotto]

i was kicking ass with g15 at arras

[stoic breach]

I was dominating with the Drilling and M1928

[bronze grotto]

then devastation loaded and i get stomped by a m1907 user

who was being stomped by g15 in arras

[stoic breach]

Well

The M1907 is a good close to midranger

You can use the ADS path as well with Nydar

Its good

[bronze grotto]

map picks i suppose

[stoic breach]

Depends

[bronze grotto]

can hipfire still work with ads tree

at closrr range ofc

[sudden siren]

Honestly, I wouldn't recommend the M1907

It's really not worth using

[bronze grotto]

what ar do you use

[sudden siren]

The STG is fantastic

So is the Volk

The Ribey is great too

[bronze grotto]

the volkstg and stg44 definitely appeals with also having bigger mag than m1907

minting ribey was not as enjoyable

[solid hinge]

what about that 4 barreled gun from the bf1 artwork, that looks like a 1 shot kill

[livid scroll]

Bf1 frammer stop auto rekts noobs

I camped with it

So good

[simple marlin]

Wowee a proper damage nerf on the assault weapons, thats not too early

[sudden siren]

For anyone who's interested

I'm writing a full analysis/tier list of SMGs for Reddit

Here's my WIP

Top Tier:
Suomi KP/-31
EMP
Great Tier:
ZK-383
Good Tier:
MP40
MP28
STEN
Poor Tier:
M1928A1
Bottom/Dumpster Fire Tier
MP34

[livid scroll]

Suomi recoil

[simple marlin]

how's the thompson poor tier

[stoic breach]

The thompson is the meta

[sudden siren]

I'm going to be writing it with other guns in the category in mind

[stoic breach]

I wish it wasn't so strong so I wouldnt use it as much

[sudden siren]

I.e not writing of them in a vacuum

[stoic breach]

Huh

[sudden siren]

I'm judging them based on how they compare to others, in other words

The Thompson is a fine weapon, I'd probably put it up in mid tier

But it's pretty much statistically just a downgraded Suomi

There is very little to no situation in which a Suomi doesn't outperform the Tommy gun

[stoic breach]

The thompson has good tap and burst

[sudden siren]

I would say the Suomi is as good

The suomi performs quite well in mid range, the recoil pattern is very predictable and easy to control

[stoic breach]

The spray pattern for the Thompson has more verticle spray

[sudden siren]

I personally disagree

A lot of this is down to opinion

[stoic breach]

Do you play on pc or console

[sudden siren]

Ps4

[stoic breach]

Hm

I still find the thompson easier to control

[sudden siren]

The EMP is honestly a sleeper powerhouse

It's so good

[stoic breach]

Emp is love

Already good hipfire

Can upgrade to better hipfire

[simple marlin]

well, im guessing things are kinda different on console than on pc

so while doing your reddit tier list, you want to mention that it's a tier list for console

[dawn flame]

Is it normal to get massive frame rate drop on console at times? Happened twice in a single match

Playing on a PS4 pro to

[stoic breach]

I think its just ps4

Dice support for playstation has never been as good as xbox

[dawn flame]

Ah I see dang. I feel like I had like 10 frames at times which almost made me frozen

Hope Dice patches it

[sonic rampart]

I never had that on the ps4 until yesterday

It happened once

When I walked through smoke

[stoic breach]

Thats what happens to my laptop when playing CSGO

[sonic rampart]

I saw that 👀

[stoic breach]

Same

[solid hinge]

smoke has a tendency to do that on any platform

[dawn flame]

Ah I was going through smoke to

[simple marlin]

Well smoke effects on a lot of games are usually hard on the rig

Fortunately, I don't have this issue on BFV (well I got a beefy rig so) as I play a lot medic with the quadruple smoke loadout

[rocky verge]

I hate brain dead pilots on console

2 fighters see a ju88 killing us on grand operations

They do nothing

Me using AA tanks and aa guns

Just gets destroyed

[brisk field]

I swear to god if dice didn't send me the m1922 yet

[shut brook]

uh, I feel stupid to ask but, where do you buy the guns you missed in past tides of war?

