DELETE AA
#battlefield-legacy-titles
serene patrol
proper sundial
The funny thing is that I got the 7,400 credits towards the chapter points too 
yet it didn’t count it
snow sleet
serene patrol
LUL AA is way too good
dense bone
sooo... model 8 and 1906 are ok, they are definitely outshined by semis though
outer ingot
turn off cloud saves and delete your settings file
charred heron
AA is trash, especially against bombers
dense bone
i basically use slr till i start losing or not doing good, swicth, then stomp
serene patrol
which AA? AA tears through my bomber now
charred heron
Full Barrage as Support and half of the hits don't count
tribal cairn
G43 Is a beast
proven pagoda
@charred heron AA in this is great
serene patrol
we're back to the BF4 AA shit
proven pagoda
^
serene patrol
fuck mobile AA
charred heron
Well, i really hate the sluggish britbong AA
proven pagoda
but the regular flak emplacements eat your ass too
charred heron
Tho it's useful against legged planes
tribal cairn
Mobile AA was an ass to fight as a chopper
serene patrol
even worse. People hate artillery trucks because campers. They should hate AA because campers
proven pagoda
idc about campers
charred heron
Flakvierling shreds planes, but has a hard time against everything else
proven pagoda
people need to get over that
tribal cairn
Camping on a point in it's defense? Justfied
Sniping and camping?
Justified
Sitting in a useless corner in a random alleyway and camping for kills?
charred heron
Oh no, someone in a Flakpanzer is actually doing his job so i can't farm easy bomber kills
outer ingot
if your team has some actual awareness campers aren't a problem
charred heron
tribal cairn
No
serene patrol
sitting in the middle of nowhere with an AA tank contributing nothing
clear wave
artillery trucks are horrible
outer ingot
nobody
orchid cloud
Fuck
outer ingot
we just read the books
clear wave
nothing is worse than arties
serene patrol
PC is just noobs LUL
charred heron
Artillery trucks were the personification of everything wrong with the heavy shells in BF1
tribal cairn
cough Console Master race cough
proven pagoda
@orchid cloud I
orchid cloud
Specs?
serene patrol
controllers are better than keyboard/m confirmed
proven pagoda
Ryzen R5 1600, GTX 1060 3gb
outer ingot
Colecovision master race
tribal cairn
Exactly
proven pagoda
16gb of 3000MHz
orchid cloud
I have a 1070 and a 2550k and it lag drops to 30fps in fights on low latency
orchid cloud
I know but fuckkk
serene patrol
^
outer ingot
yea
serene patrol
Buy a nice i7
charred heron
But meh, everyone on their own
outer ingot
shes old
orchid cloud
It ran fine on the beta and bf1
proven pagoda
most games that 2550k would be fine
orchid cloud
Yeqh
proven pagoda
but battlefield is a different beast
orchid cloud
It's not a bad CPU
proven pagoda
for sure
orchid cloud
I have it occ to 4ghz
proven pagoda
battlefield just demands 8 threads
orchid cloud
I didn't know that
proven pagoda
you have 4 threads rn
fair citrus
🛠 Saw some video of BF5. Gameplay needs rework. Looks way too easy.
serene patrol
@fair citrus It's just Assault/Recon that's easy
proven pagoda
What i5?> @charred heron
fair citrus
@serene patrol I mean where's the challenge when there isn't even any recoil?
proven pagoda
6600k?
charred heron
fair citrus
For the first time ever I will say this: DICE PLS
proven pagoda
so yeah you're on 4 threads as well
maybe you and him can figure something out if you're running alright
charred heron
But i get my 144 fps on Ultra
outer ingot
lol hasn't even played the game
orchid cloud
FUCK
Yway
I guess I need an upgrade
This CPU smacks every other game I throw at it
Wen you spend $300+ just so you can play battlefield at a consistent framerate
F
charred heron
I have an old 3rd Gen i7 around
proven pagoda
You should try upping the graphics
proven pagoda
Your GPU is gonna have a lot easier time than the CPU
serene patrol
LUL VR
proven pagoda
so lowering the graphics just puts more strain on the CPU to work faster
Just try playing on high settings across the board
outer ingot
vr is great, the games are just bad
orchid cloud
Uhhhh
charred heron
proven pagoda
yeah up it to high
proven pagoda
if you have a worse CPU than GPU you want to run higher settings
charred heron
Anyways, can you guys go to #technology
proven pagoda
It's battlefield related @charred heron
proven pagoda
so do it
orchid cloud
Literally 4ghz on four cores this should be fine. Fucking bullshit. I swear to God they need to optimize games more and we wouldn't be suffering from a consumer standpoint.
