battlefield-legacy-titles

[midnight nimbus]

the super tryhard guns are fun in BF4

M16A4 unironically has a pretty high skill ceiling

[amber goblet]

Back to bf3

Noshair canal

[vocal charm]

BC1

[amber goblet]

Place wher eagle will rape u with m16a3 hipfire

[midnight nimbus]

noshahr TDM is one of the greatest FPS maps ever created

[surreal parcel]

Hardli... I cant type that with a straight face

[amber goblet]

An94 one tap

Aek971 brust

[midnight nimbus]

euro hipfire 👌
zouzou jump 👌

[vocal charm]

brust

[midnight nimbus]

M416 > M16A3 tho

bc 10Hz logic loop

if you're accurate, same TTK as M16A3

but less hrec

and faster reload

[strong parrot]

4-13 guy on fjell who is lvl 8 .."im having fun" yikes.....if fun is getting your ass kicked...oof

nah i should be happy though the team cant fucking hold more than a 2 cap all game..

[midnight nimbus]

man despite all the ridiculous shit, BF3 is still the best BF ever

[unkempt scroll]

I find ramming fighters into vehicles alot of fun

especially when it causes them to flip or launch

HAHAHA

[solid hinge]

@midnight nimbus where would you rank battlefield 5

Or make a list of best to worst battlefield games

?

[midnight nimbus]

BF3 = BFH >>> BF1 > BF4 > BC2 >>>> committing redeploy > refractor BF

i like infy, so i like BF3 and BFH for largely the same reasons

@solid hinge

[solid hinge]

Fair enough

[steep radish]

did you rank BFV all the way at the end?

[midnight nimbus]

eh i think BFV is maybe on par with BC2 or a bit lower

[steep radish]

[midnight nimbus]

SARs are what redeem the game to me

only vehicles i ever really liked in BF are the helis

[steep radish]

The tank is the best pistol in the game

[midnight nimbus]

i thought gunplay had some more potential with beta StG and launch KE7, but those got nuked

even though they weren't OP

RIP

[steep radish]

They were in some apsects

[midnight nimbus]

no they weren't

[steep radish]

but I can agree

[midnight nimbus]

like at all

[steep radish]

okie

[midnight nimbus]

people can't tell the difference between "overused" and "OP"

[steep radish]

Pffft

[midnight nimbus]

like yeah, if it's the starter weapon, a lot of people will use it

[steep radish]

I can pretty much say that the BFV stg beta was op

[midnight nimbus]

doesn't change the fact that guns like the Turner cleanly beat the KE7 at almost all ranges

[steep radish]

and stats wise it fuckin proved it

[midnight nimbus]

beta Turner cleanly beat StG too

[steep radish]

Turner was in the beta?

[midnight nimbus]

yeee with 20 round detachable mags

it was incredible

[steep radish]

WAT

[midnight nimbus]

like best gun in any BF game

[steep radish]

E

[midnight nimbus]

like genuine M16A3 gripbar tier

beta StG isn't considerably different from now

beta StG just had less hrec

[steep radish]

its changed significantly

[unkempt scroll]

Gewehr 43 or Turner?

[steep radish]

kinda

[unkempt scroll]

best?

[midnight nimbus]

hrec is the only difference between beta StG and current StG

[steep radish]

Horizontal recoil?

[midnight nimbus]

yeah

[steep radish]

o

[midnight nimbus]

we need beta StG back so it can compete with SARs

M1 pretty cleanly beats StG rn

[steep radish]

I got t bagged by a player using an STG when I shot him in the back

twasnt fun :c

[midnight nimbus]

all ARs but the 1907 are kinda underpowered rn

[steep radish]

Ye

[midnight nimbus]

if you can click fast enough for M1, no reason to use most ARs

[steep radish]

Im on controller

But I imagine on PC its just

“2 ez”

[midnight nimbus]

also BFV made headshots wayyyyyy too easy

like they made heads far too big

BF1 head hitbox size was perfect

[amber goblet]

StugIV is available in 2/14

Ea fools us

[steep radish]

indeed

[solid hinge]

Battlefield 5 is a rushed game

Dice got rushed bad

[midnight nimbus]

nah man

BFV isn't bad bc it's rushed

[soft storm]

It’s bad because a youtuber told me so

[steep radish]

it has its flaws

[midnight nimbus]

the biggest problems with the game don't exist bc of the deadline

[strong parrot]

@soft storm This guy gets it

[solid hinge]

No but it’s a bad issue

[steep radish]

and a shit ton of em but it aint as bad as people say

[soft storm]

SMH for years people said Mass Effect Andromeda was “the worst game ever.” Meanwhile I play it and it’s my favorite mass effect game, and one of my favorite third person shooters.

[midnight nimbus]

dumb everything down for the lowest common denominator, amazing

[steep radish]

...

Because

[midnight nimbus]

i mean everyone thinks BFH is the worst BF ever, and imo, if you love BF infy play, i think it's the best BF

[steep radish]

I wont even get into it

[midnight nimbus]

BFV somehow has both accessibility issues and skill ceiling issues

[steep radish]

wasnt the best but damn well brought the best mechanics

holy fuck a lot came from that game

[midnight nimbus]

BFH mechanics were just 👌

attrition is an ok PVE mechanic

[steep radish]

so

how does COOP work?

[dusky saffron]

attrition is a pacing mechanic

[merry ivy]

I’m glad that the Churchill Gun Carrier is just as useless as it was IRL

[dusky saffron]

and I like it

[merry ivy]

its some form of realism

[midnight nimbus]

but terrible for the skill ceiling, and a terrible mechanic in general

attrition is a pacing mechanic, just not a good one

[dusky saffron]

terrible for the skill ceiling

[steep radish]

I love walking around empty fields to get to a supply point

[midnight nimbus]

if you want to create pacing, you implement better cooldown/regen timers

[dusky saffron]

no

[midnight nimbus]

attrition most heavily impacts higher skilled players

[dusky saffron]

if you want better CD go to BC2 or BC1

[midnight nimbus]

doesn't impact average 1 K/D shitter

ammo limits in general aren't a great mechanic, they just have to be made bc muh authenticity in military shooters

[strong parrot]

.....