[karmic summit]

You can't yet

[shut brook]

oh, well, so I wasn't blind or anything

[amber notch]

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[shut brook]

do default servers have rebalancing baked in? like, are the teams shuffled around after matches?

[brisk field]

The m1922 is pretty good

[rocky verge]

@shut brook yeah I remember when the game first came out I was on British winning team

Then it put me on German losing team

[shut brook]

even in game rebalancing...?

,,,come to think yeah I do remember that happening

just wondering because on front lines if you are in a loosing team you just loose multiple matches

[solid hinge]

Man I wounder if we will see a Naval Battle free DLC.Like Turning Tides.

[shut brook]

does seem to be a customary thing.... wouldn't be a BF game without wake island, especially with the era

[rocky verge]

When can we get the one outfit that gave ya German guy hair

I did not have enought CC but now I do and I need it

[compact oxide]

This coming update

[bronze grotto]

i spent 20k on a tank skin and i dont even use them a lot

[solid hinge]

@dawn flame ps4 frame drops and stuttering is an issue at the moment, people have unironically been getting 1fps

[bronze grotto]

ayla whats your sidearm for doing krag things

[opaque cipher]

Liberator

That way you know to accept death when engaged in CQC

Instead of putting too much effort in and dying

[solid hinge]

revolver for sure

I try to either engage people at beyond 30 metres or within 5

revolver has enough hipfire close up to consistently kill, lowest ttk of all the sidearms and a potential 3 kills in a mag

Even more if you headshot

It's also good for kills within 30 metres if you get the drop on them

[bronze grotto]

good deal

[solid hinge]

I used it even back when it had a 7m range

[pliant geyser]

god i hate playing frontlines

[bronze grotto]

i did pull off a polykill with it just once

[solid hinge]

!!!

[bronze grotto]

killed a guy and headshot the guy behind

[solid hinge]

God that sounds sexy

[bronze grotto]

blue moon stuff

i was considering taking the m1912 instead

[solid hinge]

I know it sounds like a faster firing sidearm would match with a slow bolt but the webley is basically a pocket primary

The m1912 is solid, but it's a 4 shot kill

No room for error if there's two people

and a big reload if you have any ammo left

[bronze grotto]

pocket rsc :o

[solid hinge]

It might work better for you but I've had way more luck engaging with the webley

[opaque cipher]

We’ll get the full auto Frommer stop soon enough

[bronze grotto]

except unlike the rsc it can ohk on headshot

[opaque cipher]

By then everyone just whip out their G18 and spray everyone down

[solid hinge]

it's really like a pocket slr!!

[bronze grotto]

revolvers are satisfying for gunning down people doing parkour rolls

[solid hinge]

I take throwing knives as well in case I get the drop on someone

Or I know someone's corner camping

Having a silent kill method is very useful

[bronze grotto]

idk i cant get the hang of aiming the throwing knife

[opaque cipher]

Just believe

[bronze grotto]

tho some snipers have shut me down trying to get behind them with it

does it have uh, spread

[opaque cipher]

It’s like shooting slugs

[bronze grotto]

for a knife

[opaque cipher]

Just lead and you’ll hit it

If you focus it’s less likely to happen

That’s how I found it anyways

[bronze grotto]

does movement or posture affect the throw

[solid hinge]

I had ass aim with it at the start but I think it's consistent? It seems to come from the left which can put you off sometimes

Might be worth lobbing it at a wall a few times for testing

[rocky verge]

M3 drilling good

Why have I not used it more often

[solid hinge]

I'm pretty sure it's accurate whatever you're doing when you chuck it

[opaque cipher]

Yeah just train the muscle memory to throw as soon as you spot someone and start dragging your mouse along where they’re moving

[bronze grotto]

underslung martini henry on a shotgun mm

[solid hinge]

Or at least not inaccurate enough to affect a 10 metre kill

[bronze grotto]

yeah i'll try out the recon life once i gild the g15

eventually

[solid hinge]

Knife is useful for panic throws too

[rocky verge]

I fell like the M1 grand might be a SFL

[pliant geyser]

SFL ?

