battlefield-legacy-titles

[midnight nimbus]

Sten overrated

unless you like easy recoil

[sacred junco]

Think mp40 has better recoil property or something just Sten has an easier to handle pattern

[solid hinge]

the speed at the start

[idle breach]

yep

[midnight nimbus]

Sten also has no recoil acceleration

[brave wave]

The first assault rifle you get shreds

literally

[sacred junco]

1907 shreds even harder

[solid hinge]

Look if battlefield makes a cold war they can do actually this: make it also a sort tides of war like the vietnam war Korean war, war in Berlin etc.... Also they could have a lot of specializations for specials units like the SAS the Navy seals Spetnaz etc.... So your character could look badass also vechiles no problem for the cold war like warthog a10 or some helicopters from Vietnam t-60 or Abraham's tankd etc.... I see so much potential in this era that it could bring some hype back

[stone cargo]

how come when i see people play this game they always hip firing

[stone brook]

@midnight nimbus What is InitialSpeed and X/Y/Z ?

[brave wave]

because it's OP af

[idle breach]

cold war has a lot of potential but actually doing it is fucking harder.

[midnight nimbus]

velocity

[solid hinge]

Ye ikr

[idle breach]

you need a fuckton of assets really

[brave wave]

close range it's quicker to hipfire than actually ADS

[solid hinge]

Hahah

True

[midnight nimbus]

BFV SMG hipfire is really good now

[solid hinge]

But wait guys pls help me

Did dice Stockholm work on bf1?

[dense bone]

@stone cargo depending on gun its just as good as ADS and faster than ADSing

[solid hinge]

Or dice la?

[midnight nimbus]

BFV ADS times are slow overall

[stone brook]

initialspeed = bullet velocty?

[midnight nimbus]

both studios work on all games

[idle breach]

stockholm

[stone cargo]

wow if hip fire is as accurate as ads i dont wanna play

[stone brook]

what is the Y multiplier for?

[dense bone]

on certain guns

[midnight nimbus]

hipfire isn't as accurate as ADS

[dense bone]

and those gun typically suck with ADS

[midnight nimbus]

on any gun

[solid hinge]

Because right now only Stockholm worked on bfv I know so far

[dense bone]

within that range

[solid hinge]

So I don't know if they gonna survive the probably 2 years with bfv but I don't think so

[dense bone]

like suomi, within its effective range ADS doesnt really give you a benefit vs hipfire with hipfire specs under 20m

[solid hinge]

What would a cold war game look like exactly? Fingers on the button, but never pressed? 😄

[sacred junco]

I know Panzerstorm was made by LA

[stone cargo]

thats one thing i always hated about cod how accurate hip fire was

[midnight nimbus]

nah you can squeeze really good range out of even the Suomi

just burst

[solid hinge]

Ah nice

[brave wave]

@solid hinge they're doing not bad so far with the roadmap they have set out

[solid hinge]

@sacred junco

[midnight nimbus]

CoD hipfire is really bad

especially in comparison to BF

[solid hinge]

@brave wave ofc but you know the major community is already gone

[dense bone]

maybe new suomi, but still, youll get owned by anyone the same skill level as you with any other gun thats designed for even slightly better range

[solid hinge]

Its a fact

[stone cargo]

i dont remember hip fireing being that insane in BF4

[midnight nimbus]

hip fire in BF4 is stronger than BF1

for SMGs at least

[solid hinge]

Battlefield always had a good name except for hardline but it wad forgiven really shortly

[stone brook]

Well BF4 guns should be more accurate

WW1 and 2 guns were junk

[solid hinge]

Because between hardline and battlefield 1 was one year if I was right

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 guns are less accurate than BF1/BF4

[stone cargo]

The only advantage an SMG should have is a faster ADS time thats it in my opinions

[brave wave]

@solid hinge agreed - if they keep adding fresh content & actually listening to the community & updating the roadmap with new things it'll survive. I find myself going for the community challenges more often than just playing for fun tbh

[midnight nimbus]

they can just be microbursted to more easily squeeze out more performance, that's all

[stone brook]

Compared to modern weapons like the AK-107, a full auto rifle with zero vertical recoil

[midnight nimbus]

BFV guns are by far the most accurate in the series

[brave wave]

@solid hinge hardline was DREADFUL haha

[solid hinge]

Ye haha

[midnight nimbus]

a lot of them are designed for the fuckhuge maps and are 100m capable

Hardline best BF tho

[stone brook]

maps are too big

[echo sand]

It shouldn't take this long to find a damn game

[midnight nimbus]

it's not that the maps are too big, the lanes are just too big and flow terribly

[brave wave]

@midnight nimbus wrong man, so so wrong! it played so badly - the game modes were excellent and the concept was great, the execution was so poor though

[stone cargo]

I played BF1 and i liked it but i only had it on xbox then my live expired and now i play on PC

RiP

[dense bone]

bf1 is my least liked bf i have played

[marble phoenix]

^^^

Easily

[stone cargo]

@dense bone even worse than BFV?

[solid hinge]

But what I am also trying to say is that their marketing was just in a such bad position, major people didn't like the game by its first judge and you don't want that. people are really simple they judge by a trailer how the game is gonna be nowadays if the first trailer is bad it seem like that it is not gonna liked as much as a game with a good first trailer @brave wave

[midnight nimbus]

BFH/BF1 are by far the best I've played

[dense bone]

i think bfv is great

[midnight nimbus]

solely due to game modes and goofy guns

[marble phoenix]

BFV is a top game in the series

[stone cargo]

I liked how the weapons felt in BFH thats pretty much it

[marble phoenix]

Hardline seemed underrated

[dense bone]

bf4>bf3/bfv>>>>bf1

[midnight nimbus]

Hardline has really good modes

BF1 actually has an appreciable skill ceiling to guns

[stone brook]

I miss War Pigeons

[stone cargo]

that car mode was wack tho

[stone brook]

where'd that game mode go

[midnight nimbus]

BFV guns aren't hard to use it you can just pull on the mouse

[stone cargo]

BF1 war pigeons was fire

[brave wave]

@solid hinge Agreed, they did spend a fair bit of cash on marketing for BFV though and has some big names in, casey neistat & corridor digital to name a couple

[stone brook]

You could rack up some serious kills in a close War Pigeons game

[midnight nimbus]

war pigeons was good fun yea

BF1 frontlines is way better than BFV's too

better maps for it

[stone cargo]

what was that one BFH mode where you had to steal money that was fun

[solid hinge]

Ye so good trailer at start means more hype

Remember the bf1 marketing was just insane

[marble phoenix]

I miss the sabotage gadget in Hardline

[solid hinge]

Because that trailer was blowing away

[brave wave]

Yeah, it was EVERYWHERE at the time haha

[sacred junco]

Wish ppl played frontlines in BF1

[solid hinge]

Ye haha

[stone cargo]

there were like a million youtube video reactions to BF1 before it came out

[solid hinge]

Yup

[brave wave]

BlackOps4 is miles ahead right now in terms of support

[stone cargo]

I just want a modern day Battlefield game

is that too much to ask for

[brave wave]

& don't even get me started on blackout

[stone cargo]

nothing futuristic just modern day stuff

[marble phoenix]

I think Vietnam next

Did they ever do Desert Storm?

