charred heron
Tiger HEAT is a real Hulk
#battlefield-legacy-titles
solid hinge
Rockets on the stag hound ain't bad either
light coral
Killing them all with assault is fun.
desert needle
I think you're better off not playing it
ruby tangle
wtf I just listened to Battlefield Play4Free Main Music Theme for the first time
its so good
icy sluice
While trying to grasp the somehow fucked up controls on spectator, I found out you can bring the scoreboard with Enter and View together.
solid hinge
They need more reinforcements
Two of them are dodgy vehicles that rely on your squad for full effectiveness
So they're useless playing with randoms
One is an incredibly expensive rocket where half the maps have a roof or the rocket just misses
the supply drop is actually really useful cause it shows up on the map and has unlimited supplies for the minute or so it stays there
You make a lot of points if your whole team uses it
timid coyote
They should add mosin nagat
viscid cypress
They should focus on weapons that aren't all the same.
solid hinge
They should have elite troops, ss, and idk what the brits have
torn plank
sas
icy sluice
When fucking with spectator mode my game crashed because the guy died by a headshot
Great programming
unique thunder
There's also the SBS, which is the boat equivalent
unique thunder
I started the Norway one which was beautiful and very atmospheric, but couldn't do more than about the opening 5 minutes before just wanting to play MP, lol
unique thunder
BC2 was great fun
pliant geyser
even Mirrors edge was only fun for about 2 hours
BC2 was bad too
but it was DICE's least bad one
unique thunder
lol nah, tons of people enjoyed that. I remember it being genuinely shocking at the time how good everyone found it because BF always = multi
I mean, it's not God of War, but for something bolted onto a predominantly multiplayer game it was great
pliant geyser
its a waste of time imo
timid coyote
guys wdym by zeroing distance
pliant geyser
DICE should do the call of duty thing, focus completely on MP
unique thunder
the distance at which your bullet hits exactly where your crosshair is
timid coyote
can i change it?
pliant geyser
Strangely you can der but its only after you unlock it
its a specialization for rifles.
timid coyote
I unlocked it but how do i do so?
unique thunder
triangle whilst scoped
or V
or whatever it is on xbox
Call of Duty doesn't focus completely on MP though. BO4 has multi, blackout and zombies. They're basically all different games with different mechanics. Even the guns don't work the same across the modes
icy sluice
Y
unique thunder
And they still fucked up this multiplayer plenty, no more or less than Dice has with BFV
icy sluice
Mine are just fine
topaz furnace
alright
icy sluice
I completed Frail Structure, AT Infantry, Bird Hunt, and Vehicular Dominance
timid coyote
guys how will you know whether you had zero a certain distance?
sleek tartan
any ongoing drama in the bf scene to rant about?
topaz furnace
no u can go back to ur cave
devout edge
Only the usual broken assignments and Coins.
topaz furnace
mom jokes in 2018
icy sluice
The spotting scope has a range finder
sleek tartan
welp, don't take confidences with people you shouldnt 😃
sleek tartan
It's the Switzerland of mom jokes, so neutral
topaz furnace
ahah..poor child, no you came in here in hopes of getting on the new hate train, i told you there is none, so u could go back to your cave, and u replied with a mom joke, so ye, it shows that you are not very mature and can t come up with an actual funny comeback, not that there is something to comeback from that..it was a one way trip for you
sleek tartan
tl;dr
Actually you deserve a response:
What you did is make clear to everyone how* beligerant you are while answering to an obviously rethoric comment to non the less than a "DICE FRIEND" thinking you were somewhat of an SJW defending the "good" people from the "haters"
and it turns out that you just acted like an idiot and got treated with an equal attitude
now you're salty about it and wanna escalate it, but it wont happen
next.
topaz furnace
my friend, you were the one with a poor mom joke not me, now excuse me, i have way better stuff to do..
midnight nimbus
I want DICE to make an MP FPS with mirrors edge movement 😩
sleek tartan
Do you think it would integrate well into the FPS side of the game?
I did not play it, but AFAIK it had a lot of stuff devoted to movement that would make your life miserable if you were to play FPS on the same mechanics
icy sluice
What, rolling dice?
sleek tartan
actually, Mirrors Edge had some guns and it was a pain to use them (according to testimonies of people did not play myself, as I said)
solid hinge
shotgun op lmao
first game with it i did 28-5
@topaz furnace oof, looks like you dont know how to take a joke
going to have to say hormiga won that one
devout edge
Mirrors Edge with guns, wasn't that exactly what Brink was supposed to be?
sleek tartan
Shotguns are a thing I never really get to agree with people about...
