battlefield-legacy-titles

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is here

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I dunno, maybe sometimes people are on their computers and sometimes not

But they still wanna look at Discord

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[midnight nimbus]

@sleek tartan you basically go straight to max suppression state anyways

[solid hinge]

Good morning pow

[midnight nimbus]

asked randomsway abt it awhile ago

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[compact oxide]

I guess it is morning there

[solid hinge]

that says AM for a reason chief

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[icy sluice]

Smash

I got like two days off after today, so, yay

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i have two days off of work

after working today and yesterday

[icy sluice]

Nothing happened on Christmas, so...

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and then i have new years day off, was supposed to work but because i worked Christmas i get it off

so i can make 2019 jokes to @wary mason

[icy sluice]

Oof, the ping

[wary mason]

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[snow sleet]

Hey guys. What is considered the best Support-gun atm?

[icy sluice]

KE7

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fg42

[torpid wing]

How do I take a screenshot

Some playermodels got bugged and are "shadows" without texture

[icy sluice]

Get a phone

[ashen knot]

i like the lewis

[amber notch]

if people say otherwise they are lying

statistically the fg42 is amazing, just low ammo

thats it

has super low recoil

is basically a sten that 4 shots any range

[vague dagger]

ke7 for run and gun, mg42 for suppressive support, lewis gun for all arounding (in my opinion)

[icy sluice]

MG42

150

1250 rpm

[midnight nimbus]

FG42 4 shot at all ranges lol

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[midnight nimbus]

> 10m 4BTK

[snow sleet]

Ok I'll test the FG42, thanks 😃

[midnight nimbus]

FG42 is good though

[amber notch]

@snow sleet you need to get the specs

[icy sluice]

With scope

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less upwards

[midnight nimbus]

full right tree

[amber notch]

bayonet is fucking shit

I mean

great feature

[midnight nimbus]

FG42 renders left tree KE7 pretty much useless

[icy sluice]

Of course you go full right propaganda

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hmmm

I smell a trusted boi

[snow sleet]

POW, what specs do you recoomend?

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full right

no wait

[solid hinge]

tfw snipers with final option of bayonet or zero distance

[amber notch]

let me get my 42

[solid hinge]

useless!!

[austere path]

is ag m42 one gun or two guns for the overture white tigrer skin

[icy sluice]

I use left kar98k

Agm42 is just one gun

[amber notch]

this is my fg42

@snow sleet

[compact oxide]

Why no bayonet

[solid hinge]

Nydar scope..

[snow sleet]

Thanks 😄

[amber notch]

has served me well in getting me over 1800 kills

[solid hinge]

Hipfire master?

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AA scope is bad

ya

its got good hipfire

plus, in CQ dont ads

[solid hinge]

Everyone is so cruel to the AA scope

[amber notch]

especially with that gun

if you want just double tap the gun

and yeah

[solid hinge]

Does that mag really only have 20 bullets in

[sleek tartan]

when does the new tides of war thingy start exactly

[solid hinge]

It's very.. large

[amber notch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/177094649473794049/516160066571993088/Battlefield_V_2018.11.25_-_18.23.48.01_Trim.mp4

recoil control

legit a lazer

[solid hinge]

holy shit

is this the power of AA sights

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no

thats what that gun does

[solid hinge]

(yes)

[sleek tartan]

easy aimbut https://clips.twitch.tv/AmazingKawaiiCardDAESuppy

[amber notch]

its fucking crazy

[snow sleet]

What scope do you use POW?

[midnight nimbus]

LRRR for FG42 imo

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Not the AA

[midnight nimbus]

quick aim is gud

LRRR or LLLR with FG42 is good

[compact oxide]

How about ironsights

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if you want your fg42 to do that you do RLLR

[solid hinge]

The iron sights a-are cute

[amber notch]

they are horrible

i hated them

Used them once, never want to go back

[solid hinge]

You are so cruel

[midnight nimbus]

u right myb

[solid hinge]

so cruel

[midnight nimbus]

iron sight zoom is gay

but ADS time is so nice

[solid hinge]

1.5

!!!

[midnight nimbus]

1.5x is gay, yes

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[solid hinge]

scree

[midnight nimbus]

1 or 1.25x is nice

[sleek tartan]

@midnight nimbus what's the difference between ADS time from each and the other?

[midnight nimbus]

I think it's -100ms iirc

[amber notch]

isnt it like .2

close enough

[sleek tartan]

100ms is insane

I hate this kind of balance

[midnight nimbus]

200ms with irons and quick ADS

[sleek tartan]

I hate that you can't choose your zoom level

[compact oxide]

Doesn't it change on the mag of the scope for ADS time?

[midnight nimbus]

still pretty slow

actually no

[compact oxide]

@sleek tartan same, one of my biggest pet peeves

[midnight nimbus]

200ms with irons and quick ADS is for ARs I think

[sleek tartan]

Also, I talked to Drunkz about this

[midnight nimbus]

I forget what it is for LMGs

[sleek tartan]

They never convieved the sights as an upgrade for weapons

[midnight nimbus]

drunkzze told me it could be added in, it's just hard

[sleek tartan]

just an option

[midnight nimbus]

yea, never thought people would care

[amber notch]

@solid hinge https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/177094649473794049/516160278766026753/Battlefield_V_2018.11.25_-_18.23.48.01_Trim_2.mp4 This is the fg42 without controlling the recoil, the first one was me controlling it

[sleek tartan]

but then they made this different ads times and added even dirt to some lensed ones

like... im sorry but that's unbalanced as fuck

and actually relevant

[midnight nimbus]

the dirt on the lenses is gey

[sleek tartan]

unlike the assignments 😛

I'm so salty about so much stuff in BFV

[solid hinge]

@amber notch it goes directly diagonally to the up right

that's pretty neat!

[amber notch]

easy control

I mean

fg42 is bad, please buff again

[solid hinge]

You get that with the tree that reduces vertical recoil instead of horizontal?