proven pagoda
uhh
wild nymph
bfv has too much bugs 😦
orchid cloud
That's not how optimization works bro
orchid cloud
Like shit
charred heron
In comparison to Titanfall 2 and the 2 latest CoDs and most other recent games it's very well optimized
proven pagoda
Bo3 doesnt use 8-12 threads
proven pagoda
he meant 4
charred heron
Ik
proven pagoda
it's got 4 threads
outer ingot
its little
proven pagoda
thats what is wrong
orchid cloud
I'm gonna need to get a new one just to play this damn ass game
Oh well better upgrade then never
proven pagoda
definitely not
outer ingot
go buy a ps4
proven pagoda
8th or 9th is the only thing you should buy besides Ryzen
orchid cloud
I'd rather shoot myself @outer ingot
outer ingot
you can do both
spiral prism
@orchid cloud 4c @4ghz is pretty slow
and I would recommend upgrading to Rzyen when Zen 2 launches
zealous void
orchid cloud
Rip
orchid cloud
This is what happens when I get out of hardware for like a year
orchid cloud
A year ago I was working at microcenter and I was on top of everything
I didn't even know there was a Zen 2
More you know
BIG F
Dude a quad core used to be enough F
proven pagoda
@orchid cloud Get 8th or 9th gen Intel or wait for Zen2
charred heron
Zen 2: Electric Boogaloo
orchid cloud
Hmm
proven pagoda
yeah and a single core with 200Mhz clock was enough in 1992
orchid cloud
Idk how I feel going red
proven pagoda
it's a processor
you aren't going to feel anything
besides paying less money at this point
orchid cloud
I'm probably gonna get a i770k because I think my buddy might have a board I can steal from him
proven pagoda
buy used then
orchid cloud
Uh, amd has always fucked with me
proven pagoda
assuming you meant 7700k
orchid cloud
Yeah sorry
outer ingot
get a job or buy a ps4
proven pagoda
100% buy used if you're buying 7th gen
orchid cloud
Yeah I mean
proven pagoda
the price of the older CPUs is the exact same as it ever was
orchid cloud
Buying brand new parts is dummy
proven pagoda
so you're paying full price for an old chip
orchid cloud
Nah I can totally get better prices local
amber notch
@charred heron
orchid cloud
Dw
proven pagoda
I'm glad you can
orchid cloud
I have like a bunch of hardware connections here
proven pagoda
I definitely can't
orchid cloud
Yeah, it helps to work in PC building for all of highschool
Also I have a job, fuck off @outer ingot lol, I'm just a college student so I can't go around buying brand new
charred heron
@amber notch Trigger finger, what is recoil
outer ingot
should probably just cut your losses and study instead
orchid cloud
Lol what a master troll
You're like if a normal discord troll took a Xanax, you're too lazy bruh.
spiral prism
@orchid cloud Don't buy a 7700k
orchid cloud
Why not my man
spiral prism
Runs fucking hot and performance is meh
proven pagoda
7700k is definitely a great processor
orchid cloud
What do you suggest
proven pagoda
the problem is it's 4c/8t
spiral prism
Zen 2 in a few months
amber notch
ok
proven pagoda
some more than others...
orchid cloud
You guys lmao
spiral prism
Uh yeah no, the 7700k is crazy hot
proven pagoda
so is all of Intel
spiral prism
Nah
proven pagoda
regardless you'd be fine on a $40-50 air cooler
spiral prism
9th gen is fine at stock settings
orchid cloud
I have a nice cooler dw
orchid cloud
Coolers aren't an issue
amber notch
orchid cloud
If anything I'll water cool it
amber notch
Please take this convo to tech
proven pagoda
alright guys POW wants to talka bout the new gun
orchid cloud
I have several aios lying around
charred heron
POW, the new gun seems OP
Did they rip it from Titanfall or something?
Because holy dann, i didn't really see any recoil
pulsar summit
finally got through the first tow challenge, figured out the problem
amber notch
new gun is nasty good
sleek verge
Whats the new gun?
charred heron
"We just take good guns and end up with a better one"
@sleek verge G43 on steroids
proven pagoda
Yeah dice really needs to stop making the base game guns bad in comparison to newer stuff
like who cares if a new gun is niche
to me that makes it more fun
charred heron
Powercreep
Why bother unlocking new guns when the old ones are equally good?
