battlefield-legacy-titles

[little fjord]

At reduced accuracy/control

[bronze grotto]

but tracers still visible?

and your noggin too ofc

[solid hinge]

slightly more accuracy in exchange for significantly less boolet

only 60 in a mag without the extra

[little fjord]

I don't use the vgo but maybe I'll start and see if I like it with 981 rpm

[solid hinge]

and even the extra is only up to 100

I want a BIG mag

[sonic rampart]

100 is big tho

[solid hinge]

Not big enough.

[bronze grotto]

tfw 250 round belt is not really a mag

[sonic rampart]

Just reload

[solid hinge]

where are you even carrying those 250 bullets

are you running round with them strapped round your legs

[icy sluice]

To fucking rain death on 20 people

[bronze grotto]

mg42 can shoot about 75 rounds nonstop before it overheats

i think

[icy sluice]

The belt is a belt I am wearing

[little fjord]

At which point I usually reload anyway

[solid hinge]

Mg34 has a 75 round heat limit

Useful for the drum mag

[little fjord]

So I'm not sure I really benefit from 250 rnds half the time

But 60 at 981 rpm isn't much

[solid hinge]

It feels too small

[bronze grotto]

981rpm is already equal to suomi

[solid hinge]

Ported barrel or light bolt on mg34

[bronze grotto]

bipode makes it a laser

1200rpm is overkill

[topaz dome]

join squad conquest, down by a ton of points, only 2 players of the 8 on my team have actually spawned - this is why I am below 50% win rate

[bronze grotto]

and still makes you reload all the time

i think mg34 benefits most from ported barrel

to minmax its laser accuracy

and fits with making vgo the middle ground between accurate mg34 and bullet spam mg42

[solid hinge]

That's what I was reckoning

[bronze grotto]

i've been using the mp28 bigmag hipfire quite well

[solid hinge]

Maybe I'll take recoil buffer instead of high velocity for that literal laser fire

I'm looking forward to getting bigmag hipfire on the mp28

[bronze grotto]

idk when im gonna be ready to move on to the bigboi suomi and thompson

good players can snipe me with it

is it best to go 900rpm with them or bigmag it

kinda bummed dice seems to be not doing caliber balancing as much?

cuz .45 does same damage as the 9x19 peashooters in the rest of the medic weapons

except the mp34 with slightly higher damage

9x25 i think

[solid hinge]

I bigmag the suomi

It shoots so fast you barely need the extra fire rate

Plus you can actually control the aiming with bigmag

Thompson used to do more damage I think but got nerfed for being too good

[primal sandal]

best bf

is bf5

[little fjord]

Suomi with 20 round mag is a little extreme

[primal sandal]

prove me wrong

[bronze grotto]

wonder if the american m1a1 thompson is gonna appear

maybe they'll actually give it .45 damage

[solid hinge]

It feels like people don't die until the entire mag is gone with the fast suomi

[bronze grotto]

and also with the m1a1 thompson having less rpm

650 max i think

could be a ghetto assault rifle for medics

how about 900rpm thompson?

[primal sandal]

zoinks

stfu

[midnight nimbus]

or just give medics ARs...

[primal sandal]

thompson is a uk gun

not american

and the ppsh is a german gun

[midnight nimbus]

ppsh is russian

[primal sandal]

why isnt it in bf5

[bronze grotto]

wat

m1928 thompson was used by some british units

[primal sandal]

i was joking

[bronze grotto]

but most of US moved on to use the m1a1

then the m3 grease gun

[primal sandal]

yea

now your killing

[shrewd grove]

I can't wait till they add the grease gun tbh

That gun sounds so good irl

[primal sandal]

yea

its like your hair

grease

[bronze grotto]

the swedes made a thompson copy

[shrewd grove]

Swedes made weird guns

Italians too

[bronze grotto]

fnab-43 lel

[shrewd grove]

And Czech weapons were also incredibly weird

But some were hits weirdly enough

Broken clock right twice a day I suppose

[bronze grotto]

like the zk383 in bf5 :p

[shrewd grove]

Ye

[bronze grotto]

the zb vz 26 was also the basis for the brengun

[shrewd grove]

Also I like that they finally fixed the model of the FG42 to fire on an open bolt like it did irl

[bronze grotto]

im a bit intrested when the darne comes out

iirc data leaks say it is 150rd standard

and can be 770 and 900rpm

[shrewd grove]

Isn't the darne the reward for the week starting tomorrow

[bronze grotto]

with 250 round belt upgrade but no 900rpm

yea

[shrewd grove]

Ah alright

[midnight nimbus]

200 round upgrade

[shrewd grove]

I'm really interested to see what it'll be like

[bronze grotto]

900rpm with 150 round belt mm

i think thats not bad if im going to stick to faction weapons

as an mg42 substitute

[shrewd grove]

It might be my favourite gun if its as interesting as it sounds

I stick to faction weapons too lol

[bronze grotto]

i already have the white tiger skin for it too

when im not doing assignments i do faction weapons

but im almost always doing a weapon assignment

[shrewd grove]

The only time I don't do faction weapons is when I'm playing British support since I don't like the Bren and Lewis so I use the FG42

[bronze grotto]

im torn between the g15's bigmag or the turner's 50m 3btk range

the bren is not bad for laser magdumps

[shrewd grove]

It isn't but I can't stand it's hipfire

[bronze grotto]

i go full right side i thinks

[shrewd grove]

The Bren and FG42 are my two favourite LMGs

[midnight nimbus]

Darne is gonna be good

1919 too when it's out

[bronze grotto]

see lewis players with nut kd/r

[icy sluice]

People are going to hate the Darne :v

As in like, hate dying by it

[bronze grotto]

cheaters and their lewis addiction

is there stats leak yet for m1919?