[midnight nimbus]

average shitter doesn't live long enough to use all his ammo anyways

or regen more than once

[dusky saffron]

Provides incentive for teamplay and to look for something else other than players

[midnight nimbus]

attrition affects good players, not bad ones

big oof

[dusky saffron]

🤷

[midnight nimbus]

BFH resource grab is teamplay

[strong parrot]

attrition bad
I want to only run assault and rekt everything on the map with out needing healing or ammo ever

[midnight nimbus]

doesn't cuck good players

[dusky saffron]

@strong parrot that's the practical summary of it

[steep radish]

Wouldnt the ability to grab supplies of off players incentive team play because it would encourage the squad to stick together?

[midnight nimbus]

^

[merry ivy]

“incentive for teamplay” has to run halfway across the map to refill smokes because my team is dying at an alarming rate on first sector breakthrough

[midnight nimbus]

attrition = incentive to sit by boxes

forced teamplay means nothing when teammates aren't forced to help

[strong parrot]

or just you know pick up ammo off the people you kill

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusky saffron]

if you only want to lmao

[steep radish]

Meanwhile a sniper dicking himself off at the back of the map could easliy pick me off

[midnight nimbus]

that's why i play SAR

[strong parrot]

apparently im playing wrong by not camping boxes

[midnight nimbus]

14 rounds per pickup with the Turner stendo

[strong parrot]

fuck

[merry ivy]

I feel like my team is a child making constant messes while I’m running back and forth to get more paper towels to clean up the mess as a medic on breakthrough

[midnight nimbus]

or like 24(?) with M1A1 stendo

[merry ivy]

support boxes only get me one smoke grenade launcher per resupply

I get no smoke grenades from them

[steep radish]

I just think this attrition system is dumb

[midnight nimbus]

attrition is a suspect PVP mechanic at best, nothing with was wrong with "teamplay" in previous BFs

if anything, BFH was the absolute zenith of "teamplay"

attrition isn't even "skillful", it's not hard to work around

it's simply busywork

so no, more development time for BFV wouldn't have helped with that issue

[strong parrot]

"i want my one man army perk and i want it now!"

[steep radish]

Thats

[merry ivy]

what

[steep radish]

No

[dusky saffron]

I mean

picking resources off of teammates isn't teamplay

[steep radish]

Thats not even what he’s trying to say

[dusky saffron]

they're just walking boxes at that point

[midnight nimbus]

the individual is the base unit of effectiveness

[merry ivy]

so wanting more smoke grenades to help revive my teammates requires me to run 50-100 metres behind our lines and back again?

great

[midnight nimbus]

the presence of teamplay should be a buff, a lack of teamplay shouldn't hamper you

[steep radish]

“Im gonna ignore the argument and assume the player wants godlike ability as in every other game”

[dusky saffron]

Teamplay is actual coordination off of your team

[midnight nimbus]

> spams asking for ammo all game, doesn't get ammo

so much teamplay

[dusky saffron]

if you consider selfplay interaction as teamplay then idk fam

[steep radish]

I hate that bit lol

[midnight nimbus]

teamplay is simply your teammates helping

[fleet mantle]

like 95% of the points have ammo crates you can build anyway

[steep radish]

Not every single game is gonna have fucking players shitting out bandages and ammo out the wazoo

[dusky saffron]

I wouldn't consider teamplay just them helping

[merry ivy]

unless I can’t get to that point

[dusky saffron]

but coordination

[steep radish]

which is why this picking off system works getter

*better

[midnight nimbus]

by being near you, and enabling you to grab resources off them, BFH presents a compelling from of teamplay

[dusky saffron]

and management

[merry ivy]

Arras Breakthrough will cut off tanks from resupply stations, no joke

[dusky saffron]

that's your definition of teamplay

[midnight nimbus]

by just playing together, you perform better

[dusky saffron]

take sports for example

[steep radish]

I can also get into the game faster if I just simply picked off the ammo and health

[dusky saffron]

if you know what to do and work together

[strong parrot]

no management only mag dump every enemy i see with my AEK

[merry ivy]

so all they can do is sit and wait for the hope that the supply station area is captured by their team

[dusky saffron]

you can past the torch to another person and etc

but if your teammate is shit

[steep radish]

instead of running to a specific place just to get ammo or health

[midnight nimbus]

BF != sport, you cannot realistically communicate with blueberries

[dusky saffron]

and you simply grab resources off of them for existing

that's not teamplay

[midnight nimbus]

nor should video games have teammates limit you like they do in IRL sports

[dusky saffron]

It's not exactly a sport but it's not teamplay either

[merry ivy]

but it already does

[steep radish]

Neither is asking for specific supplies for a few minutes until you die

[merry ivy]

if your team is shit, you lose

[midnight nimbus]

why shouldn't teammates simply existing near you be teamplay?

[strong parrot]

where does the term blueberry come from again? I read it once before and thought wow thats fucking stupid

[solid hinge]

I hate being not able to see in battlefield 5

[midnight nimbus]

they're your teammates and they're playing with you right?

[solid hinge]

[merry ivy]

then get glasses

[dusky saffron]

Because them doing nothing isn't them being part of the team

lmao

but if you consider this one factor as them being useful

[steep radish]

I honestly think that with this attrition system

[merry ivy]

or like, a monitor better than 360p

[dusky saffron]

it's almost no different then having ammo boxes

or med boxes

[steep radish]

They should’ve added the BFH mechanic

[midnight nimbus]

attrition + BFH resource grab would've been fine

[steep radish]

Resource grab off players or points?

[midnight nimbus]

and no, glasses don't fix the BFV visibility issue

why not both

[merry ivy]

what issue

[steep radish]

I mean I said that

[dusky saffron]

the only resource grab if anything for me is getting medpacks from the supply crate

[merry ivy]

barely any uniforms blend in well anywhere

[strong parrot]

people blend in

[merry ivy]

they do?

