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dense bone
crystal totem
lmao
stoic breach
They are meant to keep snipers in place, not kill them
dense bone
lol, so basically if mmg is looking at you at any range you think you should kill them without contest
...
proven pagoda
as of right now they don't even supress @stoic breach
dense bone
this is who im discussing this is
glad lichen
I shit my pants when I see a gunner hit prone whilst runner towards me.
azure lark
because of the limited scope options on the MMGs, Sniper should have a distinct advantage over them. But if you use the suppressed fire trait that spots suppressed enemies, just spray the area until you kill them when they peek.
glad lichen
running*
proven pagoda
You should not allow the sniper to shoot back, yes @dense bone
dense bone
fuck off if you want to shoot back, you don't get to
glad lichen
The issue is
crystal totem
you didnt read all of what i said
proven pagoda
That is what I said, yes
proven pagoda
Which is also what I said to do! remove glint!
dense bone
it sounds like im jeopardizing your play style and you dont want it to change imo
glad lichen
So arguing "that's how MGs are" is ridiculous
proven pagoda
it's almost like there's a method here!
dusky saffron
just add the golden scar to snipers and there we go
stoic breach
The MMG suppression-spotting is already nerfing snipers massively
dusky saffron
proven pagoda
@stoic breach Disagree
kind mirage
SaimoToday at 6:13 PM
is there any other youtuber that makes good bf content other than jackfrags
crystal totem
he doesnt want it to change because he knows its OP and he likes pub stomping everyone as a support main lol
glad lichen
Because Snipers don't carry flood flights
dusky saffron
@kind mirage stop watching jackfrags and not really
proven pagoda
@crystal totem And you don't want it to change because you're a recon plebbie
See how that works?
crystal totem
i haven't even played recon for like a week
proven pagoda
And I haven't played support in a week
dense bone
theres hardly no middle ground between smgs to recon, its basically smg at cqb, and then everything else is effective at range
proven pagoda
Your logic is ass
dense bone
which is bs
crystal totem
but thanks for calling me names bud, glad to see you're reasonable LOL
kind mirage
literally only one there is
proven pagoda
I didn't call you a name
glad lichen
Give MGs more recoil penalty for sustained fire, and reduce glint for recon.
crystal totem
plebbie isn't a name? ok
proven pagoda
It was to prove to you that your logic is ass
dusky saffron
Maybe look up the Westie guy or something
crystal totem
rofl
dusky saffron
idk
crystal totem
ok support main bud
dense bone
@proven pagoda link stats?
proven pagoda
I can't believe I gotta spell this out
azure lark
lol
glad lichen
Insane that have the same visibility on your enemy when they have iron sights and you have a 6x...
proven pagoda
I was mocking what you were saying
crystal totem
"i want machine guns to hold down entire maps if im looking and no one else can shoot or ill kill them instantly because my gun shoots 1200 RPM lazer beams and its NOT OP"
crystal totem
someones logic is ass around here but i don't think its mine lol
proven pagoda
Well it is sorry to say
dense bone
i dont play recon at range at all, and i can understand the reasons they are the weakest class atm
crystal totem
no one agrees with you, but ok
dense bone
and imo thats stupid logic
proven pagoda
but the thing is, the MMG is open to be shot at by 32 people
crystal totem
support shouldnt have 3x optics
proven pagoda
and he's broadcasting his location to shoot at you
crystal totem
thatwould solve the problem
crystal totem
rofl
dense bone
if they do get it, they should have glint
crystal totem
dear jesus
proven pagoda
Which is people's problem apparently
glad lichen
The issue is the MMG only shoots you because your spotlight gives you away. IMO
crystal totem
you really are brain dead
proven pagoda
Thanks, you 2
crystal totem
no wonder you're a support main lol
azure lark
you have to have the bipod out and stationary for the mmg to be effective. Headshot the mofo with your bolt action
proven pagoda
Haven't seen one from you either hotshot
azure lark
if you get him killed with the one bullet
dense bone
@azure lark to be effective at RECON range
glad lichen
1v1 me bro
proven pagoda
These people really want the weapon that forces you to be 100% stationery to be worse
dense bone
700+ rpm guns effective at recon range.. that sounds logica
stoic breach
You aren't supposed to counter-snipe with MMGs
dense bone
in a game where you can prone easily and not be seen
crystal totem
hes selectively trying to evade talking about the lewis gun
dense bone
why are you so defenseive about showing stats?
crystal totem
glad to see you're so well rounded in weapons of bfv to think you can argue with people about them here
proven pagoda
Why are you?
crystal totem
10/10
azure lark
Have you tried dolphin diving with the mg42? The delay between full prone and firing usually means you're dead
which I'm thankful for
azure lark
dolphin diving was a huge problem in bf2
solid hinge
All weapons in bf5 are bad
solid hinge
haha gottem
crystal totem
"don't nerf my class because its my class and nothing is wrong with it, git gud plebbies"
dense bone
because im effective at every fucking range
proven pagoda
You are playing the only class that needs a nerf
crystal totem
- turboclicker 2019
dense bone
support isnt 2nd most played class?
