battlefield-legacy-titles

[midnight nimbus]

yes

[proven pagoda]

the bullets don't deviate

[midnight nimbus]

up to a certain range

BFV works the same exact way

[upbeat cypress]

Spitfire or Bf109?!

[proven pagoda]

what do you mean or

[midnight nimbus]

spread works off simple trig

[upbeat cypress]

Which better

[proven pagoda]

both do different stuff

no way to say which is better

[upbeat cypress]

Ok

Is it just me or BF109 is better

[compact oxide]

The Ribey is better

[old karma]

How badly am i gonna get fucked by ping if i play at roughly 200? Im planning on playing with a mate from the UK (im in Aus) and we're gonna use a US server as a middle ground so we're not on 340 ping or somethin

[midnight nimbus]

Ribey was OP for awhile in BF1 before it got its last hrec nerf

no one caught on though

BFV Ribey is really good

[amber notch]

@compact oxide

[midnight nimbus]

like a top 3 gun

[compact oxide]

@old karma I couldn't stand when I played with a us mate at 170 on Japanese servers

But that's me

[midnight nimbus]

Ribey outclasses StG and SG 1-5 past 35-40m

which is really close for what it is

StG needs buffs to push that out to 50m

[compact oxide]

I prefer to be good at range than close

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, with BFV maps I agree

[compact oxide]

You can make up in close but range is up to the gun

[midnight nimbus]

which is why Ribey is so stupid good

[proven pagoda]

@old karma real fucked in my experience

[midnight nimbus]

0.22 max spread 😂😂😂

[proven pagoda]

SG 1-5 seems too strong specifically in comparison to the STg44

maybe I'm wrong

but it feels that way

[midnight nimbus]

it's like M16A3 microbursting on people

[dusky saffron]

why use those guns when you can just use the turner

[compact oxide]

@amber notch lol

[midnight nimbus]

SG 1-5 sucks

[dusky saffron]

🙃

[midnight nimbus]

it's a Frenchman gun

Turner is gud

[proven pagoda]

Are we talking about the same gun?

[dusky saffron]

everytime I see a turner user

I die

[midnight nimbus]

SG 1-5 actually just sucks

[proven pagoda]

The Sturmgewehr ?

[midnight nimbus]

yes

[proven pagoda]

Did you mean to say it was french?

[midnight nimbus]

no its a Frenchman gun

[compact oxide]

The ribey is french

[proven pagoda]

what does that mean

[midnight nimbus]

as in use it if you're Relaaa

or drunkzze

but don't use it if you aren't

Turner is probably the best gun in the game

Turner is scary fucking good

[compact oxide]

SG 1-5 is a good all rounder imo

[dusky saffron]

it's a stronger gewehr

[midnight nimbus]

it's a meh all rounder

[old karma]

Relaaa is a freak of nature. There's no fun to be had playing against someone like him

[dusky saffron]

[midnight nimbus]

too much hrec for its RoF

if you have properly functioning fingers, I see no reason not to use Turner all the time

unless you need G43 in like Hamada

but Turner is still passable in 4BTK performance

[compact oxide]

If the Turner can be made similar to a fast Farquhar hill then I'm happy

[spiral badge]

Would you look at that, I went to Grand Ops and the enemy didn't even get near the fucking objectives

Those hipfire objective SMG kills really worked out

[midnight nimbus]

20 round Turner reloads are a bit annoying, but it's god tier

[compact oxide]

Sounds like you need to play breakthrough

@spiral badge

[midnight nimbus]

you have the hipfire to push SMGs with the bigmag Turner

right side Turner gets detachable mag, and 11 rounds is plenty

[compact oxide]

I'd probs go 11 rounds

[opaque cipher]

Detachable is very good

[compact oxide]

I'm used to the lower count

[midnight nimbus]

both are equally good

[opaque cipher]

Just slap one in on the fly

[midnight nimbus]

i'd lean towards bigmag bc you get competitive hipfire

[compact oxide]

The main problem with the Turner is it's not a medic gun

Therefore I won't use it much

[midnight nimbus]

semis should've gone to medic

[compact oxide]

Yup

[midnight nimbus]

stupid that they didn't

you need midrange guns to clear an area before going in for a revive

I don't wanna revive people in BFV because I can't reliably clear areas first

[compact oxide]

Instead I'm stuck with the MP34 for range

[opaque cipher]

Semi going to medic probably means one thing

And we all know what it is

[compact oxide]

Which is nice, but I'd like semis

[midnight nimbus]

ARs for assault, semis for medic, MGs for support, bolts for scout

SMGs can be all class with shotguns

[opaque cipher]

I see much more revives than alpha/beta and there’s always a medic around

And smokes in particular

My god the smokes are glorious

[compact oxide]

Smokes were good in bf1

[proven pagoda]

Still think BFV's tanks health is ridiculous when fighting other tanks

Just counted, took my Pz38t 8 shots to kill a Valentine

[dusky saffron]

y i k e s

they need to adjust that

[proven pagoda]

Imagine trying to shoot something heavier

Is the Valentine considered a light or a medium in this game?

[opaque cipher]

Valentines are stupid

Hit front? 8 damage+ricochet

Turret? Ricochet

Side? We’re looking at less than 20

Wtf is this a heavy tank?

[proven pagoda]

its better armored than the Pz38t

so makes some sense

[compact oxide]

Just make it world of tanks damage

Problem solved

[opaque cipher]

I had two German baby tanks and a Tiger shooting me once as a Valentine

One at front two at side

[old karma]

Ok so yeah I can basically go fuck myself if I wanna play with anyone outside of Australia

[opaque cipher]

I still killed a full health baby tank before I died

[old karma]

Holy shit that was bad

[compact oxide]

@old karma yup

I know the pain mate

[spiral badge]

Massive waste of time

[opaque cipher]

Bruh

[old karma]

I swear like 3/5 of my bullets didnt even register

[opaque cipher]

Us kiwi

[old karma]

I swear to god I didnt have this issue in BF1 or BF4

[opaque cipher]

There is no hope without rent a server

[old karma]

Like I played with American mates all the time in BF1

[compact oxide]

I tried it in BF1 and almost got MVP both games but it was unenjoyable

[old karma]

no issues

[compact oxide]

It alleviates the TTD issues

[old karma]

BFV straight up just kicks you in the balls

[dusky saffron]

no u

[compact oxide]

If you've watched the battlenonsense vid it explains it

[old karma]

yeah but from what I gathered in that I just had to basically aim slightly ahead of my target if its moving

but straight up half my shots dont even register

Ah well, guess I can always just stick to Siege or somethin

[amber notch]

just defended a rock like my life depended on it

[old karma]

[compact oxide]

Did it?