[midnight nimbus]

poor colour palettes, unrealistic amounts of contrast, movie-grade lighting

[strong parrot]

and dont have a literal outline like other bf games

[weak violet]

Hello

[strong parrot]

therefor bfv bad

[midnight nimbus]

standard uniforms blend in perfectly with Fjell rocks

[fleet mantle]

on some maps like fjell you can know where someone is, see tracer fire, scope in and still not see them

[strong parrot]

holy shit.....camo working as camo

this just in

[unkempt scroll]

6 hours til update drops O.o

[merry ivy]

the only time an enemy hides from me is where I mistake them for a dead body

that’s... it

[steep radish]

thats smart

[midnight nimbus]

stealth isn't inherently bad, the fact that it can be enabled without thought and the fact that there's no meaningful level of counterplay is bad

[unkempt scroll]

@merry ivy and you realise he has a MG42

[merry ivy]

now I always double tap corpses

[steep radish]

But still I just think maybe both systems of mechanics shouldve existed in the same game

[midnight nimbus]

spotting literally existed to punish people for bad flanks and being bad at stealth

along with communicating with blueberries

[dusky saffron]

intentionally spotting was meant to be a way of directing attention to enemies

[midnight nimbus]

remember how everyone in BF4 was like pls spam Q

[dusky saffron]

not exactly making them outlined like in bf4 and bf1

[strong parrot]

outlining them was a skill ceiling

[marble phoenix]

If they were highlighted better in the field spotting wouldn’t be an issue

[weak violet]

In bf1 I would always spam spot enemys before i started shooting them

[strong parrot]

who ever could shoot the outlined target more accurately was better

[marble phoenix]

The new general area one isn’t too bad

[midnight nimbus]

visibility should be good with or without spotting though

like BF1 uses similar photorealism techniques in its art style, but visibility is fine even on night maps in hardcore

BFV visibility issues boil down to colour/lighting issues

[solid hinge]

Battlefield 5 needs rsp

[weak violet]

Yeah in BFV I have so much trouble even seening enemys

[solid hinge]

Dice plz

[midnight nimbus]

also the fact that supine prone makes you look dead is really silly

[dusky saffron]

BFSW2 has visiblity issues since it does the same thing

it's mainly

[fleet mantle]

its only really on fjell and devastation for me

[dusky saffron]

1. the shadows

[weak violet]

Along with Dark corners

[dusky saffron]

2. the hdr

[midnight nimbus]

lighting and colour contrasts are way too high

like irl, you would be able to see people in a lot of the scenarios where you can't see anyone in BFV

[weak violet]

Like why can that little corner over there been pitch black, along with that when you start them game its so bright that I have to turn it down. But that makes it harder for me to see enemy's when they are hiding in corners.

[midnight nimbus]

soldier glow and slight outlines are a necessity when you can't have depth perception due to looking at a 2D screen

[weak violet]

Snow maps are the worst for this

[dusky saffron]

slight outlines and soldier glow turn into siege

and that game looks horrendous

they probably wouldn't head into that direction

if anything

fix the lighting and shadows

and tone down the hdr effects

[weak violet]

Burning my eyes out when i up my brightness only to get into a snow map.

[dusky saffron]

or add light sources lmao

[solid hinge]

😂

But where the rsp at

We need it

Yes

Yes

Yes

[midnight nimbus]

soldier glow doesn't need to be siege-tier

[steep radish]

its an extremely similar build

[dusky saffron]

imagine spamming a shitty idea

[midnight nimbus]

it needs to exist to some degree at least

[steep radish]

Why cant they just add it in?

[solid hinge]

@dusky saffron rsp is what makes battlefield 3 and 4 still run today lol

[weak violet]

At least in BF1 the lighting was great

[dusky saffron]

that's great

[midnight nimbus]

i hate RSP, but i'd support it if you can play BFV with no attrition and passive spotting enabled

[dusky saffron]

those games are past their development

I'd rather DICE fix the games issues first before moving into RSP

[steep radish]

Thats fair

[midnight nimbus]

tfw a great passive spotting system exists in BFV's files, it's just not enabled

[dusky saffron]

explain

[steep radish]

i dont understand why they didnt add it in before release

“live service”

[dusky saffron]

of course you don't understand if you witnessed any other bf launch

[midnight nimbus]

passive spotting is the ultimate solution to having spotting, but removing "Q spam" and not letting one guy spot the entire enemy team

[dusky saffron]

they added rsp later

[steep radish]

I mean now its a staple and its now serves multiple purposes

[weak violet]

Most of the time in BF1 every enemy would be spotted

[dusky saffron]

doesnt fucking matter if it's a staple in what you consider it

[solid hinge]

Battlefield 5 is an unfinished product

[dusky saffron]

it gets released later on

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 Incursions was the first big step in a great spotting system

[weak violet]

With a trench scope there was no where to hide

[solid hinge]

A good unfinished product however

[midnight nimbus]

BFV Closed Alpha 1 had a pretty good system, iirc

[steep radish]

Lost potential here and there

[midnight nimbus]

but basically, passive spotting is if you point at someone long enough, they're spotted

no press Q and they're instantly lit up

doesn't require any button presses

[dusky saffron]

doesn't require button presses

there we go

[midnight nimbus]

since logically, if you're ADSing within a certain degree of someone for a certain amount of time, you obviously see them

might as well mark them

[weak violet]

Eh it was sorta fun using the trench periscope spoting a enemy and watching him instantly get mowed down by your team.

[dusky saffron]

what if you're looking in a general direction since you heard something and you passively spot someone without intentionally doing so

[weak violet]

As the trench periscope would give a real time red outline of the enemy

[midnight nimbus]

the point of the angle limitations and time requirements is that you can't "unintentionally" spot someone

[dusky saffron]

if it required a button press that highlighted after I would've been okay

but literally

[solid hinge]

Yo there needs to be a Battle of Berlin map in Bfv

[dusky saffron]

that's the spotting scope mechanic

and spotting scope mechanic is only okay because you disable your weapon from yourself

[midnight nimbus]

spotting scope mechanic, with several key differences

[weak violet]

Was funny when you spotted the behemoths with it

[midnight nimbus]

but you get the general idea

[dusky saffron]

Ngl

[solid hinge]

Like with the Reichstag and shit

[midnight nimbus]

why does everything require a button press

[dusky saffron]

not liking that passive spotting

[civic sun]

Is the spotting scope even viable?