proven pagoda
That's literally everyone's argument here
None of you have anything other to say than that
solid hinge
nah prob sniper
dense bone
so where are your stats?
lol i have good stats on every class
i just started playing support
crystal totem
we're proposing ideas, you're just basically telling us we're wrong and to shut up lol
dense bone
and i dont play it like a bitch
dense bone
^^
crystal totem
because its your main class we're talking about being OP
and everyone agrees that it is
except you
rofl
dense bone
surprise, support main is defending support
im at least an assault saying my class needs a nerf
proven pagoda
Surprise, people who don't main support is trying to nerf support
dusky saffron
make buffs not nerfs
proven pagoda
big whoop
dense bone
but i dont recon at range either, so nerfing them doesnt benefit me
proven pagoda
MMGs require you to be 100% still and expose you to everyone to shoot back
crystal totem
how about this turboclicker
dense bone
im just saying assault and support are too effective at range
azure lark
Hardcore mode. Problem solved. No scope glare, headshots from all guns are 1 shot kill
dusky saffron
crystal totem
give me one good reason why any support weapons can enable a 3x optic
dense bone
theres a reason no in scared of recons
proven pagoda
@crystal totem Because it allows them to double down on the accuracy in sustained fire role
dense bone
but hey, lets keep things unbalanced as they are
proven pagoda
instead of being well rounded
azure lark
to be honest, the LMGs sometimes feel like they're shooting paint balls and not bullets
proven pagoda
The KE7 is the only support gun that probably needs a nerf currently
dense bone
but they shoot at high rpm and are accurate at range with typically lots of bullets in the mag
proven pagoda
and make you 100% stationary, yes
stoic breach
KE7 is outgunning smgs at close range
dense bone
i said the same thing yesterday, per bullet they are weak, but when youre able to shoot soo many so fast... that kinda negates that
crystal totem
lewis gun can hold 50 rounds and even unbipoded ADSed can take out recon at 3x range almost 100% of the time
thats ridiculous on multiple levels
crystal totem
no he wont
azure lark
yes, with the right specialization setup, you can paint a target with 4 or 5 bullets and get those kills
azure lark
negating the bullet damage
proven pagoda
dead support
dense bone
nah, i kill with lewis ads all the time at range
granted, im better than most players
proven pagoda
I wouldn't care much if they got rid of the 3x scopes on LMGs
but MMGs need to be left the fuck alone
dense bone
if skill level was the same, recon at range has a SLIGHT advantage, which is bs
"leave my babies alone"
stiff dune
Nah
azure lark
if you don't do the accuracy specializations for the lewis gun, the recoil is all over the place with 3x ADS and it's annoying af
proven pagoda
What the hell is support supposed to be good at then?
stoic breach
Recon will always die because of the suppression
proven pagoda
You're saying recon is supposed to be god emperor at long range
dense bone
SUPPORTING
proven pagoda
assault and medic will toast you up close
stiff dune
If u suppress a recon they can't hit u
dense bone
LOL what is support supposed to be good at? its in their name
azure lark
btw, it's lame that the ammo crate doesn't refill grenades
proven pagoda
Its the fucking class name
stoic breach
With team MMGs suppressing snipers on Hamada, I (as a counter sniper) could deal with them fairly well
proven pagoda
not the only role
azure lark
but I guess that limits grenade spam
dense bone
atm no, because they are effective at killing at all ranges
proven pagoda
^
dense bone
ironically, thats all they are good for
proven pagoda
Assault should be the only combat class
the other 3 should run around as their god damn waterboy and towel team
dense bone
"Scouts shouldnt be fucking killing people
They're SCOUTS" when scouts arent killing people...
stoic breach
Does the spotting tool have scope glint like the Trench scope did in BF1?
dusky saffron
nope
azure lark
remember the US support guy in Battlefield Vietnam? M60 and the Law rocket launcher
what a beast
stoic breach
Alright
proven pagoda
@dense bone Are you trying to say Scouts are scouts when they're not killing people?