[shrewd grove]

I think if I try to keep anything realistic with my characters it's just outfits

[bronze grotto]

im imagining m1919 to be bigmag mg34

[shrewd grove]

With my Germans I make sure the pouches they have on their outfits match what they'd be using for their gun

So like the small squares for the G43

[bronze grotto]

i just put on my class mastery outfits for both lel

[shrewd grove]

Since they were used for clips but big pouches were used for mags

[bronze grotto]

i like the greeble

[shrewd grove]

The only one I use clan mastery on is the torso part of the German support one

[bronze grotto]

hades set is fire

[shrewd grove]

Since it has a cleaning kit, ammo box, and ammo belt over the shoulders

[bronze grotto]

mm the m1917 in bf1 lol

watercooled machine gun heavier than the sentry mg08 iirc

[solid hinge]

150 round 770 is all I need

[bronze grotto]

and im just ads'ing it and dumping the 250 box

lewis has watercooled barrel but still gets to be an lmg 🤔

and the newer lighter vgo gets to be the mmg

i keep the lewis barrel stock with the watercooling removed

[shrewd grove]

Same

[bronze grotto]

i think they do that too irl

i cant wait for chauchat tho

[shrewd grove]

As much as I like the arras skin having the water cooled barrel would be dumb

[bronze grotto]

mostly because its probably going to be 3btk

[shrewd grove]

Oh yeah I made sure all my Germans were wearing bergmütze too

[bronze grotto]

basically assault sar

[shrewd grove]

The chauchat was the best in BF1

[bronze grotto]

full auto turner

WITH BIPOD

[topaz dome]

hmm, lost connection to ea servers but didn't lose internet this time

[bronze grotto]

and detachable mag

[shrewd grove]

How many shots to kill was the chauchat in bf1

[bronze grotto]

i think it was also 3btk

[shrewd grove]

I remember it being really fast

[bronze grotto]

it has to be dealing more damage certainly

360rpm ingame i think

[shrewd grove]

In the campaign it seems to do garbage for damage so I hope it's not like that in the multiplayer

[sullen mist]

It was the best, can't wait to see the Sho Sho in bfV

[bronze grotto]

it was 240rpm irl

[sullen mist]

It actually operated really well in multiplayer in bfV

For the few people that unlocked it

Somehow

[shrewd grove]

Oh yeah I heard about that

[bronze grotto]

idk in tirailleur the chauchat was awesome

[shrewd grove]

I never saw it though

[bronze grotto]

it ohk with headshot on the germans? sp only though

[sullen mist]

I saw someone using it on Devastation, think it had the same 3bhk

[shrewd grove]

I like that they finally added the bolting animation to the end of the full reload on the chauchat now too

[sullen mist]

Yeah, was curious why that wasn't in bf1

[shrewd grove]

Same

It still feels really good to use too

[bronze grotto]

i have bf1 and i better not have to pay cc or do some assignments for the goddamn chauchat

[shrewd grove]

Now I want to play Tirailleur again just to use the chauchat

[bronze grotto]

cant wait to roleplay as an assault with it

[shrewd grove]

lol

Might as well

Just wear the assault max rank outfit

[bronze grotto]

ofc i could go the jjohn007 route

and pick it up as another class

like the medic

[shrewd grove]

I always pick up medic weapons as a support

If I see one

[bronze grotto]

nabbing a mg42 tho

mm

how does recon sniper spot on hit work

my god it would be bonkers on an mmg

inb4 the spot only works on native recon primaries

[shrewd grove]

Oh yeah something also good about Russian weapons when they get added to the game eventually is it'll make sense for a German to use one since they captured a lot due to their resource shortages

[bronze grotto]

cant wait for the svt40

its going to be an even better mas-44 probably

[shrewd grove]

I want the DP28 lol

[bronze grotto]

cuz muh assignments

450rpm 3btk

[shrewd grove]

I feel like the PPSH-41 if it was added

Would beat all medic guns

[bronze grotto]

drum mag at last

[shrewd grove]

Ye

[bronze grotto]

suomi had drums but i guess they were saving it for ppsh

[shrewd grove]

If it had the drum alongside it's fast fire rate it would beat both the thompson and suomi

[bronze grotto]

it has to have the mp28 upgrade path but with 900rpm

bigmag hipfire

[shrewd grove]

That'd be great

Also it'd be fun to have the mosin back

Id like if they kept all the reloading animations from bf1

[bronze grotto]

im bummed the 1/5 animations for most rifles in bf5 to not be applied fully

only the g95 does such reload rn

afaik

[terse harbor]

Who’s ready for week 4 challenges of tow

[bronze grotto]

like the arisaka and mosin ejects the last round so it can be fed a whole clip

[shrewd grove]

I'm ready to hate Frontlines compared to how good it was in bf1

[terse harbor]

How does frontline work

[bronze grotto]

but vanilla guns like the k98 has you slowly load one by one if you still have the last round

[terse harbor]

Never played it

[bronze grotto]

you focus on one cap only

if you cap it you will cap another one closer to the enemy base

until you reach it and you blow up their radio station

[shrewd grove]

Ye it can move back and forth too

If you move them to their radio station they have to defend for 60 reinforcements and once the reinforcements are out they attack you

[terse harbor]

So like domination

[bronze grotto]

i want the italian fnab-43 to show up
400 rpm, dice could have it be low btk smg for medics

like a medic's chauchat

[shrewd grove]

I imagine Italian guns shouldn't take too long to get in

We already have an Italian helmet in the files

[bronze grotto]

i like how all the bf1 french dlc weapons were focused on low rof hard hitters

bipod smg, chauchat, rsc

[sullen mist]

Man I want my French Adrian helmet already

[solid hinge]

What kinda Italian weapons would fit for BFV ?

[bronze grotto]

i dont think french duds were in the leaked cosmetics video

[solid hinge]

I can only think Automatico from BF1

[bronze grotto]

dont remember seeing any sort of adrians

carcano plz

[sullen mist]

Modello 38

[solid hinge]

Because I only know beretta pistol and M9 Autoshotgun

r/imfunny

[shrewd grove]

Carcano would be amazing

And like zoinks said the FNAB-43 would be great

[solid hinge]

Dude, they GOTTA add the Carcano that was used in WW2

[bronze grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430660503216324609/542802516711178278/unknown.png

oh ok

no embeds

but idk what kinda helmet is that

chinese?

[solid hinge]

But tbh, where would italians even fit again?

[bronze grotto]

italy theater when

tho later on it was a german affair too i thinks

[sullen mist]

Oh wait, they could add the Scotti model 32

North Africa as well

[bronze grotto]

italian stuff coming around crete could be nice

[solid hinge]

I only know Pacific, Soviet, Spanish and French Resistance theatres

[sullen mist]

And the Greece campaign is possible

[solid hinge]

And I don’t even know proper names

[sullen mist]

Since they needed Germany to win it

[shrewd grove]

Actually for Greece Italians would fit

[solid hinge]

They are adding Greece campaign in Trial by Fire

[bronze grotto]

they could a breda as hotchkiss equivalent

[shrewd grove]

I imagine since the game focuses on some "forgotten" battles of WW2 some of the ones with Italians would fit

[bronze grotto]

clip lmg lul

[sullen mist]

Ah that reminds me

[little fjord]

@solid hinge ago with extended mag feels good

[sullen mist]

There's a MC.202 in one of the concept arts

[solid hinge]

In that case, we are totally gonna have the Spanish civil war

[little fjord]

Only thing I don't like is there is no 2x sights

[bronze grotto]

practical 150rpm for the breda

[fathom pebble]

@bronze grotto chinese helmets were similar to german ones

[solid hinge]

Although, you can’t add many weapons for that since Spain used a lotta weapons that already are in BFV

[bronze grotto]

2btk lmg

[shrewd grove]

The Breda would be cool tbh

[sullen mist]

Kuomintang helmets were imported by Germans

[shrewd grove]

Clip lmgs are weird but fun to see

[bronze grotto]

so germans were the users too?