[old karma]

Probably

[amber notch]

buzzsaw as assault

op

[old karma]

[amber notch]

OH FFS

Infinite loading screen

fucking bullshit

[compact oxide]

What gadgets you use mate?

[old karma]

How the f do you even get 'trusted'

Is it like some sort of fucking black magic ritual

[amber notch]

you must dm me

[compact oxide]

You beg morning time cloud

[old karma]

Do I need to catch a MewTwo

[amber notch]

saying im amazing

[old karma]

o ok

done

[amber notch]

[compact oxide]

Lol

[amber notch]

!trusted

wait

do we not have a tag

lemme make it

[compact oxide]

I don't think mods have access to give trusted is that correct?

Nope

[amber notch]

[trail flame]

[compact oxide]

Didn't think so

[old karma]

What even

[compact oxide]

So yup, just beg and whine to MTC

[amber notch]

do that and you get banned

watch

[compact oxide]

You gonna do it and post a screenie?

[old karma]

Im brave

but im not stupid

[trail flame]

real gamers are both

[dusky saffron]

rise up

[compact oxide]

Or ask 🅱eter I guess

[old karma]

That seems excessive

[compact oxide]

I don't think it's been totally implemented yet in how the role gets handed out?

Maybe we should give Devin the trusted role and he'd come back

[amber notch]

!trusted

[junior mist]

:information_source: Think of it like the cool kids table, you get to upload images to every channel, use the tags we have created on the server to continue helping out.
The trusted role is essentially a role the mods and admins vote on for specific users that have been active, resourceful, welcoming and level headed.
Any user can eventually have the trusted role regardless of past history on the server.

Note
Asking for trusted will not boost your chances of getting the role, we are always watching and we, the Moderators and Admins, will have a discussion if we feel as though you are ready for the role.

⭐

[amber notch]

@old karma

There you go

[shut brook]

I have no idea how I got the last tides of war achivment...

[compact oxide]

Thanks POW

[old karma]

weird

[amber notch]

@compact oxide also

[compact oxide]

You're a doll

[old karma]

but aiight

[amber notch]

go to #stats

for a second

what happened

[trail flame]

Does it involve the MG42

[amber notch]

buzzsaw is great for playing like an assault class

@trail flame

@solid hinge narvik is good

[sleek tartan]

Prone Mg42 is the worst cancer ever seen on bf and that's a big deal

[amber notch]

shhh

dont let dice know

[trail flame]

that implies the prone actually works

[amber notch]

it works if you dropshot

[compact oxide]

Doesn't need to work if you have 1200rpm

[trail flame]

hit the floor and deploy MG42 but the bipod doesn't work anyway and it won't let me shoot

[sleek tartan]

Had a guy yesterday on domination that literally went from prone place to prone place

[amber notch]

lol

[sleek tartan]

Didn't see him running all match long

[amber notch]

sounds like me

[trail flame]

happens like, 1/8 times and everytime it does it makes me ANGERY

[amber notch]

i use it as an assault weapon

its fucking good

[sleek tartan]

Then I hope your pc burns in the night with you in home

[amber notch]

like really good

[compact oxide]

Lol

[sleek tartan]

😬

[trail flame]

it's pretty poggers, though VGO seems to have more accuracy when running around with it

[amber notch]

walk in front of me

thats your fault

[trail flame]

not sure which I like more of the two

[amber notch]

dont want to be hit by 50 bullets in .5 of a second

dont play the game

[sleek tartan]

This gonna be like, don't buy the game one

[amber notch]

LOL

[sleek tartan]

People gonna be like "okay"

[amber notch]

Let them come

[sleek tartan]

Then we will see 😂

[amber notch]

[spiral badge]

Oh gooooodd

The kills don't carry over days anymore

[sleek tartan]

Centurion, if you are here, fuk you

[compact oxide]

They should add the Dubstep gun from Saints row as a squad callin

[amber notch]

so they did fix it

[spiral badge]

@amber notch Your shit doesn't work

[amber notch]

fuck you dice

mustve fixed it last patch

🤷

[compact oxide]

@spiral badge breakthrough then

[spiral badge]

Why can't there be a goddamn option in every assignment like "kill 60 people"

[amber notch]

yes play that nasty gamemode

[trail flame]

Breakthrough

[amber notch]

breakthrough is good

why you hating

[spiral badge]

And not this bullshit where you have to play in a dumb specific way, and god fucking forbid you get 19 out of 20

Start over

[amber notch]

[spiral badge]

Because fuck you

[compact oxide]

Almost every player is on an objective

[amber notch]

^

[trail flame]

literal trash in BFV, where's my screaming upon taking a sector

[sleek tartan]

Certainly not on dominatiob

Lol

[amber notch]

@trail flame drop a v1 on an obj

[sleek tartan]

Conquest and operations are for boomers

[amber notch]

you will hear them

[sleek tartan]

True bf players play domination or frontlines

😇

[spiral badge]

What

[compact oxide]

True bf players are still playing BF4

[spiral badge]

Not conquest, the most iconic and clearly the best gamemode?

Fucking domination

[sleek tartan]

Just dropped a bomb and now I'm gonna watch it go off

[trail flame]

true BFfrens play Bad Company 2

[spiral badge]

True BF players play whichever game they want

Except Hardline because that's objectively garbage

[amber notch]

hardline was good

I enjoyed it

[trail flame]

medic with LMGs again when

[sleek tartan]

Rofl

[trail flame]

[amber notch]

what

i did

[sleek tartan]

I just rofled at it

[amber notch]

just stopped playing after the third dlc

got bored

[sleek tartan]

😂

[amber notch]

[spiral badge]

I'm on breakthrough and it's a spawn camp fest

[sleek tartan]

On release it had one good map

[spiral badge]

How is this supposed to help

[sleek tartan]

The desert one

[amber notch]

ak47 gold

bank was good

[sleek tartan]

Disagree 😂

[amber notch]

dont even hate on bank

[sleek tartan]

Motel was nice tho

[amber notch]

i loved driving around in a car for the whole game

[sleek tartan]

Cars are for boomers too

I drove the sofa

[amber notch]

blasting music

was great

[sleek tartan]

Chopper was insanely op

But you could snipe him so easy

Omegarofl

[amber notch]

ak47

rpg

[sleek tartan]

And who doesn't remember k10 when it had a 3btk ttk?