stoic breach
Hm
dusky saffron
aka
you put your hand on your eye to cover it while you use the other for the scope, while in 3rd person it's just you holding it
dense bone
scouts arent killing people, i HARDLY die to scouts unless they are using slr up close
stoic breach
Playing scout with smoke grenades and SLR is pretty good
proven pagoda
Scouts kill people fine
dense bone
scouts are easily the least worried class
stoic breach
Yeah
proven pagoda
I played a match an hour ago where scouts were fucking my team up on Hamada or whatever the maps called
marsh fern
Just make scouts only be able to spot, medics only heal/revive, supports repair/build/ammo up and only let assaults be able to shoot 
dense bone
lol ive never seen a good scout
stiff dune
@dense bone depends on the game mode
azure lark
you're suggesting battlefield 1942 type stuff lol
stiff dune
@dense bone you play on Xbox? I'll show u a good scout
marble phoenix
ditto, @dense bone
stoic breach
I'm on xbox lol
stoic breach
KE7 everywhere
marble phoenix
good scout players rare
stoic breach
And STEN
dense bone
because scout is not an effective class
proven pagoda
I never thought we'd see the day where we were complaining Recon is the least used class
dense bone
because other classes do their role just fine
stoic breach
I would like to consider myself a decent scout on Xbox
dense bone
while being more well rounded
proven pagoda
BFBC2, BF3, BF4, and BF1 would all rejoice for days if they heard scout would become the least used
stiff dune
@marble phoenix squad up later? I'm trying to get gold for guns
primal sage
Guys, what if Medics didn't have infinite medical pouches, and they had to resupply at bandage crates or big ass medic boxes?
proven pagoda
Would only reinforce attrition more
dense bone
ive never been scared of scouts in any bf game
primal sage
Exactly.
dense bone
ever
primal sage
BUT.
bitter umbra
Scout is essential for spotting. I really like that part of the role.
proven pagoda
Which would be fine if it wasn't 32v32 meatgrinders on most non-conquest maps
stoic breach
Would also make people crowd resupply stations
dusky saffron
mm
primal sage
5 you can either give out or use on yourself.
azure lark
I used to play recon in bad company 2 with the M95, red dot, and the higher bullet damage in hardcore mode. That was fun as hell
dense bone
it just tell me something when i say to reduce effective ranges and someone gets super defensive about it and its their main...
dusky saffron
medic is really obnoxious since you can spam heal
azure lark
one shot kills as aggressive recon
dusky saffron
with no cd
primal sage
And lets remake the healing items.
proven pagoda
@dense bone Well usually when people say that it's about the MMGs
primal sage
Like bandage pouches should only resupply if the team mate doesn't need healing.
proven pagoda
which, the MMGs are perfectly fucking fine
primal sage
If he does, it only heals.
dense bone
well if you read anything i say ive said assault and support in general
proven pagoda
If you think the LMGs with 3x's are a problem then that's different
stoic breach
200% damage on River Somme in BF1 was fun
dense bone
multiple times
dusky saffron
mm
stoic breach
200% made the RSC SMG useful
proven pagoda
Almost nobody uses the MMGs, they just die to them
marble phoenix
@stiff dune you on PS4?
stiff dune
They need to up the damage model on snipers a center mass shot from a enfield should kill
dense bone
wtf?
solid hinge
god damn it reeeeee. Was about to play battlefield 5 for the first time but my drivers are 16 versions behind.
copper tulip
Are we getting a new map with new Tides of war ?
proven pagoda
Then you suck lol
pastel jolt
I don't think we're getting any new content ever. 😄
primal sage
A center of mass shot from miles away?
dense bone
thats cute
primal sage
That's realistic but op.
stiff dune
@marble phoenix nah Xbox 1
dense bone
when all my stats are like top 3%
proven pagoda
They're almost always in the same spots, 100% stationary, and are easily flanked
I don't care if you're the #1 player
dense bone
hate to think what 97% is
proven pagoda
If you're dying to MMGs a lot it's because you're doing something wrong
dense bone
because i run around the map and get shreded by a 1200rpm prone scrub?
stiff dune
@primal sage nah i mean with in 200 meters at least
dense bone
no time to react...
stoic breach
On Devastation, I had 3 enemy MMGs perched up in the cathedral fucking up my team
proven pagoda
SO don't run in the open?
stoic breach
We couldn't peak them at all
dense bone
dont go in the open
proven pagoda
Be aware of your surroundings?
stoic breach
No
proven pagoda
no
azure lark
Chances are good that the new Tides of War chapter will feature a new map.
dusky saffron
!roadmap
junior mistBOT
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dusky saffron
nope
stiff dune
@stoic breach that's what u need recon for
dense bone
you go into a new area, there are 3 corners to check, if i guess the wrong corner, im dead, thats how that gun works
dusky saffron
new map after
dense bone
dont try to act that since i die to THE prone shredding mg42 that it makes me bad
dense bone
because they dont reflect right
dusky saffron
No, rifles don't have sweet spots anymore
dense bone
they are tracking
stiff dune
We need sweet spots or increased center mass damage
stiff dune
We need sweet spots or increased center mass damage
proven pagoda
My suggestions and defendants are in a bundle
dense bone
its either top 100% or its showin right
stoic breach
Maybe if snipers did 90 dmg in extreme close range
proven pagoda
you can't take anything I say without considering the other things I've said
I said buff recon by removing scope glare but also don't fucking touch MMGs
dense bone
weird youre so defensive about it
proven pagoda
people only see one of those 2 suggestions and think that it will make the other unbalanced
Uh DUH
I play with MMGs
i know how they work
dense bone
so you agree, youre biased
proven pagoda
I know that they aren't OP currently
Everyone is biased you knob
Thats the point
primal sage
Wait.