You somehow have to motivate little Kevin
Tho for me the new MMG will never top the MG42 for me, so meh
The Rib is awfully good for what it is, tho the horizontal recoil can be tricky
The Drilling is still the top Shotgun
And will prolly stay on that place for a long time
charred heron
What we need are better AA positions and better hit detection with it
jovial forge
I prefer the m97 👌
dusky saffron
they don't suck lmao
jovial forge
Having to do two separate reloads is annoying
charred heron
All you need is the MG42 and the 1200rpm tree
proven pagoda
they definitely do
charred heron
proven pagoda
like 100% suck
jovial forge
Base m97vgets work done when in its effective range
proven pagoda
which means they're by default bad because weapons overall are better in this game
tribal ledge
"Shotguns need buffing"
lol
That's a good one
What's next? The KE7 needs to be buffed too?
amber notch
ke7 needs a buff
fathom pebble
ke7 needs a buff
proven pagoda
dusky saffron
Ke7 needs a buff
proven pagoda
when people think shotguns are good
fathom pebble
when you shotgun and the pellets reach 10m they literally stop exist
proven pagoda
^
fathom pebble
like they disappear in space and time
proven pagoda
besides that they are stupid inconsistent
fathom pebble
thought slugs were actually decent
or as good as the slug from the double barrel
they're veyr underwhelming
sleek verge
Just stop living in aus @amber notch
fathom pebble
you dont tell POW to stop live upside down
he'll make sure you start live upside down
midnight nimbus
KE7 unironically could use a tiny hrec buff
strong parrot
i have literally just lost my will to live with the team i was just on
this is why GO sucks you are stuck with a potential shit team for 3 fucking matches
just had the most deaths ever too...48, but i was carried over from the previous match too, narvik-> fjell GO 
gotta love trying to engage or close the gap on people on fjell using a fucking thompson because your team just camps..while the enemy has 4 flags 
nice and i get the infinite loading bug after i try and quit 👌 perfect end to that match
dusk ingot
lol Bmac
There's no way they could've been worse than the team I was on yesterday.
We got dominated, they only lost 70 tickets.
untold forge
anyone else having infinite loading screens in grand operations (bfv)
dusk ingot
It was rough.
strong parrot
we won by 5 points too...and theres no way we had the right to do that
burnt obsidian
can someone explain grand operations to me i dont understand how winning the first 2 parts still got us the loss
burnt obsidian
Well i thought we did
but we lost the last one bc
\we didnt cap?
defending side
dusk ingot
Nice dude.
sleek tartan
😎
dusk ingot
What class do you play?
dusk ingot
burnt obsidian
tank? there's like 1 tank per match
sleek tartan
only infantry
last acorn
fat yikes
spiral prism
win rate means shit with Christmas noobs
last acorn
spiral prism
You can get a match that you have literally zero chance to win
sleek verge
Bfv is at 47%
spiral prism
lol no
dusk ingot
Doesn't matter Predator.
dusk ingot
Everyone plays with different objectives .
spiral prism
but that would be with an attack helicopter
blissful owl
BO4 plays better
burnt obsidian
BO4 is another game
spiral prism
The point of the game is to win the match, not have a high KD
Its when people play objective based modes like TDM so they can have a nice KD
PS4 hasn't been cracked
or XB1 IIRC
spiral prism
BF1 had like none at launch
burnt obsidian
then only 1 is viable
spiral prism
I mean BF1 is still kinda the same way 
burnt obsidian
i played BF1 beta, i remember when weapons were DLC
spiral prism
Bunch of variants with only a few viable ones
dusk ingot
4 weapons in what?
burnt obsidian
battlefield V
strong parrot
more weps are coming..
dusk ingot
I don't think so.
Reliable sure but definitely requires certain situations on some weapons .
sleek tartan
@spiral prism no offense but you got it all wrong
spiral prism
At launch there were very few weapons
dusk ingot
Why don't we have a BabyRage emote here .
sleek tartan
objectives are an excuse to make you go to somewhere relevant on the map and kill each other
simple jolt
dusk ingot
Fighting like children
last acorn
I've had a lot of fun lately sniping
burnt obsidian
team deathmatch
blissful owl
Not a big fan of the way this game is going right now
spiral prism
objectives are still the point of the mode
dusk ingot
@last acorn , Me too. Super satisfying headshots too.
burnt obsidian
sniping is fun
sleek tartan
like... the point of the game is killing and dying. It's an fps
not a base capture simulator 😛
ofc winning matters
burnt obsidian
@sleek tartan no
sleek tartan
but some people lost it regarding "PTFO"
Also, just a tip... if you are just "ptfo" and dying way too much on the process, step back, and look at a way to die less.