[solid hinge]

I wonder if we will ever get more class archetypes

[little fjord]

Not in bfv

[bronze grotto]

dedicated spotter for recons please

[sullen mist]

I'm hoping for more classes, Sirland hinted at the possibility of flame troopers before

Not as an elite class but an individual class

[shrewd grove]

Classes and roles would be super cool

[little fjord]

Maybe more combat roles

[bronze grotto]

[solid hinge]

Seems op and lackluster

[bronze grotto]

let me use both spotting scope and flares again

ree

[little fjord]

More combat roles would be cool

[bronze grotto]

flamers suck

[shrewd grove]

It could be fun if a flamethrower guy is balanced by being killed super easy lol

[solid hinge]

If they add a class that can only use a single weapon, that’d be lame

[bronze grotto]

it'd be like a limper crocodile flamer

does anyone actually make good use of the croc flamer

[solid hinge]

I have a good idea though

[sullen mist]

I mean they can just implement it like the bad company 2 Vietnam flamethrower, good cqc weapon but you are easily exposed

[solid hinge]

You know how cavalry works in BFV, si?

[bronze grotto]

pisspoor damage im pretty sure i have assaults waltzing in the flames with barely 20 damage

[little fjord]

If you use flamethrower when you die there is a chance you explode and burn all your teammates

[bronze grotto]

flamers and the like could be a battlefield pickup

[azure lark]

Loved the medic flamethrower in BC2Vietnam

[bronze grotto]

with squad reinforcement calling it in

[solid hinge]

What if we had elite classes that we can pick similarly to vehicles and cavalry, we’d have one spawn and we could choose an elite class

[shrewd grove]

If it worked like Vietnam that'd be great

[bronze grotto]

elite class could be a squad reinf spawn too

like pakwagon

[sullen mist]

Eh...with the way squad reinforcement spawning works I'd rather they actually redesign it first

[rocky verge]

Shoot the flamethrower guys back and watch him blow up like the 4th of July

[solid hinge]

Imagine the Tank Hunter class in BF1

[rocky verge]

[bronze grotto]

before they do flamers i hope they're going to consider making it actually have good damage

[solid hinge]

I think of PTRS-41

[bronze grotto]

unlike the suckodile rn

[sullen mist]

[amber notch]

It would most likely be a squad call in.

[rocky verge]

Badmin

[sullen mist]

I'm more thinking it would be like bc2 Vietnam's flamethrower

[solid hinge]

Bc2’s flamethrower was weak

Because it had very limited ammo and very short range

[shrewd grove]

Flamethrower guys should do a lot of damage but overheat quickly and die easily, like Rising Storm 2

[bronze grotto]

what do you guys think of the crocodile right now tho

in my limited experience the flamer sucks

[solid hinge]

I’ve played a lot of flame trooper. It is viable for cqb, nowhere else

I say, if flame trooper was a class like a tanker...

It should have a few options for incendiary weapons and maybe pistol carbines

[rocky verge]

@shrewd grove and blow up and light teammates close to them on fire

[shrewd grove]

That's what I was thinking @solid hinge

Having access to their own special weapons would add more incentive

Especially pistol carbines or stuff like that

[solid hinge]

Like an incendiary Trench Gun, an M2 flamethrower, fire crossbow idk

[rocky verge]

Be a drunk flamethrower Russian

Then u have God mode

[shrewd grove]

lol

[solid hinge]

Other ideas for elite classes could definetly be a Sentry

[shrewd grove]

I feel like elite classes to some extent could be their own classes or something, they'd just need to be balanced in a very specific way

[rocky verge]

Add the katushka

[bronze grotto]

machine pistols were leaked as medic weapons i think?

[solid hinge]

They just have to be limited per team

Like tanks

[bronze grotto]

stuff like the frommer stop auto and m1912/p16

[shrewd grove]

If they got limited per team that'd actually be perfect

Probably

[bronze grotto]

the m1912 machine pistol was lol

[solid hinge]

Ima say this right now

[bronze grotto]

900rpm 8x2 clip machine pistol

[solid hinge]

I love compact weapons

I love pistol carbines, machine pistols, shotgun revolvers, etc

[shrewd grove]

Pistol carbines in BF1 were really fun

[solid hinge]

I have a high appreciation for compact weapons but not too compact

[bronze grotto]

there's also that assault pistol carbine from bf1

which was a stat clone to the pedersen m1903

[solid hinge]

That’s why I use a pistol carbine instead of an lmg and get killed easily

Its not a clone

It has more hip fire accuracy and less ads accuracy

[bronze grotto]

oh

[shrewd grove]

Ye cuz it was a trench version I think

It also had a patrol version with a scope

I think

[solid hinge]

Yeah, it does

[bronze grotto]

i never got to play bf1 again

i think i missed out on the patrol weapons update

[solid hinge]

Still wish I had pistol carbines for medic and scout

[bronze grotto]

last i played bf1 was to check out the silenced enfield 1917

[solid hinge]

In fact, I wish I had a game with over a thousand weapons available

Garry’s Mod doesn’t cut it

[bronze grotto]

pistol carbines are leaked for medics probably

[solid hinge]

It doesn’t have pistol carbines

[bronze grotto]

machien pistols?

theres leaks for machine pistols tho

[solid hinge]

Okay, gnight

[bronze grotto]

👋🏻

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/9zmi67/confirmed_and_leaked_bf5_weapons_so_far/

[topaz dome]

no grease gun

[solid hinge]

I have a little prediction

They could add an AK-47 prototype (a 1942 SMG)

[bronze grotto]

there was a certain as-44

[shrewd grove]

Oh god the astra 900

Plsss

[marble phoenix]

the STG is the AK's predecessor

[midnight nimbus]