dense bone
everyone is, sure, but to what degree
proven pagoda
To the same degree that I am, you are.
dense bone
im at least able to confirm my main needs a nerf
proven pagoda
primal sage
On the roadmap why does it say "Lighting Strikes", but in game, it says the next Campaign is "A Few Good Soldiers"?
dense bone
you get angry at the thought of it
proven pagoda
No
dusky saffron
idk lmao
proven pagoda
i get angry at the thought of people gutting MMGs
stoic breach
A few good soldiers is probably the name of that weekly challenge
dense bone
when all ive said is a range nerf...
stoic breach
But for COOP
proven pagoda
they GUT things
dense bone
not my fault
primal sage
Do not gut MMGs.
dense bone
and not what im suggesting
azure lark
btw, props to all you people who use the FG-42 Once i saw you couldn't extend the mag, I didn't touch it
proven pagoda
What do you suggest then?
primal sage
They are already difficult to work with.
little fjord
I think mmgs are in a good place
dense bone
dont take some out of context entity and apply it to me
proven pagoda
Answer then
primal sage
MMGs require you to put yourself out there and open to be shot when picking a place to bipod down.
stoic breach
MMG's can't have accuracy nerfs, they can get damage nerfs though
proven pagoda
what exactly do you want done
dense bone
id have to actually go through numbers to see what seems fair
primal sage
And when you're on the move, using an MMG is death.
dense bone
in general ads for rifles, semis, and lmgs need a decrease at least, mmgs bipoded need more recoil
proven pagoda
I will be fine with damage falloff
stoic breach
Like, the MG34 should keep accuracy, but have lower damage
azure lark
a smart mmg person will trail the squad or push and go prone setting up SUPPORT fire
😄
dense bone
is to reduce recoil, not eliminate it
proven pagoda
is to make it where you can fire accurately at the expense of movement
dense bone
thats fine...
proven pagoda
because that shit won't fly if you have to bipod
stoic breach
Cause they are meant to be suppressive you need the accuracy
azure lark
add in the fact that going prone in this game is almost 50/50 and having the bipod deployed is about the same rate
proven pagoda
yeah, because I know what you want
dense bone
right, i just said, add some recoil
proven pagoda
You want them to be shit against the other classes at range
dense bone
i dont want it to be a suomi bipoded
proven pagoda
and that just ain't happening
stoic breach
Bipod buff is gonna change the way people think about MMGs in the next update
dense bone
lol youre way to defensive about this to take seriously
azure lark
yeah, I can't wait. Though they said it will be in the update after this patch
dense bone
like i said, a 10% recoil increase to start
proven pagoda
recoil makes no sense
dense bone
10% sounds bad?
proven pagoda
do damage dropoff instead
proven pagoda
MG34 already isn't super accurate when you don't burst
dense bone
i just know that bipoded there is almost no recoil
proven pagoda
I haven't used the MG42 to know how it reacts
dense bone
and thats why they are effective
azure lark
MG42 burst fire is pretty accurate at long distances. But, you can't put long distance scopes on it
dense bone
im suggesting adding A LITTLE recoil, and you get all pissy acting like i want to turn it into a suomi while bipoded
strong parrot
You haven't used the wonderful mg42 yet?
dense bone
once again, outside entity
not what im suggesting
so stop getting all pissy towards me
little fjord
To be fair there is almost no recoil for all the guns in the game.... so a bipoded machine gun recoil might be correct relative to all the other guns
stoic breach
MG42 should keep ranged damage and be slightly less accurate on bipod
stoic breach
It adds a tapfire functionality
proven pagoda
You can't blanket nerf like Razen said anyway
dense bone
IF I was suggesting stupid balancing, sure get mad at me, but im not
strong parrot
Lol standing ribeye is hilariously accurate..
proven pagoda
You'd have to go through the guns and give targeted nerfs
MG34 isn't 100% accurate as is with bipod
dense bone
youre whole argument against me is that DICE will mess it up
you havent actually criticized my suggestions
proven pagoda
I am right now
You can't blanket nerf regardles
figure out which weapons are actualy the issue and target them
then figure out exactly what you could do to each weapon specifically
dense bone
well, when i consider they are almost all too accurate at range...