You will be more useful than dying
spiral prism
You can PTFO without dying a lot, generally people who brag about their KD are not near objectives and disappear when they feel threaten
burnt obsidian
WHAT IS PTFO
spiral prism
play the fucking objective
amber notch
^
burnt obsidian
oh so its like RTFM
spiral prism
I mean lots of people join conquest and don't realize that its not TDM
So they go kinda hand in hand
burnt obsidian
i wish we could climb more stuff
sleek tartan
Like, to be honest, I understand your point. But people who are the opposite also exist
burnt obsidian
too much of it is blocked off
sleek tartan
people that join matches and carry the shit out of them
and have an insane kd on the process
so don't be so sure about saying that someone is the first and not the later
spiral prism
Generally isn't possible in BFV to carry a team anymore
sleek tartan
Generally is a key word
ruby yacht
I need people to play with
spiral prism
The people who did that in past battlefields used vehicles
spiral prism
spiral prism
and while you had people who were gods at infantry, they still required their teams to follow them around as medics and supports
burnt obsidian
im quite suure ive seen my matches stop at 30 while the other is counting down from 260
once it hits about 160ish we lose more
sleek tartan
That is only possible if they have all flags
spiral prism
Generally the people with high KDs are never 10s from a medic or a teammates to rez them
Especially in BFV were your squad can rez you
sleek tartan
otherwise the tickets bleed at a given rate
dependant on flags
also kills in some mods
spiral prism
Dice should go back to the old conquest style
analog mist
spiral prism
yeah the matches didn't end within 5 points of each other like in BF1 sometimes
but it was a lot less confusing and annoying
sleek tartan
@spiral prism even if revives didnt' exist in the game and i added everytime I got revived i would still do a kd of 5
and obviously doing that is both smart and you are intended to do it
(running close to your medics)
In other bfs where the medics were the most op class you didnt even need them btw
specially on the ones where you could swap classes (pretty much all)
don't really get the idea of people who complain about using the medics as intended tho
dusk ingot
Whats your weapon of choice Hormiga?
sleek tartan
I always think every weapon suits better each situation
I swap depending on the map a lot
but if I had to just pick one...
dusk ingot
Fine, most used weapon
sleek tartan
the STG
dusk ingot
Ah okay. I'm liking the STG
sleek tartan
But to be honest like all jack of all trades it doesnt excell at anything
the only good stuff is that you are really really good you can pretty much spray on the heads of enemies
strong parrot
you gunna go dump your bucket now?
serene patrol
BFV crashes when I turn on my gamepad........sheesh so racist against controllers
sullen mist
Is the Swedish Semi auto good? I know it's only been a few hours but I must know
Looks kinda similar to the G43
midnight nimbus
it's good if you get tons of headshots
high glen
how do i unlock the weapons in BF1 that are from buying BFV? im on PC
sleek tartan
is the new weapon good?
is it similar to the M1A1 or to the Gewer?
does it have extended mags?
😂
sleek tartan
Totally must know
specially when the assignments involve going into grand ops
aka the biggest crap in the world
dusk ingot
@high glen , I think it's only for preordering?
sleek tartan
@dusk ingot no you got them with the deluxe version and also the preorder
you needed both
no way to get them now
pale spade
Jesus christ BFV is unplayable with all these Christmas kids
compact oxide
Alternatively you could just not do the tides of war and buy the guns for CC after they get released there
pale spade
Everyone is just pushing the middle and doing nothing else
high glen
it's listed on origin that they're currently available to the deluxe & standard editions
compact oxide
Classic EA
quasi aspen
is BFV friendly to newbies who never played BF franchise? Wanted to buy but I afraid I will end up not playing and wasted money
midnight nimbus
@sleek tartan basically a smaller mag M1 Carbine with unlimited HS+HS and 4BTK to the body
compact oxide
Na they were a preorder bonus
midnight nimbus
nickel thinks it's just ok
high glen
so, false advertising?