[brave wave]

Activision always nail marketing though, always

[stone brook]

Battlefield: Space Force

[solid hinge]

The only thing they need to do for title is: make a trailer with less bullshit and More action that's all nowadays people think like to difficult like hey if I do this its maybe not right so don't put all the bullshit in the game to make people happy

[sacred junco]

Remember Infintie Warfare

[solid hinge]

So just my hint to dice is keep it simple

[brave wave]

IW & WW2 were trash

[stone cargo]

MW2 was the best cod hands down

BF4 was the best Battlefield game :)

[brave wave]

Cod4 (The Original) was the best

hands down

not that remastered bullshit they hit us with

[stone brook]

um no

Allied Assault

[marble phoenix]

COD BO One is my fav

[stone brook]

hello

[solid hinge]

I prefer bf3 and bf1 had so many cool experiences with bf1 I was fot example by the zombie door easter egg

[shut cipher]

does anyone else die because a teammates revive icon obscured an enemy

[solid hinge]

Someone translated the Morse in my server

[brave wave]

COD4 remastered was horrific - they ruined it by adding all the bullshit microtransactions to the game

[solid hinge]

So we got the reveal date of bfv

I still remember it

May 23 battlefield will never be the same

[stone cargo]

i played cod4 remasted for like 2 days then stopped

[brave wave]

The Easter eggs were sooooooooooooo good

[solid hinge]

Ye bf1 were amazing

[brave wave]

I remember trying to grind the phantom bow

such a hard thing to do

[solid hinge]

Ye bf4 was even better

[stone cargo]

Defuse or whatever that game mode was on Bf4 was my favorite

[brave wave]

They need to bring back search & destroy

can't remember what BF called it

[stone cargo]

yea that was one of the best modes

[solid hinge]

Bf1 was just my most hyped game I even have posters in my room and a phone case from bf1

[stone cargo]

@solid hinge you bought the Hype 😂

[solid hinge]

Hahah ye😂

i have bf1 pantsu

Nice

But it felt like I have watched ever bf1 trailer for, 60 times

Even sometimes this year I still watch it

Same for bf3 trailers

[stone cargo]

lol why

[solid hinge]

same

Because the trailers were fking addictive af😂

sometimes i spend hours watching bf trailers

Ye same

They looked so good

And I don't have that with bfv trailers

Its just strange

[brave wave]

if any of you play on xbox add my tag "Raspberreh" - need a few decent guys to play with

[stone cargo]

My favorites games of all time were the Halo games

[brave wave]

lacking in decent players these days

[calm grove]

Hi :x

[solid hinge]

henlo

[calm grove]

Just bought this game yesterday :)

[solid hinge]

pc?

[calm grove]

Yea pc

[dense bone]

@brave wave could try #lfg-xbox and #509395745510653953 as well

[solid hinge]

Watch this for nostalgia

https://youtu.be/EHa2j3wO9B8

welcome

to bfv

[calm grove]

I got bf4,bf1 and bfv

Is fun haha

[solid hinge]

yus

[stone cargo]

you guys think everyone is going to like BFV's BR mode with WW2 weapons

[dense bone]

everyone?

no

cant please everyone

[stone cargo]

man i dont literally mean everyone

[solid hinge]

I know it

[dense bone]

hell, people are mad we are getting br even though its free and extra content

[solid hinge]

I know why battlefield 1 was just a heck of a good trailer because everything fits the music the actions the pacing

ppl r stupid k

[stone cargo]

People need to stop getting all upset over games adding BR to their games its not like thats all the game is like PUBG

[solid hinge]

if they dont want br

dont play it

s simple as that

[dense bone]

yea, but people for some reason think thats a stupid response

they want people to get fired

want dice/ea to lose money

[solid hinge]

they've probably already lost money from it

but it's EA

[stone cargo]

didnt EA lose a ton of money with that star wars game

[solid hinge]

they'll get it back through football lootboxes

[stone cargo]

over micro transactions

[solid hinge]

yeah the micros in battlefront 2 took forever to be implemented

it doesnt matter if they lose money off bfv

they always have fifa

Most people have enough in game money they can just buy all the skins without having to pay real money for it

never gets old

[stone cargo]

i think Fortnite does micro transactions the best

you dont feel robbed

[solid hinge]

indeed

[dense bone]

i imagine bfv is gonna do the same

idk about season passes

but at least cosmetics

[solid hinge]

yes but its kinda too late

they're taking a while to set it up

[dense bone]

i mean, its a "full price game"

they already made money

[solid hinge]

*half price

[dense bone]

they dont NEED this to make money

[solid hinge]

😏

[stone cargo]

nah it works on Fortnite cus its free to playwhat makes people mad is a full priced game adding micro transactions

[solid hinge]

yeah that's the shitty part

[dense bone]

micro transactions are 100% fine as long as its cosmetic

[solid hinge]

inb4 deluxe @solid hinge

i don't like their implementation in full price games

shittiest deluxe ever bought

they better give deluxe some bcoins

[stone cargo]

i really hate how companies chop thier games into 3, Standard, deluxe, seaosn pass editions whatever they call them

[solid hinge]

the deluxe in this would have been better if you just got the fancy currency instead of red devil skins

otherwise gon be mad

[dense bone]

i like how they get rid of dlc, but still sell a version that is usually with the dlc

[stone cargo]

@dense bone 😂

what i hate just as much is "pre order now to get beta access"

like the division 2 is doing

[dense bone]

ehh, im fine with that, i usually cancel anyways

[solid hinge]

No point pre ordering anything now

games are wack on release very often

[scenic beacon]

I liked the first division, that game was fun tho

dark zone with friends

[solid hinge]

did you like the virtual queue?