its a decent blanket term
proven pagoda
I disagre
dense bone
im not saying 100% all of them need a nerf
azure lark
all this talk makes me want to go play the game and melt people with the MG42
dense bone
all i know is that controlling recoil on anything other than smgs for the guns i have used it a breeze
dense bone
smg does
dense bone
thompson
proven pagoda
haven't used the thompson yet
azure lark
STG44 has some kick
dense bone
youre right thugh, the other smgs dont have much recoild, but are weak as shit
proven pagoda
If the beta STG44 is the same as full release
silk mist
Mg42 isn't really that accurate, it is just rof
proven pagoda
then it's also very easy
silk mist
Mg34 is way more accurate
dense bone
everything ive used it easy to use, and imo thats a problem
silk mist
People just think it is OP because it is a fan favourite weapon
dense bone
it goes from hard to control, straight to being able to challenge recons
and thats bs
theres no ramp up
stoic breach
I just realised an argument against blanket changes
little fjord
Yeah... all the guns are easy to use
proven pagoda
Again I'm never going to agree with you about recons and supp
dense bone
its like they think you SHOULDNT be able to ads, to everything should, but just change dmg modules
stoic breach
And alot of guns were too similar to others
little fjord
Some have recoil that makes using a 3x questionable.... But otherwise they are easy
Even with recoil they bounce right back to where you were aiming
proven pagoda
They definitely need to get rid of auto-reset
The gun should just fly off the screen if you don't control it
azure lark
lol
proven pagoda
Like Ox said a lot of guns just popcorn around a dot right now
stoic breach
Then you have a Halo 2 smg
proven pagoda
there should be some reset sure
stoic breach
If there was no auto-reset controllers would just be annoying to use
proven pagoda
no gun should just popcorn around a small area
dense bone
because right now 80% of guns are point and click at any range and be effective
stoic breach
That's how the guns were designed
azure lark
and I think that's why so many people feel the gunplay is tight and feels great in this game
at least that was the initial reviews
proven pagoda
the gunplay is great
dense bone
oh yea, something sure would feel great if every gun you use is easy to use
proven pagoda
this game is amazing to play
little fjord
Yeah I'm not sure what I would change tho
fading gyro
I’d say we’re probably going to see some assault range drop off
proven pagoda
fading gyro
Good, there’s too much m1 sniping going on
little fjord
I don't like dieing to invisible enemies... But on the other hand I have some good moments in bfv with the way things are
dense bone
semis are way too good
proven pagoda
i disagree
I think there's a good balance between assault's SLRs and ARs
however scout SLRs suck ass in comparison to assault SLRs
azure lark
oh dear, my most used gun is the m1a1 carbine. But that's because when I unlocked it and specialized it, I could rapid fire shots and take out people pretty easily. Then I discovered other guns 😛
fading gyro
@dense bone haven’t unlocked the 1-5 yet, I don’t play assault much—is that one a variable fire mode one?
dense bone
@fading gyro no, its semi only
stoic breach
Semis feel really similar
proven pagoda
Turner just feels like a Mondragon to me
stoic breach
Only the G43 feels like it's supposed to
dense bone
they are strong, shoot fasts, and easy as fuck to control
proven pagoda
M1A1 should be easy as fuck to control and shoot fast
dense bone
when im pusing almost 3kpm on semis, thats a problem
azure lark
Also, not fair that the mastery assignment forces me to continue using it 😛
proven pagoda
M1A1 just needs really bad dropoff
it should be a close range-medium range SLR only
it only shoots .30
dense bone
i think semis need a strong verticle recoil
fading gyro
I tend to prefer the AG, though I guess it’s basically a m1aq
dense bone
similar to slrs
fading gyro
M1A1*
proven pagoda
Definitely not the M1A1
azure lark
The AG has insanely low recoil but I go through 11 shots in no problem
proven pagoda
M1A1 is almost just a pistol with a stock
azure lark
I wish I could extend the mag on it
proven pagoda
that should be its thing
dense bone
but it hits hard...
stoic breach
AG is fun for me
proven pagoda
at close range it should
stoic breach
I really like it
proven pagoda
but not medium-long
dense bone
slr 2btk, m1a1 3btk
proven pagoda
if it doesnt hit hard up close you'll just lose to every medic and support gun
little fjord
Would increasing dropoff make snipers uncontested? That's what I worry about
proven pagoda
and every other assault gun
dense bone
at far ranged, snipers should be almost uncontested
proven pagoda
You're not going to get me to say MMGs should be beat by snipers
dense bone
but that just sounds ridiculous
proven pagoda
It's really simple
If the sniper is the first one to shoot the MMG will always lose, IE if you aren't the current target
stoic breach
Snipers should be uncontested
dense bone
i think its simple recon should have a higher chance of winning at range
proven pagoda
if the MMG already sees you and is shooting you should lose
dense bone
but they dont
stoic breach
At extreme range
dense bone
you can challenge them with basically everything
dense bone
id have to check in game distances, but i know im challenging recons at ranges further than 150m
proven pagoda
If you're close enough to where I can pick you out with iron sights with a MG34 you should just either be suppressed into cover or die
dense bone
easily
proven pagoda
If it were up to me recons would not be able to accurately fire back while being hit with 7.92 MG34 fire
and I mean hit by it
fading gyro
Depends, mg42? It’s 50/50. Lewis? You’ll probably win with the 3x
proven pagoda
I often get killed by recons when they only need 1-2 more shots to kill MID burst
dense bone
all i know, is that ive never been scared about any sniper, thats a problem for snipers
fading gyro
You also seem to think you can just prone and M1
How much time have you put into MMGs?
dense bone
me?
fading gyro
How many gilded?
proven pagoda
A lot respective to my playtime total
fading gyro
@proven pagoda
proven pagoda
I don't claim to be an expert.
fading gyro
Respective is irrelevant. You don’t appear to have enough time in on them to really have a valid opinion yet.