[midnight nimbus]

you're using your mouse to point at them

[civic sun]

I use the flares

[midnight nimbus]

thats your interaction

[steep radish]

I use binocs

I loved the trenchscope in BF1

[midnight nimbus]

spotting scope = dedicated gadget for passive spotting on super steroids

[civic sun]

Same

[weak violet]

@civic sun The spotting scope i believe is best viable when the enemy is para dropping

[steep radish]

I loved the gadget

[sudden siren]

I miss the trench scope

[midnight nimbus]

actually idt spotting scope has a time requirement

[dusky saffron]

Then it leads into bigger fucking problems like "at what point does the spot count" and "what if unintentional spotting happens and I get it off without trying so"

[civic sun]

But the trench scope basically allowed wallhacks

So

[steep radish]

extremely useful

[civic sun]

Kinda broken

But meh

[dusky saffron]

if I'm randomly aiming my gun around that shouldn't warrant a free spot

[weak violet]

@civic sun Hardly anyone uses the trench periscope tbh

[midnight nimbus]

the time requirement for passive spotting in the BFV files varies with distance

you can't "randomly aim your gun around" and get a free spot

[civic sun]

I miss 3D spotting

[weak violet]

@civic sun I am one of the few who used it

[dusky saffron]

if you can give me the numbers I'd come up with a better opinion

[midnight nimbus]

you really do have to point at someone for a fairly extended period of time

[sudden siren]

This is battlefield

[compact oxide]

I love the flares in BFV tbh

[steep radish]

trench scope gang rise up

[civic sun]

It would fix most of the visibility issues

[sudden siren]

There is many broken stuff that isn't touched

[dusky saffron]

otherwise it just sounds like the scope mechanic

[midnight nimbus]

iirc, it's like 2+ seconds past midrange

with some time/distance scaling

[civic sun]

Y’all excited for the new patch?

[midnight nimbus]

2+ seconds is a long time in BF

[dusky saffron]

eh

[civic sun]

I mean

[weak violet]

@compact oxide All i do is shoot down the enemy flares, they get intel for like 2 secs

[dusky saffron]

now describe midranged

[civic sun]

Knowing dice it will probably break more things than fix

But hey

[dusky saffron]

because at 30m it shouldn't be 2 + seconds

[midnight nimbus]

it's the logical extension of support suppress to spot/scout shoot to spot

[compact oxide]

@weak violet that two seconds is great though

[dusky saffron]

if you obviously know someone is there

[civic sun]

They are nerfing bipods

[weak violet]

I never seen allies shooting enemy flares down, its such a easy thing to do

[midnight nimbus]

if you're suppressing or shooting someone, you clearly see them

[civic sun]

So I’m excited

[midnight nimbus]

you need to look at someone for awhile, accurately acquire the target, and shoot, and you get the spot

[civic sun]

Suppression is finally balanced

[weak violet]

@compact oxide Yeah but only for two seconds

[midnight nimbus]

passive spotting removes the shooting part, and puts greater emphasis on the acquisition/time part

[compact oxide]

I always try and shoot flares, but really if you get 1 second of them up you get enough info to know where people are in general

[dusky saffron]

Or I could just shoot them since they're in midrange and I have an AR/Semi

[civic sun]

Flares deserve another buff

[dusky saffron]

or anything other than an smg

[civic sun]

I want them to go higher

They do not last for very long

[weak violet]

@compact oxide Yeah but thats better then like the 10 or 20 secs that the flares last.

[dusky saffron]

by that point the spotting mechanic would just highlight them on the minimap for simply existing within my sights despite my gunfire giving out info

[civic sun]

Exactly

[weak violet]

@civic sun They very likely don't last long due to a person shooting them.

[midnight nimbus]

minimap spotting is gross

[compact oxide]

They defs don't last that! @weak violet flares have gone to like 3 secs max now

[dusky saffron]

Outlining is also gross

[astral sable]

!lfg

[dusky saffron]

but that's what spotting does

[midnight nimbus]

don't encourage people to play by the minimap, play by whats in front of them

[civic sun]

Perhaps make the flares max height increase to 20 meters

[dusky saffron]

and if it's that easy for little effort than no thanks

[compact oxide]

They drop much faster since the patch

[midnight nimbus]

and 3D spotting would be entirely fine with the amount of smoke people throw and how well smoke breaks spots

[weak violet]

@compact oxide They drop faster when I am there

[civic sun]

How much do you guys want to bet that this patch will be delayed?

[solid hinge]

flares last at least 7 or so seconds

[midnight nimbus]

crouch moving should give some level of spot protection as well

[civic sun]

Yeah

[dusky saffron]

that would be a good idea

[civic sun]

And crawling

[dusky saffron]

but crouch moving is already strong enough

[midnight nimbus]

crouch sprint is too fast

[dusky saffron]

^

[solid hinge]

If they do that for crouch moving they gotta nerf it

[civic sun]

I disagree

[midnight nimbus]

not slow enough for how powerful it is

[dusky saffron]

and reduces your sound significantly

[midnight nimbus]

i just dwarf run everywhere

[civic sun]

Crouch run is fine where it is

[solid hinge]

Crouch running is barely any slower than sprinting

[dusky saffron]

No it's not lmao

if you say crouch run is fine then whew

[midnight nimbus]

needs to have larger concessions to mobility with how much it shrinks for profile and reduces your sound signature

[dusky saffron]

it needs a movement speed nerf

by like 10%

[solid hinge]

The sound is SO quiet though

[civic sun]

No it doesn’t

Lol

[dusky saffron]

Yes it does

[civic sun]

10% is way to much

[midnight nimbus]

side-to-side mobility while dwarf running is too good

[dusky saffron]

Why fucking run when you can make yourself a lesser target, make signifcantly less noise, and have better aim stability

[midnight nimbus]

S-mines should insta kill dwarf runners

[dusky saffron]

crouch running is very strong

[civic sun]

I don’t use it

[midnight nimbus]

blows up at their head height

[civic sun]

I can jump

And then shoot

[dusky saffron]

???