its like.. they have to be good at something
otherwise why bother
solid hinge
ye
sleek tartan
Did you play only really close? I would love to know your origin or console name so i can check the game report
solid hinge
its very situational, you gotta know how to put yourself in the right situation
dodging and weaving, using small amounts of cover to close the gap, sticking to buildings etc
i did so well because i never put myself in a situation where i wouldnt come out on top
dense bone
fk that
solid hinge
it was tdm but half of the map is close quarters and half of it is long distance so id say i used my brain pretty well
sleek tartan
That's what kind of makes me mad about them. You can actually play them in such a way, that it's really hard to dodge. Yeah I know it's also hard to play like that
icy sluice
Brink is free to play
sleek tartan
That's why it's hard for me to decide on which side I want to be
icy sluice
For the 2 people interested
midnight nimbus
or any FPS with interesting movement is interesting to me
sleek tartan
I would never use shotguns to be clear I dislike not being able to kill on all ranges
midnight nimbus
I hope Titanfall 3 isn't a flop
sleek tartan
i'd rather something that has a hard time killing close but I can kill more people med/long
solid hinge
in every single game i play, with every single class i play, i play extremely aggressive
icy sluice
I hope Titanfall 3 exists
solid hinge
and its the only way i know how to play
midnight nimbus
Titanfall 3 had like CoD gunplay, medium/long ranges felt crisp
solid hinge
so shotguns are tasty
timid coyote
guys which gun has the highest velocity out of these two? lee enfiled or gewehr m95
sleek tartan
I get you, I too also go in some kind of auto mode in which i just keep pushing
but I have a dedicated medic on my back lul
midnight nimbus
BO4 has some of my favorite movement in FPS
solid hinge
sleek tartan
thanks bro ❤
Well I guess you simply know how to play with it really well and stay in the range where you can win
I haven't tried the new shotgun will test today
For now I don't think it's the new UTS or SPAS from previous BFs
those were imho really op
UTS on locker = ROFL
solid hinge
it reminds me of the 870 in bf4
and i was a god with that thing
its 3 hit at the maximum range i would ever engage someone at stock so im happy with that as i wouldnt engage at that distance unless they dont know where i am
also crouch running so you know where they are but they cant see you coming is 👌
dense bone
so are semi autos supposedly good in low ttk as well?
i see a couple of complaints about them
but hardly see them used either
solid hinge
only problem is that youve no chance of having a medic close by when playing the shotgun way i play, so i suppose thats a balancing kinda thing
solid hinge
its because semi autos can sometimes take 3 shots and they have 5 rounds with slow rpm
nah they balanced asf
lofty hearth
So..
dense bone
but i know im the above average player
lofty hearth
I recieved the Blockade Runner leggings as 1 airlift piece
And I already had them
So I basically lost 1 airlift?
midnight nimbus
I want BF1 AL8 back 😞
icy sluice
For some reason they give two blockade runners
midnight nimbus
and BF1 RSC back 😞😞
sleek tartan
I personally tend to do VERY well with the Selbtslader but I really don't think they are as easy to use as some people in the "educated" community suggest, such as marbleduck and a few other guys
lofty hearth
Oh so everyone got two
midnight nimbus
depends on how you prefer to aim
sleek tartan
The M1A1 carabine is also an offender to them
lofty hearth
I REALLY hope they fix this airlift thing
sleek tartan
or the AUTO SMLE
midnight nimbus
imo i tend to do better with semis than automatic weapons in FPS
way easier to optimize TTK
sleek tartan
But you understand the ease of use that autos provide right?
midnight nimbus
yeah ofc
sleek tartan
And the difference in fire rate...
those things to me make them balanced
they can be *potentially much better than the auto weapons
midnight nimbus
I personally don't consider ease of use much
outside of ammo management
semi auto ceiling is too good in BFV imo
dense bone
i mean, they are easy to use because their ttk is higher than other guns
midnight nimbus
BFV semis have much lower TTK than other guns
sleek tartan
Well, if you gave the assault rifles (just to use an example) the hability to do the same amount of kills increasing it's magazine size, we would have a huge issue. That's how I see it. Why? because it would be really easy.
dense bone
if you learn to control other guns you theoretically should win
sleek tartan
Semis have a lower time to kill given you hit all bullets
midnight nimbus
especially once you consider how easy it is to optimize TTK
sleek tartan
and you click at ideal firerate
but in reality, you will click much slower most of the times
and you will miss bullets (because you are a human)
midnight nimbus
ideal fire rate in BFV is max fire rate so
sleek tartan
and each missed bullet means a lot more
dense bone
other than smgs doesnt semi have same btk as most guns?
midnight nimbus
no
solid hinge
m1a1 balancing is youll run out of ammo after 2 firefights
but the pro is you killed 5 guys in those 2 firefights
sleek tartan
I find that to be true. I used the M1A1 the most in BFV, and I need to keep running over people to get their ammo
midnight nimbus
G43, 1916: 3-3
m/42: 4-4
SMLE: 3-4
M1: 4-5
G1-5: 3-5
solid hinge
god, i really do love this game
icy sluice
God I really do love
solid hinge
i havent been this immersed in a battlefield game since 4
solid hinge
i agree with that tbf
sleek tartan
I'd bring attachments back in a blink of an eye for example
midnight nimbus
🤮
solid hinge
hopefully in a few months itll be a golden battlefield game like how bf4 went
midnight nimbus
attachment balance was a nightmare
solid hinge
^
sleek tartan
Why? im very interested
midnight nimbus
attachments are best dead
dense bone
so ttk is seemingly pretty close to eachother considering rof
dense bone
but yea, if semi user has good aim its agood advantage
midnight nimbus
almost every gun in BF4 had one or two optimal loadouts, and everything else was a performance downgrade from the stock gun
solid hinge
i can either click very fast or aim very good, not inbetween.