Astra is coming

[bronze grotto]

i want to use the m1912/p16 again

that machine pistol for bf1 assault

funky double clip loaded thing with 900rpm

[marble phoenix]

i need my pistol to be single fire

i already got an automatic

[icy sluice]

I want a C96

[bronze grotto]

isnt tbe astra a c96 clone

[icy sluice]

One can only speculate

It does use the model of it yeah

[neon loom]

Do I have to capture 10 objective points in breakthrough? It's not counting for conquest or squad conquest

[midnight nimbus]

P.16 is coming back too

[bronze grotto]

c96 as carbine
m1a1 clone

[marble phoenix]

you can capture obj in any mode to count towards Tides

[shrewd grove]

Model 12 shotgun sounds really cool

I also really like the idea of the Madsen coming back

I liked that gun more than I thought I would

[midnight nimbus]

Madsen is coming back too

it's ok

[bronze grotto]

wouldnt the madsen be a faster firing bren

like it would overlap with ke7

[midnight nimbus]

slots right in between

in RoF

i'd take it over KE7

[neon loom]

@marble phoenix It's not counting

[shrewd grove]

I would also take it over the KE7 lol

[stone brook]

https://twitter.com/Braddock512/status/1093163198578970625

AAA game

[amber notch]

Least its coming with the update

More content for us

[stone brook]

yea at least something will be fixed in a week (allegedly) that should have been fixed weeks ago

Thanks Dice!

Being able to buy the weapons should have never been broke in the first place

If DICE had any form of Q&A at all it wouldn't have passed beta stages

Can't expect much from a small indie company though I guess

[soft storm]

Once you suspend all forms of standards you have for the game industry, everything starts to look great

[amber notch]

Think of it like this, say they release it now, what if it doesnt work?
Least with it being released with the update we are almost guaranteed its going to work

[stone brook]

Well if it doesn't work then it will be like the rest of the game

So no one will notice

But it doesn't

I can't buy the weapons

I could before the TOW patch

[amber notch]

Its not working for anyone, people cant buy the ToW weapons.

[stone brook]

More like a work in progress

[strong parrot]

guys....youre not getting it bfv is trash unfinished ea bad...smh

[soft storm]

That is why I’ve found other games to fulfill the time I would’ve spent playing BFV

[strong parrot]

If you people played on the bleeding edge of whats possible all the time perhaps youd see these glaring issues

[amber notch]

[violet finch]

Wut

[stone brook]

No need to panic, Dice and EA are doing great

[violet finch]

Nice pic

[gray glade]

i reckon they tried to do too much in too little time

[amber notch]

Mhmm

[strong parrot]

EA stocks down, company basically dead

[amber notch]

The mindset of every hater

I can see through your little scheme

[strong parrot]

Nah man, you just dont know what youre talking about!

[soft storm]

That’s funny, because the stock market in general is down

[amber notch]

[stone brook]

BFV only missed 3Q sales projections by 1 million

They're fine

[strong parrot]

Doesnt count digital sales*?

[stone brook]

Give me more Early Access games for full price please EA, love you!

[amber notch]

Do you enjoy it "yes" then thats all

Just dont buy it

[strong parrot]

but...my outrage?

[amber notch]

overused

already happened

[soft storm]

People are acting like buying BFV is like having a child. You can always drop BFV at any time.

[desert dune]

[stone brook]

well technically i didn't pay full price

got a key for $40

[gray glade]

one million less, from what ?

[stone brook]

and my other account was free

[strong parrot]

wait...you play on the bleeding edge with 2 accounts?!

[stone brook]

i'd really be mad if I paid for deluxe

[gray glade]

how much did they expect it to sell?

[amber notch]

8 million?

I think

It managed to get 7.1million or something along those lines

not every game is a fortnite level

ok

[strong parrot]

so youre saying we need to get ninja to stream bfv?

[amber notch]

"its getting less viewers on twitch than most other triple A games"

Ok?

@strong parrot yes

[strong parrot]

Damnb

[amber notch]

ninja streams

the kids buy it

easy profit

[strong parrot]

perfect storm :schemehands:

Lol...do you love him playing support?

maybe 1 in 10 people he gives ammo to

[stone brook]

no one streams bfv that I find worth watching

[strong parrot]

oh god

Wait...I mean why is that good sir?

[stone brook]

[soft storm]

Remember? 56k won’t watch it unless they’re operating at the top level of play.

[amber notch]

Just turn on post notifications

[strong parrot]

Literal trash

[amber notch]

Nobody wants to watch someone being killed over and over

like honestly

[strong parrot]

"does this snutten cat ( haha get it?) even know what button to press to shoot his gun?"

[amber notch]

yikes?

[strong parrot]

implying you is bad, duh

also...yikes spm down like .5

[stone brook]

@soft storm That must have left some sort of impression on you to remember that, I didn't remember.

[strong parrot]

I mean.....when a line is just top levels of absurdity I tend to remember it, I enjoy laughing what can I say

[stone brook]

What;s absurd about it?

[amber notch]

self promoting

I see your little scheme

[shrewd grove]

EA = bad
Geraldo = good

Yong out!

[strong parrot]

that was disgusting

[shrewd grove]

Remember to donate to my patreon guys

[wary mason]

👀

[solar bear]

Honestly I thought BF V was an indie game at first, definitely not AAA title worthy imho

[icy sluice]

lol

[solid hinge]

[sullen mist]

YongYea

More like

Yeah

[fossil pond]

Swaskitas and more gore!

That’s what BF v needs

Screw the SJW

[soft storm]

[strong parrot]

I need a 10foot pole emote for situations like this

[soft storm]

I hate the modern gaming community

[icy sluice]

Gore would be nice and would fit the theme but probably won't work too well. The way I see it working would be since roadkills are non-revivable no matter how slow the hit, there should be something

I remember CoD WWII if the tank ran you over, your body instantly vaporized which was hilarious.

[rotund sentinel]

Hey why are you not sanitater any more

[shrewd grove]

Because he had more score as recon

Or something

Honestly tho gore would be fun

Especially with BF1 it would've been

Or at least if the area you're fighting in is supposed to be wartorn it'd be good to have things laying around to show you besides rubble

Like Passchendaele from BF1

[teal phoenix]

Honest question that I'll probably get flak for

If this game is obviously rated M

Why TF do we need chat censors

[strong parrot]

why cant i type shit or fuck in chat? i know

[teal phoenix]

Oh my god yes

[strong parrot]

oh wait I tried to type 'uhh' at the start of my sentence last night in chat

and got filtered

[teal phoenix]

XD

it baffles me

like my character is constantly saying it

[strong parrot]

the algorithm makes no sense some times

lol yes i love that part too

it was bad in bf4 times with admins on servers saying no swearing while all you hear is fuck and shit from the soldiers

[teal phoenix]

A true mystery

[soft storm]

IM GETTING MY FUCKING SHIT PUSHED IN HERE

[formal valve]

[scenic beacon]

Man bf3 had the best voice lines for that

[formal valve]

Im gonna fry you you little fuck!