Someone said most broken bf weapon ever?

Yes, sold!

[amber notch]

@sleek tartan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUiEqZDPIXY
And people playing this while driving around in a police car

or ratking

[sleek tartan]

Lol....

[spiral badge]

Breakthrough is working just great, being a medic and sitting around with a thumb up my ass because no enemies are actually getting to the point

This fucking assignment

[amber notch]

Or people played Run The Jewels

that was good shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-S9mtYowPY

[compact oxide]

I once took a flamer from 100-0 in a single clip of the heilregal before he could kill me

Face to face and one on one

[opaque cipher]

The real mega mind is trench raider

Absolutely fucking terrifying

[spiral badge]

That's another round of wasted time...

[compact oxide]

Unbalanced rounds will always break assignments

[spiral badge]

If only it didn't require the kills to be hipfire for no good reason... 🤔

Imagine if you could earn shit without having to play in a specific way

[compact oxide]

SMG's are real good for hipfire though

Like, better than pretty much everything else but shotties

[spiral badge]

Yes... some less than others, and still doesn't make sense why you must hipfire

It'd be great if I could just play the game normally, I'd get 20 kills in a round no problem

[compact oxide]

Eh, they are probs the only guns I can stand to hipfire with

It is a challenge for a reason

[spiral badge]

It's not a GOOD challenge though

[compact oxide]

Tbh imo they should've given you the gold skins at certain service star milestones

[spiral badge]

Or the challenges should be less shit or have more options

10 kills in one life is NOT an equal challenge to 20 kills in a round, and this one doesn't even have the "60 kills overall" one because ???

So if you're one short, you've just wasted your time and made zero progress

Not to mention the shit added on top, in this case "also they must be hipfire and also on an objective"

Would you look at that, STG44 mastery has the same objectives as Sten mastery, except it's just regular kills

And it beats a Sten at close range

🤔

[compact oxide]

Alternatively you could give up 🤷

Use the MP34 like us real chads 👌

[spiral badge]

using anything but Sten or MP40

[compact oxide]

Well there's your problem

Using the meta weapons and ignoring the better ones

I've had more enjoyment out of literally all the other SMG's than those two

[spiral badge]

The problem is the fucking assignments are not at all balanced between classes and weapons

[sleek tartan]

I don't want to be mean but not all assignments are made so that everyone can do them

That's the fun of it

[spiral badge]

What

[sleek tartan]

Yeah, those assignments are for the mastery skins

If everyone could do them easily

Why the duck would they be mastery

[spiral badge]

Are they really for the mastery skins

[sleek tartan]

Yes

Totally useless to gameplay

[spiral badge]

NO SHIT

[sleek tartan]

Or mastery to classes

[spiral badge]

I thought my sarcasm was obvious

My point being

Some assignments are just dumb and not actually good challenges

[sleek tartan]

So you are mad because mastery assignments are hard?

[spiral badge]

No

Because some masteries are way harder than others for no reason

[sleek tartan]

Give me one example please

I dont do them often since they are useless

[spiral badge]

STG44's mastery (and probably any other "assault rifle" is just objectively easier than various other weapon types for different classes

Because it's "kill X amount" whether on an objective, defending or w/e

Meanwhile with SMGs you have the same, except you HAVE to hipfire, LMGs you HAVE to use the bipod, and sniper rifles you HAVE to headshot

Why the fuck

[opaque cipher]

Bipod is not so bad

[spiral badge]

That's not the point

[opaque cipher]

Especially with upcoming bipod fix

[sleek tartan]

I'm pretty sure assault rifles require headshot too

[spiral badge]

They're objectively more difficult to varying degree

[opaque cipher]

SMG though

Hipfire

[spiral badge]

No they don't, semi rifles do

[opaque cipher]

While attacking a point

That’s worse than defending or killing enemy on obj

[sleek tartan]

Welp, then másteres for assault rifles are easier okay, should change those then

Not the others

[spiral badge]

Why not?

Why aren't all masteries just "kill with this gun"

[opaque cipher]

Make assault rifles harder

[spiral badge]

Why do they arbitrarily require special conditions

[sleek tartan]

Because thats easy

[opaque cipher]

[sleek tartan]

And they are not arbitrary also

[spiral badge]

You are literally the first person I've seen saying "make assignments harder"

[sleek tartan]

Strong points on lmgs is bipod

Strong points in carbines and snipers are headshot

Strong point on smg is hip fire

[spiral badge]

Have you ever used the Sten?

[sleek tartan]

It's trying to reward using them as intendes

[opaque cipher]

Make assault rifle mastery harder

[spiral badge]

It's not rewarding

[opaque cipher]

Make SMG easier

[spiral badge]

SMGs are not intended for hipfire only

LMGs are not intended for bipod only

[opaque cipher]

LMGs can be

[sleek tartan]

So what, you are not getting the point

It's their strong point by desing

[opaque cipher]

And MMG are designed exclusively for that

I play mostly MMG and it seems fine to me

[spiral badge]

SMG's strong point isn't hipfire though

[sleek tartan]

And masteries reward you for that

[spiral badge]

Have you used the slow RPM ones?

[opaque cipher]

Outside the railing mounting problems

[sleek tartan]

Yes I have used them

[spiral badge]

They're terrible at hipfiring, they're meant for accuracy

[sleek tartan]

And hip fire is the only thing that is stronger on them

[opaque cipher]

Depends tbh

[humble arrow]

ribeyrolles or sturmgewehr

[opaque cipher]

Some will actually block your reticle when hipfiring

[compact oxide]

The MP34 is the slowest and it's still great for hipfire

[sleek tartan]

They are not meant for accuracy wtf

[opaque cipher]

While Tommy and Suomi destroy

[spiral badge]

How are they not?

The Sten and MP40 are ridiculously accurate

[opaque cipher]

Again depends on the gun lol

[sleek tartan]

Because they are the only class that still has spreed increase

😂

[spiral badge]

Okay so the most accurate SMGs aren't designed to be accurate

🤔

[opaque cipher]

I mean, they kinda suck even for that

[sleek tartan]

Your name fits you well lol

[opaque cipher]

You’d get outgunned by any average AR or MG

[spiral badge]

Here comes the ad hominem

[compact oxide]

I still like the 34 for range tbh

[opaque cipher]

I’d say though for slower firing ones they should forgo the hipfire part

[compact oxide]

Not really

[opaque cipher]

Because they block your reticle when strafing

Until that’s fixed it can go away

[spiral badge]

They should remove the extra conditions from all masteries

[sleek tartan]

Listen, even the most accurate smg is weaker than any other class but pistols in accuracy, the intended strong point on them is 100% not accuracy, no matter if they are the ones most accurate in the class.