[stone cargo]

these other companies need to take notes from EPic games

[gray glade]

imagine if lootboxes that you gotta pay for were made illegal

[dense bone]

epic games only recent hit is fortnite

[sacred junco]

it is THE hit tho

[stone cargo]

yea and its the biggest game ever

[dense bone]

and that wasnt even their own doing, they just copied pubg mixed with their game and made it free

[solid hinge]

it's got the same basic premise as pubg but it's significantly different enough to deserve praise

[woven lake]

hello how many days are left for the first week

[scenic beacon]

3 i think

[solid hinge]

frequent content updates and nice balancing too

[dense bone]

idk if id say it deserves praise

[stone cargo]

i played the BlackOps 4 Br trial and PUBG mechanics feel way better that cod

[solid hinge]

it's a good game for being free

[woven lake]

do i have enough time to finish the first week

[scenic beacon]

yes, its real easy

[solid hinge]

@woven lake you can do it in one day

No worries

[scenic beacon]

do it all in squad conquest, the challenges only work there i think

[woven lake]

black ops 4 isn't fre

free

[stone cargo]

@woven lake theres a free trial till the 27th or something

[dense bone]

blackout has a free week trial

[stone cargo]

the BR mode at least

[solid hinge]

all i need is weekly bug fixes

[woven lake]

doens't sound worth it

[dense bone]

and its bad imo

[woven lake]

shocking

[solid hinge]

do u remember the bipod fix ? they said when it was ready the chapter update was ready so they didnt include it

so stupid

[scenic beacon]

and they NERFED the bipod

[dense bone]

a 10% reduction, thats fine

[solid hinge]

just release a small patch and sum bug fixes instead of seasonal patches

[scenic beacon]

there goes my mg42 my precious baby

[sacred junco]

its getting released in the next update

[brave wave]

PUBG on xb1 is horrendous

[solid hinge]

no i mean bipod deploying

[dense bone]

keep bipods broken, the less camping the better

[brave wave]

Not optimised at all

[sacred junco]

small patches are harder to schedule esp with console releases

[woven lake]

the bipod fix isn't OUT YET?

[scenic beacon]

no

[echo jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj5mPuShilg

[brave wave]

Console patches need to go through Microsoft approval 2-3 weeks

[solid hinge]

pubg console release is a joke

[woven lake]

^

[solid hinge]

yes

i played it

[brave wave]

They can’t just hotfix like they do on cod

[solid hinge]

arbage

[stone cargo]

PUBG console was a mistake

[solid hinge]

garbage

its literally not playable

pc 10 times better

[brave wave]

Yeah, horrific port

No optimisation at all

[solid hinge]

like.. idk how you get to release something like that

[dense bone]

but blackout performs worse than pubg on pc xD

[sacred junco]

of a horrifically optimized game on PC?

[solid hinge]

even mobile is better than console

[stone cargo]

not even that consoles also just have weak CPU's

[solid hinge]

pubg mobile is unironically better than the console version

pubg is poorly optimized game

[stone cargo]

COnsoles n eed to stop making everything about graphics and put a decent processor in there screw the Graphics card

[solid hinge]

we all knew it would run like shit

Imagine fucking a port up so bad the phone version is better

[brave wave]

Agreed

[solid hinge]

its hardcore

[brave wave]

The mobile version is a million times better haha

[solid hinge]

god i really wish they'd stop focusing on graphics on console

i just want 60fps

[scenic beacon]

I liked the phone version, felt polished

[solid hinge]

spend 5 minutes trying to pick up items and equip them

i don't need fancy graphics if it's under 30fps

[shut cipher]

what are you guys talking about pubg

[stone cargo]

console they focus on just graphics which is terrible

[solid hinge]

the anti alising is shit

[brave wave]

Even the graphics on PUBG are horrific hahaha

[shut cipher]

that game is a joke on console

[dense bone]

priorities are determined by the dev

[brave wave]

Makes no sense

[solid hinge]

dont see anything futher than 50m

[shut cipher]

30 fps

[solid hinge]

recent priorities seem to be graphics focused

[brave wave]

Even still

[dense bone]

for the most part yea

[brave wave]

It’s garbage haha

[solid hinge]

pubg has shitty graphics anyways

[dense bone]

naughty dog does 30 fps for sp and 60 fps for mp

[stone cargo]

cant these companies see that even PC players lower their settings for higher FPS

[solid hinge]

stretched textures

[brave wave]

I like that BF started letting console players change the FOV

Was the best thing they ever done

[stone cargo]

i mean most game son console are 60 FPS except open world games they are 30 FPS cus the processor is buttcheeks

[brave wave]

Looks goofy as fuck in default settings

[solid hinge]

how come rdr2 look and run better than pubg

[stone cargo]

PC gamers play on stupid FOV's anyway with that fisheye looking nonsense

[solid hinge]

such week optimization

not all

[midnight nimbus]

110 FOV bois

we out here

[brave wave]

I love that shit

I’ve got mine on max

[solid hinge]

i never do fisheye

[stone cargo]

they want to see 180 left to right its so dumb

[midnight nimbus]

it's so good with an ultrawide monitor

[brave wave]

Ever since the cod4 promod days

[midnight nimbus]

see people next to you

[solid hinge]

it feels like warping to another dimention

[brave wave]

I’ve got a 60” TV i play on

Looks gorgeous

[midnight nimbus]

makes the game feel faster too

[brave wave]

Yup @midnight nimbus

[stone cargo]

i play on a 24'' monitor 😛

[brave wave]

60” LG tv in game mode

[stone brook]

gross

[dense bone]

oled?

[brave wave]

Zero to little input lag

[midnight nimbus]

35" ultrawide big bois

[stone brook]

74/90 fov is all that's needed

[brave wave]

MAX FOV

so so good haha

[midnight nimbus]

120 FOV option pls

[brave wave]

Each to their own though

[shut cipher]

I wish RoE would come to console and just delete pubg xbox

[stone cargo]

huge Tv's have a bad response time like 4 seconds

[brave wave]

Mine is fine

[shut cipher]

what @stone cargo

they don't

what are you talking about

[solid hinge]

RoE is actually really good now

[brave wave]

Depends on mode etc the tv is running

[stone cargo]

@shut cipher but they do

[solid hinge]

but i just dont like br anymore

[dense bone]

4 seconds?

errr...