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@solid hinge

[midnight nimbus]

BFV would legit be really fun without attrition

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[midnight nimbus]

no attrition + roblox graphics would make it one of my favorite BFs

[solid hinge]

You get two mags and you'll be happy about it mister

I barely notice attrition

probably because i die a lot

[midnight nimbus]

attrition affects long range gun users disproportionately tbh

[sleek tartan]

It honors you that you realize that attrition doesnt affect you as much because you die a lot

[compact oxide]

I don't use it as I'm always running past ammo boxes

[sleek tartan]

most people are like "im fine with attrition you are a camper"

[midnight nimbus]

health attrition is just gay

[compact oxide]

Just another way to make medic OP 😃

[solid hinge]

I think scouts suffer the most from it because even from the people they have taken out they only get two bullets whereas other classes get half a magazine

[sleek tartan]

Halth attrition IMO is idiotic, in most engagements, you end up with some damage. Some damage that builds over time and it really unrelated to how well you did, unless you get a medic (forcing muh teamplay) you are on a disadvantage.

I really dont know who benefits from this

[midnight nimbus]

engage -> take damage -> reengage -> take damage again -> use bandage -> reengage -> take damage, now what?

[compact oxide]

Assault can regen half health naturally

[sleek tartan]

die

[midnight nimbus]

just gonna sit there

[sleek tartan]

or run to a crate

if you even can

[compact oxide]

IMO I don't notice it as assault or medic

[midnight nimbus]

if i can't run to a crate, I'm just gonna sit there

camp

[solid hinge]

The attrition system in Battlefield feels more like chore for me

[midnight nimbus]

it is a chore

that's all

it's not necessarily harder, just tedious and limiting to KPM

[sleek tartan]

It's a chore only by design

it used to be something you did for a powerup...

You could just sit for a while and eventualy regain hp, and that didnt make you a bullet sponge

it just gave you the chance given you could stay alive

[midnight nimbus]

teamwork should never be necessary and always beneficial
BFV teamwork is overly necessary, sometimes beneficial, and sometimes detrimental

oof

auto health regen is your reward for successfully disengaging, now you just get punished for staying alive

[solid hinge]

An enemy who has just spawned and still has a bandage will win against you in 90% of all cases because he has a bandage left whereas you have not.

[sleek tartan]

@midnight nimbus i blame it on the "PTFO" mentality

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, it ends up coming down to not necessarily who's better, but who spawned most recently

I hate the PTFO mentality

well, the "PTFO" mentality

[sleek tartan]

Don't get me wrong, PTFO is important... but people doesn't understand that you wont play the objective better just by dying on it like a bot

Sometimes surviving is better

or playing smartly in any indirect way

[midnight nimbus]

objectives exist in FPS as a means to draw people together and enable more shooting

that's all

you still play a FPS to shoot people

not to mindlessly run at flags

[sleek tartan]

In battlefield we've lost this kind of approach to objectivs, so many people see the objectives as the goal itself

and it's like... dude, do you realize this is a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER?

[midnight nimbus]

BF punishes you for surviving in so many ways

if you actually want to win, you're frequently better off redeploying to another flag

bc of kongquest

[sleek tartan]

this often comes up when I talk about conquest... people talk to me about how backcapping flags is important and im like, yeah, sure, trying to avoid conflict and going for easy flag captures helps enjoyment in the match a lot

I don't care if it's effective, it's a shitty approach to gaming

[solid hinge]

also most of the times it is better to play solo than in a random squad 😄

[midnight nimbus]

kongquest is the opposite of robust design

same with squads, to an extent

you can just bust conquest by abusing squad mechanics

[solid hinge]

how many times have people spawned on me when I was sneaking behind enemiy lines and my teammates started shooting

[midnight nimbus]

and barely even shooting, just playing flag runner

[sleek tartan]

Unless I see people actively cooperating and doing well, I just kick everyone from my squad

[midnight nimbus]

#DeleteSquads

unironically

[sleek tartan]

Also this "PTFO" mentality created a new problem, sometimes i'm just busy killing people

doing what I'm supposed to do

and a random takes advantage to take the squad leader

while i'm actually doing what he should have been

and unable to set objectives

10/10 design

why they do that? not because they want orders...

they just want to use the fucking v1

[solid hinge]

Becoming squad leader as soon as the V1 is ready... there are plenty of people just waiting for that opportunity

[midnight nimbus]

squads literally shouldn't exist

and neither should commo rose

[sleek tartan]

I love the idea of squads. After all, you can't directly cooperate with 32p or 16p on your team

[brisk field]

I just bought a night owl scope fuck

[sleek tartan]

but we've destroyed them with the latest changes

[midnight nimbus]

in a system where squads exist, everything in the commo rose can be automated

[solid hinge]

Sometimes I wish there was friendly fire

[midnight nimbus]

if BF actually had good teamplay mechanics, squads wouldn't be necessary at all

[sleek tartan]

And now the squads act as a separate thing

like the rest of the team doesnt exist

which is also an error

[midnight nimbus]

BF has terrible teamplay mechanics, exactly

non squad members in BFV are NPCs

squad members that are randoms are barely better

teammates are often a detriment due to BF collision being absolutely idiotic

and fucked spawn mechanics

[sleek tartan]

And I'm telling you something, It's not about them not killing a lot of shit... no... it's just that so many people go into a squad, take a role (like medic) and proceed to not do it, not even be close to the squad

then... why do you join us ??

to take the leader.. yes i forgot...

to steal the points I made properly

[solid hinge]

And 90% of them will not resupply you anyways even if they are support or medic 😄

How often have I stood in front of them begging for a resupply but nothing happened and I had to run back to the last objective.

[midnight nimbus]

passive teamplay mechanics when

turn players into crates

so teamplay is always useful

[solid hinge]

Then it would not be teamplay any more however it would be more effective as teamplay 😄

[midnight nimbus]

no, that's still teamplay

they are on your team and help by existing

they can choose to help more by playing near you so keep helping you

so you don't have to go out of your way

[solid hinge]

However they are not helping you actively 😃

[midnight nimbus]

hence the term passive

[ripe hazel]

i dont think i like Battlefield
it's feels so slow compared to Overwatch

[midnight nimbus]

who cares about active

[ripe hazel]

and i was so excited to buy this game

[faint spruce]

Unfair to compare bf with ow

[midnight nimbus]

OW is barely even a shooter

[faint spruce]

and so with six siege

[solid hinge]

I think it would be more effective buying four copies of Battlefield 5 running them on four systems and creating a squad with those four accounts then 😄

[sleek tartan]

@ripe hazel don't play conquest, go domination

it's a trap

[faint spruce]

They all are different game and involves tactics which are not at all similar

[midnight nimbus]

I just wanna see BF adopt modern mechanics and move out of the stone age

like BFH was almost there

still required unnecessary input

[sleek tartan]

as someone who played 1000h OW I know what he meant

[ripe hazel]

i can't be as aggressive as i like in Battlefield
i wish i could run in and fight things without getting deleted by some sniper or plane or anything really
not to mention reloading takes forever
and the clunky movement

[midnight nimbus]

unnecessary input on modern games is big gay

[sleek tartan]

and it's actually closer than you guys think

[midnight nimbus]

and BFV is the king of unnecessary input

[faint spruce]

Yes, reloading times must be buffed

[sleek tartan]

We have tanks in bf, we have healers, we have supports...