[opaque cipher]

[sleek tartan]

And no, they should not remove them imho

[compact oxide]

Even when hipfiring you're still hitting most bullets

[spiral badge]

Yes, and then you get outdamaged by shotguns, MMGs, the KEK-7 and most assault rifles

[sleek tartan]

There are clear benefits of being able to hip fire well

You move way faster

[midnight nimbus]

@sleek tartan is partially right, strong point of SMGs is hipfire

[sleek tartan]

It's not just pure dps that matters

[compact oxide]

Getting outgunned buy shotguns? Who wudda thought?

[spiral badge]

Well yeah they're good at hipfiring

[midnight nimbus]

that's how you beat ARs and LMGs

but the accurate SMGs are very accurate

[torpid rivet]

I once hipfired a headshot with my sniper. He was so far away, I didn't know he was there until it showed that he died

[spiral badge]

Why does the class that only has close range weapons not even have another close range weapon type?

[midnight nimbus]

0.06 base

[opaque cipher]

Depends on the LMG though

[spiral badge]

Why are they on Support?

[opaque cipher]

FG42, KE7

[midnight nimbus]

MP34 has like 0.21 max spread

[opaque cipher]

Great hipfire machines

[spiral badge]

Just because they're better at hipfiring than most weapons, doesn't mean you don't get outgunned by a lot of things

[sleek tartan]

Medics are intended to be a support class in this game

[spiral badge]

Especially with the slow RPM SMGs

[sleek tartan]

That's by design decision

[midnight nimbus]

hipfire maxed FG42 still isn't that good

compared to SMGs

[sleek tartan]

You can agree or disagree

But it's what it is

[spiral badge]

That's great but you're way beyond the fucking point now

[opaque cipher]

Yeah because the spread increase

@spiral badge bruh

It’s a legit point

[spiral badge]

The point is the extra class conditions are retarded

[midnight nimbus]

your hipfire falls apart at 10-15m for hipfire buffed AR/LMG

[opaque cipher]

Look back to BF4 support

Your guns are shit

[midnight nimbus]

SMGs with hipfire buff are good to 20-25m

[opaque cipher]

You try to run and gun and the spread goes astronomical

[midnight nimbus]

nah BF4 support had good guns

[opaque cipher]

You literally cannot fight with them

Or use a carbine

[midnight nimbus]

RPK was borderline broken

[sleek tartan]

They are not, they are to you. Requiring headshot to snipers and carbines and hip fire kills for smg makes total sense to me

[opaque cipher]

Or mag fed LMG

[compact oxide]

The only time I'd say the conditions are awful is the headshots for self loading rifles as the ttk is the same when hitting head or body

[opaque cipher]

The belt fed ones

[spiral badge]

"They are not, they are to you"

[midnight nimbus]

just run ergo grip on BF4 MG

[spiral badge]

So in my opinion they are, but that's just invalid?

[opaque cipher]

I do

You notice that the third shot goes sideways

[sleek tartan]

All opinions are valid, but you are demanding something and I am not

[opaque cipher]

And then the fourth will finally hit

[spiral badge]

It'll only make sense if ARs get an extra condition as well

[midnight nimbus]

just micro burst in BF4 lol

[spiral badge]

Even then it's iffy

[sleek tartan]

I said they should

[opaque cipher]

Less noticeable on the slowest firing ones and mag fed ones

[spiral badge]

Rather remove it from all of them

[opaque cipher]

Yeah, I do two round bursts

But when I use a carbine I can just full auto

[spiral badge]

Because "mastery" should not require you to exclusively use your weapon in a specific way

[opaque cipher]

Almost no downsides at mid range

[spiral badge]

That makes no sense

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 LMGs have the same SIPS/SDEC as equivalent ARs and carbines

[opaque cipher]

Yet LMGs would miss if I try to fire more than two shots

[midnight nimbus]

just shit move spread

and hipfire

they're just clunky bigmag ARs

[opaque cipher]

Yeah, and you don’t really want to stand and shoot do you

[spiral badge]

Why instead of just getting an X amount of kills with my gun, does "mastering" it involve using it in one specific way

Please explain that to me

[sleek tartan]

You should be kind of using that because as said they are based on their strong points, and because it's intended to be a challenge

Not a simple task

For you to just go and do

[opaque cipher]

And when you move your spread gets pretty bad

[sleek tartan]

That's the whole idea of it. And sometimes taking it even further and adding more conditions

Like getting 20 headhsots on an objective area

[icy sluice]

In one life

[spiral badge]

^ especially retarded

[opaque cipher]

You can see how potent the LMGs of BF4 are suppose to be if their moving spread wasn’t so bad with the Lewis @midnight nimbus

Just able to hose down range and keep everyone’s heads down, not necessarily needing to kill especially with how slow it fires. That’s the tradeoff I should have with a slow RPM, needing more BTK/longer TTK, not butcher my fighting chance while moving completely

[spiral badge]

You are required to hit a very small part of the body as one class, no one else is

How is that okay

[sleek tartan]

Rofl

[spiral badge]

The assignments are ridiculously unbalanced between classes/guns

Also recon proficiency 3 requires you to complete all 3 objectives, while mastery doesn't

Whether or not that's intended, I don't know but I saw someone defending that as well

Makes no goddamn sense either

[sleek tartan]

I don't think you get the whole idea 💡 f challenges, you see them as a must have

[spiral badge]

Not at all true

All I'm saying is some of them are unreasonably difficult in comparison, for no good reason

[sleek tartan]

If they were a requirement then it would make sense to try to have them balanced by skill and how hard they are to get

[warm hawk]

ok guys, whats the reason why people play the karg jorgensen? its much worse than other guns, isnt it?