[solid hinge]

cuz usually boring alone

[brave wave]

Most will run poor on standard modes

[shut cipher]

they don't. I have a 70 inch TV bro.

[brave wave]

But newer TV’s have a game mode

[shut cipher]

68 actually

[stone cargo]

im obviousliy exaggerating but it a noticeable delay

[shut cipher]

there is no delay

what are you on about

[stone cargo]

of course there is

[brave wave]

Reduces latency & input lag significantly

[shut cipher]

well there's no noticeable delay

[brave wave]

I agree

[stone cargo]

thats why most people paly on monitors cus you get 1 - 5 ,millisecond response times

[brave wave]

Bet I’m still better than Someone with a “gaming” monitor

It’s all marketing bullshit

[stone cargo]

its not tho you can actually feel it depending on the TV

[dense bone]

depends who someone is

skills outweighs everything

[stone cargo]

^

[scenic beacon]

^

[stone cargo]

its like PC noobs who just love saying console gamers are bots

[brave wave]

It might be different for PC where frame rate is higher

[dense bone]

granted, hardware can limit a user

[brave wave]

But for console it makes no difference

Friend of mine spent so much on monitors and headsets etc etc

[dense bone]

i have good shit for competitive gaming, but me on a standard pc and i can gaurantee i will perform less

[brave wave]

And he was still trash

[dense bone]

not saying i will be bad, but not AS good

[stone cargo]

like on FOrtnite before cross play everyone was like COnsole gamers are bad now they are like bro aim assist is Op

[stone brook]

fortnite isn't a good example

it has a very low skill cap

[scenic beacon]

it never is

[stone cargo]

the skill gap is mostly in building

[dense bone]

fortnite is mostly how well you can build and your shotgun skills

[stone cargo]

you can try to kill Tfue with the best weapons in the game while hes on 50 health and you are at 200 and i bet he will still kill you

People that say Fortnite is bad just have a hard time with building

[midnight nimbus]

fortnite is skillful

for a BR game

it's a high APM game

[brave wave]

Hardware etc has nothing on skill

[dense bone]

hardware does

[stone cargo]

I love that you can build and break down stuff, you can kill the biggest camper on a mountain if you are good

[brave wave]

In terms of what?

[dense bone]

it cam limit your skill

[brave wave]

Peripherals?

[craggy snow]

Just try going into a comp game on csgo with a controller and see how that goes

[brave wave]

Or actual hardware

[dense bone]

both is hardware

[craggy snow]

Even try going into a csgo match with a bad mouse and see the difference.

[dense bone]

if i went from my pc to the "standard 1080p" pc i would perform less

[stone cargo]

@craggy snow CSGO is way different since you are aiming away from players half the time due to spray patterns

[brave wave]

Peripherals aren’t hardware

[midnight nimbus]

wat

[brave wave]

Hardware is GPU/CPU etc

[stone brook]

[dense bone]

hardware is physical components

[craggy snow]

@stone cargo you nearly always aim at the head. 90% of the time you don't spray more than 10 rounds.

[dense bone]

that includes peripherals

[brave wave]

If you say so

[dense bone]

the definition says so

[brave wave]

Regardless

Has nothing on skill

[dense bone]

what do you mean by that?

hardware can limit skill

[stone cargo]

@craggy snow i hate CSGO mechanics, people talk about how hard it is to aim in CSGO yet the game freezes the people you are shooting at to make it easier to hit you shots

[dense bone]

unless you are saying skill is more important than hardware, which is true

[craggy snow]

@stone cargo that's ridiculous. Nobody freezes. You stop for a fraction of a second, shoot then move again.

Csgo has the highest skill ceiling of any FPS game.

[stone cargo]

its not what you play on but who is playing that matter 😉

[dense bone]

both are important

[stone brook]

Not higher than Quake @craggy snow

[dense bone]

yes a pro on a less optimized pc is still a pro player

but he could start dropping matches vs other similar skilled players

[stone cargo]

Quake is wack you can shoot someone in the toe or the head for the same ammount of damage

plus games turn into rocket spam

[stone brook]

That's why it has a high skill ceiling

With damage equalized movement aim and rewarded

[brave wave]

Take two players, one on a garbage set up and one on a beast set up, garbage setup owns beast set up

All skill

[dense bone]

but if they are the same skill wise, the better set up will have an advantage and should win

[stone cargo]

Halo is my favorite game ever 🤷 we all like different mechanics

[little fjord]

Some good players leverage imperfections in the netcode to their advantage... sometimes low fps is an advantage to some players

[brave wave]

Nah

All marketing

[dense bone]

lol nah

[brave wave]

I bet you the kind of guy who buys Starbucks coffee 😂

[craggy snow]

I used to enjoy halo 2 and 3. Then they go ridiculous with the built in aimbot

[dense bone]

no, keurig, and how is that relevant at all?

[shut cipher]

in fortnite your rof is directly impacted by your fps so yeah hardware does mean something

[stone cargo]

Halo 6 is gonna be On PC its gonna be fire

[dense bone]

theres a reason you see any pro use a mouse that has at least a 3310 sensor, anything lower is a detriment

[scenic beacon]

Ew a keurig, you gotta use a french press, much better

i totally aint a coffee snob

[dense bone]

im not a coffee person, just need it for a boost

[craggy snow]

I played halo online quite a bit.

They'll need to balance it totally different for mouse

[stone cargo]

were all about to get banned talking about other games in the Battlefield channel

[craggy snow]

Sniper was way too easy.

[stone brook]

I played Halo 2 with a m/kb

[dense bone]

warned/muted, they wouldnt ban for this

[little fjord]

!ban @stone cargo

[stone cargo]

Sniping is easy when you play kids that have low awareness and all that

[craggy snow]

You could 4 shot nearly every time.

[stone cargo]

cus in halo if oyu get shot you get de scooped from guns

[craggy snow]

It's too snappy on the mouse.