so i prefer high rpm or high accuracy autos
sleek tartan
To my knowledge, none of the downgraded performance in all means, but they all had a positive and negative side.
midnight nimbus
like why use muzzle brake + angled in BF4?
sleek tartan
I personally liked that, and I tend to believe what you say is not true.
midnight nimbus
no, depending on the gun, attachment negatives are meaningless
sleek tartan
I understood attachments as weapon modifiers that could slightly change their nature
but not so much to completely change it
midnight nimbus
like SDEC multipliers on <770 RPM guns? doesn't matter
you effectively lose nothing
solid hinge
specialisations actually feel really good on this game
dense bone
i dont click fast enough for the m1a1, so i use the 1-5 since it comes stock with 31 round mag
sleek tartan
To that of negatives being meaningless I would agree, but I don't think this issue has been solved with the skill tree
midnight nimbus
it kinda has
solid hinge
use an autoclicker 
dense bone
nah
midnight nimbus
skill tree is still worse balance than BFV variants
solid hinge
im kidding, dont
dense bone
im always an "out of box" player
midnight nimbus
but way better than BF4
solid hinge
i faced an m1a1 user who was using an autoclicker, was cancer
sleek tartan
I honestly would even prefer variants over skill trees. Personally, I never change them at all.
sleek tartan
I find it to be more efficient to find the one that suits the weapon best
midnight nimbus
BF4 weapon balance in general was just hilariously bad
dense bone
the cheapest thing ill do is use a good weapon, but inever use weapons just based on their tier
sleek tartan
and change the weapon if it doesnt suit the map
midnight nimbus
variants were good, basically what BFV trees are but less stupid
solid hinge
i keep going to say certain weapons are op in this game but everybody has a different favourite so it must mean its decently balanced
which is nice for a bf game
sleek tartan
I generally think that BF4 balance was also bad, but probably not for the reasons that you do.
solid hinge
cough usas frag rounds
sleek tartan
I believe it was because most weapons dindt have personality
solid hinge
truuu
sleek tartan
and therefore most were meaningless
dense bone
the only things i see commonly are mg42, lewis gun, ribey, and stg
sleek tartan
But I got to appreciate the slight differences between them all
(I played BF4 2000h)
dense bone
m1a1 is probably close behind
sleek tartan
And I believe some weapons in the meta were just better
my vision for weapons is kind of complex
solid hinge
i was so much better at bf4 on console than pc lmao
midnight nimbus
BFV balance is really good as far as BFs go
sleek tartan
and its too hard to explain it all here in a brief moment
fading gyro
Been running around as medic with sten, seems like no other smg is worth using until the tommy gun is unlocked
midnight nimbus
BF1 > BFV >>>>>>>>>> BF4 > BF3 in terms of weapon balance
dense bone
bf3 was the first game i went over 2.0 kdr, and it was on consle
dense bone
went to bf4 on pc, got around 1.5-175
sleek tartan
BF1 was a paper scissor rock balance though, I generally disagree
dense bone
i was a shit shot, but a lot of people are just dumb
midnight nimbus
I liked Hardline's economy/progression system
sleek tartan
And BF4 was "two guns meta"
dense bone
ITS ROCK PAPER SCISSORS
sleek tartan
there is a balance between those two stands that I favour
midnight nimbus
BF1 has numerically very good weapon balance
solid hinge
tommy gun is just a slightly better suomi
midnight nimbus
class balance is a different story
solid hinge
sten is a laser gun
midnight nimbus
BF4 had like half a dozen guns
sleek tartan
Boys, I love to talk with you all so much good debate from time to time but gotta leave
cya around
solid hinge
i do the best at medic and recon which is odd
dense bone
adios hormi
midnight nimbus
each with a few viable attachment combos
sleek tartan
adios amigos 😄
midnight nimbus
✌️✌️✌️
solid hinge
i miss when i was hype asf at recon in bfv, i stopped using it for too long
sleek verge
Imagine if hardline had any gun balance whatsoever
solid hinge
now i cant hit flick shots anymore
midnight nimbus
BFH weapon balance was done like a PvE game lol
dense bone
i like the conversations in this chat now since ttk is back to launch
dense bone
it was incredible how angry and defensive people were about it
midnight nimbus
imo BF in general has way too many PVE elements
bc of designers not playing PvP games
as far as BFV gun balance goes, I'd just buff left tree specs a lot more
dense bone
its sad to think how many of them i havent even seen in here since the changes
its like they were solely here to cry about it
midnight nimbus
a lot of guns have really lackluster left tree specs
midnight nimbus
SMGs need more hipfire
on most non SMGs left tree is really meh
on semis, right tree is barely worthwhile at all
left tree is so strong on semis
dense bone
ive gone right for both my semis
viscid cypress
Servers are lagging like crazy
midnight nimbus
ADS accuracy upgrade for semis isn't worth it at all
right tree only worth for semis of you really like the mag upgrades offered
recoil buffer on semis is nice though
spam harder
dense bone
well i use my semi at all ranges, so ads increase is huge for me
im always taking objectives
movement speed helps with my aim and not getting hit
dense bone
the ads speed?