[solid hinge]

Sometimes there's not enough time to swap to revolver and they're too far away to panic bayonet

[rocky verge]

Self loading rifle

[pliant geyser]

for assault or recon ?

[rocky verge]

Fuck my spelling

Yeah recon

[bronze grotto]

would it be better to take bayonet

it would take away swaying if i get something to bipod on

[rocky verge]

Most self loading rifles on there only have what

[bronze grotto]

tho im too used to machine guns

[rocky verge]

6 to 5 bullets

[bronze grotto]

so it might be different on how often a recon bipods

[rocky verge]

And m1 grand has how many

7 or 6 so I can see it in self loading rifle

[bronze grotto]

clip of 8

[rocky verge]

Ah

So maybe it will be in self loading rifle

[bronze grotto]

clip being bigger than other slr's mags

[rocky verge]

And for once recons won't be 200M behind your team with that gub

Gun*

They will be pushing and PTFO

[bronze grotto]

waiting for a rof buff to slr

like maybe make upgraded model 8 have at least selb1916's base rof

[rocky verge]

Make the model 8 have its 24 rounds like in bf1

[bronze grotto]

mag spec

reminder that the kar98 also has a 20 round magazine too

[dreamy barn]

@amber notch try becoming a mod there again

[amber notch]

No thanks.

[rocky verge]

Modmin

[opaque cipher]

Madmin

[rose pilot]

i. hate. this. mode.

[rocky verge]

I wonder how much the elite outfit will cost the one with the unique best squad animation

[amber notch]

Just buy the weapon next week

lol

[rose pilot]

i gotta get XP

ToW xp

[amber notch]

there are 4 more weeks

you can get more than enough

lol

[rocky verge]

Nah Peter you like that game mode

[amber notch]

im not touching this weeks ToW

its fucking horrible

I almost bet one week will be TDM

and then domination afterwards

[rose pilot]

2 days progress. Do I get a pat on my shoulder?

[rocky verge]

2 day progress

[opaque cipher]

@rose pilot I’m doing my part

[rose pilot]

actually

3 days

[rocky verge]

1 day progress because I have no life

[amber notch]

yikes

[rocky verge]

[rose pilot]

More Apex Legends less Frontlines pls

[ivory geyser]

@amber notch #general

[opaque cipher]

0 day progress because I have enough coins to buy the gun

[rocky verge]

@rose pilot reverse card

[amber notch]

@ivory geyser what?

[rocky verge]

More fortnite less apex legends

[opaque cipher]

I got my ToW 1 gold dogtag and will never do ToW again

Especially one this long

[amber notch]

more division less frontlines thanks

[rocky verge]

It's only 88800 XP at rank 30

[ivory geyser]

@amber notch I asked you a question in gen

[amber notch]

yeah

and im not responding to it

[rose pilot]

I have the I Was There dog tag. Idont need any more

[ivory geyser]

Fuck you

[opaque cipher]

More Anthem less BFV thanks

[amber notch]

[rocky verge]

Scrubs

[solid hinge]

@bronze grotto I'd take bayonet over bipod, the sway is minimal even when moving if you take the accuracy specs and becomes basically 0 if you hold your breath

[rocky verge]

More payday 2 less fortnite

[ivory geyser]

More BFV less POW thanks

[solid hinge]

taking bipod just turns you into a target against other snipers

[dreamy barn]

@ivory geyser dadmin roasted me

Can u roast him pls for me

[solid hinge]

bayonet is a solid option at close ranges

[ivory geyser]

@dreamy barn easy

[dreamy barn]

THX

[ivory geyser]

Dadmin is a rood boy, I'll roast him easily

[rose pilot]

More teamwork challenges less MMG challenges

[amber notch]

@dreamy barn LMAO

[rocky verge]