[civic sun]

Can’t do that with crouch running

[dusky saffron]

You'd be asking to do die if you did that to me lmao

[solid hinge]

jumps into a room of back proning mg42 players

[dusky saffron]

maybe a shittier player would lose to that

[midnight nimbus]

i miss zouzou 😢

[civic sun]

Yeah

But

[midnight nimbus]

bring back zouzou pls

[dusky saffron]

crouch running is very strong

[civic sun]

Meh console players are ass

[dusky saffron]

you lose practically no speed

and have significant gains

[midnight nimbus]

i think it's 80(?)% full sprint speed

[civic sun]

I don’t have a problem with crouch running

[midnight nimbus]

while you dwarf run

[compact oxide]

Crouch running means you can't bunny hop though

[dusky saffron]

iirc

it's like

90%

[midnight nimbus]

bunny hop isn't good anymore

that died with BF3

[dusky saffron]

^

thank fuck

[civic sun]

I want the sliding back

[midnight nimbus]

there should be a spec upgrade that lets you euro hipfire

cmv

[dusky saffron]

sliding is in the game

[civic sun]

Pop sliding in bf1 was so badass

[solid hinge]

is there an animation to switch seats in a bomber?

[dusky saffron]

yes

no

[civic sun]

No, like the bf1 sliding

[dusky saffron]

idr lmao

[civic sun]

Much

Muchhhhh better

[midnight nimbus]

pre-apoc nerf sliding was nice

launch sliding was AIDS, it was way too spammable

[civic sun]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

sliding by the end was a bit too anemic

[civic sun]

It was fine after the patch

[solid hinge]

asking cuz im trying to level up my fighters and the pilots get into their gunner seats and do so much damage to me

[midnight nimbus]

BO4 does sliding perfectly

especially with how you can chain it with jumps

[civic sun]

I don’t play b04

[midnight nimbus]

BO4 has some of the best movement i've seen in a grounded FPS

[civic sun]

Bo1 for life

[midnight nimbus]

BO4 movement makes BF movement look like it's from a 2000s game

[civic sun]

I don’t like admitting this

[dusky saffron]

best movement for a game with futuristic elements yes ig

[civic sun]

But I played black ops for zombies and campaign

[dusky saffron]

the operators run with exos

[midnight nimbus]

BO4 doesn't have enhanced movement

just a little unrealistic

[civic sun]

Stfu

[dusky saffron]

it is unrealistic

but it is kinda nice

[midnight nimbus]

i mean BF movement is unrealistic

[dusky saffron]

but I prefer the realism in movement

[civic sun]

Cod campaigns back then were amazing

[midnight nimbus]

zero momentum slides

you sprint at legit Usain Bolt speeds for unlimited durations

with an MMG

[solid hinge]

Is the update already out?

[dusky saffron]

No

[civic sun]

No

[dusky saffron]

4 am ET

[sudden siren]

Okay

[solid hinge]

Ok thanks

[sudden siren]

Question for you guys

[civic sun]

Stuka bylat

[sudden siren]

What is your HOTTEST hot take

Your most unpopular opinion

On BFV

[sterile dagger]

Is there a way to rebind slide to hold instead of double tap the crouch button

[civic sun]

Ooooo

[dusky saffron]

assignments not being able to be changed

during game

[civic sun]

That’s not an unpopular opinion

Everyone wants

[dusky saffron]

oh

so like

[midnight nimbus]

roblox is the purest way to play this garbage fire

[civic sun]

That

[dusky saffron]

a super nitpicky complaint

[broken wolf]

love how ive been level 50 for so long and all i get is 12k coins wtf

[sudden siren]

Definitely not

So many people want it

[midnight nimbus]

once you die less to people in corners, you get to truly experience the pain of attrition

[civic sun]

Conquest is a shit gamemode

[dusky saffron]

I misunderstood lmao

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge there's basically no animation, you swap seat in under a second

[dusky saffron]

uhh

[civic sun]

I hate it

[broken wolf]

others get 80k+ wtf

[sinful zenith]

I love waiting for a plane to spawn and spam x to spawn on it and still getting fucked and spawning as infantry

[sudden siren]

@civic sun Based

Conquest is bad

[dusky saffron]

I can't think of one tbh

[civic sun]

Oh

[midnight nimbus]

conquest is bad

[civic sun]

I thought people liked it

[dusky saffron]

no wait

I got one

[sudden siren]

Mine is that

[midnight nimbus]

like genuinely one of the worst FPS modes conceived, it really takes a good map to make it ok

[dusky saffron]

frontline vehicle spawns need adjustment

[sudden siren]

I think vehicles are only fun for people who main vehicles

[civic sun]

Alright bet, grand operations is not as fun or immersive as operations from bf1

[sudden siren]

And that if vehicles were removed the game would automatically be more fun

[dusky saffron]

imagine playing hamada and taking 3 years to move up from spawn

[midnight nimbus]

BFV game modes as a whole are weaker than other BFs

[civic sun]

Omfg

[midnight nimbus]

BFH Blood Money, BF4 Chain Link, and BF1 Frontlines are the best gamemodes

[civic sun]

I hope bf5 rush is as good as bf3 rush

No

[midnight nimbus]

BF3 Rush is up there too

top 5

[civic sun]

Bfh Hotwire

That shit

Was amazing

[midnight nimbus]

i dislike hotwire for the same reason i dislike Conquest

no flow

[sudden siren]

Rush is so amazing

[civic sun]

But dude

[midnight nimbus]

well, it is better than CQ, since moment-to-moment action matters more

[dusky saffron]

I just want squad tdm back

from bf3

[civic sun]

When people ptfo on Hotwire

[steep radish]

nothing happens

[civic sun]

It is the most fun/immersive experience out there

[steep radish]

all you do is drive around a car

[civic sun]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

hotwire is way too easy to break, and there's no obligation to play the objective

[steep radish]

shoot out the driver and destroy the car

[civic sun]

And dodge rpgs

Lol

And dodge c4

[midnight nimbus]

just camp with explosives

ez wins

[steep radish]

and keep getting a shit ton of points or doing nothing

[civic sun]

And run over people

[steep radish]

Heist is my favorite gamemode in BFH

[civic sun]

Payday 2

[midnight nimbus]

Blood Money is truly a masterpiece

[civic sun]

Lol

Blood money was fun

Same with heist

[steep radish]

Ye

[civic sun]

In fact fuck it

[midnight nimbus]

actual focused obj gameplay with a frontline >>>

[steep radish]

I loved it

[merry ivy]

okay so there’s a StuG coming, but WHERE THE HELL IS MY HAWKER HURRICANE DICE?!?!