[pliant geyser]

unnecessary input ?

[midnight nimbus]

PRESS E
PRESS 3
CONSTANT BUTTON PRESS

to do things that can be automated

[pliant geyser]

lol

[midnight nimbus]

like why the fuck do you need to press E on a depot

to get ammo or health

[pliant geyser]

giving out ammo should be automated ?

[midnight nimbus]

yes

[solid hinge]

the simpler the controls the more you can concentrate on actually playing the game.

[midnight nimbus]

exactly

[pliant geyser]

naw

[midnight nimbus]

automate the tedious shit so people can actually play a team based shooter

[faint spruce]

Hmm

[ripe hazel]

in Overwatch i can carry hard and jump everywhere and not worry about too many things
Battlefield is too slow and complicated if you ask me

[midnight nimbus]

the commo rose has zero reason for existing

at all

[pliant geyser]

Two completely different games scruff

Overwatch isnt really even a shooter

its more of a moba

[faint spruce]

Commo rose?

[midnight nimbus]

marking objectives with the commo rose can be easily automated. whatever objective the squad leader is running towards should be automatically marked

[faint spruce]

Oh Q button

[solid hinge]

I feel like Battlefield 1 was better in perspective of unnecessary input.

[pliant geyser]

Commo rose isnt complicated enough if you ask me.

[midnight nimbus]

if people get such a boner from randoms saying "thank you" after getting revived, everyone should just automatically say thank you after getting revived

[pliant geyser]

The one thing BFv needs is complexity not the removal of it.

BF5 is far too streamlined as it is

[midnight nimbus]

if you're low on ammo, your character should automatically ask for ammo

[ripe hazel]

wish i knew that before i spent 270 bucks on it
i was promised it would be action-packed and quick-paced but it's the opposite :/
then again ive only ever played the war stories

[midnight nimbus]

more complexity != more skill

[pliant geyser]

no

I know

More complexity not necessarily in controls = more depth.

Depth is good.

[midnight nimbus]

streamline absolutely everything unnecessary

you can have more depth with less complex

[faint spruce]

How about Six Siege? Do you think that game is complicated too?

[pliant geyser]

Siege is insanely complicated

[faint spruce]

Likenrook should auto deploy armour

[pliant geyser]

siege thrives at that though.

[midnight nimbus]

siege is built off being complex

[faint spruce]

Operators should pick it if they are near its vicinity

[pliant geyser]

BF used to be built on being complex as well kht

[midnight nimbus]

it's all about operator counterplay, less about shooting

BF before BC2 doesn't exist

[pliant geyser]

BF before BC2 is where it shined

BF2 is still the best game in the franchise.

[midnight nimbus]

BF2 is boomer garbage

0.7 base spread 😂😂😂

everyone has a ton of nades 😂😂😂

[pliant geyser]

There were some problems but the teamwork and varied classes carried the game.

As time has gone on some of the streamlining has hurt the game dramatically.

[midnight nimbus]

opportunity for class specialization >>> tons of classes

[pliant geyser]

Removal of carriers/ Airbases, removal of bases, removal of commander etc

all negatives

[midnight nimbus]

BF2 has good maps and strong vehicles, that's it

bases and commander are gigantic dumb

[pearl harness]

BF2 was sick

[ripe hazel]

@sleek tartan fellow Overwatch player, is there a gamemode in Battlefield 5 as fast, intense, carefree, and fun as Overwatch?

[pliant geyser]

I am a firm believer the 4 classes in BF5 can work if they introduce subclasses

current system is garbage

[cedar knoll]

At what point in the game will it get good?

[pliant geyser]

i honestly think about a year from now

A ton of things in BF5 you can tell they wanted to go deeper with but due to time constraint they held back.

[midnight nimbus]

they wanted to go deeper with shit TTK

[pliant geyser]

I bet you given enough dev time players would be able to customize their tank and pilot players, customize the stationary weapon loadouts etc

[midnight nimbus]

and deeper with retarded combat roles

[pliant geyser]

TTK was better when it was higher

now people just zerg

[midnight nimbus]

bruh

high TTK encourages zerging

[pliant geyser]

i notice it more now

[midnight nimbus]

because you're so ridiculously impotent as an individual

that you have to clump up to be effective

[pliant geyser]

The should do something about the zerging its really annoying, swarm of people capture a flag, 95 percent of them bum rush the next one that takes 10 seconds to get to.

I miss flags being spread out

[midnight nimbus]

cardiosimulatorfield

[pliant geyser]

KHT explain the combat roles what where they going to do initially

[midnight nimbus]

not the man to ask 😉

[coral summit]

Hi everyone .. I am a total noob at BFV, completed campaign, no idea though regards the online ... plus, joined here because I cannot post/respond to anything on the EA forum site .. Am I in the right place for help ???

[pliant geyser]

well its worth a shot whats your problem bud

[glad rapids]

Is there any way you can play through the old Tides of war missions? I missed the first two weeks 😦

[pliant geyser]

naw

they are gone bs

[coral summit]

I have no idea what why when where regarding the online/pvp modes .. whats good, whats bad, whats best for a no ranker ...