sleek tartan
if he doesnt love it i will just by contrast
sleek tartan
i do too tho
midnight nimbus
it's good for pubstomping
I talked to him about wanting BF1 SLR recoil back
it's not like BF1 semis are better in any way performance wise
aside from better RSC drop off
they just feel better
spiral prism
RSC wasn't even the best semi in bf1
You missed a shot oof
You had to kill 2-3 people oof
compact oxide
1906 in BF1 👌
spiral prism
Autoloader in BF1 
sullen mist
@strong parrot yes I must know this very microsecond
compact oxide
RSC Optical was amazing
midnight nimbus
it's easy to hit consecutive 2 taps
midnight nimbus
@sleek tartan "two tap dirt nap" -storm
sleek tartan
Farquar Hill was the best SLR for me
compact oxide
I'd get most of my hackusations using the RSC Optical
spiral prism
cus suppression be bullshit
sleek tartan
Honestly the 6 bullet mag is too much
And I've downed good players that were shooting on me with the RSC with it
midnight nimbus
6 bullets was plenty with RSC
sleek tartan
well, at least inside the 3 btk range
midnight nimbus
comfy enough for 2 enemies
compact oxide
Faquhar Hill Optical was my most kills yeah
spiral prism
That is okay if you never use medic in CQC
midnight nimbus
and your RoF isn't good enough for 3 a lot of the time anyways
RSC is good at CQB
just two tap people
sleek tartan
I had an accuracy of 45% with the FH Optical
spiral prism
not a lot of bullets
compact oxide
It was even accurate enough to get double heads at range
midnight nimbus
FH Optical is gross without screendot, good with it
sleek tartan
It's "only" 44% now
midnight nimbus
who cares about low RoF when you have best in class TTK
I prefer AL8 for CQB
because you have the saturation to spray
midnight nimbus
but RSC is capable though
midnight nimbus
optical was usable without screendot, just unpleasant imo @sleek tartan
AL8 35 in BF1 is my favorite gun in any BF
I have like 8000 kills between the Marksman and Factory
compact oxide
By screendot do you mean a physical dot on the screen?
midnight nimbus
or a digital one
compact oxide
Ah
spiral prism
still questionable
compact oxide
Na can't say I felt a need for it
spiral prism
and kinda shitty to other players
sleek tartan
It felt insanly rewarding and pleasing to me though
I'm a weirdo
under supression all weapons sucked
midnight nimbus
being shitty to other players is the goal
sleek tartan
just want to clarify
spiral prism
Yes
compact oxide
I mean technically I guess my monitor can add those
midnight nimbus
RSC wasn't too bad, but suppression with things like 1916 was a bit painful
spiral prism
But giving yourself a software advantage is technically bannable
midnight nimbus
RSC and AL8 were fine for me under suppression
custom desktop logo is undetectable 👌👌
compact oxide
RSC Factory just seemed to be incredibly innaccurate to me
midnight nimbus
DICE dgaf about a lot of things
midnight nimbus
RSC really sucks if you don't hit consecutive shots
but makes it easy to hit consecutive shots
compact oxide
Yeah
spiral prism
Whoever thought it was a good idea needs to go back to BF3 and BF4 and just be forced to have it on forever
compact oxide
The Optical actually felt better tbh
midnight nimbus
i like BF3 suppression
spiral prism
eww no
midnight nimbus
for annoying people with it
spiral prism
your bullets deciding to randomly miss was fun
compact oxide
BFV suppression is better
midnight nimbus
I think some classes should be more affected than others
spiral prism
Sniper should have it hardest
midnight nimbus
like snipers should absolutely get a spread penalty
midnight nimbus
lol
the lucky headshots meme
"I don't know how probability works"
your odds of a lucky headshot are statistically insignificant
spiral prism
Its when their crosshair was close
but suppression decided their bullet was gonna go somewhere else
and hit your head
midnight nimbus
still statistically insignificant
spiral prism
Still happened enough
midnight nimbus
it can happen, it's not likely
spiral prism
and missing headshots because of random spread
was bullshit
Punishing skill via RNG is not how you retain players
midnight nimbus
more to skill than aim man
spiral prism
uh yeah like one LMG round landing near you
midnight nimbus
I think it'd be cool if you should reduce suppression penalties with crouching
spiral prism
and now you can't aim for shit
midnight nimbus
like soldiers in CoH do
crouch + hold breath if you really need to shoot through suppression
suppression should accelerate way slower too
like if you shoot back in the first half second, you're fine
don't sit in an area of suppression for 5 seconds and expect to shoot back
spiral prism
it should be for suppressing people (aka forcing cover) not giving LMGs an advantage in mid range fights
midnight nimbus
if you make suppression area based, it does exactly that
making it based on shooting around people is dumb
make it based on area
compact oxide
Just make it only take effect if you actually hit them a time or two
sleek tartan
I don't see a motivation to add random and unreadable stuff. Something like a heavy sway can be acceptable, having your bullet miss where you aim heavily just sucks for me
midnight nimbus
no wonder people hate suppression with the way BF did it
compact oxide
Being penalised for being shot at but not hit doesn't make sense imo
midnight nimbus
without a spread penalty, you can't force relocation
spiral prism
and DICE could never figure out why people didn't enjoy massive sway, spread penalties, etc
and yeah you can
serene patrol
FUCK allies planes suck ass wtf
midnight nimbus
time and area based suppression = penalize people for being in a bad position
serene patrol
how does a JU88 have more maneuverability than a mosquito
spiral prism
why didn't dice make planes identical
midnight nimbus
there needs to be some mechanic to allow MGs to lock down a lane
"go somewhere else" essentially
spiral prism
At least in BF1, less so in BFV
midnight nimbus
especially with the garbage visibility in BFV
suppression = you need to outposition this player to win
it's a mechanic that makes you use your left hand, not your right
sleek tartan
with supression you can be penalized with perfect positioning
played it competitively in incursions
was horrible dynamic
made 1v1s horrible
made teamplay about who was more supressed
midnight nimbus
there's no singular "perfect" positioning, and I do think BF suppression in general is done poorly
sleek tartan
Idk i dont expect to change your view on it
but supression is the one big victory I feel we had as comp players getting it out
midnight nimbus
like 3D spotting, I think it was a mechanic that needed reworking, not removal
sleek tartan
to that I agree
midnight nimbus
it doesn't need to be made useless
barren swan
does bfv have a battle royale mode?