[sleek tartan]

But the whole point is literally to set a challenge

[opaque cipher]

Bipod

[spiral badge]

So because they're optional it's okay to have a fucked balance

[opaque cipher]

Also cool reload

[spiral badge]

🤔

Also, to set a challenge is okay

[compact oxide]

@warm hawk Fast followup, nice recoil impulse and good specialisations

[sleek tartan]

Your perception on how "retarded the balance is" is also quite subjective

[spiral badge]

The problem is not all of them are well designed challenges

[sleek tartan]

I'm just trying to avoid ad hominem lol

[opaque cipher]

It’s a flashy sideways flap you open to load rounds in @warm hawk

Gives you a lot of style points

[compact oxide]

You need to hit heads with the Krag though otherwise you may as well use a self loading

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 MG with ergo hbar has comparable move spread to ARs

and BFV move spread is a joke

[spiral badge]

It's not subjective that they are not balanced though

[opaque cipher]

Not with my experience tbh @midnight nimbus

[spiral badge]

It's objectively easier to do assault rifle challenges than say, semi rifle challenges

[sleek tartan]

But your perception on how much is

[opaque cipher]

I get the same while using Scar DMR/EMR

[sleek tartan]

And how relevant it is too

[opaque cipher]

It’s really weird to see two shots hit then the third land next to their leg/arm

And then I die because a shot misses

VS carbines where I can full auto away thanks to the RoF and get better results

[midnight nimbus]

facts vs feels mang

[spiral badge]

I dunno about that, there's a pretty damn big difference between being able to just pick 20 ppl off an objective area

[compact oxide]

IMO it's objectively easy to get the smg mastery's vs the sniper ones, but I can't aim so 🤷

[spiral badge]

And having to get close enough to hipfire them and then also get the kill with a slow RPM gun

[warm hawk]

@compact oxide the kar has the better specialisations in my opinion

thats why im asking

[compact oxide]

@midnight nimbus facts don't care about your feelings?

[opaque cipher]

I played with ARs slightly and it feels like carbines but bigger

[spiral badge]

Oh yeah I've no doubt the hipfire kills are easier than headshots, but AR kills are also easier than either of those

Because it doesn't matter how you kill

You also have far better range with ARs

[midnight nimbus]

3rd shot strafing isn't too bad for BF4 MGs either

[opaque cipher]

Idk

[safe patio]

What's zeroing distance?

[compact oxide]

@warm hawk The kar has the exact same specs?

[midnight nimbus]

also remember that spread increase is linear too in that game

[warm hawk]

@compact oxide i just checked it. the specialisations are 100% the same. seems like in the end its up to you if you want to have more dmg, or faster rate of fire

[opaque cipher]

I really see it, even when stationary

[spiral badge]

If you zero at 150 and fire, your round will hit exactly on the crosshair at 150 meters

[opaque cipher]

The third shot always misses

[midnight nimbus]

BF4 carbines make me sad too, carbines should be like BFV left tree spec ARs

[safe patio]

Oh

[compact oxide]

Plus the Krag is just nicer for those faster followups

[midnight nimbus]

standing, BF4 MGs have the same exact accuracy of comparable ARs

[compact oxide]

Yeah

[opaque cipher]

I’ve become traumatized by the third shot spread that I impulsively tapfire

[warm hawk]

@compact oxide faster followups = higher rate of fire?

(dunno the exact meaning of that word :))

[opaque cipher]

So idk what your experience/testing is like

But it’s really bad for me

[compact oxide]

@warm hawk faster rate of fire but it also just feels faster than other bolts to get it back on target. Might just be recoil

[snow crater]

Any1 have any idea what combined arms will be

[midnight nimbus]

BF1/BFV have far superior spread curves to BF3/4

[snow crater]

Sorry if its not something new im new to the franchise

[warm hawk]

@compact oxide well... for me it feels the same because the rate of fire is low on both guns, so you need to get back on target anyways

but now i got the difference. rof vs dmg

[compact oxide]

I think the Kar has less drop too

[warm hawk]

maybe, but you will get used to it, so its not a point to discuss imho

[compact oxide]

Saying that's better for range really

It appears from my mates that they like the Krag for medium and the Kar for long

[warm hawk]

yea but you get used to it i think. sure, when you switch between kar and krag all the time, its hard. but when you stick to one gun, you will get used to the drop

[compact oxide]

I use the M95 as I need all the body damage I can get for the quickscope and pistol finisher

[warm hawk]

i played the m95 alot too, but i prefer those bolt action rifles with the spec of higher round velocity

[compact oxide]

Don't need velocity if they're 10m away

[warm hawk]

haha yea thats right, but i like those long range snipingshots

[lusty flare]

So it sayes I got 2000 company coins and in the armory I atill have 845...

What the hell

[compact oxide]

Yeah if you like range then I'd reccomend the Krag or Kar

[midnight nimbus]

all sniper rifles share the same drop

only BF4 had different gravity values

[compact oxide]

Wasn't that a thing in BF1 also?

It was literally in the description of the M1903 that it had less drop

[warm hawk]

i would be really surprised when every sniper in bf5 has the same drop

[sleek tartan]

Bf1 has different gravity values for many weapons

Including different snipers

[midnight nimbus]

no, 1903 had a better drag coefficient

iirc, gravity value was a constant in BF1

[tribal ledge]

What I can remember all rifles had same gravity droo

[sleek tartan]

Check it yourself on symthic

[midnight nimbus]

but 1903 drag coefficient barely even helps

[tribal ledge]

In BF1

[midnight nimbus]

G98 has less drop at <300m due to better velocity

[tribal ledge]

I swear to God sniper rifles in BF V have different gravity and drag

Like I can't hit a god damned thing with the Jörgen

But the German rifle I hit easily everything

Like, I'm not making this up

[midnight nimbus]

BFV high velocity bullets change drag and velocity values

[tribal ledge]

Same with the ZH-29 and RSC.

[midnight nimbus]

@sleek tartan all BF1 snipers share the same drop value

[tribal ledge]

I can consistently hit with the ZH but I miss my shots all the time with the RSC

[midnight nimbus]

12m/s^2

0.0025 drag for everything but the 1903

[tribal ledge]

1903 is longer range, isn't it?

Doesn't the Martini Henry have a different bullet curve too?

Or maybe that was just the bullet velocity

I can't remember

[midnight nimbus]

no just shit velocity

so big gay how BFV cucked BA velocity

500 m/s SMLE 😂😂😂

[sleek tartan]

But 12m/s^2 is not the value across the board

[midnight nimbus]

yes it is

[sleek tartan]

You are right for snipers

But not the rest of weapons

I initially thought it wasn't neithter for snipers but that's a bf4 thing

[midnight nimbus]

everything in BF1 is 12m/s^2

BFV has different values per class

I think

[red pulsar]

A car beside me I swear was playing music from Battlefield on their radio

Had to be lol

[sleek tartan]

I would have swore some weapons had 9,8m/s^2

People keep saying bf has no drop

Reality is its using a 20% more gravity than rl

[solid hinge]

the krag has naturally faster bullets doesn't it?