Especially with all the mg34 references
proven pagoda
No such thing as valid opinions
😉
You can disregard my opinion because you think I'm too inexperienced but that doesn't stop me from having a valid opinion
azure lark
who wants to volunteer standing still while I'm in an objective area so I can headshot kill you with the carbine twenty times in a round
fading gyro
Ah, troll. Ok nvm lol
proven pagoda
There's a difference there.
sonic rampart
Recon bc has to shoot headshots
proven pagoda
troll? right.
sonic rampart
Or be Lucky that someone is low health
proven pagoda
back to lurking for you I guess
fading gyro
Localmute. 😃
proven pagoda
Great!
sonic rampart
But mostly when im a recon my kills get stolen all the time after I dont headshot a player
proven pagoda
Maybe it'll help you get over your self esteem issues @fading gyro
dusky saffron
proven pagoda
Muppet
proven pagoda
Not how that works
dense bone
Because you said?
proven pagoda
There has never been such thing as a "invalid" or "valid" opinion
that's not how fucking opinions work
sonic rampart
^
proven pagoda
You CAN disregard someones opinion for them being inexperienced
that doesn't fucking invalidate their opinion
dusky saffron
or prove them wrong to make a point
proven pagoda
exactly
fading gyro
The dork is either being intentionally disingenuous or is just dumb. Either way, nothing of value is lost in the block. 😃
dense bone
I mean, I'm going to value a pros opinion more than a casual
dense bone
Stop responding to them?
proven pagoda
That's fine @dense bone
dense bone
Just makes you look bad too imo
proven pagoda
The point is the pro's opinion didn't invalidate the casual's opinion
What you agree with doesn't invalidate
In every community you got those dumbasses who think their playtime or stats make them god emperor of the game
stoic breach
This is a pretty pointless argument, it got nice and now it's gone back down to nothing
proven pagoda
and that if you disagree it's just a "casual talking above their rank"
dense bone
It's basically if a casual has an opinion, it's less likely they are valid
proven pagoda
Exc ept
as previously mentioned
that literally doesn't exist
it's an opinion
there is no way to invalidate it
or validate it
do you think just because someone is more involved with politics that their vote gets anything more than a +1 for their candidate?
its the same shit
dense bone
you can back opinions with data and facts
dense bone
which would mean they are more valid
proven pagoda
an opinion can be wrong or right, yes
dense bone
a casual saying the ke7 is op doesnt make it valid
proven pagoda
but not every opinion is a matter of right or wrong
dense bone
never said that
proven pagoda
most are based on subjectivity
dense bone
only thing i said was that i value one opinion over another
little fjord
😆
proven pagoda
And I said that was fine about 4 times now
Just that it doesn't make the other person's opinion "invalid"
dense bone
right, and then you give more examples
fading gyro
Lol, engaging with someone that doesn’t look up the definition of “valid” isn’t going to go anywhere smart
dense bone
thats the problem
little fjord
dusky saffron
dense bone
you keep saying that, after i keep saying im not calling anything invalid
proven pagoda
Let's drop it, like we should do every fucking argument here
dense bone
arguments are fine as long as they are kept civil
proven pagoda
I don't think I've ever seen anything productive happen here
dense bone
technically nothing will ever be productive here
this chat is solely for us
you could literally propose exact steps to make this game perfect and it means nothing
granted perfect is not the same to everyone, you get the idea
little fjord
Share ideas and information
stoic breach
It's interesting to have conversations here
dense bone
my perfect game would not allow camping at all, or afk kills (like ap mines or prone camping)
stoic breach
My perfect game would see every weapon play completely differently to one another
little fjord
🤔
dense bone
but at the same time, i like having campers to vary the challenges for me
@stoic breach youd love insomniac games
nothing in resistance was the same
solid hinge
whats better
dense bone
but they were all balanced
solid hinge
RFB or M39
dusky saffron
:>
dense bone
ive only heard the bayonet yell like 5 times
dense bone
you have trusted, cant you just post it straight up?
dusky saffron
nah because pow will bully me
dense bone
?
dusky saffron
and say I should post in streams and videos
dense bone
weird, i would think posts related to bf can be put here
i mean, they dont shun links
so why shun trusted posts that are on topic?
dusky saffron
🙃
dusky saffron
uh
dense bone
i think thats it
dusky saffron
it comes in retroactively ig
because I've accumulated
like maybe 2k over the past two days
I'm at 15k atm
proven pagoda
End of round you get some I believe
dense bone
im at 400...