midnight nimbus
it needs to be made strategic and not cancerous
and have proper methods of counterplay
it also needs to be made so that you need to be intentional in its application, and not careless
sleek tartan
there's no counter play to being supressed other than getting out of the state and shooting and killing before youg et it back
repositioning is often unviable
midnight nimbus
if you want to suppress, you need to try to suppress
exactly
if you get caught in a position where you can't reposition, that's just being outplayed
there should exist some mechanism to outmuscle it
sleek tartan
being outplayed just because you got supressed and your efficiency dropped to the floor?
midnight nimbus
but it shouldn't be best choice
midnight nimbus
good positioning includes a good second plan
sleek tartan
if any, a visual effect...
midnight nimbus
like i said before, I'd like it if you can be accurate for the first half second or so of suppression
you can whip around and kill the enemy if you're good
in combination with area based suppression, this means a skilled player can peek and defeat someone outputting suppression
but if you can't aim well enough to do it fast, you need to reposition
also carry over CoH mechanics: crouching/prone reduces suppression (give up mobility for accuracy), smoke breaks it and allows you to get out
sleek tartan
like, okay, if we totally reworked supression it could work
i woudl still rather play a game without it
but in the old bf1 style it simply doesnt work
in a competitive scenario you have no counter to it
other than wait to get out of the supressed state
midnight nimbus
BF1 style punished autos too much, I'll agree that it was still a bit much
but i wanna see suppression and spotting entirely redone
CoH2 suppression + metal gear spotting
faint spruce
Is Battlefield active in eSports scene?
midnight nimbus
strong tools with viable methods of counter play
sleek tartan
no it is not active in esports anymore
faint spruce
Oh that's sad
remote ledge
BF don't have a decent mode for esport
faint spruce
I wish they tweak and fix, so they make it eligible for one
sleek tartan
Many things they changed on BFV are cattered to it
logic said they wwanted to bring competitive in this game
but it has worked so badly that it might be cancelled
wouldn't be the first time
remote ledge
every BF is the same thing
faint spruce
damn
sleek tartan
We will get "Firestorm" battleroyale, that's something
i'm sure there will be some cups for it
faint spruce
Hmm
midnight nimbus
passive spotting sitting inactive, waiting to be used
remote ledge
"the next BF will have a decente competitive mode" and we receive a big nope every BF
remote ledge
I feel sad just to think the BR mode is gonna be the competitive mode in BFV
midnight nimbus
and actually remind viewers of what pubs look like to a degree
needs to be relatable
incursions was none of these things
remote ledge
Incursions was going so well
sleek tartan
Incursions wasn't that that bad ... but it had nothing to do with what we needed
We need a game with more than 5 players if there is going to be vehicles
and it can't be much more than 8 or 10
midnight nimbus
incursions wasn't bad, it just wasn't really BF
remote ledge
8v8 Incursions on BFV can be nice but I thing EA will not be interested in investing in this
midnight nimbus
depends on the mode imo
sleek tartan
but I'd go for 6v6 or 8v8 if i had to choose
remote ledge
8v8 because in BFV squad = 4 players
sleek tartan
6v6 with 3 in each squad and one guy can swap to spawn
like in old 8v8
its also good
midnight nimbus
American football is like 11v11 and perfectly watchable bc action is concentrated
frontlines is the same
10v10 FL would've really worked
sleek tartan
@midnight nimbus american football is an established sport for now a lot of years, not the case for bf esports
it needs to have a shape that can exist in a primitive form
8v8 is the max limit imho
midnight nimbus
I just don't wanna see BF try to compete with CoD and CS at 5v5, and instead create a relatable mode to pubs
BF is realistically played and won on a macro level
remote ledge
6v6 is a good number por any competitive game, but vehicles on 6v6 is some stupid... just my opinion
midnight nimbus
like RTS
sleek tartan
I understand you don't want it to compete with those... but most of the competitive players, liked BF for its Infantry gamemodes
midnight nimbus
doesn't need to be low player count
sleek tartan
not for the big conquest and etc
that's why it had to adapt in the begining
now we've seen that this approach wasn't popular enough, okay
midnight nimbus
I don't like conquest either, but something in between 5v5 and 32v32 is ideal
sleek tartan
but we can't forget that previous lesson
I had a reaaaaaaaaaally long project idea for bf esports
I'm gonna try to make it short
Teams of up to 8 players, various gamemodes with different amounts of players, from domination to conquest small, going through frontlines and even a special "search and destroy" kind of mode
And for some show events
the idea would be to join up teams
so they would be 8+8+8
remote ledge