I don't have higher velocity on the krag or the m95 but the krag certainly feels like I'm hitting targets faster

[sleek tartan]

10% increase in velocity is pretty much a placebo effect

Just saying

[spiral badge]

..No, I'm pretty sure that's a 10% increase in velocity.

[sleek tartan]

[midnight nimbus]

with how drag scales with velocity, 10% is gud

and it's not 10% anyways

[icy sluice]

I can always feel the differnce with the 10% velocity

[midnight nimbus]

a lot of guns get more than 10%

[solid hinge]

I think the scout class is one of the weaker classes in the game.

[sleek tartan]

Perk reads 10%

[solid hinge]

why doesn't it say you get more than 10

[midnight nimbus]

10% was just an estimate

[solid hinge]

I hate these damn specs

[sleek tartan]

That's never more than 70m/s more...

[midnight nimbus]

it's not a consistent increase, it varies per gun

[solid hinge]

I want to know direct stats

[midnight nimbus]

some guns are like +100m/s

[spiral badge]

It's still 10%

[midnight nimbus]

no its not

it's never exactly 10%

[sleek tartan]

@spiral badge blocked

😂

[spiral badge]

K

[solid hinge]

it didn't seem worth it on the snipers to me

[midnight nimbus]

10% is a ballpark average across the increases for all guns

iirc all sniper rifles get >10%

[solid hinge]

usually matched with a shit perk like zeroing distance

[sleek tartan]

@midnight nimbus where do you get the info from tho

[spiral badge]

Let me put it this way

[midnight nimbus]

data browser

[solid hinge]

Playing scout is not worth it at all. I am a very decent scout but playing that class in Battlefield 5 felt unsatisfying.

[sleek tartan]

What data browser

[spiral badge]

Is the difference significant enough to argue it's not 10%

Is it like a couple m/s off, tens of m/s off..?

[faint spruce]

Whenever I call Churchill tank, I don't find it in the deploy screen, why is that?

[solid hinge]

I like being recon

Uhh

Maybe someone in your squad had taken it already?

If you don't redeploy pretty quickly it runs out fast too

[sleek tartan]

There usually isn't weapons with bullets faster than 800m/s, but some don't even get to 450

[faint spruce]

Oh, so it's not locked to the leader who is calling?

[solid hinge]

Nope

[faint spruce]

Ok

[solid hinge]

It's a squad reinforcement

[sleek tartan]

So 10% usually is basically placebo

[solid hinge]

But usually they don't take it

[midnight nimbus]

http://bfdata.juhala.io/misc/bfv_overture_05122018.html @sleek tartan

[faint spruce]

Another question

How do I differentiate between enemy flare and team flare?

[solid hinge]

Look around for friendly recons

[spiral badge]

You don't, you just shoot it down regardless

[faint spruce]

Ok, so it's basically a useless spotting gun, since you shoot down nevertheless?

[sleek tartan]

Flare radius is a joke anyway

[spiral badge]

Far better off with a scope in most cases

[solid hinge]

Flare is literally useless right now

[spiral badge]

If not all

[midnight nimbus]

it's getting a buff

[sleek tartan]

Old flare was absolutely retarded tho, don't miss it

[sullen tartan]

Yeah the fighters are able to drop a few and they barely spot shit

[solid hinge]

If you're firing it at someone you have to know they're already there

[sullen tartan]

and those flares stay up in the air a while too

[solid hinge]

Even if the current recons had infinite reloads for the flare it would still be useless

Thats how shit it is

In my opinion the whole scout class would have to be rebalanced

[midnight nimbus]

just make it as good as BF1 scout

problem solved

[warm hawk]

@solid hinge what do they need to change in ur opinion?

[solid hinge]

I like how accurate the snipers are while you move

[midnight nimbus]

move spread is stupid low in BFV

[ashen knot]

i played with the selby yesterday, its pretty good

[midnight nimbus]

even if you don't get the upgrades for it

[solid hinge]

Yeah it's like

Non-existent

[sleek tartan]

Absolutely no to bringing bf1 snipers

For me

[midnight nimbus]

even LMGs are like 0.4 max moving

[quaint pollen]

bf1 snipers - sweat spot = 👌

[solid hinge]

You can walk sideways scoped out of cover and hit exactly what you're aiming at

I would go for the Battlefield 4 system for bolt-action rifles. Below 12m it is always a one-hit. And above 12 meters the damage drops consistently until it reaches a minimum of like 75-70 damage. Also I would reduce the head hitbox in general.

[midnight nimbus]

so that's 0.275 base while strafing, assuming no upgrades

no fuck ghetto shotguns

[ashen knot]

i cant snipe in games but bf1 made it baby mode

[midnight nimbus]

close range OHK is retarded

[sleek tartan]

So shotgun snipers?

[solid hinge]

The head hitbox is already wack

[sleek tartan]

Hell not

[midnight nimbus]

make sniper rifles good at long range

sweet spot is gud

especially with low min damage

like on the Krag

[sleek tartan]

👀

[spiral badge]

No, getting one hit killed by a bodyshot is not cool

[solid hinge]

I've had people proning on almost vertical surfaces shooting at me from angles where i literally can't see their head

Actually in my opinion a sweet-spot would make more sense in Battlefield 5 than it did in Battlefield 1.

[midnight nimbus]

killing people with a body shot is cool

[sleek tartan]

Yeap, sorry but no sweetspot

We fought a lot to get rid of it

[midnight nimbus]

sweet spot encourages playing at objective ranges

[solid hinge]

the sweetspot is their brain

[midnight nimbus]

your rifle is more effective at objective ranges than at camping on hills

[spiral badge]

No, sweet spot encourages camping at whichever range is OHK

[sleek tartan]

Sweetspot is just a great way to make the snipers be a situational weapon that requires little to no skill

[solid hinge]

and your spotting is more useful at a perpendicular angle where you can see everyone behind the cover attempting to take your point

However I would still prefer the Battlefield 4 system. This would make scouts more effective at playing the objective.

[spiral badge]

That doesn't equal being on an objective

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, that range is usually the range for attacking or defending objectives

[quaint pollen]

I could see sweet spot being applied to upper torso but nothing else

[solid hinge]

recons are effectively support at the moment

[midnight nimbus]

like 40-75m SS with BF1 SMLE

[faint spruce]

Thank you

One last question

[midnight nimbus]

that's a good sweet spot for fucking up attackers

[solid hinge]

you're a spotter rather than a killer

[faint spruce]

How can I view the amount of company coins earned?