[pliant geyser]

you might still get a chance to unlock those things in future missions

just jump in and learn the game wrinkle

conquest is a good place to start as its the only game mode in bf worth playing

[solid hinge]

The time-restricted events to unlock weapons are also garbage in my opinion

[coral summit]

@pliant geyser .. Thank you

[solid hinge]

all the game modes are pretty nice

[midnight nimbus]

slowly killing off conquest is the best thing DICE has ever done

only bad thing is they aren't doing it fast enough

[ashen knot]

i recommend breakthrough for beginner

conquest you can easily get lost if you are not familiar with the map

[opaque hinge]

Oof

Conquest the best

Og mode

[delicate panther]

i keep getting panzerstorm as map -;-

[coral summit]

@ashen knot .. No idea what format Breakthrough is, but try it

[opaque hinge]

Panzerstorm is fun..

[ashen knot]

breakthrough, you either defend or attack

[delicate panther]

i dont like i

[ashen knot]

its straight forward

[opaque hinge]

If u think conquest is too difficult theres a problemn

Lol

[ashen knot]

im not saying that. i said for beginner

[opaque hinge]

🤷

Imo conquest easier to learn the map

Cause your playing the whole map

[ashen knot]

thats not overwhelming for a new player? ok

[coral summit]

Had several thousand hours on BF4, loved it, not played BF since .. my first run at this new one .. everything so bloody alien to me

[midnight nimbus]

conquest is one of the worst FPS modes ever conceived

[opaque hinge]

Er the maps arent that big

Maybe overwhelming if your new to fps

Everyone was new to the maps at some point..

[dense bone]

conquest one of the best modes for bf though

[ashen knot]

i know. youre just more prepared if you start on easier modes first

[opaque hinge]

Breakthrough is easier?

Debatable

And yeah conquest the best

[midnight nimbus]

CQ at the average level is shoot tards in the back until you die to something random

CQ at the highest level is flag runner

or explosive camping, depending on map

[solid hinge]

Has anyone received a reward for Enigma Decryption? I just received a gift from EA.

[opaque hinge]

🤔

[spiral badge]

So I was doing this MP40 assignment where I just have to kill people while attacking objectives, and you'll never believe

I actually had fun because I could just play the game and it would progress without me having to worry aobut it

[opaque hinge]

This sounds like clickbait

[coral summit]

Looks like I have to just go in blind, die a lot till I figure it out .... Been a Destiny 1 and 2 player for a long time ...

[amber notch]

What

[solid hinge]

¿

[opaque hinge]

[dense bone]

@coral summit just learn the maps and learn flanking routes

thats the main thing with bfv

[coral summit]

@dense bone .. Thank you .. btw, nice to meet another nitro member

[solid hinge]

https://imgur.com/p1X4TDj

[dense bone]

theres a ton of us atm, since they gave it out for free a week ago

[opaque hinge]

What's free

[dense bone]

nitro

[opaque hinge]

I heard free

Ah

[coral summit]

Did not know that .. paid $50 for it a while back ..

[solid hinge]

Has anyone received a reward for Enigma Decryption? I just received the parcel from EA.

[opaque hinge]

It's only 1 month free

[dense bone]

yea its a trial thing

[coral summit]

I create my own ...

[opaque hinge]

Hey nyphon

[dense bone]

yo

[opaque hinge]

I'm buying my rgb fans today..

They finally went on sale

[dense bone]

...

[opaque hinge]

[dense bone]

you disgust me

[coral summit]

[opaque hinge]

Oof

It's the only thing missing

Then everything will be rgb!

[dense bone]

you dont have an rgb case though

[opaque hinge]

Shh

My case looks sexy af

Rgb cases are just a sham

[dense bone]

but it could look sexy afer if it was rgb

[opaque hinge]

No

[dense bone]

mods

[opaque hinge]

[solid hinge]

smods

[vast heart]

m1a1 20 headshots challenge is retarded

can't do it for shit, and I'm a decent infantry player

[dense bone]

you gotta get certain maps and certain points

even then you have to depend on enemy players to come and try to take the point

aerodrome C is good, fjell C is good, and twisted steel both points on bridge are good

[vast heart]

idk

been playing 2 hours and never even got close to 20

fuck that

[dense bone]

i got my m1a1 on my 2nd match wit the 20 hs

aerodrome C

just stay in there

dont ever leave

[gray glade]

the 20hs thingy, is that the mastery assignment?

[dense bone]

well i lie

i would go to the point right outside of C towards german side

[opaque hinge]

Hi snuggleflake

[dense bone]

there you can camp outside of an ammo resupply

i was either in that spot or in c

it helps to have a friend (i had one in aero) that will revive you

@gray glade yea for semi autos to get the last mastery for gold you have to get 10 headshot KILLS in the objective in ONE LIFE or get 20 headshot KILLS in objective in ONE ROUND

[gray glade]

its a mastery assignment

MASTERY

[dense bone]

...

not sure where youre going with that

[spiral badge]

He's saying it's supposed to be hard, nevermind the fact that some of them are just unreasonably hard compared to others.

[gray glade]

yeah

i felt the support one was too ez

[dense bone]

gotcha, thats what i was thinking, just wasnt sure if it was called proficiency and that i wasnt calling it the right thing

[spiral badge]

Challenge is okay, the problem is the same level of mastery is way harder for some guns and in general they make you play in a specific, often unwanted way and it has nothing to do with "mastery"

[worn cave]

I really wish that Grand Ops servers would be excluded from Frontlines/Conquest/Breakthrough filters, jesus

[spiral badge]

I hate how people toss that around tbh

[worn cave]

I'm so tired of being funneled into Airborne matches

[spiral badge]

"Lol it's called mastery it's supposed to be rly hard"

[dense bone]

right, its not "hard" more of a chance thing or play a specific way

[spiral badge]

Exactly

[gray glade]

i dont think it's something that one should expect to do in like 3-4 games etc

[dense bone]

imo it should be a total thing

[gray glade]

at least personally, i would be fine with trying that one for a while

[spiral badge]

The earlier levels have totals

[dense bone]

get 100 headshots

200

[spiral badge]

But the latter don't, because fuck you

[dense bone]

yea i did m1a1 in 2 games, the first game wasnt a full match either

for 1-5 it took like 10 games

and id get around 15 hs often

[spiral badge]

Also in what world is 10 kills in a life equal to 20 kills in a round in difficulty

[gray glade]

yeah thats kinda weird

10 kills in a life really means you have to either get lucky that nobody's looking at ya, or very conservative