everything is hard for EA if don't give they a instant profit 😛
sleek tartan
for comp matches of up to 48
midnight nimbus
that's woke
sleek tartan
but it kind of built from small to bigger
midnight nimbus
24v24 max 👌👌👌
sleek tartan
and those, would mostly be showmatches
remote ledge
24v24 is too much
sleek tartan
not a real competiive
those would be mostly the mixed modes
with teams of 8
with some maybe exception
to make it 16v16
and see if it works
but again, going step by step
remote ledge
How the hell are you going to have communication with 24 people?
midnight nimbus
I like the idea of "seasons" for competitive. you play 8v8 FL from say Sept-Dec, DOM from Jan-March, and have your show case 24v24 at the end
sleek tartan
@remote ledge like real armies do, only the squads leaders talk to each other
the rest exist a separate units
with different goals
midnight nimbus
you don't need VOIP communication if BF had actual good teamplay mechanics
VOIP enhances
VOIP shouldn't be a prerequisite to play
remote ledge
this is why this is a game, not a real army xD
midnight nimbus
3D spotting + VOIP opens up a lot for teamplay
remote ledge
also, 24 player per line is too much
midnight nimbus
on a larger scale
sleek tartan
but its easy to do in the game... squad leaders are the ones talking to each other to cooperate, then the rest of the people talk to their teams/squads
and you build the strats before
so you dont need constant communication
it would be competitive after all
not some group of friends
midnight nimbus
yeah, that's how 32v32 "comp" worked
you plan out who goes where
you assign people one job
and you do your job
sleek tartan
And as I said... the main idea would be to start off with something like a tournament in which teams play various gamemodes
in some, there is 5v5 gameplay only with infantry maybe
or 6v6
then some other gamemodes add vehicles
midnight nimbus
i'd like KOTH
sleek tartan
or have more infantry even
midnight nimbus
or hardpoint
remote ledge
24v24 is just a pub with players who know how to play
sleek tartan
this kind of idea
gamemodes honestly were the thing that I cared the least for
they are not really relevant to developing the strategy
as long as people liked them...
midnight nimbus
@remote ledge no, big scale comp is players understanding that BF is won on a macro level and you need to play it like an RTS to win
sleek tartan
and why various gamemodes?
i feel like this is the only way to make everyone happy
and to capture the full bf spirit
midnight nimbus
https://youtu.be/YyVf3b0R8Os like here, this dude's job is to sit here and shoot LVGs at a corridor
I agree
I like that a lot, showing off all the game modes
sleek tartan
plus, its better to measure players
one player can be great at lets say domination
but maybe he sucks on conquest
because he has no good idea of strts
strats^*
maybe he's only a run and gun guy
midnight nimbus
CQ is a shit mode for comp though
midnight nimbus
it doesn't encourage any aggression, you nab half + 1
even CQ small is kinda meh
sleek tartan
but yeah, I agree. Modes that allow you to just go for a sneaky cap are shit
proven quartz
I play Dom only and your 100% right
midnight nimbus
BF4 Chain Link was really good
sleek tartan
we don't want that in competitive
midnight nimbus
Chain Link basically kills the back cap
midnight nimbus
RS2 Supremacy is ideal, give that a look @sleek tartan
sleek tartan
that are deeper than just "smoke and run"
remote ledge
BFV frontline is ok, but need improvements
sleek tartan
IMHO from all the gamemodes, if we only had to choose one, the best for esports is Frontlines
midnight nimbus
RS2 Supremacy is what I basically want CQ to be
sleek tartan
but yes, it needs fixes
now it's thought for pubs
and it also has issues there
like letting players spread out too much
midnight nimbus
Frontlines is probably the best mode in BF ever
because it's CQ boiled down to what people want it to be
in CQ, people only want to play on the fun central flags anyways
sleek tartan
but it requires a given map design
remote ledge
not in BFV atm
sleek tartan
and as you can see by yourself
midnight nimbus
in FL, you make it the only flag
sleek tartan
most maps don't support it well
midnight nimbus
yeah, Hamada FL is shit
sleek tartan
in all frontlines regardless of being bf1 or bfv, you have the same issue though
when people dont know where to go
remote ledge
atm frontline basically is fast stomp or just a eternal draw match
sleek tartan
they spread around the map
and do nothing
you'd expect this to not happen in competitive
but it needs to be solved
midnight nimbus
@sleek tartan you seen Dan's video? https://youtu.be/xzxyoyXCGyo
yeah, average BF player doesn't know how to frontline
which is sad because it's very easy to understand
sleek tartan
Yeah sadly Dan and I disagree on many stuff
like, I really don't like frontline maps with just 3 flags
for example
I think 5 is the ideal number
sleek tartan
agree yeah
remote ledge
lol never play frontline hamada but... lol
midnight nimbus
5 is ideal, 3 is good enough on some maps
sleek tartan
Frontline Hamada:
7 flags.