[scenic beacon]

blyaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[formal valve]

We lost the objective I repeat we lost the objective get you fucking shit together man

FALL BACK! FALL BACK, BYLAT

[scenic beacon]

My favorite ones though are after explosions from the US team

[icy sluice]

tired af

"I'm getting fucked in the ass over here!"

[formal valve]

The enemy have taken all objectives, I repeat the enemy have taken all objectives. I repeat the enemy have taken ALL objectives

[scenic beacon]

"i felt that one in my left nut"

[formal valve]

Is that actually one?

[scenic beacon]

i think so

[formal valve]

[scenic beacon]

something along the lines of left nut

[formal valve]

[icy sluice]

"Sugma"

[scenic beacon]

i think that was it yeah...

[lofty hearth]

Is there any subreddit/chat to see customizations of soldiers?

Like Fashionfield V

[icy sluice]

r/BattlefieldCosmetics I think

[sullen mist]

Yep

[icy sluice]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldCosmetics/

[lofty hearth]

Nice

[sullen mist]

Organised by Fila

[lofty hearth]

Thanks

[sullen mist]

A critic of alot of the questionable cosmetics in BfV

Like the 1970s balaclava and a gasmask from the early 2000s

[shrewd grove]

I still wish the open beta medic hat with goggles was a thing in the game

[final river]

@teal phoenix M for Mature.. cursing in chat is immature

should have to pass some sort of test before anyone is allowed to chat online

everything is born from necessity, people being toxic and annoyingly rude for the last decade in online games has brought us chat filters and even games with no text chat at all

[solid hinge]

Mp28 feels good..

[shrewd grove]

MP28 and 34 are great but no one uses them

[rocky verge]

switches sten to mp34

[azure lark]

50 round Thompson for me. I’ve taken out more than a Squad a few times with one drum

Though if I’m playing modes with fewer people, I’ll switch to higher rate of fire Thompson

[sullen mist]

https://twitter.com/dan_mitre/status/1093311493947371520?s=20

Ouch

[pale rain]

Yeah haven’t unlocked Thompson yet, but that 50 round Suomi is really nice too

[jagged vector]

Oh dan is moving on?

[azure lark]

Is there a guide available that explains which surfaces in BFV support bullet penetration?

[formal valve]

Oof

[azure lark]

Damn

Can’t say I blame the guy. Lmao at his reddit thread being auto modded and removed

He’ll get to deal with a lot less people bitching and moaning about stuff.

[solid hinge]

goddamn even the vgo is good

Just went 38 - 8 on hamada breakthrough and like 17 of those were pak 40 kills

[soft storm]

Does dan know his post on the subreddit was removed

[azure lark]

Someone told him on twitter

[sullen mist]

What do you expect when 3/4 of the users on it are posting low effort memes or GIFs

While tagging the wrong flairs yet the post is still up

[pale rain]

Yeah damn stupid people

Props to him though

[solid hinge]

Fucking dead bodies not being dead

[pale rain]

Lol

[sullen mist]

We refer to them as Alive bodies good sir, no misnaming here in this lovely server of decondensed savagery and half price off Seinhauser headphones

[solid hinge]

It's SO fucking easy to use the MAS with dynamite and piat

[boreal sail]

So i heard that the rewards from the last month Tides of War are coming back, is that for real?

[solid hinge]

This is criminal

3x scope has no recoil and I don't even have it specced

Almost level 4 spec in one round

36 to 8

11 explosive kills and that doesn't include the debris

Jesus Christ

Dynamite needs a smaller radius or not able to be thrown as far

Piat needs to not be able to just kill everything

I jumped and hipfired it round a corner and got a triple

That's fucked

0 effort from me

[azure lark]

Yes, the patch to purchase tow guns will be released along side the game patch next week

[solid hinge]

I'm considering picking all accuracy specs on it just to see how non-existent the recoil is

Maybe not taking quick aim will be enough of a handicap that I don't feel like a total bastard for using this

poor snipers man

they're trying and you just blap them twice in the head

literally whats the point of being sniper if you can just double tap people in the head with this

anyone prone will die before they can react

you aint gonna miss the second shot with the (no) recoil

It performs at close range

Even the small mag is acceptable with the other options the assault has

You're only in trouble if you get caught in the open with no ammo

Jesus CHRIST

Sorry for wall of text but this is almost criminal

[soft storm]

It isn’t as broken as the Gewehr 1-5 tho

[solid hinge]

I dunno man

The 1-5 doesn't have the long range potential of the MAS

god i wish it was easier to level up aircraft

[azure lark]

So between the Mas 44, G-43, and the AG42, you like the mas the best?

[jagged vector]

What plane are you leveling?

[solid hinge]

The AG42 is the worst semi imo

By a significant margin

The g43 is still annoying for long range but the mas performs good everywhere and consistently

Trying to level the bombers, mosquito and stuka b-2

Stuka is taking the longest

Anyone know's of people playing BFV ultra at 8k res?

Piddly little bombs until level 4

[little fjord]

[jagged vector]

When you work on the B2

[shrewd grove]

I dislike tnt a lot

It just gives assaults extra grenades

They can clear a whole room in one bundle

[jagged vector]

do not buy the 3rd AT mine upgrade til you hit level 4

Unless you wanna just farm vehicle spawns for a level

[solid hinge]

Does it replace something?