dusky saffron
dense bone
and im trying a bunch of new guns and dont have cc to spec them
proven pagoda
See the issue here is that I can't upgrade 1/2 my vehicles and guns
because it's such a slow accumulation
dense bone
i was dumb and spent my 1-50 cc on weapon skins thinking they fixed the cc gain at 50
azure lark
when I bought the game, I scoured the subreddit and saw all the posts about company coin and level 50. This allowed me to not purchase cosmetics and focus on weapon upgrades. I don't use vehicles anyways. I have 40K CC lol
solid hinge
why don't you use vehicles
playing weapons used by opfor helps you to learn their weaknesses
azure lark
they only spawn at main base, they're slow, and I want action all the time
I'm a good gunner
solid hinge
ever played Hamada?
azure lark
not a good tanker
stoic breach
Do you still get cC
solid hinge
one spawn point is at D
stoic breach
Cause someone here said they still get the 1000cC
sonic rampart
Huh I have like 100k cc, I get 1k cc every match?
stoic breach
What system
sonic rampart
jk lol
green elm
dense bone
vehicles just arent my thing
pastel jolt
I like tanks. 😄
sonic rampart
What if dice adds dance moves in firestorm 
sonic rampart
How do you do that lmao
solid hinge
What if you wanted to go to heaven
hot shadow
@storm wedge !
solid hinge
But god said
hot shadow
I know you 😂
storm wedge
Yo
solid hinge
Return to the combat area
hot shadow
Totally interupting
soft storm
Hey the big giveaway ends in 14 mins
sonic rampart
Ich bin ein deserteur
solid hinge
@soft storm 0w0?
hot shadow
Playing BFV of course
hot shadow
Yeah I pre-ordered it 😃 I quite like it
storm wedge
I see
sonic rampart
How big will the firestorm map be?
hot shadow
More than 2
solid hinge
Its gonna be big 😏
sonic rampart
Im guessing like 4 ‘conquest’ maps
solid hinge
4 Sinai deserts 0w0
sonic rampart
Hmm idk
little fjord
@dusky saffron watched it in slomo.... for dramatic effect 👍
dusky saffron
👌
I have an actual kill compilation
posted in general
but those were awful fails
sonic rampart
9 conquest maps?
little fjord
I was in cover and he came around the corner charging and I died instantly... it was actually good use of bayonet
sonic rampart
I bayonet charged someone through a wall by accident
dusky saffron
primal sage
Don't you just hate when your team builds fortifications that benefit the enemy more than your own team?
dense bone
^
sonic rampart
^
dense bone
people are brain dead
primal sage
Yeah nice job on that barbed wire fence. Now answer me this...how are we supposed to get through it?
sonic rampart
primal sage
Like me.
I blew the bridges in Rotterdam on defense breakthrough.
So the enemy couldn't move their tanks in effectively.
I even blew the next two preemptively.
What does me team do?
dense bone
rebuilds!
sonic rampart
Lol
dusky saffron
BUILD THE BRIDGES
primal sage
BUILDS A REPLACEMENT BRIDGE.
dusky saffron
primal sage
YOU BLITHERING IDIOTS! I BLEW THOSE BRIDGES FOR A REASON.
dense bone
its very concerning the standard bf player
dusky saffron
sorry this game is for big brain players only, like bayonet players
dense bone
i always say, i dont think im that good, just most people are idiots
sonic rampart
^
dense bone
and that fine, you might not play games to optimize and work towards winning
if you want to be brain dead and have fun
good for you
but as someone that tries, its just a weird spot to be in
like, it hurts my head to watch other players
primal sage
When you sneak behind enemy lines and should get easy kills but your squad of randos refuses to spawn on you.
sonic rampart
Im sometimes like wtf dude, are you just re.. or trolling
primal sage
EVEN WHEN YOU'RE THE LAST MAN ALIVE!
marble spade
Grats to the winners of the giveaway!
dense bone
...
i HATE when teamates shoot at a group of players im sneaking up on
and they dont even have a chance of killing them
they are turning the corner or something
sonic rampart
I hate it when I parkoured up somewhere very sneaky
dense bone
they just poke them to let them know we are coming behind them
sonic rampart
And i can kill a lot of players
But my team spawns on me and just litterly jump down in front of the enemy
So I just get spotted lmao
primal sage
When I spawn on a team mate who's trying to be sneaky, I at least put distance between him and me before I start shooting.
That way I basically "protect my spawn beacon."
dense bone
ooooo
sonic rampart
^
dense bone
spawn beacons
i hate when i have a good spawn beacon
and my teammates fight around it
sonic rampart
^
dense bone
we have a golden spawn beacon, you just have to not give it away
sonic rampart
But sometimes my spawn beacon randomly gets destroyed
sonic rampart
Is there a timer on those things
primal sage
Yes? Then what do you expect me to do?
primal sage
Is it a forward spawn beacon just a stone's throw from the objective?