[brave wave]

I used to play cod competitively on console, was better than 90% of the people I was playing against - no fancy controller or monitor

[stone cargo]

you cant scope in like other games

[brave wave]

I shredded

It’s all skill

[craggy snow]

You wouldn't even use the scope. You use it like a csgo ak

[stone cargo]

@little fjord dont do it

[craggy snow]

But with no movement constraint

[dense bone]

and you might have been better than 92% of the players if you used better stuff

[craggy snow]

It's ridiculous

[scenic beacon]

You just gotta build experience in the game, hardware only truly benefits higher skills and more experience

[little fjord]

🔨

[craggy snow]

Xoefi top 10% isn't pro level. That's top 0.01%

[stone cargo]

console gaming is the most even playing field tho

[dense bone]

^

and that

[scenic beacon]

^

[dense bone]

so... xoefi is just way off

[stone brook]

yea everyone is handicapped

[midnight nimbus]

top 10% of players still aren't that good

[craggy snow]

I've hovered around top 1% on most FPS games. I'm nowhere near pro level.

[dense bone]

^

same

[stone cargo]

on PC you have people that run 30 FPS vs someone on 144 FPS with better hardware including a better mouse and keybaord

[steep radish]

whats wrong with that

[brave wave]

@craggy snow regardless, I was good .. hardware accounts for nothing

[dense bone]

hardware accounts

without a doubt

[brave wave]

It’s all marketing bullshit

[dense bone]

it wont make you good or bad

[brave wave]

No it doesn’t 😭😭🙄

[dense bone]

but it will not restraint you

[steep radish]

I mean

hardware

doesnt mean its this big thing all the time

[scenic beacon]

It doesn't MAKE you get skills, it only benefits already existing skills. A beast setup wont do a noob any good

[dense bone]

its not marketing bs when theres actual numbers behind it, input lag, tracking accuracy, etc

[stone cargo]

i mean i play better now than i did when i had an old AMD FX processor that got frame drops every 4 seconds

[steep radish]

I mean its just things to help you make your PC run better

[stone brook]

Hardware enhances skill. A lot of small advantages add up in the margins.

[steep radish]

“Hardware enhances skill”

[brave wave]

Also back to my original comment, hardware and peripherals are two different things entirely

[steep radish]

WHEEZE

Good joke man!

[brave wave]

Hardware falls under CPU/GPU/RAM etc etc etc

[stone brook]

Hardware is any physical device.

[dense bone]

Hardware - Computer hardware refers to the physical parts of a computer and related devices. Internal hardware devices include motherboards, hard drives, and RAM. External hardware devices include monitors, keyboards, mice, printers, and scanners.

[stone brook]

Your wrong definition is.. wrong.

[steep radish]

Aint that software?

[brave wave]

Looool, ok then.

[stone cargo]

i was wathcing the battlefield stream yesterday and there was a person with aimbot in the server 😂

[craggy snow]

Unstable FPS and bad peripherals can definitely make you play worse. You won't notice if you are bad overall though

[steep radish]

But

Thats depending on the type of game

[brave wave]

Peripherals have their own name for no reason, cool story bro

[dense bone]

to further clarify

[steep radish]

If you have a decent PC to play these games I dont have to spend thousands more

[dense bone]

its like vehicle

but theres suv and trucks

[steep radish]

just to catch up and play the graphics to its full potential

[dense bone]

motorcycles

etc

[stone cargo]

man i thought peripherals were contact lenses 😪

[stone brook]

Graphics? No way

I spend a lot of money so I can turn the graphics down and crank the FPS

[brave wave]

@stone cargo WOW 😂😂😂😂😂

[steep radish]

Waste of money and time which is why I prefer console over PC in this case. I dont have to keep upgrading this shit

[craggy snow]

Having a decent mouse sensor and no frame drops and you will not be held back. 144hz also helps a lot

[brave wave]

PAHAHAHAHAHA

[dense bone]

almost as funny as someone thinking a mouse isnt hardware...

[brave wave]

Aw man shut up

[craggy snow]

@hehe don't talk about stuff you don't understand

[steep radish]

[stone cargo]

when all else fails i just blame ping 😛

[brave wave]

You think having a fancy keyboard and monitor gives you an advantage

Gtfo

[dense bone]

keyboard no, monitor yes

[craggy snow]

Course it does.

Have you played 144hz.

[dense bone]

as long as fancy monitor is fancy in terms of gaming

[steep radish]

Monitor doesnt give you more skill

[sacred junco]

helps a lot

[steep radish]

It just helps you run your game better

[solid hinge]

it gives

[dense bone]

a 4k ips monitor with high input lag is fancy, but not good for gaming

[steep radish]

It helps but amounting more skill

[sacred junco]

my rating dipped playing on a laptop screen

[steep radish]

What the fuck

[craggy snow]

No but it increases how your skill translates to gameplay

[steep radish]

?

[solid hinge]

bigger monitor, easier to see single pixels = easy headshots

[dense bone]

like ive been saying, hardware CAN limit skill

[stone cargo]

just turn all your settings to low is how you get good

[steep radish]

Ye

[dense bone]

hardware doesnt make you good or bad, but i can put a cap on your skill

for 99% of people, that means nothing

[steep radish]

But then if I had that option why would I need to waste more money to make my experience of gameplay bettrr

[dense bone]

but for pros, they wont limit their skill

[steep radish]

*better and if it hurts my PC too much

I just dont buy it

[brave wave]

Because the pros have deals with these companies to use their products

[stone cargo]

https://gamerant.com/xbox-gamers-better-pc-ps4-lg-study-activision/ 😂 Study claiims Xbox players have better aim that PC or PS4 players

[brave wave]

Doesn’t mean it makes them better

[dense bone]

and they arent going to use products that are bad

[steep radish]

I dont need to upgrade or upgrade my shit to 500+ dollar worth gear just to improve my skill over gameplay

[dense bone]

hence, why no pro uses a sensor under a 3310

[stone brook]

A reaction speed test? lol

That's an awful measure of who's better

[craggy snow]

My reaction speed is awful.

[steep radish]

@stone cargo this is fake right?

[stone brook]

You can't even take advantage of an increased reaction speed on consoles

[craggy snow]

But it doesn't affect me too much.

[dense bone]

its not a reaction speed test, its purely accuracy

[stone cargo]

@steep radish i think its legit 😆

[steep radish]

Xbox has decent players but they arent THAT good

[dense bone]

and that test says that pc gamers were faster

but slightly less accurate

and this test is done one mice for both

[steep radish]

Superior controller but better players? lol

[stone brook]

There was a better test done back in 2010

[brave wave]

Xbox players are better than PS players IMO

[stone brook]

Pitting some of the best console gamers using controllers versus mediocre PC gamers using m/kb

The m/kb users stomped

[steep radish]

What was the result

[stone brook]

Which is why M/KB use is so frowned upon on consoles

[steep radish]

Yea of course because Mouse and keyboard is superior

[stone brook]

I think VoodooPC and Microsoft conducted the experiment

[brave wave]

While this is on topic ....