dense bone
which is how i only play
midnight nimbus
nah, ADS accuracy buff doesn't help you at all until >140m
midnight nimbus
and why not spam fire
opaque cipher
I notice the spread slightly for my Lewis
midnight nimbus
they're literally made to be spammed
midnight nimbus
semis have literally zero spread increase
and near zero base spread
so your accuracy is sufficient for 100% hitrate to 140m
dense bone
oh yea and it increases velocity
midnight nimbus
and you still get great hitrate past that obv
dense bone
isnt left tree like hipfire accuracy, bigger mags, and faster switching?
that.. just sounds kinda useless to me
midnight nimbus
hipfire and mag upgrades are super useful
midnight nimbus
yeah, magazine upgrades are by far the most useful for semis, aside from rapid fire
midnight nimbus
yes
solid hinge
if youre hipfiring with an slr, you arent using it right
midnight nimbus
it's more than serviceable with upgrades
you can catch a lot of people like that
opaque cipher
It does then you spamfire and three tap everyone running by
dense bone
i just catch them with my fast ads and headshots
dense bone
its more accurate...
dense bone
yes
opaque cipher
Idk, I use a 3x
solid hinge
slower for a reason
solid hinge
because hipfire is trash
midnight nimbus
at close enough range, you don't gain much utility in ADS accuracy
soft breach
Is there tanks on rotterdam conquest?
dense bone
i can plant the reticle on their head
midnight nimbus
like with hipfire upgrades, semi hipfire is good at 15m
solid hinge
@soft breach yes
dense bone
ew
midnight nimbus
<15m engagements are super common in BF
solid hinge
now if we're talking about hipfire guns
dense bone
oh yea, and im winning them with full right tree m1a1 and 1-5
opaque cipher
Try it yourself
opaque cipher
You'd be surprised
solid hinge
m1a1 hipfire is godly
opaque cipher
Reliable hipfire
dense bone
hipfire is random
solid hinge
i prefer getting the kill, thats more fun to me
which is horeshit for such an accurate gun
glossy locust
so, hear me out, if the guns are balanced (smgs buffed, self-loading rifles buffed) (ke7 nerfed) I think I would enjoy the high TTK more than currently
solid hinge
i wouldnt
glossy locust
I think they should have kept it
opaque cipher
KE7 is already balanced
dense bone
i pref high ttk
glossy locust
and balanced guns around it
solid hinge
the amount of times i left someone on 90+ hp is not ok
midnight nimbus
KE7 is fine jfc
dense bone
but do better in low ttk
opaque cipher
SLR don't need a buff
dense bone
so idc either way
midnight nimbus
BFV weapon balance is good as-is
solid hinge
simply putting the overall ttk up or down is to drastic of a change and puts everything out of whack
ke7 gives me the most single frame deaths of any gun
dense bone
snipers need a buff
midnight nimbus
SMGs could use better velocity and hipfire
dense bone
smg is weak but not terrible
opaque cipher
SMGs are only terrible because people don't understand the concept of retreat
opaque cipher
Recon can stay useless
midnight nimbus
semis need hrec and a tiny bit of spread increase
glossy locust
assault is better than recon in every way
dense bone
ive never been scared of a sniper at all in bfv
solid hinge
3D SPOTTING AND SNIPERS ARE HYPE
dense bone
thats when you know they suck
solid hinge
you guys have noooooooo idea how useful 3d spotting is
opaque cipher
lol recons can go rot in a pit
solid hinge
in this game
glossy locust
assault is better at long-range gameplay than recon because there is virtually ZERO SPREAD
opaque cipher
Don't even use smoke
glossy locust
every gun is a fucking laser beam
dense bone
its good
midnight nimbus
support can spot
dense bone
but how many people use it?
dense bone
people go support to land dope headshots, not be a team player
opaque cipher
People use recon like tanks in BF1 & V
dense bone
thats how most people play
glossy locust
prone LMG bipod users the gun is a literal laser beam and better at sniping than recon
dense bone
any class
glossy locust
100%
solid hinge
do you know how many instant headshots i get because of recon teammates?
opaque cipher
They don't push with smoke and spawn beacon
midnight nimbus
support can still spot
solid hinge
Supports spot mechanic is shit because suppression gives you a half spot anyway
opaque cipher
Bruh MGs are not better at sniping
dense bone
recon is easily the weakest class
solid hinge
May as well pick engineer
opaque cipher
In fact recons counter prone campers hard
solid hinge
Recon doesn't feel weak to me
glossy locust
recon is bad, how could you even argue it's not
solid hinge
medic is weakest you silly billy
midnight nimbus
scout SLRs could use better RDEC
dense bone
medic is not weakest
midnight nimbus
and some hrec
opaque cipher
It's good when you fire at a rock and everyone see that light up
fading gyro
Does spotting also create the lense glint?