More MMG

Less teamwork

[solid hinge]

I literally don't prone ever as a recon unless it's to shoot under a car or hide or something

[rocky verge]

[wind pendant]

only prone when using iron sights

[rocky verge]

Only prone with recon doing the mastery challange

Rest nah

Where it get prone kills

[undone isle]

i thought its kill ppl who is in prone, not u

[rocky verge]

I have so much CC but I wanna lose it all

[opaque cipher]

Buy vehicle cosmetics

[rocky verge]

I need to get those tides of war 1 outfits the one that gave ya German guy hair and the allies guy with 1 eye and the 2 elite uniforms

The one with the unique best squad animation

And was in the trailer

@opaque cipher nah

[opaque cipher]

Do it you won’t

[rocky verge]

I got the last tiger skin for tiger and the tides of war 1 skin for panzer 4

[opaque cipher]

[rocky verge]

Nah

[undone isle]

just buy weapon skins

[rocky verge]

Nah

Got the chrome Lee Enfield

Dont like it

And on others guns

[undone isle]

i spent over 50k for stg

[rocky verge]

Nah

I will save then

For the mint and gold assigment

And the urban blue and predator skins

You get for ranking up

[undone isle]

the gold skin is the worst skin

[rocky verge]

Meh

I like it

[undone isle]

wtf

[rocky verge]

[undone isle]

[rocky verge]

Maybe once we get all guns gold it will be like cod and give us diamond camo

Jk JK

[undone isle]

mostly i use chrome and night? or what is it, dont remember now

[swift condor]

All guns gold and we get a refund

Sounds like a plan

[rocky verge]

pulls out golden mg34,mg42,Lewis gun,stg 44,MP40,gewher m95/30 gold camo allight

[atomic drift]

yeet finally got a kd of 1

[rocky verge]

@atomic drift drops to 0.99 next game

[atomic drift]

@rocky verge it better not

[swift condor]

Gold torso, legs and helmet

[undone isle]

just 1? 😮

[atomic drift]

this is my first bf game so im happy with a kd of 1

[rocky verge]

@atomic drift all the ladies be on ya now

[opaque cipher]

And then you’ll do assignments and have a KD of 0.1

[rocky verge]

That 1 kd is deadly

[atomic drift]

they better be

ikr

[undone isle]

grab plane or tank and make better kd

[atomic drift]

plane?

nah mate ill kill my slef

self

[rocky verge]

I use the stuka 1

With the 1000KG bomb

[undone isle]

i dont use plane aswell

[atomic drift]

no idea what that is lmao

[undone isle]

but tank.. damn, its cool

[rocky verge]

Best KD maker right there

[swift condor]

Can't believe the Stuka cannons are ass

[rocky verge]

@atomic drift in bf5 the sound of horns loud AF

You dont here those?

That's the stuka

[undone isle]

i love the stuka sounds

[atomic drift]

yeah good thing im deaf in one ear

[swift condor]

By the time guns overheat, you do like 20 damage

[undone isle]

always shit my pants

[rocky verge]

When you get a headshot in a stuka

Aim 0.1 increase

[undone isle]

@atomic drift what class you play?

[atomic drift]

all

[rocky verge]

Support all the way

[undone isle]

bleh, support

[rocky verge]

[undone isle]

i bet you are a bipod plebos

[rocky verge]

Nah

LMG RUSH

OR MMG RUSH

NO BIPOD

RUSH RUSH

[undone isle]

ah cool, you are trying be rambo

[rocky verge]

@undone isle no

Rush B

Always

B

[undone isle]

hehe

[compact oxide]

Just never play support and full rambo with scout 😎

[rocky verge]

Ewww

Recon

Shall I order some s'mores recon while you be camping

[undone isle]

assault is the right way

[swift condor]

All about medic

[compact oxide]

Recon or medic only

[swift condor]

With a Thompson with drum mag

[compact oxide]

Not even gotten support or assault to 20

[undone isle]

heh

[swift condor]

No kills in a plane but top 81% in score