[midnight nimbus]

or conversely approaching an objective

[left tundra]

Hello there

[midnight nimbus]

sweet spot makes bolts just as scary at long range as shotguns or SMGs are up close

[solid hinge]

optionally they could also give me my Obrez from Battlefield 1 back. If it had a one-hit range up to 12 meters and to balance it only a very low rate of fire I would be pleased 😄

[midnight nimbus]

min BTK range needs to be 15m

fuck 7m drop off on secondaries in BFV

even 10m in BF1 secondaries was gay

[spiral badge]

I'm sure we'll get Obrez back when the soviets are added

[midnight nimbus]

10m 4BTK for BFV primaries is gay

[sleek tartan]

Hope not, I really don't want more idiotic sweetspot one hit weapons

[solid hinge]

the drop off on secondaries in this is painful

The scout was completely nerfed on all ends. Damage got reduced, gadgets got less effective, slower bullet speeds, lower magnifications, secondaries are less effective, etc.

[midnight nimbus]

15m aligns with where good hitrates from the hip drop off

[solid hinge]

you're very encouraged to play by corners as a recon

[ashen knot]

do you guys use melee?

i find ttk so fast melee become pointless

[spiral badge]

Yes, although far less than in BF1 because it breaks a lot more

[solid hinge]

I barely ever get a chance to use it

[midnight nimbus]

at the very least, BFV scout should have its gadgets buffed to BF1 effectiveness

[spiral badge]

Not 1-hit kill in the back when it should, getting stuck in place for a second after a kill, no bayonets on most guns and no real opportunities to use them

[midnight nimbus]

BFV - where your soldier sucks ass at everything

[solid hinge]

The chances I do get to use it usually involve me meleeing someone prone or in the back and no cutscene activating

[midnight nimbus]

everything is just clunker

[solid hinge]

And on the other hand other classes except the medic have become better at range.

Bayonet charge doesn't even work

I ran into a dude earlier and it transitioned into a normal melee hit

It also doesn't boost your speed making it practically worthless

[spiral badge]

@solid hinge Shh don't mention medic's range out loud, people will yell at you and say we don't need BF1 sniper medics

[midnight nimbus]

gud, melee in FPS is big gay

[spiral badge]

Despite not asking for them

[solid hinge]

I can't think of a situation where bayonet is better than just shooting them

[sleek tartan]

I just can't agree. Those recon gadgets were a cancer.

Basically cheats made it part of the game.

[midnight nimbus]

yeah, they were good at spotting

BF1 scout was actually really good at scouting

[solid hinge]

Bf1 recon felt like it could spot the entire map as well as getting high levels of kills

@spiral badge in my opinion Battlefield 1 had a great medic class and it was fun to play it.

[spiral badge]

Yes, it was great, arguably even OP

[solid hinge]

Bfv recon feels like it can spot fuck all and the kills aren't as high as assault or support

[midnight nimbus]

your base level of effectiveness in BFV just sucks compared to previous games

[spiral badge]

But now you're restricted to close range and even then other classes have plenty of weapons that beat your SMGs in close range

[solid hinge]

or even medic if they're on the point

[green elm]

bf1 flare👌

[spiral badge]

But then you mention it and everyone screams that medics deserve to suck because of BF1

[solid hinge]

Recon should either be really good at spotting or really good at killing

Not both and not neither

Well I would not call it op since other weapons were still better at all ranges but you were still quite versatile and competitive on all ranges 😃

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 medic - good at medicing
BF1 scout - good at scouting
BF1 support - good at support shit

only class that improved was assault

[sleek tartan]

Sometimes I wonder why people even like the franchise if they later go into critizicing everything on it

When I don't like everything in a game I simply don't play it

[solid hinge]

I want to enjoy it

[ashen knot]

ppl cant handle that it isnt perfect

[midnight nimbus]

bad games have redeeming factors

like BO3 had the P06

[solid hinge]

It's not that it isn't perfect, it's that it isn't very good

[midnight nimbus]

BFV has the Turner

I'll play bad games if there's some fun guns

[solid hinge]

and still bugridden and unbalanced yada yada etc etc

[sleek tartan]

Bf1 could have been great to me without supression

And less scissor paper rock balance

Bfv is a mess to me tbh

[midnight nimbus]

BF1 guns that weren't too RSPed are fun

[solid hinge]

bfv feels like one where suppression might actually help and they turned it into poor man's spot instead

I think class balance was better in Battlefield 1 and I am serious about that.

[sleek tartan]

but then there's details on bf1 like flares that simply outrage me

Those were just outrageously op

[rich ibex]

yeah they were

[solid hinge]

snipers might suck now but at least you can side walk out into the middle of mg42 fire and get a perfect headshot

[midnight nimbus]

not OP if every class has an OP aspect

[sleek tartan]

Nah, disagree

[ashen knot]

yes they were op but ppl ignored it cos everyone could spot

[sleek tartan]

Radar hacks are always just that

[solid hinge]

Flares were op cause there was nothing you could do to stop them

[sleek tartan]

Soem stuff is acceptable

[spiral badge]

Yeah can we have actually useful supression back

[sleek tartan]

Other can never be

[midnight nimbus]

if smoke could break spots and suppression in BF1, BF1 would be really really good

[solid hinge]

We have mmgs now and a functionally useless suppression mechanic

however if more people had used smoke they could not have been spotted that easily in Battlefield 1 😄

[midnight nimbus]

make smoke like CoD BO2 levels of good

[sleek tartan]

Supression back p

?

Please kill me

I'm out of here

[midnight nimbus]

suppression is gud

[icy sluice]

I still shoot flares out of the sky

[rich ibex]

unspotting smoke is such a woke idea, shame there's no spotting to block in BFV at all

[midnight nimbus]

you can tell snipers to fuck off

[spiral badge]

Do you just disagree with everything or..?

[solid hinge]

Smoke blocks spots really well in this

[midnight nimbus]

suppression in BF isn't thought out enough

[sleek tartan]

You guys literally stand for everything the competitive scene stood against

[icy sluice]

I disagree

[rich ibex]

well, it's good with your reworked concept, not DICE concept

[sleek tartan]

I honestly just want to ban you all

Lol

[spiral badge]

Doesn't need to be ridiculous supression from everything, just...

[solid hinge]

the competitive scene that plays 5v5 games?

[icy sluice]

I disagree with that too

[sleek tartan]

Fuck supression, fuck flares.