solid hinge
although medic is balanced for me given i can go in to every firefight with 100hp
opaque cipher
And people will all focus down
midnight nimbus
medic is good for camping
opaque cipher
ZH, Selb
dense bone
assault=support>medic>>>recon
opaque cipher
Two tapping SLRs
glossy locust
i wish they had transparent stats of the playerbase at large i would assume about 8/10 players are assault
solid hinge
maybe it's different on console or something but recon is good on ps4
opaque cipher
It's a jam packed kit
solid hinge
recon on pc is awesome
midnight nimbus
prone backwards with Suomi = profit
dense bone
i play pc, never been scared of a sniper
dense bone
and commonly beat them with my semi autos
midnight nimbus
AP mines on depots = epic
solid hinge
im not scared of a sniper because of how aggressive i play
but that doesnt mean recon is useless
dense bone
didnt say useless, just said they are the worst
glossy locust
assault is the best class it has no downside
solid hinge
if a sniper is losing to an m1a1 they should really be disengaging
dense bone
and i thought that was a universal truth
solid hinge
it isnt
you can peek snipe incredibly easily in bfv
the games juuuust balanced enough that everybody has different opinions
opaque cipher
Nah, people just don't play them right
midnight nimbus
playing medic? wait until the enemy tosses grenade and just throw it back at your own teammates
dense bone
dont see how anyone can argue any other class is weaker
midnight nimbus
and pick up a good gun
opaque cipher
Jump around corner with AEK
solid hinge
accuracy is basically 100% while moving and shooting
midnight nimbus
BFV is approaching siege levels of trolling people
run over fortifications with vehicles
destroy depots
destroy friendly crates and replace them with your own
solid hinge
It's incredibly annoying when your own vehicles trash everything you just spent a couple minutes building
midnight nimbus
my favorite is honestly rebinding ping spot to spacebar
midnight nimbus
or binding it to LMB/RMB
opaque cipher
Yikes
midnight nimbus
to show off how useless the feature is
opaque cipher
I only ping if I'm a gunner
solid hinge
ping spot is that little shield that comes up for squad members right?
opaque cipher
To help tanks point their guns
icy sluice
Yes
glossy locust
sad thing is that recon would actually be fixed if they removed the scope glint
midnight nimbus
it's useful if you have someone on VOIP
opaque cipher
^
dense bone
that means its useless
glossy locust
why does recon get spotted but no other classes do?
midnight nimbus
exactly
solid hinge
half the size of scope glint
dense bone
lol depending on teammates xD
solid hinge
pls
dense bone
good luck
midnight nimbus
you pretty much never have someone on VOIP
solid hinge
its like the bf3 sun at the click of a button
glossy locust
why do people need to see snipers
opaque cipher
Buff MMG
solid hinge
spot glint is the best part of recon
icy sluice
btw, apparently you can ping while downed?
opaque cipher
Make MMG suppress like BF1
glossy locust
but you can prone camp with LMG and not be seen
opaque cipher
dense bone
buff mmg?! get out
opaque cipher
Nerf medic more
solid hinge
stopping a rush? no chance
icy sluice
I can't wait til the bipods get fixed
midnight nimbus
lmao you can throw fire nades on downed friendlies and they can't hold on for medic as long
solid hinge
Use spotting scope until you find someone to take a shot at and then kill them
Then go back to spotting
solid hinge
no
icy sluice
glossy locust
i don't care if that's a good way to play the scope glint is just not needed
icy sluice
They will
glossy locust
why is the scope glint needed explain
icy sluice
Have you seen that twitter video?
solid hinge
because visibility is bad enough
So you can identify a sniper at long range
why should a one shot class have the same invisibility
its not hard to understand
dense bone
i get its bf and what not, but it sucks they want camping to be so viable
icy sluice
You mean defending an objective?