[dense bone]

well... there was a couple of games i got 8 kills in a life but didnt finish the 20 in a round

sad part was that medics ran past me instead of reviving

i was in a safe spot too

[spiral badge]

I got 8 as well earlier today, got dynamited and no one around to revive

[dense bone]

laame

[spiral badge]

It's not 100% under my control, and yet people go like "Oh 10 kills/life isn't too hard" as if they just run around with a K/D of 10

All the time

[dense bone]

lol

[solid hinge]

it's ten headshot kills too

not like it's just killing them

[spiral badge]

Yeah, which is 100% bullshit

[solid hinge]

brutal

[dense bone]

yea, i feel like hs reg is off after doing these missions, id SWEAR im hitting their head, and it doesnt count as a hs kill

[spiral badge]

Even if hit reg was on point, that's a tall order

[dense bone]

i also feel like theres a cooldown to it as wel

[solid hinge]

[dense bone]

because there are other times i swear i gotmultiple hs in quick succession and it only counted 1

[ripe jetty]

did yall know that you wont die from a grenade if youre laying on it but you will die if youre standing next to it in bfv

[spiral badge]

No, but I knew I die to grenades just barely around the corner even though none of the shrapnel would logically hit me

Yes game, I see the blinking grenade icon right next to me, but it's just around the corner made of concrete or w/e and I don't want to move rn, I'll get shot

Oh, you killed me somehow, okay

[wicked garnet]

If There is a grandte next to you behinde a Wall the blast migh kill you who knows

[spiral badge]

It shouldn't, but it does

[wicked garnet]

In Real life trough

[dense bone]

they should have a color indication of the expected dmg youll take from a nade

[wicked garnet]

Its somethink for mythbuster

[dense bone]

like yellow it wont kill, orange a lot of dmg, red will kill

[spiral badge]

No, in real life a frag grenade on the opposite side of a concrete object should would not kill me

[raw narwhal]

most of the lethality of a frag grenade comes from the shrapnel shredding you apart

irl that is

[spiral badge]

Indeed

[dense bone]

i thought within a certain range even the pressure could kill you

[wicked garnet]

That was What i Think tooo

But Its like 25 to 10000

[dense bone]

not saying that the pressure wouldnt be negated by a wall

[spiral badge]

That depends

[wicked garnet]

It all depends

On so many thinks

[spiral badge]

What the wall is made of, how close you are to the wall, how close the grenade is on the opposing side, how big of a space each of you are in, and what the actual explosive is

And other things

[dense bone]

basically in a game setting a nade on the other side of a wall shouldnt kill

[spiral badge]

But it's safe to say that a frag grenade exploding around the corner of a wall made of concrete would not kill you

Course there could be ricocheting shrapnel as well

Which again, depends

[solid hinge]

ok good if nyphon thinks there's headshot issues then I'm not just imagining it

[spiral badge]

There absolutely is

[wicked garnet]

Bigger heads

[dense bone]

i cant say for sure, but sometimes things just seem off

[spiral badge]

Plenty of times I see people prone and I shoot at them and there is no goddamn way every single bullet hit their shoulders or arms

Aiming for the center

[solid hinge]

I've had people proning over cliffs where i can literally only see their helmet and it's been body shots

[spiral badge]

That too

[solid hinge]

If the bullet hits at all

[spiral badge]

They peek over whatever and you only see the head, oh look

It's a body shot

[solid hinge]

Sometimes it goes through them

[icy sluice]

Aim better

[dense bone]

i havent had that

[spiral badge]

Speaking of bullets phasing through people

[solid hinge]

[dense bone]

i have a lot where i flank, take way more time than i need, land headshots, didnt count as headshots

[spiral badge]

Are people invincible briefly when exiting a vehicle or not? I'm guessing no but I tried to shoot at a guy exiting a tank (from very close range) a while back

[solid hinge]

soo what do you boys think about BF V so far

[dense bone]

im using a 2 tap headshot accurate gun

those should have been headshots

[icy sluice]

@spiral badgeno

[spiral badge]

And for a good 2-3 seconds at the start of the animation he would not take damage

[raw narwhal]

probably more down to hitboxes during animations being wonky

[dense bone]

@solid hinge i like it A LOT

[icy sluice]

I've killed people getting in and out cars

[dense bone]

i havent experienced problems that others have though

[spiral badge]

I'm having more fun with it than any other BF until now

It's janky but I can deal

[solid hinge]

You're not invincible during tank animations I've been killed during them

But the hitboxes are like.. really weird

[worn cave]

As a passenger in a jeep I was holding fire and my ammo counter went down at regular RPM but I wasn't firing and nothing was happening , looool

[spiral badge]

I figured as much, just wanted to make sure

I don't use vehicles and rarely ride in them so

[solid hinge]

i think its wierd how the pleyer holds the mp 34

player*

[spiral badge]

You mean the 28?

[solid hinge]

yeah

[spiral badge]

According to someone that's how the troops were instructed to hold it

But I dunno if that's true

Considering you hold the 34 the other way around

[solid hinge]

yeah i just find it wier

wierd*

[spiral badge]

Yeah it definitely looks weird

[solid hinge]

i thought it would look like the mp 18

from bf 1

[spiral badge]

Wonder if gun jesus has made a video on it

He'd know

[solid hinge]

yeah

[spiral badge]

He has

Brb watching that

[worn ledge]

In bf1, what's the difference between gewehr 95 and 98

[dense bone]

3

[solid hinge]

iirc one has more mags and slower fire rate and the other has less mags and faster fire rate

[zealous void]

speed

[solid hinge]

@worn ledge 95 doesnt need to scoope out to cock the bolt back

[raw narwhal]

95 can't oneshot, doesn't have a sweetspot, has a faster straight pull action and a lot less velocity compared to 98

[solid hinge]

do you guys think the will add yugoslavia in bf V as we are supposed to explore the not so popular fronts of ww 2

?

[spiral badge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn ledge]

For med distance sniping, smle or Russian 1895

[raw narwhal]

SMLE has a closer sweetspot than 1895

[solid hinge]

russian 1895 all day evry day

[restive talon]

nece al jednog dana se nadam

[raw narwhal]

though that depends on your definition of med range

[restive talon]

@solid hinge

[solid hinge]

da

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 G95 is dumb participation trophy gun that's rendered useless by the Ross

BF1 G98 is best long range BA

[solid hinge]

@midnight nimbus maybe is useless for you i mean people have thoer prefrences

[dense bone]

@solid hinge wait, slrs 1 shot hs up close?