[jagged vector]

It replaces your only bomb

[solid hinge]

WOW

Okay fuck that

goddamn

[jagged vector]

I learned it the hard way

But the cannons are lovely

[solid hinge]

That's criminal

I'm very looking forward to the cannons but good gracious replacing the bomb without even telling you? That's evil

[jagged vector]

Yeah when I did it I was

[strong parrot]

lmao the fucking spawns in BF games I swear

[solid hinge]

Dynamite is like a handheld 250kg bomb

[strong parrot]

enemy is on the E point on rotter, it spawns me in the lower level

[jagged vector]

Had to grind the final rank with 2 mgs and mines

[strong parrot]

mother fucking enemies are down there DUDE HAS A PIAT OUT ALREADY AND JUST INSTANTLY POPS ME

[solid hinge]

You can't even respec until level 4!! How are you supposed to level a stuka up with two piddly machine guns and anti tank mines

[strong parrot]

and then laughs in chat like why the fuck did it spawn you there

idk man but im glad you thought the game fucking me over was funny

[solid hinge]

The spawns are really bad sometimes

[fleet mantle]

if it spawned you below E you must have clicked to spawn at D lol

[shrewd grove]

I hate the spawns too, I choose to spawn on a flag and it doesn't spawn me anywhere safe, it always puts me right in enemy fire

[jagged vector]

It was labor intensive. Mining vehicle spawns and running away from spitfires

[solid hinge]

I wish you spawned faster on teammates too

[strong parrot]

like....holy shit game half the time you spawn me a mile from the objective i click on

but this time you put me ON THE POINT WITH THE ENEMIES 👌

[solid hinge]

The amount of times I've plinked a dude and pressed reload and this other guy comes out of mid air

I got spawned on B on fjell behind 8 guys once

[strong parrot]

but at least i joined a losing game of conq...always fun, there seemed to be at least 3 different squads of 3 clan guys each too on their team

[solid hinge]

I felt bad about getting free kills but i managed to miss both knives and almost all my revolver shots anyway so it was ok for them

Clans are no fun!

[midnight nimbus]

> AG-42 worst semi
wat

I mean it's the hardest to use with the highest ceiling

MAS-44 is all around the best

but the AG m/42 undeniably has the best potential in the SAR class

the SARs in general have great variety and balance for the most part

I find a legit reason to use every single one

[solid hinge]

Was the AG a 2 shot to the head at any range?

a legit reason to use every single one is that they're superior to every other weapon

[midnight nimbus]

yes

AG can infinite 2 tap

I was melting people at 200+m on Hamada with it today

G 1-5 is great on devastation

[torn willow]

Assault shouldn't have access to SLR; Change my mind

[midnight nimbus]

i'd take the G 1-5 over any AR or LMG but the 1907

SAR medic pls

[solid hinge]

I guess technically it has the highest potential then

but that's like calling the Lee the sniper with the highest potential cause it has the fastest rpm with the highest mag size

[midnight nimbus]

if you're good enough to snipe consistently and you can click fast = use AG

[solid hinge]

The MAS can do exactly the same as the AG just slightly slower

[midnight nimbus]

AG also has 2x scope, which helps

MAS recoil isn't as good for those 2 taps

[solid hinge]

What recoil?

[midnight nimbus]

it has enough recoil where I don't like to go >100m with it

[solid hinge]

Even with the recoil specs?

[midnight nimbus]

I only pick AG on maps like Twisted Steel, Narvik, Fjell, and Hamada

MAS for pretty much everything else

[solid hinge]

jeez

[midnight nimbus]

even with recoil specs, MAS still isn't as nice for 2 taps

[solid hinge]

im kinda pissed even the AG is better at sniping than the snipers now

[midnight nimbus]

and i can click fast enough for AG

snipe only if you're Ravic or Stodeh or someone like that

otherwise, why not AG?

if you can't click fast enough, use MAS

[solid hinge]

I get the best results with recon

For some reason

Having a bolt action makes me think calmer i think

Gotta pace yourself

[shrewd grove]

Anytime I play sniper I use the RSC or the krag-jorgenson

[solid hinge]

also no one can complain if you do well and you have a reason for doing bad

[shrewd grove]

But I rarely play sniper

[solid hinge]

Those are the two i like!

I play recon almost every time because i love the spawn beacon

[shrewd grove]

When it comes to feel or sound I love the Kar98's empty reload

[solid hinge]

I haven't tried the Kar yet

I should really do that

I've used the krag like ten times more than anything else

[shrewd grove]

It's good, it's kind of the middle ground between the M95 and Krag

It reloads the slowest unless you do it on an empty reload

It's the hardest to get used to with just iron sights tho I think

If you don't always hit headshots anyway

[azure lark]

I've actually gotten really good with the G43

especially the two headshot kill

I don't like the semi autos though for close combat

unless it's the G 1-5

[shrewd grove]

I don't like using them because they feel cheap

[solid hinge]

It has the fastest empty reload? That's pretty neat

[shrewd grove]

I always feel like it has the fastest

[solid hinge]

Krag works better with one left in the chamber

If you use all 6 it has a painfully long reload

[shrewd grove]

Oh yeah since you have to bolt one in first

Kinda like the Lebel in BF1

[solid hinge]

You bolt one in, then thumb two in, then reach back in your pocket for three more and thumb them

[shrewd grove]

lol

[solid hinge]

if you reload with one left you just thumb 5 in at once

it's like literally half the time

[strong parrot]

thumb them

[solid hinge]

It looks like that's how you'd describe it!

It's a very satisfying reload

[strong parrot]

oh i know im just super mature and didnt laugh at all reading it

[shrewd grove]

Kar98 is just load the clip in, flick it off, and push the bolt forward

[solid hinge]

I'll thumb you bmac

[strong parrot]

yikes

[solid hinge]

Does it have strip clips?

[shrewd grove]

The bolting sound is also very satisfying

Yeah it only uses the strips on empty

[strong parrot]

yes kar has a 5 round stripper

[solid hinge]

Ok that's very stylish

[strong parrot]

but if you partial reload its just single rounds

[solid hinge]

can it fit them in over the scope

[shrewd grove]

Yeah the single rounds take forever

Especially with the hard push you have to do on the bolt

And no it cant

It's always single rounds with scope I think

I'll see on the practice range since my drivers just finished updating

[solid hinge]

That's kinda annoying

The kar is like.. the worst one to ironsights

Long range and body shot damage but lowest two shot kill time

[sleek tartan]

imagine someone using any sniper other than the krag

[shrewd grove]

It's incredibly long range

[solid hinge]

I can see the appeal of the iron sights Lee

[torn willow]

if it wern't for the satisfaction of using sniper rifles I would never use them and just use SLRs

of getting headshots on sniper rifles*

[shrewd grove]

I can't stand the Enfield iron sights

[torn willow]

same

[shrewd grove]

I always think the prongs are the actual sight

[torn willow]

trash af

[solid hinge]

There isn't anything as satisfying as a sniper headshot

[torn willow]

Yup

[solid hinge]

the lee could use some nicer sights considering it's the best for close range iron sight usage