opaque cipher
Because MMGs can't push that aggressively
solid hinge
if someone's headpoking and popping your heads at beyond 100 metres it's really hard to like.. see them
opaque cipher
You know
Defending is like
Their main purpose
Or camping push lanes to deny flanks
glossy locust
they removed spotting and you can kill someone in half a second, it's literally a campers paradise, but for recons they get spotted because they have a stupid scope glint
midnight nimbus
scout is fun only to 3D spot all the campers
opaque cipher
Nah camping is only so good
dense bone
and lets not act like people are bipodding in cheeky places just to get easy kills
opaque cipher
Because poor soldier visibility
solid hinge
if i stay still, ill go negative
midnight nimbus
backwards prone is most woke camping method
fading gyro
There’s no incentive to defend, basically no points accrual for it
opaque cipher
I lay down on the roads on Devastation? 32 guys run past me
midnight nimbus
pair it with some S-mines
opaque cipher
Nobody pays any fucking attention
I kill like 5 before they realize what's firing at them
solid hinge
most snipers go prone on the side of a hill
they should be behind cover
It's their own fault
play around the glint
glossy locust
hoenstly it was best in bfbc2 prone is bullshit
solid hinge
anyways im gonna go play some, gotta close all my apps not to lag 😂
midnight nimbus
tfw backwards prone and dead bodies basically look the same
dense bone
have fun
opaque cipher
Yeah, backwards prone is OP
glossy locust
why do we need prone
dense bone
@midnight nimbus my fav is when someone back prones IN a dead body
icy sluice
I've killed like several people trying to act like a dead body
solid hinge
people who lie down in the middle of dead bodies too
midnight nimbus
gotta waste ammo checking if people are dead
solid hinge
Yeah Nyphon
icy sluice
The gun being pointed is a dead give away
opaque cipher
I mean
solid hinge
I don't identify the gun until it starts shooting
midnight nimbus
depending on lighting, you can't really see the gun well
solid hinge
Usually
opaque cipher
I've had too many instances where people just run past me
dense bone
depends on the angle if you can tell
solid hinge
Unless they have predator camo on it
solid hinge
It's really hard to see proning people
dense bone
thats one big reason
solid hinge
It's got me killed a few times that's annoying
opaque cipher
I mean
dense bone
low ttk, poor visibility, bipods
opaque cipher
You get redirected here from reddit
icy sluice
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dense bone
low ttk isnt the only factor
midnight nimbus
first thing I'm doing when I get back to my PC on 2019 is putting on roblox graphics
solid hinge
It's the people who shoot you when you can only see their head that gets me
dense bone
just a factor
opaque cipher
It's not a factor at all
dense bone
low ttk benefits campers because its easier for them to kill fast without you reacting
solid hinge
If someone has an MMG they should be showing like.. the top half of their torso
and a big gun
not a bit of their head
midnight nimbus
mfw free BFV just to play on 1990s graphics
dense bone
if it takes a long time to kill, and you camp, prepare to get headshot while you lay down
solid hinge
mmg are fun to play as a flanking style
dense bone
it makes a difference
opaque cipher
Not really
upbeat cypress
ITS A LONG WAY TO TIPPERARY! ITS A LONG WAY TO GO! CMON SING ALONG
dense bone
yes it does
opaque cipher
Especially if you spec into 1200 RPM MG42
solid hinge
bzzzt
opaque cipher
You sneeze on people and they disappear from existence
TTK only applies to slow firing guns
dense bone
yes, but doesnt negate the fact it takes longer to kill
which means more chance for retaliation
opaque cipher
That's why M1908 rose to prominence during the high TTK changes
midnight nimbus
diminishing returns man
dense bone
its not hard
opaque cipher
Honestly though
It's just not realistic for someone to turn on an MMG already firing at you
Unless you're far enough away
dense bone
and for the record, im not saying bfvs two ttks are high vs low, 1 bullet doesnt make it high or low ttk
opaque cipher
Like 50m or so
midnight nimbus
1 bullet makes a pretty big difference
dense bone
1 being hardcore mode and 10 being halo, bfv was probably a 4/10 ttk, and with 1 bullet difference it went to 6/10 ttk
midnight nimbus
bc you aren't thinking of hitrate implications
midnight nimbus
it was compounding hard after 30m
dense bone
thats what high ttk comes down to favoring
midnight nimbus
can't outaim spread and hrec cucking you
icy sluice
I have a semi 
dense bone
went from suomi in low ttk to semi in high ttk
solid hinge
you picked the most accurate gun in the game you binch
solid hinge
because the m1a1 is that good
proven quartz
Any gun is good...as long as the player good
dense bone
m1a1 is good, but idk about THAT good
solid hinge
and if everyone in a 64 person server is using the m1a1 then it's hell
dense bone
i hardly see people complain about it
midnight nimbus
well yeah, when weapon balance is busted, and you pick the guns that are least cucked, you'll probably do better
solid hinge
I complain about it frequently
proven quartz
Only use the emp and mp40
solid hinge
I also use it a lot
dense bone
@solid hinge yes, ive seen you and maybe 2 other people complain about it
dense bone
smgs got dookied on with higher ttk
solid hinge
the m1a1 technically got hit with higher ttk too but it was less noticeable
dense bone
only thing i recommended was suomi and thompson at close range
anything else outside of that range was shit
solid hinge
cause you can just headshot people
dense bone
@solid hinge which is what i theorized
solid hinge
and cause it's accuracy maintains throughout a firefight
dense bone
and played for
solid hinge
yeah but most guns have a lotta trouble with that theory
dense bone
they do
solid hinge
the m1a1 is really easy to do it with
dense bone
and thats because they arent as accuarate
and when high ttk demands more accuracy, it goes hand in hand
first day of high ttk almost everyone i saw comment on semis said they got hit the hardest and they suck
if your aim is bad, yea thats true
solid hinge
pssh
glossy locust
they should balance the guns and then increase TTK
solid hinge
maybe the other semis got hit a little harder by it
solid hinge
m1a1 certainly didn't
dense bone
i mean it did, but it was one of the easiest guns to work with if you had decent aim
glossy locust
the community is downright wrong, they want a more skillful shooter but also want a TTK that's like fucking Insurgency
dense bone
im not even saying you needed good aim
glossy locust
you can't have it both ways
glossy locust
it's no bullshit like the TTK is not much higher than insurgency
a realistic shooter
opaque cipher
Bruh
dense bone
literally had multiple long arguments here with people saying positioning and map knowledge is a skill...