[solid hinge]

nope

I wish

[green elm]

g95 is the fastest fire rate bolt action it has its uses

[dense bone]

they should make it ohk up close for slrs

i would play the shit out of that

[solid hinge]

That would be way better

Super close range headshot hunting

[dense bone]

why would you go for hs when body shot kills in same time frame?

[green elm]

the satisfaction

[spiral badge]

RIP

[solid hinge]

At the moment there's literally no reason to headshot on slrs

[green elm]

but

[midnight nimbus]

@solid hinge all facts, no opinions

[spiral badge]

Gun jesus says nothing about how the MP28 was held

[midnight nimbus]

why use G95 when Ross exists

[dense bone]

ok so i thought they would ohk up close hs so that answers some questions

[midnight nimbus]

ZH and 1906 can I think

[dense bone]

is 1906 sebalt?

i hate that gun

dont like how it feels at all

[midnight nimbus]

nvm no it can't

needs 59 max damage to OHSK

only does 54

[dense bone]

horse shit

[mossy drum]

Jackfrags is cool

[dense bone]

what are stats on zh?

everyone says its good

but they said the same about sebalt and i dont like the sebalt

the only slr i like so far is model 8

[midnight nimbus]

ZH is a worse 1906 with the option for better reload

if you keep shit RoF

[dense bone]

so theres an option for zh for better rof?

[midnight nimbus]

yeah 150 up to 163

1906 is 163 default

both are 2-2 BTK

[dense bone]

so sounds like model 8 is still best for aggressive recon

[little fjord]

Wew, new tow rifle works really well,.. assault ag m42

[spiral badge]

Are you from the future

[little fjord]

😈

I'm looking forward to it

Not that assault needs another good weapon

[spiral badge]

Never heard of it tbh, doesn't look interesting either

[dense bone]

is it already available to unlock?

[steep radish]

@little fjord they already have enough variety of weapons though

[little fjord]

I wish I know what time next tow starts

[steep radish]

Im stupid I read that wrong

[spiral badge]

It starts tomorrow

[little fjord]

Yeah hehe

What time tho

[spiral badge]

Tomorrow : )

[steep radish]

They need to buff tanks

[little fjord]

😕

[dense bone]

yay, another semi for assault

[steep radish]

they’re fucking weak in tank battles

[little fjord]

🤷

[dense bone]

when they gonna give some medic love

[spiral badge]

How about some medic gun variety

Yeah

There are 5 new guns and none of them are for medics

I mean what the fuck

[steep radish]

SmG’s ArE eNoUgH uR jUsT bAd

[dense bone]

the class that needs new guns

everything else has a good variety

[steep radish]

Except the medic

no fucking versatility at all

[dense bone]

thats why they lost a medic main

[midnight nimbus]

AG m/42 is really good

[little fjord]

I actually made the church gun carrier work on panzerstorm... It's like a tank sniper... but if infantry get within 50m you're dead

[dense bone]

(i was a medic main)

[midnight nimbus]

top gun if you can click fast

[steep radish]

@little fjord Kewl but

[spiral badge]

Also I like how assaults/supports are good at close, medium and long range and recons at medium to long

[little fjord]

I bet medic will get some love next overture

[steep radish]

Then again in my experience the tank battles are extremely weak in comparison to infantry

[spiral badge]

But then medics only to close, some would argue medium range with some of their guns

[midnight nimbus]

two new weapon types for medic

[steep radish]

When it comes to tank battles because it takes like 5+ fucking shells

[midnight nimbus]

not that it changes anything

[steep radish]

To kill a single tank

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 isn't a bad long range option

[spiral badge]

And then someone suggests a longer range medic gun and everyone collectively loses their shit

[little fjord]

My kill rate with Thompson is pretty good

[spiral badge]

MP34

[little fjord]

But medic needs a little more... not alot

[spiral badge]

long range

Medium at best

[midnight nimbus]

uhhhh top hitrate

[little fjord]

34 is my second fav

[midnight nimbus]

beating StG, KE7, etc.

[spiral badge]

Tap firing that thing up to long range, you'll do very little damage

[midnight nimbus]

why are you tapping it

full auto

[spiral badge]

You can't with a straight face claim that it hits long range full auto 😂

[midnight nimbus]

it can

like no recoil

0.22 max spread

minimal hrec with upgrades

[solid hinge]

The gun carrier sucks ass

[spiral badge]

I'll believe medium

[midnight nimbus]

<=540 RPM = hold LMB

[fading gyro]

Seeing chatter that the 34 is better than the mp40 even

[spiral badge]

Same RPM as the MP40

[midnight nimbus]

even lower

which is woke

[spiral badge]

No

540 exactly

[midnight nimbus]

514

for MP34

[spiral badge]

That 26 RPM really makes a difference huh

[midnight nimbus]

in the spread formula, yes

consistent 7 frames between shots

[steep radish]

cancer

do you want a sprite cranberry

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 with high velocity bullets is also woke

since velocity is really the SMGs' limiting factor at range

[spiral badge]

Even if it's accurate up to "long" range, whatever that is to you, any competent player with any other class can do better

[midnight nimbus]

well duh

[spiral badge]

Unless they're using shotguns on support maybe

[midnight nimbus]

didn't say medic is a good ranged class, MP34 is just good at long range

[spiral badge]

You were beating STGs and KE7s a while ago

[midnight nimbus]

not the best

but good

[spiral badge]

So I was just checking

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, you can beat StG and KE7 at range

not Bren/Ribey

[spiral badge]

??

[midnight nimbus]

Bren/Ribey match it in hitrate, beat it in damage* lol

danminigun has good MP34 footage

[rain dove]

is there anyway to get rid of a spec? turns out i dont really like the paradropped land mines on the stuka

matter of fact if i could respec the whole tree i would

[soft storm]

You can

You must get level 4 on it first tho

[dense bone]

wtf is your profile pic...