[steep radish]

Literally has better aiming than console controllers

[brave wave]

Can you use mouse & KB on Xbox

[craggy snow]

I mean a controller without aim assist is like using a claw machine.

[brave wave]

For bf?

[stone brook]

You can with a XIM device

[dense bone]

@craggy snow lol what a good comparison

[stone brook]

or whatever the others are called

[stone cargo]

you can take the test here https://www.lg.com/uk/love-2-game/reaction-test.html

[scenic beacon]

@brave wave not bf yet, but warthunder, warframe and a few others

[brave wave]

Input lag though nah?

[steep radish]

Why play war thunder on XBOX lol

[brave wave]

Assuming it has to translate the signal

[steep radish]

Its literally better on PC

[stone cargo]

get the PC % up 😆

[steep radish]

On rank 3 on this point

[dense bone]

i got 97% on the test for pc users

[stone brook]

i dont know how much input lag but it's not like using a m/kb on pc

the device translates through the controller

so you're limited by the controller's ability

[stone cargo]

@dense bone screenshot or it didnt happen

[brave wave]

Yeah surely it’s capped

[dense bone]

ugh, this was weeks ago

ill just test again

[stone brook]

for example you can't turn at the same speed, because the joystick is limited physically

So you can't whip your mouse left and right and get the same movement, it actually slows down

[brave wave]

So would be down to sensitivity

Rather than joystick moveme t

Movement*

[stone brook]

no it's limited by the joysticks

[stone cargo]

damn my score sucked but im not warmed up and my hands are cold 😪we trash PC gamers

[stone brook]

it's translating through the controller

[steep radish]

I think a pretty good example of this is Battlefront

[stone brook]

you have to have a controller attached to the device

[brave wave]

Fair

[steep radish]

Considering that aiming on consoles is to hard and precise to control

[stone brook]

Aiming on joysticks really isn't aiming at all

It's more of... stopping

[steep radish]

and vehicles are difficult to use

Its preferred m/kb for aiming and controllers for vehicle shit

[dense bone]

@stone cargo https://gyazo.com/23046f1e4c719d79cc27823a5462008b

93%

[stone cargo]

i started On Xbox so im good with a controller too

[stone brook]

m/kb devices have been around forever, i used one on the original Xbox to play Halo 2 online

[steep radish]

So did I

Still I keep with it lul

[stone cargo]

@dense bone not bad 🤔

[dense bone]

97% was either a typo or i got lucky

[steep radish]

I mean controllers do have their pros over the mouse and keyboard

But M/KB is just simply better

[stone brook]

https://i.imgur.com/JvgFoW4.png

controllers are definitely better for some games

[stone cargo]

when H6 comes out on PC i think im gonna use a controller cus thats how i always played halo

[stone brook]

racing

sports games

[midnight nimbus]

fighting games too

[dense bone]

gl using controler vs mouse

unless theres AA youll get wrecked

[stone brook]

2nd try 98%, 36 targets green

[midnight nimbus]

PC BO3 had auto aim

[stone cargo]

of course you need aim assist on controller you are trying to aim with two nipples

[midnight nimbus]

and it was crazy strong

arguably better than a mouse, depending on what gun you're using

[stone cargo]

aim assist ain auto aim tho

cod games did have a high ass aim assist on them

i got a top 0% of gamers in the reaction test thing get on my level

[dense bone]

auto aim is like rdr

where when you press aim it snaps to players for you

[stone cargo]

or that one game

GTAV

[dense bone]

lol

[kindred orchid]

That car game.

[dense bone]

you threw my off by saying car game

[stone cargo]

lol

[steep radish]

“That car game?”

[dense bone]

i was thinking something like forza made by rockstar

[steep radish]

Which one lol

Forza isnt rockstar

tf

[stone cargo]

i would be a bad trivia host

so what was that one gun game

[steep radish]

What was that game with tanks

[kindred orchid]

Max Payne.

[stone cargo]

😆

[steep radish]

Y’know the one with a gun

Im confused

[dense bone]

idk what youre asking at this point

[steep radish]

Is there any factions coming in the next two updates

[stone cargo]

@dense bone my score 😉 https://www.lg.com/uk/love-2-game/reaction-test.html

[dense bone]

says page does not exist

[stone cargo]

rip

[steep radish]

The page you request does not exist @stone cargo

Oh

he

[stone cargo]

damn

[steep radish]

nvm

[stone cargo]

well ihad 98% accuracy 35 targets hit with 2 targets missed

[dense bone]

yea either i dont recall my first test correctly or it was a fluke at 97%

im getting 90-93 consistently

[stone cargo]

you ever try aimboost my best time is 1:13 on it

[kindred orchid]

My score was 105.

[steep radish]

Is that even possible?

[dense bone]

yea i tried aimboost, dont like it though, doesnt translate to in game performance

[kindred orchid]

98%, missed 2 targets.

[steep radish]

How do you surpass 100?

[stone cargo]

@kindred orchid noice

[kindred orchid]

I dunno'.

Maybe it broke.

[stone cargo]

@steep radish idk it also says top 0% when you get that score

[kindred orchid]

Yeah.

[stone cargo]

who knows how it works

[dense bone]

im starting to wonder if i should switch from model 8 to zh

[kindred orchid]

You should.

[stone cargo]

peope think aim trainers make you better but i feel like they just warm you up and thats it

[kindred orchid]

It plays differently though.

[dense bone]

idk if i take advantage of the ROF for it to be worth

and zh gets reload reduction

[kindred orchid]

You play more medium/long range, then ZH is really nice.

Model 8 does really well if you play aggressive and short range.

[dense bone]

right, thats the general consensus, thats why i use the model 8

im an aggressive obj pusher

so i went with model 8

[kindred orchid]

I used the Model 8 for awhile, then I swapped over to the ZH-29 cause I play at all ranges.

[dense bone]

but thats purely because of the 200 rof

like.. is 50 rof THAT much of a difference?

[kindred orchid]

It can be for SLR.