[spiral badge]

You know, maybe not allow snipers to aim at my head without interruption when I'm unloading into their chest with an MG42

[icy sluice]

I agree with suppression

[solid hinge]

forgive me for playing a casual game with 64 people

[spiral badge]

Battlefield

[icy sluice]

But I feel like flares should still be useful

[spiral badge]

Competitive scene

Choose one

[sleek tartan]

The competitive scene that made this game less of a casual shit

[icy sluice]

Incursions

[sleek tartan]

That scene

[solid hinge]

Yeah cause bfv really feels not casual

[sleek tartan]

With some people I'm reading this would have kill streaks as cod

And infinite suppression

[solid hinge]

Thats what reinforcements are

[sleek tartan]

One magazine attrition

And a 12 bullet to kill ttk

[solid hinge]

None of us have said that though

[sleek tartan]

And wall hacks

Like incursions

[solid hinge]

Just that it's stupid that a sniper stands in the middle of mmg fire and pops a perfect headshot

[midnight nimbus]

suppression isn't inherently casual

[solid hinge]

Thats not infinite suppression it's like.. how many people irl can stand in front of the cone of fire of a gun that has a 1000 rof and aim perfectly

Sometimes you do not even hit the head but the headbox is so big that it still counts...

[midnight nimbus]

BF Implementation is just gay

[sleek tartan]

Everytim you hit someone he gets an aim punch

[midnight nimbus]

I want CoH suppression

[sleek tartan]

That should be enough

[spiral badge]

It doesn't do anything...

[sleek tartan]

Sure...

[solid hinge]

help

me

[spiral badge]

MG42 fired into a recon's chest

[snow crater]

What will combined arms be?

[spiral badge]

He still headshots me

[solid hinge]

my emblem isnt working

@solid hinge I've hit multiple proning targets where the only visible part of their body was their head and it's been a bodyshot

[midnight nimbus]

full on CoH2 suppression that's area and time based would be woke

[spiral badge]

100% sure it's not doing anything

[midnight nimbus]

make it so you can shoot back through suppression if you're fast

[solid hinge]

does any one know how to fix my emblem

?

[midnight nimbus]

if you're retarded and continue to sit in an area of suppression, you deserve to get cucked

[sleek tartan]

No. Fuck supression. If you want to induce emotion based reactions on me, do it in real life. Not with a shitty mechanic.

[spiral badge]

emotion based

[solid hinge]

help me

@solid hinge for me it was quite strange sometimes. When I thought I should have hit the head I did not and when I did not expect to have hit the head I hit it.

[midnight nimbus]

suppression should exist as a mechanic to fuck zergs and punish bad positioning

[solid hinge]

You literally cannot walk into a hail of bullets and aim down your scope and expect not to have sway

or be alive

[spiral badge]

Because as we all know, your aim is only thrown off by your fear of the bullets and not the force and the subsequent injury caused by a bullet hitting you in the chest

[sleek tartan]

1. This is a game.
2. If you don't care about dying you can perfectly
3. Fuck supression

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge that's been the same as me! I think something is wrong with the hit detection

[compact oxide]

The be alive bit is agree with

[midnight nimbus]

you could shoot straight through BF1 suppression with SLRs which was nice

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge I would not be surprised if it was like that 😄

if you are playing on attack team you need to use suppresion

This is a vaguely realistic game and suppression is a very real thing

[sleek tartan]

@midnight nimbus supression increased spread and recoil by a factor of up to 3

And also sway

[solid hinge]

does anyone know why my emblems are not working PLS...?

[sleek tartan]

That's just una aceptable

Maybe something toned down heavily

[spiral badge]

They don't need to reimplement it exactly as it was in a previous game

[sleek tartan]

Maybe

[midnight nimbus]

suppression increased recoil and SIPS, but that doesn't affect SLRs nearly as much as other guns

[spiral badge]

They can adjust it for shit's sake

[midnight nimbus]

just pace straight through it

[solid hinge]

I wouldn't mind it being not as good, but removing it entirely sucks

[midnight nimbus]

drop your AL8 down to 300 and shoot

[sleek tartan]

@midnight nimbus forcing a rate of fire that's half of less is also a big punishmeny

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge dunno what's wrong with your emblem

[sleek tartan]

And no, at 300 you still don't hit shit

[midnight nimbus]

that's what you get for being outpositioned 🤷🏼‍♀️

[sleek tartan]

Being 450 max

[midnight nimbus]

360 to 300

[sleek tartan]

You would need less than 200

[solid hinge]

In Battlefield 1 the solution for supression was just to retrieve and look for another position.

[midnight nimbus]

that's not a huge drop

[solid hinge]

wtf is suppression

[midnight nimbus]

300 is low enough to nospread through suppression

with the AL8

[sleek tartan]

Nope

Do you have data to back it?

[midnight nimbus]

it literally just doubles your SIPS

2x SIPS, base spread and SDEC untouched

[sleek tartan]

It increased it by 2.5 not 2

And also increased recoil

[torpid wing]

Do you guys use dx12 or dx11

[sleek tartan]

And sway

[solid hinge]

dx9

[midnight nimbus]

you have increased vrec, and sway moves in a predictable double figure 8

[sleek tartan]

It's not just the sios

Sips

[solid hinge]

I would recommend using Dx11

[sleek tartan]

"predictable"

[midnight nimbus]

the sway is 100% predictable, and hrec is untouched

[solid hinge]

dx12 has lots of problems for some people

[midnight nimbus]

the sway is a fixed pattern

[solid hinge]

dx12 has problems in every game it seems

[sleek tartan]

With a variable speed

And variable size

Please did

Dude

[solid hinge]

Dx12 in most games is implemented poorly and Battlefield 5 is no exception.

[ashen knot]

dx12 is ok for me

[sleek tartan]

I can't believe someo defends bf1 supression

[solid hinge]

what is supression

[sleek tartan]

I'm outta here man I'm on the phone can't do this on the screen

[midnight nimbus]

speed and size of sway are fixed

[solid hinge]

Why does everyone insult phone posting

[midnight nimbus]

just like the pattern

[compact oxide]

If someone is spraying 1000 bullets around you and not hitting they shouldn't be rewarded

[sleek tartan]

No it is not, it increases with supression state that goes up in a percentage

[solid hinge]

@solid hinge maybe because it slower to type ?

idk

: (

[sleek tartan]

And I know you can't get facts from any other place to supresión than devs

Which indid

I did*

[solid hinge]

for people who are used to it , its fine i guess

but me

n0

keyboard

only

[amber notch]

!jumbo

[amber notch]

the king