[shrewd grove]

Honestly a nydar or reflex would be better than its irons

That or the 2x scope that the 1906 has

[solid hinge]

The aperture sights got a lot better with the ads rework

They're still the worst though

[shrewd grove]

That's what I was thinking lol

I just hate that they don't have anything pointing to the middle so you just kinda have to feel where the middle is and then fire

It's unreliability in sight form

[solid hinge]

Kinda the opposite of what you want with a sight

Maybe I'll dot the middle of my tv

[shrewd grove]

lol that's what I was thinking of doing with my monitor

I remember doing it with one gun in BF1

But it was a little piece of tape over the screen instead

[solid hinge]

If it works it works

[midnight nimbus]

use custom desktop logo

[azure lark]

I can't stand the loss of peripheral vision while using the Aperture sight

[midnight nimbus]

or idt DICE cares about reshade

2x scope from the AG and 1906 is by far my favorite sight in the game

[azure lark]

It's quick to ADS with it too

[rocky verge]

Sniper headshot CQB while hipfiring

[shrewd grove]

Alright so Kar98k at least in the practice range is like 3 seconds to reload at most @solid hinge

On empty with 2x and below

5-6 seconds with 3x and above on empty

[icy sluice]

I usually never finish the kill while prone daily orders

Because I rarely prone

[shrewd grove]

I'm having trouble doing it even with my LMG

Because I never need to prone with the FG42 and if you do you'll get shot while you reload lol

[rocky verge]

Doing a challange for the gun or something @shrewd grove

[shrewd grove]

Ye I'm doing the proficiency IV I think for the FG42

[solid hinge]

Yeesh that's a long time with a scope

Kills while prone aren't so bad with an mmg

Proning just feels nasty though

[little fjord]

I'm always prone

I never stand or crouch

[solid hinge]

You're a demon

[little fjord]

Yes it shows my skill and prowess because while prone I am an easy target

Yet I avail

[half wolf]

booyah just went 1-45

[solid hinge]

wh

pardon me

it sounded like you just said you went 1 to 45

[half wolf]

we were getting spawncamped bad on frontlines

and at some point I just decided to see how many deaths I could get

the other team was just farming us for points basically

guy on the other team was going 150-19, and he actually seemed legit

[compact oxide]

Some peeps can defs get that kinda score

[half wolf]

Yeah, dude had a twitter acct and everything where he periodically posted his stats

he was definitely legit

and really, really fucking ood

*good

[shrewd grove]

I was an SL the other day on Hamada defense and all of my squadmates had like 0-13

I felt bad for them so I never kicked them, I just decided to drive a tank and let them get in so they could have some kills

[half wolf]

I'm usually decent, positive K/D and all

but today I've barely been able to scrape 1-2 kills a match

Probably because I'm trying to level up the Bren, which is a literal shitheap of a gun

[shrewd grove]

I'm usually pretty positive too unless I choose to be a mobile spawn halftrack

The Bren is pretty situational

[compact oxide]

The bren is great IMO

It's the MP34 of support

[half wolf]

I hate it. I get out-DPSed by people spamfiring pistols at close range

and at longer range even some of the medic guns will outdamage me

The Lewis feels even worse. The recoil is worse and the fire rate is just as bad

[compact oxide]

I like the slow and accurate guns tbh

MP34, slow ZK and the two shot self loadings

[solid hinge]

The bren doesn't feel accurate enough to me

I end up tap firing it at range

[compact oxide]

My issue with the bren is the sights suck

[solid hinge]

lewis on the other hand is a monster

I like slow and accurate stuff normally but the bren just feels niche

If I'm playing support I'm definitely not doing it for the long range weapons

[compact oxide]

I just don't play support tbh

[fleet mantle]

^

[solid hinge]

and if I wanted long range id pick the mg34

[compact oxide]

Medic and sniper

[half wolf]

@solid hinge bren feels more accurate than the lewis

[solid hinge]

@half wolf I think it is more accurate, but I can't make it work at all

I have a lot more luck with the lewis

[half wolf]

True. I can't make either gun work, so it's a lot of personal taste I guess

I've mostly stopped playing support, since Assault is so much better in terms of utility and killing power anyway

[solid hinge]

Do you have them specced?

[half wolf]

Bren is almost specced, Lewis I have the first 2

[solid hinge]

I only pick support if im repairing a tank normally

Lewis benefits more from all 4 I think

[half wolf]

I'm really tempted to say that assault does a better job than support at everything except repairing tanks lol

[solid hinge]

I have aa sight on it and it feels really damn accurate

Especially with bipod

[half wolf]

I use the 1x sights

[solid hinge]

I think it does

[half wolf]

idk why but I don't like the higher zoom

[solid hinge]

Reflex is too ugly for me to use on those guns

I only have it on the fg42

I think the bren is the only one that can use the 3x scope kind of effectively

[bronze grotto]

are the new tow tasks out yet

[solid hinge]

About 15 hours I think

AA sighted lewis feels really nice to me

Definitely my favourite lmg

[bronze grotto]

chauchat when

[solid hinge]

god please

THAT would be my favourite lmg

It'd make the bren obsolete too

[bronze grotto]

some redditor said it is basically an assault semi auto for support

but fully auto and with bipod

[solid hinge]

thank you god

[half wolf]

Sigh

Hacker in our match

two of em actually

theres no way someone can have a 80% headshot rate with the FG42 legitimately, right?

[solid hinge]

...unlikely

[half wolf]

Or 100% headshots over 1000+ kills with the M95?

[solid hinge]

That would be exceptionally high even for the bolt actions

100% headshots

jesus

[half wolf]

It's almost 100%

round up from whatever 99.whatever%

995 headshots, 1107 kills

[midnight nimbus]

@bronze grotto pretty sure i said it

Chauchat is gonna be ridiculously good

[solid hinge]

that's brutal

[sacred junco]

man semi autos are getting ridculous

[half wolf]

Can't wait. Loved the Chauchat in BF1

[solid hinge]

almost definitely a hacker

[sacred junco]

seeing just squads full of MAS44s topping rounds

[half wolf]

@solid hinge oh wait there are THREE

now there's some third dude with a Lewis that's not even trying to hide

[sacred junco]

as they get insta 3 btk connects in 40m

[midnight nimbus]

Chauchat actually competes with SARs

[solid hinge]

Main downside of the MAS is the small mag but if your whole squad is using it then everyone against you is fucked

3 hackers

[half wolf]

They gotta be in a squad

[sacred junco]

small mag is fairly manegeable when the guns are very accurate

[solid hinge]

imagine releasing a triple A title with non-functioning anti cheat

[half wolf]

Hey, if you think this is bad, Ace Combat 7 released with no anticheat, and because the game runs on Unreal Engine, you can use CheatEngine in multiplayer.