[regal sapphire]

Did you guys see the new Jackfrags video?

[dense bone]

will the increased range and decreased reload time benefit me more?

[kindred orchid]

It depends, how often do you find yourself at a disadvantage at range?

[dense bone]

not that often

[kindred orchid]

Then probably not.

[regal sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj5mPuShilg&t=454s

[dense bone]

i played suomi pre buff, so i know how to navigate with short range weapons

[kindred orchid]

ZH-29 is a good counter-sniping rifle.

[dense bone]

i use selb 1906 for range

[kindred orchid]

I run with a 3x scope, but it's cause it's literally my all-rounder weapon.

[regal sapphire]

The 1906 is a worse ZH imo

[kindred orchid]

I rush in and play at a distance with it.

[dense bone]

1906 2 shots at all ranges though, zh doesnt

thats why i use 1906 at range

[brave wave]

Best AR?

Tommy gun?

[dense bone]

tommy isnt ar

tommy is smg

[regal sapphire]

Zh is 2 shot all ranges tho

[steep radish]

Lol

[brave wave]

Is it not in assault class

[kindred orchid]

No.

[steep radish]

No

[brave wave]

Or am I tripping

[dense bone]

nope

[steep radish]

medic

[kindred orchid]

You tripping.

[dense bone]

you trippin

[brave wave]

Oh, fair

Hahahaha

Best AR then?

[dense bone]

depends

[steep radish]

Debatable as hell

[dense bone]

imo g1-5 is the best all arounder

[brave wave]

I love the first one you get

[kindred orchid]

It's pretty balanced between all the ARs.

[brave wave]

Nearly finished the master challenges for it

[dense bone]

if youre assault i highly recommend the semis

[brave wave]

Meh, I feel like the damage on them isn’t that great

Compared to BF1

[dense bone]

they are the closest thing i would consider as OP

they 3-4 shot with good rof and no recoil

[kindred orchid]

You have to have the ability to click like a madman when you use semi-autos.

[brave wave]

What’s the best one to use?

[kindred orchid]

I don't have that kind of energy to spend.

[dense bone]

m1a1 is probably the best all arounder, g1-5 is my personal fav

since im cqb rusher

and the default 30 mags in g1-5 help a lot

but dmg falls off faster on g1-5 compared to other semis

[shut cipher]

should I level support or assault next

[steep radish]

support

[dense bone]

assault if you want to experience what true power is

[shut cipher]

the only reason I would play those classes is to get the mastery outfits

[dense bone]

support if you like to be versatile

[shut cipher]

having shotguns would be nice

versatile

medic

[dense bone]

medic is still kinda weak at range

i dont feel support suffers that

and with shotungs they beat medics at cqb

[charred heron]

Medic is a pretty decent CQC class, but Support covers all kinds of ranges

[shut cipher]

you don't need to cover every single range

[dense bone]

no you dont

but that makes you versatile

[charred heron]

Just go with the MG42 to have everything covered

[shut cipher]

you have smoke grenades with medic to close distance

[dense bone]

yes, but that still means they arent as versatile

just have tools to help get in their effective range

[shut cipher]

well all around medic is a more reliable class to me than support

[dense bone]

i got all my classes 20

[shut cipher]

ok

[dense bone]

ehh, atm theres a good amount of medics due to changes

so i like playing other classes to fill in the gaps

[shut cipher]

I only play medic and recon because I solo queue and I can't stand relying on other people to heal me

[dense bone]

im solo as well, assault gets a perk that helps with heals

recon and support are just effed

granted, i play obj so im always around heals

[shut cipher]

if you are a good recon player you don't have to worry about heals

use the auto regen and save your bandages

[dense bone]

im an aggressive recon player

[shut cipher]

it will last long enough if you know when to peek and when the enemy will peek

so am I

[dense bone]

and top % in stats

[azure lark]

I got the ZK to level 10 already. The hip fire proficiency assignment was annoying at times because the magazine blocked the crosshair

[shut cipher]

ok

[dense bone]

https://gyazo.com/813465350a3f19452107122716593083

[shut cipher]

what does top % in stats have to do with this

[dense bone]

my theory has numbers to back them

[shut cipher]

if you are a top player you should know that recon has great survivability if you know how to conserve meds and when to shoot

[dense bone]

recon doesnt get a health perk, and managing health is a problem for every class

[shut cipher]

i never mentioned a health perk

[dense bone]

"if you are a good recon player you don't have to worry about heals
use the auto regen and save your bandages"

[solid hinge]

You only get one?

[dense bone]

sounds to me like you were referring to the assault perk

[shut cipher]

no

[dense bone]

auto regen only regains so much health

[shut cipher]

you get auto regen on every class to a certain extent

exactly

[dense bone]

imo, the moment i take dmg im healing

[shut cipher]

I do but not if I only have one med

[dense bone]

and my next action is getting more heals

[shut cipher]

on medic I do that

[dense bone]

i do it for every class

[brave wave]

@dense bone agreed

[shut cipher]

I use the auto regen, peek, heal after the next bullet I take

[dense bone]

you dont want to walk around less than full health, thats asking to get killed quickly

[brave wave]

After firefight, heal, take cover, reload

In quick succession

[shut cipher]

well then you should read my last comment

[dense bone]

i wouldnt trust to take only 1 more bullet

and it not being a hs too

[solid hinge]

What’s the best smg?

[dense bone]

depends what you are using it for

[brave wave]

Tommy?

[dense bone]

suomi best for hipfire

tommy is a more balanced suomi

sten is easy and accurate

[fluid cradle]

Suomi is my personal fav

[dense bone]

but has low skill ceiling

mp40 is my go to ADS

[fluid cradle]

^

[opaque cipher]

Try the ZK

[dense bone]

yea i hear zk is good, but i dont have CC to specc it

[shut cipher]

I like the sten and the MP34. that's about it

[solid hinge]

Combat medic or field medic

[fluid cradle]

Field imo

[shut cipher]

combat is way better if you actually use melee

[fluid cradle]

^

[dense bone]

field

[opaque cipher]

using melee

Yeah no

[shut cipher]

uSiNg mElEe

[dense bone]

melee is not recommended, and the other perk requires you to take dmg, usually never a good idea

[fluid cradle]

But if you wanna help out your team and get the most rev's play field

[shut cipher]

combat medic lets you run faster at critical health

[dense bone]

right, but with low ttk thats not very often

[fluid cradle]

^

[dense bone]

and as a medic, you usually just heal after taking dmg

soo...

how long are you gonna be critical for if youre a medic?