[midnight nimbus]

2u0p CQ nonsense <<<

[civic sun]

Hardline was a great game

[dusky saffron]

[merry ivy]

HURRICANE NAAAOOOWWWW

[civic sun]

I want a sequel

[midnight nimbus]

Chain Link is like CQ but actually good

[merry ivy]

why is the Spitfire given rockets and bombs? this is a job for the Hurricane

reeee

[civic sun]

But make bfh focused less on gun and more on car

[merry ivy]

or better yet the Hawker Typhoon

[midnight nimbus]

i mean tbf, Frontlines is the logical extension of CQ

[civic sun]

I want cars to be op as fuck

[steep radish]

In my honest opinion

[midnight nimbus]

and Frontlines is actually good

[civic sun]

Frontlines in bf1

[steep radish]

Cars should be less focused in BFH

[civic sun]

Was immersive

As fuck

[steep radish]

As much as they were important

[midnight nimbus]

unlike CQ, Frontlines actually makes good use of the entire map

without having to be 64p nonsense

[merry ivy]

Passchendaele gave me PTSD

[civic sun]

Can we all agree that downtown conquest was one of the best conquest maps of all time?

[midnight nimbus]

and without being slow

[steep radish]

the setting of urban combat with an emphasis on inf gameplay

[midnight nimbus]

downtown CQ was actually fun, as far as CQ goes

[steep radish]

Was fucking good

[midnight nimbus]

everglades too

[merry ivy]

I loved Amiens so much

[civic sun]

Me and a couple of buddies

Got a zipline

[midnight nimbus]

BFH with Frontlines and Chain Link would've been incredible

[steep radish]

I loved uh the somme BF1 operations

[merry ivy]

Amiens is probably still one of my favourite maps

[midnight nimbus]

like FL is CQ with all the bad shit boiled away

[civic sun]

And bomb rushed the towers

We killed everything

[midnight nimbus]

Amiens is good, too much rubble and smoke, but it's still solid

good layout and lanes

[civic sun]

Also the mobile resupply in bfh was so convenient

Amirite

[steep radish]

ye

[merry ivy]

Amiens got it right when it comes to having each range of combat, useless teammates snipers can sit back, Medics and Supports can mid range stuff, and BF1 was always SMG08 field so Assault worked too

[steep radish]

super helpful too

[midnight nimbus]

feels good going to a teammate and knowing they will be helpful

[steep radish]

n

word

[civic sun]

St Quentin scar was my favorite bf1 map

Then Gallipoli

Then Amiens

Then sea of trees

[midnight nimbus]

Achi Baba was actually good on CQ

actually had lanes

[merry ivy]

Achi Baba wasn’t... awful

I hated some segments of it, and spawntrapping was awful

[midnight nimbus]

Achi Baba is like Fjell but actually good

[merry ivy]

spawntrapping is so much worse on Fjell though lmao

[civic sun]

Best operations on bf1?

[fathom pebble]

oh yeh aside the stug where's the Archer Dice

[civic sun]

Easily beyond the marine

[merry ivy]

especially on Breakthrough with a braindead Attacking team, Fjell is horrible to play

“attacking”

[fathom pebble]

if germans get an anti tank tank when do the allies do too?

[midnight nimbus]

Breakthrough is better than CQ at least

[merry ivy]

they sure attack those rocks way behind A

[civic sun]

Fjell makes me want to die

[midnight nimbus]

and doesn't include the shit parts of Grand Operations

[merry ivy]

agreed

Breakthrough is my favourite gamemode

because 1. its not Conquest and 2. its not Grand Ops

[civic sun]

They should add operations

Like

Ik its breakthrough

But make it like bf1

[midnight nimbus]

infy only frontlines pls

[civic sun]

True

[merry ivy]

wtf yes

[midnight nimbus]

and reduce the number of frontlines flags on hamada

7 is way too many

[civic sun]

Frontlines can only really work on bf1 thou

[midnight nimbus]

should never be more than 5

[merry ivy]

what

[civic sun]

Think about it

[merry ivy]

frontlines works in this game too

what do you mean

[civic sun]

I don’t like it

[midnight nimbus]

frontlines kinda sucks in BFV

[civic sun]

It’s not big enoug

J

Enough*

[merry ivy]

Breakthrough is the new king now and Operations was dealt a big oof

[midnight nimbus]

distance between objs is way too far, and transitioning objs plays very poorly with attrition

[merry ivy]

Conquest is still flag merry go round

[civic sun]

Operations or grand operations?

Operations for me

Grand operations is a cluster fuck

[solid hinge]

Grand operations straight up sucks

The set up is bad

[civic sun]

And I want to play final stand so god damn much but I can’t because the odds of getting final stand is basically nothing

[nocturne hawk]

battlefield is supposed to be a clusterfuck that no one has any control over

[merry ivy]

not really

[civic sun]

Bf1 operations made you feel like you were in a war

[serene patrol]

neither, only conquest is worth playing

[civic sun]

Bf5 operations- ello Soulja

[midnight nimbus]

Fjell frontlines is unironically kinda fun

one flag

it's like king of the hill lol

[civic sun]

I like it

I wonder what bf game will be next?