[rain dove]

ah, shame

[soft storm]

It’s easy, drop the mines at tank spawns

[spiral badge]

Forgive me if I remain skeptical

[rain dove]

oh thats toxic

[soft storm]

Niccaman has a video on that exact thing

[rain dove]

yeah i know i saw

[spiral badge]

I would love to test it but the goddamn range doesn't let me specialize

Thanks, DICE

[broken bone]

are medics in a bad spot atm or what? i seem to lose almost every single 1v1

[soft storm]

I’ve got every vehicle leveled up besides a few, the trick is to not spec into anything that changes the entire thing vehicle until you’re level 4

[spiral badge]

@broken bone Playable, but could use buffs

[dense bone]

@broken bone ive played assault, medic, and recon. i thought recon was in a bad spot but i played them recently and my stats are better than my medic stats

medics are really only GOOD at cqb

but even then they are beat by shotguns, and can be challenged by other guns

so they arent the best at anything really

[spiral badge]

I'm trying both Sten and MP34 unspecced and Sten just feels way more controllable to me

[broken bone]

i played pretty much only medic in bf1 with like 2 kd/a but im really struggling in bfv

[dense bone]

their revive and health are huge though

[broken bone]

like enemy needs 5 or 6 bullets i need 2 or 3

[spiral badge]

They're not necessarily even good at close range though, depending on your gun

[dense bone]

true

suomi and thompson are good close

medic imo are the hardest clase to play

since they dont have much options

[spiral badge]

You also have the most stuff to do, arguably

[dense bone]

you gotta know how to navigate the map

[solid hinge]

...you can't test pistols in the firing range?

that's weird

[spiral badge]

Yeah, range is lackluster

[solid hinge]

the firing range SUCKS

absolute waste of time

[spiral badge]

Also whoever said just full auto the MP34 at longer ranges... rapid tap-firing is clearly faster to kill with

[minor jacinth]

It dosent matter which SMG u have

if the enemy has a assault rifle, and KE7 or a STG 44

you will lose

thats why I flank them

or just attack form behiind

[dense bone]

you CAN win with smgs at range, but i wouldnt chance it

[minor jacinth]

Well

@spiral badge tab fire best

Im jus tunhappy with the SMG headshot dmg on long range

sometimes I takes like 4 headshots with the smg to kill someone

[midnight nimbus]

@spiral badge full auto with MP34 at range with full right spec

[solid hinge]

It's ok getting hit in the face 3 times with an mp40 20 metres away clearly wouldn't be fatal

Your brain will recover

[minor jacinth]

Yes

[midnight nimbus]

tap fire is dumb gay when you have full right tree

[spiral badge]

Disagree

[midnight nimbus]

full accuracy specs make it an idiot trap

because your max spread is so hilariously low

opportunity cost of full auto is real low

unupgraded MP34 sucks though

[spiral badge]

I've used both the Sten and the MP40 extensively with full right and I refuse to believe that the 34 is so much more accurate that it can full auto reliably kill at long range

[midnight nimbus]

do you have MP34 with the upgrades?

[spiral badge]

No, otherwise I'd be testing it, but the dumb range doesn't let you spec

[midnight nimbus]

you do realize the guns are balanced around the upgraded versions

[spiral badge]

I'm comparing unspecced versions

[midnight nimbus]

and not the upgraded ones

[spiral badge]

Yes

[midnight nimbus]

unspecced comparison is worthless

all guns are shit without upgrades

[spiral badge]

The point is that I can't test specced so I'm testing unspecced and having used 2 out of 3 of them fully specced and the stats being fairly similar, I refuse to believe it's that much more accurate

[midnight nimbus]

just varying degrees of shit

[minor jacinth]

the suomi is a beast

but

It sucks on range

[spiral badge]

That'd just make the 34 significantly better than either of the 2 and I've heard no one say that

[dense bone]

suomi was my first main, that thing is TRASH at range ads

[midnight nimbus]

well yeah, ofc an unspecced gun is shit compared to specced ones

MP34 is atrocious without upgrades

[spiral badge]

No -.-

I'm comparing all 3 unspecced

At the range, because it won't allow specs

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 is like the worst gun in the game unspecced

[spiral badge]

How convenient

[midnight nimbus]

its upgrades are super strong

accuracy buff and stendo mag next to each other

[dense bone]

i thought suomi was supposed to be the worst unspecced and got good upgrades...

[minor jacinth]

Suomi is good in CC

[dense bone]

suomi is great cqc

[midnight nimbus]

Suomi is still passable unspecced

[minor jacinth]

or when you know you will only fight on flags

[midnight nimbus]

bc it's still good at SMGing

[spiral badge]

So how come the MP34 is supposedly godawful unusable crap at unspecced while the stats are almost EXACTLY the same as the Sten

🤔

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 full right is for non-SMGing and MP34 can't do non SMG things without buffs

[solid hinge]

I got left tree suomi

[dense bone]

ew

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 stats aren't that similar to Sten

[dense bone]

ayla...

[solid hinge]

i think the hipfire is actually more accurate than the sights

[spiral badge]

not that similar

What

[solid hinge]

i thought the tommy would be better with a 50 mag..

[spiral badge]

I will screenshot it if you like

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 is dissimilar to every other SMG

[minor jacinth]

I had the feeling the Mp34 hipfire

is slightly better

then the Sten

[midnight nimbus]

stop reading the bars in game

[dense bone]

i use full right suomi

[midnight nimbus]

they mean nothing

read stats instead

[solid hinge]

im definitely changing to that once I get it fully speccee

if only there was an option to read the stats

[spiral badge]

Do you have numbers to link to me?

[solid hinge]

[midnight nimbus]

or actually this one

http://bfdata.juhala.io/misc/bfv_overture_05122018.html

[dense bone]

@solid hinge what does left tree come with?

i know increased rof

[midnight nimbus]

left tree MP34 is rapid fire and hipfire buffs

[dense bone]

and better hipfire accuracy

[midnight nimbus]

LLLR or RRRR for MP34

[solid hinge]

Slings and swivels and recoil buffer

[spiral badge]

Couldn't have any worse formatting to make it really fucking terrible for comparison?