opaque cipher
Rising Storn
glossy locust
it's like all the people that played "hardcore" in older bfs complained
glossy locust
yeah and in REAL LIFE you can take about 3 ak47 bullets to body armor no problem
with the dragon armor US soldiers wear
but this is WW2
i digress
opaque cipher
Yeah, you take two rounds from a M1911 and you lie on the floor bleeding out painfully
severe wraith
In close range can you take 3
opaque cipher
If you really want that you can try Rising Storm
severe wraith
That's the real question
glossy locust
not sure there are plenty of youtubes on modern body armor
it's pretty amazing TBH
solid hinge
in real life you don't teleport to a teammate and then rush a tank with the three panzerfausts you're holding
glossy locust
well i don't want to get into this BF is not a realistic shooter, so why do we have TTK like insurgency
opaque cipher
Or just downright broken sometimes
severe wraith
It's a scientific fact
solid hinge
shit my bad
solid hinge
glossy locust
alright let's not turn this into gameplay inconsistentcy with insrugency
opaque cipher
Didn’t you know that cyborg demon women and minorities fought WWII?
severe wraith
Okay you're banned, add it to your nickname.
opaque cipher
And the white men stayed home and worked on factories
severe wraith
(Banned)
glossy locust
well that's the last thing i care about lol
opaque cipher
Battlefield is an arcade shooter with arcade shooter TTK
glossy locust
i just am unsure why the community blanket likes TTK that is similar to a "realistic" shooter like insrugency
is it the kill streaks?
opaque cipher
But people migrating from BF1 aren’t used to it
solid hinge
So
opaque cipher
The TTK in previous games except BF1 are pretty consistent
glossy locust
the guns are like lasers which only makes the low TTK more of a problem
opaque cipher
Hardline took a dip because Visceral balancing
solid hinge
Grab a sack of nuts and man the fuck up
glossy locust
the current TTK promotes a playstyle where it's better to play slow, it's better to camp
opaque cipher
BF1 it turned into a one man army farm because people didn’t die easily
opaque cipher
And the balance was kinda out the window
solid hinge
it really doesn't promote that
opaque cipher
The tanks are that way
The TTK not quite
The biggest factor is player visibility
Also damage indication
solid hinge
if my team camped then maybe they'd defend the fucking objective
It more Or less punishes morons that run out in the open when a mg42 is covering it
opaque cipher
TTK plays little to no part
glossy locust
so why not just make it identical to BF4 as we didn't seem to have any whiners back then
glossy locust
no it's not
gray glade
battle nonsense did a very nice review of the netcode issues and ttk/TTD issues today
opaque cipher
Closer to BF1 or Hardline anyways
glossy locust
it's notieably quicker and we can look on symthic for that
opaque cipher
The removal of a majority of spread plays a big part in the feeling of a fast TTK
solid hinge
gray glade
can i get mod for that?
opaque cipher
Whereas in more classic titles spread was huge and you either tapfired or die
solid hinge
lots of the guns feel very accurate in this
opaque cipher
Or just miss the side of a planet
solid hinge
despite being wwii
glossy locust
the removal of spread was a dumb decision, once again based on players crying
little fjord
@opaque cipher I think you're right
glossy locust
like the community is retarded
severe wraith
@solid hinge good job
solid hinge
see; every assault weapon
glossy locust
the spread and gunplay was fine in bf1
severe wraith
I will tell you when your ban is over.
opaque cipher
Dice should tweak the TTK value based on that
solid hinge
yes boss
opaque cipher
But a blanket change is the last thing we needed
Because it just made the game feel slower
Fine tuning was necessary, not this quick bandaid fix
gray glade
battle nonsense test showed that a part of diminishing the TTK/TTD frustrations is actually more information, giving the players more info about what happened
glossy locust
removal of spread when it exists in all the popular shooters (csgo, seige, fortnite, etx
the battlefield community does not know what it wants
little fjord
Removal of spread extends effective range... and guns deal more damage because they miss less
little fjord
And headshots are easy
opaque cipher
No need to work with negative spread
glossy locust
spread adds effective engagement distances and more skill into the game
opaque cipher
It’s why it feels blazing quick
Honestly spread in BF4 isn’t all that bad unless you play support
little fjord
It's a big part anyway
glossy locust
the battlefield community seems to always operate from this nostalgia lens like everything "used to" be better back in BF2 or BFBC2
jovial cargo
I have always felt that the barrier of entry for new players had little to do with TTK/TTD and a lot more to do with how inpenetrable the game flow is for new players. It can be really hard to figure out what is happening and what you should be doing in a Conquest game if you are a new player.