Possibly vietnam

Makes sense

[midnight nimbus]

probably DOA

[civic sun]

What if

Dice made operation overload

I mean

Operation unthinkable

Mb

[serene patrol]

Battlefield Heroes 2

[civic sun]

No

Lol

That’s stupid

It is basically tf2

[midnight nimbus]

no attrition, good visibility, and good gunplay pls

[civic sun]

Yeah

So

[midnight nimbus]

BFV gunplay is like ok

[civic sun]

Russia versus all allies

That’s basically operation overload

[midnight nimbus]

BFV gunplay has a few good core concepts, but also has some really terrible mechanics weighing it down

[civic sun]

Bfv has gunplay

That’s it

[serene patrol]

wow hey now

[civic sun]

Vehicles suck

[serene patrol]

it also has like 2 maps that are any good

[civic sun]

Maps are decent

I guess

It’s subjective

[midnight nimbus]

BFV gunplay is like a sidegrade from BF1

honestly

[civic sun]

Bf1 gunplay isn’t too good

[midnight nimbus]

RSC SMG 👌

[civic sun]

Die

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 Ribey is fantastic

[serene patrol]

it's very similar but less weighty and tweaked ttk

[civic sun]

No really just die

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 AL8 .35 is a masterpiece

[civic sun]

Yes

Don’t die

[midnight nimbus]

RSC SMG is so fun

[civic sun]

Al8 is my favorite gun

[serene patrol]

speaking of BF1, I tried playing again. the only people left playing are top tier shitbuckets who never left

[civic sun]

why don’t they add the hellrigel in bf5?

[midnight nimbus]

MP28 is the Hellriegel

but better

[civic sun]

I played bf5

Bf1*

Went like 30 and 0

The people playing now

[midnight nimbus]

i have like 8200 kills with the AL8 .35 in BF1

[civic sun]

Are shit

I have like 5k

[midnight nimbus]

BFV AL8 feels like shit

[civic sun]

It does

I want an al8 extended for the medic

[midnight nimbus]

medic should just have ARs

honestly

[civic sun]

Yeah

[midnight nimbus]

LMGs are actually better than ARs in BFV

SARs are better than ARs

[civic sun]

Lmgs are overpowered

[midnight nimbus]

AR medic would've been fine

nah, LMGs are fine

just brainless

[serene patrol]

lol what lmg is op, you talking about mmgs?

[civic sun]

Me and a friend went 70+ kills with lmgs

[midnight nimbus]

just like SARs

[civic sun]

I carried my friend to 30 and 0

He went 108 at the end of the game

108-34 i think

[midnight nimbus]

bring back reverse spread LMGs pls

or reverse hrec

doesn't really matter which

[civic sun]

Bring a 300 bullet slow fire low damage lmg

[midnight nimbus]

reverse hrec just means more screenshake

[civic sun]

But it doesn’t overheat

For a while

[midnight nimbus]

1919 is coming to BFV

[civic sun]

bring back the martini Henry

what’s the new lmg going to be like?

I’m quite excited

[midnight nimbus]

Madsen is good, better than KE7 imo

Chauchat is the best LMG in the game

[civic sun]

Ugh

[midnight nimbus]

by a long shot

[civic sun]

I hate the ke7

And my favorite lmg has to be the BAR

[midnight nimbus]

Chauchat is like

[civic sun]

Bad

[midnight nimbus]

no other LMG is worth touching

[civic sun]

It is the worst lmg of all time

Lol

[midnight nimbus]

BFV Chauchat is incredible

[civic sun]

Jammed

I wish I had the vgo

[midnight nimbus]

Chauchat is the only thing that can compete with SARs

[civic sun]

True

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 Chau sucked

[civic sun]

Sar are probably the best class of weapons now

[midnight nimbus]

BFV Chau is like S-tier

[civic sun]

SAR are way to versatile

It puts the recon to shame

[midnight nimbus]

i looked at the stats for the Chau and wondered if they even ran it through some form of QC at all

[civic sun]

Probably not

Knowing dice and their laziness

[midnight nimbus]

like most of the guns are excellently balanced

then you have SARs

[civic sun]

Oh dear laws

[icy sluice]

So, I managed to perform very well with the Suomi Rapid Fire in Narvik of all places

[midnight nimbus]

Chauchat bridges the gap between normie guns and SARs

[civic sun]

Lawd*

SAR’s just piss me off

[icy sluice]

Eh, I get killed by a gun, I get killed by a gun.

[civic sun]

There’s no point to do anything anymore when the one class meant for cqc can now fuck people up at 70 meters

[midnight nimbus]

RRRL/RRRR Chauchat is just disgusting

[icy sluice]

or person using specific type of gun

[midnight nimbus]

i only use SARs

bc everything else sucks

[icy sluice]

Good on you

[civic sun]

Stg?

[icy sluice]

I use basically every gun class

[midnight nimbus]

can't 100m with other guns

not without a bipod at least

[civic sun]

I’m a stg main

It’s a good gun

But the more I use it

The more I hate it

[midnight nimbus]

less health attrition if other people can't shoot you

[solid hinge]

s-snipers

[civic sun]

Fucking hell the stg needs a buff

Like

[midnight nimbus]

if you're accurate enough to snipe, why not use the AG m/42

[civic sun]

Less recoil

[midnight nimbus]

seriously

[civic sun]

Ag m/42 is good

I’ve used it a couple of times

I can perform very well with that gun

[solid hinge]

the chauchat felt accurate enough in single player, with those specs and a 3x scope im fully expecting it to be a monster

[fleet mantle]

add this to the stg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zielgerät_1229

lol

[civic sun]

When your team is getting their asses kicked and you want to leave but you see your 50-10

[coarse thunder]

Wouldn't be surprised if the Chauchat is a 3-4btk

At the expense of really slow RoF

[midnight nimbus]

Chauchat is 3-4BTK

[solid hinge]

I'm pretty sure itll be 3 up to 50m at least

[midnight nimbus]

3BTK to 50m

360 RPM

[solid hinge]

yeah!

[midnight nimbus]

literally full auto Turner with a detachable mag lol

[coarse thunder]

I'm saying BF5, not BF1

[civic sun]

My only question for adding the chuachat is

[midnight nimbus]

i'm saying BFV

[civic sun]

why

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 Chau has like a 20m 3BTK

[civic sun]

It’s kinda stupid

[midnight nimbus]

gotta reuse those assets boi

[civic sun]

True

[solid hinge]

because crossoint mag

[civic sun]

At this point

[midnight nimbus]

BFV Chau has good hrec too

vrec isn't bad

[civic sun]

This game is turning into another bf1

[midnight nimbus]

great spec options

[civic sun]

Look how much they took from bf1

[midnight nimbus]

> This game is turning into another bf1
i wish

[solid hinge]

it was basically completely accurate in single player

[midnight nimbus]

SP Chau isn't the same as MP

[civic sun]

What?