[solid hinge]

...

[soft storm]

bruh i think medic is the best class besides assault

[dense bone]

go field medic

[fluid cradle]

And you can run to downed teammates faster with field, way more useful to the team

[dense bone]

combat medic is a meme imo

[solid hinge]

Fucking third time in a round where I spawn on a tank and it gets destroyed

[soft storm]

assault can just bomb the shit out of people with PIAT and grenade rifles

[dense bone]

assault is the killing class

[opaque cipher]

@solid hinge by what

[dense bone]

and its kind overloaded for that aspect

[opaque cipher]

Honestly I like the new assault concept

[fluid cradle]

Assault having that much explosives is the reason why I don't take tanks

[soft storm]

Nah Assault is so godtier that the weapons you get are most consistent killers than a fully operational tank

[opaque cipher]

The old engineer has extreme range on the launchers

So PDWs aren’t all that great

[sonic rampart]

Just use your tank wisselt

Wisselt

Wiselyyyyy

[opaque cipher]

Now the range is gone and they can float between close to mid range

[dense bone]

nice

[soft storm]

You can get 6 almost guarenteed kills using the PIAT or rifle grenades

theyre insane

[sonic rampart]

Engineers :oooo

I miss the meme drones

I miss choppers more tho

[soft storm]

I miss choppers too

[solid hinge]

Remember when they where going to put the spotting pigeons on bf1

[sonic rampart]

[opaque cipher]

Everyone’s had their share of fun with choppers of Shanghai

[sonic rampart]

^

[dense bone]

never used choppers

[fluid cradle]

mfw I never gotten the chance to play BF4

[opaque cipher]

Neither

[soft storm]

Choppers on shanghai werent that great, i personally liked them more on flood zone

[sonic rampart]

[opaque cipher]

Much more a tank person

[solid hinge]

Never played bf4 either

[dense bone]

infantry always

[sonic rampart]

Choppers on that map with water and islands

With 2 ships with all vehicles on it

Where you could steal enemy choppers

Thats what im missing

[fluid cradle]

Ik It's way too early to be talking about the next BF, but I hope the next one will be modern

[soft storm]

Lol when dice thought engineers should give up their launcher for the AA mine

[shut cipher]

@fluid cradle bf4 is still worth buying in 2019. there is plenty of players

[sonic rampart]

Meh

[opaque cipher]

^

[fluid cradle]

What about console?

[opaque cipher]

Do pick it up

[sonic rampart]

I bought it again on my ps4

But had to start over..

[solid hinge]

Next bf would be bf1 VR optimized and slightly different

[opaque cipher]

Well this is why you buy it on PC

[sonic rampart]

But im too lazy

[shut cipher]

way more players on console @fluid cradle

[sonic rampart]

Operation locker 24:7

[shut cipher]

ps4 has the most active players for bf4 still

[sonic rampart]

24/7

[shut cipher]

pc has the least

[fluid cradle]

I'll pick it up on a sale, it always gets cheap asf on sale

[opaque cipher]

It’s already cheap af

[shut cipher]

it's only $20 tho lol

[sonic rampart]

I bought it for 8 euros with premium pass

[soft storm]

Is there even any dlc servers on BF4? or any running the modes for assignments?

[shut cipher]

barely @soft storm

[fluid cradle]

Ik, but on sale it goes below 10 bucks

[shut cipher]

it's mainly the base maps

[sonic rampart]

Even tho I bought the game for the full price on the ps3

[soft storm]

Exactly. you bought premium for nothing

[shut cipher]

it's not worth it to wait just for $10 savings

[soft storm]

So yeah, good luck getting the dlc weapons with no servers to get them on

[sonic rampart]

I got metro

Now

[shut cipher]

premium is worth it just for the knives imo

[fluid cradle]

Bf4 is easy to get into?

[shut cipher]

yes

also I just bought a server and grinded all dlc weapons with my friends @soft storm

cost $7 for a one week server

[soft storm]

lol so pay 7 dollars more for the stuff

[shut cipher]

you act like $7 is a lot to have my own custom server that I had tons of fun in with my friends once we finished getting those easy guns

[sonic rampart]

You need to grind so much in bf4

[fluid cradle]

Really?

[soft storm]

I mean, im just saying its kinda bs that in order to get the weapons you paid for you need to complete assignments in dead modes

[dense bone]

but this is years later...

[opaque cipher]

Tbh BF4 servers consist of hardcore, classic 1000 ticket, DLC 800 ticket and locker 2000 ticket

Also Shanghai

[shut cipher]

I turned it into a knife only server once we finished the dlc guns and it actually became pretty active so I extended the server by 3 months

this was summer 2018

[sonic rampart]

Is it down?

[shut cipher]

my server

or the game

[sonic rampart]

Server

[fluid cradle]

He only paid for a week

[soft storm]

he just said he extended it for 3 months

[fluid cradle]

Oh nvm

[soft storm]

that was about 6 months or so ago

[shut cipher]

I extended it for 3 months in august

yes it's down

[sonic rampart]

Rip

[dense bone]

then says summer 2018

[fluid cradle]

The grind in bf4 is atleast enjoyable?

[shut cipher]

yeah

[sonic rampart]

Hmm

[shut cipher]

it's a lot of fun

to me at least

[opaque cipher]

You can always matchmake with people on LFG discords

[sonic rampart]

I only miss obliteration

But guess what

[opaque cipher]

If you played BF3 you’ll settle into BF4 after a little practice

[sonic rampart]

No server does obliteration...

[shut cipher]

I might actually buy another server in that game this weekend. if I can max another class in bfv by then

[opaque cipher]

Two round burst is key

Or just buy a shortcut kit

[fluid cradle]

You play on pc?

[soft storm]

Oh yeah the shortcut kits i understand, theyre made for people who just wanna jump in

[shut cipher]

I'll start ranking up support today in bfv i think. only for the shotguns

[solid hinge]

I loved planes in bf1, and now they are total shit

[opaque cipher]

[shut cipher]

the shortcut kits and everything were on sale last summer

[opaque cipher]

Yes I love being op too @solid hinge

[sonic rampart]

I only need to max the medic lvl17 and support lvl5 class

[solid hinge]

?