opaque cipher
I mean, I do fondly miss the time when Battlefield was about git gud
And not laser beams for everyone
little fjord
I personally think the only thing they need to do is do better at keeping new players from getting into servers with vets
solid hinge
@glossy locust things were better
little fjord
They just get farmed
solid hinge
the biggest barrier of entry is that it doesn't fucking tell you that the enemy team gets 3 tickets if you don't retreat
half my team just stay and shoot
Lmao
Morons
gives them an easy 45 ticket boost
opaque cipher
Biggest barrier for me when I learned BF games is pacing
glossy locust
BF4 had laser beams, BF1 added spread and actual optimal engagement distances for different guns (what a novel concept) and everyone complained. Now we are back to laser beams
little fjord
And maybe more tutorials.... teaching people how to use cover and how to not get flanked
opaque cipher
I was on 0.1 KD for a few weeks
dusky saffron
what
snow ermine
@glossy locust because noobs don't know that but to is essentially bf3 ttk, but everybody praises bf4 and 1 because they started playing when those games came out
solid hinge
@glossy locust what is damage falloff?
opaque cipher
BF4 didn’t have laser beams
glossy locust
damage falloff existed in bf4, yes
jovial cargo
@opaque cipher Yeah, that is mostly what I mean by "game flow" and it is something that the game doesn't even try to help you with, and it is only better in Breakthrough/Operations because there is less map
solid hinge
Bf4 was ass on release
opaque cipher
It had horrendous third shot spread and moving spread
glossy locust
but damage falloff is usually more annoying to players than spread
opaque cipher
Especially for LMGs
undone steppe
id love to have that same feeling i did when i played bf2 and bf2142 but the closest dice has gotten to recreating that is bc2
glossy locust
watch the marbleduck video on it
glossy locust
it's inconsistent when damage falloff happens
snow ermine
I meant that bf5 ttk is bf3 ttk
little fjord
Bf4 had spread @glossy locust
glossy locust
did it? i thought it was just damage falloff
opaque cipher
And almost everyone tapfired
opaque cipher
Unless they hipfire or are at extreme CQC
Random spread is more prominent in BF1
But trust me
BF4 support
glossy locust
instead of fixing the actual problem with BF1 gunplay (visual recoil) they took out spread
opaque cipher
It’s dreadful to play
glossy locust
which was a good thing
little fjord
Both... you got headshot if you stood still... but you could run and probably survive unless enemies were near
opaque cipher
BF1 had ass for balance, 9btk guns and sweetspot
little fjord
Try running in hamada when snipers are out... you get headshot at a full run
little fjord
Bfv and bf4 are different that way
glossy locust
like i'll say it again model the recoil/spread based exactly on CSGO, it's the best for a reason
opaque cipher
And Dice tried to replicate that here
And nobody was on board except people migrating from BF1
Everyone that played older titles were not on board
It was just bullet hoses everywhere
I hope you get what I’m saying
opaque cipher
You watch a video of BF3/4 from Jackfrag, Levelcap, Matimio
Everyone tapfires
In BF1 everyone goes full auto
Or nade spam
BFV is just that without spread
solid hinge
Maybe they should tweak guns individually
glossy locust
model the guns after CSGO, it's the best way to model guns. Easy to learn, hard to master
opaque cipher
Yeah lol
solid hinge
Instead of retarded blanket shit
opaque cipher
Individual tweaks to make each weapon feel at least competent
little fjord
I think bf4 had slower bullets and higher bullet drop too
solid hinge
Fg42 should be more of a lewis really
glossy locust
I think the guns would be actually fine all they need to do is implement spread
gray glade
i'd make some of the starting guns slightly worse, they come all upgraded from the start anyway right?
glossy locust
then tweak individual damage values
opaque cipher
Then accuracy perks would be meta
solid hinge
And remove ke7
fathom pebble
Fg42 belt fed when?
opaque cipher
Any gun without accuracy perks will be trash
solid hinge
@fathom pebble we did that
opaque cipher
@solid hinge bruh KE7 is nerfed into a good spot already
solid hinge
Ban any lvl 50 still using it
jovial cargo
But if I don't use KE7 I can't use half of my Deluxe Edition supply drops 😦
little fjord
😭
dense bone
im almost 50...
solid hinge
@jovial cargo don't care
dense bone
in bfv not age
opaque cipher
Think I’m 39
solid hinge
dense bone
opaque cipher
little fjord
🔪
solid hinge
Ke7 doesn't feel balanced
Medic would be useful if people were....you know
REVIVING PEOPLE
dusky saffron
I revive whenever I can
dusky saffron
but that statement goes for 80% of the community in relating to awareness
little fjord
I thought ke7 was fine after nerf
dense bone
ive actually have had a lot of medics recently run towards me from far away to revive me
solid hinge
The problem with medic revives is that medics smoke the corpse to revive instead of the enemy location
dusky saffron
^
opaque cipher
Because they were killed by it too many times
dense bone
it probably helps im constantly typing in all chat saying "fucking medics pick me up"
fathom pebble
Just give medic the semi autos from assault 
dusky saffron
deserve to get killed
opaque cipher
No
solid hinge
No
fathom pebble
Leave assault with AR's
solid hinge
a medic with an m1a1 would be unstoppable
dense bone
i would be unkillable
solid hinge
Noooo
dusky saffron
fact
opaque cipher
I’d love to see Dice do a chart
dense bone
constant health