Bf1 or bf5

[midnight nimbus]

BFV

[civic sun]

I hated the campaigns

Except for

[coarse thunder]

Just make the gun have the actual fire rate of the Cei Riggoti because that's how it is

[midnight nimbus]

BFV MP Chau is basically a full auto Turner with a detachable mag, except you get hrec

[civic sun]

Great tiger and under no flag

[midnight nimbus]

oh, and it gets the best optics in the game

gg

[solid hinge]

The scope is that good?

[midnight nimbus]

2x scope from the AG m/42

good visibility and you get fast ADS time

the 2x has the same ADS time as irons

3x is super slow

[solid hinge]

woof

[coarse thunder]

I don't like the 2x for some odd reason

[midnight nimbus]

well, it gets 3x and nydar too

[fleet mantle]

i wish aperture sights didn't suck in game

[midnight nimbus]

so you have good options

[fleet mantle]

because they are actually awesome irl

[midnight nimbus]

Chauchat is the only compelling upcoming gun

nothing else really stands out

[icy sluice]

Is the Ross going to be straight pull?

[midnight nimbus]

can't tell from files

[fleet mantle]

if it is then slrs will be even more obsolete lol

[icy sluice]

The G.95 should've been but whatever

[midnight nimbus]

but it has shit velocity

[coarse thunder]

Ross is a straight pull so it should

[icy sluice]

Well the G.95 is but it isn't

[midnight nimbus]

SLRs > bolt actions

two tap people all day

[icy sluice]

I just like hitting headshots

[coarse thunder]

I honestly think that's a developing fuck up

[fleet mantle]

2 tap 2 people then reload

[icy sluice]

Could be a balancing thing because the G.95 in Battlefield 1 was a straight pull

[coarse thunder]

The G95 being a pseudo straight bull in BF5

[midnight nimbus]

RSC and AL8 have a really underwhelming 2BTK range

50m 🤢

BF1 RSC was 70m

[icy sluice]

Yeah but they compensate with their rate of fire, they're meant to be more up close guns it feels like

[midnight nimbus]

and it was crisp af to use

BFV RSC recoil feels awful

even though it's easier to use

[fleet mantle]

if im sniping i just like the 1 shot headshots

[coarse thunder]

BF5 G95 feels really chunky to me

[icy sluice]

I find it weird that the Kar98k has better ADS speed than the G.95

[midnight nimbus]

i'd use SLRs if the 3x didn't have glint tbh

[coarse thunder]

I was good with the irons G95 in BF1

Now I'm straight shit with it

[icy sluice]

I hated that the Ross was basically a better G.95 in BF1

[midnight nimbus]

Ross god >>>

[icy sluice]

Same Rate of Fire, a Sweet Spot, more damage and a straight pull as well

[midnight nimbus]

remember when sniper rifles were good

and not troll tier

[icy sluice]

Snipers are still good in BFV, I am still able to snipe pretty well

[coarse thunder]

Only recon rifle I really use is the Selb 1906 but I might begin to use k98k irons if I'm arsed to get lvl 20 recon

[midnight nimbus]

G.95 was better if you liked to do the pistol swap meme

[icy sluice]

Not Stodeh levels but I am doing pretty good

[fleet mantle]

the ross was all i used in bf1

[icy sluice]

Yeah, I know, a Console Sniper that's good, throw up

🤢

[fleet mantle]

https://gfycat.com/CheerfulWholeColt

[midnight nimbus]

Arisaka Patrol was really good

[icy sluice]

https://streamable.com/fzmm3

[midnight nimbus]

bc you could strafe with it

[merry ivy]

The only operational Tiger in existence today had its turret disabled by a shot from a Churchill’s 6pdr

[fleet mantle]

lol +1 for tbag

[merry ivy]

“hans, our armour is ze best, they cannot do-“

“schiesse”

[icy sluice]

Fucking camper up there deserves the teabag

[fleet mantle]

did you see my ross gfy

[icy sluice]

Yeah, nice shot

[fleet mantle]

sometimes you just gotta tbag em

but sometimes you gotta hit them with the ground hump instead

but yeah i doubt ross is going to have straight pull bolt

[icy sluice]

Who knows?

Something tells me it will have a fast ads speed

[midnight nimbus]

all guns share the same ADS speed

universal values

all guns within the same weapon type*

[icy sluice]

Why does the G.95 feel much slower than the Krag's then?

I have Quick Aim on both of them as well

[midnight nimbus]

🤷

[compact oxide]

Pretty sure the krag just resets faster for recoil?

[midnight nimbus]

everything has the same recoil reset values too, within the same class

[compact oxide]

Hmm

[sudden siren]

So the game added a subsection of what guns are for what class

[midnight nimbus]

actually sniper rifles have the same recoil decrease values as semis and autos as well

lol

guess it's just feels then

[sudden siren]

My prediction is that Medics will get shotguns, Armored will get SLRs

[icy sluice]

I bayoneted a guy through a guard... wait... I don't know what to call it because I'm tired

Things you hold while going down the stairs

Like a railing... is that just the term?

Just a railing?

[sleek verge]

...Yes

[icy sluice]

I thought like household staircases would have a different name

Anyways, tf happened?
https://streamable.com/895wq

[sleek verge]

Sometimes they're called banisters

But those are like

Fancy

I guess

[icy sluice]

Also, found out that the little breaks in the roofing of the Cathedral in Devastation have good hitboxes

Like, you can shoot a PIAT rocket or a flare through them

[sinful zenith]

How fucking broken is calling in a jb2

Pulled out the binocs 4 times and still didn’t work

[steep radish]

probably malfunctioning on their end

they’re trying their best ok

[sinful zenith]

That moment when you get team flipped on final stand

[icy sluice]

I can probably start a fucking bayonet montage now that I think about it

That can happen? Jesus

[steep radish]

did you just answer your own question

[sinful zenith]

I was allied on conquest on fjell and the round ended and went on to final stand and I’m axis now lmao

[steep radish]

LOL

British got pissed because you tried calling in a B2

lmao

“We cant launch the rocket fucking hell with this guy”
“Fuck him give him to the germans”

[sudden siren]

DICE should add the Sig p226 from

BF4