3 tanks per side.
Complete map as playable area...
remote ledge
7 flags and 2 tanks? Dice is insane
sleek tartan
3*
sleek tartan
Yeah, basically they are insane
midnight nimbus
for 32p that's just gross
remote ledge
this is a 32v32 match
sleek tartan
16v16*
sleek tartan
here too..
😛
We are now in petit comite
I can tell you one thing guys
competitive will be present on BFV
remote ledge
Hamada can be a good map, on CQ, not CQ assault
sleek tartan
will it be too late, or even good?
we don't know...
but it will be there
trust in hormi
midnight nimbus
attrition makes a bit more sense for 5v5 than it does in any other setting
not that it makes sense at all
remote ledge
I only trust tigg
sleek tartan
wise
remote ledge
tigg is the only one that can save the competitive
sleek tartan
well it's late boys it's fun talking with y'all
remote ledge
and drunkz
midnight nimbus
tiggr 😞
sleek tartan
we need to hope they finally hire relaaa too
remote ledge
cya, hormi
midnight nimbus
@sleek tartan heard relaaa is going to school or something
sleek tartan
@midnight nimbus confirmed with him yesterday he can't tell anything right now
it doesn't take much to think 1+1, if he can't talk there's something to talk about
midnight nimbus
I don't talk to him though, just heard it through the grapevine
anyways ✌️✌️✌️ pce
lapis hare
let us acquire the bread!
jovial forge
Looks like I won't complete this week sing grand ops challenge glitched
jovial forge
Played 4 from start to finish and nothing
jovial forge
Same. Had a great defensive aerodrome match and squat
pulsar summit
I had to do the map it told me to do for it to count for me, which was twisted steel
jovial forge
Flexing on scrub Recons with the 1906 and lightning up the mini map with spotting scope
Twisted steel was the first one i did
jovial forge
Have yet to see the new gun in a match
amber notch
@lapis hare Do not use any form of racial slurs here.
lapis hare
I changed it up so it wouldn't appear racist, however i'll refrain from using racial stuff here
sorry!
amber notch
Any Form
lapis hare
right, will keep it in mind!
icy sluice
After 6 GOs, I didn't advance in the week
simple jolt
Just finished the grand ops assignment 😍 no more grand ops for a while I hope
icy sluice
No there are like 2 other assignments down the paths that require Grand Operations
amber notch
i did this weeks tides
simple jolt
You mean the ToW ones? All done too. I was referring to the "Win 3 grand ops games"
primal sage
I'm still waiting on the Body Cosmetics for Tanks.
amber notch
Didnt get a special dogtag for 100% completing everything as everyone thought they would
that will probably come with the currency update
primal sage
So...never?
sleek verge
95% done fellas
sleek verge
🅱oins
echo sand
So, I've had the game completely crash on me back into Windows a few times now
primal sage
Uh.
echo sand
Anyone else?
primal sage
Excuse me?
Available for purchase?
As in....
...Company Coins?
Or Microtransactions?
sleek verge
🅱oins
amber notch
you cant buy company coins
But i swear to god these cosmetics better be fucking good
sleek verge
🅱oins
primal sage
MICROTRANSACTION COINS?
What if that's what they're just called?
What if EA got THAT lazy?
"Here you go fuckers. Microtransaction Coins..."
sleek verge
Who cares
sleek verge
ITS DONE BOISS