[midnight nimbus]

it's a data dump

[solid hinge]

I figured quick aim would be like

useless

[midnight nimbus]

quick aim is good

crutch on semis imo

[solid hinge]

Oh I love it on almost every gun

[midnight nimbus]

0.66x ADS time

[solid hinge]

But the left tree suomi

Not so good

[spiral badge]

Any notable stat differences you care to share

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, not super important on SMGs imo

[spiral badge]

Or do you want me to go over this whole goddamn thing

With mostly the same stats at a quick glance 🤔

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 is 514 RPM, 7BTK end, and has good hrec

better hrec rather

best in class

540 -> 514 is pretty important when you talk 24/7 SDEC

[spiral badge]

Must've imagined the Sten being easier to control...

[midnight nimbus]

Sten has low vrec acceleration

it's designed for tards

easy to use

[spiral badge]

Oh okay, ad hominem while at it

👍

[solid hinge]

would LLLR suomi be the ultimate hipfire gun

[midnight nimbus]

not adhom, it's literally designed for tards in general

easy to use

not good at anything

it's actually just a bad MP40

[spiral badge]

Accurate as fuck

What

[midnight nimbus]

less accurate than MP40

[spiral badge]

They have almost identical stats

But okay

[midnight nimbus]

Sten has more hrec

less accurate

[spiral badge]

The fuck is hrec

[midnight nimbus]

horizontal recoil

[dense bone]

@solid hinge depends what you want

[midnight nimbus]

Sten is a shit MP40 with better velocity

[spiral badge]

Feels exactly the same but okay...

Numbers say there's a tiny difference so I guess there is, regardless of if it's actually noticeable

[solid hinge]

i want the ultimate hipfire gun

[midnight nimbus]

feels similar, performs worse

@solid hinge Thompson > Suomi for hipfire imo

[spiral badge]

Again, can't be much worse since I noticed no difference

[dense bone]

@solid hinge if you are flanking and coming up aginst a bunch of people i would suggest going right tree for ext mag

[spiral badge]

But what do I know, I'm just a tard using a Sten which is bad at everything

[dense bone]

hipfire is good at default for suomi

[spiral badge]

Easy to use but bad at everything..

[midnight nimbus]

it's not that much worse, but Sten is designed as an ease of use gun

just like RSC for scout, relatively speaking

it's a shit AL8

[spiral badge]

And the MP40 which is VERY similar isn't?

[solid hinge]

Oh I'm definitely respeccing into right tree, the suomi fucking sucks with rapid fire

[midnight nimbus]

just easier to use

MP40 is still relatively shit imo

just use MP34

[solid hinge]

I just wanted to know what the ultimate hipfire gun would be

Whether it's actually usable or not

[spiral badge]

Not like it's one of the more accurate SMGs

[midnight nimbus]

you give up a bit of CQB for way better ranged ability

[dense bone]

i did full right tree suomi and even then the hipfire is accurate and shreds

[midnight nimbus]

and both MP34 and 40 suck up close anyways

[solid hinge]

Yeah fuck the left tree

[spiral badge]

Excuse me if I remain skeptical

[solid hinge]

I only might take slings and swivels but even that is dodgy

[spiral badge]

Rather not put down hard earned CC on what seems like a clone so I guess I'll never know

[midnight nimbus]

right Tommy > right Suomi

left Tommy < left Suomi

[dense bone]

i havent gotten the tommy yet

[spiral badge]

And Sten or MP40 if you want to kill anything past 5 feet

[dense bone]

so no idea

[midnight nimbus]

7BTK end vs 8BTK end for MP34 vs every other SMG

or just use Brazilian strat if you really wanna enjoy medic

[spiral badge]

OR

You could use whichever gun you like

[midnight nimbus]

that's where Brazilian strat comes in

I don't wanna use any SMG

[broken bone]

whats brazillian strat

[midnight nimbus]

modified Brazilian strat

wait for an enemy to throw a nade

rethrow it at your teammates

hope one of them has a Turner

[solid hinge]

this strat won't work the enemy never throws frags

three shot kill at close range makes the Turner terrifying

[midnight nimbus]

then you gotta go in and kill enemies and pick something up

killing off kit swap was unexpectedly woke

[solid hinge]

pick up medic to res a friend

that was fun

it was domination for those objective assignments right?

[spiral badge]

I've gone over halfway through this list

And so far the only differences are that Sten has slightly less recoil/spread in various directions

Are you taking the piss

[tiny tulip]

hey there guys, do you guys also encounter this (bfv console): https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/a9qvov/very_bad_rendering_and_texture_popping_on_console/

[spiral badge]

Oh hey, MP34 has a tiny bit less damage drop off, competely unrelated to accuracy

[midnight nimbus]

Sten has more hrec

[spiral badge]

No

It has less

[solid hinge]

https://gfycat.com/FlawlessDimKoodoo

[midnight nimbus]

0.4 total for unupgraded MP34

[solid hinge]

wish there were more players like that on pc

[midnight nimbus]

oh wait lol they buffed Sten from base

still more spread

you need to work the formula to find per bullet spread

higher RoF = always more spread

SDEC accelerates too, and heavily favors low RoF

less spread + better end BTK

[spiral badge]

And SDEC stands for..?

[midnight nimbus]

spread decrease

[spiral badge]

Of course

[midnight nimbus]

BFV stats are not community friendly

BF stats before were easy to understand and still too hard for the community

[dense bone]

i feel like how much you read into stats and numbers you should pro a this game @midnight nimbus

[spiral badge]

Still not finding differences besides Sten having like 0.01 less recoil/spread sideways and even less upwards 🤔

[midnight nimbus]

BFV stats require actual math

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MP34 has less dmg drop off

And of course the RPM

[midnight nimbus]

little differences in numbers = big differences in the field

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But there are no differences that make the MP34 more accurate...

[midnight nimbus]

RoF alone does so

it gets more spread decrease

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I've yet to find the other claims like hrec and what have you

[midnight nimbus]

the genius of BFV finally using 2000s era game mechanics

24/7 SDEC is woke

[dense bone]

imo only thing that matters is how fast the ttk is and if you can use it to that potential

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Does the 34 have an extended mag?

[midnight nimbus]

spread and hrec dictate TTK very heavily

yeah

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Up to?

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MP34 gets stendo with accuracy buffs

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mang learn to Google

[dense bone]

ttk is optimal, it only dictates if youre not landing shots

[midnight nimbus]

not landing shots = affects TTK

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Why would I google when Discord is open right here and I know you have the answer