[solid hinge]

laser accuracy on these semis

......holy shit

[sacred junco]

i just don't get the semis in this game

[half wolf]

Bonus points to the Japanese. They have zero foresight when it comes to PC ports.

[bronze grotto]

ayy kht are you the one on doing that weapon tier stuff on googlw docs

[sacred junco]

its like everything thats nice about SLRs in BF1 and more easier to use

[half wolf]

@sacred junco my theory is that DICE is trying to make Assault the "default" class in this game, and make the majority of players use it

[sacred junco]

I mean ARs are fine

[half wolf]

The ARs could use a bit more recoil

[sacred junco]

but semi autos are just completely contrary to what they are trying to sell

[uneven maple]

Gun truck rocks!!

[sacred junco]

harder to use guns that are accurate

[bronze grotto]

how does one twotap with the ag

[half wolf]

Because the "rock paper scissors" philosophy they emphasized in previous games just is entirely gone now.

[sacred junco]

to do away this whole "SIPS" controversy

[half wolf]

SIPS?

[bronze grotto]

doesnt that require both to be headshot

[sacred junco]

now its just a gun you just need to pull down a bit far away and spam else

[midnight nimbus]

people wanted no spread

so that's what you got

[solid hinge]

@bronze grotto yep

[sacred junco]

except other guns still have spread

[midnight nimbus]

semis were too hard for people

so they made them better

[sacred junco]

at least SLRs in BFV have all the downsides of a BF1 SLR in the low ammo count

[half wolf]

Honestly I don't even know what DICE was thinking in terms of game design with this.

[midnight nimbus]

people got exactly what they asked for

[half wolf]

@sacred junco but now you can pick up ammo from people

[solid hinge]

make the bullet velocity halved

[half wolf]

And have faster reloads

[bronze grotto]

how much recoil do i get when shooting ag

[sacred junco]

but BFV is a BF1 SLR thats more accurate and have 10+ detatchable mags

[solid hinge]

semis now fixed

[midnight nimbus]

when you consider the data DICE got from semi auto users in BF1

it makes sense

[bronze grotto]

so i can try twotaps

[icy sluice]

I fucking love ruining assaults with the Model 8

[midnight nimbus]

the way people used semis in BF1, they effectively had no spread or recoil either

so they gave people what they asked for

[shrewd grove]

I love ruining assaults with everything

[solid hinge]

Oh!

I didn't get any bayonets today

[half wolf]

I think I'm done with the game for now, lol. Not sure what DICE was smoking when they tried to balance anything here, but it's getting frustrating, as someone who likes support and wanted to like medic.

[sacred junco]

at least most the best guns had a pretty low kill potential or at least a inaccurate mid range profile

[solid hinge]

I knew something felt off

[midnight nimbus]

BFV gun balance is extremely good for a BF game

[half wolf]

@solid hinge on the upside my luck seems to have stabilized

Finally getting consistent Ws

[sacred junco]

BFV semis are just Farsquads that are a bit more accurate and spammable

[shrewd grove]

BFV's gun balance is really good compared to other bf games like 1

[half wolf]

Nah, 1 had better balance imho

[solid hinge]

No longer in the single digits

Bless you

[half wolf]

Every class could kill really quickly there

[sacred junco]

I mean I just don't get semis and MMGs in defensive modes are horrible to deal with

[shrewd grove]

But only if they were using one thing @half wolf

[sacred junco]

autos are mostly on par

[half wolf]

MMGs are easy to deal with because the user was stationary.

[solid hinge]

i don't mind mmgs because snipers are a direct counter to them

[shrewd grove]

Not every gun had a chance, there would always be one that won out in every way

[solid hinge]

semis don't have a counter

[half wolf]

The thing is, MMGs really should get the suppression screen shake effect back

[sacred junco]

Its just once you have a bunch of MMGs all squared away in certain defensive zones its really hard to lodge them out

[half wolf]

but only against people using 3x/6x scopes

[solid hinge]

they have no weakness really other than vaguely weaker cqc

Yeah scopes deserve suppression

[half wolf]

True, in 1 there was 1 "good" weapon per class in 1. But each class had serious killing power.

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 still has best gun balance

by a good margin

[little fjord]

I like mmgs... you are continually struggling to find something to bipod on or prone which is inconvenient in a firefight... tradeoff is mmgs are powerful

[shrewd grove]

I hated BF1s "balance" so much

[little fjord]

🤷

[shrewd grove]

It was the only battlefield game to actually annoy me when I played it

[half wolf]

That's my thought w/ balancing. Don't bother adding spread/suppression with irons or holo sights, but if you have a 3x or 6x scope, you deserve hella scope sway if a MMG opens up on you,

[bronze grotto]

mmm sweet spots

[half wolf]

Parabellum Mg14/17 was my jam in BF1

[shrewd grove]

Gotta love instant kills at certain distances no matter what

[half wolf]

and the Chauchat

[shrewd grove]

Sweet sweet balance

[half wolf]

I disliked the sweet spot mechanic, but at least MG suppression worked

so you could kinda counter snipers with the M1917

[solid hinge]

they went from sweetspots to 50 damage on a body shot

[sacred junco]

ppl hated suppression as a no skill mechanic then

and now some want it back

[half wolf]

@sacred junco I get the idea of "i dont want random spread" but you can add hella scope sway

[little fjord]

Chauchat now or I'll give myself 5 papercuts

[half wolf]

Different people wanted different things.

[little fjord]

[shrewd grove]

Suppression has been a thing forever, there's no point to the big machine guns or the class that utilises suppression for spotting if spotting doesn't do shit besides that

[half wolf]

People forgot that without suppression, there's nothing that can stop a scoped-in sniper from plinking you (if they can nail the headshot, of course)

[shrewd grove]

^

[sacred junco]

suppression works naturally if healthbars didn't exist

[solid hinge]

The biggest thing that stops that now is that everyone is strafing constantly

[little fjord]

Well it's unwise to setup a bipod if a sniper or assault is looking your way

[half wolf]

The ADAD issue was a thing in BF1 too

Funny opinion I have - Snipers are both underpowered and impossible to counter in this game. They do so little damage with bodyshots, but with the removal of suppression, there is nothing you can do if one opens up to you at range