Then I will go forward.
sonic rampart
Its above the objective
dense bone
i usually put them like 20 seconds out of an obj
dense bone
like if im on german side ill put the spawn beacon on the edge of F
like outside the courtyard down the road behind a dip
sonic rampart
Which map?
sonic rampart
In Rotterdam I always parkour up the metro
dense bone
but that also means my teammates spawn, see its a good spot, and shoot from it
sonic rampart
^
sonic rampart
do more people know how to get above the metro in Rotterdam? Or is it rare
dense bone
3 ways in, i can hear you, ads at entrances, 2 tap, youre dead, next
above metro in rotterdam?
sonic rampart
Like on top of the metro
storm wedge
it is
solid hinge
tbh fjell was my most hated map but now it’s panzerstorm
ever since the assault mastery 2 I’ve hated that shit
dense bone
ive learned to just play 2 points between those two maps
c and d for panzer, and c and e for fjell
solid hinge
Yeah
dense bone
rarely will i play outside of those points
primal sage
I know how to get to the metro bridge from E easily.
Wall build then bridge build.
It's also worth mentioning Fortifications change depending on game mode.
solid hinge
fortifications are nice on fjell
primal sage
Like Airborne has a shit load of fortifications in the alleyway near A site during Airborne and Conquest, but have NONE during Breakthrough.
solid hinge
I see people build them the least on that map, but they're actually genuinely useful
dusky saffron
on C and E they're p useful
and they still up longer
building them on D and B is a hassle
😦
solid hinge
@sonic rampart I don't think there's a timer on beacons, but there seems to be a spawn limit on them
When I spawn on other people's beacons they have a health bar above them
d and b are the best places for them!
primal sage
Yeah...it always changes though.
solid hinge
They're the BEST
dusky saffron
no u
solid hinge
I wish people didn't build the fortifications that assist the enemy though
dense bone
what map?
dense bone
d is ok
primal sage
Which is odd.
dense bone
b is horrible
primal sage
Considering C should be bombed more.
dusky saffron
B is the big suck
solid hinge
Like if your spawn is facing a point then don't build fortifications facing your spawn
solid hinge
that should be common sense but i see people building barbed wire in front of their own teammates
dense bone
b and a have too much high ground around them
primal sage
Heard another screaming line.
dense bone
snow crater
can i make a private game to 1v1 my friends or do i need to use the shooting range
primal sage
"THEY'RE EVERYWHERE! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!"
snow crater
how do i 1v1 my friends in practice ranges
how do i make it so we can kill each other
primal sage
I don't think you can.
snow crater
what
primal sage
I SAID I DON'T THINK YOU CAN.
sonic rampart
You can let him step in your car
Than drive out of the map
Lol
return to combat zone
azure lark
thank god, finally got the M1A1 Carbine gold. Turns out, defending on breakthrough is a great game mode to get headshot kills while in objective areas
dense bone
hmmmm
azure lark
didn't accomplish twenty in a round. Just grinded and got 5-6 per game.
dense bone
interesting
sonic rampart
I just dont like it how you have to get headshots in a life while prone, ill rather walk instead
azure lark
also, the tracker didn't tell me I accomplished the task in game. It kept starting at 0. After a few games, I quit and went back to main menu and there it was in the armory.
cheat and crouch. Crouch kills count as prone
sonic rampart
Crouch kills count sometimes as prone..
For me atleast
Sometimes they dont count for some weird reason
azure lark
I'm so happy there's a hidden tracker total amount for these objectives. I'd never get twenty headshot skills in a round in objective areas with that damn carbine
I'm free to roam the map again
sonic rampart
Lol
KiLl 20 eNeMiEs In A rOuNd WiTh A bAyOnEt To GeT tHe GoLdEn BaYoNeT
That would be a fun assignment
Imagine people bayonet charging the whole game long
storm wedge
sTaB 20 eNeMiEs WiTh A bIpOd To GeT a BiPoD kNiFe
scenic beacon
URAAAAAA
sonic rampart
Is that even possible?
storm wedge
No
sonic rampart
Aww
storm wedge
Not yet anyway
sonic rampart
Would be fun to stab people with a bipod
sonic rampart
storm wedge
fix game first
sonic rampart
True
storm wedge
Anyway whos cool here
sonic rampart
Are they back from their holidays yet?
sonic rampart
Lmao I wonder what they did today lol
storm wedge
Find a "99 problems" list taped onto their door
sonic rampart
dense bone
read reddit and reconsider their career choice
realize they make a game technically way beyond cod and yet they dont get the sales
storm wedge
I mean they started marketing the actual game footage after the game released
what did they expect
dense bone
try to understand why people compare the performance of their massive complicated game vs something straight forward like cod
sonic rampart
True
dense bone
i feel bad for dice
solid hinge
The game will be something amazing in the next 7 months.
sonic rampart
It has some potential
storm wedge
But thats not a luxury we get these days
solid hinge
Complain more and see how much good you’ll do.
dense bone
its like they are painting the mona lisa but people complain about minor imperfections, while cod games are not nearly as technical, but they dont have problems and people love cod
solid hinge
🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
sonic rampart
But like Dice, just make it quick
storm wedge
why'd you add "♀️"